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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast, presented by the Chargers

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I'm the host.

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Speaker 2: Is always in joining me as my guy Tyler. Tyler,

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Speaker 2: what's something. How I doing today?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good. We've got mock draft to do today.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mock draft today. As of recording this, we are

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Speaker 2: one week away from the start of the legal tampering period.

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Speaker 2: When this comes out, it will be one week from

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Speaker 2: the first day of free agency. So you know, a

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Speaker 2: lot of exciting times today. Last week we highlighted free agency.

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Speaker 2: This week we decided to do a bit of a

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Speaker 2: combine recap and we'll have, like Tyler mentioned, a quick

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Speaker 2: five round mock draft as well that we're really excited about.

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Speaker 2: So before we get started on today's show, Tyler and

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Speaker 2: I are are fans of the show, are fans of

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Speaker 2: the team. Excuse me, we are fans of the show,

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Speaker 2: but we are fans of the team just like you

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Speaker 2: guys are. The opinions that we express on the show

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Speaker 2: are not reflective of the Chargers organization themselves. At the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, we are content creators and fans

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Speaker 2: of the team, just like you guys. So we're very

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Speaker 2: grateful for this platform and hope you guys enjoy the

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Speaker 2: show today. That being said, we do have some things

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Speaker 2: from the combine that we want to touch on. So

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Speaker 2: there's a very relevant news regarding the quarterback class, or

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Speaker 2: maybe not news, maybe buzz is more and more apt there.

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Speaker 2: And then we wanted to touch on some risers and

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Speaker 2: followers from the combine. I watched most of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get to watch the stuff while I was

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Speaker 2: at work, but I watched stuff on Saturday Sunday. I

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Speaker 2: had a great time doing that. So first and foremost

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Speaker 2: is the quarterback buzz. It's very relevant for the Chargers

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Speaker 2: who are in a fantastic spot at number five with

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Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback. Hopefully you guys listen to all the

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Speaker 2: great stuff that Chris Harry and Matt money Smith put

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Speaker 2: out this week. There was a lot of trade down talk,

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Speaker 2: a lot of quarterback talk, and I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of it is kind of centered around the JJ McCarthy stuff,

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Speaker 2: Jane and Daniels, Drake, may A, Kaya Williams. It's a

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Speaker 2: fantastic quarterback class. Lots of teams need a quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 2: there was a Rich eisenclip today saying that he heard

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Speaker 2: of the combine that the Giants are done with Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 2: that they have buyer's remorse, they're ready for the next stage.

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Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos released Russell Wilson today. There was news

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Speaker 2: So the Chargers are in a fantastic spot to potentially

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Speaker 2: trade down here. Tyler and I guess we've talked a

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Speaker 2: little bit about, you know, the potential here for trading down,

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Speaker 2: but we haven't talked about a scenario where Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 2: that's a possibility as well. Diana Risini hinting this weekend

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Speaker 2: that quarterbacks could go one through four in this draft class.

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Speaker 2: But you leave Marvin Harrison Junior there on the board

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Speaker 2: for the taking for the Chargers. If that scenario unfolds,

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Speaker 2: how much are you what's your consideration or how fast

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Speaker 2: are you making that decision at five?

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Speaker 1: And who would let's say.

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Speaker 2: Hypothetically speaking, how fast are you running to the podium

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Speaker 2: for Marvin Harrison Junior is what I'm asking here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll sprint to Detroit myself. I'll do some backhandspings

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Speaker 4: You saw some handstands and carwheels before I'll throw in

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Speaker 4: a front tuck, you know, a back tuck, whatever is needed.

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Speaker 4: If that pick goes in, if he's there, that is

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Speaker 4: the selection, And that would be the most unifying thing since, oh,

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Speaker 4: just a month ago when.

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Speaker 3: The Chargers hired Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 4: I just think it would be the perfect storm of

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Speaker 4: bit of luck. I do not buy that it's going

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Speaker 4: and a chance is all we need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, there's a chance.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's a lot of discussion right

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Speaker 2: been very centered around Thelak Neighbors and Roma Donsley, who

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Speaker 2: Is the best player in this draft class. And I

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Speaker 1: Is the best wide receiver prospect I have studied.

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Speaker 2: So if the Chargers were able to land him, if

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Speaker 2: the scenario happens where the quarterbacks go one through four,

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Speaker 2: I would be so thrilled to land Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 2: best wide receiver I've ever studied. I'm sprinting to that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to have the shot at a player

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Speaker 3: With all those guys.

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Speaker 4: And just the idea the Chargers are so close to

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Speaker 3: That fourth pick is going to be the longest ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: Of my life.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals potentially trading out of that pick, because I

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Speaker 2: That being said, they could have taken will Anderson last year,

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Speaker 2: completely impossible, although Marvin Harrison Junior is a much better

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Cardinals are not a player away.

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Speaker 3: You're not picking this early. And also you're a player away.

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Speaker 4: So I think they could definitely see and then the

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Speaker 4: best option for them. The kind of bummers like who

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a defensive player. So unfortunately kind

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Speaker 4: So it's tough if because if they needed to tackle

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Speaker 4: it's a much more likely situation. But because they don't

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if they're gonna trade

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have like eleven picks already. It's not

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Speaker 2: if they don't see any difference between Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 2: But to me, it's like you're you're in that position,

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Speaker 2: like you're you're trying to maximize Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: I think you take Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 2: It's the same argument for me, like if Marvin and

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Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is on the board, I'm taking that player

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Speaker 2: because you're trying to maximize Justin Herbert. You're trying to

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Speaker 2: So we'll see man. But it's it's it's very exciting

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Speaker 2: to to hear this kind of quarterback buzz. I love

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Speaker 2: all of the rumors. I love all of the j. J.

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Speaker 2: gonna lie. We made fun of him for that JJ

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Speaker 2: the league feels the same way. They love this guy,

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Speaker 2: so I'm excited. I think it's great news for the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: They either land Marvin Harrison Junior or they can trade back,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's where I'm at with pick number

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Speaker 2: trade back. If he's there, you take him. And that's

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Speaker 2: Those are the two scenarios for me that are working

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, we'll see what happens to me. Dour mock drops, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2: Let's touch on some combine risers here quickly, Tyler, if

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Speaker 2: you had to pick one guy who like maybe moved

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Speaker 2: go back and rewatch this guy, who is that player

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Speaker 4: It's a player who put his name on my radar.

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Speaker 4: And that was THEO Johnson, the tight end for Penn State.

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Speaker 4: Because all the discussion about this tight end classes, it's

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Speaker 3: It is not last year's class. It has not even

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Speaker 3: closed the last year's class.

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Speaker 4: It's it genuinely seems like Brock Bowers and everybody else.

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Speaker 4: THEO Johnson said, hold on for one moment. Now Bowers

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Speaker 4: is tight end one like that is very much clearly

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Speaker 4: still going to be the case. But you're looking for

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Speaker 4: other guys in round two, round three, round four who

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Speaker 4: can jump up and be that tight end you can develop.

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Speaker 4: And THEO Johnson, how many times have we seen a

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Speaker 4: tight end test well? But they're really just a receiver

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Speaker 4: not actually a great prospect and they definitely cannot block.

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Speaker 3: So I expected to go into this and watch the tight.

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Speaker 4: End from Old Dominion last year where you think, okay,

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Speaker 4: the ris is great, you should draft this player, but

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Speaker 4: you watch the film and it's not a perfectly well

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Speaker 4: rounded player. THEO Johnson man, he is an actual true

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Speaker 4: tight end he can be an inline blocking tight end.

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Speaker 4: Don't think he's just a sit there only blocking tight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the tight ends tested on Friday, and so Saturday

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Speaker 1: So he's the tight end that I think the Chargers

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Speaker 3: I would agree, do you have him as tight end? Two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, all right for you? Who is

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Speaker 2: So for me, he's he's somebody that when like I thought,

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Speaker 1: I think he would be a fantastic fit for the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the theme of the best testers at

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Speaker 3: I guess that was the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: You were really good. I didn't watch you. Peer Saw

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Speaker 4: Didn't get to him. That's how good This wide receiver

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Speaker 3: Pierceall's a the guy out that'll duck have to go watch.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to the two Xavier Xavier Worthy and Xavier

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Speaker 3: I'm Worthy. I think you're a winner.

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Speaker 4: If you're the fastest forty in NFL history at the Combine,

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 4: You know, people might like add An I Mitchell his

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Speaker 4: I do really like. He's currently my wide receiver six

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Speaker 4: Like just all the good things there. So those two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's totally fair, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: So it's it's really hard for me.

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Speaker 2: Like the combine, I think if you're moving players up

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Speaker 4: This year, Yeah, I feel like maybe his last year

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Speaker 3: This year.

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Speaker 4: You want a guy who's six ' eight, he's there.

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Speaker 3: You want a guy who.

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Speaker 4: Just you can throw it down the field to and

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Speaker 4: There's eighteen of those guys. I mean, whatever you need

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Speaker 4: in this draft, they're all there. It's it's an incredible class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: A class that I think has become perpetually underrated at

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Speaker 2: I saw a good athlete. I saw somebody who was

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Speaker 1: I think his I.

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Speaker 1: But I was a little concern that Max Melton was

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Speaker 2: But he's got good size. He tested very very well

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Speaker 4: What did I tell you, guys, if you tested well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're you're trying to look for a

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He got hurt at the combine, obviously, Hope everything's okay.

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Speaker 2: And there are other cornerbacks in the league who are

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Speaker 2: as the CV one. I didn't see anything this weekend

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00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: that made me question otherwise. And then he crushed the

436
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: interview circuit as well in terms of the media. You know,

437
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: obviously we don't know about how he did for the

438
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 2: team interviews, you know, behind closed doors. Based off of

439
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 2: what I saw on TV, on on cameras, I would

440
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 2: imagine he did very, very well in those interviews. So

441
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 2: I think he just checks the most boxes. Maybe he's

442
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,719
Speaker 2: not a perfect prospect, and I can understand why some

443
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: people disagree with me who call him a blue chip player,

444
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: but he's CB one unquestioned. For me, I think there's

445
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 2: a pretty significant gap between him and the rest of

446
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: the corner class.

447
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 3: I think I would agree.

448
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch these guys one more time, that particular

449
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 4: trio at the top, I'll watch them one more time

450
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 4: just to make sure. Even if he is slower than

451
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 4: the other two corners, Hey, when you're throwing the football,

452
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 4: when the opposing team is throwing the football, maybe.

453
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: You want to be faster. You do want to be faster.

454
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 4: The other opposing team can also run the football or

455
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 4: throw a screen or a shallow crosser and make you

456
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 4: go tackle. And that's where Arnold is significantly better. So

457
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 4: you know, maybe he doesn't run a four to three

458
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 4: or he doesn't run a four to three. I don't

459
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 4: think it hindered him as much. And it's not like

460
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 4: the Chargers are unfamiliar or charges fan should be unfamiliar

461
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 4: with a corner who doesn't run a four to three.

462
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: I mean, Casey Hayward is the best corner the Chargers

463
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 4: I've had in a while. I think he ran like

464
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 4: a four to six. So different zone corner, so very different,

465
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 4: I guess. But you don't necessarily need to be running

466
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 4: that fast to be great. It helps with the tiebreaker,

467
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 4: I think. But Arnold just has a little bit more

468
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 4: ahead of those guys because he can play the run

469
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 4: much better than those guys.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. Was he your other winner.

471
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: He was one of them.

472
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: I could have mentioned him, but mostly for the interview stuff,

473
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 4: because if you're going to just look at the testing

474
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 4: and that's all you're taking away from there, you're not

475
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 4: really doing the combine. Right to me, the interview is

476
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 4: the meeting in person, the temperament, the character of those

477
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: individuals that matters a lot. So guys like him, guys

478
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: like Jack Powers Johnson apparently crushing the interviews that meant

479
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: a lot.

480
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: So in a different kind of way, those are winners

481
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 3: as well.

482
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree there that those were the main ones

483
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 2: that I wanted to highlight. Did you want to highlight

484
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: anybody else?

485
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 4: I could go for a while. I mean Florida State,

486
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 4: it's Bradon Fisk. I liked him, second round grade on him.

487
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: Not the biggest guy, but a great tester. Jalen Wright,

488
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: I think one of the most underrated running backs in

489
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 4: the class from Tennessee. First and yards per attempt, first

490
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 4: st yards after contact per attempt, third and break breakaway rate,

491
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: and he's like in the hundreds of a lot of

492
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 4: consensus boards. And yet he goes out and runs a

493
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 4: four to three eight. So I just think you pay

494
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: attention to those guys.

495
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: Who else?

496
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: I think Joe Alt kind of because he tested very well.

497
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 4: He finished testing and I think he solidified himself as

498
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 4: maybe OT one in this class. So a lot of

499
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 4: winners could go on. Forevery on this one, but I'll leave.

500
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: It sounds good. Grenda from Louisvio the running back as well.

501
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: I have not watched him, but him and Jalen Wright

502
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: man like athleticism.

503
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: Is very real there.

504
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: In terms of the opposite direction here. In terms of

505
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 2: the followers, unfortunately, you do have to start with Bucky Irving,

506
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: who entered the week as my RB one. Just from

507
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: a film standpoint, I love Bucky Irving. The analytical profile

508
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: is fantastic as well, in terms of miss tackles, force,

509
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: in terms of yards after contact per attempt.

510
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: There's so much to like there.

511
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: But he's like twenty second percentile in a lot of

512
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: categories in terms of athletic traits, and that's just it's

513
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: a tough I don't think you should fall off of

514
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: a player.

515
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 1: That drastically based off of what film tells you.

516
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like this is

517
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: becoming a position that is really reliant on explosive traits

518
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 2: as a way to raise a player's floor. Film can

519
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: do that as well. But you know, you're looking at

520
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: these guys who we just mentioned two of them, and

521
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: then Trey Benson goes out and runs a four to

522
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: three nine, and Jonathan Brooks to me also has great films,

523
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: So I'm not a huge Blake Korm guy. But Blake

524
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Korm tested very well, and so it's like there were

525
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: a lot of running backs who did extremely well at

526
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: the combine and then Bucky Bucky Ieren unfortunately did the opposite.

527
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: So he is no longer the RB one on my sheet.

528
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it was that bad of a testing weekend for him.

529
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: So it's it's unfortunate because I love the film, I

530
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: love the prospect, but you know, this is a position

531
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: where you're trying to bet on those athletic traits weighing out,

532
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: and you're trying to match athletic traits and film as well,

533
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: and so you match a guy like Trey Benson. Film

534
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: testing was great, Jalen Wright. Film testing is great. So

535
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: unfortunately I think I do think Bucky Aering has to

536
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: drop a few spots for me.

537
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: Couldn't believe it when I saw that that was the testing.

538
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: I could not believe that it was his testing. And frankly,

539
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 4: watching the film, you know, games, b GPS, all those

540
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: things do matter more. But boy, I didn't expect twenty

541
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: second percent stile out of Bucky Irving, Like, you rarely

542
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 4: get to be that good in college and that good

543
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 4: in per play stats and then also be I'm not

544
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 4: that bad. We don't really know. Maybe there's an injury,

545
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 4: who knows, but usually you're like, what happened that? That

546
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 4: was such a surprise. I didn't expect that. That was

547
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 4: the biggest surprise by far. I think if we had

548
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 4: talked about one single player today, I think we both

549
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 4: would have said Bucky Irving in terms of stock down,

550
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: that was unfortunate. Another organ player, Troy Franklin, is another

551
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: player I'll bring up. It didn't test poorly by any means.

552
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: I did not watch the combine live and I watched

553
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: on TV, but based on reports, he fell four separate

554
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: times during positional drills and had problem pulling in the

555
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: football and catching the football during various drills. And that's

556
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: just it's not great obviously when that happens, but it's

557
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: really not great when we just talked about how many

558
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: good receivers there.

559
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: Are in this class.

560
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 4: If someone like the gat moves up, and Worthy moves out,

561
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: and Mitchell moves up and all these guys, Piresol moves up.

562
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 4: If you're out there and you are struggling to do

563
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 4: these drills, you're going to move down. And unfortunately this

564
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: is you know Franklin. He's bottom third in this class

565
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: in contested catch rate, in drop rate. So if you

566
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: go out there and you're struggling to move, keep your

567
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: footing and catch the football, that is a very, very

568
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: tough sell. So that's going to move him down.

569
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: I think.

570
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

571
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's like the same kind of story as Bucky Iring,

572
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: Like it's you know, it's a guy who the film

573
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: it looks really good. You know, he's running past people

574
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: and it's not just like I know people out there

575
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: will say he's like, oh, he played in the Pact. Well,

576
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: the Pact was really good this year, But Troy Franklin

577
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: was running past everybody, and I think he does have

578
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: that top speed, but I think you see kind of

579
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: the athletic difference between him and a guy like Keon Coleman.

580
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman was hitting like over twenty miles per hour

581
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: on the gauntlet drills, and Troy Franklin was consistently around

582
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: like the seventeen eighteen mark, which is still very fast,

583
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have like that instant short area quickness

584
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: and speed and explosiveness that I think people are again

585
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: trying to break ties here. That's something that really matters.

586
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, anybody else for you stock down in particular, Yeah,

587
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: stock down.

588
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: I think Braylan Trice, unfortunately, you know, this edge Rusher

589
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: group does kind of lack in that second tier, and

590
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: I was hoping that Braylan Trice, who reportedly tested very

591
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: well at the Washington Pro Day in the spring, just

592
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: did not have that same kind of explosiveness that I

593
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: was hoping for.

594
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: Again, the film is really really good.

595
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot to work with there

596
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: in terms of his motor his character. He also was

597
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: another one who kind of stumbled a couple of times.

598
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: He was slow, he like missed, he did the drills

599
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: wrong a couple of times as well, had to restart.

600
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: So it was just an unfortunate weekend for him. And

601
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: I think these athletic traits in the second round, third round,

602
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: guys you're looking for guys who can you can really

603
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: bet on that upside, and unfortunately Brandon Trice just tested

604
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: very poorly. Maybe that changes out the Pro Day, but

605
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: right now I think stockdown for Brandon Trice is fair.

606
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go through another defender that's kool Aid McKinstry

607
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: at the corner from Alabama. There has to be a

608
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 4: whole study on his fall from grace from the last

609
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: year to this one, and this heat they discovered a

610
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 4: Jones fracture and that's not going to impact his twenty

611
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: twenty four season. It sounds like he's going to go

612
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: through his pro day and he's going to you know,

613
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: work through it, play through it, whatever, and then have

614
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: the procedure this summer and then it shouldn't impact his

615
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 4: rookie season. But it's just another thing. And for a

616
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: guy who's been struggling to hold on to even CB

617
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: two or CEB three for that to happen, that's just

618
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: going to move him further and further down. So he

619
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 4: wasn't able to test at all. That's very unfortunate.

620
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: So nothing major.

621
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: He's never missed a game at Alabama. This is not

622
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: an injury prone player, so I think he's still going

623
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: in the first round. But it's just another thing for

624
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 4: a guy who keeps falling down draft boards.

625
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's totally fair characterization for him. Again,

626
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: hopefully the prote goes really well, but there are athletic

627
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: concerns there too, and so I think even more so

628
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: than a Tarryan Arnold type. So you're trying to check

629
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: all these boxes I keep saying, and unfortunately Cooling Makonstry

630
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: just has not had the off season I think everybody

631
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: was hoping for there.

632
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: All.

633
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: Right, Like I mentioned earlier, we are going to do

634
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: a quick five round mock draft.

635
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: Five rounds kind of our sweet spot.

636
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: Appreciate and respect anybody who feels like they can do

637
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: seven rounds. Respectfully, we like to talk about players that

638
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: we actually have watched and studied, and so we get

639
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: to seven rounds and we're kind of like, that's the

640
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: name I recognized, let's take that guy. We're not gonna

641
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: do that today. We're gonna do five rounds. We are

642
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: going to consider and weigh the trade down options. That

643
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: doesn't exclusively.

644
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Mean first round.

645
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: Maybe we do a stick and pick at five scenario

646
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: trade down in the second n Like I've talked about before,

647
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: I do expect Joe Ortiz to play the board on

648
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: draft weekend and we'll kind of see what happens there.

649
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: So again, five round mock draft on Pro Football Focus,

650
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: and we'll jump through some scenarios here.

651
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully don't trade down too many times because I'm

652
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: not doing that much math man.

653
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: No, we'll do if we do a trade down, it

654
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: will be one time. We're not gonna get crazy with that.

655
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: I think. Again, you can run.

656
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: You can go crazy on the PFF simulary to trade

657
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: down seventeen times if you really wanted to. I think

658
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: that's a little unrealistic. So what we'll do if we

659
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: do a trade down will be either at five or.

660
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: At thirty seven. What kind of waste scenarios there?

661
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good. Here we go.

662
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: Start the draft, all right, So this is this is

663
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: definitely a trade doown scenario for me. You have Kayla Williams,

664
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: Drake Maga one and two. Marvin Harrison goes three league

665
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: neighbors at four. This is a scenario that I do

666
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: think is possible because I just think these wide receivers

667
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: are that good. So on the Pro Football Focus is simulation.

668
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: We have twenty three teams interested in trading for this

669
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: pick right now. This to me, if this scenarion folds,

670
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 2: is a no brainer trade down. So let's look at

671
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: some of these teams that might be interested.

672
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: Here basically, everyone, but I am certainly more looking into

673
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons the Minnesota Vikings here.

674
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Falcons very potentially interested in Kirk Cousins or Baker Mayfield.

675
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: So I think in a quarterback scenario, I think you're

676
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: I would trend towards the Minnesota Vikings because I think

677
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: the if you trade down to the Vikings you can

678
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: get a future first round pick due to the quarterback tacks.

679
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, the quarterback tacks helps so much here. And frankly

680
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: Daniel's being available here. I don't think he'll be available,

681
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: but if he is, that helps so much. That makes

682
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: that pick way more valuable for the Chargers. That's a

683
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: whole bidding war.

684
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: At that point.

685
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: He seems to be the consensus QB three. So yeah,

686
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 4: in terms of what the Chargers would get, so they

687
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: give up the fifth overall pick. Obviously, Unfortunately, the Vikings

688
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: don't have a third round pick this year or another

689
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: second round pick, so you're definitely getting their first and

690
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 4: second this year. I think you're aiming for something next year.

691
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: Now in terms of the value of the selections, technically

692
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: five for eleven and forty two is about even. I

693
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: actually think the Chargers have to send a pick if

694
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: we're just looking at pure draft pick value, but because

695
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: of the quarterback tax and the luxury of having to

696
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: trade up for a quarterback, the Vikings will have to

697
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: give up more. When the Bills traded up with the

698
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: Bucks for Josh Allen, they swapped first round picks, obviously,

699
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 4: and then the Bucks got two first round picks in

700
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 4: that draft as well as obviously the pick they traded

701
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: back for. So I think for the Vikings here it

702
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: doesn't matter for our simulations, just a twenty twenty four simulation,

703
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: but the Chargers should either get around one pick next year,

704
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: two pick next year either way. But I'm with you.

705
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: I'm on board for trading down at this point. I

706
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: think if neighbors were there, we'd have a bit more

707
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: of an argument here. I love brock Bowers, of course,

708
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: but the team is not one pick away. I'm all

709
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: for trading down and seeing what happens here at eleven.

710
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: So is this okay with I feel like eleven and

711
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: forty two for five there will be a future first

712
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: or second. It doesn't matter. I'll say future first. It

713
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 4: doesn't matter for this year, but hey, I'll take it

714
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: if that. If that, that's then the equivalent of Jackson

715
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: powers Johnson next year or whatever, some mid round pick.

716
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm all for it. So this work.

717
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's totally fine.

718
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: I will force the trade. I got it right.

719
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: There's definitely some things you could like throw in there

720
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: to make things work different than if the Vikings are

721
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: playing hardball.

722
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: A little bit.

723
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, that to me is kind of like the

724
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: starting point. Second this year, first round next year, and

725
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: then we can get rolling.

726
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Cool.

727
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Let's resume this draft.

728
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: Alrighty, so Fuago, Wiggins, Bowers, Odoonsay.

729
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: I'll go Makiza Kuberater Cooper. Hey man, you guys do

730
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: whatever you'd want. Not my business.

731
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 4: So at this point, I think a lot of charges

732
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: fans are on the same page.

733
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: It's corner or tackle.

734
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: To me, I think Trey Pipkins will be better in

735
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 4: this system, with this coaching with Ben Herbert, Greg Roman

736
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: and Jim Harbaugh, you name it.

737
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: They literally do not have.

738
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: Enough corners to field a true defense out here. And yeah,

739
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 4: of course offense would be great, But to me, this

740
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 4: is corner, and I think we've made our intentions clear

741
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: on which one so far.

742
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a really hard time picturing Oulu for

743
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: Shanu or Fashion new excuse me is what I learned.

744
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: It's pronounced this week, but I have a hard time

745
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: believing him he's on the board here. If he is,

746
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: I think you can have a legitimate debate between Fashion

747
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: and Tarry Arnold. But for me, I just think Tarryon

748
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: Arnold is the better prospect. Like you, I also agree

749
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: that Trey Pipkins is slated for an improvement in twenty

750
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: twenty four. So I'm on board obviously with Terry Arnold

751
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: being the pick here at eleven.

752
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem for me.

753
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 4: Okay, Terry on Arnold, that's pretty easy for me. We'll

754
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 4: see what happens in round two.

755
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: So now, obviously the Chargers have thirty seven and forty

756
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: four forty two, all right, so this should be fun.

757
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: Zach Fraser just went at thirty five. That's that's an

758
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: unfortunate one. Obviously Charges need a center court Lindsay likely

759
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: to retire. There's JJ McCarthy at thirty four, so maybe

760
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: PFF needs to update their simulator rankings here a bit.

761
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: Well, he was he was the first quarterback taking just

762
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 4: in the second round, so I think gym specified.

763
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: See this is this is kind of the reason why

764
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm potentially on board with waiting at receiver or offensive tackle,

765
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: because I really believe in the depth of this class.

766
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: You like Jordan Morgan a lot at tackle, I believe

767
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly.

768
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: No, but I appreciate you ahead.

769
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought we talked about him. I like him

770
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: a lot at guard. For what it's worth, I think

771
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: he'll be a fantastic guard prospect. So you could maybe

772
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: kind of just take a versatile offensive lineman there. The

773
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver board here is completely stacked still with Keon Coleman,

774
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson's. They were worthy. Ricky Piersall, who I just

775
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: talked about. Where are you leaning here at thirty seven

776
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: after taking a corner around eleven?

777
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: Yes, if you go defense first, you got to take

778
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: an offensive playmaker here, and for me, with Titan not

779
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: being my favorite, here, you go wide receiver. I have

780
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: not watched Roman Wilson, so you'd have to tell me

781
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: how you feel about him. There were some rumblings about

782
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: him being one of the fastest guys at the combine.

783
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 4: Wasn't a slow forty by any means, but I believe

784
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: it was like a four to four, So not the

785
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: four to three to one somewhere projecting Pierce all, I'll

786
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: have to take your word for it there, but poke

787
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: Worthy obviously Xavier to get I really like great options there.

788
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: It just really depends on what kind of receiver you want.

789
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman is the highest ranked on the board. Not

790
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: a particular favorite of mine in my opinion.

791
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I would debate here.

792
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: Let me pull my grades just to be sure. I have.

793
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Actually the highest graded receiver on the board for me

794
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: right now is Jalen Polk from Washington.

795
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: Me too.

796
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: I believe he would be a perfect fit for what

797
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: the receiver room would look would look like, but I

798
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: also understand I'm maybe a little higher on him than

799
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: some other people. So I would be debating between Jayen

800
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: and Polk or Roman Wilson here personally.

801
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Okay.

802
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: I could also understand Zavi Worthy, the current fastest man

803
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: in Combin history. That headgeresher room also could be mighty

804
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: enticing there. But we're going offense, so I'm okay with

805
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: with Wilson. I'm okay with Jayen Polk or is ever Worthy.

806
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: Let's go with Polk.

807
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: We both like the next highest graded wide receiver and

808
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: we both actually watched him.

809
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: So there we go. The ven diagram aligns. Where's Polk

810
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: that I lose him? There? He is? Yeah, Polk for

811
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: me wonderful.

812
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: I really like Kyrie Jackson the corner and Polk just

813
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: to be able to get on top of a six

814
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: four corner with a lot of speed and score touchdown

815
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 4: like you did in that game.

816
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: I think Polk is is awesome.

817
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 4: I think it's unfair that the that Washington had him

818
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 4: and o'duonsay, So Polk school with me here. Frankly, we

819
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 4: could take Worthy in five picks too if we wanted to.

820
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: Polk is my favorite receiver remaining, So I'll go with

821
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 4: Polk here.

822
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, for those who might be questioning this,

823
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: Steve Smith actually has jam Polk greated higher than Romo Dunsay.

824
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: If you really need a different opinion there, you can

825
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: go Steve Smith with that, I think because I think

826
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: I think Steve Smith likes guys who remind him of him,

827
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: and so Jayden Polk has that kind of toughness that

828
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: Steve Smith played with, and so I think that's that's

829
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: probably why. But I think there's a lot of natural

830
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: transition again from Odunsea or from Mike Williams to Oduonzay,

831
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: And same thing with Jenalleen Pole. Jayleen Polk's an outstanding

832
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: contested catch player. He's an outstanding, you know, intermediate kind

833
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: of player. You can play the AXCI, you can play

834
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: the why Z. So there's there's a lot to like

835
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: there where Jalen Polk. And you know, if you're a

836
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: little lower on him than us, I think I understand why. Again,

837
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: this wide receiver is so stacked. It's just kind of

838
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: personal preference there. And obviously, yeah, I would agree.

839
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: I think if the Charger didn't take Quentin Johnson last year,

840
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: I'd be more convinced to take.

841
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: Someone like Worthy in the second round.

842
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 4: But I think with two potential down the field guys

843
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 4: Quentin Johnson coming out, obviously the question mark was hands Worthy.

844
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: That is the question mark for Xavior Worthy is the

845
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 4: hands contested catch drop right, et cetera. So I don't

846
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: know if you want to go to there so Worthy

847
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: in a in just a vacuum, it's like, okay, justin

848
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 4: Herbert throwing to the fastest guy at the combine sounds fantastic,

849
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 4: But I don't know if you want to invest in

850
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: hands that are as questionable. But again, if you trade back,

851
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: do whatever you want. You could take him just for fun.

852
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so right now, obviously we have the corner,

853
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: we have the wide receiver. In this instance, I would

854
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: prefer a front seven defender. I'm not super picky about

855
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: edge dt. I probably wouldn't take a linebacker, but I

856
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: could hear you out there, so I would prefer a

857
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: defensive line pick here.

858
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: That's what I So, if Fraser we're here, we take

859
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: him as the center. I think now we're gonna have

860
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: to wait till the third round to find the next center,

861
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: or maybe the Chargers to sign one. So I think

862
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: an edge rusher or the interior guys here would be great.

863
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: I would be very tempted for Saint ras still as well,

864
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: but we did take our corners.

865
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if we want to do it twice

866
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: all we could in the third round.

867
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 4: So to me, I'm looking at defensive tackle, I'm looking

868
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 4: at edge, and I'm feeling good about either. You really

869
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: like Darius Robinson and he is. I've watched him just briefly.

870
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: He told me to watch him, so I got all

871
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 4: of like one and a half games in the dude's

872
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: got power for days. And in a world where we've

873
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: watched more of Khalil Mack than I anticipated doing as

874
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: a non Raiders fan, of course, and then suddenly backs

875
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 4: on the Chargers. That power stuff. Man, when you have

876
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: that extra thing that you can do is wonderful. I

877
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 4: think the same goes for Tully too. Honestly, when they

878
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 4: drafted him, I thought the one thing that he would

879
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: have walking into the NFL was power and playing the run,

880
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: and so.

881
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: Look, he turned out pretty good.

882
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: So the only hold up here is this is pre

883
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: free agency and we don't know what's happening at edge.

884
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: So would you invest a second round pick in what

885
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: is currently your fourth edge rusher or would you go

886
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: more defensive tackle with, say like a Chris Jenkins. I

887
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: don't know if briden Fisk fits their type. Jenkins obviously does,

888
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: or maybe someone like Rouke. So post free agency, I

889
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: believe edge would maybe be more likely. But it's tough

890
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 4: right now because we're projecting quite a bit. Whereas a

891
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: defensive tackle they don't have enough guys, And then linebacker

892
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

893
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: I'm not investing in linebacker just yet.

894
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: No linebacker I think I saw Eddrian Cooper. I know

895
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Junior Carlston on the board. Forty two is too early

896
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: for me for a linebacker, even with the Chargers need there.

897
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: Darius Robinson would be my edge choice. I would be

898
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: okay with it right now. The Chargers don't really have

899
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: into your defensive line death that they need. They could

900
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: certainly invest in that. I I think, for sake of

901
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: where the Chargers are at right now, I wouldn't be

902
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: opposed to Chris Jenkins here either.

903
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah hmm.

904
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: I although he did not test like the mutant of

905
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: all mutants, he tested very very like.

906
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: One of the be tier mutants. No, I'm kidding, he did.

907
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: He's very good.

908
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

909
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 4: I think, look, we'll do another mock draft. I think

910
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: post free agency we can go edge. I think right now,

911
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: because the Chargers have the roster of the way they

912
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: have it, I kind of think we have to go

913
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: defensive tackle in Chris Jenkins here. Yeah, I attend, So

914
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: let's take free free agency. I think you have to

915
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: go with the tackle here. I do like other ones

916
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: later on.

917
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: All right, So, as of this current moment, we have

918
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: Terry Arnold, Jalen Polk, and Chris Jenkins on the chargers roster.

919
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: What's your Is this a linebacker territory? Is this running

920
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: back territory?

921
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

922
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: Running back I think can wait on this particular board,

923
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: and on the consensus board you can still wait for

924
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: the guys like right, like Benson. I still don't know why,

925
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 4: but hey, if you're going to play the board that way,

926
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 4: that's why I'll play the board.

927
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Man.

928
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 4: This wide receiver broader is still really good, as are

929
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 4: some of the centers. So obviously this is the point

930
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: where you have to start considering center. I think if

931
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: you don't have or if you take someone and you've

932
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: drafted someone or you signed someone, I think you just

933
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: start considering a center here, whether it's Van Prant or

934
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: Mason McCormick, who tested very well calls protections from guard

935
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: at South Dakota State, which I did not realize, And yeah,

936
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 4: Alex cats and discussed that within the chat with us,

937
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 4: and that was pretty cool. Practice center practice center at

938
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: the Shrine Bowl, so good stuff there. So you could

939
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: go center here. Otherwise I think you kind of just

940
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 4: b p a at this point.

941
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that would probably be Rouke, but we

942
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: just took Chris Jenkins. Although you really like.

943
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like Brandon Dorless too, but again, we

944
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: just took Chris right.

945
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so I'm not entirely opposed. I don't think

946
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: we can take two d tackles and survive the comment.

947
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: Section, but I do.

948
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 4: I do understand the allure of maybe more of a

949
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: run specific guy and then more of a past rusher

950
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: in Doorless, so I wouldn't mind him. Can we look

951
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 4: at I prefer Michael Hall, the doorless Bucky Irving.

952
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I would as well. I would as well. I

953
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: didn't realize he was so far down.

954
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: I would be okay, oh my gosh.

955
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: This is maybe THEO Johnson territory too.

956
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: He's at one fifty five, believe it or not, so

957
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: we could wait quite a bit for him if he

958
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 4: wanted to play this particular board.

959
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm on board with McCormick to be the center

960
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: future here. The dude tested like an athletic freak. The

961
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: film is is I haven't watched it, but I watched

962
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: the shrine Ball clips and the dude was amazing on

963
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: the trible So I'd be on board there, or maybe

964
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: one of the running backs because you could get I

965
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: think RB one at this point in time. I know

966
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: Trey Benson is much further down here, but I think

967
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: you could entertain trade.

968
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: Benson realistically, you're probably looking at Trey Benson here. If not,

969
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 4: then definitely the next pick. But let's go let's go

970
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: Center of the Future here. If we believe in McCormick

971
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 4: to be that guy, let's go with Miason McCormick. And

972
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 4: then I think I feel like I know what the

973
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: next two picks.

974
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: Are going to be.

975
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 4: So let's go with our Center of the Future here

976
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: at minimum, interior offensive woman guy of the future.

977
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to start.

978
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hen a guard for you, like you mentioned,

979
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: does calls as a guard, which is pretty pretty crazy.

980
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: Brett Coleman swears by for what it's worth. Uh, this

981
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: is definitely running back to.

982
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 4: I'm I'm Trey Benson. You had a nine to seventy

983
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: five r s. Your film matches numbers are great, runs well,

984
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: catches the ball. I do not know why he's here,

985
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: but I'm happy to take him here.

986
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go Trey Benson.

987
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: A lot of people love the fit of Brainlan Allen

988
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: for the Chargers as well, but Trey Benson as it

989
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: currently stands is neck and neck with Jonathan Jonathan Brooks

990
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: for Harvey one for me. I haven't broken that tie yet.

991
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: They both have medical concerns.

992
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 4: But I go Tred Benson here, got a running back,

993
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: heck of a running back. And now we have one

994
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 4: pick left, pick one thirty nine. Oh look who's right

995
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 4: at the top one. Well, you don't need me anymore?

996
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: What's a respect of my guy's name?

997
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: You know, the Chargers technically, right as it currently stands,

998
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 4: could use a safety. So at this point, this is

999
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: where I'm feeling linebacker territory with someone like a Michael Barrett.

1000
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 4: I'm also considering edge rusher if we didn't take one,

1001
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 4: so you could look at Jalen Harrell, you could look

1002
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: at Brandon McGregor, the two Michigan guys. Maybe a little

1003
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: early here, I am very much so because we don't

1004
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: have one thinking tight end here. I'm THEO Johnson right here.

1005
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: If we didn't take a center than Drake Nugent, but

1006
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 4: I'm I'm team THEO Johnson. And if you have anybody

1007
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: else you want to look at, I'm all for it.

1008
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm thinking.

1009
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously I would be on board with

1010
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: Cole Bishop. I think he goes much earlier than the

1011
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: fifth round. I also think THEO Johnson is earlier than

1012
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: the fifth round as well. Given the Chargers needs, I

1013
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: think you take the tight end. Like I think you

1014
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: can find safety depth in free agency and a much

1015
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 2: easier rate than through the draft. I think you want

1016
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: to take a shot on a long term tight end.

1017
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 4: I think the I would agree it'd be a fun

1018
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 4: pairing with Donald Parham or anybody else they bring in.

1019
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: So there we go.

1020
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 4: Now they're going to grade our mock, and because we

1021
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: believe in these players more than the mock that's not updated,

1022
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: we'll get a good like B minus for this, but

1023
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: it's an A plus in my hearts.

1024
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: We got a D for Jayalen Polk A and C

1025
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: minus or J Benson.

1026
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: What's the overall grade is A C plus? Sees get degrees?

1027
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah for sure. Now, I mean I understand why

1028
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: they they had Polk at like the sixties, but it

1029
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: is what it is. They never get good grades for

1030
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: taking into your offensive lineman. I need them to put

1031
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: some respect on that. Like you know, it's every time

1032
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: you take it into your offensive line. Mean, you get

1033
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 2: a bad grade for whatever reason. On the simulator, so it.

1034
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: Is what is.

1035
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: I would be thrilled with this draft. I think you

1036
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: check a lot of needs here. You get some instant

1037
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: impact guys with Arnold, Polk, Jenkins, and Benson, as well

1038
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: as potentially McCormick depending on what they do in free agency.

1039
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: Tight end of the future. So I would be thrilled

1040
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: with this draft. I know a lot of people in

1041
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: the comments are probably gonna be upset that we passed

1042
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: on Romo Donday.

1043
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: I totally get it.

1044
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: Oh well, send us your Marx. I'm happy to discuss

1045
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: them with you in the comment section. I love a

1046
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 4: lot of mock drafts as long as they're mildly realistic.

1047
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, let us know you could go we could

1048
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: have stuck and taken Bowers, but yeah, no, I like

1049
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: this group for sure. Benson is the easiest Round four

1050
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: pick every single time I do a mock draft, So

1051
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: I really like this group. I think we got the

1052
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 4: requisite one Michigan guy. At least you play corny, you

1053
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 4: play receiver, you play detackle. That's addressing three of the

1054
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: four best position groups in this class didn't go offensive tackle.

1055
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: We definitely could have. That's a great position group, but

1056
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: this class is all corner, wide, receiver, D tackle and

1057
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: I think going one, two, three in that order.

1058
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: I feel pretty good about that.

1059
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: All right, Hopefully you guys enjoyed that one.

1060
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're running through some different scenarios as we are

1061
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: currently doing right now and trying to weigh all options

1062
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: because I think everything is kind of on the table

1063
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: this year with the new regime, so we'll see what

1064
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: happens there. Like I mentioned, we are just under a

1065
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: week away from free agency. We'll have a lot of

1066
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: coverage on that regard on this channel as well as

1067
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: our own, so make sure and subscribe to both channels.

1068
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: Like the videos, comment all that good stuff. Tyler Any

1069
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm excited, man.

1070
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 3: I'll boom. We're here in March.

1071
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: What happened, But it's March. Free agency is next and

1072
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 4: I'm excited. It's a winning time.

1073
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1074
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: The Draft is next month, so it's rapidly approaching here.

1075
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 2: So appreciate you guys for tuning in. Thanks to Greg

1076
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: Kim for producing and the rest of the Charters team.

1077
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: You guys are the best in the business, sincerely mean it,

1078
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: and that's going to do it for us. We'll see

1079
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: you guys next week. As always bull up