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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.

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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 1: I am super excited for this episode. We have another

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Speaker 1: amazing guest coming on and sharing their story, so let's

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Speaker 1: get into it.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually particularly excited for this episode because it's not

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Speaker 2: a sorority girl, it's a sorority girl's mom. Oh, and

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Speaker 2: I am dying to hear your perspective. Christa, Hello, Hi there, No,

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Speaker 2: I really am excited to talk to you. We all are,

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Speaker 2: but we want to know from you your experience and

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Speaker 2: maybe not your particular experience, but the experience that you've

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Speaker 2: gone through as a mother of a girl going through

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Speaker 2: the process of rush.

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Speaker 3: Well, first off, I want to be clear, I was

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Speaker 3: in a sorority, so yeah, right, I'm not only am mom,

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Speaker 3: but I was in a sorority myself, which was four

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Speaker 3: hundred years ago, back in the day when it was

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Speaker 3: easy to get in, and you got in it was

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Speaker 3: whether or not you wanted to be in. And now,

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Speaker 3: as a mom to three girls who've all joined sororities,

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Speaker 3: my perspective is completely different, and it's been such a

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Speaker 3: different experience being on the other side and seeing how

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Speaker 3: difficult it is today and actually how brutal it is.

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Speaker 3: So as a mom, I would never do it myself now,

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Speaker 3: but I'm probably my girls were going through such an

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Speaker 3: ugly process to get to the other side.

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Speaker 4: Can you tell us a little bit about what their

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Speaker 4: experience was and what made it so ugly?

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Speaker 5: Before you start? If I could ask, where did you

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Speaker 5: go to school?

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Speaker 3: So? I went to a small school in northern California

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Speaker 3: called University of the Pacific, very with I think only

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Speaker 3: four sororities, and they were all probably great. You know,

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Speaker 3: you had your top tier. You thought one was the

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Speaker 3: best one and one was this, but everyone had different opinion.

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Speaker 5: I was the best one, but you know, but you know, it.

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Speaker 3: Was a whole different period where you just I felt

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Speaker 3: like it was up to me to choose, not up

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Speaker 3: to them to choose me.

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Speaker 5: Love that, which is probably as it should be, right feeling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it wasn't like that with your daughters.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, where.

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Speaker 3: You wanted to know about the girls? So my oldest

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Speaker 3: girl daughter went to a school in the South. I'd

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Speaker 3: rather not name it, but it is in Dallas and

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Speaker 3: it was well known for having a particularly brutal sorority rush,

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Speaker 3: very competitive. There was a book written about it called

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Speaker 3: I Believe Pledged, written by an undercover reporter who went

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Speaker 3: through rush at the school. And for decades they've done

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Speaker 3: something called the Pig Run. And it's called the pig

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Speaker 3: Run because the girls who make it to the very

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Speaker 3: last night, and that is few and far between. Hundreds

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Speaker 3: and hundreds are cut and it's not a huge school,

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Speaker 3: so in that you know, that percentage seems very high

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Speaker 3: at the time because they have very limited spots for

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Speaker 3: the stories. But either way, on the mid day night

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Speaker 3: they do it. At nighttime, they have the girls sit

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Speaker 3: on an envelope and they, you know, tell them that

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Speaker 3: whatever happens when they open that envelope, they're either going

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Speaker 3: to get what they want, not get what they want,

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Speaker 3: or not get anything at all. But either way they

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Speaker 3: must stand up, line up, and then they run from

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Speaker 3: that door through the middle of campus, where they are

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Speaker 3: filmed by local TV stations. The entire community comes out.

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Speaker 3: All of the moms are there for rush. That's one

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Speaker 3: of the weird things about the school is the mom's

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Speaker 3: attend rush. I've never heard of that before. But you

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Speaker 3: have girls sobbing and cryings they didn't get a house.

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Speaker 3: You have girls crying because they didn't get the house

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Speaker 3: they want, and then you have girls who are elated

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Speaker 3: because they got their dream house. And all of it

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Speaker 3: the laughing and screaming parents.

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Speaker 2: I honestly think that that should be illegal.

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Speaker 3: It s the same in white T shirts and the

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Speaker 3: boys throw like water ballonsm and spram and it's It's

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Speaker 3: called the Big Run for a reason. And I can't

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Speaker 2: Were you there? Did you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I went, and after that told anyone I knew

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Speaker 3: such a bad experience. But at the same time, it's

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Speaker 3: so hard on these girls that having your mom there

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Speaker 3: probably is nice. So I don't know what the right

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Speaker 3: answer is for me. It was, I mean, I had

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Speaker 3: It's so weird, how now that look back on how

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Speaker 3: seriously I took it. But my dog didn't get her

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Speaker 3: the house she initially wanted, but she ended up getting

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Speaker 3: the house she should have gotten. It just was she

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Speaker 3: didn't know what she was doing, and she got a house,

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Speaker 3: but plenty of her friends didn't get anything, and they

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Speaker 3: still had to run. And if I if she hadn't

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Speaker 3: gotten anything, it probably would have been worse than it was.

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Speaker 3: But it was altogether, probably one of the worst experiences

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Speaker 2: There are reporters there like recording these girls that are devastated.

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Speaker 3: Local TV stations just because it's such a fun event

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Speaker 3: and it's a tradition, and you know, they all do

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Speaker 3: it and it's been going on for, like I said, decades.

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Speaker 3: They used to call it U haul Day because tuition

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Speaker 3: wasn't due until the day after rush, so if a

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Speaker 3: girl didn't make a story, then she would quit school,

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Speaker 3: load the U haul and drive off. But now they

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Speaker 3: moved a tuition date to write before you hear whether

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Speaker 3: or not you got a sorority. And actually I heard

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Speaker 3: recently may have moved sorority rush to second semester, which

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Speaker 3: was probably a little bit better because girls, or back

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Speaker 3: to first semester. I can't remember which one they moved

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Speaker 3: it to, but either way, the U haul Day is

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Speaker 3: no longer a thing. They tuition is required prior to

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Speaker 1: I feel like just going to those extents is crazy

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Speaker 1: because I went to Rutgers University, so big ten and

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Speaker 1: the Greek life wasn't nearly as big as it was

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Speaker 1: in the South, but we had something similar, but the.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't similar at all.

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Speaker 1: Like we were all in a I guess auditorium, and

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Speaker 1: we opened up our envelopes and saw which sorority house

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Speaker 1: we got into, and then the sorority house that we

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Speaker 1: got into, everyone ran home, so you would run home

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Speaker 1: to your houses. But it wasn't like there were any

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Speaker 1: acts of malicious intent being thrown in our faces, or

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Speaker 1: at least not to my knowledge that I remember that

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Speaker 1: that was happening. I mean, definitely no news channels outside.

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Speaker 1: There was not other fraternity brothers throwing water balloons at us.

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Speaker 1: Like that's just another level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how mine was too. Like it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: An extremely reveal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like it was just like girls and

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Speaker 4: then if you didn't get in one, you didn't like

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Speaker 4: see everyone else. I think they had us like run

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Speaker 4: I'm like trying to remember they had us like run

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Speaker 4: Alfy did your daughter because she said she got one,

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Speaker 4: did she end up staying in that and did she

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Speaker 4: end up liking it or no, I think.

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Speaker 3: She liked it for a little while. After a while

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Speaker 3: she didn't like it. But the crazy thing was, it

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Speaker 3: was such a big deal to get into certain houses,

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Speaker 3: and you know, some of them were overly hyped up.

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Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, after it was

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Speaker 3: different houses. They all hung out together. It wasn't like

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Speaker 3: depending on which else they got in. I think that

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Speaker 3: was a huge lesson for me and hopefully for her,

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Speaker 3: but that it didn't matter. It didn't matter you got

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Speaker 3: got in the top house, you got in the second

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Speaker 3: all hung out thegether anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about the dynamics or so all. What

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Speaker 2: do the mothers do? They're there for what the week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty short process, as opposed to say Indiana,

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Speaker 3: So that was a lesson to learn about the process.

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Speaker 3: In the South, they take it very seriously.

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Speaker 5: If you don't mind me asking how long ago was this.

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Speaker 1: I graduated two years Okay, see, I graduated two years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I this is like a different language.

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Speaker 5: I've never heard of this in my life.

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe it's in the South, but I know.

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Speaker 3: Also at Indiana they have rush coaches, so I don't know.

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Speaker 3: These rush coaches start girls as early as eighth grade,

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Speaker 3: teaching them how to get through the rush process, what

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Speaker 3: they need to get into quote unquote they top to

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pukel it in my mouth. I can't,

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Speaker 2: I can't listen. I was in a sorority. I know

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Speaker 2: how wonderful the experience can be. And I know you

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Speaker 2: guys loved it once I was in I you know,

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Speaker 2: you make lifelong friends all of that, But you're killing

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Speaker 2: me here with the mothers with the racks of clothes

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Speaker 2: and hairdressers and whoa, that's a lot and it's a

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Speaker 2: lot of money. But how did you feel about it

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Speaker 2: when you like, was your daughter like, mommy wear are

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Speaker 2: my clothes?

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Speaker 3: Was you know?

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Speaker 2: What was that like for you?

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Speaker 3: Think so mind blowing that part of me was thinking,

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Speaker 3: We're not falling for this stuff. This is stupid. I'm

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Speaker 3: not doing it. And part of me is thinking, while

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Speaker 3: we really missed the boat, I need to get a

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Speaker 3: pair of Gucci shoes immediately. And the fact that the

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Speaker 3: you start thinking crazy thoughts. I mean, we didn't get

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Speaker 3: to the airmate's belt. We can go to the shoes. But

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, have I screwed my daughter out of

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Speaker 3: I've never heard of that putting it on your resume.

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Speaker 1: Then you can have you can have people vouch for

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Speaker 2: We are thrilled that you are you've joined us, and

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Speaker 2: it's such a great insight just to hear not only

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Speaker 1: But then I think a lot of our new listeners

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Speaker 5: It'll maybe make or break where they choose to go.

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Speaker 3: And I think that it takes way though no matter

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Speaker 2: Listen to what this very wise woman is saying, listeners,

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Speaker 3: Which part don't put all your eggs in one basket.

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Speaker 5: No, everything will work, Everything will work itself out.

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Speaker 3: You have a great day.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Christa.

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Speaker 1: I would never want my daughter to experience or go

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was, I said to her, It's just.

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Speaker 5: The most bogus thing I've ever heard in my life.

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Speaker 2: I said, your mom, your mom, Daisy, your mom. Me,

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Speaker 2: it would get violent. I would become I would lose

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Speaker 2: my mind right.

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Speaker 1: One thousand percent. But then even just seeing the pressure

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Speaker 1: of being in a hotel room and seeing other moms

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Speaker 1: come in with all of this stuff, I completely understand

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Speaker 1: what she was saying. Feeling the pressure of oh, should

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Speaker 1: I have gotten her this, or should I have gotten

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Speaker 1: her a makeup artist? Like that is just not sorority rush.

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Speaker 1: That is like, that is the craziest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that wasn't either one of your experiences.

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Speaker 4: No, it's almost to me it kind of seems like

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Speaker 4: maybe like the moms are the one that's making it

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Speaker 4: so insane.

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Speaker 1: I agree, because then also, I mean, look at these

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Speaker 1: pageant moms. Yeah, these daughters grow up doing pageants. It's

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Speaker 1: not the daughter's choice. I mean, yeah, okay, they get

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure they're excited to get in their

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Speaker 1: costumes and the glitz and the glam, But like Toddler's.

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Speaker 5: In Tierra's, Yeah, their mothers are more investment.

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Speaker 3: That's so childing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am so on board with that. I think

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Speaker 2: that also. I wanted my daughter when she was going

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Speaker 2: through it to know that I didn't give two ships.

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Speaker 2: Like I want her to understand that she thought that

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Speaker 2: this was everything, and I thought it was having been

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Speaker 2: in a sorority especially, it was not important. It was

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Speaker 2: it would have been. I knew that it was going

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Speaker 2: to be nice for her, a great way to meet people,

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Speaker 2: but certainly like not the end all be all. I

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Speaker 2: would think that would make the girls feel more pressure. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 4: And I think too, like coming into freshman year, like

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Speaker 4: it is so scary and everything is so new, and

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Speaker 4: to have that extra like aspect and pressure like I.

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Speaker 5: Have to get in it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, it just kind of gets rid

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Speaker 4: of the fun of it. I think adding all that

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Speaker 4: extra stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 1: And I think you know what she was saying with

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Speaker 1: the moms, not really the moms because you don't see

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Speaker 1: the moms as much on TikTok, but the sorority girls

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Speaker 1: that are very well known right now, some of them

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Speaker 1: go to Alabama.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like a whole thing you know, the

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Speaker 1: moms are adding into it, the daughters are adding into

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Speaker 1: but it's it's everyone kind of making the world feel

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Speaker 1: like this is okay, and it's it's it's not I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I think there are of course, certain sororities at

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Speaker 1: Alabama that are too a different standard, which obviously you

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Speaker 1: do not need to go into that sorority. But you know,

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Speaker 1: my friend went to Alabama and she rushed, and she

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Speaker 1: definitely didn't do all this.

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Speaker 2: So ladies were starting a revolution. Yes, there will be

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Speaker 2: no more running of the pigs.

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Speaker 5: No, that's brazy. Yeah. If I had boys throwing balloons

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Speaker 5: at me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I would cry, Yeah, oh what.

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Speaker 3: Is going on?

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Speaker 4: Either that or I'd be like exciting, get ready to out?

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Speaker 2: Could go one or two ways.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We love hearing your stories, and if you have more

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Speaker 1: dirty Rush stories to tell us, make sure to give

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Speaker 1: us a call call at eight four four two seven

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Speaker 1: eight rush.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, guys, thank you for listening. Once again, we.

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Speaker 5: Already already rush. Thank you, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, thank you. To be continued