1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where our favorite practices are joint practices. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal and I am wrapping up the week 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: with my friend who I was in the studio with earlier. 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Then I was in Oxnard, California without her, and now 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: she's in Minnesota and I'm talking to her from across 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: the country. Jordan, I you know how people say, like, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: dance like nobody's watching today. I want you to podcast 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: like you've just taken antihistamies before the show, because it 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: really worked for you last time out. 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: I know, I know, man, that might be the formula 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: you know, moving forward. 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: That was We've had a fun week, Kevin. We Greg. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: It was all legal and it was all excellent. You 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: just weren't You were on some cold medicine and I 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: think it worked out great. 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: So I'm really excited for this show. 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: We've had lots of different types of shows this week, 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: and we're going to get back more into the nitty 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: gritty practice news element. Jordan watched two days of joint 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: practices between the Vikings and the Patriots, so we're gonna 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: dive a little deeper into those two teams and what 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: you saw. 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 4: Jordan. 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: To start the show, but we're also going to go 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: all around the league. There's joint practices this week, and 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: all the coaches say it, these are the most important 27 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: days of the entire summer. So we're gonna we're gonna 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: take them seriously. I think there was about eight or 29 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: ten different joint practices, and we're gonna go through some 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: notes and so we'll hit a lot of your teams 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: today and then we'll hit some players at the back end. 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: We're crossing a lot of boxes here that could be 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: possible cut or trade candidates. Now that's not gonna happen 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: for about a week and a half. I thought this 35 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: would be a good time to go over some guys 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of eyeing as possible cut or trade candidates. 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: But let's start with the Patriots and the Vikings. You spent, 38 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, two days there. Not every joint. 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: Practice is two days long. 40 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: You're still there, But I mean, you got to watch 41 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: the runs on the field. 42 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 4: I'll give you a. 43 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Hard question, what's your number one takeaway? You have to 44 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: pick one thing from these two practices to start that 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: you think the listeners. 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: Have to know well as you know, in this scary, 47 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: frightening brain of mine. There's never only one thing. 48 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 4: That's what I mean. We'll get to the rest. But 49 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: what's the most important. 50 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: This defense is for the Vikings is so sick. 51 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, So I spent I'm working on a 53 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: project and I spent the first day of practice. They 54 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: split field and it was the Patriots first and second 55 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: and third team offense going against the Vikings first, second 56 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: and third team defense. This was the first day of 57 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: the joint practices on Wednesday of this week, and it 58 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: was really cool. It gave an easier way to split fields. 59 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: My colleagues Alex Lewis and Chad Graff, they went over 60 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: to the other field and they were watching some JJ McCarthy, 61 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: a little Patriots defense action. But I was staying and 62 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: I was sort of charting this malleable Amieba multiple personality 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: Brian Flora's defense. And I know we've talked a lot 64 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: about how much we love this defense on the show, 65 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: but it's so interesting because they took the floor of 66 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: a group that was already so high and they ratcheted 67 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: it up like three or four notches. Like to watch 68 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 2: it in person, the nonverbal communication, the rotations, the multiplicity 69 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: of not just one, not just two, not just three, 70 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: but so many players on that defense. The coverages they played, 71 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: the Patriots offense very very interestingly, they were trying to 72 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: be as live as possible in order to get that 73 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: competitive feel, to have Brian flora as callings. 74 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: As realistic of a defense as you would obviously. 75 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: Without the being able to hit the quarterback and totally 76 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: full contact, still plenty of contact, but without the you know, 77 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: within the roles of legality. And then also having Josh 78 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: McDaniels and Drake May and the Patriots offense go how 79 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: they would react to some of these things. I think 80 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: it was really important for Drake May to see these 81 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: types of pressure that Brian Flores likes to bring and 82 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 2: the unpredictability of what they're showing you versus what will 83 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: actually happen. But I was so lucky Greg because I 84 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: got to stand in the defensive backfield and watch from 85 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: the coverage to the rush, how this Viking's defense all 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: fits together. And to say that it's special and aims 87 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: to be special this year is an understatement, I think. 88 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: But I also think that this is also a defense 89 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: where you're underneath the roof, where this culture is that 90 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: it is okay if the defense has to as you 91 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: continue to develop your young quarterback, carry the offense a 92 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: little bit from time to time, and that's okay. That 93 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: is something that is very much in balance and encouraged 94 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: that this unit has its own entire like I said, 95 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: multiple personalities and that's what it really is. 96 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: It was fascinating and watch. 97 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: My number one takeaway is how consistent they were both days. 98 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 2: And we can get into that a little bit more, 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: but that is absolutely My number one takeaway is this 100 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: group is absolutely fear someone to watch has some wrinkles 101 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: up its sleeve as usual, but even more so this 102 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: year as these guys are continuing to play together. 103 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: These are two of the teams that I follow the 104 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: most closely, partly because they have great reporters covering them 105 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: and so this is a very well reported joint practice. 106 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: It seemed like if you're adding them all up together. 107 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: And I love the Tom Curran Patriots podcast, I like 108 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: Greg Bdard, I like the Lockdown Vikings is a new 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: one for me. 110 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: Luke bron Alec Lewis show. 111 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 4: Does it really a great job? 112 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: Like it's everywhere I've talked about I say Purple Daily. 113 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: It seems like the first day the Patriots were happy. 114 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: They hit a couple of big plays. Travon Henderson, you know, 115 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: mc collins has a big play. At least it was 116 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: a little back and forth, and then day two more 117 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: of a dominant showing from the Vikings and probably from 118 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: my perspective, hearing that the overall struggles of the Patriots 119 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: offensive line both days to protect Drake may sound concerning. 120 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So day two I was watching, you know, split fields, 121 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: and they did split team drills as well. You know, 122 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: I counted at least five sacks, and I would say 123 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: that I am very generous when it comes to what 124 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: that would look like because the quarterback will be able 125 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: to move more. They're trying to limit how much they're 126 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: actually avoiding pressure with their legs in scramble situations because 127 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: they actually want the ball to be moving through the 128 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: air to get their plays off in a structural way. 129 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: So I'm a little more generous. Some counted seven sacks. 130 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: I think that's really fair. I did definitely count two 131 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: in the course of three plays during the two minute 132 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: drives at the end of practice. 133 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: This was the second day of practice. 134 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: The offensive line for the Patriots both days was consistently 135 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: very very up and down. Now, this is going to 136 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: be one of the best defensive fronts and also one 137 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: of the most difficult to diagnose pressure packages that they 138 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: face ever, not just this season or beyond, but like 139 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: ever probably in their careers. So that you do have 140 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: that little caveat I will say when you're talking about 141 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: sort of you know some of the things that have 142 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: and you know, Travon Henderson is so special, and they 143 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: absolutely put together an explosive on a wheel route that 144 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: was just really an excellent. 145 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: Play through and through. 146 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: The other explosive to Mac Collins that was a coverage bust, 147 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: and that was more of a second team situation for 148 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: the defensive side. He was. Mac Collins was like responsible 149 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: for most of their chunk gains, which was wild to me. 150 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: But Travon Henderson, Travon Henderson was absolutely special. 151 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: He stood out among everyone. 152 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: But I will say that that first day, the one 153 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: that you referenced at the top of this comment, most 154 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: of what the Patriots had to do was work underneath. 155 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs looked awesome that day. He was working underneath. 156 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: He was one of the receivers that felt really comfortable 157 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: working the perimeter. The cool thing about the way that 158 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: the Vikings orchestrated their coverages on that first day in 159 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: order to impart make the quarterback uncomfortable knowing their pressure 160 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily allowed to get home all the way that 161 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: they would like was they pushed his landmarks wider than 162 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: he wanted them to be. The way that they their 163 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: spots and the receivers that they had to cover, they 164 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: pushed everything out wider than Josh McDaniels wanted the spacing 165 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: for the quarterback and the route structures, so he was 166 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: often when he was throwing mid range passes Drake May, 167 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: he would throw to the perimeter, but it would be 168 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: like a little bit too uncomfortable, and it would be 169 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: out of bounds, or the receiver would be trying to 170 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: make a play and couldn't stand bounds, or it would 171 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: be incomplete. And that happened a few times on that 172 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: first day. And then the stuff that they were successful 173 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: with was short and underneath, and yes they were able 174 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: to move the ball in that regard, and it showed 175 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: that Josh McDaniels is still very comfortable making his quarterback 176 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: be patient there. But that was really all that they 177 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: were getting outside of that wheel route to Henderson and 178 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: then the coverage bus that they did experience as well. 179 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: That was a touchdowntc Collins punted the ball into the stands. 180 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: It was a fun moment for sure. 181 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: It is an offense. 182 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: I think that's going to have to work hard for 183 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: their points and that's why they need Trevon Henderson because 184 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: he mightbe their. 185 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: Number one receiver by the end of the season. 186 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: Greg, he's definitely their most explosive playmaker and there's no 187 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: one close. There's this weird idea in New England that 188 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: like Stephan Diggs because the money that he made is 189 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: like some sort of number one. It's like, no before 190 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: he tore his a cl he was absolutely like a 191 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: plus slot. He's a better version of e Ft and Chisholm. 192 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: They're they're undrafted rookie that I know is making some place. 193 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 2: They found another one, Greg, they found another one there. 194 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: I was so because the fields were split when there 195 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: were traveling fans. I was standing, you know at one 196 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: point next to this Patriots fan who was there with 197 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: his I think his father and his father was you know, 198 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: differently abled, so was sitting in a chair kind of 199 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: often more of a secure zone, and the guy was 200 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: sort of narrating the practice to him, and Chisholm caught 201 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: a couple passes with the twos and then got some 202 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: reps with the ones, and this this guy was so 203 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: stoked about it, and he goes, oh, he's a verble guy. 204 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 3: He's a vible guy. 205 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, because he was 206 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: so excited with the accident, the accident. 207 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: And I dying. I was so I texted you about this. 208 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm having the quintessential experience for a 209 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: Patriots fan right now. 210 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: We don't need we you know, I'm excited that this 211 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: get at FT and Chisholm almost certainly has made this 212 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: team and you might have a pretty big role. His 213 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: biggest problem is their number one receiver, I believe is 214 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: going to be to Mario Douglas, and you know, he's 215 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: also a slot so's to get on the field might 216 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: be a little difficult. But yeah, we don't need another scrappy, undersized, 217 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: white slot receiver to become one of their better players 218 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: because it's just it's just too on brand. So, yeah, 219 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: the offensive line from this going to make the rasta. 220 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: He's got to make the rasta the guy Tom sick 221 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 3: to me. 222 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm concerned a little bit about about the youngsters on that, 223 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: but you know, it's a it's a learning experience, as 224 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: you said on the other side, especially, and I know 225 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: maybe you didn't get eyes on it, so you know, 226 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: I'll actually just speak on what I read was, you know, McCarthy, 227 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: I think McCarthy in general, and this is just the 228 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: time to talk about his camp because we haven't. 229 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did watch him the entire time the 230 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 2: second day, by the way, so go ahead, but I 231 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: did have eyes on him the whole time second. 232 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: Day that I think this camp from the reporters that 233 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: are there have said, for the most part, it's been 234 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: really good from a operation and decision making standpoint, and 235 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: not flashy. You don't have justin Jefferson out there, and 236 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: that maybe he hasn't been that accurate, and you kind 237 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: of saw that in the preseason game. That's probably like 238 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: the one thing that you could say, maybe that's him 239 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: coming off an injury. It happens too quarterbacks coming off 240 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: an injury sometimes, but that overall he's got to going. 241 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: It hasn't been great, it's been solid, but the decision 242 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: making and the operation, and the same kind of held 243 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: true on a nondescript first day where maybe the Patriots 244 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: defense won more than the Vikings offense, but it sounded 245 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: like the opposite was true today and now Vikings fans 246 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: who do not need a reason to be optimistic or 247 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: spike in the football, they won day too, because the 248 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: important thing in joint practices Jordan is to declare a winner, 249 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: and based on the reports, it does seem like the 250 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: Vikings won. So congratulations to the Vikings. 251 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting because he did definitely struggle. I 252 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: debriefed with my colleagues, Like I said, they were over 253 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: on the other field for the first day, and then 254 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: we sort of switched places, and then I was eyes 255 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: on JJ McCarthy in the offense the whole time. 256 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: And it was. 257 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: Interesting because he very clearly, based on the feedback that 258 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: he seemed to get the first day, very clearly changed 259 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: some things and improved day over day. I think when 260 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: you're developing a young quarterback, that's really what you want 261 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: to see. I will note a small caveat that, like 262 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales was not practicing the second day, for example, 263 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: so it's like different things obviously, you know, they're also 264 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: Vikings are also missing. 265 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: They're the best receiver in the league. 266 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Like their periods and I'll still week to week, maybe 267 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: could return next week, but it has impressed a wow. 268 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: They did have Carlton Davis back this week for the 269 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: first time, so that's a situation I've been updating every 270 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: now and then, so that's a good sign for them. 271 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think with JJ, what was interesting is 272 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: when as practice continued and they did a lot of 273 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: red zone work today and they did a lot of 274 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: like move the ball under time constraints two minute stuff today. 275 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: That was eleven on eleven, which is good because you 276 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: get a real feel for how the lines are faring 277 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: against each other. You get an understanding of how the 278 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: entire picture looks, and so I was pretty impressed. He 279 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: started a little shaky. You know. It's interesting because the 280 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: things that happened for him between the hashes and the 281 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: middle of the field. He has just this laser arm 282 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: and he puts the ball right where it needs to be, 283 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: and as time passes he got more comfortable with the 284 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: middle and longer range perimeter stuff. What was interesting was 285 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: when they were going through some of the spot throws 286 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: and seven on sevens and then got into the team 287 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: periods the middle of the field stuff. You could tell 288 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: he's been working on his touch in terms of getting 289 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: the ball to sink after it hits the apex of 290 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: the throw and so you can drop it over the 291 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: top of a covering defender. You could tell he's feeling 292 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: more comfortable with that. When he's throwing to the middle 293 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: of the field. It took him a few times. He 294 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: sailed a couple. It took him a few times to 295 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 2: get that touch going a little bit more when he 296 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: has his wrist and his body at a different angle 297 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: than facing the middle of the field. It was interesting 298 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: too because you could tell that himself in the center. 299 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: He's new to Ryan Kelly, he's working on They haven't 300 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: actually got a lot of reps together yet because Kelly's 301 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 2: been like dealing with some things on and off through 302 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: the spring and summer, and so you could tell they're 303 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: also trying to figure out like where he likes the 304 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: ball to be snapped well, kind of spin he likes 305 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: on the ball in order to get it to pronate 306 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: correctly out of his hand. Like you could tell all 307 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: of these things just watching like the little details. This 308 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: is quarterback development, and I thought it was super cool 309 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: because he gained confidence as time passed in practice, and 310 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: he was like floating by the time he got to 311 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: the podium at the end of the practice because he 312 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: finished so well, a couple explosive plays, four touchdowns in 313 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: the two minutes in the red zone period, and he 314 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: felt good. The caveat here is that his best target 315 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: today was Jalen Naylor, or excuse me, was Jordan Addison, 316 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: who obviously he won't have for the first part of 317 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: the season, and then justin Jefferson wasn't there for right now, 318 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: might be back next week. Look like he was feeling 319 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: good with teammates on the sideline, and so the cast 320 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: of receivers and the depth there is still a little 321 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: bit in question, but he gained confidence so clearly as 322 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: time passed, and by the end of the practice he 323 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: was feeling like probably be reporters were saying better than 324 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: he has looked and felt since OTAs and since training 325 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: camp began. 326 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a couple like, is this the best 327 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy practice of the off season That they will 328 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: not be saying that about Drake May. But I think 329 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: that Mike Rabel's probably happy about that. There was there 330 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: was a little bit. 331 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: I think you're probably happy with Drake May after this. 332 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: I mean because he was calm. They threw some stuff 333 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: at him and he stayed calm. He didn't make dumb 334 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: decisions with the football. You know, he was sacked a 335 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: bunch quote unquote, but like he didn't make dumb decisions 336 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: with the ball. 337 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the comment too that I think poise and 338 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: colm was a word that Greg Badard used talking about 339 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: this dude, like that a lot was going on in 340 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: front of him around him, and he needs his protection 341 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: to be better. And you're not going to be playing 342 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: the Vikings a team like the Vikings very often. But 343 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: that he handled it all well, It's more that I 344 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: think Rabel likes the idea, like they know this offense 345 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: probably has more work to do than their defense, where 346 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: they have more veteran players. They just have more talent 347 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: really at all three levels. And it's interesting to me. 348 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I've noticed this with a bunch of these coaches, but 349 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: Rabel is one of them that like, Rabel's spending all 350 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: his time with the offense and you think, like that's 351 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: a defensive coach but he has basically put parked himself 352 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: behind Drake May for all of training camp and is 353 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: one on one trying to help this guy grow because 354 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: he knows that that's the organization. So Pat's vikings, I 355 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: like the deep dive there. Now we're going to fly 356 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: through a bunch of the other joint practices, Jordan, and 357 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: so I have some notes of if you you react, However, 358 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: I know you've been in Minnesota, so you know you 359 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: probably weren't grinding any Twitter film on Jets Giant. My 360 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: big thing there is just like Andrew Thomas is still 361 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: not back, and the longer it goes, they sound like 362 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: slightly less certain that he could be back for week one. 363 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: I've said a lot of times like that, to me 364 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: is the most crucial injury in the entire league to 365 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: helping their team. Second might be Malik Neighbors, who's very 366 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: rarely on the field. It you know, kind of need 367 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: need him to be a little more consistent because otherwise 368 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: their offense is dead. And the takeaways that from those 369 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: practices and they had two days two is kind of 370 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: what you expected. On both sides. The defense is just dominated. 371 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: There just wasn't there wasn't many plays down the field. 372 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: It was a lot of short passing that justin fields 373 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: was very conservative. That the Jets offensive line, which looked 374 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: great in the preseason opener, you know, was dominated in 375 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: terms of the pass rush especially, But you would expect 376 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: that the Giants defensive line is awesome, so that it 377 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: was just a whole lot of defense, which which makes 378 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: sense when you think about. 379 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: These two teams. 380 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. 381 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: I feel I have almost this like uh oh man 382 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: pity feeling for when you're a quarterback on either of 383 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: in either of these two situations, and like you have 384 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: to get your plays off the ground, and this defense 385 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: also has to get its own install and its own 386 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: work too, and so these joint practices they become especially 387 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: against strength on strength like this when there's two really 388 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: good defenses, and then you are sort of you know, 389 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: that's sort of where the advantage lies with the group. 390 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: It sounds like Abdul Carter just continues to absolutely shine. 391 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see real football that counts when 392 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: he plays. He looked awesome in the preseason so far, 393 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: and like you just hear these reports every day at 394 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: a Giant's camp about him that I mean, they absolutely 395 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: have done it again finding a player who could be 396 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: very very early to be saying this, but there's been 397 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: a lot so far made of his talent and his ability, 398 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: how he's popped so far against true competition as well. 399 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: I mean, this could be really special for this defensive line. 400 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: Now the rest of the team, who knows, but the 401 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: defensive line is going to be rad Yeah. 402 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence was participating in team drills and is starting 403 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: to do eleven on eleven so I said, injuries are 404 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: the most important thing this time of year. He's coming 405 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: off the biggest injury you know, of his career and 406 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: he's the best. He's still the best player on that 407 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: defensive line until proven otherwise. And supposedly in these practices, 408 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: Brian Burns was giving armand Membu and Olu fashion and 409 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: the great I think, great potentially young tackle combo for 410 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: the Jets. 411 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 4: Uh the business. 412 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Let's go to the Dolphins lines, which it's a it's 413 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: a rare time where it's just a decisive victory. 414 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 4: But your your colleague Culton. 415 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: Pouncy, a couple of the other people there were like, 416 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: this is the most one sided that they have ever 417 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: seen a joint practice that was day one. By all accounts, 418 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: the Dolphins fought back and made it a little more ReSpectacle, 419 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: certainly the on the offensive side of the all the 420 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Dolphins offense on day two of the joint practices, but 421 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: you had to score the decision. 422 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: It was over day one. 423 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: A little concerning that, it's the second straight week that 424 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: we've heard that the Dolphins have kind of been dominated 425 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: in a joint practice. Last time it was the Bears, 426 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: this time it was the Lions. Let's let's let's listen 427 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: to Mike McDaniel at the podium. This was after Wednesday's practice. 428 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 5: I didn't like practice because there was a lot of 429 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 5: negative results tied to things that we've been working on 430 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 5: in our process. So like, I'm cool with uh contested losses. 431 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 5: I'm not cool with bus I'm cool with you know, 432 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 5: dB making a great play. I'm not cool with the 433 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 5: receiver running a wrong route based upon their responses. We'll 434 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 5: see how value well yesterday was. 435 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: You are McDaniel translator there, I know you're not used 436 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: to seeing him quite like that. 437 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff's getting real over there, I think, and that's 438 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: more frustrated angry. I know his voice toned, does like 439 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: not change at all, But like, that's more frustrated and 440 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: angry than I think I've seen him. 441 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: And it's I you hate. 442 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: There's always a couple teams every year where they come 443 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: into the season and sort of the narrative drum beat 444 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 2: is going and you feel it. And I don't care 445 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: if you say you block out the noise. I don't 446 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: care if you say whatever. You feel it, the drum 447 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: beat of how many games does this person really have? 448 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: How many games does this front office really have? How 449 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: many games does this head coach really have? And so 450 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: I think that's where it's you can tell, and the 451 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 2: players will be able to feel it. 452 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: You can tell. I am curious. 453 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: It's tough sometimes to read the reports that come out 454 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: of there, out of Miami, just because you're not really sure. 455 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: I'd like to I'm curious. 456 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: You know, obviously they were outmatched and outmanned, but I'm curious, 457 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: are they playing hard once they stopped playing hard? 458 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 3: Because they played hard last year still through. 459 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: The end of the year, especially that defense for Anthony Weaver, 460 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: and if they stopped playing. 461 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: Hard at the offense by the end of the year, 462 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: Tyre Kill refusing to come back into the game and 463 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: that is what is concerning to me is that the 464 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: offense made so many mistakes against the Bears, had had 465 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: an awful day, and then that the Lions defense, which 466 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm letting myself get excited about, might be my super 467 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: Bowl you know NFC picks. So I think the route 468 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: for that is their defense, you know, just going two 469 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: levels up. And they do have these guys that I think, 470 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: if they're healthy, can be good. And I was reading 471 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: the practice reports of who made some big plays, Derek 472 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Barnes making big plays. 473 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, I love Derek Barnes. 474 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: Missed all Yeah, Marcus Davenport, I've I've been hurt before 475 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: by him, But if he's on the field like he 476 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: was winning his matchups up front, is is a good 477 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: secondary rusher for them. I'm not going to get carried 478 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: away or anything. And I did think it was interesting 479 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: aman Rossaint Brown after the practice and I saw one 480 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: lines reporter said like this was maybe as good a 481 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: practice as they've ever seen, like any one player have 482 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: just like his releases and everything. 483 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: He was just dominating. 484 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: And you can think about the matchups against the Dolphins 485 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: secondary and think like, oh yeah, Amana against that team, 486 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: is going to be a disaster, and he said, unprompted, really, 487 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, we just offensively. We haven't had a good camp. Essentially, 488 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: was saying it's been a little frustrating. There has been 489 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: a little drum beat about that it hasn't been the 490 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: offensive camp that they wanted, and that this almost was 491 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: a release for them where they felt really great about 492 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: it afterwards. One bad item was on Thursday, though Sam 493 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: Laporta it was revealed will miss some time with an injury, 494 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: not believed to be too serious, but certainly like the 495 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: rest of this week and maybe into next week. 496 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: So that was that was from Dan Campbell. 497 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: I saw Colton Pounty my call yet the athletic I 498 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: saw his post where it was like sharing the news, 499 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: and then like an hour later a follow up that 500 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: said I can see people are already. 501 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: Over reacting to that. It's like, hell, it's about that 502 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 3: time of year, you know. 503 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: He also, yeah, he also is like Dolphins fans calm down, 504 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: because Dolphins fans today it's like everyone gets into these 505 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: joint practices, the players do. 506 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 3: I know, I don't plust anything from him. 507 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: I can't. 508 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 3: I can't deal with it. 509 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the fans, how come, you're not pointing out 510 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: today the Dolphins were more competitive. It's like, okay, Dolphins 511 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: have a number of injuries too. You know, Tyreek Hill 512 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: and Jael and Watto were limited in some way in 513 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: these practices, which look they're they're dead on arrival. If 514 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: those two players are not one hundred percent. It's more 515 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: of the defense, it's the combination. It's the vibes Eagles, Browns. 516 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: You know, maybe the most surprising result of joint practice season, Jordan. 517 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 4: I might give this one to the Browns. 518 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, based on the reports, just seems like they 519 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: seems like it was it's like a draw, like maybe 520 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: the Eagles by a little on Wednesday, maybe the Browns 521 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: by a little on Thursday. But if it's a tie, 522 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: then you give it to the Browns. Unfortunately, Shador Sanders 523 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: did not participate much and will it really looks like 524 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: we'll miss this preseason game. And Dylan Gabriel had some 525 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: good moments apparently. Joe Flacco though, was the first team 526 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: quarterback and I don't think they're going to play him 527 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: in the preseason. I think it's going to be one 528 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: of those games Jordan, where they both teams really rest 529 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: the starters and Dylan Gabriel then maybe gets his chance 530 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: to play at quarterback. 531 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: So I was looking at this and it was like 532 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett is still not totally recovered, and then they weren't. 533 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 3: There was something with Dylan Gabriel. 534 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: I was like scanning it while I was walking out 535 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 2: to practice today and it wasn't and so obviously he'll 536 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: get his shop. 537 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: Then Ster Sanders is dealing with the oblique issue. 538 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 2: And then they obviously don't want to play Flacco yet 539 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: because they would like him to remain healthy into the season. 540 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: And I was like, what if they went from four. 541 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks to now you have to have an emergency fishing 542 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: right time? 543 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, justice for Snoopuntley Man. 544 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: He comes in there, he's probably like the second best 545 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: quarterback in the room, bowler, Like there is a world 546 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: where he's actually, right now the best quarterback in that 547 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: room to win a game. I mean, it's all probably close, 548 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: but like he could be. 549 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 4: He could be. 550 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see Dylan Gabriel. It's not announced that he'll start. 551 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: He was increasing his work. I'm sure they don't want 552 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: to risk him. But it was also interesting I heard 553 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: from our friends at the All Pho y show that kiey. 554 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 4: Ringo at least for Thursday, and these practices. 555 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: Are important, like appeared to be demoted that it was 556 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: a Dori Jackson with the starters, and then they have 557 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: this fifth round rocket. 558 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: He heard that call out, Dori Jackson heard that call 559 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: out from Vic Fangio. 560 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: May maybe so they have this fifth round rookie Mac McWilliams, 561 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: who's starting to move up and was playing like with 562 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: their ahead of ringo today and they brought Hi Jacry 563 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: and Bennett and he's getting his chance. 564 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 4: So there's some concerns there. 565 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: I would love a new corner in Philly emerging Mac 566 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: McWilliams in Philly. 567 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: I mean, that's just you gotta do it. You gotta 568 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: do it. 569 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: I hope I got his name right. That was when 570 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: that was off the dome. My favorite, I don't know 571 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: if you saw this though. My favorite the ultimate offensive 572 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: line training camp picture today. I don't know if you 573 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: saw it that that Landon Dickerson brought out a cooler 574 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: of Miller light for all the Browns offensive linemen and 575 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: the Eagles offensive linemen. They're out there, it's like one 576 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: hundred degrees and they're just pounding a Miller Light after practice. 577 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: You're three hundred pounds. That would be like me taking 578 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: a sip. But that's that's great. Let's not take let's 579 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: not take this too seriously. Tomorrow is going to be 580 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: mostly a rest day. Like let's have a beer on 581 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: the field. 582 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Lineman gatorade right there, that's hydration right there, 583 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: you know, Miller light. I think that's you know, I see, 584 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: I see nothing wrong with this. 585 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: By the way, the Eagles, they just seem like a 586 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: little banged up, Like Lane Johnson was resting today, a 587 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: j Brown had a hamstring, was resting today. Made Latta 588 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: has been fighting through something and reportedly their passing game 589 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: wasn't amazing. And yeah, by the way, no one can 590 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: block Miles Garrett. Even guys on the Eagles can't block 591 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. Let's go to the Rams and Saints, who 592 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: had a rare surprise joint practice. This came together last minute, 593 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: and then the Saints actually put it on their website. 594 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 4: Shout out to them. I love it. 595 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: Wait, okay, I have a theory about this. 596 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: The Rams they try to close as much as possible 597 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: in terms of like their beat reporter rules, like you 598 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 2: cannot report on first or second or thirteen reps. You 599 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: cannot report on any scheme. Obviously, you can't report on 600 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: like anything people. 601 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: Say at practice. 602 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: They give you great access in terms of watching and 603 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: learning from it, but they're very strict. And that's a 604 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: Sean McVay thing, a paranoia thing. Most coaches are very 605 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: very paranoid. But it's it was so interesting. I kind 606 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: of think this was a little mind game because the Saints. 607 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: The Saints haven't really been super open about their practice either. 608 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: There's no at the practice Irvine, and so it's like, uh, 609 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: you know, Brandon Staley's over there. He kind of knows 610 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: how mcveigh's mind works and all of that. You know. Oh, 611 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you got you can't actually run your 612 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: offense because we're streaming it, you know, like any little 613 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: that's amazing. 614 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 4: It's sort of. 615 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 3: I'm just joking. 616 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: By the way. 617 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm going to get a d M or 618 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: a comment about how I should talk less because I'm 619 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: full of nonsense. 620 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, I love I love that idea, and I 621 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: love that the Saints they seem a little a little looser. 622 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: We heard from the media there a little more open 623 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: maybe with this new regime and allowing that is great 624 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: for the fans to watch. The downside is when it 625 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: starts going poorly. You know, I was texting with my 626 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: friend Adam, our friend Adam from the Saints Block Party podcast, 627 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: and he showed me, you know, the message thread on 628 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: his discord and everything, and people are apoplectic as they 629 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: can't you know, they're it's just a disastrous red zone 630 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: period where they can't get anything done. But on the 631 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: plus side, and I looked at all the reports and 632 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, we looked around and it really sounded like 633 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: the defenses on both sides of the ball really won. 634 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: So I'm calling this one a draw. Not enough information, 635 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: I need to be responsible. That the Saints actually moved 636 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the ball a little bit on offense, but it was 637 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: like they couldn't finish drives, but that the Rams offense 638 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: maybe had a little bit of a humbling moment after 639 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: what went on last week. And you could actually tell 640 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: by Sean mcvay's tone after practice. 641 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, always the Saints were. 642 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: The Saints defense was all over them too. 643 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, that brought me. I watched some of it. 644 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: It brought me back to twenty twenty when he would 645 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: come to the lectern and he would be furious because 646 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: Brandon Staley's defense had just kicked the crap out of 647 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: them all through practice in that truncated trading camp period. 648 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: And it's interesting. 649 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: I love that this was sort of a throwback because 650 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: we saw a really loose and connected and vibe defense 651 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: when we went to Saints practice last week. Was that 652 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: last week at this point and then and then, But 653 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: we've also seen a really strong RAMS defense emerge over 654 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: the last year and a couple months or so, and 655 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: especially hearing some pop out of some of the reserve 656 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: interior alignment Tyler Davis got some pop from my buddy 657 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: Adam Grosbard. It does a great job over on the 658 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: Rams beat, and it's just it's interesting that this was 659 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: more of a defensive battle, and. 660 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: You know that had to just grind Sean mcvay's gears 661 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: like no other. 662 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: It did, I mean, by the sound of it. 663 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: And I'm probably higher than consensus on this Saints defense 664 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: and lower than consensus even though not that a lot 665 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: of people are thinking about it about their running game. 666 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: This this is on my radar, and it sounded like 667 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: today they could not get anything done in their running 668 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: game and to me with with Rattler and Shuck battling 669 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: and by all accounts, Schuck is keeps elevating, keeps having 670 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: a good week, but rather is getting the first team reps, 671 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: he is getting more of the starter reps. And but 672 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: they both reportedly had had okay days today. 673 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 4: But if they don't have. 674 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: A running games like they are dead on a rival, 675 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: let's give some pop to the to the Saints coaching stuff. 676 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: I saw this clip today of the Mario Davis talking 677 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: to Kay Adams, and I was just like, wow, that's something. 678 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 6: This is is his show, Like he's the man. He's 679 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 6: coming in and he's sitting in a whole new president 680 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 6: and a whole new standard and it's a joy for 681 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 6: me to be able to be a part of it 682 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 6: and come to work each day. I mean, I am 683 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 6: a fan. I don't know if I've ever had a 684 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 6: coach who I was a fan of like and I 685 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 6: mean he is very impressive. 686 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: He is. 687 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 3: He is remarkably impressive. 688 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: And that's talking about Kellen Moore, not about your rest day, 689 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: and he goes on it's worth listening to the whole 690 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: thing of why you know he he's so impressive, but 691 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: the detail, the attitude, and I just love that from 692 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: a veteran. 693 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 4: All right, let's go onto the Falcons. 694 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: Titans don't have a ton here but scoring this one 695 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: from the Falcons. From all accounts, they just looked like 696 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: the more talented team overall, which is not too shocking 697 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: to me. And cam Ward and Calvin Ridley, that connection 698 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: reportedly is great. Your friend Tory who covers the team, right, Yeah, 699 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: Tory mclaney, I'm getting. 700 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 4: That right, you say it. 701 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: You almost got it. 702 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 4: Good for you, Greg, I mean you could help me 703 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 4: out here. It's your buddy. 704 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: This is so much more fun. Yeah, Tory covers the 705 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: Falcons for the Falcons. She does a great job. 706 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: And yet she noted, you know a couple of the 707 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: position battles where Xavier Watts, the rookie safety, looks like 708 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: he's winning that job. Probably d Alfred is winning the 709 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: nickelback job, Mike Q. So those are the sort of 710 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: things that can be illuminated in these joint practices. Who's 711 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: really getting the consistent starter wrapped? Various reports in camps 712 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: that James Pierce might be a little head of where 713 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: Jalen Walker is in terms of their two highly drafted 714 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 1: edge rushers, and then this was the most fight laden 715 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: practice so far that we've had. There there were brawls, 716 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: including one that started because after Michael Pennix had one 717 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: of his big touchdowns and supposedly their offense was looking 718 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: very good that the first day, he was talking his 719 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: stuff and it started a chain reaction and then he 720 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: was in the middle of it, like apparently really fighting, 721 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: which you don't you don't want with your quarterback. He 722 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: said that is unlike him, and that's maybe the first 723 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: time that's really happened with him, but that he's from Dade, 724 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: He's from Tampa Dade County, and that you can't mess 725 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: with him. And I like that when you start saying 726 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: where you're from that they better not mess with me 727 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: than you're for real. 728 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: I mean, you know me. I'm a big believer in 729 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: Mike Pennix. I think there was last year we were 730 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: just scratching the surface of every thing he can and 731 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: will be for that team, not just as a quarterback, 732 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 2: but as a leader and somebody who fires his teammates up. 733 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd was actually one of the first people to 734 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 2: draw our collective attention to the fact that Mike Pennix. Actually, 735 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: despite if he protests about this, does talk trash and 736 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: quite a lot of trash. 737 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 3: If he pops you on a play, he is going 738 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 3: to be talking to you. That's it. 739 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd sort of spilled the beans on that a 740 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and I'm not surprised at all 741 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: because when he goes he is so confident. Anyone who 742 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: watched his Washington tape and stayed up late to watch 743 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: those games would absolutely agree. 744 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 3: I'm excited. 745 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: I don't still don't know what this defense is going 746 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: to be, but like we mentioned before, this offense is 747 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: quite literally built to score points, so should expect that. 748 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm worried about the Titans, you know, when when the 749 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: reporters covering their team, I know, but when the reporters 750 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: covering the team are like, well, the Falcons are just 751 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: clearly more talented. I'm just and the Falcons are really 752 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: talented on offense. So and I think that was the 753 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: side of the ball that was maybe the most uneven, 754 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: was the Falcons offense winning. And then obviously you have 755 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback on the other side Texans and Panthers. 756 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 3: I like how you say Titans. By the way, can 757 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 3: you Titans? 758 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm over correcting because like the Western mass accent, if 759 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: there is one, is you don't pronounce the T. 760 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like Tim Newton. 761 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 2: You're like two seconds away from just getting really really 762 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 2: fired up and excited about e Fton Chisholm. So I 763 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 2: can understand you're trying to hold yourself back. Greg, I 764 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: get it. 765 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: Falcons Titans, Bye Bye Texans Panthers. I didn't realize like 766 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: how tight c J. Stroud and Bryce Young were. I 767 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: know they had the experience with the one and the 768 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 1: two pick, but I didn't realize like their friendship really 769 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: went back. 770 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: Further years to high school. Yeah, years, and so like. 771 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: You know, going through all those camps being those dudes. 772 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: It was just cool hearing them talk about each other 773 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 1: and c J. Stroud really just putting on his cape 774 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: for Bryce, which he has this whole time thing saying 775 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: he's one of the best qbs I've ever seen, which 776 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: is that's a bold statement, but that's a buddy, and 777 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: I think he believes it, and considering how good you 778 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: have to be to get to his level at his size, 779 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: I get what he means. My biggest takeaway here was 780 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: just Derek Brown is in full pads here and wrecking 781 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: shop apparently against the Texans run game. And they're just 782 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: bigger upfront this year, and I think that's something that's 783 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: been a. 784 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 4: Little bit slept on. 785 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: It was very hot there, Jordan, and it sounded like 786 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: a day there wasn't a winner. I'm I'm not gonna 787 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: call one here because it seemed like for the most 788 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: part the offenses were uneven but had their moments so 789 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: like slight edges to the defenses overall. But if the 790 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: Panthers are even competing against the Texans defense, then to me, 791 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: that's a win. 792 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that. 793 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 2: Go back, You guys would want to go back and 794 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: watch this clip. After Bryce Young was was drafted by 795 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 2: the Panthers, he like win in the back area, like 796 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: he didn't go rejoin his family quite yet. He waited 797 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 2: to hear the next picks, and when CJ. Stroud was picked, 798 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 2: nobody celebrated more. It was so endearing. One of my 799 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 2: favorite things I think I've seen in football, just how 800 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: pure and joyful the emotion was watching his friend. They 801 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 2: grew up battling each other's reputation, essentially like being compared 802 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 2: to each other. They grew up at these same quarterback camps, 803 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: they grew up with a lot of the same quarterbacks coaches, 804 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: and I really love that they got a chance to 805 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: reconnect with each other on the field. 806 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 3: That's pretty cool to me. 807 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: That's also what these joint practices and training camp is 808 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: all about from a life perspective, is pretty cool. 809 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: And this week particularly, it's where a lot of teams 810 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: are wrapping their training camp portion of camp, so a 811 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: lot of teams it was really their last day at 812 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: their location or with the current setup. Now, we still 813 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: got a while before the regular season, obviously, but I 814 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: think that was the case there in Houston. Just one 815 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: moment there stuck out to me where I think the 816 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: Texans had been struggling most of the day but got 817 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: it going late in the two minute offense and Christian 818 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: Kirk gets a big touchdown and C. J. Stroud is celebrating, 819 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: and I just think Kirk is going to be so 820 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: important to this team. They really need another veteran other 821 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: than Nego Collins because County on the rookies is a 822 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: lot and Demiko Ryans was the defensive coach. By the way, 823 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: I was thinking about sorry that I like Mike Crable 824 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: is spending all his time on the offense. 825 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 4: That's all he's doing is watching off. 826 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: I've heard really good things about those two Iowa State 827 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 2: guys that they specifically wanted to try to pair together, 828 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 2: Jalen Nol and Jayden Higgins. Heard really good things about 829 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 2: their camp, both of their camp so far. But to 830 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 2: your point, you do want to have a more established 831 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 2: player sort of setting the way alongside Nico Collins. 832 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 3: So but it is interesting. 833 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 2: I think they're going to end up with several very 834 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 2: good receivers, at least four, if not five, once other 835 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 2: guys get back from injury and all of that. 836 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals Broncos, I found it another day, another very hot day. 837 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: I found it very interesting that the takeaways here were 838 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: both offenses won, that both defenses really struggled with the 839 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: other team's offense. Now it sounded like maybe it was 840 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: more decisive by the Broncos offense. You know, they had 841 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: a seventy yard touchdown to Devon Veley, who stays in 842 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: that mix, and I mean, it just seems like he 843 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: is gonna stay there. And you've heard a lot about 844 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: Troy Franklin in this training camp. The second year player 845 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: and some of the Broncos reporters thinking like this was 846 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: bo Nicks's best day, maybe the offense's best day. So 847 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna score it by decision. This is tough. It 848 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: actually took three judges, Jordan, because it was that close. 849 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 1: Both offenses were great, and I'm basing on a limited 850 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: sample size, so don't get man, but I'm going with 851 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: the Broncos. This is where their effusive media maybe helped 852 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: them just by a little just the Broncos, but offense 853 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: is both winning. So that's good for Kyler and Marvin 854 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: Harrison too. 855 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 4: Supposedly they look good. 856 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah, twist my arm being excited about the Broncos. 857 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 4: I could I would never you know, like, yeah, that 858 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 4: your your video? 859 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: We cut for social that did that did numbers, joint 860 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: practice news for next week. Commander's Ravens canceled. Sorry, but 861 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: one that that did happen. Packers colts and this was 862 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: a defense has win on both sides of the butt. Now, 863 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of context is necessary, no, Jordan Love. 864 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: And then five of the top six Packers receivers are 865 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: out right now with various injuries, which you know, one 866 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: of them's Christian Watson, which we knew he's coming off 867 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: at torn acl one is seemingly serious. Jaden Reid, who 868 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: I believe is out of his walking boot, but seems 869 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: very iffy for week one. So your boy Matthew Golden 870 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: is the only one out there. And so yeah, they're 871 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: struggling to move the ball at all against a Colts 872 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: defense that has some talent. And then on the other side, 873 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: reportedly this is to me a bigger take, the Packers 874 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: defensive line just handled the Colts offensive line up front 875 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: and almost gave Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones no chance whatsoever. 876 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: And reading between the lines of all the reports, actually 877 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: it was Daniel Jones that maybe made the more rookie 878 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: like mistakes under all that pressure, which is not too 879 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: shocking to me, whereas Anthony Richardson was more just not 880 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: having an amazing day, but probably taking the sacks and 881 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: hitting some shorter passes. So maybe advantage Richardson on this day, 882 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: but mostly advantage defenses. So this one's a draw, the 883 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: defenses both win. 884 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I recall Shane Steichen a couple weeks 885 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 2: ago wanting to have more clarity, commenting he wanted to 886 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 2: have more clarity on where. 887 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 3: Their quarterback situation is by now doesn't sound like he's 888 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: getting much of it, so joy of joys. 889 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: Finally, the Raiders and the forty nine ers, they had 890 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: a joint practice, and I'm giving it to the forty 891 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: nine ers because it sounds like the Raiders defense, like 892 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: when I read something that Russell Gage is just having 893 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: his way with every Raiders cornerback. Russell Gage is bounced 894 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: around the league a little bit and is probably the 895 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: eighth most talented, you know, forty nine Ers receiver coming 896 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: into camp and is now like their number two or 897 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: their number three because nobody's healthy when he's dominating. And 898 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers offense had like big day for 899 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: your guy, Piersaw. You can honk about him if you want. 900 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: But Kittle McCaffrey, it sounds like both offenses had their moments, 901 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: including Gino that that was maybe closer to a draw. 902 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: So that's good for the Raiders' offense, but the Raiders defense, 903 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: no shock. We just talked about him a lot in 904 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: our last show. We don't need to repeat it. But 905 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: losing a lot to a team like the forty nine. 906 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 2: Ers, Yeah, Ted Winn a really great analyst over at 907 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 2: the Athletic was commenting on how good. 908 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 3: Ricky Piersal looked. 909 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,919 Speaker 2: So if listen, don't want to believe me, belief ted 910 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 2: Who's right about literally everything truly. 911 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 4: So I buy it. 912 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: And fantasy football related, we're going to have a draft, 913 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: by the way, next week, mock draft. You're famously not 914 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: a fantasy person. You are not going to be involved. 915 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 4: Don't worry. 916 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 2: I'm liking Ricky Peter. You could that could be a 917 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 2: Bay had a histamine day for me. How don't we 918 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 2: try it that way? 919 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 4: I would love it. 920 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: And a lot of times like the less specifically you 921 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: know about fantasy strategy where players are. 922 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 4: Going, the more. 923 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of an advantage because you know ball, 924 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: it's not that complicated and there's too much copycatting. It's 925 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: kind of like the poker player who doesn't go by 926 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 1: the rules sometimes messes up the rest of the table. 927 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: I think it would work if you want to know, 928 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: like where the Raiders defense is at. Though that trade 929 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: they made last week for Thomas Booker, who is like 930 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 1: the sixth defensive tackle on the Eagles. Pete Carroll confirmed 931 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: today that he absolutely might start on the Raiders that 932 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: he's played really well. He's been playing with the starters, 933 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: but it's probably not a great sign that like he's 934 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: coming over and he's immediately one of their better players, 935 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: and then you know, finally. 936 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 4: Cowboys Camp. 937 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: One thing I didn't mention on our YouTube exclusive, So 938 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: everyone go check out the YouTube exclusive. Some Cowboys takeaways, 939 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: had some good interviews. It was really fun up there 940 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: in Oxnard. And you know, if enough people complain, or 941 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: the bosses complaining, maybe we'll put it out over the 942 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: weekend as a podcast. I don't know, but for now 943 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: it's a YouTube exclusive. One thing I thought about watching 944 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons like ignoring a problem. Jordan, tell me if 945 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: you think this is true, Sometimes when things are really 946 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: going bad and there's like a big problem in your 947 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,959 Speaker 1: life or an interpersonal issue, sometimes if you just completely 948 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: ignore it, that actually is a like a great way 949 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: to handle it. I'm not even being sarcastic. It's a 950 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: productive way to handle it. Because it seems like the 951 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: Cowboys have completely ignored this man. It has kind of 952 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,479 Speaker 1: quieted down, and I think everything's going to be fine. 953 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 2: I don't know that I think that everything's gonna be 954 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,959 Speaker 2: fine based on the vibes when I was out there 955 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. But I will say it 956 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 2: is a bold strategy. Let's just go about pretending that 957 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 2: the best defensive player, certainly at his position, but one 958 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 2: of the best defensive players in the NFL right now, 959 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 2: is just wandering the sidelines and standing underneath the crazy 960 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 2: tower structure that Jerry Jones places himself in. 961 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: He's getting quality time with the special teamers. I don't 962 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: know how much he has to say to Brandon Aubrey, 963 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: but it was like him and the long snapper and 964 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: Aubrey and the punter just chatting for like thirty minutes. 965 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 4: So that's almost. 966 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 2: Like, like, are they trying to make him bored enough 967 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 2: to agree to a contract? Because like that, I don't 968 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 2: know that that's gonna work out for you. I just 969 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons is. You know, they've played this out with 970 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 2: other players in the past. Micah Parsons is a different dude. 971 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,760 Speaker 2: He uses social media in a different way. He uses 972 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 2: his platform, his own podcast in a different way. He's 973 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 2: represented by David Mulligeta, an agent who does things often 974 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 2: in a very different way and in a way that 975 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 2: puts his players to an advantage. This is this is 976 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 2: gonna be I think, yes, it is a it is 977 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 2: it's a strategy. 978 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 4: Okay. 979 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: I guess I meant like, well, if nothing else, no 980 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: one's talking about it for these couple of weeks. 981 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 2: And fatigue, people are like, oh my god, it's still 982 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:34,959 Speaker 2: the same. 983 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: I just sort of forgot it even existed until I 984 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: saw that number eleven across the field and I was like, wait, 985 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: is that Michael. 986 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's still here. 987 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: Okay. So look, I'm loving this show. It's nice, it's loose. 988 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: It's feeling like you took an anti hist toy. I 989 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: thought like we needed more to this show, so I 990 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 1: had added all the possible cuts and trades. We're gonna 991 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: fly through those at the end of the show because 992 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: I think that's just good in But before that, just 993 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,399 Speaker 1: a couple of news items for you, Jordan, and these 994 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: are there's not much to add on these, so I'm 995 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: just gonna let the people know so that they know 996 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: that the chiefs Wide Receiver Rushi Rice is expected to 997 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: have a disciplinary hearing with the NFL on September thirtieth 998 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: regarding his potential suspension that's coming from the crash that 999 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: resulted in two third degree felony Chargers. And that's all 1000 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: according to our insiders Ian Rappaport and Tom Pellisero. And 1001 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this exactly, and you know 1002 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: what it is. It's because the player Association and Rice 1003 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: are appealing the suspension and the NFL they could not 1004 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: come to an agreement. Usually they do and things are 1005 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: changed on appeal, and there's no agreement. And so how 1006 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: that works is they have to have a hearing and 1007 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: that won't be till September thirtieth, so he will be 1008 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 1: eligible to play in the first four games of the season. 1009 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: They play the Chargers, Eagles, Giants, and Ravens to start 1010 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: the season. Any likely suspension is just kind of figuring 1011 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: out how long the suspension is going to be, would 1012 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: have to come after that. If you're a Chiefs fan, 1013 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting because Eagles and Ravens two of 1014 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: the hardest games you'll have all season, and Chargers the 1015 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: most important divisional opponent all season technically in away game 1016 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: because they're in Brazil. I guess you're going to get 1017 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: him for four games, Like, that's not a bad four 1018 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: game stretch to have him. Then he'll go away for 1019 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 1: some time to be determined later and he'll come back. 1020 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: In other legal news, the US Court of Appeals for 1021 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: the Second Circuit found that certain claims made by Brian Flores, 1022 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: the former Dolphins coach now the Vikings coordinator, should not 1023 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,320 Speaker 1: be sent to arbitration. It's a ruling that basically says 1024 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: that the chargers made by Flores against the Giants, the Broncos, 1025 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: the Texans, and the NFL in total should proceed in court. 1026 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: So that's going to be a court date in the future. 1027 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: One person that will not be having a court date 1028 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: in the future, we learned is Quinchawn Junkins, so that 1029 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: this is definitely something that the Browns will be interested 1030 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: to find out. Their rookie running back will not face 1031 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: charges for misdemeanor battery after prosecutors decided not to move forward. 1032 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: According to the Broward County Attorney's Office memo obtained by 1033 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: NFL media on Thursday, now he was arrested. There were 1034 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: various reasons listed why they declined to proceed, believing that 1035 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: they could not have a conviction. Primarily there's no video evidence. 1036 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: There were other reasons, but that gives the NFL a 1037 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: bit of an answer and now they can proceed with 1038 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: how they possibly want to suspend Junkins or not. We'll 1039 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 1: see he's still unsigned. All right, we're gonna we're gonna 1040 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: go to the cuts in the trades. That's just like 1041 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 1: getting the business out of the way. 1042 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 3: Hypotheticals. Let's not make anyone panic here. 1043 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 4: What these cuts in the trades yet? 1044 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 3: Hypotheticals? 1045 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,240 Speaker 4: That was the hard news. 1046 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: This is my speculation that I love a little irresponsible. 1047 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,399 Speaker 3: It's great, that's my favorite part of greg season. You can't. 1048 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,439 Speaker 2: You just can't go too many weeks in a row 1049 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,840 Speaker 2: without speculating on trades, specifically trades. Cuts you could do whenever. 1050 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,800 Speaker 2: I think you could take or leave cuts, but trades. 1051 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,800 Speaker 2: You love a trade. 1052 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,399 Speaker 1: Okay, well, then let's start with the team you just watched, 1053 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 1: the Patriots. They, weirdly, I think have the most amount 1054 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: of notable players that could be cut or traded, at 1055 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: least that I could come up with. Kendrick Bourne is 1056 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: hurt right now. Could he have a market at the 1057 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 1: contract that he had for a team like San Francisco, 1058 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: like a like a late round pick swap market. Maybe 1059 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: I think he'll be on an NFL roster like he 1060 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: could certainly make the forty nine ers right now. He 1061 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: could make the Saints right now. I think he will 1062 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: be on a team. I don't think that team's going 1063 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: to be the Patriots personally. Jalen Polk, a second round 1064 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 1: pick from a year ago. I absolutely think a team 1065 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,479 Speaker 1: out there could want to rehab his career. The problem 1066 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: is he has an injury. We don't know how serious 1067 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: that injury is. Anferdy Jennings has a lot of good 1068 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: tape and some people that he's coached under played under rather. 1069 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,839 Speaker 1: I think he could absolutely be on a team this year. 1070 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to make the Patriots. 1071 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: And then I know you saw Kyle Dugger. Well what 1072 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: did you see from Kyle Dugger the last couple of days? 1073 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so. 1074 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 2: The second day of practice was when I mostly was 1075 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 2: able to watch Kyle Dugger. And then the defense collectively 1076 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 2: seems a little bit like an augment out and gave 1077 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 2: up a couple plays as well, including a touchdown. So 1078 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,839 Speaker 2: that's tough, right. I mean talking to the Beat writers too, 1079 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 2: they very much think that a trade, that he is 1080 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,839 Speaker 2: a big trade candidate. The contract makes anything a little 1081 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 2: bit tricky. But there was a lot of conversation about 1082 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 2: how Mike Vrabel has methodically moved away from some, if 1083 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 2: not all, most of the Belichick era the late Belichick 1084 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:59,359 Speaker 2: era players and has sort of wanted to reinfuse his 1085 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 2: own guys, guys he's familiar with guys that they drafted. Specifically, 1086 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 2: Mike Rabel is drafting or having a large say in drafting. 1087 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 2: So I definitely think among all these guys, he's certainly 1088 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 2: someone to watch. The Jalen Polk situation is interesting because 1089 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 2: of the injury, it might be more beneficial for the team, 1090 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 2: and because of the nature he's still on his rookie 1091 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,360 Speaker 2: contract to ir him for the year, season ending IR 1092 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 2: and then sort of revisit the topic in the in 1093 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 2: the spring, especially considering you know, they don't really know 1094 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 2: how the rest of this receiver's room is going to 1095 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 2: pan out. 1096 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 4: That that makes a lot of sense. 1097 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: And Duggar is a guy who played with such aggression 1098 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,799 Speaker 1: the thing I don't love to hear and will make 1099 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: it tough to trade. If they traded him, they have 1100 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 1: to take on like the guaranteed money in this contract. 1101 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: He has a lot of money do him this year. 1102 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: I think it's eight or nine guarant they would have 1103 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: to take on a lot of that money, and the 1104 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: other team would would potentially take on the rest. Is 1105 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,359 Speaker 1: that an aggressive player who's had a couple surgeries now 1106 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: and maybe he is just not able to play with 1107 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: the same sort of life level of explosion that he 1108 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: did before. I'll be irresponsible here. This is probably more 1109 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,400 Speaker 1: of an in season trade, but I do think Tyreek 1110 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,600 Speaker 1: Hill is a guy that Jeremy Fowler, a reporter for ESPN, 1111 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: said that other teams around the league are talking a 1112 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,760 Speaker 1: lot about Tyreek Hill, whether this guy could be available. 1113 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,279 Speaker 1: I think if you're just looking at like a big 1114 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: old name, that it's like, oh, that's a that's a surprise. 1115 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,399 Speaker 1: It won't be a surprise. You want to know why 1116 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 1: Jordan's why Greg? Because you listened to NFL daily, Yeah 1117 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:35,399 Speaker 1: you could. 1118 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 4: You could kind of found out. 1119 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 2: A lot of people found out, you know, on the 1120 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 2: ground in Minnesota, a lot of people, a lot of 1121 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 2: I'm stoked to hear how many I was there for 1122 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,279 Speaker 2: the athletic I was stoked to hear how many how 1123 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 2: many listeners are around? 1124 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,719 Speaker 4: You know, like, who are we talking? Media? 1125 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 3: I'm not telling you you already know. I told you already. 1126 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you, not going to say it. 1127 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,399 Speaker 3: I already told you you're baiting me. I already told 1128 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 3: you not going to do it, not going to to 1129 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 3: do it. 1130 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,839 Speaker 1: Let's go big names down. Remember Trey Hendrickson, he's still 1131 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,280 Speaker 1: holding out. I don't I don't really think the Bengals 1132 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: would consider trading him or cutting him, but I just 1133 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,239 Speaker 1: wanted to mention he he is out there. 1134 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,359 Speaker 4: Will Will Kenny Pickkett actually make the Browns? 1135 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 2: Like? 1136 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 4: Why why keep four quarterbacks? 1137 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,839 Speaker 1: Maybe he can enter this race again next week, but 1138 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: by then the race is over. It's going to be 1139 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,479 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. That's that's I'm breaking the news right now. 1140 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: That's not official. No one's literally, no one's reporting that. 1141 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,319 Speaker 1: I would, you know, stand on the tiny table. Let's 1142 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: put it that way and say Joe Flacco is starting 1143 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 1: week one, So then like, why keep Penny Kenny pick 1144 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a trade, this is more 1145 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: of a cut probably. 1146 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,760 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I still think Dylan Gabriel's potential trade 1147 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 2: target because he people did inquire reportedly about into him 1148 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,240 Speaker 2: ahead of the draft or during the draft and after 1149 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,839 Speaker 2: the draft, and honestly Shador Greg, I gotta say I'm 1150 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,600 Speaker 2: kind of proud of us. I will say this, like 1151 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,239 Speaker 2: I'm going to do the thing that's pretty annoying, not 1152 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 2: just where I toot our on horn or pat o 1153 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 2: yourselves on the back. We're wearing matching shirts, by the way. 1154 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if the listener knew that. It's like 1155 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 2: we're starting to emerge into one mind. And I'm a 1156 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 2: little concerned about that. But it's like Shador was exactly 1157 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 2: if you watched him and you sort of understood, kind 1158 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,520 Speaker 2: of you're not thinking reaching for the moon and the 1159 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 2: stars with this guy. But he's got some tools, he's 1160 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,239 Speaker 2: got some traits. Like I always said, he reminded me 1161 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,400 Speaker 2: of pre pre pre pre Go get the bag, Shanahan system, 1162 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, some of the trades and the tools, the 1163 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 2: short throws, the mid range throws, and the way that 1164 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 2: he can move a little bit, the calmness that he 1165 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,960 Speaker 2: plays with. And and if you're if that guy is 1166 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 2: emerging in a way that's natural and all of that, 1167 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,360 Speaker 2: and you want to keep him, then there was already 1168 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 2: reported interest in another guy on your roster who seems 1169 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 2: to be struggling at times in camp too. 1170 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 3: You know, so. 1171 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett might be a cut candidate, but I still 1172 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,320 Speaker 2: think that Dylan Gabriel might be a trade candidate. 1173 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 4: Wow, I'd be stunned, I really would. 1174 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that that you're not right here that it 1175 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: would be possible. I'd only be stunned because how should 1176 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,359 Speaker 1: I put this? I have tried to ask around about this. 1177 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: It's like, Look, they took him in the third round 1178 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,879 Speaker 1: for a reason. That's not I think you can say 1179 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: from the outside without knowing anything like, that's not one 1180 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: where Jimmy Haslam is coming into the room and saying, 1181 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 1: take then Gabriel, Right, So the biggest decision makers on 1182 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: the team have a belief in him. 1183 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,800 Speaker 4: And so that's that's all I'm saying. 1184 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,920 Speaker 2: And I know of teams who are not the Browns, 1185 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 2: who are not the Rams. Just kind of put that 1186 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 2: out there because I think it's well documented by now 1187 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 2: that I was able to be in their draft spaces, 1188 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 2: but like not the Rams, not and who are also 1189 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,960 Speaker 2: not the Browns. Other teams that were interested were looking 1190 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 2: at him closely as somebody they wanted to bring in 1191 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 2: their backup quarterbacks room as a developmental prospect. Likes how 1192 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 2: he throws on time, likes how a lot of the 1193 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 2: concepts he ran in Oregon are very similar to a 1194 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 2: lot of the system stuff that we see prevalent around. 1195 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 3: The league right now. 1196 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 2: This was a thing that was you know, it had 1197 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 2: not I wouldn't say relevant buzz, but it had. There 1198 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 2: were teams who were definitely looking at him prior to 1199 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:06,920 Speaker 2: the drift. 1200 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm putting a few one and one together there, but 1201 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240 Speaker 1: they just seemed like they would seem like they were 1202 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 1: so lost in the sauce if they're trading their third 1203 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: round pick after the camp, but they that is where 1204 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: they are. This is the organizations. As I've mentioned now 1205 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: for the one hundredth time on some podcast over the 1206 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,880 Speaker 1: last decade plus, that Charlie Frye uh started Week one 1207 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,919 Speaker 1: four and they traded him before Week two, an all 1208 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: time quarterback battle moment. I mean, I know it was 1209 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: a long time ago, but that's it'll never top that 1210 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,120 Speaker 1: he didn't make it out of the first half Jordan 1211 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 1: of Week one, he was benched I think it was 1212 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: before halftime or at halftime of Week one, the starting 1213 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: Week one quarterback, and then they were so embarrassed about 1214 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: it they traded him before Week two that it's crazy. 1215 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: That's what's said. So so I guess anything's possible. That's amazing. 1216 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: It's still am amazed. I was at Cowboys practice and 1217 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: I was wondering, does Miles Sanders and Javonte Williams make 1218 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: this team? So that could be like a quote unquote 1219 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,919 Speaker 1: surprise cut, like one of those two guys. Tevon Diggs 1220 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 1: would be a very difficult guy to trade. That would 1221 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,840 Speaker 1: probably be more in the season, but he could he 1222 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: be on. 1223 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 4: The way out. 1224 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,080 Speaker 1: I just I just go through the rosters and I 1225 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,040 Speaker 1: just look at names that like I can't see there 1226 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, and they think, like, Okay, I'm 1227 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 1: not sure about Travon Diggs. There just that's this one. 1228 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 1: I threw out, total speculation, but that's they connect. How 1229 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,160 Speaker 1: about Juwan Jennings getting like a little uglier there in 1230 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: San Francisco, And I don't think they're not a team 1231 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: that has traded They need Juan Jennings. And yet this 1232 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: one would seem more possible to me than the normal 1233 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 1: forty nine ers situation because he is not going to 1234 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 1: be one of their top receivers next year. They want 1235 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 1: Pearcell and Ayuk to be and they don't want to 1236 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: pay him the money. Tim Kawakami reported that he's looking 1237 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,400 Speaker 1: for twenty million dollars a year and they're like, I 1238 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,000 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to get anywhere near that. 1239 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 2: No, And he has been sort of dealing with what 1240 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 2: the team is calling a calf injury. But what Kyle 1241 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 2: Shanahan is sort of like sneering at when he's at 1242 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,240 Speaker 2: the lectern, they you know, you got to ask him. 1243 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 2: He told me it's a calf And really the subtext 1244 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,840 Speaker 2: of the contract is sort of simmering under all of this. 1245 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 2: I think multiple things are true here. I think he 1246 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,440 Speaker 2: has one hundred percent right and fair to want to 1247 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,920 Speaker 2: get his contract redone right now because because of Brandon 1248 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,200 Speaker 2: Ayuk's injury and that taking the recovery now taking a 1249 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,520 Speaker 2: while into the season are projected to with still no 1250 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,240 Speaker 2: real actual timeline for that. Then yes, absolutely, if you're 1251 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,040 Speaker 2: being expected to step into a bigger role, you should 1252 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,560 Speaker 2: ask for more money. That's just you should be doing 1253 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,480 Speaker 2: that as a human. But it's also tough because the 1254 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,280 Speaker 2: emergence of Ricky Piarsal it's not just buzz, it's a 1255 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 2: real thing. I saw it with my own eyes. Other 1256 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,560 Speaker 2: people are seeing it with their own eyes. 1257 01:00:58,840 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 3: It's a real thing. 1258 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 2: Now. I don't I don't know that he's like gonna 1259 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 2: be the full time one, especially not when Brandon Nyuk. 1260 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 3: Is back, but it practices. 1261 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 2: They're putting him in prototypical one position without Juwan Jennings, 1262 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 2: without Brandon Nyuk there at the same time, Christian McCaffrey 1263 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 2: in the passing game, George Kittle in the passing game, 1264 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 2: your offense is bread and butter is still going to 1265 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 2: run through those guys, especially in the past game. 1266 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 3: So it's a pretty. 1267 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,919 Speaker 2: Difficult situation to be in if you're Juwan Jennings. While 1268 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 2: he is very much should be doing this in terms 1269 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,960 Speaker 2: of trying to get what he can and what he 1270 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 2: should get being asked to be in this position, but 1271 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 2: it might get, like you said, it might get a 1272 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 2: little uglier before we're through here. 1273 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Would a team give up a third round pick for 1274 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 1: John Jennings in a contract? 1275 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 4: Maybe? 1276 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,800 Speaker 3: I guess it depends on what his actual number is. 1277 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 3: I mean, there's you know, it really does. 1278 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 1: If you would take if you would take two for 1279 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 1: thirty six, something like that seems fair to me. 1280 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,120 Speaker 4: Two for thirty two third round pick. 1281 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it was Belichick's later days. But we've seen 1282 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: trades like this before, Like they gave up a second 1283 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,040 Speaker 1: for most Anew in the middle of the season, like 1284 01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 1: a late career mosts Anew. So it happens, Jowan Jennings 1285 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,200 Speaker 1: is worth a lot, there'd be a lot of interest 1286 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,160 Speaker 1: in Juwan Jennings. Yeah, I believe, all right, just ripping 1287 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: through a bunch of these names I wrote down they 1288 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 1: are just notable when they when they started Travis Etn 1289 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 1: in the preseason game and played them a lot, even 1290 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 1: though in reports in training camp he's kind of been 1291 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,560 Speaker 1: in the backup. I was like, is that a showcase situation? 1292 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,000 Speaker 1: Travis DTN is on the list? Eric Armstead that would 1293 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,480 Speaker 1: be more of a cut, just hasn't been able to 1294 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,160 Speaker 1: get on the field. 1295 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 4: Who knows. 1296 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 1: Marcus Valdez scantling maybe getting boxed out by our guy 1297 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,880 Speaker 1: Tory Horton in Seattle. I could see him being a cut. 1298 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Trey Brown kind of falling down the depth chart in 1299 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco. Trent Brown hasn't been healthy the offensive tackle 1300 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: for the Texans. Luke McCaffrey. You know, because of the 1301 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: connections between like Adam Peters and yeah, Adam Peters, like, 1302 01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't think they'd want to cut him, but it 1303 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: sounds like like if it wasn't for the third round 1304 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,919 Speaker 1: pick status, he probably would be a problematic whether whether 1305 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,200 Speaker 1: he makes the team or not. Deontay Banks, Jalen Hyatt, 1306 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,120 Speaker 1: those would be surprises with the Giants, but you know, 1307 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 1: maybe a trade or a cut. Sky Moore Peyton Turner 1308 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,120 Speaker 1: is with the Cowboys. Former first round pick of the Saints. 1309 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Isaiah Fosky is a guy who is taken quite high 1310 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,840 Speaker 1: in the second round just a few years ago. I 1311 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,760 Speaker 1: don't think he's making that Saints team. So that's always 1312 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: interesting that the people that you passed up for him. 1313 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 1: Our friend Adam had reported that other members of that 1314 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 1: front office Jeff Ireland specifically wanted to take Brian Branch 1315 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,480 Speaker 1: there and Mickey Loomis came over the top and made 1316 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 1: them take five whoops, and yeah that's it. 1317 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,240 Speaker 4: Uh I. My eyes are on the. 1318 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Joe Mixon situation, but it wouldn't make sense to cut 1319 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,960 Speaker 1: or trade him because like, what would the point be. 1320 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,760 Speaker 3: No one's got to trade for situation, isn't it. 1321 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 2: It's like, is that unless I missed something massive today 1322 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 2: was just an injury situation. Yeah, I know, Like I mean, 1323 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,240 Speaker 2: he's still he's had some of his best. 1324 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,320 Speaker 3: Year. You know, he's best time there when he's healthy. 1325 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,200 Speaker 2: So I just hate it for him because that was 1326 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,560 Speaker 2: so out of his control, the hip drop that got 1327 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 2: him hurt before and then having a setback. 1328 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,120 Speaker 3: I just it just s thinks, you know. 1329 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Good player, those are your potential cut candidates. 1330 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,960 Speaker 2: This great candidates, the list of Greg hypotheticals. 1331 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,560 Speaker 1: Well, we're twelve days away as we're taping this, Jordan, 1332 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the cuts are the trade. So maybe 1333 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,000 Speaker 1: this segment would have made more sense next week as 1334 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 1: we got even closer, but I wanted to be the 1335 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:39,680 Speaker 1: first to do it. 1336 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,120 Speaker 4: And I enjoyed this. 1337 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 1: I enjoyed going around all these joint practices and hearing 1338 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:47,520 Speaker 1: how Minnesota is. 1339 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,000 Speaker 4: Where do you? Where do you go next? 1340 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,080 Speaker 3: I go to Washington next. So hopefully Luke McCaffrey doesn't. 1341 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,120 Speaker 2: Listen to this podcast, so no, I go to Washington next. 1342 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,440 Speaker 2: I'm really excited because a couple conversations scheduled there about 1343 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 2: topics that interest me greatly, as some of the schematic 1344 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,320 Speaker 2: shifts and trends we're seeing in the league, and I 1345 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 2: hope to be able to formally tell Frankie Lubu that 1346 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,920 Speaker 2: he is the official favorite player of NFL Daily from 1347 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,200 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season. 1348 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,040 Speaker 4: So let's go. 1349 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to qualify it with twenty 1350 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,840 Speaker 1: twenty four because then that, you know, it makes it 1351 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 1: sound like we're dumping him. We're staying with Frankie. 1352 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:22,880 Speaker 2: No. 1353 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,640 Speaker 3: No, I mean we'd like to stay with him. It's 1354 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,200 Speaker 3: an aspirational twenty twenty five guys, it's wide open any takers. 1355 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 3: You know, Fair probably shouldn't have said that on a 1356 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:31,840 Speaker 3: recorded podcast. 1357 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 4: Stay tuned to this bag. 1358 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,720 Speaker 1: So I mentioned the YouTube of the Cowboys camp, so 1359 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 1: you guys can check that out. We will be back 1360 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:47,680 Speaker 1: here on the NFL Daily Feed Sunday night, Nick Shook 1361 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:52,560 Speaker 1: an Eye breaking down all the preseason week too takeaways. 1362 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:57,479 Speaker 1: You will also hear a forties in free Agent show 1363 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,880 Speaker 1: from me and Dana Jeremiah in your key in the meantime. 1364 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 4: So we're cranking along Jordans. 1365 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: Jordan's all over the country, but she'll be back when 1366 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,320 Speaker 1: training camp's over. She'll just we're keeping her in that studio. 1367 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 1: But yes, uh, training camps are kind of ending, and 1368 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,520 Speaker 1: that's an ultimate football's back