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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in final hour of the week, fourteen hours up.

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Speaker 1: This is the fifteenth hour.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate many of you who have spent all fifteen

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Speaker 2: hours with us so far this week as we've been

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Speaker 2: tracking the biggest stories in the country and around the world.

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Speaker 2: We're joined now by Julie Kelly to break down the

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Speaker 2: latest on the Proud Boys trial, where that stands, what's

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Speaker 2: going on with the January sixth defendant, and how it

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Speaker 2: all ties in with Donald Trump. So, Julie, what can

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Speaker 2: you tell us about the convictions that occurred this week

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Speaker 2: of the Proud Boys for seditious conspiracy and how you

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Speaker 2: believe that ties in with what the Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: is going to try to do as it relates to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Hi, guys, thanks for having me on. So yesterday, after

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Speaker 3: a four months trial, about five or so days of deliberations,

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Speaker 3: a jury in Washington, DC came act with four convictions

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Speaker 3: of four members of the Proud Voice. Five were on trial.

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Speaker 3: Four members convicted of seditious conspiracy and other conspiracy counts,

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Speaker 3: including obstruction of an official preceding one defendant Dominic Pazzola

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Speaker 3: was found not guilty of two of the conspiracies, including

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Speaker 3: seditious conspiracy. This brings the total number of January sixth defendants,

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Speaker 3: both convicted or having accepted plea deals fourteen January six

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Speaker 3: ers American citizens Trump supporters convicted now of a post

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Speaker 3: civil war statute. No Americans ever been convicted of it

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Speaker 3: until the January sixth criminal prosecution. Now we have fourteen

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Speaker 3: Trump supporters who have now been convicted of this count

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Speaker 3: that is synonymous to treason. The reason why it is

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Speaker 3: poses such a great legal threat to Donald Trump is

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Speaker 3: this now bolsters Special Prosecutor Jack Smith's attempts if he

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Speaker 3: pursues them to get a grandeury indictment against Trump for

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Speaker 3: the same charge of seditious conspiracy. You might recall that

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Speaker 3: the January sixth Select Committee, they didn't send a criminal

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Speaker 3: referral on seditious conspiracy, but they suggested in their report

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Speaker 3: that DOJ should consider that charge against Trump, and specifically

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Speaker 3: mentioned convictions in the oath Keeper's case and the pending

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Speaker 3: trial of the Proud Boys. So that's where I suspect

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Speaker 3: this is headed.

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Speaker 1: Julie, it's buck. We really appreciate you being with us

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Speaker 1: as always. Can you just tell us, because I was

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Speaker 1: able to see some fragments here and there, about the

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Speaker 1: specifics of what these individuals you've told us, what the

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Speaker 1: charges are and the jury findings on them. What is

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Speaker 1: it that they supposedly did? And in one case my

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Speaker 1: understanding and if this is incorrect, I know you'll update this.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I like being able to ask you

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Is that somebody wasn't even in DC at all,

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Speaker 1: one of these individuals on January sixth? What is it

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Speaker 1: that they supposedly did and were now convicted.

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Speaker 3: Of what they did? Clay and buck Is have a

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Speaker 3: lot of text messages in encrypted group chats, which by

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Speaker 3: We know there were at least eight, that's what the

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Speaker 3: government stipulated in this case. I suspect that there were dozens.

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Speaker 3: But all of the evidence basically was chats on parlor

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Speaker 3: and chats and group chats, posts and group chats that

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Speaker 3: talked about stopping the steal, attending the rallies in November

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Speaker 3: and December, planning to go to January sixth, talking about

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Speaker 3: seventeen seventy six, talking about a possible war, that Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden was not legitimately elected, et cetera, et cetera. That

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Speaker 3: was the evidence. How do you overthrow the government, which

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Speaker 3: is the essence of seditious conspiracy when you bring no weapons?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, is it correct based on the court documents,

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Speaker 1: this amount of record that the prosecution didn't even allege

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Speaker 1: that these individuals on the seditious conspiracy charge had come

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Speaker 1: up with a plan for the conspiracy and the sedition?

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Speaker 1: Am I missing something?

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Speaker 3: No, you're not. You're exactly right. And to get back

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Speaker 3: to your first question. Enrique Ontario, the group's leader, was

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Speaker 3: in Baltimore on January sixth. He had been arrested on

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Speaker 3: January fourth for an altercation back in December. He was arrested,

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Speaker 3: ordered to leave Washington, which he did. But he's still

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Speaker 3: convicted of seditious conspiracy. So what exactly was this case about?

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Speaker 3: It was about these texts. It was about people who

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Speaker 3: didn't really know each other meeting up on January sixth,

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Speaker 3: marching from the Washington Monument to the Capitol. They stopped

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Speaker 3: at food trucks on their way there. Yes, they didn't

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Speaker 3: One of them smashed in a window with a riot shield.

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Speaker 3: That is the totality of the case. And so but

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Speaker 3: this is the slippery slope. And as we've all talked

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Speaker 3: about the obstruction of an official preceding felony, this is

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Speaker 3: the bastardization weaponization of laws that have nothing to do

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Speaker 3: weaponizing them to criminalize political dissent, and they're doing it

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Speaker 2: You said one hundred and ten percent chance that you

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Speaker 2: believe the Department of Justice was going to charge Trump.

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Speaker 2: You also put out a tweet saying that you laid

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Speaker 2: out basically probably the argument that Department of Justice is

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Speaker 2: going to use now that they have these seditious conspiracy

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Speaker 2: all in motion with a tweet that he sent on

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Speaker 2: even more you said one hundred and ten percent. How

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Speaker 2: much more convinced are you now based on these convictions

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Speaker 2: that charges against Trump are coming, and what do you

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Speaker 3: So I'm still over one hundred percent confident that they

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Speaker 3: a seventy percent chance that they'll go for seditious conspiracy

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Speaker 3: indictment against him. But to your point, the tweet that

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump posted on December nineteenth, come to the rally

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Speaker 3: on January sixth, will be wild. The government said that

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Speaker 3: that date was when this alleged conspiracy began, and they

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Speaker 3: group was then starting to conspire to commit sedition. But

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Speaker 3: going back even further, the very first clip that the

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Speaker 3: the Proud Boys committing violence or trying to overthrow Congress.

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Speaker 3: It was Donald Trump's comment in the September twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Chris Wallace to condemn white supremacist militia groups. And he

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Speaker 3: who said the Proud Boys. So Trump said Proud Boys

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Speaker 3: stand back and stand by that clip was played. It

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Speaker 3: was also mentioned in the official press release that came

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Speaker 3: out today by the Department of Justice that that comment

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Speaker 3: spurred on the Proud Boys led to a big surge

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Speaker 3: to overthrow the government. On January sixth, DJ put that

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Speaker 3: It is warning shot to not just Trump but people

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Speaker 3: And look that the language and I posted this on

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Speaker 3: instructions are were extremely vague. It's not just that you're

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Speaker 3: trying to overthrow the government by force. It is prevent

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Speaker 3: delay or hinder execution of a government law. Now think

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Speaker 3: of how this could apply to past and certainly future

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Speaker 3: political protests. So in not even force, the force part

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Speaker 3: of it was never proven and doesn't have to be

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Speaker 3: proven according to the jury instructions. So if you yell

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Speaker 3: at a police officer in service of a political protest,

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Speaker 3: that's by force trying to commit feditious conspiracy. If you

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Speaker 3: delay a congressional hearing, say, or a confirmation hearing anything

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Speaker 3: that we've seen, especially in the past five or six

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Speaker 3: really the very discouraging way that these judges, quite frankly,

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Speaker 3: nonetheless are being used to criminalize political dissent and punish

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Speaker 3: Trump supporters for protesting his election that day.

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Speaker 1: Julie, you're certainly looking very precient with your six months

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Speaker 1: ago telling us you think they're going to bring They've

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Speaker 1: already brought us. We know a criminal charge against Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump that rubicon has been crossed, but the federal criminal

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Speaker 1: charge up to and including possibly a seditious conspiracy charge

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Speaker 1: against the likely next Republican nominee. What do you think

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Speaker 1: their timeline is for this and also do you believe

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Speaker 1: that they want to and would if they can lock

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump up? I mean, these proud boys are facing

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Speaker 1: twenty years in prison from what I understand.

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Speaker 3: Not only are they facing up to twenty years in prison,

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Speaker 3: possibly more, they've already been in prison since the spring

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Speaker 3: really winter of twenty twenty one. This was even before

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Speaker 3: they were charged with seditious conspiracy when they were just

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Speaker 3: charged with obstruction and regular conspiracy. Judge Tim Kelly denied

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Speaker 3: their bail. They were in jail almost two years as

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Speaker 3: So there's precedent for both obstruction and seditious conspiracy for

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Speaker 3: the government to come in ask for pre trialed attention,

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Speaker 3: meaning deny bail for Donald Trump or anyone else charged

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Speaker 3: with these crimes. And these judges Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama

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Speaker 3: process crime. This is a very dangerous I wish I

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Speaker 3: was not exaggerating, but you guys know because you're so.

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for covering my work. I've covered this

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Speaker 3: for more than two years, and what's happening in that

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Speaker 3: DC Courthouse is getting work than when I first started

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Speaker 3: covering it. It is the Marxist Banana republic style. Whether

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Speaker 3: it's a Republican judge, Democrat one where these prosecutors come from,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. They are all in cahoots to punish

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Speaker 3: will be Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: When do you think the time frame Julie would be

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Speaker 1: on an indictment?

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Speaker 3: You know, Jack Smith is uh he he had Mike

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Speaker 3: Pence last week testified before the grand jury for January sixth.

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Speaker 3: I think he's getting close to the end. I think

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Speaker 3: that this will kind of wrap up sort of loose

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Speaker 3: doubt that it would be as quickly as May could be.

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Speaker 3: June could be July. But anyone who thinks that this

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Speaker 3: Department of Justice or Jack Smith is going to abide

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Speaker 3: by long stand you know, long standing traditions of you know,

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Speaker 3: not pursuing police prosecutions in election years or et cetera.

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Speaker 3: None of that matters. The rule of law doesn't matter,

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Speaker 3: the Constitution doesn't matter, Decency does not matter to these people.

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Speaker 3: They are vengeful, reckless, and they have bloodlust in them

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Speaker 3: that it shocks me every day to see it. And

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Speaker 3: so if I pray that I'm wrong, but I don't

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Speaker 3: think that I am.

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Speaker 2: Julie, you have killed it, continue to do so, covering

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Speaker 2: all of these cases. We will have you on again

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Speaker 2: soon go follow Julie Kelly on Twitter and thank you

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Speaker 2: for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks rolis having me on guys, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That is Julie Kelly.

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Speaker 2: What would you do if you didn't have access to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. This in

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Speaker 2: and of itself is a wild story that has been

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Speaker 2: Because I don't think he's been officially fired by Fox News.

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Speaker 2: They started to leak and we've been talking about this,

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Speaker 1: So fuck.

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Speaker 2: I present you with two options here, both of which

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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, most people will attribute the leak.

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Speaker 1: As a latte drinking CIA analyst.

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Speaker 2: That undercuts this as the most esteemed member of the

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Speaker 1: Mean Jack Bauer slash Jack Ryan got nothing on me. No,

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Speaker 1: I would say the chance that this is coming from

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Speaker 1: amazing to me people keep saying, look what do you

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Speaker 2: I will tell you now that I think about it

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Speaker 1: Oh Meg, I would love to see some of these

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Speaker 2: I did a show where it was like Drunk Sports,

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Speaker 2: about back in the day, but it was not something

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Speaker 2: that ever aired publicly.

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Speaker 1: Some rules here, everybody never talk to the feds. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we know that one. All guns are always loaded everybody firearms,

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Speaker 1: know that one and all microphones are always recording. You

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Speaker 1: live your life that way, you'll be better off and

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Speaker 1: safer because you just don't know video or audio. All

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Speaker 1: mics are on, all guns are loaded, all mics are on.

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Speaker 1: Don't talk to the.

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Speaker 2: Feds, and you know, be sure to tip your waiter

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Speaker 2: will just be the same person would be another lesson.

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Speaker 2: I think this goes for all mics are on. We

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Speaker 2: live in a world buck where there's virtually no difference

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Speaker 2: now between public and private. So whatever you are doing

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Speaker 2: in a in your private life, at some point, it

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Speaker 2: better be somewhat similar to the way that you live

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Speaker 2: in your public life. Yeah, and that doesn't matter. It

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Speaker 2: used to be just if you're a public figure you

452
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Speaker 2: had to worry about that. These days, anybody can become

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Speaker 2: a celebrity overnight just based on a viral video.

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Speaker 1: And this is I don't know how many people saw this.

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Speaker 1: It was really good. Glenn Greenwald did on his show,

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Speaker 1: which I would want to give a shout out to.

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Speaker 1: You know, Glenn's a man of the left. I actually

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Speaker 1: had a couple of debates with Glenn back in the

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Speaker 1: day on some pretty uh intense terrorism stuff. But he

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Speaker 1: is a man of principle. When it comes to the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment. He sees reality. And it's funny because people

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Speaker 1: say he's not right wing. He just still believes in

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Speaker 1: free speech. He still believes journalism is a thing. But

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Speaker 1: he did a whole show clay On on his show

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Speaker 1: System Update, I think it's called and this is maybe

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Speaker 1: a week or two ago, where he just talked about

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Speaker 1: how the left doesn't want people to realize that they've

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Speaker 1: created this. If you have the right opinions, how you

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Speaker 1: act doesn't matter standard and it's obviously for climate change,

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Speaker 1: this is a big thing. Right. Oh yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: John Carrey has to fly private everywhere to save the

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Speaker 1: world from climate change. Right, We're like, this is a joke.

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Speaker 1: But even I mean, we mentioned before the woman who

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Speaker 1: was talking about how look if you get punched, you

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Speaker 1: know the leftists from that ridiculous show. If you know

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Speaker 1: she's saying, oh about the Jordan Neely case, if you

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Speaker 1: get punched in the face, no big deal, Like someone's

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Speaker 1: having a tough day, Who cares. She went to some

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars year private school. Glenn tweeted this out

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Speaker 1: in the last hour. She is some rich lady who

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Speaker 1: is now who has had a life of privilege, and

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Speaker 1: she is white, and now she tells an audience of imbeciles, Oh,

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Speaker 1: but we are all socialists now, and we're all about

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Speaker 1: social justice and dealing with you know, racial oppression and

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Speaker 1: all this other stuff frauds. But the left has to

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Speaker 1: create this standard for their people because like Keith Olberman's

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Speaker 1: a horrible human being, like everyone's worked for it. Will

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Speaker 1: say this to you. He doesn't care about the poor,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't care about people who are oppressed, but he

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Speaker 1: has the right positions publicly, so he gets a pass.

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Speaker 2: It's so true, and you can argue, I think legitimately

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Speaker 2: that the white liberal in particular white liberal women, who

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Speaker 2: are a huge position of the Democrat Party foundation on

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Speaker 2: the far left, are in many ways destroying the country by,

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Speaker 2: as you pointed out, being wealthy, being elite, living in

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Speaker 2: high income neighborhoods, in very protected environments, and they just

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Speaker 2: go out and say, you know, every It's not like

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Speaker 2: in San Francisco Buck, when they started saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: if your home is getting robbed, do you really need

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Speaker 2: the property that's being stolen from you? If you get

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Speaker 2: assaulted on the subway. Do you really need to hold

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Speaker 2: someone accountable? The white guilt is overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: The desire to call the police, we are told by

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Speaker 1: the left, is a form of violence against black and

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Speaker 1: brown individuals. This is their rhetoric, This is what they say. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: why do they make that assumption there are people of

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Speaker 1: all races who commit crimes, but their belief in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco this is referring to a San Francisco Chronicle editorial,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a couple of years ago. Is well,

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Speaker 1: if you call the police, because there's a disproportionately high

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Speaker 1: probability that a person of color is the person burglarizing

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Speaker 1: your house, You, the person, whatever color you are in

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Speaker 1: that house, is calling for violence against a person of

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Speaker 1: color by calling the police. That was the real argument

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Speaker 1: being made by the.

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Speaker 2: Left, And that argument was made by the New York

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Speaker 2: Times editorial board.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember when.

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Speaker 2: Tom Cotton said, Hey, all this rioting, looting, pillaging that's

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Speaker 2: going on associated with BLM protests, we need to call

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Speaker 2: out the National Guard so that we can protect American cities,

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Speaker 2: American people. The New York Times editorial board staged a

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Speaker 2: revolt because that editorial was published. Because they said it

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Speaker 2: threatened black lives. To have actual implementation of the law

525
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Speaker 2: was such a just the argument not to actually do it,

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Speaker 2: the argument was unacceptable to be allowed because of the

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Speaker 2: danger that it put black lives in. That's what you're

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Speaker 2: hearing from this MSNBC contributor. That's what you heard from

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Speaker 2: the San Francisco Chronicle, and that's what you heard from

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Speaker 2: the New York Times editorial board, and that all is

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Speaker 1: if someone as listening to a Sunday that's not really

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Speaker 1: also other podcasts that we do that don't appear here.

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Speaker 1: On the radio show, I spoke to Roman Deravi, formerly

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign is doing so far. You want to

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Speaker 1: great way to do it, now, Klan, I were sitting here,

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Speaker 1: we could have saved giant lawn penis for the end

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Speaker 1: of the show, but we already talked about that story.

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Speaker 1: And if you missed it, someone in anticipation of the

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Speaker 1: Royal coronation tomorrow in the UK has made a very

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Speaker 1: large male genitalia outline in the grass at the coronation site,

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Speaker 1: try to cover this up. I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: cut the rest of the grass shorter, but it is

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Speaker 1: very clear what they are trying to show people. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to save that for the end. But we didn't.

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Speaker 1: We jumped the jumped the gun on that one a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But can we do We want to do

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Speaker 1: the banks. You know, we were talking off air.

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Speaker 2: It's like I hate to give you like a hey,

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Speaker 2: the world's going to burn and we're all screwed segment

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Speaker 2: right to close into the into the week.

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Speaker 1: We were looking for a kind of a like, you know,

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Speaker 1: International Puppy Day kind of a story. We couldn't find one,

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Speaker 1: so I guess instead we're going to talk about how

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Speaker 1: maybe the banks are all going to collapse at some point.

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Speaker 1: Not all of them, obviously, but some of the banks.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. It's all going to be fine. But

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Speaker 1: here's Charlie Gasparino saying we are in some deep well,

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Speaker 1: I'll let him say, at play seventeen, how should we

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Speaker 1: read what's going on today with these banks?

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Speaker 5: We're in deep doo doo. I'm afraid this is a

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Speaker 5: bad situation.

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Speaker 1: That a technical measures.

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Speaker 5: That's an economic term for you know, something I can't

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Speaker 5: say on nair.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You have three banks.

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Speaker 5: Each one of these banks that's failed were considered one offs. Okay,

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Speaker 5: there's no such thing as one offs.

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing as three offs.

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Speaker 5: The same sort of stuff risk taking that those three

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Speaker 5: banks took is duplicated throughout the banking system, particularly in

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Speaker 5: the mid size banks, the regional banking system. There's not

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Speaker 5: a lot of confidence in the banking system right now,

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Speaker 5: and people are pulling their money out of banks.

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Speaker 1: Clay banks are herd animals in a sense. They all

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Speaker 1: move in the same direction. They're all trying to make

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Speaker 1: money for the most part, in the same basic ways.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to lending and looking at the rates

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Speaker 1: and what they're doing. And that means that if some

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Speaker 1: of these banks are on the brink, others are on

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Speaker 1: the brink, what happens, it's not going to be pretty.

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Speaker 2: And we started off the week unfortunately telling you and

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that it isn't a bigger story. The second, third,

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Speaker 2: happened in the last six weeks. And I don't think,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately that this story is going away, because what it

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Speaker 2: feels like to me is occurring here is things are

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Speaker 2: rapidly getting worse as it pertains to the fastest interest

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Speaker 2: rate hike we've seen in forty years. I keep hammering

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Speaker 2: on this show, look out for commercial real estate that

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Speaker 2: is the next one. A lot of banks have massive

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Speaker 2: suddenly the math doesn't work because they have two simultaneous

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Speaker 2: issues going on. Buck One is a lot of people

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Speaker 2: just aren't going into the office anymore. So many companies

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Speaker 2: don't need anywhere near the amount of real estate that

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Speaker 2: they have right now for their office workers. Two, the

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Speaker 2: inflation rate has I mean, the inflation rate certainly is skyrockett,

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Speaker 2: is going to create a major blood bath that may

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is over.

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Speaker 2: I hate to finish off the week talking about this,

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Speaker 2: but if I were worried, if I were investing in

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Speaker 2: a lot of these regional banks right now, I'd be

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Speaker 2: super nervous about where things are going.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna head over to Pegleg Parker and get

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Speaker 1: some barbecue here in Nashville because that's my favorite spot.

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Speaker 1: So I got that going for me, which is nice.

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Speaker 1: And uh, Clay, you know, we're gonna be doing some

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Speaker 1: Nashville things this weekend, and we hope everyward has a

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Speaker 1: really nice time with their families. Zinco de Maya, Thinko

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Speaker 1: de Mayo. Maybe make yourself a margarita and enjoy so

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Speaker 1: happy thoughts, Happy thoughts, everybody. It's all gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you join us Monday. We'll explain on Monday

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Speaker 1: why it's all going to be well, not all of it,

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Speaker 1: but like in general things are good. This sad weere

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Speaker 1: is Buck's fault. Have great weekends four