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Speaker 2: joining me. You know, I'm from First Things First. And

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Speaker 2: if our camera angle looks a little weird this week,

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Speaker 2: it's a long story, but you're gonna have to deal

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Speaker 2: with it. Well that's just technicoh to you, that's finest.

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Speaker 2: So I had this rant today on my show, and

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Speaker 2: this has been a pretty consistent thing for thirty years

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Speaker 2: in the business that there is no even so, just

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Speaker 2: own dynasties. They're coming and they're going to come in

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Speaker 2: different forms. When the Lakers dominated forever, it wasn't that

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Speaker 2: they always paid the most. It's because Jerry Buss was

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Speaker 2: cool and the Laker girls were cool, and the weather

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Speaker 2: in the winter in a winter league was great, and

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Speaker 2: so people liked playing there. And then pat Riley went

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Speaker 2: to the Miami Heat and he sold the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Miami's cool. Miami's got perfect winter weather. So they won

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Speaker 2: on weather cool, not the most money. Duke basketball won

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Speaker 2: on resume and Mike Krzyzewski and il By the way,

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Speaker 2: Is it unfair? There is no even so. Oklahoma City

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Speaker 2: is not only twenty four and one, but analytically the

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Speaker 2: best defensive team ever they are. I mean, they're blowing

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Speaker 2: people out for two years now. The playoffs are different, right,

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Speaker 2: their coach, their GM, their bench, which is maybe the

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Speaker 2: advantage has simply been they're smarter, they're more efficient, and

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Speaker 2: the new CBA, I would argue, is more putative to

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Speaker 2: ineffective gms. It punishes them more. I'll throw one more

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Speaker 2: stat at you. In nineteen eighty nine, the richest people

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Speaker 2: now have seventeen times that. Okay, seven different presidents. The

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Speaker 2: point is you can't legislate fair or even even socialism

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Speaker 2: and I look at the Dodgers, at least the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: seed to analytics, it's terribly boring. And that Adam Silver

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Speaker 1: And that.

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Speaker 2: Baseball and the NBA should both both should embrace the

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers dynasty. You just don't like that. It's money.

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Speaker 2: At least it's captivating, at least it's interesting. So I

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Speaker 2: everything's going up. Basketball is not because got parody and

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if we're dealing with a little

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Speaker 1: ratings are not going up because of of parody. I

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Speaker 1: because it's Oklahoma City. Not necessarily because dynasty. I agree

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, I guess. My My ultimate point is

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Speaker 2: The NBA has become to me kind of fear based

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Speaker 2: Whoever drafts them, whatever, you know, morbid, boring, bad team

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Speaker 1: But if they didn't have those rules, Yeah, is there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma City's doing it now well.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, I understood the Tim Tebow fascination because he was

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Speaker 2: And I think the Dylan Gabriel early success is very explainable.

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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel played so many college games. He was more

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Speaker 1: I watched every throw that he had against Tennessee, UH,

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Speaker 1: Like it's just like he he didn't be getting excited,

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Speaker 1: Who seemingly doesn't like him, And so like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: taking a quarterback, and if they I would take Mendoza

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Speaker 2: not saying he's not a franchise quarterback. Mendoza, I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, Schadeur, I cannot imagine because think about

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Speaker 1: what NFL teams have overlooked, like how because thirty two

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Speaker 1: So so, like, I don't believe it was a conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's on that roster. No, gross, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: But the owner of the Browns was at Deshaun Watson's

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Speaker 2: this Christmas. So if you look at year two Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen and Caleb Williams, Yeah, numbers are they're literally the same.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've looked. It might be my screensaver.

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Speaker 2: So Josh Allen did get better. And I think Caleb

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Speaker 2: Look at six six Drew Brees. No, Josh is still

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Speaker 2: a playmaker. He's probably closer to a sixty five sixty

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Speaker 2: He's throwing to tight ends because Kincaid.

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Speaker 2: That I mean last week gave Davis, who they brought back,

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Speaker 2: think lost in Caleb Williams or under discussed not lost

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Speaker 2: is the fact that he may have made two of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the one is the keyst and the one that

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's it's him, Josh Allen. It's it's

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Speaker 2: So I guess this is my point. I think he's

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Speaker 2: what is this? Everybody has comp and I'm like I

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Speaker 2: I told you best arm never gets hurt those very

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Speaker 1: I really do so. I still think I still think

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Speaker 1: He looks like Neo in the matrix. He's like dodging bullets.

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Speaker 1: He was sacked sixty eight times last year, and people

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Speaker 1: see it coming. It was like the team sucks. It's

429
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: a ten game losing streak. I have three play callers,

430
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: my rookie year. Guys are dropping like flies all around me,

431
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to make plays and he would get

432
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: he would get sack. Now, some of it was on him.

433
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: He held the ball too long. I think that's the

434
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: number that I think. It was on a Monday night

435
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: football broadcast, and it blew my mind. He took like

436
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: twenty eight sacks last year where he held the ball

437
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: for five or more seconds. That should be impossible. I

438
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: don't think Peyton Manning did it in his career, and

439
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: so like he he's definitely learned and Ben Johnson has

440
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: helped him. But he is an escape artist back there,

441
00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: and sometimes it'll lead to a sack. That was seventeen

442
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: yards instead of eight yards like you know sometimes, but

443
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: he's really cut down on that this year. The completion

444
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: percentage is way too low. He he doesn't seem to

445
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: see it quite quick enough. Like the throw he missed

446
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: to comment was open. He just he saw it late

447
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: and underthrew it. Terrible combination and it was a game

448
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: ending interception. But like I am convinced that there is

449
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: a superstar there and that there is an MVP there,

450
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: and I think Ben Johnson's going to get there, Like

451
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: I think we've seen it before, like the Mahomes. It

452
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: was his first year starting, which made it so special,

453
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: but it was his second year and Andy Reid's system,

454
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: like we've seen the even if it's third year in

455
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: the league, but it's the second year in the system.

456
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: Like second year in the system is when you can

457
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: have the mastery of it. Like I think Caleb is

458
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: going to be a very trendy MVP pick next year.

459
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have a monster season next

460
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: year with Ben Johnson and then we'll see what that

461
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: means for the rest of this year.

462
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to talk Pittsburgh. It was a

463
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: winner gets first place. Pittsburgh twenty seven, Baltimore twenty two.

464
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: I thought Mike Tomlin got a little lucky today because

465
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: I thought the tight end Isaiah likely. I thought that

466
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: was a touchdown. They reversed it. I would have called

467
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: if I was an official. I'm still not sure. I mean,

468
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh surrendered four hundred and twenty yards, lost badly, time

469
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: of possession only at thirteen first downs. I thought Aaron

470
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: played pretty well for a forty two year old with

471
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: no run game on the road. DK metcaff and Aaron

472
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: had a really good day. It's what's interesting. The Steelers

473
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: still can't run the ball. Two point two yards of

474
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: carry and it felt like a reprieve. I think this

475
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: is why you got Aaron Rodgers. The defense isn't great.

476
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: They can't run the ball. I mean, the two guys

477
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: you went and got DK Metcaffe and Aaron Rodgers saved

478
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: your bacon today. Again, what did you make of the

479
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: likely non touchdown?

480
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree to Tony Romo, that's what are we doing.

481
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that's it was a pretty clear touchdown. But

482
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: I also thought I thought the story of the game

483
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: is Lamar Jackson looks like a shell of himself, doesn't know,

484
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what you know his percentage is, but

485
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: it's closer to fifty than it feels to seventy or eighty.

486
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he looks not nearly now relative to his

487
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 3: standard looks slow. Clearly is just a little off. Still

488
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: makes a couple of plays, But I mean, I think

489
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: the guy that we've seen become just an all time

490
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: great player over you know, the prime of his career,

491
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: whatever the version is he's playing at now, is is

492
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: limiting him. I mean, you have that one awful pick

493
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: where typically that's a Lamar play lobbit right over a

494
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: guy when you're scrambling how many plays a scrambling around

495
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: you go from him to that Caleb scrambling around. It's

496
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: like they're playing at different speeds.

497
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

498
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: No, I mean he is a Flowers andrews Henry. He's

499
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: got playmakers. We know, the coaching staff is fine. It's

500
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: I thought the final drive of the game by him,

501
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: it was just it just there was nothing to it.

502
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like with Lamar Jackson, we've gotten

503
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: to a point where anything over fifteen yards I don't

504
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: necessarily trust him. I just don't think he's right. I mean,

505
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: that's my take on this and I've said it for weeks.

506
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: Brock Purdy, when I saw him on Monday night, throw

507
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: two picks and they were both behind the guy. I'm like, well,

508
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: he's not one hundred percent. I can tell I think

509
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Lamar's hurt and he just doesn't want to mention it

510
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: because he's an athletic guy and he doesn't want to

511
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 2: give the defense who he plays a heads up. I mean,

512
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: these are not serious. I mean, neither one of these

513
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: teams can do anything in the playoffs. I mean, sometimes

514
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: you win a division and that's the best you can do.

515
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Tomlin's probably now the way Baltimore's playing Burrow,

516
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, lost. I thought Cincinnati was going to win

517
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: that game. We'll talk about that. I thought Cincinnati had them,

518
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: and then Joe Burrow one of the few awful picks

519
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: of his life. I mean, Lamar was what nineteen thirty

520
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: five with a seventy two passer rating. Yeah.

521
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: One thing too is last year. Remember early on in

522
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: the season, the Ravens defense was terrible, and then they

523
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: figured something out and they became a lot better as

524
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: the season went on. Today, there was a moment it

525
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: was it was twenty to sixteen, and you know, the

526
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: Steelers were kind of back against the wall. You're like, God,

527
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: this thing's kind of gonna fall apart here, and Rogers

528
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: just a pretty I don't know, elementary play drops it

529
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: off to war and he walks in for a touchdown.

530
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: There's no one even around him. So it went from

531
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: twenty to sixteen to boom twenty seven to sixteen. And

532
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: the way that the Ravens are playing on offense, it's like,

533
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: I don't they're in trouble and they are just listening.

534
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: They dug themselves in the hole early in the season.

535
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: They don't look right and clear their quarterback's banged up,

536
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: and I listen, Rodgers is taking shots and everyone needs

537
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: to shut up about us, like you guys have been

538
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: losing game after game and looking terrible. So, I mean,

539
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. I bet against him pretty big this week.

540
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: I had little to no faith in the Steelers, but

541
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: I thought today was as much of an indictment in

542
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: the Ravens just they're just not very good like the Steelers.

543
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: If they are the four seed playing whoever that they

544
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: end up drawing, I'd be stunned if they win a

545
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: playoff game and all these stories coming out the last

546
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: couple of days about Tomas contract set up like that

547
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: the Rooney. I think these things kind of being laid

548
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: out like there's you know, we're coming to the end

549
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: of the road.

550
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

551
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: And I also think Kansas City doesn't feel the same.

552
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: But Kansas City was getting the Super Bowls. Baltimore wasn't

553
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: winning playoff games, and they feel less than that. Sober

554
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Baltimore the previous two years has blown out more teams

555
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: than anybody in the sport. The Lions the previous two years,

556
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: and the Ravens have kicked a you know what out

557
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: of teams four to five times. Now Seattle's the team

558
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: this year that has beaten six teams by two touchdowns

559
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: or more. So, they're just something that's not right.

560
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: And to look at both those two teams, right, I mean,

561
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: they've had their moments. The Lions were the number one

562
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: seed last year. Two years ago, they had the Niners

563
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: up twenty four to seven at halftime in the NFC Championship.

564
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: Even to have a home field two years ago, lost

565
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: to the Chiefs. Last year, it's like they should beat

566
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: the Bills in the second round. They lose the game

567
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: kind of feels like they're little moments for both those

568
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: two teams.

569
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: Kind of shut Rams forty five Arizona seventeen. Rams had

570
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: over five hundred yards offense and almost nine yards of play.

571
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: Not competitive. Kuka Nakua was absolutely fantastic, so was Stafford.

572
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: The other thing about the Rams is they're healthy. They're

573
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: just dissecting teams. Arizona is a lost franchise. I mean,

574
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: you live in the state, I'm not sure bid Well

575
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: on down, it doesn't matter. It's a Do you have

576
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: any takeaway in that at all?

577
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: No?

578
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: I mean the Cardinals got they are see some of

579
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: these jobs, you know, like the Titans, like people are

580
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: gonna people want to go be the head coach of

581
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: the Titans. Like the Cardinals.

582
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: They fire everybody.

583
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 3: I guess it's the NFL, and it pays a lot

584
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: of money.

585
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: These jobs are terrible.

586
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: I mean they are awful, and it just gets back

587
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: to ownership. You look, you look at this division now,

588
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: I mean, is there a better coach division with McVeagh,

589
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: McDonald and Kyle Shanahan. I mean it's like it's not

590
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: even close. It feels like it'd probably be Sean Payton,

591
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh. And that's where if you're

592
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: the Raiders.

593
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: Like, what do we do? How do we get up

594
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: to those three?

595
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: And the interesting don't.

596
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: I think about this all the time. I was surprised

597
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: when Sean Payton took the job with Denver because I'm like,

598
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, they're a mess. There's the Russell Wilson cap.

599
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: What the hell is he going to do? And you know,

600
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Sean knew there was good there was some good college

601
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks coming up, and Sean has a lot of confidence

602
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: in himself. But and also you know, Andy Reid was

603
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: getting older and Mahomes was getting expensive, and but that

604
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: division now, I mean Mike McDonald and Sean McVay. Mike

605
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: McDonald reminds me of the defense of Sean McVay. And

606
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: then Shannan's probably the best scheme coach in the league,

607
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: so like Arizona's just I mean, that feels like you

608
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: can say what you want about Cleveland, but Pittsburgh's wobbly,

609
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: what's up with Lamar? Cincinnati's cheap. You know, you can

610
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: bang on Cleveland, but if Cleveland landed Mendoza or something

611
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: at quarterback, you'd be like, I think when the division easily.

612
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: Arizona's trapped, but Denver is a great example, right once

613
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: Walmart took over that franchise. Don't they have like four

614
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: kids that are in the top twenty of wealth in

615
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: the world. I mean, the money that they're dealing with

616
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: is on a different level than what ninety five percent

617
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: of NFL owners, Like, what does the Walmart family have

618
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: in common with Bob Kraft in terms of money? I

619
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: mean it is the levels we're talking. They are on

620
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: a very very short list as a family. I'm not

621
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: even talking as an individual, So I mean, the bidwells

622
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: are so cheap they're Listen, Jonathan Annon, I don't know

623
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: if he's good or bad, and it's hard to even tell,

624
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: but you hit your wagon to Kyler Murray and this

625
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: gets back to you know, he was the number one pick,

626
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: but it was still a little bit of a risk

627
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: for Ben Johnson to take that job. But it's pretty

628
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 3: clear Ben Johnson probably be good no matter if Ben

629
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: Johnson been the Raiders coach, might not be a playoff team.

630
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: But I guarantee you they're not two and whatever they are, right,

631
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: he's the real deal. But Vrabelnew like, I'm going back

632
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: you better have a quarterback because in this you could

633
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: put Mike Rabel with Theirs on a Cardinals. He's probably

634
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: not making the playoffs very often. So in this isn't

635
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: college where it's like, oh I just lose my quarterback

636
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: to the draft. We'll just go buy Fernando Mendoza. Right,

637
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: That's not the way it works. And now you hit

638
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: your wagon to Kyler Murray and you're in the situation

639
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: you're in where you got Jacobe Brissett running around there

640
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: down thirty points. It's like, what are we even doing?

641
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: And like the Rams game, there's no takeaway. I do

642
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: think though they you know, last week they lose the Panthers,

643
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: who sometimes you do that, you know, the West coast

644
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: to East coast flight. But the one thing the Panthers

645
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 3: can do, like they can throw the ball pretty well.

646
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: I mean, they got a couple of wide receivers and

647
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: they kind of expose their dB. So I do think

648
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: this was a little bit of a rallying spot of like,

649
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: hey man, we got a plus. You don't have any margin.

650
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 3: If you're the Rams, Seattle or the Fine that's right,

651
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 3: you probably got to win. Thirteen and four probably wins

652
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: you the division. So you know, a miss field goal here,

653
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: a screw up here. All of a sudden, you're the

654
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: sixth seed playing I don't know, Green Bay or something Axiet.

655
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it could get a lot more difficult really quick.

656
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: Let's wrap it up with this. Minnesota thirty one, Washington nothing.

657
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy played well. Washington probably has, They've lost eight straight,

658
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: probably has the worst defense in the league. It may

659
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: not be particularly close. Almost every Washington defender on PFF

660
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: is like near the bottom of their position in the sport.

661
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: I thought I was JJ McCarthy's best game, sixteen to

662
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: twenty three, three tds, no picks that were very, very

663
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: good in the red zone. It was a smart game plan.

664
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: Then one of the things that really jumps out to

665
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: me now is Washington had three turnovers and they're just

666
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: a horrible franchise. A year after they shock the world,

667
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels got banged up again, and I'm sitting there

668
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: Washington when he's fringing on the field, and I'm like, man,

669
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: but if you go back to his rookie year, Remember

670
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: he got banged up in his rookie year, And I'm

671
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: sitting there thinking, if you told me in one year

672
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: he'd missed another eight nine games. I'd be like, I

673
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked. There is value in like bo Nicks

674
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: doesn't get hurt, Caleb doesn't get hurt. Drake May got

675
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: beat up his first year. He blew tenaned it. It

676
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: doesn't miss games. Like the Jade and Daniel thing is

677
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: fascinating because it was the best rookie season statistically in

678
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: the history of the sport, and a year later physically,

679
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: I have real issues.

680
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's the knock on him

681
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: going back to LSU was the reckless nature in which

682
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: he played. And you look at Caleb and you look

683
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: at bo Nicks, well, they're kind of built physically a

684
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: little bit different than him. I mean, Caleb's built like

685
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: a tank. Drake May's big. You look at Jayden Daniels,

686
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: you know, he looks pretty slender. I tried to look

687
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: his way. I don't think he waded into the combine,

688
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: but he's just not He's not exactly built like you know,

689
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 3: Lamar's thickened up as he's gotten older. It is really important.

690
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: I also think Washington, you know, you get there, you

691
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: have success out of nowhere, and they went all in

692
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: on this season and it has backfired. I mean, if

693
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: you're a draft nerd, the two crazy things. Every time

694
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 3: I look up and Atlanta's down thirty, I go the

695
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: Rams have their first round pick, and for the Texans

696
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: traded Laramie Tunzel to Washington. They did it for a

697
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: third last draft and a second in this upcoming draft.

698
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 3: Well that pick for Washington could be like pick thirty five.

699
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: So the Texans all of a sudden, can you know

700
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: they haven't had picks because of the Will Anderson trade.

701
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: All of a sudden you get this great Washington pick.

702
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: I mean you look at the Rams and the Texans.

703
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: That's that's a big time ammo for those two teams.

704
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 3: And you know they're old, they're quarterbacks, banged up a lot.

705
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: They have some explosive playmaker. Zach Ertz shattered his leg today.

706
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: You know, defense is just atrocious though, I mean it's

707
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: really bad. And this you know, one story I saw

708
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: today is Sirianni's getting more involved with the offense. Well,

709
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: it's like Dan Campbell, Okay, my offensive coordinator is bad.

710
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: I need to get more involved than what happens. They

711
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: look more explosive, So I got listen. I give Dan credit.

712
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: That's he's an offensive guy. Siriana, you're an offensive guy

713
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: Monday night, your offense should look better. Dan Quinn's a

714
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: defensive guy. I just watched him for years. Helped turn

715
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: Jerry's team into a twelve win team. Remember how good

716
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: they were on defense with Micah Parsons and Dan Quinn.

717
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: How I get your personnel's bad, but you should be

718
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: a little bit. You made JJ McCarthy, who statistically was

719
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 3: the worst quarterback since JaMarcus Russell, actually looked pretty good today.

720
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: I mean it's hard to argue, right, he looked, he

721
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: looked better and like a lot of these other young

722
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: quarterbacks throughout the league. So I think if you're Washington,

723
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: you're going God. Maybe that last year was It almost

724
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: feels a little bit like the Giants that year when

725
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: they made the playoffs and they beat Minnesota, and then

726
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: the next three years were just a train wreck. Could

727
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: be different because of Jayden Daniels. But if you can't

728
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 3: stay on the field, who cares? Yeah?

729
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: No, I mean if you start looking at the teams

730
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: that consistently make the playoffs, like we thought Houston, ooh

731
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: what happened to Houston? Well, Houston's a good football team now,

732
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: like Demiko Ryan's defense and the guys upstairs drafting. You know,

733
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: we always kind of look at Houston like, I don't know,

734
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: like Jacksonville. Well, say what you want, but I watched

735
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: Jacksonville today, Like, Jacksonville's got a lot of good players.

736
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 2: They've hit on a lot of those draft picks. Travis

737
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: Hunter is not even a factor. They're there. They got

738
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: two backs, they got two ends. So there are these

739
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: outlier seasons, John, where a team just gets hot, the

740
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: division's weak, you know, and I you know that gets hurt.

741
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: The Cowboys are bad, the Giants are worse. They didn't

742
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: have Jackson Dard. It's I don't know. I look at

743
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: Washington and I'm like, they need nine more players. They

744
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: need so many more players there, and this, Hey, good

745
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: for JJ. He needed a game like this again. They ran,

746
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: they passed, They just you can just watch football. You

747
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: watch Seattle's defense, You're like, damn, they're fast. You like Washington.

748
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: They can't bully, they can't run, they can't cover, They're awful.

749
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: It's just a they got very few good players.

750
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Speaker 1: The volume