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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in Lake Kick is Live. It is

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Speaker 1: Sunday night. It is May twenty fourth, the year of

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and twenty. Hanging there, we will eventually get

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Speaker 2: Have you been told we're all in this together? Sometimes

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Speaker 2: I'm fooled, but I am told we're all in this together.

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Speaker 2: So we are, at least on this show, all in

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Speaker 2: this together. We got a lot to get to tonight.

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Speaker 2: I have been observing the back and forth in the inbox,

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Speaker 2: and I've been observing not so much back and forth,

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Speaker 1: Me in the Twitter, DMS and whatnot. And I just

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Speaker 1: have some stuff to address. It's not necessarily a Q

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Speaker 2: We save that for the Late Kick Extra podcast, which

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Speaker 2: has done phenomenal traffic.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate that. More later on that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go a couple of different directions tonight.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna touch on things that I think pertain to

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Speaker 2: a few programs, but expand well beyond the programs and

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Speaker 2: probably pertain to truth be told, most of you watching tonight,

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Speaker 2: or at least the programs that you support and you

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Speaker 2: root for. So this power shift, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you've heard about it. Thus, far as far as I

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Speaker 2: can tell. It's just a rumor that's found in preview

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Speaker 2: magazines and whatnot, but there is a rumored power shift

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Speaker 2: happening in the SEC Eastern Division. We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm also going to talk about a program we have neglected.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna admit that later. And the wide range of

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Speaker 2: expectations for LSU football this year. I can't tell you

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Speaker 2: how many questions that we get about LSU, and they

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Speaker 2: What's reasonable this year? How are they going to do

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Speaker 2: all that and more, plus we've got some Q and

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Speaker 2: guess worth watching tonight. Told there is one later on

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Speaker 2: interested in that one tonight. So we're just going to

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Speaker 2: let's get it started. Though the balance of power in

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Speaker 2: the SEC Eastern Division hasn't been much of a balance.

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Speaker 2: The seesaw has kind of squarely been tilted towards one

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Speaker 2: Georgia and the Georgia Bulldogs. So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: I'm being told by a lot of you. I don't

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Speaker 2: know where I stand yet, because I think it's very

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Speaker 2: poor business to make predictions on football season in the

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Speaker 2: be upon us. Now, you guys know how this works.

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily take part in it. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: so many wrong predictions that one doesn't stand out over

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Speaker 2: Of many in our business and outside of our business

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Speaker 2: This whole new offensive coordinator, new quarterback. And most of

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Speaker 2: One outside of that fan base enjoys seeing dominance. It's

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Speaker 2: the bias is I want to see change.

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Speaker 2: feel Dabbo was early on. They eventually got there, and

437
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Speaker 2: that's what I'm kind of leading to. They eventually got there.

438
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: But it wasn't this immediate seismographic spike on a radar.

439
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 1: It was give us a little while, got to get

440
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 1: over that Florida State hump. Got to get over a

441
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: hump of thinking we're there, but then we get pasted

442
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: in a game and we're not there yet.

443
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: But then when we finally do get there, we are there.

444
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 2: That may be the same kind of trajectory that James

445
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: Franklin has Penn State on.

446
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 1: Here's the big difference.

447
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 2: Once they got Florida State out of the way and

448
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 2: Florida's stated I'm talking about Clemson. Once Clemson got Florida

449
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 2: State out of the way, and Florida State did a

450
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: half decent job of getting themselves out of the way.

451
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 2: If we're being honest, But credit to Dabbo and Clemson

452
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: for taking full advantage of it. Once they got them

453
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: out of the way, there was nothing else standing in

454
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Speaker 2: the way. There is a giant standing in a way.

455
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,959
Speaker 2: There are a couple of them up there, but there

456
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 2: is one notable giant standing in the way at Penn State.

457
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 2: And that's the difference between the setup one of at

458
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: least the difference is between the setup that Dabo Swinny

459
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: had at Clemson and James Franklin his here. They also

460
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: remind me in some ways of Notre Dame and the

461
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: way they remind me of Notre Dame right now.

462
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Speaker 1: And I'm speaking specifically.

463
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Speaker 2: As an outsider, not a fan of these programs, not

464
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: someone who grew up around them, trying to give you

465
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: an outside perspective Notre Dame.

466
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Speaker 1: I was talking to.

467
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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly when we did the interview with them for

468
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Speaker 2: Social Distance a couple of three weeks ago, and you're

469
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 2: looking at their resume, and if you just kind of

470
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: did a blind resume test and you looked at the

471
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Speaker 2: fact that they're a double digit win team four out

472
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Speaker 2: of the last five years. They're recruiting at a level

473
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Speaker 2: consistently now, the likes of which they haven't in a

474
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Speaker 2: very long time.

475
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: They've been there, they've been.

476
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: To the playoffs a couple of times, been to the

477
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: playoff in a national championship game a couple times last decade,

478
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: but since they haven't won one, and since they've never

479
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: stepped on the field with those elite teams and been

480
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: viewed really as the equal of those teams. In other words,

481
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: it's gonna take a few bounces of the ball to

482
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: go their way, and.

483
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to win the turnover battle.

484
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: By plus two, but they can get it done, but

485
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: they're gonna need some help. That's kind of the way

486
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: you feel when Notre Dames on the field with an

487
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: elite team, And that's probably the way you feel when

488
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: Penn State plays Ohio State. They may not feel that way,

489
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: but probably outsiders feel that way. How do you elevate

490
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: your program, Well, you elevate it through developing and recruiting.

491
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Speaker 2: But like Notre Dame, and I said this about Notre Dame,

492
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Speaker 2: I'll say it with Penn State, I'll say the same

493
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Speaker 2: thing with Michigan.

494
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Speaker 1: All these programs.

495
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Speaker 2: I know you've thrown Taj Boyd in my face if

496
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Speaker 2: you're a Clemson fan. But I'll maintain my stance. It

497
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: was when Deshaun Watson walked in the door at Clemson

498
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: that all of a sudden, they went from a cute

499
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: ac story that's gonna, you know, run into a mac

500
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: truck if they ever make it to the playoffs, to

501
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: a team that could really compete for a national championship,

502
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: and then a team that can win a national championship.

503
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: And then once they win the national championship and you

504
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: see superstar quarterback play, then there's this.

505
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Speaker 1: Stream of talent. Clemson what and recruit in top five

506
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: classes before that.

507
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: They certainly are now and they've had this steady incline

508
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: and the trajectory's been steadily pointed upwards of recruiting of development.

509
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: Facilities are great. I'm not saying you lack facilities or

510
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: anything like that at Penn State. But what happens if

511
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: that occurs same kind of quarterback dynamic. What happens if

512
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: that finally occurs at Penn State? Because it hasn't yet.

513
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: You thought Hackenberg was gonna be.

514
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: That he wasn't. What if it does happen there?

515
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: That's what I always wait on with a program like Michigan,

516
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: program like Penn State, program like Notre Dame. I wait

517
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: for either a superstar quarterback to be recruited by them

518
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: and choose them, or I wait for maybe a high

519
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: four star kind that they do land to blossom once

520
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: they get there and get developed, and it's just you

521
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: catch lightning in a bottle and boom.

522
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: Once that happens, program takes off.

523
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the trampoline bounce that you need

524
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: to get into that top tier. And once you're there,

525
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: it's like watching that Ninja Warrior show. You know, you

526
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: jump and you grab onto the monkey bars, but once

527
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: you got them, you got them, and then you pull

528
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: yourself up and then you're there. That could be Penn State.

529
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 2: You know we are Penn State. You could be That

530
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: could be Penn State. And I pull for it, just

531
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: like I told you.

532
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: The other day.

533
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: Get accusations of homerism and bias all the time. I

534
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: just root for the big time teams to be good,

535
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: and I get berated for it all the time by

536
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: RG five brethren. But sue me, I pull for the

537
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: big time brand name programs to be good. I remember

538
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: when when did you guys do that home and home

539
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: with Bama. It was like twenty ten eleven or something

540
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: like that. I remember that that was scheduled so far.

541
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: So I remember being in high school in the early

542
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: two thousands and looking at all the future college football schedules.

543
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: And now I didn't know who the Alabama coach was

544
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: going to be.

545
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: Obviously, I didn't know it was going to be Nick Saban,

546
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: but I knew it was Joe Paterno. And you guys know,

547
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: I grew up very much a college football fan in general,

548
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: and I always thought to myself, like, that's the only

549
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: shot I'm going to get at seeing Joe Paterno coach.

550
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: So if the time comes and I can afford tickets

551
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: in that game, I'm going. So the time came and

552
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: I got to go, and I got As it turns out,

553
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: I got to see Paterno and Saban coach. So stands

554
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: to reason. I have full respect for the brand and

555
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: the program there. And I look at the helmet grid

556
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: schedule for this year, pulled one up for the Big

557
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: Ten today, and that October twenty fourth date Ohio State

558
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: and Penn State sure does look tempting, especially because it

559
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: is to me, it's the.

560
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: Game of the week that week.

561
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Now, I may not get to experience your full game

562
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: day atmosphere.

563
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: Never been to a Penn State game, and I you know,

564
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to experience a night game.

565
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: White out, et cetera. But I just love to go

566
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: to Beaver Stadium. Honestly, we'll see if we can make

567
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: that happen. As I said, the inbox has been flooded,

568
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: I mean flooding. Whatever our floodplain is, it is overflown

569
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: by weeks and weeks and weeks now of questions about LSU,

570
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: not just from LSU fans. This is why I'm addressing

571
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: this tonight. A lot of you, well LSU fans ask

572
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 2: in a more honest, inquisitive manner, how good are we

573
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: going to.

574
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: How good do you think we're gonna be this year?

575
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: And then other people ask in a more sarcastic manner,

576
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: there's no.

577
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: Way you think LSU is still gonna be good this year? Right.

578
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: The general quotes that I get from people that aren't

579
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 2: LSU fans is well, LSU's not gonna be what they

580
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: were last year. And my response, I don't always give

581
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: it to him in person, but I'll just give it

582
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: to you blanketly here as we look at footage of

583
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: me stalking ed Orser on off the field the National

584
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: Championship game. My response is, firstly, who says that they're

585
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: gonna be as good as they were last year?

586
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: I know a bunch of LSU folks.

587
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't know a single one that has told me, oh,

588
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a repeat, man, I think we're about

589
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: to duplicate what we did last year. Who has said that?

590
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: No one has, No one in the right mind has

591
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: said that. I don't think anyone expects that. Number two,

592
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: here's really the most important question to follow up is

593
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: do you know of anyone else that's going to duplicate

594
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: this year what LSU did last year? Because if there's

595
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: not going to be that, then they don't need to

596
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: duplicate what they did in order to be a contender

597
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: for a national championship. Now that we have those two premises,

598
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: PRIMI premise I let's check the plural on that those

599
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: respective premises.

600
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: Once we have those out of the way, now we can.

601
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: Start diving in a little bit and we ask ourselves,

602
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: as you have, as I said plenty of times, what

603
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: would be reasonable in the expectation department for LSU in

604
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. As I said, it's not a preview show tonight,

605
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: it's not a prediction show tonight. Two things that I

606
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: think I know. It's kind of a segment we do

607
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: during the season. I think I know fill in the blank.

608
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: I think I know LSU's roster will be talented and

609
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: skilled enough to go twelve and oh this year. I

610
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: also think that there are enough questions on their roster,

611
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: and there are enough holes to fill, and their schedule

612
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: is difficult enough to see him going eight and four.

613
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: So how about that for nailing myself down to the

614
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: wall somewhere between eight and four and twelve and oh.

615
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: But here's my larger point again, as we sit here

616
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: May twenty fourth larger point is this, if you were

617
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: to break out a magic eate ball, if Colin walked

618
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: in here tonight he said, look what I found in

619
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: the office, magic eate ball.

620
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: You shake it.

621
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: What's LSU's record going to be this year? And it

622
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: spits out ten and two at me or nine to three.

623
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: I still don't really know anything.

624
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: If we're talking about the long term health of this program,

625
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 2: if we're talking about the sustainability of the model that

626
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: we saw them use last year.

627
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: In the DNA.

628
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: That's kind of the adage I keep coming back to.

629
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: If we're talking about duplicating over the long term, what

630
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: we think they instilled in that program last year. Your

631
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: record doesn't tell me a thing this year, unless it's

632
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: twelve and zero, in which case I'm pretty sure we

633
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: have a conclusive answer. But are we talking team a program?

634
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: Last year the twenty nineteen LSU Tigers. Was that a

635
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: team or was that a program? Because you're talking DNA,

636
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: every team takes on an identity in a life of

637
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: its own. A program is a program, but a team

638
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: is one year's version of that program.

639
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: And what you don't want to see.

640
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: Your biggest fear as an LSU fan, and your biggest

641
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: hope if you're an outsider, is that team truly was

642
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: lightning in a bottle and they were. In the meteorological world,

643
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: this is going to be nerd alert. They have what

644
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: they call closed lows. They're like little bowling balls. I

645
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: remember we used to get them. Sometimes it's the best

646
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: chance for snow if you live in Georgia. That kind

647
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: of roll out of Arkansas and they come through and

648
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: you can't forecast some days in advance. But the thing

649
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: about a closed low is it's kind of providing its

650
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: own energy, It provides its own cold air. It's like

651
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: it's independent of what else is going on in Montana

652
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: or Maine or anything.

653
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: And then once it's gone, it's just gone. You certainly

654
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: hope that's not what LSU's twenty nineteen team was. Where

655
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Speaker 1: they were just this entity in and of themselves that

656
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: rolled through Baton Rouge and it was a magical ride.

657
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: And you will remember it for the rest of your

658
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: life and keep the T shirt. But then once they're gone,

659
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: when we're sitting here in twenty twenty five telling the story,

660
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: once they were gone, everything just returned back to normal.

661
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Normal for LSU would still be really.

662
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: Good, but after you got to taste the last year,

663
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: that's not what you want anymore. So, you know, I

664
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: remember standing on the field when they're playing Alabama, and

665
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: it's standing out to me so much that they were

666
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: the aggressor. They were going into an environment that had

667
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: crippled them mentally so many years in a row, and

668
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: they didn't care. They put Alabama on skates early and often,

669
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: and they dictated terms in the game.

670
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: They did that in all the big games.

671
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: That they played last year, and for the first time

672
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: in a long time, not only did you see offensive modernization.

673
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: If not innovation, you also saw skills.

674
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: You also saw a skill set offensively being properly utilized

675
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: for the first time.

676
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: It seems like in forever you.

677
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: Saw them take the fight to you, and you saw

678
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: them forcing you to adjust to what they did instead

679
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: of the other way around. Now we get to this

680
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: year and we talk about you telling me what they're

681
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: going to do record wise meaning nothing.

682
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Here's what I really mean by that.

683
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: If Colin shakes the aforementioned magic eight ball and it

684
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: spits out ten and two, but the two losses are

685
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: going to be by fourteen and twenty three points respectively

686
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: to Auburn and Alabama.

687
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Or scenario B is nine to three.

688
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: But they lose those three games by a combined eight points,

689
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: and it's nail bider City. And it just so happens

690
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: that better teams in Tuscaloosa and pick.

691
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Two of them. I don't care Auburn Florida. It's just

692
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: hard fought and they don't get out executed, and they

693
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: don't throw the games away. It's just they didn't stack

694
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: up this year.

695
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: Roster wise good enough, but they still played with the

696
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: same edge that they did the year before. I'm taking

697
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: the nine and three scenario over the ten and two

698
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: scenario all day long.

699
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: Because here's the bottom line.

700
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: Even when LSU was what they were before this year,

701
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: they could roster their way to nine wins and in

702
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: some years ten wins.

703
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: But yet you still knew at the end of the.

704
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: Year there is a gap between US and Alabama, and

705
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: therefore there's a gap between US and the top tier

706
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: college football.

707
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: If you're thinking beyond twenty twenty, you think in twenty

708
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two to twenty three, you see how

709
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: they're recruiting guys.

710
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: Talent's not going to be an issue for them, and

711
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: converting it into skill, which is a lot less frequently

712
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: talked about than talent, but is more important than just

713
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: the talent. That's not going to be an issue for

714
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: them either, I don't think in the foreseeable future. But

715
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: the identity and DNA and makeup, the mental makeup collectively

716
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: of the program. That's what you want to make sure

717
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: is intact. And if it's intact, I don't care if

718
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: they go nine to three this year, you'll be able

719
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: to tell why if they lose to Alabama, how do

720
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: they lose to them?

721
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: What does the game look like.

722
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: I can assure you I don't expect thirty one to

723
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: thirteen on the side of the Crimson tide this year

724
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: if the DNA has been properly injected and then it's

725
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: been harnessed, because you can turn over all the other

726
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: stuff as long as you have the foundation laid. That's

727
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: the expectation. That's what's reasonable. It's reasonable to expect ed

728
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: or Ziram to earn his money in maintaining the identity

729
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: that they forged last year, independent of what the record's

730
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: going to be this year, because the record will be back.

731
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: Man, they got a lot to overturn this year, they

732
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: got a lot to replace.

733
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: And they don't get to do it in this vacuum

734
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: of a weak conference like some others may get to do.

735
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: They got to do it right smack dab in the

736
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: middle of the toughest division, most competitive division in college football.

737
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: So it's very realistic to drop off to ten and two,

738
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: nine to three and still be one of the ten

739
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: best teams in the country. If that is the path

740
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: the go this year. I'm not worried about LSU at all.

741
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: Think they'll be just fine. All right, let's move on

742
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: and some Q and A here and again the Q

743
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: and A on the end of are shows on YouTube

744
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: a little bit different.

745
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of a preview. You know what I'm about

746
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: to do. Here is this very condensed preview of what

747
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: the entire Late Kick Extra podcast is. So if you

748
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: haven't already subscribed to the Late Kick Extra podcast, I mean,

749
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: I guess it's just called The Late Kick with Josh Pate,

750
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: the title of the show on Wednesday's Extra, and give

751
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: us those five star reviews and those written reviews.

752
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Ray, Actually this is from the podcast review comments section.

753
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: I encourage you to do it. Ray did it.

754
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: A lot of you did it, and I'm going to

755
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: get to all of you on the Wednesday podcast. But

756
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: this was a really good question that I wanted to

757
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: hit tonight only because I was talking to someone in

758
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: this field this week. Ray says, as I know you're

759
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 2: well aware how college football is always evolving, and usually

760
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: the most successful teams are at the forefront of that evolution.

761
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: I know you've mentioned Alabama's new strength and conditioning staff,

762
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: but what other things and what other teams. Do you

763
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: also see making that jump to be ahead of others

764
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: and what are they doing. I'm not privy to the

765
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: inner workings of all these programs. I am privy to

766
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: the inner workings of some of them. Ray He also

767
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: and some of you also asked like, how do you

768
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: see it? And where does the rubber meet the road

769
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: on this stuff? How could you ever definitively tell who's

770
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: got the better strength and conditioning programs?

771
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: Most of the time you can't. To the naked eye,

772
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: you probably can't. But here's what I rely on.

773
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: People inside that industry, not just coaches, not just administrators,

774
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: but also people in the strength and conditioning in sports

775
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: science fields. That portion of the college football industry, as

776
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: I like to call it, LSU, is phenomenal at it.

777
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: They've been phenomenal at it.

778
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: They've overturned a lot of their program and the sports

779
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: science aspects and the strength and conditioning aspects for a

780
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: couple of years. Ohio State is phenomenal at that, and

781
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: there are going to be a lot I don't name

782
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: that are doing a good job. But when I was

783
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 2: talking about Alabama the other day, I was mentioning them

784
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: as having fallen behind not in just my opinion, but

785
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: his Nick Saban, because we interviewed him a couple of

786
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: weeks ago and he said as much, and the opinions

787
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: of some other people in his program and other people

788
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: around the SEC that i'd spoken to a field that

789
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: they were once at the forefront of strength and conditioning

790
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: ten years.

791
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: Ago, they had fallen behind him.

792
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: And so I started asking more questions, and first off,

793
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: the answers across the board are the team they just

794
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: hired of doctor Matt Ray and David Blue in very

795
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: short time will put them right back at the forefront

796
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: of the college football industry when it comes to strength training,

797
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: sports science, all that stuff. I mean, they will be

798
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: right at the head of the pack.

799
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: Again very quickly.

800
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: Like you'll see immediate return on that investment. You'll see

801
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: it this year. But some of you were asking, and

802
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: Ray was kind of hinting at this as well, how.

803
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Does it all translate?

804
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 2: And essentially what I take that to mean is when

805
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: you break it down into layman's terms, which I have

806
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: to do to be able to talk about it. Obviously,

807
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 2: when you break it down in the layman's terms, how

808
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: do we explain this this new evolution from just strength

809
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: and conditioning. To all of a sudden, everyone talks about

810
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: sports science. Well what is that really? So I asked

811
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: one of these strength guys that I'm in pretty frequent

812
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: contact with, break this down, like Michael Scott, I want

813
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: you to explain this to me like I'm five years old.

814
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: And they did. They used actually a metaphor that I've

815
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: used on this show before, the old cup metaphor, the

816
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: old thermist metaphor. Now those of you who are listening

817
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: on the podcast can't see what I'm holding in my hand,

818
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: you're going to have to pretend. But think about strength

819
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: training like this. Think about strength training as a cup.

820
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: And this is old school versus new school.

821
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: It used to be that everyone was focused on strength, strength, strength, bigger, faster, stronger,

822
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: but mainly bigger and stronger because you know, you just

823
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: got speed. I mean, speed is speed, You're born with it,

824
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: which in a lot of ways is true. What you

825
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: would do is you would take one hundred percent of

826
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: the time energy that you focus per week on strength

827
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: training and let's just turn that metaphorically into liquid and

828
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: a cup, and you're just pouring it and pouring it

829
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: and pouring.

830
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: It, and it fills up halfway, fills up three quarters

831
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: of the way.

832
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: And even though you've only used up eighty percent of

833
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: your weekly time and energy that you're going to spend

834
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: on this, the cup's already full. Well, you keep pouring.

835
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: You still got twenty percent to go. What happens to

836
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: the liquid that you keep pouring for the final twenty percent?

837
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: It just spills out of the cup and then you

838
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: take the cup and then you pour it out on

839
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: the field on Saturday.

840
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: You got a full cup to pour out there. It's

841
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: going to be really good.

842
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: And as long as no one's really advanced in the

843
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: supports science field, you're still gonna beat everyone, because hey,

844
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: if you're in Alabama, your cup's bigger than everyone else.

845
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: But then here's what happens. What happens is you're still

846
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: pouring in your cup every year because it's working for you.

847
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: But then someone else has the bright idea to go

848
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: out and get this great, big bowl.

849
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: And they set the bowl down on the table. But

850
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: then they set the cup inside the bowl and they

851
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 2: start pouring. Poor, poor, poor, poor poor, and they're still

852
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 2: focusing on a lot of the stuff that you focused

853
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: on a decade ago, and the cup gets full, I've

854
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: only used eighty percent of my energy and focus on

855
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: strength training.

856
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: The cup's full, But then I keep pouring, keep pouring,

857
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: keep pouring.

858
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: Difference being the sports science aspects of this, they are

859
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: kind of the bowl that captured the rest of the

860
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: liquid and one hundred percent of the time and the

861
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: energy that you invested into this portion of your program

862
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: you now get to keep because the bowl caught the residual,

863
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: and the residual is.

864
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: Sort of the extra.

865
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 2: It's the cherry on top that the sports science aspect

866
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: adds into the old school techniques that in some cases

867
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: still work. And when you watch on TV on Saturday,

868
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: there is no way to know. You know, if a

869
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: guy goes down to a knee injury and the next

870
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: quarter a guy goes down to what looks like a

871
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: bad injury, but oh well, clap him off the field,

872
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: he got up and jogged away, crisis averted. There's no

873
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: way to know any one, given injury who poor strength

874
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: and conditioning practice has caused that one who are really

875
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: advanced sports science prevented that injury. But the cumulative effect

876
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: over the course of a season, when you start seeing

877
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: two and three years together now where your injuries continue

878
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: to reduce and the recovery times continue to improve.

879
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: That's when you all of a sudden see it.

880
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: And then when you look cumulatively again over the span

881
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: of a few years and you realize the Bowl capturing

882
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: that extra investment that you make in your program is

883
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: indeed capturing it all, and you can use it now

884
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: and you can harness it now because you have the

885
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: resources to do it. Then all of a sudden, you

886
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: see a few more wins over the span of that timeframe.

887
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: You may even see a championship in there. But the

888
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: bottom line, to lay it down, the bottom line is

889
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: the focus of these programs and these street training programs

890
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: is to keep players on the field. Like that's it.

891
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: I had a back and forth with a guy in

892
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: a comment section today who argued vehemently he thought he

893
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: was arguing against me, and he's arguing he gets Nick

894
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: Saban because the guy said, you're crazy. You suggested that

895
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: LSU's strength the conditioning in Sports Science program bypassed Alabama.

896
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: That's insane.

897
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: We just suffered from a bunch of injuries in the

898
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: past two years, or else we would have beaten them.

899
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: And it's like I understand the irony slapping him in

900
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: the face. He just feels the slap but doesn't know

901
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: where it's coming from. They couldn't keep kids on the

902
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: field because of what we're talking about, and that is

903
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: no longer again isolated examples could just be anecdotal, but

904
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: we have a ton of evidence, years worth of evidence now.

905
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: Nick Saban himself felt the need to make the change

906
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: if he saw it and if they saw it internally,

907
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: and they already felt like going in a different direction

908
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: even before all this Scott Cochran stuff kind of opened

909
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: the spot up and opened the door for him.

910
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: Then who am I to refute it?

911
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: I'm just going along with it, And in most cases

912
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: when I'm talking about anything scientific, I can assure you

913
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: I am relying on the words that someone far more

914
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: informed than I has shared with me. So that's what

915
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm doing right now. But it's a totally new world.

916
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: You would have your mind blown, because I've had my

917
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: mind blown talking to people about what they focus on.

918
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Now.

919
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: Now, the one I've mentioned a couple of times and

920
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: you guys asked me about it, the ocular vision. The

921
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: LSU was really big on this last year ocular strength,

922
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: talking about which I is dominant. And therefore, now let

923
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: me tell you how nuanced and how granular they get

924
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: on this stuff. I'm not gonna get too deep on

925
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: this because I'll just screw it up. But when you

926
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: break down this stuff at the granular level that they do,

927
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: and they get into the ocular strength, and they get

928
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: into charting which side of the field your receiver performs

929
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: better on, they have this data set to where they'll

930
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: show what looks inexplicable. You'll have a receiver that they

931
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: had a ninety eight percent complete percentage on one side

932
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: of the field and seventy two on the other. And

933
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: what they determine is one of his eyes is stronger

934
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: than the other. It's ocular strength. The science behind it's

935
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: incredible and I can't even pretend to understand it, but

936
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one they pointed out to me. An

937
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: LSU person pointed out, we're looking at b Roll if

938
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: you're watching on YouTube of the SEC Championship game. Now,

939
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: obviously in highlight packages, we don't show videos of players

940
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: dropping balls. But I believe, and you guys can correct

941
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, I believe it was like justin Jefferson,

942
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: there was a wide open touchdown that LSU dropped in

943
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: this game. And so when I'm talking to the LSU folks,

944
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the ocular vision and I'm not talking

945
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: at all. I'm sitting there with my mouth wide open listening.

946
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: That's the kind of pass they pointed out. When you

947
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: watch a guy. I think about Jerry gd with Alabama,

948
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: there were some key games this past year where he'd

949
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: drop balls.

950
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: It's just inexplicable, like he's do you think he's the

951
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: best receiver in America. You'll watch big time receivers all

952
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: the time and you'll see him drop balls. They do

953
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: it in the NFL. They I am not going to

954
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: mention the names.

955
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: They gave me some NFL players and they ran the

956
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: data sets on them with the ocular vision and the

957
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: strong side weak side of the field for their reception totals,

958
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: and it will blow your mind. And they've determined it

959
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: all comes down to ocular vision. So the point is,

960
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: you sit there and you think about strength training, strength

961
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: and conditioning, sports science. You think about how much can

962
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: you squat, how much can you bench? How much can

963
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: you power clean?

964
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff they're doing to understand

965
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: how deep that goes and how much you have to

966
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: stay on top of things, and how much you have

967
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: to evolve year over year over year.

968
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: You got to update fifteen percent of your program year

969
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: over year over year. And sometimes your success can cripple

970
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: you because the last thing on earth anyone thinks they

971
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: need to do when they're winning is change, and that's

972
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: how you get bypassed. But fortunately for a school like Alabama,

973
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: they can afford to get right back to the front

974
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: of the line, and I think they're going to. But

975
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: the sports science stuff, I would encourage you to read

976
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: up on it as much as you can. Most of

977
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: it you're not going to understand, at least I don't,

978
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: but it gives you a s glimpse into the window

979
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: that is the next big thing in college football.

980
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: That is the separator.

981
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: It used to be again, like ten years ago, for

982
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: a little while, if you just had the superior strength

983
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: training program, you could bludgeon people to death and you

984
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: could win eleven game's minimum that way. If you had

985
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: the best athletes, just get them as big and strong

986
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: as possible and just.

987
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: Bang bang bang, lean, lean lean, you win.

988
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: But then enough people figure that out, or enough people

989
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 2: adapted and involve their own methodology to where you had

990
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: to adapt, and that's where we are now. Strength training

991
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: is still very important, but then you also talk about

992
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: the scientific approach, and that's still in a lot of

993
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: ways in the sports world. You're still sort of at

994
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: the dawning of that new era, which leads me to

995
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: wonder what will be like in twenty thirty.

996
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Speaker 1: So been a good show tonight.

997
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Speaker 2: Again, we have got Memorial Day tomorrow, so happy early

998
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: Memorial Day to everyone. Our schedule is still going to

999
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: be the same this week, so get your questions in

1000
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Speaker 2: for the late Extra podcast. We'll do that on Wednesday.

1001
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Speaker 2: We'll release it on Wednesday. We will recorded on Tuesday. Also,

1002
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Speaker 2: we will be back here same time Thursday night, eight Eastern,

1003
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Speaker 2: seventh Central. We have had, and I want to stress,

1004
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Speaker 2: phenomenal traffic on this platform, the twenty four to seven

1005
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Speaker 2: Sports YouTube channel. We have had phenomenal traffic on the podcast,

1006
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: not just mine, Barton and but are doing a really

1007
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: good one the College Football Daily, which they've had me

1008
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Speaker 2: on a couple times. I don't know if that's the

1009
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Speaker 2: brightest idea in the world for them. Needless to say,

1010
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Speaker 2: we have a whole lot of really good stuff coming

1011
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: your way and more ideas daily or sort of getting

1012
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: the training wheels put on them and then hopefully taken off.

1013
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Speaker 2: So look forward to all that and look forward to

1014
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Speaker 2: talking to you again Wednesday, seeing you again Thursday. Until then,

1015
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Speaker 2: For director Colin, for Aaron, for Tani and the podcasting department,

1016
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Speaker 2: I'm Josh Pate.

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Speaker 1: Have a great week.