1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Player's 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: label broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star. Hi, 4 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: everybody knew, he scrugs here. It's not the Player's lounge 5 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: because we do that at two thirty, and it's usually 6 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: with Danny Mccraneberry Church. They're not here. We're doing a 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: scramble today. So I am pleased to work with the 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: first time Mickey Spacknola, Dallas Cowboys dot Com. HECKM. Harrison 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: and Isaiah stand back here. So, guys, I just want 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: to have fun for forty five minutes. I'm going to 11 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: defer to you for a whole lot here. I'll kind 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: of lead this thing, but I want you guys to 13 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: do what you normally do on your pod cast, which 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: entertained me by the way I watched them. I watched 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: them daily. First off, how's everybody doing, how's everybody doing? 16 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: All Christmas eve? Wonderful, wonderful doing. Good man, this is 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: this is it right here. We got six more days 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: to the end of twenty twenty. Christmas is here, and man, 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: it's just a blessing to be with you guys. Now, 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: everything's good this way, no, man, I mean my pockets 21 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: are a little lighter than they typically are this time 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: of the year, you know, But everything's good, man, I'm good. 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be able to give you 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: an update on practice as practice went along, but they 25 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: went indoors. So I'm here at the Star in one 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: of the little offices, the meeting rooms, and I'm glad 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: to be with you guys. Excellent, So, Mickey, I haven't 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: been in the Star forever and a day, So tell 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: me what's the protocol to get in that thing? Man, 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: I haven't been in forever here. Well, it depends on 31 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: which end you want to enter. If you want to 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: enter where the players and the staff enter, that's on 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: the to buy left, on the other side of the 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: Doctor the new Doctor Pepper building, and you have to 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: pass a COVID test every day. Now, if you want 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: to enter on our side where the media comes in, 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: you just have to fill out your little form no no, no, 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: no no, hopefully and have your temperature taken and you're 39 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: allowed in. So we are on this end of the 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: building and we aren't allowed to go on the other 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: end of the building, and they're really not allowed to 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: come to our side either, by the way, all right, 43 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: these are the changes that we've had for COVID nineteen 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty. Hopefully we can get back to the 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: way things used to be. Twenty one Cowboys hosting the 46 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: Eagles at A and T and T Stadium on Sunday. 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Here m make one start with you on this. Antoine Woods, 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Layton Xavier Woods could possibly miss this football game. What 49 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: will that mean? Mickey? Start with us and everybody go 50 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: around here and give me your take of these three 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: gentlemen aren't line up on Sunday. Yeah, and the Woods, 52 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the Woods is are not practicing again today. They didn't 53 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: practice yesterday, so yeah, it looks like they're probably missing 54 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the game. Layton Vanderish, I think with a high ankle sprain, 55 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: he's probably definitely out. He hasn't practiced. Ezekiel Elliott was 56 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: going to be limited today and I think they're hopeful 57 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: that he can make it. Same thing with Blake Bell. 58 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: He's got an illness and he hasn't practiced these last 59 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: two days, but McCarthy anticipates him being ready to go. 60 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: And Michael Gallup was full yesterday expected to be full today, 61 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: so he should be good to go. So yeah, the 62 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: two woodses what a Xavier down. Likely they'll use Darian 63 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: Thompson as one of the safeties along with Donovan Wilson, 64 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: and as Mike talked today, they'll probably be be training 65 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: some of one or two of the corners to fill 66 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: in at the safety position along with Reggie Robinson if 67 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: indeed he's ready. At least he played more special teams 68 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: tackles in this in this pass game, ask for Antoine. 69 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: That means Justin Hamilton plan more at defensive tackle. And 70 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, if you noticed what they did last week 71 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: when they went into their nickel in definite passing situations, 72 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: they moved Alden Smith inside as a defensive tackle and 73 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford. So that'll be a shared position without Antoine 74 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: in there, and you'd sure like to have him in 75 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: there because, as you know, dying well, what Philadelphia wants 76 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: to do. They want to run the football like everybody 77 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: else wants to do against this Cowboys defense. Thoughts, Yeah, no, 78 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean in terms of the guys that we potentially 79 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: might be missing. I know, we typically have the Connor bros. 80 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: That we're talking about, but the Woods bros. Now, both 81 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: of those guys, their presence are going to be dearly missed, 82 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: obviously in the secondary, just that veteran presence back there. 83 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: Not even that he's been that exceptional this year, because 84 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has been on that on that 85 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: side of things, but I think you just had just 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: that veteran presence and having all of our guys last 87 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: week was huge. So we'll definitely miss him Lvie. I 88 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: don't think that we'll miss Lvee as much as people think. 89 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: I know that he's in there. He's a shot caller, 90 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: he's a captain on that side, and really controls everything 91 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: on the defense side of the ball. But we have 92 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: another intellectual guy in the form of Sean lead At 93 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: a step in, and I'm a big fan of Joe 94 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: Thomas and his athleticism and what he brings to this team. 95 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: With him and Jaylen Smith hopefully being able to if 96 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: they're making the right and if they are where they're 97 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: supposed to be, their athleticism will pay huge dividends this 98 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: game against this against this offense. And I think probably 99 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: more than more than anything, we're gonna miss the big 100 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: boy in the middle, Big Woods, because we know um 101 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: as making ready alluded to it, these guys are gonna 102 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: try to run the ball at us, and you need 103 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: somebody to really clog some things up because they're gonna 104 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: try to pull their guards, um and pull their centers 105 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: and things of that nature to try to get off 106 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: on the edge. So I think out of every position 107 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: that we're gonna be missing out of those guys, I 108 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: think big Woods in the middle is probably gonna be 109 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: the biggest loss we have. You know, I say, I'm 110 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: not gonna argue with you on Christmas Eve about them. 111 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna do it. But you know, of 112 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: the linebackers that I feel like, you know, all the 113 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: run stuffers, the guys that do better against the run, 114 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: LV is the one. And like Mix said, you know 115 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: what the Eagles are gonna do. They're gonna run the ball. 116 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: And no one is hedging their bets against the Eagles, 117 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: not trying to establish the running game the entire game. 118 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: But with the way that the numbers have been against 119 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: this Cowboys defense. But you guys have already said it 120 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: with Antoine Woods in the middle, he'll be missing that rotation. 121 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: But again, Neville Gallimore has shown you that he has 122 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: the ability to make plays behind Hamilton with Hamilton and 123 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: the other guys. Uh and just look, man, our defense 124 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: as of late has you know, the turnover differential and 125 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: all of that has made the difference in these ball games. 126 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: So if they can continue that, even with the guys 127 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: that we're gonna have missing, I'm excited about their chances 128 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: on Sunday. But you know, in the back half of 129 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: our defense, if we fill in with guys like you know, 130 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: obviously having Donovan Wilson Thompson back there, you know, I'm 131 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: not as worried about the secondary simply because, like you said, Isaiah, 132 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: it's not as though we've had exceptional play from Xavier 133 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: Woods all season. So I mean, again there's the communication 134 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: that I feel like we've gotten better over the last 135 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: couple of games and hopefully we can continue with that. Man, 136 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: you're looking good. I love the Christmas outfit. Man, you 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: got a party afterwards you're going to I mean, you're 138 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: looking at going on. Man, and that boy sharp and 139 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: he knew he that boy cast get sharp. I trying 140 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: to tell you, here's here's a thing, here's a thing 141 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna be on with you and 142 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: anytime Mickey's around. I gotta be clean for Mickey. I mean, 143 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: this is why I did it, because I was gonna 144 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: be on with Mickey Spagnola. You know, come on now, 145 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: you guys gotta be I'm surprised y'all didn't put on 146 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: touched those two. No man, no, no, I'm actually gonna 147 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get done with this podcast. And I got it. 148 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: I got a head out here to go to go 149 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: pick up this Christmas cake. So I'm about to go 150 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: fight some crowds. So I'm just yes, I'm just gonna 151 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: be dressed down, pick up this Christmas cake, and I 152 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: gotta get some whole milk because I gotta make my 153 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: French toast pantatone uh for for most Christmas Breakfast. And 154 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: then I'll be done and i'll be out. I'll be 155 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: out him so so I'll be uh be all good there. 156 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: Um let me let me just dive here into this 157 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Eagles and Isaiah I want to start with you on this. 158 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts he's about to make another start, and the 159 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: young man from Oklahoma and Alabama. In his first few games, 160 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: he's been electric. And that game against Arizona, he was 161 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: three hundred three eight yards in the air for three touchdowns, 162 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: and he ran on the ball eleven times for sixty 163 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: three yards and a touchdown, four toll touchdowns. If you 164 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: were Mike Nolan, how do you slow up Jalen Hurts, 165 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: who's come in here and electrified this Eagle's offense man. 166 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, knew you simplify things and 167 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: you you just make sure that guys understand what their 168 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: role is, who they are, what their role is on 169 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: his team. Right, tell them to play within themselves and 170 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: within their position. You ask guys to be as discipline 171 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: as they can be because there's really no win. Whether 172 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: you sit back in the zone, he's gonna pick you apart. Right. 173 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: Everybody talks about his athleticism, but a beheaved as we 174 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: saw last week, he is. He is picking guys a bar. 175 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: He is precise with his passes. He's sitting back there. 176 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: He's confident his office. A line was given him time 177 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: and he could die that thing up. He's smart enough 178 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: to identify what the coverages are in the weak spots 179 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: in his ownes. So you don't want to just sit back, Okay, Well, 180 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: what's the opposite of that? People say, well, how about 181 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: we blitz him, right, Let's put some pressure on him, 182 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: let's make him uncomfortable. Well, that's probably not what you 183 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: want to do either, because he's one of the more 184 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: athletic quarterbacks in this league. Oh, he's probably the strongest 185 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: quarterback in this league. I would probably say as well. 186 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: So that's probably not gonna work out too well for you. 187 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: So if I can't blitz and I can't sit back 188 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: in coverage, what do I do? Well? Again, you ask 189 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: guys to play the coverage that you're that you're that 190 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: you're calling, and you just tell them to be disciplined 191 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: and play team ball. And that's the only way that 192 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna that You're gonna get this guy and hope 193 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: that he that he lays a ball on the ground. 194 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: As I know, Heck is gonna gonna talk about how 195 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: he's susceptible to turnovers in that regard. Yeah, I had 196 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: allow up. Yeah newly. I just feel like, you know, 197 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: with the NFL being a league based off of evaluating guys, 198 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: and I believe with the way he's come in, a 199 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: lot of defensive coordinators hadn't been able to pick apart 200 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: his game. See what he likes to do and see 201 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: what Peterson likes to set him up. Now the film 202 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: is out there and you can start to kind of 203 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: figure out where they're trying to place him with the 204 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: bootlegs and motions and things like that to make him comfortable. Uh. 205 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, his skill set from Carson Wentz is pretty 206 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: much night and day. I feel like just because Carson Wentz, 207 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: I believe talent wise is the better is the better quarterback. 208 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: He's just having a horrible year uh this year. But 209 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: for our defense, it's it's the things that got us 210 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: in trouble in the past. Right, guy's not playing assignment 211 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: sound and admit ad libbing and just doing things on 212 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: their own. We have to get home that we have 213 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: to manufacture that pass rush with not not adding extra 214 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: guys to it. And that's that's gonna fall in the 215 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: lap of God's like Tank Lawrence uh and getting that 216 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: backside pressure and Randy Gregory as well Alden Smith. You know, 217 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: these are the names that we're gonna have to be 218 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: saying a lot by making Jalen Hurts uncomfortable. He's still 219 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: a rookie, right, He's still a rookie. And as much 220 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: as we want to you know, pump him up because 221 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: of the match up. There are some things that I 222 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: feel like, Mike Nolan should you do to make him uncomfortable? 223 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: And those things obviously going to be with tinkering his coverage. 224 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, Showman plays own things like that too. Safety 225 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: maybe one safety high, just to confuse the looks that 226 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurst believes that he has pre snapped. You know, guys, 227 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: I had lost connection there, so I wasn't concentrate on 228 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: whatever everything you said. But if they don't stop the run, 229 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: they aren't going to get a chance to rush the quarterback. 230 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: So they better be able to figure out how to 231 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: stop the run. And especially if Philadelphia decides to go 232 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: two tight ends or two running backs, and then the 233 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys are coming in there with their little nickel defense 234 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: and some skinny ass safety close to the line of 235 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: scrimmage instead of another linebacker, And now you're down a 236 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: linebacker without Layton vander Esh. You know, you again to 237 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: play Shaun Lee and Joe Thomas. But again, to me, 238 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: you're overwhelmed than personnel if they go a run heavy 239 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: offense and you're sitting there in your nickel defense. So yeah, 240 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: you guys, talked about getting pressure on Jalen Hurts, and 241 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: I get that, but if they start running the football. 242 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean you talked about how the defense played better. 243 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: They gave up one hundred and fifty yards rushing to 244 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: San Francisco, and San Francisco had a big neon sign 245 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: out there saying We're going to run and they couldn't 246 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: stop it. So to me, they got to stop Jalen 247 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: Hurts from running, and they got to stop the rest 248 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: of that Philadelphia offense from running. And by the way, 249 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: I would rather see Carson Rentz Wentz out there than 250 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts running around with the football. So make it's 251 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: still an upset about that Baltimore defense that Mike Rola 252 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: ran out there. Hey, I got a question for you, Mick. 253 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: I know, I know you said the neon I think 254 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: I saw the neon sign flashing too. I don't know 255 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: if you saw that as well. Maybe it was just 256 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: me blinking a lot, but but San Francisco came in 257 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: here and did what they did. We didn't necessarily stop 258 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: them a whole bunch, right, they were running the ball 259 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: like they wanted to. My question is, and my concern, 260 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: I know you're talking about the skinny the skinny secondary 261 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: guy coming down there. But I feel as if we 262 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: almost have to bring in a secondary guy to guard 263 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: if they do go two tights with these tight ends, 264 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: because these tight ends can get off the ball. These 265 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: tight ends are both dangerous and Jalen It likes to 266 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: throw to these guys and he's gonna put it on 267 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: the money, So he's gonna body up some smaller guys 268 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: and he's gonna run by the linebackers. So both of you, 269 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: so what what do you do as a defensive coordinator 270 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: if you're if you're facing these guys. If I'm the 271 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: de coordinator, I'm gonna bring my my extra safeties in. 272 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: I know, we got about thirty of them now right, 273 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna bring one of my extra safeties in. And 274 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell these guys put your hands on these 275 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: guys at the line of scrimmage and disrupt it. And 276 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: if they run the ball, you need to get on 277 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: the outside and shoot and hunker down and have leverage. 278 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: And I hope that your boys come home from the inside. Well, 279 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: the thing I can the thing I worry about also 280 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: is one of the things he started doing these last 281 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: couple games is playing a five man line with Dorin's 282 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: armstrong acting like a strong side linebacker that he's not, 283 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: by the way. And so now once you miss a gap, 284 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: you only got one linebacker standing there, and it's it's 285 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: Katie Barr the door you're gone. To me, that second 286 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: level of the defense is non existent when you do that, 287 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: and I think that causes problems. I worry about him running. 288 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: I know he threw for three hundred yards last week, 289 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: but the first week he started, he ran for one 290 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: hundred yards. And we saw what Lamar Jackson did running 291 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: the ball. We saw what Kyler Murray did running the ball. 292 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: They've got to figure out how to stop that before 293 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: they earned the right to rush the quarterback. So, menike, 294 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: let me say this. So when we say the defense 295 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: is playing better, we're saying, look, they didn't give up 296 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: three hundred yards. They gave a bunch of fifty yards 297 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: over the business in last place. We gotta find a 298 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: civil lining to all of this. Obviously, you know you 299 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: gotta line up and stop the run for the Eagles. True, 300 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: but you can't. Maybe you can't take away everything in 301 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: our Achilles Hill has been the amount of yards that 302 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: we've been giving up in the running game. So as 303 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: long as they don't go for three hundred, yeah, we 304 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: should be okay. No, as long as they take the 305 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: ball over, tike the ball away four times, they're okay. 306 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: If you don't get those takeaways. San Francisco had four 307 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight yards. I forgot I put the quarterback. 308 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: It was a backup quarterback and they had four hundred 309 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: and fifty eight yards. Come on, all right, let's take 310 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: a break here. Nicky's fired up and I love fired up, Mickey. 311 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: I love fired up, Mickey. I do want to discuss 312 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: some comments that Ezekiel Elliott made to the media. Also 313 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's job status and that possibly he could be 314 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: moving on to an excellent opportunity if it comes this way, 315 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and so the most disappointing thing that three guys have 316 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: had to check out this year. This is a scrambled 317 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: edition of the Players Lounge. I'm knew We Scruggs along 318 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: with Harrison, Isaiah Standback and Mickispagnol on Dallas Cowboys dot 319 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: Com Radio. 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But today we 355 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: got heck my Harrison, Isaiah stand back and Mickey Spagnola 356 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: doing it with me. Nui scrugs and um let me 357 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: dive into one ezekiel alliet. This has been the most 358 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: disappointing year of Zeke's career, and he missed last week 359 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: this game with a calf injury, says he wants to play. 360 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: This is what Ezekiel had to say about people calling 361 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: for his job because Tony Pollard looked good last last 362 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: week filling in for him, and he said, quote, at 363 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: the end of the day, those people aren't signing my checks. 364 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: Those aren't the cats that are making the final decision. 365 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: I think there's a reason they're not the ones making 366 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: those decisions. I don't think it really matters. Hackman's going 367 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: to start with you your thoughts on Ezekiel Elliott and 368 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: what he had to say, because there are people who 369 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: were disappointed in his performance this year, and you've seen 370 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: social media, some people saying he's overrated. Some people say 371 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: it's a bad deal your tech. Yeah, I mean fair 372 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: enough from ezekiel standpoint to say that. And this has 373 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: just been one of those things in twenty twenty that 374 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: people have been talking about him and losing a burst, 375 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: losing burst and not being what he used to be 376 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: in years past. And he hears the whispers from that, 377 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: especially like you said, on social media, but he has 378 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: to keep his blinder zone and not pay attention to 379 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: things like that, and even the people that are saying 380 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: that Tony Pollard was that much better of a running 381 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: back than him on last Sunday, Obviously we're not looking 382 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: at the carriers and numbers before that forty yard touchdown Birst. 383 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: So look, I think for it's about getting his health back, 384 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: about having those OTA's training camps, and really coming back 385 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: stronger next year. This has been an off year, and 386 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: the people and the people that are not given credit 387 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: to the fact that he has been running behind a 388 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: beat up offensive line and not been and hasn't been 389 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: able to be the running back that he had been 390 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: in the past. I just I think that they are 391 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: looking at this and they're being very short sighted. It's 392 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: not a beat up offensive line, it's a second rate 393 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: offensive line. What you said, they ain't got nobody that 394 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: can block, you know, if you can't protect the quarterback, 395 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: which makes you think you can block through the running game, 396 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: and you know, you guys said these people who are 397 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: these people? Did these people realize that Tony Pollard had 398 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: ten carries for twenty three yards before his last two 399 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: carries for forty six yards, he was averaging two point 400 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: three yards of carry. It wasn't because of his talent. 401 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: It was because that offensive line can't run block and 402 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: they have been able to run block all season long. 403 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Once they lose three starters, and to me, you guys, 404 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: and you tell me if you think so or not, 405 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: think lost four starters because I think Tyler Beidis had 406 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: won that starting center job. Ye. Yeah, you guys are 407 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: on the money for all those people. First of all, 408 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: let me address Zeke. Zeke, um bro, don't don't listen 409 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: to these casts. So every understands. Everybody's gonna have an 410 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: opinion regardless. Everybody has an opinion. You don't have to 411 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: agree with it or you can roll with it. Either way, 412 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna have an opinion. Okay, So don't have to 413 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: listen to it. You don't even have to respond to 414 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: these people when you talk about these people, Mick. These 415 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: people are the people out there that are just again 416 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: they like like like like Zeke said, they're not signing 417 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: in a check, so I really can't care less what 418 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: they have to say. Right, Zeke is still Zeke. Let's 419 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: not get it mixed up. He had he had a 420 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: couple of bad games where he fumbled. Last time I checked. 421 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: I think every player and goes through a series of 422 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: bad games. It happens, It happens. Okay, nobody's talking about 423 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson fell off, right, And Russell Wilson he's had 424 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: he's had some bad games this year. Right, So you're 425 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: you're you're allowed to have bad games. Right. The thing 426 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: that sucks here is your you're a Dallas cowboy. You 427 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: just got a big contract. Oh and by the way, 428 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, um now you're playing with your third and 429 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: fourth string, you know, office alignment. Oh okay, yeah, that's 430 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: that's a perfect, perfect concoction for for a great year. 431 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: It's not realistic. People, And like Mick just just talked about, 432 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter if it's Tony Pollard, It 433 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's Zeke uh em it unless you 434 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: go get Barry Sanders back there, who who historically played 435 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: with a bad office a line. He's the only person 436 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna make some of these plays positive. And that's 437 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: the reality of the matter. If you can't get past 438 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, what versus there to see? What's what? What? 439 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: What versus there to see? What Tony Pollard is is 440 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: a is a is a third down back right type 441 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: scat back who's who's who. His job is to get 442 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: those third down conversions and to be receiving back. That's 443 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: what he does well. Zeke is a power back whose 444 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: job is to gree in there, empower that thing up 445 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: in there and guess what. Oh, by the way, when 446 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: those guys decided to blitz, I'm gonna make him pay 447 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: for it. That's what Zeke is there for. And you 448 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: paid him based upon the success that he was having 449 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: with that offensive line, not the success he's having without 450 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: the offensive line. So give the man a chance. Get 451 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: off his back. I don't there care who it is 452 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: back there. They're gonna struggle with this officsive line, as 453 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: Mick said, and they're playing with bad pad level and 454 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: you can't you can't get you can't get underneath nobody, 455 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: you can't move anybody out the way. This is why 456 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: I enjoy this scramble right here, getting different perspectives from 457 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: guys on this. Let me switch to the offensive coordinator, 458 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore is a legend at Boise State University. 459 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: He finished with a fifty and three record as a 460 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: starting player from two thousand and seven to two thousand 461 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: and eleven. Brian Harrison left the Broncos went to Auburn University. 462 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: One of the things he spoke about was he wanted 463 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: Boise State to get out of the Mountain West because 464 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like they can make making in the 465 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: College Football Playoff in that league. So he decided, you 466 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna leave myself. So he's now 467 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: in the SEC. The job is open for the first 468 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: time since two thousand and one. Kellen Moore, is this 469 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: the best opportunity and the opportunity that he wants to 470 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: go be the head coach to go home at Boise 471 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: State University? Do you think it'll happen? I'll start with you, 472 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: Mickey spagnol, Well, I think it comes down to what 473 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: his priorities are. Does he want to be a college 474 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: coach or does he want to be an NFL coach? 475 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: And as we've seen lately in the NFL, if you're 476 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: an awfully good coordinator, no matter how young you are, 477 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: you just might land a head coaching job. If you 478 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: go to Boise State and you still want to be 479 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: an NFL head coach, then it's a stepping stone job, right, 480 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: And you got to ask yourself do I want to recruit? 481 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: Do I want to have to go out there in 482 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: this day and age and sell myself to some seventeen 483 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: and eighteen year old kid, or do I want to 484 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: sit here in one of the top franchises in the 485 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: National Football League and continue to make my name for 486 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: myself and I know who my orderback is, by the way, 487 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: even keep them healthy. So yeah, I think it comes 488 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: down to him. I mean, didn't he have this opportunity 489 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: to be the offensive coordinator there a year or two 490 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: ago and he decided to stay here? So uh, and 491 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: you know what happens here when Jerry wants to keep 492 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: an assistant coach, you know, he'll tell them, so that 493 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: I think it comes down to what his priorities are, 494 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: because I think absolutely they want him to come back 495 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: and be the head coach. If I'm if I'm calling Moore, 496 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: There's no way I leave the Cowboys to go be 497 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: the coach of at Boise State, even with all of 498 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: his you know, popularity at Boise I just feel like 499 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: he's been knighted by the organization to be you know, 500 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: the heir apparent. Maybe when you know McCarthy's era is over, 501 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 1: um so to you know, I just don't feel as 502 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: though that would be a move that he would make. 503 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: Right now. There's so many things that he has working 504 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: for him, especially with getting this offense started. In the 505 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: numbers that he's been putting up. You know, he's gonna 506 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: have some success in this league pretty soon. And I 507 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: think with the Cowboys, as soon as we can get 508 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: our defense to where it needs to be and obviously 509 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: not have the substantial injuries that we've had up front, 510 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: and just you know, oh, by the way, Dak Prescott 511 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: going down. Look, I think we would be talking about 512 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. We wouldn't even be talking about Kellen Moore 513 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: in the Boise stage job if Dak was healthy this 514 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: year and we had, you know, a full arsenal of guys. 515 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: Yeah know, you guys hit on it. It's like the 516 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: it's like Heckma's twelve foot Christmas tree that he has 517 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: back there in the background. You know, if that if 518 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: you have a if you have a real shiny ornament 519 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: at the top, right, it's just sparkling, right, it's just 520 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: kind of glimmering at you. You know, that's Boise State, right, 521 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: and it's up there. It's like I can go up 522 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: there and I can grab that thing, right, but I 523 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: risk everything else below it just tumbling, right, is it? 524 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: Is it really worth going out there and taking that 525 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: opportunity when there's building blocks to being the head coach 526 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: potentially the Dallas Cowboys or any other organization. Here, you 527 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: guys already said it. He's he's groomed, he has been knighted. Um, 528 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: he is one of Jerry's boys. Now, you're a good right, 529 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: You're in the club. You know you're You're like Mickey 530 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: you you're in the club. Man, you ain't going nowhere. 531 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: You know both the floor, You're bolted to the floor, man, 532 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: three quarter inch. So he's you know, he's gone. He's 533 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: in a perfect position right now. Continue to build, continue 534 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: to develop. Um, I personally don't think that he would 535 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: even be ready for that for that position. Here's too much. 536 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot of management that comes with being the 537 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: head coach of a whole collegiate program. Um. So no, 538 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: he'll be here, and you guys, you guys need to understand. 539 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: I've moved around so much at the Star and here 540 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: around at the Ranch, and every move I made it 541 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: was closer to the door. Okay, all right, I'm gonna 542 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: push up. Go ahead, let me push back on Kellen 543 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: Moore here. Bear Bryant once said, when Mama calls you go, 544 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: and Bear Bryant loved it at Texas A and m 545 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: and took Let's money to go back to Alabama as 546 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: it was home. And I think if the people of 547 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: Boise Stay lean on him and say Kellen, we really 548 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: want you here, I think he goes because it's home 549 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: and it's your program. It's about you. Look, and I 550 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: think Mickey, you can back this up because you've covered 551 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: this and up when you're here with the Dallas Cowboys. 552 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Even if you're the head coach, you know who's really 553 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: the star. You know who the big You know who 554 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: the big guy is is Jared. We need to go 555 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: to Boise Stay. You're the star, you're the head coach. 556 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: It's your program. I think Kelly Moore's plays that he 557 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: calls here, I think these plays would be excellent at 558 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: the collegiate level. And I'll also follow this up with 559 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: this because I've said it on the show with Barry 560 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: and Danny. I think Mike McCarthy misses calling plays that 561 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: he likes calling plays. And if Kellen Moore's gone. That 562 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: guy gets that big old play sheet back. I mean, 563 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: this guy every week has this huge play sheet. I'm like, 564 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: why do you need that big old play sheet if 565 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: you're not calling old plays? This man wants to calls 566 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: and plays. So I think that Kelly Moore goes this thing, 567 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: puts Mike McCarthy where he wants to be. And I 568 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: go back to when Wade Phillips, who is the head 569 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: coach here, and he have Bryan Stewarts defensive coordinator, and 570 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: they moved Stewart out and Jerry said, hey, wait, I 571 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: want you here to call plays because this is what 572 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: you do best. And I think that Mike McCarthy calling 573 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: plays with the Dallas Cowboys in twenty twenty one, would 574 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: kellamore be in the head coach of Poyson State. Maybe 575 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: a win win. I don't know about your example there 576 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: newly with Brian Stewart, because that was Wade's biggest mistake. 577 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: The reason he gets head coaching jobs is because he's 578 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: a good defensive coordinator. And why would you hand off 579 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: what's your best at to somebody else that wasn't very 580 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: good at it? Right? And I used to have the 581 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: same opinion of Jason Garrett. You got the job because 582 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: you were an offensive coordinator, and then a year or 583 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: two after you got the job, you handed it off 584 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: to somebody else, right, and then in the end you 585 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: didn't see eye to eye with that guy very well. 586 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: So to me, the reason you get a head coaching 587 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: job is because you did something well as a core coordinator, 588 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: and then you give up what you did well and 589 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: you're going to depend on somebody else. I wouldn't do that. 590 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: I'd be afraid of that. And I think Mike McCarthy's 591 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: very comfortable because it was his idea to bring or 592 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: to keep Kellen Moore here. And if you remember the 593 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: first press conference he said, he said that if I 594 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: hadn't gotten this job, I had my eye on Kellen 595 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: Moore to bring him along wherever I went as my 596 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. So he may have that play sheet, and 597 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett had the play sheet too, and it's the 598 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: head coach's prerogative that if he doesn't like the play call, 599 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: it's like, ah, wait a minute, here, let me change that. 600 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: Let's think about doing this. So and the other thing 601 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: I think you need to understand with the offensive coordinator 602 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: and Isaiah helped me out here, But he doesn't sit 603 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: there with a roller decks during the game and say, 604 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: let me call this. They've got this planned out as 605 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: a staff going in when we're in this situation. Here's 606 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: what we want to do. You can pick these three 607 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: plays in this particular situation. So I think Mike McCarthy 608 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: is very comfortable with the guy that has been very 609 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: creative trying to figure out how does he compensate for 610 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: an offensive line that had can't hold down the line 611 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And that's why you see all these what 612 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Warren Powers used to say when he was the head 613 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: coach at Missouri, these gingerbread plays, all the little fancy 614 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: things he's trying to do to get the ball out 615 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: on the perimeter because they can't run between the tackles. 616 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't disagree, you know, let's hear it. Let's hear it. 617 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: Let's hear the point. No, I believe you break up 618 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: a good point, nui about Mike McCarthy and his play 619 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: calling and what we've what we've been historically used to 620 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: seeing from coach Mike McCarthy, and people don't give any 621 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: credit anymore to the fact that Mike McCarthy was doing 622 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: video conferences with his offense and trying to, you know, 623 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: get these guys acclimated with his system of what he 624 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: wanted to do. It only made sense that he stayed 625 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: with what Kelly Moore had been doing but previous previously, 626 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: not don't rock the boat or change anything too much. 627 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: But look, I just feel like this offseason, both of 628 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: these guys are gonna have to get on the same page, 629 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: and it's gonna come down to the health of this 630 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: team and being able to go forward with it, but 631 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: offensively and just the play calling part of it. I 632 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: don't believe that Mike McCarthy has given up as much 633 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: of it as we think he has. Yeah, and I 634 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: think all of its pretty much speculation obviously, because we're 635 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: not in those meetings and we don't understand who's really 636 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: in control. We know, we know what Mike McCarthy and 637 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: what his history has shown. But you know, to Mickey's point, 638 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: he did, you know, he did give give up his 639 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: responsibilities to Kelly Moore. And my only issue with Kelly 640 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: Moore has been just that make all the glitz and 641 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: glamor that he did up until last week. Last week, 642 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: those that glitz and glamor was misdirection, it was it 643 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: was it was just literally to throw off the you know, 644 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: it's smoking it was just smoking guns. You know, it 645 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: was just to throw off the other team. But it 646 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: was still within the confines of your offense. And that's 647 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: the stuff that works. That's the stuff that our defense 648 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: has had issues with. In terms of guys running across motions. 649 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: You're setting up plays series in advance, games in advance, right, 650 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: giving them these looks in preparation for it working this 651 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: one time. For those that don't know, you know, this 652 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: stuff is mapped out. You know, this stuff is mapped 653 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: out far in advance. You know the players that they're 654 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: gonna run you know this this weekend. They set those 655 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: plays up two or three games ago. So this is 656 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: stuff that they work on. These play calls, these play 657 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: sheets that you guys are talking about. You know, these 658 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: are three, four or five hundred plays deep sometimes and 659 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: you know we used to sit through and pick these 660 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: things apart play by play, series by series. I mean, 661 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: it's so down to the analytics where it'd be third 662 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: and five and literally you're walking the huddle and be like, okay, 663 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: you remember when when we come out on this personnel. 664 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: They're thirty seven percent of the time they're blitzing like 665 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: these are the numbers that are popping up in your 666 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: head because this is the stuff that you that you 667 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: literally go over every single day, so they know exactly 668 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: what the doing. My only issue with Mike McCarthy this 669 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: year has been what he's allowed to come across across 670 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: that microphone, you know, to Mickey's point, Like I said, 671 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: I've said it on Talking Calboys before when I was 672 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: with the Patriots and I was, you know, and I 673 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: was a little you know, clipboard clipboard quarterback when I 674 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: first got there. You know, I would hear player certain 675 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: play calls come across from Billy O'Brien and Bill Belichick 676 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: would just say, no, run it, and that was it. 677 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: He's like, okay, all right, we're running it, and that 678 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: was it, you know. So he has that he has 679 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: that authority. And think about this, guys, and this is 680 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: no coincidence. The side of the ball that they kept 681 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: continuity with from last year has been more productive than 682 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: the side of the ball that they tried to come 683 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: in and reinvent the wheel with, right, So there's something 684 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: to be said for continuity, and let's not forget what 685 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: this offense was due and when Dak Prescott was in 686 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: there and before Ben Denucci and Karrot Gilbert has you 687 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: wagon throwing the quarterback right, his name is Wagon. Let's 688 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: take a break here. Let's take our final break on 689 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: Talky Cowboys. You've got to come with some predictions here 690 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: as the Cowboys get ready to host the Eagles. And 691 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: I want to get the guys take on something that 692 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy says he's going to do on Christmas Day 693 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: for his football team. We'll do that as the players 694 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: on scramble continues right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. 695 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: Ready eats game Day. You know what that means. First, 696 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: cubob prep steak Pepper runnion. Steak Pepper Runnion. Next, a 697 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: counterclockwise lap around the rule. 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To the Players Loud All right, 730 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: Players Up Scramble edition right here? Oh on Christmas Eve, 731 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm knew he Scruggs joined by Miki Spagnol Isaiah, stand 732 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: back at Heckmharrison here getting you're ready for Cowboys Eagles 733 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: final Cowboys home game with you. It will be at 734 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: and T Stadium. It's Christmas Eve. The Cowboys are holding 735 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: practice right now as we speak indoors now Christmas Day. 736 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has decided that the Cowboys will not practice. 737 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: He's giving the players that day for themselves. He says 738 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: they should be at home with their families. Isaiah, take 739 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: me back to your time with Bill Belletch. Check how 740 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: did he work things, And what did he think about 741 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy giving the Cowboys Christmas day off. Yeah, no, 742 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about days off. Man. I 743 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: think we I think I think we came in. I 744 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: think we came in a little later. If if I 745 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: remember correctly, I think we came in late bid day. Uh, 746 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, yeah, I think that's what it was. 747 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: For my time. I don't remember ever having a day 748 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: off for Christmas. But that's awesome that he feels confident 749 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: that those guys are prepared to do that. I'm it's 750 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: a it's a fine line because the fact that the 751 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: matter is playoffs are still on the custom that's the reality. 752 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: I know it doesn't probably sound good or even sound realistic, 753 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: but um, that's the reality. So days off this close 754 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: to that run, I don't know. I would. I would 755 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: probably just have those guys coming in at twelve o'clock 756 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: so that they can wake up and enjoy the morning 757 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: with their families. You know what, let me bring some 758 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: perspective to that day off on Friday. Uh. You know, 759 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy changed the practice routine for the Cowboys, where 760 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: normally Friday was the last day of practice Saturday was 761 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: a walkthrough. Well, now he gives them the walkthrough on 762 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: Friday and they practice on Saturday, so that Friday happens 763 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: to be Christmas. Basically the walkthrough, they'll double up on Saturday, 764 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: which is as Isaiah knows, it's like a meeting on 765 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: the field. Everybody runs out, Okay, second kickoff team, go 766 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: out there. It's not really a practice practice. So basically 767 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: they're getting out of meetings. They'll probably go a little 768 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: bit longer today. And then he said today in his 769 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: conference call that they'll have what he calls mock game 770 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: is the walkthrough. They'll have that. They'll have two things 771 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: on Saturday, and it's a home game, so now you 772 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: don't have to traut revel. But Isaiah's right whether the 773 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: former coaches here, when when Thanks getting, i mean Christmas 774 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: got in the way of practice, it was like, okay, 775 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: everybody come in at two o'clock. I know, that's kind 776 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: of what Jason Garrett used to do. But then Saturday, 777 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: basically you came in ten o'clock. By eleven, you had 778 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: the day to yourself. You were done. So he just 779 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: taken the walkthrough, move it to Saturday and give him 780 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: Friday off, so they're missing a couple of meetings. They'll 781 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: double up today and double up on Saturday. So I 782 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: don't know if he's you know, acting like Santa Claus 783 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: here's a Christmas President. Oh, And I believe that Mike 784 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: McCarthy knows the pulse of this team and everything that 785 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: these guys have been through health wise, and if if 786 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: Friday was just gonna be a walkthrough, and they've made 787 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: up for that by doubling down on more things through 788 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: this week than you know, Look, kudos to those guys 789 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: being able to get Christmas Day off, Like you said, Isaiah, 790 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 1: not a lot of teams will do that. You'll still 791 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: have to come in later. Doesn't matter if it's all 792 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: walk through or what have you. But I just trust 793 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy knows and has his hand on the 794 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: pulse of this team and knows what's gonna work best 795 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: for those guys. Maybe that's something that galvinizes them because 796 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: they realized that he trusts them with the whole preparation process. 797 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: You know. The other thing he's done these last last 798 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: week and this week as he shortened the practice, it's 799 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: kind of the last three games. He said He's normally 800 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: done that when he was at Green Bay, just to 801 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: get the guys off their legs and let him recuperate 802 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. More so, he's he's taken about twenty 803 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: minutes off the Monday, Wednesday, Friday or Saturday practice just 804 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: to shorten things up, to try to keep his guys 805 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: as fresh as possible going forward, because the last thing 806 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: you do is leave your game on the field on 807 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: Friday and then Saturday Sunday you're worn out, all right. 808 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: Prediction time here, Cowboys are a two and a half 809 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: point dog to the Philadelphia Eagles. The Cowboys have to 810 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: win this game. They lose this game, they're not gonna 811 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: be able to win the East and make the playoffs. 812 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: So heck, I'm starting with you. I kind of have 813 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: a feeling I know where you're going, but I'm gonna 814 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: start with you. Man. It look no, it's not I'm 815 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: everybody knows me no that There's no way that I 816 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: would ever pick the Philadelphia those periods. Correct, I'm incapable 817 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: of doing that. I just can't. And I just feel 818 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: like in a must win game situation for these guys 819 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: and everything that they've been through all year with the media, 820 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: dogs and them fans everybody else. This is a game 821 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: that they know that they have to show up for 822 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: here they T and T Stadium. So I'm taking the 823 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: Cowboys in seventeen to ten was my prediction. Wow, you 824 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: got Mike Nolan holding somebody to ten points. Okay, Okay, 825 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: I do okay, okay, okay, all right, Isaac, what you got? Yeah, 826 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: it's not that I'm gonna go with Now. I'm going 827 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: with the Cowboys on this one. I think that they 828 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: find a way. I think that they have enough fight. 829 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: They've been through enough this year, They've overcome enough of 830 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: adversity that they're gonna realize and acknowledge the fact that, hey, shoot, 831 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: if we take care of business today in Washington loses, 832 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,959 Speaker 1: it's a week seventeen showdown, right, So it's a week's 833 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: show that we actually have a real chance at this. 834 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: And I think they realized that. I think that they're 835 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: going to refuse to allow Philly to come in here 836 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: and smack them upside to hey like other teams have. 837 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: So I think the Dallas wins twenty four seventeen, twenty 838 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: four seventeen, The Voice of Reason, Mickey Spagnola. So I 839 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: see there's an Everson Walls and the Nate Newton on 840 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: every team. I never you get podcasts right, never pick 841 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. Right. Well, guess what. I finally am 842 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: eligible to pick them to win because I think after 843 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: they lost to I think it was Baltimore. Maybe I 844 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: can't remember what the loss was, but I said, I 845 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: will not pick them to win again until they win 846 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: too straight. And I was running out of games, right, 847 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: and now they won two straight, so I picked in 848 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: blues all these games that they've won here in the 849 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:57,240 Speaker 1: last five five games, but they're they're two point underdogs. 850 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: They were four point underdogs to San Francisco, and I 851 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 1: thought this was funny. All the guys covering the team 852 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: in San Francisco area picked the Cowboys to win, and 853 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: all the people here in Dallas picked San Francisco to win, right, 854 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: and nobody got Only the San Francisco people got it 855 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: right right. They knew their team. So now that I 856 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: got the opportunity to pick them to win, because I 857 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: thought they would win last week, but I couldn't pick them. 858 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm going twenty four, twenty three. I just think that 859 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: they will have just enough offense to be able to 860 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: beat Philadelphia and just enough defense to squeak by and 861 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: win this game against a rookie quarterback who now people 862 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 1: know a little bit more about what he's all about 863 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: on the field. You've got two starts to study. Jalen Hurts, 864 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to keep my word what I 865 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: said yesterday on the playoff lads, which was a twenty 866 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: seven twenty one Philadelphia. When this is not Nick Mullins, 867 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: this is not Brandon Allen and Mickey you already alluded 868 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: to it. They gave up one hundred and fifty yards 869 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: to San Francisco, and you knew what they wanted to do. 870 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: And this is when you saw Mostard go down and 871 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: then Wilson came in. He went down, and they were 872 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: still out here running, bringing Tevin Coleman in. I've got 873 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: I got to see this team stop the run. That's 874 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,800 Speaker 1: my biggest concern here. I'm just I just don't trust 875 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: mister Nolan and then not having Woods, not having um 876 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: Lake vander esh. I think these are gonna be some 877 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: issues for the Cowboys, but we shall see. We shall see. 878 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 1: It's fifteen minutes afterward. I don't want to push our producer, 879 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: Chris Beam on Christmas Eve, he's got things to do, 880 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: so Mickey Isaiah, Hey, thank you so much for coming 881 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: on here. It was a lot of fun to be 882 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: on the players. So I talked to my hotels dot 883 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 1: com with you guys, have a blessed and great Marry Christmas, 884 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: and we do not have any shows tomorrow. 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