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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lotley here with Matt Williamson and Max Starks,

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Speaker 2: and this is our number three of our ongoing coverage

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Speaker 2: here live from the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: As we watched the big guys, the big defensive lineman

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Speaker 2: all continue to run their forties here and seeing some

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Speaker 2: consistency here.

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Speaker 1: And we've also seen a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of guys here who've broken the four or won

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Speaker 2: seven barrier. Yeah, they're ten yards, but that would be

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Speaker 2: Tyry and Ingram Dawkins from Georgia. He showed he's two

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy six pounds. Yeah, but also Jared Henderson

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Speaker 2: Hunt from SMU, Yeah, came in at one sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: He's at two hundred and ninety pounds.

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Speaker 3: That's impressive. Yeah, that's impressive to break that split.

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Speaker 2: But also just missing that Ty Robinson at of Nebraska. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Darius Alexander, Yeah, out of Toledo. So he came in

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Speaker 2: at one seven to two on his ten yard split.

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Speaker 3: I was once again that that's an impressive three hundred

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Speaker 3: and five pounds. That's an impressive number to have that that's.

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Speaker 2: One of these things is not like the others like

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Speaker 2: the other three guys are all a little expected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but have a big guy breaking breaking that low

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Speaker 3: in the one sevens. That means the guy has a

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Speaker 3: lot of hamhock power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he just has a lot of power period.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know watched him punch guys down at the

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl and was like, oh, yeah, he's got heavy hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Maps, I don't know about you, but I mean

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, there'd be a couple of D tackles

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Speaker 1: and certainly some O linemen that would just punt this

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Speaker 1: drill and just look terrible and run a five nine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like those days are gone. No, there's not sloppy,

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Speaker 1: you know. And they care about this. They care about

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Speaker 1: this for the ego and the pride. And you want

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Speaker 1: to go back and tell your buddies. Yeah right, multiple guys.

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Speaker 3: From one school running this. Yeah, you don't think Nazir

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Speaker 3: and Tyd Dawkins are like like Orgon guys. The Oregon

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Speaker 3: guys are priding themselves, like, hey man, you see what

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Speaker 3: I did there? All right? Okay, yeah, you're not as

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Speaker 3: fast as me.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to be the guy who is the Orlando

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Speaker 2: Brown junior of this comment.

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Speaker 1: There used to be a lot more of those used

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Speaker 1: to be a lot that they got the standard versus seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. It's like he's like you're running in mud

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Speaker 3: the entire time.

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Speaker 1: CJ wes guy like under five for a no cackle.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it. He's a powerful guy. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I had to run again, if I for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably would have declined it. But maybe he

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Speaker 3: thinks he can do better. What was his what was

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Speaker 3: his split?

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Speaker 2: I'm looking here to see if they've posted that one yet.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look like.

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Speaker 3: Because he was at the he's the last one to run, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I imagine.

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Speaker 1: That's not bad. He comes up pretty low. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: flying for a big guy.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'll take it.

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Speaker 2: Consistent four nine six there after running the former one

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Speaker 2: seven fours is split.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's not bad at all.

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Speaker 1: That's not bad at all for a true nose. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's happy. He should be. Yeah, exactly, he doesn't. He's

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Speaker 1: not caring a lot extra way rocked up there, yea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's got a strong got a little definition

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Speaker 3: in the bicse that flex it man? Why not?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: And we'll get ready here for the second group to

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Speaker 2: come out and run. That's when Mason Graham, who many

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Speaker 2: think will be the top Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know this will be his finest moment either.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't see him as being a guy that's

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Speaker 3: going to be super fast off the ball, well fast

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Speaker 3: off the line, this drill.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll run okay because he don't want to

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Speaker 1: be terrible, but just for like a top ten type pick.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna blow us away. No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 3: But he's not he's not running the four E three,

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Speaker 3: he's not breaking the D line. No.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not paying agger this year. But you look

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Speaker 2: at that. Both Darius Alexander and Derek Harmon ran four.

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Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, that's right around what Cam ran

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Speaker 1: You know, the cam was at this event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't remember who Cam's weight was, but that

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Speaker 3: doesn't sound right. I remember he was just sub five.

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Speaker 3: He was like a four to nine to five. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was just a sub five guy. And and then

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Speaker 3: of course, you know, fourteen years later, we're like we're

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Speaker 3: still here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now he probably does not run that now, but

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Speaker 2: have to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bigger and stronger now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: People might say, well, why does that matter.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that John Mitchell always preach these guys,

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Speaker 2: and it's and has continued throughout this run to the ball. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and these big guys are going to have to turn

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Speaker 2: at times and run to the football. Yeah, that's how

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Speaker 2: you start creating fumble. I remember step On twis rookie year.

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Speaker 2: Uh he made he didn't play a ton, but I

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Speaker 2: can remember against Kansas City there was a Jamal Charles

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Speaker 2: caught the football over in the flat and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, Stefan came rolling in and just blew him

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Speaker 2: up and the ball came flying out. Steelers recover and

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Speaker 2: turns out to be a big play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and and that's why I think the L

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Speaker 3: drill matters when I talk about that, because that's the

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Speaker 3: turn run, get back to where you are retracing your steps.

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Speaker 3: Those are the key principles that you're looking for for

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Speaker 3: a D lineman. So that's why those type of drills matter.

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Speaker 3: Those are ones I feel like are more football related

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Speaker 3: than like the forty right now forty is can can

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Speaker 3: I get off the ball? And like I said, I

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Speaker 3: care about your ten yard split we can talk about

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Speaker 3: the in number. It looks good, but that means you've

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Speaker 3: got a little bit more cardiovascular endurance. But a ten

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Speaker 3: yard split is what everybody cares about because that's the

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Speaker 3: world you're playing in. Is a defensive lineman. Absolutely, I'm

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Speaker 3: playing in a ten by ten by ten square that

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Speaker 3: I need to dominate and be able to hit at

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Speaker 3: any moment.

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Speaker 1: And it's nice that the tuit's and those guys can

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Speaker 1: chase balls down, but yeah, if you can't, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean the effort's going to be there, but that doesn't right.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, and for what we're looking for

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Speaker 1: Tackle position, right, especially the nose like.

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Speaker 3: It's like I don't need you to get there. I

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Speaker 3: need you. I just need you to get near right.

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Speaker 3: I want it. I want you to divert to our linebackers,

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Speaker 3: which is how this defense is made. Divert to your

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Speaker 3: linebackers outside or inside. Your job as a down lineman

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Speaker 3: is to divert to them or at least create complications.

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Speaker 3: In the past game and vertical push in the pocket,

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Speaker 3: every quarterback hates that, but especially pocket passing quarterbacks. They

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Speaker 3: hate that because I can't step up. Think about in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. My homes could not step up up

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Speaker 3: and that gave him problems. And he looked human, you know,

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Speaker 3: for the first time this season, because everything else has

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Speaker 3: been superhuman. You know. Even when we rushed him, we

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Speaker 3: rushed him inside out, and he was able to roll

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Speaker 3: Or if we picked a side, he just slid up

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Speaker 3: four or five yards. That's what you need to be

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Speaker 3: able to take away from these quarterbacks. And having consistent

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Speaker 3: pressure in your face does that. Because we got the

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Speaker 3: guys who are gonna, who are gonna who are gonna

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Speaker 3: close the door on the outside, you know, so force

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Speaker 3: that flow to them, force it to your your your

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Speaker 3: inside linebackers. If a guy wants to cut you could

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Speaker 3: he made you force him to cut it back too soon.

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Speaker 3: Peyton Wilson, Patrick Queen could sit in the hole there

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Speaker 3: and then they can trigger and come downhill a lot cleaner.

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Speaker 3: I supposed to worried about a guard cam's forty times.

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Speaker 3: This was at the Ohio State Pro Day. Oh he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He did run here didn't run here you'll state a traditionally.

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Speaker 1: Fast downhill in it's thirty eight yards.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, right, he ran up four Okay, they say

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Speaker 2: his weight, that was it here he got weighed in.

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Speaker 1: Of course he was. He was two hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: four pounds. Okay, you think he's over three hundred now,

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you slimmer. Although James Ferrier

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Speaker 3: like a madman. I mean Thursday nights he's in like

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Speaker 2: That's another one of those ones that people would argue

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Speaker 2: with me about, well he's listed to two hundred. We

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Speaker 2: need these two hundred and forty pounds linebackers. I'm like

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Speaker 2: James Ferry the last like five years. I remember talking

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Speaker 2: that last year.

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Speaker 1: I played like two sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Because and he's now he's got quick one hundred

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Speaker 3: now and it's like he's a natural way. He's like

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Speaker 3: now and he like runs like five miles a day

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Speaker 3: because we follow each other on Strava, and I'm just like, like,

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Speaker 3: stop running on Santa Monica Beach every day you're making

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I mean, but yeah, Patzi's just always

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Speaker 3: been because he won a natural lighter guy.

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Speaker 2: He was two forty when he came into the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he came into too for you. You saw a

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Speaker 3: little double chin there after.

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Speaker 2: As he got older and he wanted to continue to

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Speaker 2: maintain the quickness and at that time, two hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty pound linebackers didn't exist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he got lighter and lighter as he got

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Speaker 2: older because he wanted to maintain that quickness and.

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Speaker 1: Was six pick in the draft or I mean he

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Speaker 1: was really the top ten pick for sure for the Jets. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's and that's one of those ones that you know, again,

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Speaker 2: where you land at makes so much of a matter,

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Speaker 2: it matters because they obviously didn't know what to do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he was misplaced with the Jets, and

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Speaker 3: then you know.

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Speaker 1: Made a coaching change or something right before his contract

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Speaker 1: came up. I try to think that.

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Speaker 3: Coaching change, and then the contract came as parcels came

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Speaker 3: in and he went to bring down the old guys,

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Speaker 3: and hey, he wanted his guys and he didn't like

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Speaker 3: the way that that James played, which was great for us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked that well. It's like the bettest situation

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Speaker 2: Two years later he's like second in the defensive MVP voting, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, yeah, exactly exactly. It's like, thank you, guys, I

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Speaker 3: appreciate that. Yeah, and then went to a lot better

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Speaker 3: winning culture as well. Yeah, you know that also makes

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Speaker 2: If we're looking here at Stefan twit's great here. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were exactly what they were looking for those days.

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Speaker 1: Let me see what Smith and Key so pretty long? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Aaron was a great basketball player as well, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: at like two ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got up like two ninety five ish.

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Speaker 2: Stephan didn't do anything that off season because he was

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, the second round.

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Speaker 3: Ah okay, people, Hey, Kenneth Grant, can you do the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, very helpful, Thank you, Yeah exactly, you want

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Speaker 2: to make that happen. But again thirty four and three. No,

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Speaker 2: He ran a four nine.

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Speaker 1: Two boat, so matching forties sub five for those big

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Speaker 3: These guys don't have the track coach coming in for

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Speaker 1: Get the wave going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big guys, big guys on the move.

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Speaker 3: Hey, fat guys doing fast things. Fat guys doing fast things.

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Speaker 1: Looked like they're dancing out there. You a believer in

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Speaker 1: this for the tackles, Nope, I'm not sure. No accomplishes

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Speaker 3: All this does is just wear them out to see

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Speaker 1: He ran out of his shoe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly as long as you something throws a shoe, really, as.

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Speaker 1: Long as you have some knee bend and you're not

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean when am I ever gonna If

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Speaker 3: varsity blues? Right, this is one where where I run

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Speaker 2: But that the thing that you see there with with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, similar body.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there are many guys like that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure who. I mean, Nolan doesn't, I

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Speaker 3: And even like a farmer who might be the closest

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Speaker 3: I think he has an arm length and everything, and

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Speaker 3: he's a true nose. Those we're talking about two three

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Speaker 3: that's not what we're looking for necessarily, But for the

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Speaker 3: I don't think that guy is here, you know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Really, the closest thing in terms of from this first

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They look at that, right, there's not too far

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Speaker 2: I mean he's just a hair under six four three

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it definitely doesn't look the same. No,

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Speaker 3: it does not look the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a struggle for these guys. I mean,

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Speaker 3: It's a wasted drill. Yeah, and that's where I was

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Speaker 3: he can't Jordan Phillips, the kid from Maryland. Oh god, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of talent.

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Speaker 1: He's got a big time wrestling background. I expect this

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Speaker 3: Bit, always stumbled again, so he's oh, he's over his heels.

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Speaker 1: Does the field turf get beat up to not when

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Speaker 3: Because you know, it depends on the type of the pellets,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't spray like like the rubber pellets.

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Speaker 1: A soft spotter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't really dry out a spot this.

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Speaker 3: You could probably dry it up, but it would take

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Speaker 2: So I have the measurements here for Casey Hampton in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let'sten about two thousand and one, we're going back

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Speaker 3: almost twenty five years, ladies and gentle let's take the time.

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Speaker 2: Got Casey Hampton pre draft was seventy three and a

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Speaker 2: third point three inches, so six to one and change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, three hundred and fourteen pounds. Is that the leg

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Speaker 1: he's ever been Well, no, he's now yeah, I mean he's.

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Speaker 3: As a football player. Yeah, while playing football, definitely never

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Speaker 3: saw that both.

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Speaker 1: Of his legs fifteen. He was never three and fourteen

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Speaker 3: You know. His BMI.

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Speaker 2: His BMI at that point was forty two point eight.

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Speaker 2: It could probably get up over fifty at times easily, easily.

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Speaker 3: But he still had the two top abs. He was

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Speaker 3: clearly defined. He had two apps That was thirty one

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Speaker 1: That's really short, but obviously his style play, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: His forty time was five point two five.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, I mean that back back then we're talking

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a long strider.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing long striding about.

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Speaker 2: They also did thirty four reps on the bench super strong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, him and Sean, right, I would be inter Sean

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Speaker 3: Rogers and him because he used to talk about how

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Speaker 3: and forth for the record for d lineman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that didn't surprise me. Thirty four well, and

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Speaker 3: he like shorter arms, right, well.

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Speaker 1: It surprises me is three seventeen weight.

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Speaker 3: Right right? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, They must not have fed him for about two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Had to. They had him. They had him. They had

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, to get him down there,

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Speaker 3: because yeah, I'm trying to think maybe maybe three thirty

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Speaker 1: Man's strong maybe, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: When you're looking at some of these nose tackle prospects,

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward's position can't play of course. Of course you

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Speaker 3: Hey, you don't need him to because they're playing on

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Speaker 1: I keep going back to Farmer though, with unusually long

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Speaker 1: I really like how many centers are gonna have thirty

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Speaker 1: Frazer having to go against him and practice. Yeah, yeah, right, right,

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Speaker 3: And you talk about the cat I mean, and we

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Speaker 3: And if a guy sees that arm, it's almost like

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Speaker 3: seeing the arm on the toll bridge go down, you

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Speaker 1: Goes to a different gap or whatever too exactly. And

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Speaker 1: it's not a coincidence. This is like the best past

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Speaker 1: I bet he learned a thing or two from Cam

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Speaker 1: and that, and you know, just like being these guys have, right.

441
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just an additional weapon to add to it.

442
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm starting to feel

443
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Speaker 3: a little bit better after after seeing these type of

444
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Speaker 3: things where it just makes them clearer. Yeah, it does.

445
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 3: It does clears up the picture a lot, and you

446
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Speaker 3: can start adding a couple of names in there, so

447
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Speaker 3: you don't feel so desperate when you get that you.

448
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Speaker 1: Have to take that guy.

449
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 3: I have to get this guy here. It's like, well,

450
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Speaker 3: wait a second, we have work with Yeah, there are

451
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Speaker 3: some other better options as well that you can get

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Speaker 3: bye with.

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Speaker 1: But it also goes out saying you don't want to

454
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Speaker 1: forget the tape. The tape. Tape is gospel, right, don't

455
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Speaker 1: get to enameled by what you see.

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Speaker 3: To that number one yep, and this is this can

457
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Speaker 3: only be an enhancement.

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Speaker 1: Right right right right? Yeah, but hey, thirty four inch

459
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 1: arms verse thirty one is a big deal.

460
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Speaker 3: That's a big deal. So it's like, yeah, the tape

461
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Speaker 3: looks good, but I can work with that, you know

462
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and that guy might not be available.

463
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Speaker 3: I feel good about going this direction.

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Speaker 1: My scouting report off tape on Farmers looks like he

465
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Speaker 1: has long arms, good length. Now it's like, oh he

466
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Speaker 1: has really long arms but great length. Yeah, exactly, check

467
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Speaker 1: you know, right right, I mean where's that eraser at

468
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Speaker 1: Magic Barker?

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Speaker 3: You know, I know, I said, good guys don't listen

470
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Speaker 3: to that. It was actually great.

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Speaker 1: Rare, Yeah, Tony, the tiger rare in this particular draft.

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Speaker 1: Apparently that's it. It doesn't seem like lengths been not

473
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Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that have that that class.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the next group will, but yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe the next group has a little bit longer,

476
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Speaker 3: but I mean I forgot how.

477
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Speaker 1: I guess those numbers are already in my talking about.

478
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah that group should be in, but yeah they're following

479
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 3: group one right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But let's get through another break here with Max

481
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Speaker 2: Starks and Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly here, uh

482
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Speaker 2: leading the way here on this beautiful Thursday.

483
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Speaker 1: It's still nice outside.

484
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Speaker 3: Here right Uh. Yeah, we have well we have no windows,

485
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Speaker 3: but we'll just we'll take it. We'll take it.

486
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Speaker 1: I don't hear the rain pounding down on.

487
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: That's true because yeah, because it is metal roof, so

488
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:49,479
Speaker 3: you can hear.

489
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Speaker 1: Do you hear that? Absolutely?

490
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Speaker 2: But we are here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox

491
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Speaker 2: Sports Pittsburgh are live coverage here from the NFL Scouting

492
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Speaker 2: Combine all week long.

493
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this.

494
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: And we're back.

495
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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lawley here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson.

496
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: We are live at the NFL Scouting Combine here in

497
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Speaker 2: Indianapolis where the on field workouts are now taking place

498
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 2: with the big dudes. And you're listening to Steelers Nation

499
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh and we're here with you

500
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: up until five o'clock. Well, then break it down and

501
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: maybe do a little pizza tonight Deep Dish.

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Speaker 1: I am psyched, right, I gotta do it, great grand

503
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 1: finale dinner right across street.

504
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Speaker 2: You're asked if we wanted to go get pizza Giordano's

505
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: on Monday, Monday when we got here right right, and

506
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Speaker 2: Max was not here yet, and I said TV and

507
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Speaker 2: the video people, I absolutely cannot go eat Deep Dish

508
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Speaker 2: pizza without Max because that's become our little tradition.

509
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Speaker 3: That is our tradition.

510
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Speaker 1: It's also half the entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, beating time.

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Speaker 1: With the zoom fellas, right, I mean, you ate as

513
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Speaker 1: much as three or four of us put together, and

514
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: then got a bowl of minnestrone for dessert, and I

515
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: was blown away.

516
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 3: I had to wash it down, had to wash it down.

517
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: The beard didn't quite do it. I needed a Ministran

518
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: soup to just go ahead top it off.

519
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Speaker 1: Yeah three.

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Speaker 3: That. Yeah, it disappears just so good when it touches

521
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Speaker 3: your lips.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a kind of a religious experience.

523
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's our tradition. Like you said, that's a good.

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Speaker 1: Way to go on out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely looks like they're getting they're getting

526
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Speaker 2: this ready.

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Speaker 1: Here was that group, I would think the linebackers getting

528
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Speaker 1: ready to run soon, is my hunch. They're sewing you

529
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Speaker 1: some drills. Well, are you been on this back drill?

530
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Speaker 1: I mean, at least it keeps your head up and

531
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Speaker 1: you can kind of sort through garbage, you know.

532
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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's hidden dummies, you know what I'm saying. Like,

533
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Speaker 3: I get, there's there, there's a there's a point to it,

534
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: but the dummy doesn't move. I wish they had the

535
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Speaker 3: we're not.

536
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: Going to get the hit dummies in the NFL because

537
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: all the offensive linemen are the smartest guys exactly.

538
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Speaker 3: So no dummies there. Why are you putting them out here? Now?

539
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: You're deceiving these young men, yes, you know. And also

540
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: I could see if it was the Buddy T. Stevens

541
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Speaker 3: created w the one that's on the rotor. Yeah, little heavier, yeah,

542
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: a little heavier, and it moves and just even moving

543
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Speaker 3: it on a fixed track angle to where they had

544
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Speaker 3: to work through that through a fixed point and then release.

545
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Speaker 3: But having this.

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Speaker 2: Offensive line, he's not gonna be he's not gonna be stationary.

547
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Speaker 3: No, he's not gonna be stationary, and then if there

548
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: is a chip block right, that's not gonna be stationary's

549
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: gonna come in different points as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just reminded me, I forgot, I forgot

551
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Speaker 2: what we were gonna talk about it. You had to

552
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Speaker 2: get up and leave. So we didn't talk about Broderick

553
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Speaker 2: Jones switching to left right.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we did not get so that.

555
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: Was his that was his position at Georgia.

556
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Speaker 3: Correct.

557
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he comes to the Steelers, they put him in

558
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Speaker 2: at right tackle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, halfway through the season through seas.

560
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Speaker 2: He's now played there for two years and he's always

561
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Speaker 2: going to switch back.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned but he did a lot of left

563
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Speaker 1: before got hurt right to think he hadn't done a

564
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Speaker 1: lot in camp, could never play right, so that was

565
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Speaker 1: always Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The idea was that Troy and Broderick were going to

567
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Speaker 2: compete at the on the right side, and then they

568
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Speaker 2: wanted to move Broderick over to the left and give

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Speaker 2: him some reps over there.

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Speaker 1: After the Troy right.

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Speaker 3: It was almost the.

572
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Speaker 2: Same thing that happened to Dan Moore his rookie year.

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Speaker 2: If you remember, Zach Zach Banner was coming off an injury,

574
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Speaker 2: so the first, the first week, week and a half,

575
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Speaker 2: two weeks of training camp that year, which was at

576
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Speaker 2: the stadium, they had Chukes stayed on the right side

577
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Speaker 2: and they kept Dan Moore on the left side. The

578
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Speaker 2: idea was going to be that Chucks was going to

579
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Speaker 2: bump over to the left side when Zach came back,

580
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Speaker 2: and then they were going to get Dan Moore work

581
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Speaker 2: on the right side. They got one day of that

582
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Speaker 2: when Zach came back and Zach got hurt again.

583
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Zach's right only and Dan's turned into left only. Yeah,

584
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Speaker 1: it's been kind of a tackle puzzle, that's not It's

585
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Speaker 1: kind of the same thing that happened that year at

586
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Speaker 1: the center position. If you remember as well that they

587
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Speaker 1: had all kinds of injuries in camp. They didn't the

588
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Speaker 1: plan wasn't for Kendrick Green to be the opening day

589
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Speaker 1: starter necessarily.

590
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Speaker 3: No at center.

591
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Speaker 1: He was the only guy that was healthy.

592
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Speaker 3: The entire time, last man standing.

593
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only guy that stayed healthy the entire way

594
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Speaker 2: through training camp. BJ Finny got hurt and I can't

595
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Speaker 2: remember who else was there.

596
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Speaker 3: At that point. I forgot who the other guy was was.

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Speaker 1: I had to be JC. Yeah, I think JC got

598
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Speaker 1: hurt as well. Yeah, okay, so.

599
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Speaker 3: The rookie, Yeah, yeah, we got to deal with this. Yeah,

600
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Speaker 3: you know, and then of course Dotson playing out of

601
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Speaker 3: position as well. So yeah, you had a lot of

602
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: a lot of moving parts on that one. I mean

603
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Speaker 3: this one, you know, I think for Broderick it is

604
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: like riding a bike, but he's gonna have to practice it.

605
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: And I think going into this offseason knowing that you

606
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: got to do left, say at least you know, hey,

607
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: this when I'm coming back as because I wasn't going

608
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: to be the right tackle for another year. Dan Moore's

609
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: not coming back, so I have to make it work,

610
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. You know, I always say this.

611
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: You know, stress just like pressure, right, it can burst

612
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: pipes or it can make diamonds. Now we're in the

613
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: pressure making business. Which one are you going to be?

614
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Speaker 2: And it's good for the Steelers standpoint that he gets

615
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: to do this now because they got to decide that

616
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: fifty year option after the twenty twenty five season. It

617
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Speaker 2: comes quick, It comes quick. And so now, okay, is

618
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Speaker 2: this is he a left tackle? Is he better at

619
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Speaker 2: left tackle than he was at right tackle? You know,

620
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 2: and to your point, you know, the difference in what

621
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Speaker 2: you do with your arms on the different sides. You

622
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: read the books about and I like reading historical novels

623
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of the stuff about the hundred years

624
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: War between the French in the English and the English

625
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: always won because of the archers. They had the long

626
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: bow archers, those guys, the guys who pulled the long bows.

627
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: These shoulders didn't look like this shoulder.

628
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet.

629
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to be really strong to pull that.

630
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: You know that that bow.

631
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: Old school wooden bowt. This isn't a common.

632
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: Right a couple of years ago.

633
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, even even you know the guy after the archers retired,

634
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: people you were an archer because I could tell because

635
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: this shoulder is way bigger than that shoulder.

636
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. It's your profession.

637
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: I imagine, I can imagine, like Spartans, what.

638
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: Is your profession? You know what I'm saying, Oh, oh, probably.

639
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: Wasn't many left handed boat you know, like, wow, your

640
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: left ones bigger than right by the many of those guys.

641
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: But the switching back and forth is not an easy

642
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: thing for everybody.

643
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: No it is. I mean it's essentially doing everything backwards.

644
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: I say, you had to practice, you know, being dyslexic,

645
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: almost to it to a degree right, because everything's in

646
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: reverse the play call, where you're the strength of it,

647
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: you're now the weak side of it. Biomechanically and physiologically

648
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: with your hips. If you work a thousand reps in

649
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: this angle, like you said, the shoulder, your hip muscles

650
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: set that way, and so now you have a shorter

651
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: muscle on your interior leg and a longer muscle on

652
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 3: the right side. If you're a right tackle and now

653
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: you're having to invert that, well, it's gonna be tighter

654
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: on that left hip as you start to it's gonna

655
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: be a while, so you have to work out it.

656
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: You have to go to a chiropractor, you have to

657
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: go do extra massage and stuff to get those muscles

658
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: reactivated because they're they're taught to do different things. The short,

659
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: tighter muscle on the on the inside leg is for

660
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: shutting off the inside move, so there's more power that's

661
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: right there in that shorter muscle. It's more compact. The

662
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: longer muscle is for striding, for distance, creating the length

663
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: when you set on the pass block rotation, and then

664
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 3: also the back the back muscles act differently. You know,

665
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: your your your inside is a lot tighter than your

666
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: outside because once again tight long, tight, long, and your

667
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 3: hips shift to that. So it's funny. If you ever

668
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: watch a guy that's played one position for a long time,

669
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: they go into the chiropractor, chiropractor knows it. I mediately

670
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, so you play on the right side

671
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: and you have to work it a little bit differently.

672
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: You have to be a little bit tender at first,

673
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: but you got to get in there and you have

674
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: to reactivate the muscle and then after a week I

675
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: gotta come back and do it again.

676
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: And that's not even the mental changes I mean, And

677
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: that's before.

678
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: You can get to the mental. This is just the

679
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: bio you know, biophysical type of type type of stuff

680
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: that has to be done, almost like going and going

681
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: to a mechanic right, or you're getting a tune up

682
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: on your car. Well, if you drive a Nascar guess what,

683
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: the left side is going to wear a lot more

684
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: faster than the right side. You know what I'm saying.

685
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, you're all you're doing is left turns. It's

686
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: going to wear down that side more. There's more weight

687
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: over there. The turn angles, especially when you're hitting high walls.

688
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: That side gets more wear and tear on it. And

689
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: you turn, you go through your tires a lot faster.

690
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: Same thing with this when you switch side. If you're

691
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: so used to doing it one way and you don't

692
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: cross train it and you don't do things manipulation wise,

693
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: like I said, with the chiropractor, with a physical therapist,

694
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna get stuck in that angle and it's going

695
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: to take a while months to get that body back

696
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: to base. I just needed to base. I don't need it.

697
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: He reshifted, Just get me back to even.

698
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: So Broderick specifically, I mean, they probably didn't do him

699
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: a ton of favors putting him at right from the start. Yeah,

700
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: but he's been there way more than left. At the

701
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: NFL level, it's not even close. Do you think if

702
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: we asked him coming out of Georgia he would have

703
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: preferred left?

704
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

705
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: If we asked him now after two hours, two days,

706
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: or years of right, do you think he still prefers left?

707
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: Well?

708
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Would you? You know?

709
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't speak right, I can't speak for him,

710
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: but I but I did ask him and he said,

711
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, when I was asking him at training camp

712
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: this year, he was like, yeah, I prefer right right

713
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: now because he's because I's already done.

714
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, And.

715
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: He only had he only had twelve starts at left tack.

716
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was yeah, you know what I'm saying.

717
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: And by the end of his first year he had

718
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: almost as many starts. He had nine starts at right tackle.

719
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: So it's like, and Troy's the opposite. He's played a lot. Yeah,

720
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: now he's gonna have to play right. But although he

721
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: did it last year, you know, yeah, he did it

722
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: last year he made the transition. Of course, he was

723
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: injured before we really got to see how a season's

724
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: body of work looks like. But I mean, but like

725
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: I said, I did it. So it's like, you can

726
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: do it if you have the desire to do it. Like,

727
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: as long as you have the desire of I want

728
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: to get on the field, however I can, you'll get

729
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: it done. Right.

730
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: The last year's tackle class blows me in ways, a

731
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: really really good offensive tackle class. It was here one

732
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: year ago. They all switched, but yeah, all looked like

733
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: the prototypical left he's on the right. He's a first

734
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: drafted one Latham looks like the prototypical right he's on

735
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: the left. Fl Waga, New Orleans looked like a right tackle,

736
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: only he's on the left. And Troy, you know, like,

737
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: exactly what are we doing here?

738
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: Your best five on the field. That's that's what it

739
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: comes down to.

740
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Teams the right tackles take the right tackle, the teams

741
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: the left tackles take the left tackles.

742
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: Right, everybody on.

743
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: What are you doing to these guys?

744
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? But I mean, but that also tells you about

745
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: the league, right, your flex abillity has to be there,

746
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: because especially if you don't have the depth, if.

747
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: You're a swing tackle, like that's got brutal. When you're

748
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: the third guy and get hurt, you're in you know.

749
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: And trust me as a guy that also did stop,

750
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: you're just like, okay, which way do I go? All right?

751
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: Two sets here? Two sets here? Two sets here?

752
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: You guys when they do that, they if they got

753
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: to come into the game cold like that, you'll see

754
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: him doing their their their backstep just well.

755
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. So remember Trey Essex when he

756
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 3: first got here and Marvel goes down and it's the

757
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: Indianapolis game is traced for a start, and he's got

758
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: Dwight Freanie over there. I'm right, I got Mathis.

759
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: So he couldn't help either side all that much.

760
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he couldn't help both. But he had been practicing

761
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: right tackle so much because he was in a competition

762
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: with me for the right tackle job. His first set

763
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: he drops and then drops his inside leg and the

764
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: only thing that saved him was that Dwight Freedie went

765
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: off the second step on the spin that time, because

766
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: if he would any later, Trey was done for because

767
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: he would have gave up the outside edge really shortly.

768
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: He played it like a right tackle. He played like

769
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: a right tackle on that first step. He's like, oh crap,

770
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: and he had to really think against yeah about getting

771
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: the left.

772
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: Wing was going with the spin move because that was

773
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: his that was his signature thing.

774
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: And he just happened to catch the first snap, but

775
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: he was done. He was done, Like Ben wouldn't have

776
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: got to the back of his drop.

777
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that guy.

778
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how bad it was. And then even later

779
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: in the year that Jacksonville I'm sorry, this is now

780
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: two years later, we're in Jacksonville and oh no, Jacksonville

781
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: comes to us in the playoffs and I get injured.

782
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: So me and Marvell are sitting up in the suite,

783
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: both both with like leg wrapts on and knee braces

784
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: and everything, because we're not allowed to be on the

785
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: field because you're you know, you can't protect yourself. And

786
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: we're watching trade to the day basketball spin because we

787
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: had Trey as an interior guy. He was playing guard,

788
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: playing guard, he was an interior swing guy in the

789
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: emergency center. So then they said, oh, you gotta bump

790
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: out the left. You're a left right I mean, so

791
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: he did a basketball spind on on Harvey and I

792
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: was like, what is he doing? Marvell and I are

793
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: both like losing our mind, like what is he doing?

794
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: And he just started doing this like box out drill

795
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: because he has spun around. Hey, he got him blocked,

796
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: they get hit. Let's move on to the next play.

797
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: Nothing to see here. Don't do that again. Yeah, don't

798
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: do that again. So, you know, you do get into

799
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: those issues, but you have to mentally like prep yourself.

800
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 3: And the good thing is Roderick knows where he's going

801
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: to play next years.

802
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Now we're in.

803
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: February, and he knows that we're not telling him in

804
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: July August. Hey, you're going to left. You've got four

805
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: months to go back home and at Lanard where every

806
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: train and work the left side out of you. Go

807
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: see like I said, go see the therapist, go see

808
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 3: the chiropractor, which is fair to give him a fighting

809
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: shot to come in because also they don't want him

810
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: to look bad. You spent the first round pick on him.

811
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't want look bad. I want you to look

812
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: as great as possible. Prove me right now.

813
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: We want to pick up your fifth year option. We

814
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: want to extend You're right.

815
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: I want to here for the next ten years, because

816
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: that's what I thought when I drafted you.

817
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: So not to make excuses for him, but he hasn't

818
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: been tremendous as a steeler. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's

819
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: his book isn't written. He was an experienced player, but

820
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: going to the right couldn't have been easy.

821
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't easy. But I mean, you know, like

822
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: you said, he had the flashes. But also you have

823
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: to remember in those twelve stars in colleges, he didn't

824
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: finish games.

825
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: Any of them, right, So the twelve starts in probably

826
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: nine or like six finishes when they played, when they

827
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: played Bama.

828
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: He had to play the national champion game, and he

829
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: played the championship. But but also with that, he he

830
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: didn't have the endurance. He hadn't played seven.

831
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: Never played seven stabs NFL stabs NFL seven And if

832
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: you remember, Tomlin played him more than anybody in the preseason.

833
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: I assume for that reason.

834
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, I gotta get the reps in

835
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: you the because you've got to be ready to go.

836
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: And so that doesn't do him any favors either. No

837
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: matter if he did get a switch, he didn't have

838
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: the endurance. He doesn't know what fourth quarter, finishing, final

839
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: drive gotta have it. Moments are where you got to

840
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: pull your energy from wherever the ether, you know, to

841
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: get through that drive.

842
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: Because I can tell you Bam is tough, but the

843
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: Ravens are tougher.

844
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 3: The Ravens are way tougher, and they're way more skilled,

845
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: and they're not as tired as you are, and Bama,

846
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: you're they're as tired as you because they also had

847
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: the same thing. They roll in two three lines, so

848
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: you're both you're both sitting there sweating on each other.

849
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Big guy Sumo wrestling at

850
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 3: that point. You're not big guy sumo wrestling in the league.

851
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: These guys are trained for this. They have the endurance

852
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 3: and then if they have experience, you know, they know

853
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: how to save their energy throughout the game. Yeah, whereas

854
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: you're young guy, you know, the young bull, right, run

855
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: down the hill or we can walk down the hill, right,

856
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: And if you're trying to just run down the hill,

857
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: run down hill, you ain't got nothing in the fourth

858
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: gas tank is past e, you know what I'm saying.

859
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: And so he still had to learn that, and he

860
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: learned that halfway through the season in the middle of

861
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: the fire when we're trying to make a playoff bush,

862
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: so you don't really get to gauge anything. So it

863
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: didn't help him from that perspective. And then there was

864
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: nobody there to really teach him that, you know. That

865
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: was the other thing. Who's the vet that's gonna teach

866
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: Dan Moore doesn't know which way is up?

867
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: He still that was my next question. We were talking to

868
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Oline the other day, and I wanted to bring it

869
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: up because Dale and I have mentioned tackles not a need,

870
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't mind a twenty nine year old that

871
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: has some millions in the bank, that has three kids

872
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: at home, that's played left and right. That you get

873
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: it six million or something like that. That's a tackle.

874
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: That's true. He would be your backup to both and

875
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: he's been around the block. I'm not sure who that

876
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: name is in free agency, but I would be interested

877
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: interesting somebody like for me, what helped me when I

878
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: first got Barrett Brooks.

879
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my mentor when I first got.

880
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Said, that's that you're looking for ya, you're looking for

881
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: a star.

882
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: But he's a solid NFL ali, dependable, has years under

883
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: his belt, and he doesn't professional, he doesn't need he

884
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: doesn't have a desire to start to be sorry, I

885
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: know who I am. My job is to get you

886
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: ready and then also to be ready if I have

887
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: to go in because you're not ready. Ye, And that's

888
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: what he did the first four games of the season.

889
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: Barrett dressed. I didn't. And then Barrett, I'll never forget this,

890
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: said as clear as day. He said, Max. The only

891
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: reason I have this jersey on is because you're not

892
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: ready yet. I can't wait for the day that you're ready,

893
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 3: because when you're ready, I don't mind giving this jersey

894
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: over to you. That's my job. I'm just a placeholder

895
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: for you, so make sure you get things done.

896
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: And that's understanding your role on the team. And not

897
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: everybody is going to do that. That's why you know

898
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: it has to be that older yeah guy, because you

899
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: don't want the guy that still has the itch. You

900
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that it's to start the itch to.

901
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: Be the man backup quarterback yeah, because he's not going

902
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: to teach you. He's not going to teach you how

903
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: to do this, how to be a profession Like Barrett

904
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: sat me down, taught me how to watch film, how

905
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: to break it down, how to write in my book.

906
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: When I'm when i'm building my my, my encyclopedia, my opponents,

907
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, especially your your your division opponents that you're

908
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: gonna see twice a year and you're probably gonna see

909
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: him for a number of years. You want to make

910
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: sure you have your book ready. So he taught me

911
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: how to frame my book, how to watch the film.

912
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: He spent extra hours with me. There's nobody in there

913
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: right now that's gonna do that for those young guys,

914
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: because you know, you don't have what I call the

915
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: middle class players the same age. Everybody's everybody's new, everybody's young,

916
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: and you're trying to figure out which ways out. That's why,

917
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: you know, one of the biggest questions about bringing Russell

918
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: Wilson in. You needed a vet ear just on that

919
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: side of the not even in the room, just on

920
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: that side of the ball.

921
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Isaac helps a little, I mean, at least helps. He's

922
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: not the most he's.

923
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: Not a teacher. Well, and that's the other thing. He's

924
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: not a teacher because he's not a talker. And yeah,

925
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: and he's not a tackle on top of that, so

926
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: he's not gonna be able to tell you. He's only

927
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: gonna be able to kind of gather the herd around, right,

928
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 3: you know, he's like the toblerone guy like I'm gonna

929
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: send the horn out and everybody just get rallies around it.

930
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: You can follow him and and do what he does,

931
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: and you see a lot of that training camp.

932
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's great for Mason and Zach, but he's

933
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: not gonna be good for Progerck or Dan, right, you know,

934
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: and so that's Troy, yeah, or even Troy. Yeah, now

935
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 3: Troy a little bit better. Maybe they can maybe Troy

936
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: can pull something out of him. They can talk about

937
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: something Polynesian. I don't know. Hey, man, you try that

938
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: cat's do chicken lately? All right, let's talk about it.

939
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: Okay, open up right, Look at that line room. If

940
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: you bring back herbig, I think you're pretty set from

941
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: guard to guard with Anderson, your three, those two and

942
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: that veteran tackle to be named later needs to come

943
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: in there. Then I might be done on the line,

944
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: give or take. Yeah, maybe a fifth round flyer on

945
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: a tackle or whatever.

946
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: I always developed talent to see what you got.

947
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Bring a Dylan cook back or somebody like that. Yeah, okay,

948
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: but I might be done on a line then.

949
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't go too far

950
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: past that. Yeah, let's get their break.

951
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: Guys, we got to We're well overdue here because we

952
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: start talking offensive line.

953
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: It's just it's just go up.

954
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: We are here live at the NFL Scouting Combine here

955
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis. I'm Dale Lolly with Max Starks and Matt

956
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: Williamson here on the Steelers Audio Network and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

957
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: We will be back to finish up our hour, our

958
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: three hours of coverage that we've done here today, right,

959
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: after this.

960
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: And we are back.

961
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Max

962
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: Starks live at the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

963
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 2: And well we've been on here well since nine to five.

964
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Every day.

965
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: Tomorrow will be a little different, will be nine to

966
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: two as we head on back to Pittsburgh and Max

967
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: heads back to Phoenix and we all go our separate ways.

968
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, well good week so far. We'll have more

969
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: info and understand. I have a better understanding of this

970
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: particular draft class and its strengths and weaknesses. And maxis

971
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: is the drill here that they're starting now, the hula hoop,

972
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: the giant hula hoop.

973
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: Or what they like to call the pursuit drill.

974
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: They added the towels recently. Make sure you get all

975
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: the way down. I think there's something you said for that,

976
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: especially for the edge guys.

977
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, edge guys, this is more important your guys, not

978
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: so much shoulder but not also but it shows the

979
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: lean and you're talking about like splitting a double team.

980
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: You know, the initial point. Can you get skinny enough

981
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 3: to get skinny and stay on that angle right, Because

982
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: that's the one thing, because you know you're going to

983
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: get pressure where you're gonna have to throw shoulder into

984
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: offside guy and throw the hip into the other guy.

985
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 3: So that creates a natural bind angle where you can

986
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: take up both guys and then step through that. So

987
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: that's what this kind of you're looking at to see

988
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: how tight to the Hulu ho drill? That is the

989
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: hockey bro drill that was Hokey's thing. And listen, I

990
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 3: did not master. That's that's why Mitch had to come

991
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: over and talk to me afterwards. Just do what does

992
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not Hoky.

993
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: I'm that backs illutration and getting getting off getting in there.

994
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

995
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: It always used to kill me too when when you know,

996
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: that was one of Jerome bettiester thing. He was able

997
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: to get skinny in the hole. Yeah, time anybody ever

998
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: talked about Jerome getting skinny.

999
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: Only time in life.

1000
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: But it's sort of similar though to a de tackle. Yeah,

1001
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: coming through the air b gap, you know.

1002
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta, I gotta because that's the hole I'm

1003
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: trying to get to and that's where it's going to

1004
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: part for me. Sometimes I hit a little bit early

1005
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: as a running back, and sometimes I get there a

1006
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: little bit late, it's starting to close, but I need

1007
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: to keep on that angle because that's where the linebacker is.

1008
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: So it's a vision thing. But for the defensive lineman,

1009
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: it's like I know that I have a gap responsibility.

1010
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: They shut the A gap down, I don't care how

1011
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: tight it is. I got to be in the A gap,

1012
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: you know. And that's where it comes between the center

1013
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: and the guard. As a nose. True, you're always going

1014
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: to be in a gap. You're never gonna be going.

1015
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: And that's what when when you hear the Steelers talking,

1016
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: you hear it all the time when they have a

1017
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: bad run defense game. We got out of our game

1018
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: as yes, and many people might not understand. What do

1019
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: you mean you got out of your gap? Like you

1020
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: get your job. What's the offensers you'll have to get

1021
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: you out of that gap?

1022
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is like they're paid. We're paying money to

1023
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: get you away from the gap that you We're taught

1024
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: to move you away from what you want to do.

1025
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: And the problem is, like you said, if you have

1026
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: a tough time splitting that a gap, what's the next

1027
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: thing you're gonna do? Well, he's coming down so hard

1028
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: into the gap. I'm gonna jump outside the BE gap

1029
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 3: and then go around him to get there. And the

1030
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: problem is you realize you're not two hundred and twenty pounds,

1031
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: so it's not like you're sliding around a chair at

1032
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: a banquet and trying to get to your table. And

1033
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: you're like, oh god, the running back just took that

1034
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: angle because he's following the wall.

1035
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 2: He's fall compromised everybody else in the defense.

1036
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: Exactly, and he has an escort, and the good backs

1037
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: will set you up and dead like you and then

1038
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: go the other hole or.

1039
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: You know, exact right. So you're already jumping out of

1040
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: you're already jumping out of lane and then trying to

1041
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: jump back in and you're gonna throw your weight this way.

1042
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: Guess what if that guy still wants to go there

1043
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: to that BE gap that you just vacated trying to

1044
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: get back in the A gap and now that that

1045
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: linebacker has a has a muddy view because you just

1046
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 3: jumped in there. So he jumps inside thinking I got

1047
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: to take the A gap because he just took the

1048
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: B gap. He forgot his assignment. Gashing hole. Gashing hole.

1049
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 3: Now that's an eight yard game, or even.

1050
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: Red Taylor Taylors with it.

1051
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: You know, Fred Taylor, the cutback king.

1052
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: He can please be undisciplined and I'll make it, make

1053
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: you pay.

1054
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: Ladanian Tomlinson another one would make a for jumping out

1055
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: of your gap. That's why you had to be said,

1056
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 3: and that's why John Mitchell taught it gotta be goals

1057
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: dogmatic about it. Sounds gap, Sure doesn't sound easy, and

1058
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: that's what it takes two years for those guys proper

1059
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: two gapping in this. But now we're not in that

1060
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: world anymore. So now it's penetration. So it's like you

1061
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: better get through that a gap.

1062
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: And what's crazy too, is so few of these linebackers

1063
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: and defensive players have played against a true lead blocking fullback. Yeah,

1064
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: the fullback comes through the A gap. Well, the mike

1065
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: taking on his right shoulders left shoulder, you know, like

1066
00:45:59,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1067
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: Certain, you know, I don't know. I was like, I'm

1068
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: taught to hit the guy and then you know, and

1069
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: and depending on how much space.

1070
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: In the back might you might not be right either way,

1071
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: depending who the back is right and.

1072
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: The gonna say I've got a two way go. It's

1073
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: not like we're coming off of like a counter right

1074
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: where you have the center and the guard pushing down,

1075
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: the other guard coming up and he's lead blocking, so

1076
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: it's creating that wall. So you know he's gonna bounce

1077
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: it outside. This is iso lead. He's coming there. The

1078
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: back has a two way go off of that.

1079
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: You know, if the backer guesses wrong or reads it wrong, yeah.

1080
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: He's he's gonna be right. So you want to be

1081
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: able to shove a guy back into that hole and

1082
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: take away the space that the back would break down

1083
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: and make a decision.

1084
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: To cut, which is what Landon Roberts does.

1085
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 3: And listen, listen the hammer. I mean, you know, Wolf

1086
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: calls him twenty three and me because he's gonna leave

1087
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: DNA on you every play, but I just call it

1088
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: the hammer. He brings the hammer, and he doesn't think

1089
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Speaker 3: twice about I'm gonna blow it up. You know. I

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Speaker 3: call him boom boom pow because he's dynamite, you know,

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Speaker 3: and and and and but Pat Queen is not that guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and Peyton Willis is not the guy. So we you

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Speaker 3: would like to bring Roberts go in there. I really

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Speaker 3: need a Landon robertson my three man rotation because he's

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Speaker 3: gonna change it up. He's gonna make it greasy in

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Speaker 3: the short yardage, the I formation stuff, whether they're motioning

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Speaker 3: to it or not. Now I get it. Some team's

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Speaker 3: scheme and they can pull him out of it. But

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Speaker 3: more often than not, if you and your back are

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Speaker 3: on the same course, you should be able to do this. Whoop, Hey, Pat,

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Speaker 3: you can run with You can run with these guys.

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Speaker 3: That guy I can't. I'm here for the hole and

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Speaker 3: you can switch that once you get a better relationship

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Speaker 3: with each other. New England did that for a number

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Speaker 3: of years, right, you know they knew how to switch

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Speaker 3: guys where Bruski was gonna be here, and that's what

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Speaker 3: he did. So he if if you got him and

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Speaker 3: like we're trying to scheme him out of it, he

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Speaker 3: would just switch spots. Your job, Yeah, do your job.

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Speaker 3: What's you're good at? All right?

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Speaker 2: What we're good at is talking. And we are now done.

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Speaker 2: We did a lot of that. We did quite a

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Speaker 2: bit and well once again and we'll be back again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But I want to thank everybody who's been involved again

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Speaker 2: today with from West Yuler, Rob King, Jerry Duelek, Max Starks,

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I guess I'll thank myself as well, Tyler

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Speaker 2: the video creator, Tyler the video creator that should be

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Speaker 2: his new nickname. That is new nickname, And of course

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Speaker 2: uh TVC Justin Miller Beck in studio making us sound

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Speaker 2: good as well or as good as possible. But anyways,

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Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. We thank you for listening to

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Speaker 2: all of our live coverage here from the NFL Scouting

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Speaker 2: Combine here in Indianapolis. We will be back again tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: same BAT channel, BAT station from nine to two. Don't

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Speaker 2: you miss it. That's going to do it for today.