1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, DJ Bucky here moved the sticks. I mean, 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: I feel like Bucket. We just did this right, No, 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: just got back at it well, back to back, back 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: to back. Nice. Yeah, Well, look it's fun. We got 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of ground to cover today. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this defensive line class in college football, 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: which is good, a chance to be one of the 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: best we've seen quite some time. I'm gonna go through 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: Bucky's notes and what he's been working on. Teased it 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: in the last episode. Do you need a number one 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver in today's NFL? Bucky tackles that question. We'll 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: get into that play our little game of truth or troll. 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna explain it now, trust me, you're gonna 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: enjoy this. Um. But at the top of the show again, 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: we talked about this the other day. This is fascinating 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: to me, buck because we've been talking about virtual reality 18 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: kind of invading the scouting space for for so long. 19 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: It's been analytics, and now I think the next wave 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: here is is virtual reality. And it really came into 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: focus with with some of the things we saw take 22 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: place in the NBA recently, specifically with the Detroit Pistons. Um, 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: they're incorporating some some VR into their prep as they 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: get ready for the draft. Yes, it's really an amazing tool. Um, 25 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that, UM, we've seen it 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: at every level. We've seen high school players kind of 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: be exposed to it. At Lead to Leven, we brought 28 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: some guys in and had them kind of play with 29 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: We've heard about colleges using and we've seen NFL players 30 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: also use it. But what we're hearing about the NBA 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: and some of these NBA teams doing and what they're 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: incorporating VR into their combined process could be extraordinary. It 33 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: could change the game a little bit when it comes 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: to scouting. And this is what I'm excited about because 35 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: we've got a good friend of the program who's been 36 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: on before. One of our former colleagues, Michael Burger, joins 37 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: us right now who now works at Johnny's executive sports producer. 38 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: I want to top VR companies out there, so we 39 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: want to bring in an expert. Burger, Well, I don't 40 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: know why you brought me. We couldn't we couldn't find 41 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: one and so we we wanted to bring you up. 42 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm honored to be here. Even in spite 43 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: of that. You know, So this is uh, it's fast, 44 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: it's cool, it's really cool. Where this whole world is going. 45 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: I want to kind of just get a thirty picture 46 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: here from yeah, just in terms of how long ago, 47 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: uh did it start getting introduced in the sports world, 48 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: how's it being used now we'll go into what's what 49 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: it looks like in the future. Yeah, sure, So you know, um, 50 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: this has been uh, you know, it's been about probably 51 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: four or five years. I mean, you know dates back 52 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: you know in a sort of cursory way, you know, 53 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years when VR started to be you know, 54 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: people were messing around. I remember the movie Lawn Miller Man. 55 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: That was kind of the first, like you know, Vrucking 56 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: members the first kind of and then so but not yeah, 57 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: well whatever, look given the benefit of I know, um, 58 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: but in earnest you know, in sports especially, it's the 59 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: last kind of you know, five years or so, um 60 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: that you've seen. Um, you know this medium kind of 61 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: start to you know, enter the picture and really start 62 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: to you know, pick up some steam. Um, there's a 63 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: company called Striver based out of the Bay Area. UM. Uh, 64 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of college Stanford UM grad students. 65 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: Uh you know, uh started working with Kevin Hogan while 66 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: he was actually at Stanford, and you know, his play 67 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: improved dramatically. He said, this is this is a literally, 68 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: as Bucky said, a game changer. UM. And they started 69 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: this company and and uh it's really you know, they 70 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: were the first into kind of the sports training uh 71 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: you know landscape. They've worked with a number of different teams. 72 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: I think they're working with seven NFL teams now, Um, Cowboys, Cardinals, 73 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: the Vikings are a good example case. Keenam is actually 74 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: kind of the poster child for you know how effective 75 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: this can be. UM. He used it when he was 76 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: with the Rams, and when he went to Minnesota said 77 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: I need you know, I need this in the training room. 78 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: And he would go after practice, poor practice and spend 79 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: a half hour in there. So they had kind of 80 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: a VR set up in the building. UM. And I 81 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: think the number I saw was I mean he got 82 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: through you can get through like twenty five hundred reps 83 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: in you know, just a half hour, just by seeing 84 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: plays over and over again from different angles. In different perspective. 85 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: So would you have them? Would you you have the 86 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: goggles on, right, you have headphones on? Yeah, I'm assuming. 87 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: And then is there some type of a device where 88 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: then you can test yourself in terms of like pushing 89 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: up what coverage it is you push a button or 90 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: you know how just tell me how this work. Yes, 91 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: there's a couple of ways to do it. So there. 92 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I think, um, that what you're talking about is probably 93 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: where it's going, which is where the combine is headed 94 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: with the ability to kind of apply a um, a 95 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: sort of wonder like football test exactly. Um. But but 96 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: he you know, I think the way they have it 97 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: set up is they're just they have cameras at practice 98 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: that film plays from all different angles so that you 99 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: can see what the safeties are seeing, you can see 100 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: what you know, your slot receiver was seeing what the 101 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: linebackers were seeing, and be able to diagnose plays visually 102 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: from that standpoint. Um, and you know, again it's just 103 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: you know, rep after rep instead of having to literally 104 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: take snaps, you can just see the play you know, 105 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: develop and diagnose it accordingly. So um, you know, and 106 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: then to your point, scouting is the next kind of well, 107 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: if if we can get this, yeah, sure, so, um, 108 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: you know the Pistons. So they actually started using this 109 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Andre Drummond, who's the center 110 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: for the Pistons, um was one of the league's worst 111 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: free throw shooters. I mean I think he was in 112 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: like the like in like the thirties, I think, right, um, 113 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know he they said, we we 114 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: gotta figure out a way to get you better. And 115 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: so they started using basically a free throw simulator with him, 116 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: where he would put on a headset and he would 117 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: just he would visualize and start shooting and it would 118 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: kind of simulate the forum and the rhythm and and 119 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: just kind of you know, So, how do you tell 120 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: that the ball is leaving your hand as he holding 121 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: a ball? Yeah, so there's that one was Yes, so 122 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: there's a way to simulate the ball so that you 123 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: can see it going in. It is all about visualization, 124 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: just like any sword, right. So so he was working 125 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: on this and doing it and I and I thought, 126 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: I read last I looked before I came last night. 127 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: I think he jumped from like thirty to sixty, which 128 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: is a literally, you know, increase in So the Pistons 129 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: were kind of you know, intrigued by this Western thank 130 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: you very much, UM and so UM at the combine 131 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: this year at the NBA, which just happened a couple 132 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: weeks ago. UM, for their fifteen minutes, which is what 133 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: the NFL players get in Indianapolis as well, obviously, UM, 134 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: they took a headset and put some players Davante Graham 135 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: I saw was one of him, UM from Kansas, and 136 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: put them through a simulation where they would have to 137 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, read a play pick and roll screen. I 138 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: saw whatever it was and say, you know, this is 139 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: where you know, and I'm not exactly sure. It wasn't 140 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: clear how what the user experience was, whether they were 141 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: able to push buttons or sort of you know, score 142 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: themselves on the fly or or whatnot just verbalized yeah 143 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: maybe UM. But there again, the interactive portion, a component 144 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: of this whole medium is kind of where this is 145 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: going to be able to do that. And we've started 146 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: experience with some of that stuff and and so yeah, 147 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: the ability to sort of grade yourself on the fly. 148 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: But he you know, is there a screen interrupting I'm 149 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: sure people listen to this to yeah, thinking the same 150 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: thing is why he has the goggles on and he's 151 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: moving his head and changing his perspective and what he sees. 152 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: If we're in the room, is there a can you 153 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: set up a monitor so we can see what he's 154 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: looking at? Absolutely, So that's how you're able to, if 155 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: you're in the room, to judge whether or not he's 156 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: making the right looking a looking in the right place 157 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: and be making the right It's unbelievable, it is. It 158 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: is really a remarkable thing. Um and college and work 159 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: with a sports psychologist, and we did a lot of 160 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: visualization stuff, but to think of it from the nineties 161 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: to now next this is this is certainly next level. 162 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting in the evaluation process as 163 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: we take it from basketball to football. I think this 164 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: could be very very important and very critical and quarterback evaluations. 165 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: Being able to put them on a VR set and 166 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: let them evaluate coverage, see coverage. I think you can 167 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: check protections, a lot of what they know their football, 168 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: like you, their overall awareness, the anticipation, all those things. 169 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: I think in the quarterback evaluation, I think it could 170 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: be invalue. Yeah, you know reminds me of it, you know, 171 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: when I when we worked here, we used to get 172 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: much at the combine and get the quarterbacks on the 173 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: white board right and bring Carson wentz no. But like 174 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: but next, that's what I mean. This is the you know, 175 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: you're blowing it wide open with this and that's and 176 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: your but much is looking in that moment for to 177 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: test the acumen to see if this guy has it right. 178 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: He would write up a play and then he would 179 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: raise it on the whiteboard and he would say, joking, 180 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: now draw the play again, right exactly. And so this 181 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: is this makes it to you know, the nth degree, 182 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: and it is and it's a it's a really fascinating, 183 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, way to way to judge this. I mean 184 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: I even think about it from you could do it 185 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: any position running back, what's your what's your aiming point? 186 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: You know, okay, what do you take? Pick the right hole? 187 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Because all reps matter past protection between a physical rip 188 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: and a mental rep. And well, the more rip that 189 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: you get, like you talk about case keen and being 190 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: able to get in a thirty minute session, those things 191 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: talk about accelerating the process when in the preparations. So 192 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: this all exists right now. It kind of it baffles 193 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: me that the NFL that we aren't already there in 194 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: a scouting standpoint, How is this not happened? Well, why 195 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: isn't this happened? So I think, I mean I was 196 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: just talking to hythe them before. You know, this is 197 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: where at this let's use to say by the Bell analogy, 198 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: because that's the only way we're at the Zach Morris 199 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: cell phone stage of this, right, I mean, this is 200 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: this is all going to get faster and bigger and better. Um. 201 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I think, look, you know, the NFL 202 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: can be most sports leagues. Institutions are can be old 203 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: school sometimes and you know, you have your scouting in 204 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: your analytics, and you're you know this is but we've 205 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: seen some you know, some money ball enter into the picture. 206 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: We've seen some revolutionary stuff start to happen, and and 207 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: I think it's just a matter of time before I think, 208 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: once the technology catches up with the demands. Um. And 209 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see that now. You look, 210 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: it's still there's some clunkiness to some of this stuff 211 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: and and um, you know, some of the new wireless 212 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: headsets have just been released, so you don't have to 213 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: have a cord connected to the computer. You can kind 214 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: of just walk around and and you know have that freedom. 215 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: So um, you know once you know, once critical mass happens, 216 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: it will be in the next you know, probably a 217 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: couple of years. Um. Yeah, it's this is I mean, 218 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: that's you know, sports is the natural you know VR, 219 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: you know that they just it's a perfect intersection. Um 220 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think you're starting to see 221 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: that a little bit more and more. Is there any 222 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: way is the technology exists? I don't even know how. 223 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sound really dumb right here, but like with 224 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think about how they make video games 225 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: and put on the body suit and all that kind 226 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: of stuff. Is there a way where you could even 227 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: have stuff on your hands you can see where your 228 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: hands are moving. Yeah, no, no that so we so 229 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: part of what we do at John So we we 230 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: work with the NFL. Um on I could do a 231 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: little plug here, I'm sorry. Uh. So, we we have 232 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: sports partnerships with the NFL, the NBA, espn uh, the IOC, 233 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: all kinds of people. We we focus more on narrative 234 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: sort of storytelling. We just worked with you guys with 235 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: the NFL films on NFL Immersed, which was kind of 236 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: a nine part VR docuseries, um, you know featuring Chris 237 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: Long and Clay's Campbells and other guys. Anyway, was great. Um. 238 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: But you know, also, as I said, interactivity to be 239 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: able to do some of that stuff, that's kind of 240 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: the next frontier of this stuff. You know. We just 241 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: created a game, uh in VR sort of an underwater 242 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: bad mitten game where you can wear you know, a 243 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: major brand came does said we want to do something cool, 244 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: So we created this game where you can take it, 245 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: you know, all over the country to various events and 246 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: you're basically you set up at bars or concerts, verver, 247 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: and you put on a headset and you have a 248 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: little racket and you play bad Mitten against somebody else 249 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: and you can try you see the racket, you see 250 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: your hands, there's an avatar of yourself in like scuba gear. 251 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: Especially if those people you have a couple of drinks 252 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: and that a lot of fun. Fun. But you can 253 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: but so yeah, so you can you can recreate yourself 254 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: in this in this environment. Um, it's called six degrees 255 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: of freedom where you're the have ability to move up, down, left, right, 256 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: back forward, um. And and that's kind of the net 257 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: once you once you're really able to uh, you know, 258 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: duplicate yourself in a virtual environment, then it really takes 259 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: a level The way I asked that because I'm thinking 260 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: about all these different positions football ways, and let's let's 261 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: take if you're a tackle, right, So say you're a 262 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: tackle buck and you're getting ready to play von Miller, 263 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: and if you had some kind of you have the 264 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: headset on, you have a suit, there's no physical context, 265 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: especially another way to try and get reps without putting 266 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: yourself an injury risk. Um to be able to Okay, 267 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: I can take a step, I can take a kick step, Okay, 268 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: it's a spin. Okay, how do I adjust with that? 269 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: Or my hands? What's my aiming points? Different things like that. 270 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that's probably a little bit further away. Yeah, 271 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: but that's the kind of thing where if we're always 272 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: talking about how do we make the game safer, that's 273 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: a great way to do it. You're getting reps with 274 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: zero physical risk. I mean it kind of changes the 275 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: nature potentially you walk through. Obviously, the equipment I would 276 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: anticipate would be very expensive, but if you have an 277 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: owner just willing to lavish it on his team, and 278 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: really invest in VR to upgrade his team. I think 279 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of creative things that you can 280 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: do to really help accelerate the learning process. Think about 281 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: all the rookies that come into the league. They can't 282 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: get enough reps on the field. You can put them 283 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: in the VR room and do a lot of different 284 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: things to help him get up to speed with the vets. Yeah, 285 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's baseball is another one you're all 286 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: you're talking about. It's recognition, right, It's being able to 287 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: recognize exactly so you know, the spin on the ball. 288 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: There's a company in Kansas City that's working on really 289 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, trying to simulate is just so you know 290 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: whether it's a slide or whether it's a curveball, change 291 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: up all that stuff. So, I mean, the sky's a 292 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: little with the stuff. And I said, we're just scratching 293 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: the surface. To Bucky's point, though, it's not you know, 294 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: I think initially, um, some of the costs can be, 295 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: but it's not that expensive. It really isn't. To set 296 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: this up and to film this and to you know, 297 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: distribute this in either internally or or consumer facing is 298 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: really getting you know, pretty affordable and I think that's 299 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: when you know, the critical mass kind of happens and 300 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: you're able to sort of consume this on a on 301 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: a mass level. Well, I'm fascinated, but I really do 302 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: think this is kind of the next wave. You know, 303 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: we've kind of come through the analytics period that's still 304 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: growing and evolving, but it's had a big impact in 305 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: the scouting world. I think this is the next wave. 306 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: What about move the sticks? Virtual reality we could do. 307 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: We could put we can put a camera here and 308 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: you could virtually you can feel like you're really I mean, 309 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: you can feel like you're at the desk. People will 310 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: be lined up, That's what I'm saying. They would be 311 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: lined up to get a sense of what that's like. 312 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: Speaking which I brought you guys a little little gifts here. 313 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: So it's not a full headset, but it is. They're 314 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: called homados and you can clip them. You clip them 315 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: onto your phone and you can download, you know, some apps, 316 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: and then you sort of do this and you can 317 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: put it on backwards because that's smart, and then you 318 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of watch you can see it looks you know, 319 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: it's not a full not a full virtual experience. It's 320 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: kind of somewhere between not even three D. But it's 321 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: a it's a good little knicknacks. It's a you give 322 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: you a little taste, taste taste, so so you know 323 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't come empty handed. Thank you for bringing of course, 324 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing your expertise. Mean that before you go, 325 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: before you go, can we can we make uh NBA 326 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: predictions back there? Selly real quick. Absolutely, let's do it. 327 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Uh Warriors and four? What do you got? What you got? Buck? 328 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: Bringing out the broom? They're going to get a game. 329 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: Disrespect It's going to be a disrespectful series. I'm gonna go, 330 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, I'm gonna go. It's gonna go six games. 331 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: You don't have you're not taking the cab that I mean? 332 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: They say they couldn't be boss. They haven't played anybody. 333 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: This is the first team? Are you talking about the 334 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: first tame? They're gonna pla you talking about they beat 335 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: the Raptors and the Raptors have the best league record 336 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: in the league. Come on, so you'm I'll meat in 337 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: the middle. I'll take I'll take Warriors in five. They're 338 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: going to get a game. You're w how about we go? 339 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: Cabs and six? Whoa I mean somebody has to go 340 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: what I got, like, Wow, you gotta put it. You 341 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: gotta put like a thousand dollars to win a hundred. 342 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: By the way, for for the there you go up 343 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: at the horn going by the way, for those listening, 344 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: that is the second most controversial thing Bucky has to day. 345 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Go check out nfl dot com slash and that was 346 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: the controversial. That was got a video that's gonna be 347 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: out there talking about quarterbacks and who he'd wanted his 348 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: quarterback for the next decade, for the next decade. So 349 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: if you're listening to golf, I'm not only going lord 350 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: the league. I'm gonna lord you. Yeah, go ahead, I'm 351 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: a lord. I'm a lord. I'm owned a division division. 352 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: I look at these new glasses Burger gave me and 353 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: it still doesn't look right. But you you and your partner, 354 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that's not not my guy, not my 355 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: guy Andy Dalton, Right, I'm just gonna get that. Oh 356 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: I think Andy tapped Andy two? Oh? Can can we 357 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: use Andy under? Thirty? Was a close? He's probably thirty one. 358 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, how do you get some Bengals? 359 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: How the man I would have considered him. Yeah, yeah, 360 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: I bet I bet you close. Yeah, all right, Burger, 361 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: get out of here before they told you. All right, guys, 362 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Thanks buddy, Thanks ye Bluck. Good to 363 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: see our old pal Michael Burger here in the studio. 364 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, that was great. That was fantastic. Now I'll 365 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: say this, and I've done this with high school guys, 366 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: like high school quarterbacks. I have had them, and I 367 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: guess this would kind of count as virtual reality. I've 368 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: had them download high school playbooks and tell them to 369 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: put it on Madden, okay, and to play Madden with 370 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: visual it's visual learning. It gives them an opportunity to 371 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: kind of understand it and see it in a different way. 372 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Certainly not the bills and whistles that some of the 373 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: VR stuff they have, but it's a very, very common thing. 374 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: And I know college coaches have used VR to kind 375 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: of help their players, particularly quarterbacks, get up to speed. 376 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: So I just think it's the wave of the future. 377 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: And as you bring it into scouting, I do believe 378 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: you can uncover some some secrets that can help you 379 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: make an evaluation on the player. And we all know 380 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback position is the most important position. How do 381 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: you process to see how they process information? I think 382 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: that would be critical. It's it's fascinating to me again. 383 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Uh go check out that article that's out there on 384 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: the pistons. You have to look that up. It's uh 385 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: it kind of gives you an idea of how they 386 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: were using it. And I do think it's next next 387 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: in line for the big innovation here in the scouting world. 388 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: All right, buck, let's uh we talked about this at 389 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: the top. Uh, this this upcoming draft, and we're a 390 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: million years away from it. Don't need to get into 391 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: where guys are gonna go around of that stuff. But 392 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: when we look at college football right now, you know, 393 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: coming off of a year we've had a ton of quarterbacks. 394 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: The last two years, we've seen running backs at the wazoo. 395 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: I mean ton of running backs. This year it's it's 396 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about it. It's the year the defensive lineman. 397 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: It is the year the defensive alignement. Whatever you're looking 398 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: for upfront, inside, outside, you should have uh, plenty of options. 399 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: But this year, really looking at the d tackle class, 400 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of talent. I think the interesting thing when 401 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: we look at all of these guys, because we'll be 402 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: excited about these guys now because there are a number 403 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: of names that we'll talk about and we'll continue to 404 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: get into those. But I think the trick when you're 405 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: evaluating these interior defensive linement and some of the other guys, 406 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: can they rush to pass? Because the premium is always 407 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: on disrupting the timing and the rhythm of the quarterback. 408 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: And so when we're looking at these guys, we're looking 409 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: at those tackles and d tackles and d N the 410 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: number one thing that has to go to the top 411 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: of the charts. Can they rushed to pass it? Because 412 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: if they can rush the pastor, it gives them added bonus, 413 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: gives them a little extra credit when it comes to 414 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: the evaluation. Um, Look when you look at those defensive tackles, 415 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: I know, big Dexter play for your dad, right, Dexter 416 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: larn from Clemson, he did play for my Tell me 417 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: about him a little bit, and he's he's got a 418 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: chance to be the best one of the But he 419 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: has a chance. He has really has a chance to 420 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: be the best one. I think the big thing will 421 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: be when scouts go in and evaluate him at Clemson 422 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: he's been playing more of a nose tackle technique, playing 423 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: right over top of the center. Kind of is a 424 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: zero or one. But I think at his size he's 425 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: six for thirty plus pounds, he can play at three technique. 426 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: He can move, He's super athletic. He's a big time 427 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: basketball player in high school, so he has nimble feet. Um. 428 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: I think the thing that you want to see from 429 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: all of these guys that we'll talk about and look, 430 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: he has a partner, two partners on that defensive one 431 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: Christian Wilkinson and then Cleland Feller. Both of those guy, 432 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: like all three of those guys can be disruptive. I 433 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: think with Dexter, Dexter will have to show people that 434 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: he can rush to pass it. I would put a 435 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: goal for him is eight if he can get eight sacks, 436 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: I think that if some questions uh that people will 437 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: have about him Russian. But those other two guys, um, 438 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins to me was a top ten pick, bea 439 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: come out. I was kind of surprised that he stayed 440 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: in his his versatility because I believe he's the guy 441 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: that can play anywhere from one which is a shade 442 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: on the center all the way out to nine, and 443 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: I think it's uncommon to find someone with that kind 444 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: of athleticism, flexibility, um, explosiveness. He has it all. And 445 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: then I mean, you talk about powerful. So I'm doing 446 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing my first look series that starts next Tuesday 447 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: with the player I'm gonna get to in just a 448 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: moment here um. And part of the deal is we 449 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: want to talk about those players before I do them. 450 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: We'll talk about him on the podcast. But I don't 451 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: want to give away who my who I think they 452 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: remind me of at the NFL level, so I haven't. 453 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm I think Wilkins is a couple of weeks away, 454 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna write down this name so I can't. 455 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to tell everybody. You have to look 456 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: for it. But this is the name that I thought 457 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: of when I watched Uh. That's who I thought of Wilkins. 458 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: Everything that that player did in college. Remember how he 459 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: was used. That's funny because I use that as a 460 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: different comparison. I used that as my comparison for at Oliver. Okay, 461 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: I looked at Oliver. We're so far over their heads 462 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: right now. We've got we've got secrets. But it's gonna 463 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: be a nice payoff for you. Trust me. Ed Oliver. 464 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: Ed Oliver is a defensive tackle from Houston who has 465 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: already declared that he is coming out and actually is drafting. 466 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: When you watch him, high motive player, doesn't give up, 467 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: very active at the point of attack, does a great 468 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: job of Russian the past. And he's funny because he 469 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: is best when he is on the move, move when 470 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: they use the question loops. He has all of that. 471 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: The thing that he will have to overcome, and I 472 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: guess Aaron Donald's success is helping him size. When you 473 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: get engaged, it's not usually gonna end well for him. 474 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: But he's slanting and stunting constantly on the move, I mean, 475 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: just on the move, and look for a guy that 476 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: he's listed to six to six three six one on 477 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: a generous day. He's gonna have to be a guy 478 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: that can kind of get in the cracks and make 479 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: some things happen. And he has to continue to show 480 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: people that he canmerce the pass well. One of the 481 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: things that obviously he's not gonna be draft eligible this 482 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: year was it was it the Xavier Thomas who was 483 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: the Clemson's got a edge. They got two addressers, one 484 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: of which I went up there when I visited you 485 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: up there at the opening. Yes, nobody can block that, dude. No, 486 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean, like, and here's the thing even start with 487 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: all of these guys. I mean, we can talk about 488 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: Dexter Rashan Gary, who's up at Michigan. They're telling of 489 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: guys Gary, up and down, up and down, up and down, 490 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Thomas and also got kJ Henry the two big time right, 491 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you look at these guys and 492 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: these guys on the inside, and that's the new marquee thing. 493 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: Before we used to talk about if you building your team, 494 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: you want to edge rushers. Now when you talk to 495 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: the NFL executives, they want to go on the outside. 496 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: But also a goal in the Yeah. And so when 497 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: you think about what Aaron Donald's able to do versus 498 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: a guy like a Khalil mac or Von miller Um, 499 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: it helps to have one of each on your team 500 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: because now who do you said? The double team too, 501 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: and so it just makes it very very challenging when 502 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: you have it into your presence. And also for traditional 503 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: classic drop back quarterbacks, having someone that can go through 504 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: the a gaps right between the center and the guard 505 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: is the most disruptive place to put a pastor because 506 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: he's right in his face. He can't see, he can't 507 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: get around. I remember, look, I I start outing three. 508 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: You started getting a little bit before the two thousand one. Yeah, 509 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: And to me early on it was always, yeah, you 510 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: want one on the right side, one on the left side. 511 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: If you you know you don't want one pass rusher, 512 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: you want to put them opposites and go hunt. And 513 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: then to me, it all kind of changed, just you know, 514 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: for me specifically when I saw what in the two 515 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: year period where they were dominant with Alden Smith and 516 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: Justin Smith, Yeah, ending up next to each other in 517 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: the havoc that they created for those good forty nine 518 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: And I think I think that goes at the same 519 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: time when Albert Haynesworth and Albert Haynesworth was down to Tennessee, 520 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: they were able to put him the free opposite with 521 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: with with cal Van den Bosch and and some of 522 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: the other guys. And you saw where an interior player 523 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: can set the table for other guys. And so but 524 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: you're right with the San Francisco forty niners head with 525 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: Cowboy and Alton Smith, that was special and it really 526 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: made it very, very difficult to get one on ones 527 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: on to get double teams on Aldo Smith because Justine 528 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: Smith could get home on his own accord. Uh. Going 529 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: back to the edge reshers, to me and I've got 530 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: more to study, but the best edge dresser I've seen 531 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: as far as is Nick Bosa. It'll Hio State and 532 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: it's not even close with what he can do. Buck 533 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: So many times we talk about the technique and finish 534 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: are two things that almost every single great pass rusher 535 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: has at the NFL level. Now, some guys can get 536 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: away with it in college just with brutes, brute force 537 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: or with pure speed. He has polished. He has polished 538 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: with his hands, the efforts outstanding. He can bend and 539 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: do all the different things you want to do. He 540 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: doesn't have the same size as as big brother, but 541 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: to me, he's the most dominating edge presence. Now, the 542 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: question is gonna be how does he handle the increased workload. 543 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: They've had so many guys, so much depth there, so 544 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: he's been able to kind of come in there be 545 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: always fresh, always hunting, so I think he'll he'll take 546 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: on a little bit more of a workload. How does 547 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: he do there and then instinct wise against the run. 548 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 1: How is he able to locate, find the football and 549 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: finish in the run game to compliment what he does 550 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, But if you want to talk 551 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: about the most dominating edge player in college football, it 552 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: resides at Ohio State. You know, the more and more 553 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: I'm around this, the more I've decided that pass pass 554 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: rushers are artists. It is about the ability to set 555 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: you up, the ability to really um manipulate you with 556 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: power and finesse to also bring the effort and Nick Bolsea, 557 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: what you see is a very skilled technician, a guy 558 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: who does a great job of winning with his hands. 559 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: His ability to win with his hands may offset some 560 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: of the things that he may not have as an athlete, 561 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: but his first step quickness, his ability to get inside 562 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: and outside, to have a wide array of moves. He 563 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: is very, very difficult for blockers to deal with, and 564 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: when they are able to pin their ears back in 565 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: an obvious passing situation, look out because he's gonna knock 566 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: your quarterback down. Yeah, he's he's a fun player. Look 567 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: forward to watching him more this fall. Anyways, this defensive 568 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: line class buck it has a chance potentially. Now we've 569 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: seen a potential go one way or the other. But 570 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: coming into this fall, I can't remember a year we've 571 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: been this excited about a defensive front that we have 572 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: this year in college. For now, I think it's all 573 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: about the defensive personnel up front. Even in the second 574 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: and third levels, there are a lot of talented defenders 575 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: and so um this would be a draft where we 576 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: talk about those guys, uh that we typically don't talk 577 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: about on the other side of the ball, even though 578 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: I do believe some of these quarterbacks will eventually merv 579 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: emerge and we will begin to get the hype factor 580 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: on some of those guys, just like we saw the 581 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: hype factor in this last class of quarterbacks. Taking we 582 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: do more than a few three sixties on the big 583 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: hog Mallas. Yeah, we're gonna have some d linemen to 584 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: focus on this year. It's gonna be fun. Um Buck. 585 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: The question you post you tease this on the last episode, 586 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: do you need a number one wide receiver? Go ahead, 587 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: go tell us what you've been working on. Well, you know, 588 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: I was just listening to the best quarterback in football, 589 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and he in in an interview you talked 590 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: about he doesn't feel like you really need a number 591 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: one receiver that you can get away with um not 592 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: having a marquee name on the outside and just spread 593 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: the ball around. And so it got me to thinking, 594 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: do you really need a number one receiver to be successful? 595 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: And so naturally you look at the grades, and you 596 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: look at the top quarterbacks in the game, and my 597 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: eyes go right to Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers, 598 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: and you could argue, then none of those guys have 599 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: really been afforded opportunity to play with the marquee number 600 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: one one. Now, in Tom Brady's case, you can make 601 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: the argument that, look, Rob Gronkowski is the number one 602 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: option in the passing game. You don't have u an 603 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: option where you can defense him. So that makes it 604 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: very easy to build a passing game around him. But 605 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: with Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, I don't know if you 606 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: ever said that they played with a plus players on 607 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: the outside. And so as I started thinking about this, 608 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: and I thought about the number of first rounders that 609 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: we fasten twenty fifteen that have not been able to 610 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: come in and produce. We've seen a lot of second 611 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: and third rounders It kind of speaks to the talent 612 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: of the pass catcher position. The better the quarterback, the 613 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: lesser the need to have a number one receiver. Obviously, 614 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: if you put an A plus quarterback with an A 615 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: plus receiver, you see what the patients were able to 616 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: do with Randy Moss on the outside. But how often 617 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: have we really seen that. We haven't seen it much, 618 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: and so I haven't spent time in Green Bay under 619 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: Mike Honger, who came from San Francisco where he had guys. 620 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: He always used to tell us, when we're looking for guys, 621 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: let's get B plus players. We get B plus wide receivers. 622 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: The system will get them open, and our quarterbacks will 623 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: always be able to elevate them. Having Brett for then 624 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: having other guys that kind of played after him, you 625 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: saw that influence. And so when I look at Doug Peterson, 626 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson comes from that same since he was a 627 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: backup when I was a receiver there, and you look 628 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: at what Philadephi was able to do the better to 629 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: quarterback Carson Wentz, Nick Foles playmakers on the outside, they 630 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: have a lot of success. I think the Eagles are 631 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: interesting case study though, when and I know it was 632 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: year one, so there's obviously gonna be natural growth for 633 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: a quarterback from year one to year two. But you know, 634 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: it depends on how you define Alshon Jeffrey. Is he 635 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: a true number one? I mean I think he was 636 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: somebody that was I mean the level of play at 637 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: the receiver position from last year to this year, which 638 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: dramatically improved. And whether he's a whether he's a one 639 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: and a half for you know, a one minus or 640 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: two plus. Yeah, So I think I think the best 641 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: way would be is he is he a A level 642 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: receiver or is he a B plus? Would you call him? 643 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: If we were giving grades? Would give I would? I 644 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: would give al Sean a B plus? Yeah, B plus 645 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: A minus like that. That's the thing, like I think 646 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: when you're saying a top, I'm talking about A plus is, 647 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: so A plus is would be Julio A. J. Green, 648 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham, I mean Mike Evans you put 649 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: in there, Yeah, Mike EVI is DeAndre Hopkins. Do you 650 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: really need one of those guys? Or can you get 651 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: away with B plus is? Because if you think about 652 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: all Sean Jeffrey Nelson, Agla Nelson are probably be a 653 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: solid bead a head Tory Smith who was like a 654 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: B minus C plus. They put those guys together and 655 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: A probably would say an A plus tight end top 656 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: three tight end, and then yes and so and so 657 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: when you started thinking about it, like man systematic's a collection, 658 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: you can probably get the get away with some of 659 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: those guys. If all are high level bees, you can 660 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: win a lot of games with those guys. You don't 661 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: have to go and open up the car offers and 662 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: say I gotta have the marquee the top of the 663 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: top to help my quarterback. Now, if you don't have 664 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: one of those quarterbacks, if you have a guy that 665 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: is a B B plus quarterback, when now you gotta 666 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: elevate him because you gotta have better receivers. I think 667 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: you have to understand how to scout what you have 668 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: in your room. I think the bigger picture here. Um, 669 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: you know you always say a secondary is as good 670 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: as your weakest member. So who you know? Who? Who is? 671 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: Who are they gonna attack? Do you do not have 672 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: somebody that they're just gonna pen to pen their ears 673 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: back and go after one guy. That's how you can 674 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: kind of judge the overall strength of a secondary I 675 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: think for the offensive line as well. We used to 676 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: always talked about this in Baltimore when I was there. 677 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, we had Jonathan Ogden, first ballot Hall of Famer, 678 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: all time great, and we would debate, you know, when 679 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: his contract would come up. I mean, obviously we're gonna 680 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: pay him. I mean that I wasn't involving that decision, 681 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: but he was not. He was not gonna get out 682 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: of the building. But we'd have the hypothetical of look 683 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: at his number. Now, if we spread that number across 684 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: the whole line, you could have a line of B 685 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: B pluses, you know, left all the way to write. 686 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: Now you give Jonathan Ogden number one tackle money, now 687 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: you have a A plus plus left tackle, but you 688 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: might have to play with the C right guard. Yes, 689 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: it's just that those are the conversations, and those are 690 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: the conversations that you have to have, and so like, 691 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: let's think about it. If you think about the rams, 692 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: and we use the RAMS as a as a nice 693 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: case in point, Robert Woods would come in as a B. 694 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: We would say that Cooper cup In in the draft 695 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: evaluation was probably a B, solid solid um. They did 696 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: bring Sammy Watkins over Sammy Watkins was drafted as an 697 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: A A plus, but he has played like a B 698 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: B plus player. So they got away with a lot 699 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: of bees. They had a great play call, and you 700 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: have Jerry Goffin, so they've been able to score a 701 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: lot of points. I think is really having a great 702 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: A plus running back though A plus running back, So 703 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: I mean like you have to be able to beat 704 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: you with squad and I think, for instance in Dallas, 705 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott is going to allow them potentially to get 706 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: away with having some bees and sees on the outside 707 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: because he is going to be the guy that dictates 708 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: the numbers and change the equation for how the defense 709 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: is going to play. And I think it's all about 710 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: how you build your team. If you build your team 711 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: the right way, yes, you can't get away with that 712 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: because you've got some of the other places. I've got 713 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: an idea back there for our for our boys behind 714 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 1: the glass. Bounce this off your brainstorming real time, right, 715 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: this is a big project. I don't know if I 716 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: really wanted this because it'd be a lot of work, 717 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: But how fun would it be to take a take 718 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: a team to take a depth chart remove the names 719 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: and just put the letter grades like a blind day. 720 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: Don't need to know who the players are. Take the 721 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: players off of it, but just hey, this secondary is 722 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: a plus B, a C line boom and just build it. 723 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: And then just say, okay, if we eliminate the names 724 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: and just look at the this is the best team. 725 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: Look at look at how many that would be they've 726 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: got there, and then make sure you make a graphic 727 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: and you put it on Twitter and you put let 728 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: me get and then throw you guys under the bus Twitter. 729 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: We get all of those players handles and put grade 730 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: right and then we'll then two point out there you go, yeah, 731 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: there it is so but but and it's kind of 732 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: interesting in real time taking taking the listeners behind the 733 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: card and that's what we do and meeting we got 734 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: it because that's what we would do. That would be 735 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: a draft board system. Here it is. We call it 736 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: the the uh we call it them MTS grading system, 737 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: the MTS whatever. But the way we do that as 738 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: it provides shelter. So then when I get hit with critiques, 739 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, Lucky's the one that wanted that one. You 740 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: can hit what you throw me under the bus. I 741 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: don't care. We don't have We just make it kind 742 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: of an umbrella umbrella. But oh Sully, that wasn't me 743 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: and Buck, that was Sully giving that guy. Yeah yeah, 744 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: but in real time to take everyone there, when you 745 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: go into um, your personnel director's office, somewhere on there, 746 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: he has a depth chart, and that depth you have 747 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: color coded things. Um, some teams I've been around, Uh, 748 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: blue was the highest YEA. So we were talking about 749 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: blue blue player. So you were looking around Jonathan Ogden 750 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: would be a blue, but then some of the other 751 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: guys would be green, yellows and greens, and those guys 752 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: you weren't as good they would be red stars, and 753 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: so you were trying to eliminate some of the red 754 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: players or whatever. But that would be very, very similar 755 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: to the grades. We got an A plus over here, 756 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: he's the sea, how can we hide? How can we hide? 757 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: To C plus? And yeah, we always talked about from 758 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: a championship standpoint at Carolina, we always believe that you 759 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: have to have eight to ten A level players to 760 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: to consistently compete. So I think kind of falls along 761 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: with that would be fun little summer project. Summer project. 762 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: We teased it we teased in the last episode, you 763 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: just brought it up again here. Uh. This is something 764 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: I heard while listened to one of my favorite podcasts, 765 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: the Entree Leadership podcast is really really a good one 766 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: out there if you're if you're into that. So on 767 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: this podcast, they mentioned that you have to be able 768 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: to handle criticism in life and that, uh, in in 769 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: every criticism, you can probably find at least a kernel 770 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: of truth. Um that can you know, you can apply 771 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, maybe it wasn't presented in the nicest manner, 772 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: but there's something that was there's some truth in there 773 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: I can apply and maybe try and make some improvements. 774 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: And they mentioned that they threw out this this uh 775 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: talking about social media throughout this term flippantly and just said, 776 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: I guess you have to start between the truth and 777 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: the trolls. And I thought, that's it. Let's brilliant. Let's 778 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: dive into the comments. Let's go into these comments. It bucky, 779 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: there's no fear. There's no fear in this. I've been 780 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: been waiting so long a job, man, I love this pick. 781 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: I thought that was you live that? Yeah? Right, I 782 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: didn see. I got worried. I was like, did I 783 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: just say that. So didn't even It didn't really even match. 784 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: It didn't really match, but that was very close. I 785 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 1: love that drop. Drop. Go ahead, play my Padres drop. 786 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: I know you want to. Yeah, go ahead. I hate baseball. 787 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Padres suck. There you go. It's tough, big walk off 788 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: win though stow Yes, come on, pods. Fernando tattoos Junior 789 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: headed rough one at a double a San Antonio yesterday. 790 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: But he's been he's been turning it around. Um, do 791 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: we have a drop yet for truth or troll? Or 792 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: no drop yet? No drop yet ordered? If we'll see 793 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: how this goes first? Wow, this is a trial, all right, 794 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: let's do it well, fire and white. You guys gave 795 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: us a bunch of these I don't want to look 796 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: at He would call out the commenter's name. Uh, well, 797 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: we'll throw out their first name or their tudor hand. 798 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Why can't you can call them all the way out? 799 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: Give it to me. We'll decide. We'll both vote whether 800 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: or not there's some truth in it or whether it's 801 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: just a troll. Here's guy. This was from our Who's 802 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: stock who stock up and who stocked down? After the 803 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: combine video on YouTube. Guy says that dude go sick. 804 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: He's numbers are ridiculous. He looks like a faster, more 805 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: explosive Gronk out there. I don't know if he has 806 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: Gron's hands, though, truth or troll that is true with 807 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he is faster, more explosive than Gronk, and 808 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: his hands are not as good as Gronk. What did 809 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: he say? That was not true? I mean, I don't know. 810 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 1: I guess that was true. You went in the second 811 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: round the same place where Gronk with I don't know 812 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: exactly what Picky was, but Gronk was picked number fifty, 813 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess that's fine. I guess next. 814 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: All right, we'll move on to the next one. All right, Uh, 815 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: this one's gonna come from Javier. Which teams that missed 816 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: the playoffs? This came from our video which teams that 817 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: missed the playoffs can reach Super Bowl fifty three next season? 818 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: From Javier truth or troll bro The obvious answers, the 819 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: O n sixteen browns, the Journey to sixteen and O starts. 820 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: Now that's true. Oh he's trolling, and you know what, haavey, haavey, Javier, 821 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: I think Javier should should jump in the lake on 822 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: on Friday tomorrow with Hugh and the rest of seven 823 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: eight wins possible. I'm with you on that, Haavier, but 824 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: that not We're not on the super Bowler. That's that's 825 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: the troll comment here. It's all nice. I want something 826 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: nothing nasty, nothing. We were trying to keep it a 827 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: little little on here. Okay, give me something else. Okay, 828 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: So this is a two parter here, Uh, same video 829 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: though the Packers. He's questioning the Packers. Here's Matthew the 830 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: team that made the championship game in twenties sixteen and 831 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: have one of the best kibs ever and can only 832 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: get better on defense, that this list is stupid. The Cowboys, 833 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: they probably won't even make the playoffs. They still haven't 834 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: won a playoff game. Uh. He obviously doesn't park his 835 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: car in the same because obviously Bucky thinks Dak Prescott's 836 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: a plus plus plus plus quarterback. So what do you think? 837 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: Truth or troll? What are you thinking? Two parter Packers 838 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: thumbs up, Cowboys comes down. Well, I think we can 839 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: give the Packers and thumbs up. I think the big 840 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: question is their defense with Mike Pett and Kenny fixed him. 841 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: But anytime you have a and Rodgers coming back, that 842 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: gives him a chance. The Cowboys, the cowboys are in 843 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: like Flint. Well, you're calling your cowboys the cowboys. Yeah, 844 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: the troll. The Cowboys are in the cow because Ezekiel 845 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: elerg is gonna play. If he's gonna play, they're gonna 846 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: win eleven games at a minimum. All right, let's move 847 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 1: to the next. Give me a start getting little spicy. 848 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: Give it to me. This is from another YouTube video. 849 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: This is from our NFC and a f C Championship preview. 850 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: Who will make Super Bowl fifty two? Uh? Steph rights? 851 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: There are three things certain in life, death, taxes, and 852 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks picking against the Eagles. That's true. That is 853 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: not a troll. That is true. That is true. The 854 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: Eagles and the Titans. That is that is true. That 855 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: Steph step that stuff that was the video was the 856 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: Eagles first. Oh yeah, that was not trolling. That's a fact. 857 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure off the top of my head. But 858 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: step keeps Steph keeps receipts on you. Some of my 859 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: closest friends in there with the Eagles. Induce a lot 860 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: of those guys, those my guys, I didn't pick them. Okay, 861 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: I got I'm calling truth on that one. What's the 862 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: next one. Let's keep it. Let's rapid fire here. This 863 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: is off of a tape study that you did DJ 864 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter Love study and Drew Brees is tape three 865 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: things jump out? Uh, and then Kevin at Coach Kelly 866 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: one says he's the best keb and at NFL history 867 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: compared with the tools he has to use as far 868 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: as height, weight, arm, straight, etcetera. And of course Coach Kelly, 869 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: what do you think Coach Kelly in terms of the tools. 870 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,240 Speaker 1: I would say basically, what he's saying is nobody's gotten 871 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: more out of their ability level than Drew Brees. That's true. 872 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: This mighty chilly. That makes sense. By the way, the 873 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: comment underneath that is trolly Graham rights underneath it, Baker 874 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: will be better than Breeze. That's this whole one. Okay, 875 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: give me a couple more. Studying the Goat today, DJ 876 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: says Tom Brady's pocketing awareness movement. Jeff Goes, I thought 877 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: you said you were studying the goat with the picture 878 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: of Joe Montana. Oh see, I had long been in 879 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: the Montana camp but I thought Brady in Montana camp 880 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: because there's a time we had four super Bowls. Tom 881 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't there for it now. But but he was the 882 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: best player. Montana was the best player. Montana was better 883 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: than Jerry Rice. He was I on those teams. On 884 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: those teams, if you took Jerry Rice out versus well, 885 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: I guess they had Steve Young come in after after Joe. 886 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: You might have a point there, but I'm still I 887 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: had Brady. Brady is the goat. So I think that's 888 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: a troll. I love Montana, but I take you go 889 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: a little further down. Matt says, dang, got me there, 890 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: go ahead. It's kind of a little shot at you. 891 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: He goes, Dang, you mean to say Tom Brady has 892 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: pocket awareness. If that's not breaking news, I don't know 893 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: what it is. That nice. No, you know what I'm 894 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: gonna say. I'm gonna say truth on that. That's there's 895 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: some truth in there. Yeah, that's not breaking news. I 896 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: get your I get your attitude a little bit there, 897 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: Matt Kirby. But I'm okay with that. I like, hey, 898 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: we can take it. We got we're big boys here. 899 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: What's the next one? All right? Bucky tweeted, the Jets 900 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: made a wise play to pick up Teddy Bridgewater on 901 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: a cheap deal. The former first round pick has won 902 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 1: games as a starter in the league as a Volva 903 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,479 Speaker 1: option as a short term starter for New York uh. 904 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: And then Frank de Mello underscore. De Melo says New 905 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: York Jets and Wise are rarely uttered together. Truth or trull? Frank, 906 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: Well he got Buck. Frank to tank, Um, I guess 907 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 1: you could probably agree with that. They haven't made many 908 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: wise decisions. I guess you could agree with that. Give 909 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: me another one. Let's keep we got a couple more 910 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: here before Buck, He tweeted this to UH, congrats at 911 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas, great player and teammate. I'm glad I had 912 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: a chance to see his greatness up close and personal. 913 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: Hashtag Bills mafia uh and then one Pride wrote, who's 914 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas is comping today's game? I say, possibly David Johnson. 915 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,959 Speaker 1: Different body types, different bodies. I don't think that's a troll. 916 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: Though there's nothing means spirited there, I don't necessarily think 917 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: it's true. I don't think it's a troll. I think 918 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: it's none of the above, give me one more, I 919 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: think is I think it is DJ term five hits. 920 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: We have so many good ones left. Okay here, I'm 921 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: gonna go right to because that's give me one more. 922 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: This is underneath DJ's pull about our college football Trall, 923 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: by the way, smoked me on the results of that poll. 924 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah so uh well, yeah, so you had six I 925 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,439 Speaker 1: had seven percent. Bucky at dead luck if they killed 926 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: you on this poll, man, you went when you went hardball, D'Antonio, 927 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: you took a lot of heat for Tom Herman, just 928 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: saying you're a little bit early on that one, little 929 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: early on the top Herman train. I think you're little 930 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: early on Frost and Riley I got. But the people 931 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: out there that, yeah, they treated it your followers, that's 932 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: what it is. That's that's the troll. So uh, Mike 933 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: Bratton used to work here, sec. Mike said, my dude 934 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: at Sully Vall wins this one. I'm saying truth right 935 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 1: there in black and white ink. It's truth. I mean 936 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: so that we could have gone anywhere and got your 937 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: pick hold hold on like you just they've been Shaw Patterson, 938 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: Franklin mals On. That is that is proven. Wait wait 939 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: to shop at a brand name store. Yeah yeah, brand 940 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: name story. Hold up, hold hold, hold up. You're missing 941 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: the boat here, because we've got a print out of 942 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,959 Speaker 1: this tweet that you have in front of us. All right, buck, 943 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: So this is the line he just mentioned it, My dude, 944 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: Sully Vall wins this one. How many likes to that 945 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: comment too? Do you recognize any faces in the likes 946 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,479 Speaker 1: down there so that you can't like? Yo like that? Heck, 947 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: yo like that. That's my dude, one of two likes. 948 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: That's my dude, Mike. It can't it can't just be 949 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: Mike and you like in the comment. By the way, 950 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: I have ever seen you can't vote for yourself for 951 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: m v P. I've never seen this pure of Sully's. 952 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: His profile pick here is very buttoned up. I don't 953 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: even recognize who this person is, right, You need more authentic. 954 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: It's like that more authentic? Is it too nice? It's 955 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: a little buttoned up, it's a little bad. Yeah, it's 956 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 1: not there. One of yours. I haven't had headshots made. 957 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 1: That was just at a concert. Have you ever heard 958 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: of glamour shots? Kind is too young? It kind of 959 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: it's kind of like they put you little jacket. Yeah down, 960 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: I got another one for you, though. You can do 961 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: one more, one more, one more, alright, last one. This 962 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: one tweet from DJ enjoying a nice dinner with the 963 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks podcast crew celebrating our most downloaded month 964 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: and shows history out of this. Christian Anderson writes, watch 965 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: out for Sully ball. He may throw a seafood tower 966 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: on the bill without you knowing it. Oh oh, Sully, 967 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: there's what you do you do on the company dinner? 968 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: The company dinner, You've been known to get a little 969 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: take out that can you get as Mark Mark went 970 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: to the restaurant, Mark who was gonna have to pick 971 00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: up the tab on behalf of the company. He went 972 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: to the restroom and so he called the waiter over 973 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: three times. Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah to seafood scamping. 974 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 1: Just just hold it at the borrow. I'll pick it up, 975 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: pick it up on the way out. You're awful. There 976 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: was one underneath that I don't know if we want 977 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,919 Speaker 1: to mention it From Kelli Titan fan. He says, at 978 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: some guy named Dan has hands, this has who is that? 979 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: I don't know who that is? Uh. If you guys 980 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: put your head down and grind you can make a 981 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: little podcast. Congrats to you guys though, love the podcast. 982 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: But what was the name of the other guy as this, 983 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: I've never heard of that interesting. Oh well, anyways, wherever 984 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: that guy that was fun your comic character? Yeah, no, 985 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: I think he's he's just a guy's just a guy 986 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: fun podcasts, fun fun podcast fellas. I think we could 987 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: we could go ahead and order on a drop or 988 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: two for the for the check out the videos by 989 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: the way, because you're gonna need to see Bucky's absurd 990 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: take on this video. Might have to do with his 991 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: A plus plus plus quarterback that he was talking about today, man, 992 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: Dak Maybe, by the way, as we wrap up, we 993 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: need to get out here. I know we're running running late. 994 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: I feel like everybody on Twitter that we're the last 995 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: ones remaining that haven't um haven't got our passports to 996 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: uh Mahomesville. Yeah, I feel like every analyst has just 997 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: gone all in homes I mean it is I'm telling you, 998 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: Mahomesville is population like five million right now. It is 999 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: just continuing to burst the bandwagons large. I don't know. 1000 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: Maybe we're just maybe we're late. Maybe we'll apply for 1001 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: citizenship a little bit down the road here, but I 1002 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: just want to see that. I just want to see. 1003 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see more that sething wrong with that, just 1004 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: just like just like your Riley and Frost and Herman picks, 1005 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: I want to see more. I listen to Scoreboard. You 1006 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: don't think Sammy Watkins was a good pick up? Yeah? No, 1007 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: I like to shoot. Yeah, don't get me started there, 1008 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: don't get me there. All right, it's gonna do it 1009 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: for us. Uh, fun podcast today. Nice to have Michael 1010 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: Burger come back and join us talking some virtual reality. 1011 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: Uh talking to d Lyneman. Had fun talking about Bucky's 1012 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: notes about needing a wide receiver and the debut of 1013 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: truth or troll. Let us know. Let's know on on 1014 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: Twitter in the comments, which you think of that new 1015 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: addition here to the pod. We'll see we can sprinkle 1016 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: that one in. That's gonna do it for it today. 1017 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening, Thanks for downloading, Thanks to 1018 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 1: thanks for subscribing, and thank you for leaving us uh 1019 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: those reviews on Apple Podcasts. We do appreciate it and 1020 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: we'll catch you next time. Thanks for downloading. Move the 1021 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go 1022 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: to NFL dot com Slash Podcasts