WEBVTT - The Mandalorian and Grogu: Roundtable Discussion

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the Mandalorian and Grogu.

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<v Speaker 1>Be warned. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosie Knight.

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<v Speaker 1>I am welcome back to extur Vision of the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>News had Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, we'll be doing a spoiler filled deep

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<v Speaker 2>dive into The Mandalorian and Grogu, the first Star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>movie since twenty nineteen, and then we will bring in

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<v Speaker 2>some of our super producers for a roundtable discussion of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie, and I'm sure it will get delightfully heated.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get into it. The Mandalorian and Grogu,

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<v Speaker 1>the round table. Please, welcome to the program. Super producer Aaron,

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<v Speaker 1>Super producer Joelle.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you. I'm kind of excited to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>this film, a film I had zero expectations for, left

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<v Speaker 4>delighted with, and then came out with some very uh

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<v Speaker 4>what I imagine will be polarizing opinions about the direction

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<v Speaker 4>of Star Wars. I'm oh, I'm glad to hear what everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinks, let's first set the table.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, waitport commute.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like there's a lot of times when I

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<v Speaker 5>come in and I, uh, maybe have a little different

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<v Speaker 5>opinion of a movie than everyone else, and I've been

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<v Speaker 5>on the opposing side of things, and I came out

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<v Speaker 5>of this movie and I was like, I enjoyed this

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm worried no one else is going to and

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<v Speaker 5>so x ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Vision it's good. It's good and glassy of approval, guys

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<v Speaker 2>on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me set the table. The picture is set to

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<v Speaker 1>open memorially weekend. The projection look to be about eighty

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<v Speaker 1>plus million, that's per deadline. And just to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>set the stick, seventy four to ninety Slash Film says

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<v Speaker 1>ninety to one hundred box office pro Polymarket sets the

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<v Speaker 1>market at at thirty seven percent that it's below ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two million. So that's where the betting lines are. And

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<v Speaker 1>here are some important benchmarks. Solo is Star Wars story

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<v Speaker 1>open to one hundred and three on a four day weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The rise of Skywalker and Solo is Star Wars story

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<v Speaker 1>that was seen.

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<v Speaker 2>As the lowest three big end of the Star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>story spinoff ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>It was bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Rise of Skywalker won seventy seven point three, Rogue one

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<v Speaker 1>one fifty five, and just some other stuff. Mission Impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>Final Reckoning seventy nine million, seventy nine million, four Day

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<v Speaker 1>and Leelo and Stitch of one hundred and eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>Best Memorial Day ever. They get kind of the ceiling

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<v Speaker 1>and the floor. Oh okay, Mana Lloyd and Grog Joelle

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, what a fun ride. Remember when we found out

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<v Speaker 4>there was gonna be like a holked out sexy hot Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>we were gonna have at you guys, please. We found

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<v Speaker 4>that there's gonna be a sex hut in the movie,

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<v Speaker 4>and we were all very concerned. And then we found

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<v Speaker 4>out that the sex hu was being played by Jeremale

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<v Speaker 4>and White, and there were lots of questions. And I

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<v Speaker 4>have to say, at the end of the day, Big

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<v Speaker 4>Brother sex Hi, Wow, really nailed it. Really for the

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<v Speaker 4>monster girlies, y'all, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>The hot fine, she loves Listen.

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<v Speaker 4>I here's why I like her. Out of the Hut.

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<v Speaker 4>I have multiple thoughts about this one. I does this

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<v Speaker 4>not flesh out job of the Hut as a character?

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<v Speaker 4>A little bit for you, and isn't that an amazing thing?

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<v Speaker 4>I agree these additional Star Wars stories can do for us.

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<v Speaker 4>Is like fill in Backhan and love that too. If

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<v Speaker 4>there's anything Grogunes, it's that big brother energy. Okay, here's

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<v Speaker 4>a little guy taken on full blown missions. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 4>guy him in armor, he's a child soldier. For the

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<v Speaker 4>love of God, it's not great out here. Here's a

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<v Speaker 4>guy who's just like, nah, kid, you can sleep and

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<v Speaker 4>snack and be a kid. That's amazing. I love that

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<v Speaker 4>for Grogu.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the limitations of Rada make him a really

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<v Speaker 4>interesting character because he's a big CGI character. He stays

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<v Speaker 4>behind a lot and acts as like an anchor as

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<v Speaker 4>a big D and D player. I like when there's

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<v Speaker 4>like a sort of formulated strategy role for every fighter

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<v Speaker 4>in your party and the fact that Rada is your

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<v Speaker 4>anchor and just holding down the foregat. That really worked

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<v Speaker 4>for me. At first time he's like, oh no, he's

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<v Speaker 4>not able to do much. And when he's fighting in

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<v Speaker 4>the pigaddamn, that was thrilling. I think Rada works as

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<v Speaker 4>both a lure further into the story and for possible

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<v Speaker 4>futures of like where the story could go. When we

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<v Speaker 4>go get back into our animated bag, you'll be able

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<v Speaker 4>to do a lot more with Rada, So I found

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<v Speaker 4>him interesting overall. You know, I really enjoyed this movie.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was fun. I'll get into it more

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<v Speaker 4>a little later, but I think the be a step

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<v Speaker 4>of this do I mean, you know, back in the day,

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<v Speaker 4>you have your A film play, then you have your

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<v Speaker 4>B film play. Your A film is what brought people

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<v Speaker 4>in your B film maybe say around it's kind of horror.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of Star Wars is based on sort of

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<v Speaker 4>these like be campier films, and I think that this

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<v Speaker 4>movie plays into those tropes quite well, and I had

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of fun watching.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So recently, for the first time ever, the truly original

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<v Speaker 2>theatrical cart of Star Wars has been shown right at

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<v Speaker 2>the BFI, and people said they were pretty blown away

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<v Speaker 2>by just how minimal the effects are and how jang

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<v Speaker 2>it looks in hindsight, because it was originally a low

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<v Speaker 2>budget movie that was then you know, reevaluated because it

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<v Speaker 2>was such a huge hit and it was just spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to people. So I think in that way as well,

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<v Speaker 2>like remembering that not like not every Star Wars piece

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<v Speaker 2>is like a generation movie, is a generational, life changing masterpiece,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as we might want it to be. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Wh're you know, ten movies deep, and I think we

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<v Speaker 2>can say that they're a bit more inconsistent. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the b movie of it all is what I enjoyed too, Aaron,

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<v Speaker 2>what about you.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that the movie starts off and I was

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<v Speaker 5>thrilled to see that everything we'd seen clip wise it

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<v Speaker 5>felt like it had come from those first fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 5>and it was like, Okay, it's very surprising, bigger movie

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<v Speaker 5>than I was expecting. I think I had low expectations

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<v Speaker 5>going in, and it definitely unlocked a lot beyond what

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<v Speaker 5>I was expecting. I think there were some things that

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<v Speaker 5>felt too foloniesque and that he's just he can't help

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<v Speaker 5>but reference the past and be so tied to the

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<v Speaker 5>past of Star Wars, and that was some of the

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<v Speaker 5>stuff that I disliked the most. But for me, the

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<v Speaker 5>big winner and the thing that I'll talk about later

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<v Speaker 5>for sure, the score of this movie was incredible to

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<v Speaker 5>like the Gang, this is I think his greatest score ever,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I wow, yes, and like we can talk about

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<v Speaker 5>it later more. But I think that adds like if

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<v Speaker 5>we're rating this out of ten, that gives it an

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<v Speaker 5>additional one to one and a half stars for me

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<v Speaker 5>because of how amazing this.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it is like a vangelist doing Blade

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<v Speaker 2>Runner level score, Like there are moments when they are

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<v Speaker 2>in these futuristic cities and you hear the soundscapes that

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<v Speaker 2>Ludwig creates and you are just like, wait, I'm watching

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<v Speaker 2>like history, Like I'm watching a moment that people will remember.

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<v Speaker 3>It is really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree with you with that. I need to

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<v Speaker 1>process if I agree with his best score ever, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will say it's eighties in the best way, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And you can feel these like homages to different like

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<v Speaker 1>horror and sci fi and action movies within it, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time it's like not derivative, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>So he must have had a blast writing this. Just

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<v Speaker 5>listening to every line he's writing, it really is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think you could. I think the Black

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<v Speaker 2>Panther score is like so legendary. I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>like hard for me to compare it. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, I do think that at multiple times throughout this,

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<v Speaker 2>me and Ian and even me and my younger nephew

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<v Speaker 2>who was there. We looked at each other and we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Ludwig. Like it was standing out in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that John Williams stands out or Han Zima

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<v Speaker 2>stands out. It did feel like you were listening to

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<v Speaker 2>even if you don't like the movie. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anyone's gonna say the score isn't incredible, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, And like he took a lot of risks

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<v Speaker 5>that I was worried about. When certain pieces started, I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, Oh, is this is he really? And then

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<v Speaker 5>I've settled into it and I was like, Wow, the

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<v Speaker 5>way he's incorporating the theme into this, the way he's

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<v Speaker 5>incorporating three notes from the.

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<v Speaker 3>Theme into this.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think the score just that that has

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<v Speaker 5>more than any other movie I've seen in the last

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<v Speaker 5>few years. The score just blew me away on first watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I can I push back slightly on I think

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<v Speaker 1>the score is amazing. Yeah, I do think as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a film score buff I do believe that there

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<v Speaker 1>is like a sweet spot where if you notice the score,

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<v Speaker 1>it's either too good or terrible. Okay, true, And I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that I think that this this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those scores that like elevates the movie in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that like, uh, you know Morricone's Untouchables, Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like that elevates that movie. John coppinha it almost makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like the score is a little too good

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<v Speaker 1>for the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I think that it's a mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty verse forty percent. Yes, I was just saying exactly

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<v Speaker 1>versus forty, Like the movie is not at the level

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<v Speaker 1>of the score, but it's a good movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be like fifty two. The score is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, this is nit picking.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good movie, but no, no, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you actually touched on something really special here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what else I think is about the soundtrack

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd be interested to know if you guys agree

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<v Speaker 2>with I kind of feel like, you know, Ludwig has

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<v Speaker 2>done so many incredible movies and they are some of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest movies in the world. So it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>he's unknown, right, but he is known for kind of

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<v Speaker 2>experimental stuff. He's known for working with Ryan Coogler. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what he's best known for. This does feel like essentially

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<v Speaker 2>a portfolio work for him, because you get these like

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<v Speaker 2>incredible synthy eighties, like you could be working on a

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<v Speaker 2>blade run a TV show, you could be doing afrofuturism,

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<v Speaker 2>you could be doing dystopia. But then also, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is something we haven't really touched on that I think

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<v Speaker 2>is part of why I love the movie, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think why a lot of us enjoyed it, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the practical stuff. When he starts doing the Grogu's doing

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<v Speaker 2>magic in the forest and you haven't seen a human

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<v Speaker 2>for ten minutes, He's doing like John William's fucking level magical,

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<v Speaker 2>classical composing that makes you feel like you are watching

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Crystal, like you are watching Legend or Willow for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time. So I think, like the absolute range

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<v Speaker 2>that he shows here, it also does probably explain why

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<v Speaker 2>for some people the movie feels a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of tones, because as you we're.

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<v Speaker 5>Describing a lot of tones, I was gonna say, like,

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<v Speaker 5>let's give the movie a little bit trouble that his

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<v Speaker 5>score is able to do all those things, because the

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<v Speaker 5>movie does hit a lot of different moments. You have

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<v Speaker 5>for a movie where I feel like, frankly, I only

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<v Speaker 5>cared about three characters to have so many different vibes

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<v Speaker 5>throughout works. It well three if you count all the

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<v Speaker 5>Bible fricks.

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<v Speaker 2>As well well Vanza yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, obviously, Okay, let's let's sorry, go ahead, eron no no, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So it just hits so many different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about our three favorite things from the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Any three favorite things, Rosie, Let's start with you. What

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<v Speaker 1>are your three favorite things about this movie?

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<v Speaker 2>The baby? Obviously, baby, the baby. You know what, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a great tweet that everyone's been sharing, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>the video of the baby on the red carpet and

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<v Speaker 2>a guy sorry to this man that I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>his handle, but he says, he's like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. Man, I should be sick of him,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's still got it. And that's how I feel

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<v Speaker 2>about the baby. Like, but they created something so enchanting,

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<v Speaker 2>with so much personality, and it is showcased at all

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<v Speaker 2>times in this This is not your you know, even

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<v Speaker 2>though I was a kid when I saw this, so

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was pretty cool. But this is not

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<v Speaker 2>like Yoda doing backflips with a lightsaber. Everyone's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, why did you do that with the character.

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<v Speaker 2>We worried it was gonna be a bit like suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>the baby has to drive a car, he's going crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's very much an understanding of exactly what makes

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<v Speaker 2>the character lovable. Like this movie has some crazy action

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<v Speaker 2>sequences that my nephew sitting next to me said, the

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<v Speaker 2>man Laurian might be the most badass mother. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>swear because he's a good boy in the world. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know what his favorite scene was. His favorite scene

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<v Speaker 2>was the scene where baby Yoda armors up and is

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<v Speaker 2>like putting on their own Like even a twelve year old,

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<v Speaker 2>even a kid who's going into puberty, who does love

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<v Speaker 2>the shooting, who does love the nineties action vibes, the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that moves them is this creature because it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like you're seeing something that you couldn't see in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it, but it feels real, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the magic of cinema. So definitely that the Anzaliens.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all the sequences where it's just puppetry, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is a five star movie here that

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<v Speaker 2>could be seen as like a Dark Crystal level success.

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<v Speaker 2>I also will recognize Dark Crystal is a huge financial

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<v Speaker 2>flop at the time. We've never had a big puppeteering

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<v Speaker 2>movie that's really made a lot of money like that

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't also heavily cgi like Jurassic Park, but like

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<v Speaker 2>it is so magical and like there are those moments

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<v Speaker 2>in the forest where the baby's sitting and he's meditating

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<v Speaker 2>and the Anzalians are talking. There were like full throated,

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<v Speaker 2>whole movie theater laughs, like but not like, oh it's

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<v Speaker 2>a quippy Josh Whedon thing you're meant to laugh at.

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<v Speaker 2>Just people literally like unable to contain their laughter because

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<v Speaker 2>the performance with the puppets is so funny and so lifelike.

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<v Speaker 2>That stuff, to me is what elevated this movie to

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<v Speaker 2>where I think it's worth all of us having a

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<v Speaker 2>round table talking about where we like it because everyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, other people don't like it. And a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times I'll be like, well, maybe it's just not

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<v Speaker 2>for me, but I think that is truly magic in

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<v Speaker 2>those scenes. So yeah, all the practical stuff. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, Pedro Pascal, he's still great in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>He reminds you why you love him. Him and the

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<v Speaker 2>baby have absolutely great chemistry. They keep the dad stuff

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<v Speaker 2>just enough on the side where you want a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more of it, like it's cute. They don't overplay it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think even though rot of the Hut

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<v Speaker 2>was not particularly for me, I think again, Pedro really

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<v Speaker 2>his emotional side came out to look off the Rota,

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<v Speaker 2>and I loved, like even I loved the moment where

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<v Speaker 2>he said to the baby, go get Rotta, like, go

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<v Speaker 2>save him. I love a found family, you know, so,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think really it's I could Pedro be the

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<v Speaker 2>one human I would allow in this movie if I

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<v Speaker 2>did my version, which is just all puppets. But I

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<v Speaker 2>actually don't think you need any humans. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Filoni wants to make a puppet movie and we.

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<v Speaker 4>Should let him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he won't put himself in it three times

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<v Speaker 2>because he won't be a poonty, because he he'll make

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<v Speaker 2>himself a puppet.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll wear the hat too.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, Joelle, your your top three favorite things?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, piggybacking off of the baby, the babies. We got

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<v Speaker 4>a hot baby who was super cute. Who if you

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<v Speaker 4>watch Clothes Doors, you've seen Runda before when he was

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<v Speaker 4>a little baby. You know, he made me get a

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<v Speaker 4>Rodian baby, which is a Gredo's species. At one point

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<v Speaker 4>in the show so cute. Please continue to make more

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<v Speaker 4>alien babies and put them in movies for me to

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<v Speaker 4>be like, oh my god, they're so cute. Really genuinely

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<v Speaker 4>had a good time with all of the creature work.

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<v Speaker 4>To expand out from there. I think my favorite was

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<v Speaker 4>the swamp gator alien who I'm sorry I don't be

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<v Speaker 4>able to find. Yeah, yeah, what species he is? But

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<v Speaker 4>I thought like, he's just really fun. I love a

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<v Speaker 4>bayou moment. It doesn't matter like sci fi actually in

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<v Speaker 4>w Orleans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just catfish guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He kind of absolutely yeah. I thought he was divine,

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<v Speaker 4>just just from a creature work, design aesthetic like, I

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<v Speaker 4>thought he was an excellent character. Add on and three,

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<v Speaker 4>I really liked when Mando was knocked out and we

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<v Speaker 4>get suspended so much time with Grogu just navigating the

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<v Speaker 4>world like we see our boys growing up. He could

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<v Speaker 4>create a shelter. He doesn't have good depth yet. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>he's figuring it out. There were some knocks on the head,

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<v Speaker 4>but he tried. I love that he like disobeyed orders

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<v Speaker 4>to stay behind. He's like, absolutely not. We are a

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<v Speaker 4>family unit. You could try to sacrifice yourself I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna let you. I just thought that whole sequence of

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<v Speaker 4>him surviving protecting Mando as far as like, what is

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<v Speaker 4>this movie doing for this portion of the franchise?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, I was really nervous when they were like those

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<v Speaker 4>are gonna be TV series and then we smashed it

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<v Speaker 4>into a movie. I was like, Oh, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be a mess, or it'll feel too much like a

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<v Speaker 4>TV show. They're just trying to project in a movie theater.

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<v Speaker 4>But actually, for my money, and I know not everyone agrees,

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<v Speaker 4>but I thought this was like a really great arc

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<v Speaker 4>for these two characters. It was simple but clean, and

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<v Speaker 4>what it really reinforces is like, not only are these

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<v Speaker 4>guys like family and together, but like Grogu's growing up

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<v Speaker 4>into a Mandalorian and it's like a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>thing to watch, I think, because there's still this anticipation

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<v Speaker 4>of he's so connected to Yoda, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>he became more Grogu and like just Grogo.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't use the falsest much, so is he richly

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<v Speaker 1>like growing up when we say growing up, So like

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred two hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>Time I thought he was gonna speak, I thought he'd

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<v Speaker 4>a word in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>He had said that too. We thought he was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>maybe and.

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<v Speaker 4>It was giving Like Yoda in his most like meditating space,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, will he'd be meditating in the

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<v Speaker 4>swamp and like finally start to speak. I'm okay that

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't. I do think one hundred and fifty issues

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<v Speaker 4>when we'll start to see you, like, you know, if

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna be like doing human years like a ten

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<v Speaker 4>or eleven year old Grogu who can like speak and

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<v Speaker 4>have his own thoughts and all of this stuff. But uh,

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<v Speaker 4>his growth here was delightful. I think he's coaching toddler

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<v Speaker 4>stage and it's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yoda was like eight hundred nine hundred, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>are yours?

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<v Speaker 3>Again?

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<v Speaker 4>So say the babies, I would say the creature work,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I would say the just the entire sequence

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<v Speaker 4>of grom Aaron.

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<v Speaker 3>The score number one, number two. I loved the continuation and.

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<v Speaker 5>Evolution of Mando and Grogu's storyline and their growth. I

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely lost it at I'm gonna I'm like gonna lose

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<v Speaker 5>it saying it again at the young or the old

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<v Speaker 5>take care of the young, and then the young take

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<v Speaker 5>care of the old. I thought that was the best

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<v Speaker 5>like use of this is the way in a in

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<v Speaker 5>a new element that we haven't seen in previous you know,

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<v Speaker 5>iterations of that phrase. So that was you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>got some fun stuff like Joel was mentioning with Grogu

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<v Speaker 5>hidding his head like over and over again. Then we

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<v Speaker 5>got like the incredibly sweet him like getting in under

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<v Speaker 5>his arm to fall asleep kind of thing. So like,

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<v Speaker 5>I loved that whole section and that segment, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think that I felt like a lot of this move that.

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<v Speaker 5>My third thing is that this movie wasn't too goofy

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<v Speaker 5>and silly while still being what I would say is

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<v Speaker 5>a kid's movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we we didn't have three or four jokes about

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<v Speaker 3>Grogu wanting to eat something.

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<v Speaker 5>We got two and like or maybe it was three,

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<v Speaker 5>but it didn't feel like there were too many of

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<v Speaker 5>those jokes, like any.

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<v Speaker 4>Fart jokes or anything like that. Yeah, that's a really

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<v Speaker 4>good point. It does stay pretty grounded.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Rota, he's not traditional like usually that could have

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<v Speaker 2>been a comedic side character with thoughting and aha and

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<v Speaker 2>he's so dumb, but instead they went for like emo

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<v Speaker 2>side character, which I just am so intrigued by still

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<v Speaker 2>to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>Intrigued is interesting word. Yeah, so that would be my

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<v Speaker 3>third one. Yeah, what about you, Jason, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 3>with in no order.

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<v Speaker 1>First, the decision to split up the spoiler spoiler spoilers player.

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<v Speaker 1>The decision to split up Mando and Grogu arcs correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it it showed that, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, these characters are not gonna be together forever

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<v Speaker 1>this you know, Grogu's for another eight hundred plus years.

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<v Speaker 1>And it shows that even in at baby level, you

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<v Speaker 1>can have these characters do different things. They don't always

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<v Speaker 1>have to be together. And I was a little like

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<v Speaker 1>worried about that. And you know, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of criticism about this movie, but it's like, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is it. It's a it's a three episode arc, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's the what are we learning that's new? Not really

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<v Speaker 1>that much. I think the one thing that's really subtly

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<v Speaker 1>the most important is that, like, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>have these characters together all the time. You can go

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<v Speaker 1>have Grogu do adventures on their own without without Mando

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<v Speaker 1>kind of looming. Next, I will say I did, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the I thought the I thought the Enzellones

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<v Speaker 1>were great, like this is so too, you know, very

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<v Speaker 1>adjacent to grow. But like all of their stuff together

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<v Speaker 1>was fun. All of them riding around together was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>In the tiny ship that wouldn't fit, it's such a

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<v Speaker 2>sight gag. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the practicalness of it was the right amount

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<v Speaker 1>of rough verse polished, you know, like there was like

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<v Speaker 1>an almost fraggle rock.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it was vibe in a good in a good way.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it wasn't graverly smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't it's not like you see the seams in

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<v Speaker 1>the puppet. But you also feel like there's a tactile

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<v Speaker 1>on this and a kind of homemadeeness to.

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<v Speaker 4>It that was just.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I gotta say, I like.

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<v Speaker 2>Roda was fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoyed Rada.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed, I enjoyed, I enjoyed buff Ratta. I thought, like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's another character that like we're gonna you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>like a future good guy in the universe or great

0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>guy or something. Rada against his like family legacy of

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<v Speaker 1>like gangsters, or is he going to be like a

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<v Speaker 1>new republic something. What is Rada's like future arc is

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<v Speaker 1>really fascinating to me.

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<v Speaker 4>He was very fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the action scenes were with him were so

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<v Speaker 1>much more than I was expected.

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<v Speaker 2>True, that's true, and.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's primate.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the three reasons honestly why this movie worked

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all of those things I do want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I look what I'm an emo kid. I love Emo,

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I love the concept. I love both of what you

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.920
<v Speaker 2>enjoy Ela saying. But there were moments and it where

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<v Speaker 2>for me the writing was like so on the nose

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.920
<v Speaker 2>that I was like, Okay, it does feel a little

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.119
<v Speaker 2>bit like an SNL sketch, like they pushed it a

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 2>little bit that way. But I think also for kids,

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.360
<v Speaker 2>like they like that character, like I'm not a us

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<v Speaker 2>to putting like a cool cgi muscles.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Filonian Favreau, you know what I mean? Like this

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>is not like it's not fucking uh David mammontt and

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Scorsese out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah it was.

0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 1>It was exactly what I expected. And and honestly, shouts

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:25.119
<v Speaker 1>to the performers. Brought so much pathos two to your

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 1>point and performance emotion to dialogue that's like okay, you know,

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.639
<v Speaker 1>like it's not like you're ever like whoa, you know,

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>like there was the one line, which was they nailed that,

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and they had to nail that the young take care

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of the old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's your big like emotional you had, you had

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>to nail that one. I do it was it was

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 2>just one scene, so I don't I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>use it as a whole thing, but I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to do a big shout out now Jason did uh

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, accuse me maybe of a Max Max sing

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 2>because I was like five. I was like, I rose

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 2>away from the cinema screen and it was a trimax.

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 2>But I do want to shout out. I know. There

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of critiques about how this would look

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 2>just like the TV show, but there were a couple

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 2>of moments, especially the opening sequence where the attap falls

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.360
<v Speaker 2>down the side of the cliff. Yeah, me and Isaiah

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 2>and Ian like we felt like we got wobbly knees.

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 2>It was like we felt that we were gonna tip

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.680
<v Speaker 2>forward like that. To me, there were a couple of

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 2>those moments that really argued for what the scope of

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.360
<v Speaker 2>a Star Wars movie can be again in a way

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 2>we haven't seen for a while. Ironically made me think

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>of Solo in the opening train heist scene, so it's

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 2>just like, I think that is actually a lot of

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>what I've missed is like it's been incredible to see

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 2>the quality of a Bryce Dallas Howard Mandalorian episode, but

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 2>it is incredible to see a two story tall at

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 2>ap fall in front of you and take like a

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 2>bunch of other vehicles with it. There's scope there that

0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that I think was made it worthwhile.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, he's the magic of Jon Favreau. And we must

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<v Speaker 4>now pause here to talk about this man as a director,

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 4>because I really feel like as much as this is

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 4>clearly Dave Filoni's baby and he's put a lot of

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 4>stuff into it, I think what really sells this movie

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 4>if you think back on John's filmography, you know, I

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.679
<v Speaker 4>think particularly Elf kind of stood out as a complex

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 4>and this is like an Elf met iron Man, right,

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Like you're having incredible action sequences, but it's also so

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 4>charming and warm, but then you're in.

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 2>The physical comedy, very hilly. Yeah, also scary at times

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>because there has to be steaks.

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 4>It's almost really Stillbergian like, it's almost.

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 2>That's definitely moments of amy at.

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 4>Moments, and I just to me, I always feel like

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm missing those moments when I'm in a movie house nowadays,

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 4>I love a good explosion. Don't get me wrong. I

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 4>love heavy drama. I think we have all of that

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 4>in spades. But the amber glow warmth of a good, whimsical,

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 4>all ages movie, it's rare and difficult to find even,

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, if I think about like the action Mowana,

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 4>you know, a fine movie, but not doesn't leave you

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 4>with like the warm and tingly. It's like, after this,

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I must go another. Yeah, yes, speak

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 4>for yourself there, but yeah, that's right. It's for many people.

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>No beef, no beef, I know, I know what you mean, Like,

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 2>this is the kind of movie that even and I

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 2>was this person. I have almost a full size BB

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>eight still in my house, so I have been targeted before,

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, but like I, I have not been that

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 2>person for a while. Especially working in the industry, it's

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 2>easy to get kind of disillusioned and cynical about these corporations.

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>I definitely left thinking like I need a fucking babyyod

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>in my house, Like I need that shit in my house. Yeah,

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and it will make me happy to see him and

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 2>to think about how brave he is and how strong

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 2>he is and how he's so sassy and he just

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 2>does his best times. I do have to ask you

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 2>guys the questions. Yes, did the end of the movie

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>is that the New Republic committing like a genocide on

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>the Hats because they do like destroy the entirety of

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Nallah conversation character. I just need to know, I say,

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:19.159
<v Speaker 2>to know, I seed to know.

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 4>I just want I'm like, I'm like, is that because

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 4>they are a crime syndicate and I would like a race.

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>It's more like just that specific family.

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what they're just taking out of crime syndicate.

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 4>And that's okay, let's take a break.

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>And then we'll be back with more and to learn

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>group obversations.

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're back. So we love the movie like to Love.

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I would say I'm between like and love with a

0:28:57.560 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>with a lean, heavy lean towards love.

0:28:59.640 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's a fun time. It's a movie that this

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>is a movie that if we were in the cable

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>era when I was a kid, this movie would be

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>on one of the cable channel TVT this is fifty

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>times a week, and you would you would just watch

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it whenever you happen to see.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>If you are a parent, you will be watching this

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 2>movie a lot on Disney Plus. I mean, I knew

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 2>instantly when they entered the forest that that sequence of

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Grogu and the Azaliens, that like twenty five minute sequence

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be like a new thought picking up I

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>mean Captain America picking up thoughts hammer like a scene

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I just put on when I want to hype myself

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 2>up for twenty minutes, like I will watch that when

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I want to feel whimsical or make that feeling of

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>willow or or space or like imagination, feeling that like

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>little feeling you get of like oh, anything's possible. Like

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>that is cinema magic. Like I wish it could have

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 2>been through the whole movie, but I feel lucky we

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>get even a little of it, because a lot of

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>movies just don't have that nowadays.

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about I would like to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Dave Filoni appearances.

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Of course you do.

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Come on, let's start off.

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<v Speaker 1>What percentage too much do you think it was? I'm

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it was.

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it's two thirds.

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it was at fifty to sixty percent too

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>much Dave Filoni in this movie on camera.

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying too how much I'm gonna go eighty percent

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 4>too much. Here's the thing, here's why, here's why, and

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 4>it's not it's not a hate thing. I was talking

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 4>about it this Morning's Dave Saloni. And again with full

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 4>third of respect, because what you've done for Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, yes, I so because I say we tattooed

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<v Speaker 4>I you are not a performer. You're not an actor.

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 2>You're not.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 4>That's a real craft that takes a lot of effort

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 4>to do, and you are just you're still in the

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 4>early stages of your directing career, like live action directing.

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 4>You're a great writer, you have deep IP knowledge. I

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 4>think you are good for Star Wars, genuinely. I don't

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 4>think that David is a performer. And I think when

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 4>you have an assassin Joid, who's going to be playing,

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, not the most significant role, but pretty important

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:14.479
<v Speaker 4>role throughout the film, hire an actor to do the stuff.

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Let that that is a cool, freaking character who looks amazing,

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 4>is having fun. You at the bar with your hat

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 4>on is perly respect?

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 3>No, No, it's not.

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 4>Watch Karen, wherever you go, keep going. I just don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking these role specific cameos I think the issue is

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>also Aaron like tell me if you agree, but like

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>also like it's not the percentage feels higher because the

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>they are very obvious cameos.

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 5>Yes, there's also only like eight human faces in the

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 5>entire movie. He's like three of them, which is just

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 5>like kind of weird. I mean, the hat is so

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 5>iconically him that it just stood out even I mean

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 5>that was like I just shook my head when that

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 5>he came back in the end.

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Yes, what are we doing?

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>My big issue with that one too, It's like that

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 2>was a close up. It feels it's whole based on

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the ie.

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like if Figy was in a Marvel movie with

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the blank baseball hat, you gotta give me at least

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>an attempt to be visually a different.

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait, Avon, you might you might be too young

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 2>to get this reference, so don't worry if you are.

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>But Jason and Joel, how upset do you think, Robert

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:37.959
<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez is that Dave Filoni became the more famous cowboy

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>hat wera because honestly, it really hasn't taken over, like

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>he's taking it over.

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not even a cowboy hat. First of all,

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>it's more like a safari hat like it's it's more

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>like a like crocodile hunter crocodile kind of Yes, that's.

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 4>What it speaks to.

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>More to me and who I agree with Joelle. It's

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>here's my line, and my line is I have several

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>lines that I feel like mister David crossed. The first

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>is and I said it a little bit in our

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you can only play one character in your movie individual,

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you can't play two? Yeah, too much, okay, because first

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of all, as you I'll mentioned, first of all, you

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>are taking a role away from a working actor.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Like a literally actor who could get paid two.

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Now you are taking two roles away from two working actors.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 4>And and the fact that.

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>It's both a voice acting and a live action roles

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>is kind of It's just kind of crazy. And and

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>while it did not impact my enjoyment of the film,

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I did find myself like when he comes back at

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the end, I was like a little embarrassed for him.

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I rolled my eyes when he showed off as the pilot.

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 4>It's a little soon now, it's too much.

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Just be excited to see Sigourney weave a fly an

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 2>X wing without seeing your face signature on it that

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>huge Aaron how much?

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>What percentage?

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:23.399
<v Speaker 3>Too much?

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Dave Filoni in this movie?

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:26.879
<v Speaker 3>Was it for you? I mean I didn't need any

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 3>of him he worked on the movie behind the scenes,

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 3>than I didn't need.

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.399
<v Speaker 1>His vision, and I can see that I didn't either,

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>But like I appreciate because of what he's done for

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>this I and these characters, like, sure, you know you're

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna take a liberty, that's fine, but like, did I

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>need him? No?

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 4>I didn't need.

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to formulate a thought and I don't know

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 5>if I truly agree with this, but I think about

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.919
<v Speaker 5>like stan Lee. Whenever stan Lee was in a Marvel movie,

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 5>he was a joke. He was there quickly, he was

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 5>there for comedic relieve and we move on. He never

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 5>Stanley was never trying to be cool in his cameos,

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.280
<v Speaker 5>and I feel like Dave is trying to be cool.

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now these characters talking about let's talk about it.

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Jason saying one of.

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Dave's characters is a six foot six like cool looking

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>brownie hunter.

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 3>With trying to be kung loud with the hat, trying

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 3>to be kung loud.

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.919
<v Speaker 1>With the hat, and then the second Dame Filoni live

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>action character is named what is a trapper trapper wolf

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and is and is wearing the cool guy hat and.

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Is a stone ass name. Man, come on, you can

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>make like the cool that's illegal.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 4>I just think it's too much.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>It's just sorry, Okay, I agree with you, Erin. I

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>think that there's an I think there's an attempt to

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>be cool that makes this more cringe worthy than even

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 1>it would be Joelle, sorry you no, no.

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 4>No, You're speaking truth to power and we need to

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 4>hear it. I listen. So after walking out of this movie,

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 4>I was buzzing. I was having a good time with

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 4>cha hating my friends. I was like, this feels strangely

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 4>like a return to form for Star Wars. I mentioned

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 4>to the top of this feels like we're getting back

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 4>to the og kind of like original trilogy Star Wars.

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>With realization, B movie, silly space.

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Accessible to everybody, like kills are like mostly against creatures, Like.

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're homework, Isaiah had no homework.

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 4>You do not need to know anything going in. All

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 4>of that is really great. And you know, coming off Mall,

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 4>which I was not a fan of. But again, I

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 4>think it's okay because I think Star Wars is for

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 4>the kids. That's where I'm at, guys, and I think

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 4>Dave Felony understands.

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>That and act so they're gonna be more open to it.

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 4>Did enjoy Mall it hit with them? I think this

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 4>is going to hit with them. So usually take your

0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 4>kids this weekend if you guys have time and you

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.359
<v Speaker 4>know a theater that's accessible to you. It's just such

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 4>a good time. And I think the Ryan Gossling vehicle

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 4>coming up is going to solidify like what the direction

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 4>is we're going with Star Wars. I'm hoping that's still

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 4>all ages accessible, but a little more mature than.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.720
<v Speaker 2>What we got kid here, So fingers crossed.

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:22.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like buying that balance is going to be really important.

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 4>But I think Dave Filoni might be good for Star Wars, guys,

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 4>And I mean that beyond you know, I know it's

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 4>been a rough transition from the animated to the live action.

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 4>There's a learning curve there. He did not come from

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 4>live action. That's a really hard weap to make. But

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 4>when we get down to like brass tacks of like

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:39.879
<v Speaker 4>what is Star Wars? What makes Star Wars good? Where

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 4>does it hit? How do we keep it going long,

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.280
<v Speaker 4>Jefty wise, this is a guy who cares so deeply,

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 4>not just about his own creations, but about like the

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 4>deep lore of this series. You know, I think, like

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 4>I was saying earlier, like Rada is not a new character.

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 4>Rada comes from the Clone Wars. So like, I just think,

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 4>if you're the kind of person who always like deep

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 4>lore and connecting. In other words, a Star Wars fan,

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.879
<v Speaker 4>Day's gonna keep that going for you. And it makes

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 4>me excited. I think he figured it out and with

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 4>John Favreau at his side, sort of helped smooth over

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 4>the like live action situation. My heart hopes they have it.

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 4>I think they got it.

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I also do want to say I think that some

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.439
<v Speaker 2>of I think another reason to go check this movie

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 2>out is I think some of the critiques that even

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 2>we had about how the movie and the TV show

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 2>look really similar. After watching the Lanterns trailer today, I

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 2>realized that this actually might be a recurring issue where

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 2>these studios are putting so much money into these TV

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>shows that the TV shows are looking equivalent to what

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>we would see in a cinema, but it's not the

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 2>same experience, And then that makes people feel like the

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 2>cinema experience is being cheaper, and that is why I'm

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.759
<v Speaker 2>starting to wonder, because actually there is stuff in here

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 2>that looks great in the cinema, but it is arguably

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 2>very similar to what we see on TV, right And

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I saw with the Lanterns trailer there was stuff in

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>there where I was like that shit looks like the

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 2>c doa Man like and it's but I can see

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>it's also expensive, but it also looks just as good

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 2>as Superman. So it's like, how do you work this?

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 2>It's the thing of wanting to raise TV to the

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>quality of film, but not necessarily understanding if that would

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>change people's perception of what film is. This is an

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>early take.

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that there is a thing.

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I think there is a thing we're seeing David Klein,

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>who is the cinematographer of a bunch of Mandalorian episodes

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>in a bunch of TV and is the cinematographer man

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Gurgu. You know, he's taking his marching orders from

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 1>from uh Favreau. So I don't want to act like

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>this is a dig against him. My feeling on Favreau

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 1>movies is they're always too well lit, a great too smooth.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>They're just I can see everything, and I don't need

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to see everything, like every I can see all the

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 1>way to the back of the of the scene, and

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily need that all the time.

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 4>Definitely. I think about like the.

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Original Trilogy, like the deep shadows in so many of

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>those scenes, the way the dark and the light were

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.839
<v Speaker 1>hard contrasted, and that's just not Favreau's thing. You think

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 1>of Iron Man, you think of Elf, it's kind of

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like very very well lit, brightly lit scenes. That's so

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>all of which is to say, I think that there

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>is a kind of cross pollination between like TV lighting

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>and traditional movie lighting, and there's this kind of cross

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>pollination going on where to your point, I think TV

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>looks way better than it ever did you know when

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>we were growing up watching TV, And that has influenced

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 1>because there's so many people now coming up through the

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>TV pipeline movies and coming back and doing TV. I

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:59.280
<v Speaker 1>think it's influenced the way just video writ large looks,

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if it's always for the better

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:04.720
<v Speaker 1>of fireways.

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just no. I love that actually, because this is

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 2>a very realistic truth about technology and television. Because also

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>there is just unexpected responses and emotional reactions that humans

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>have to different kinds of ways things look right. So

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 2>do you remember like when they made everything HD and

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 2>suddenly watching like Days of Our Lives and it looks

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 2>like you're in the room with them and it's really surreal,

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.359
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it doesn't feel like you're watching TV

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 2>anymore because it's too clear. Right, So when they were

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>making HD, they could never have conceived that that would

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:41.800
<v Speaker 2>be a lot of people's reactions to it and it

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 2>would change the experience. So I also think that that

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 2>cross pollination. They couldn't really see how it would make

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:52.279
<v Speaker 2>people maybe reconsider certain films, not all films obviously, but

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's interesting because also that you know

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people it looks like a streaming movie.

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>It looks like a movie that would go straight to

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 2>streaming on Netflix. Did it well, Yeah, because it cost

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that. I think it does have a

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.760
<v Speaker 2>higher quality, but it cost one hundred and thirty million dollars.

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 2>That's actually a lot of Netflix streaming movies too. So

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 2>we're in a weird kind of cycle now with it.

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's end with this What the fuck happened? To the

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 1>super Bowl trailer, Like, this movie looks.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Good, there's great action scenes in it.

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>How is it just that the CG render was like

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that late and they didn't have enough to hearing make

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 1>a good I'm gonna tell you when was it ninety

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>months before the movie? And I and that was the thing, like,

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 1>if this is the lowest debuting Star Wars property over

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a four day weekend, it is partially because of the

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>absolutely shit rollout of this film. Yeah it happened.

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I agree. I so I from what we've read and

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>like from what we've had, they actually thought that was

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna be like a huge hit, Like they just thought

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 2>it was gonna bang for people. I don't even think.

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:03.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why they didn't just release a thirty

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:07.399
<v Speaker 2>seconds one shot of that opening fight scene. People would

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 2>have lost their minds by your tickets now or whatever,

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 2>But like it just blows my mind, Aaron, what do

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>you think, Like, how did they end up with that concept?

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, because I had one of my questions

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 5>was before this movie where they worried about people not

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 5>caring about Mando and Grogu anymore. Was that something that

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 5>like they felt like, oh, we had this ground swell

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 5>of approval rating for Grogu at the end of season one,

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 5>like he was the most profitable piece of you know,

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 5>merch for any Disney property.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know that for sure.

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm just like brainstorming that out, but yeah, yeah, Heed.

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 5>I wonder if they were worried about his appeal at

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 5>this point because season three didn't do particularly well, or

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 5>because Bookabobaet didn't do particularly well, and it maybe feels

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 5>like they spent the marketing time just to remind you, like, hey,

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 5>these two are cute together. Don't forget about this. Like, look,

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 5>there are these two people riding uh, you know.

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 2>The but me and Ian were literally like, how did

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 2>they not cut a good trailer from this movie? I

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 2>could caught a banger trailer for you guys.

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 4>You guys, let me tell you. Here's what happened. There

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 4>was a marketing meeting and they were like, we're gonna

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 4>partner with somebody for the Super Bowl. And they're like,

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, you guys, we got the clients. Ste horses.

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:23.320
<v Speaker 4>It's America's favorite. They're on this. They've been in the

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Super Bowl for decades. It's always Clydesville Horses. It's one

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 4>of the commercials people look out for. And now Mandu

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 4>gro we did it. That's amazing. That was full stop.

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 4>Their first thought on that too. I think if we

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 4>had seen Rada and again I loved this movie. Does

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 4>not look good in some scenes. No faces in.

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>General look weird and.

0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:50.720
<v Speaker 4>Chara to one of these, don't think you. I honestly

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 4>think they were like, we cannot show this extremely main

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 4>character definitely that much, or there's going to be the

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 4>discourse that we I mean, we just got a punisher

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 4>one line killed in that fall is all anybody can

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 4>talk about. When the CG is bad, there's going to

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 4>be conversations. And for Disney, who's doing layofs around that time,

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 4>it's not a great time to be like pushing out

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 4>your bad cgs.

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 5>Okay, but respectfully pushing back on that entirely. The commercial

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 5>doesn't feature the horses. It features CGI tantons.

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they're.

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 5>Worried about the CGI. They just highlighted the CGI with

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 5>the characters that were not in the movie itself. They

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:25.439
<v Speaker 5>made them specifically for that Super Bowl.

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 4>Correct. I say, the marketing people respecting the idea of Clydesdale's,

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 4>but it's the star Wars makeover of it, like that

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 4>was the max of their thought was the top of

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 4>their thought was this is commercial and they did Star Wars.

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.320
<v Speaker 4>We mashed them together. We are successful because that's, in

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 4>my opinion, how marketing people think. I think two. And

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:50.439
<v Speaker 4>the third thing is I really think Disney struggles from

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 4>time to time with like how to build suspense around

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 4>properties that are simple. This is not like a really

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.160
<v Speaker 4>complex story. But you don't want to give a way

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 4>the bag up front.

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Of like what BINSS movie? It's like, how do you

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 2>describe it without telling people, you know what the story?

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 4>That's good.

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 1>That's actually Joel, that's actually a really good point. They're

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 1>not They're not a great other than like brute force

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and a burnishing of IP that people already love. They're

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.240
<v Speaker 1>not like a great in the way that like Warner

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Brothers is at like creating marketing campaigns. And and I

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>have a Matthew some trailers in a way that like

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 1>really pop and make people like.

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Bring back the nineties voiceover guy who would introduce your

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 4>trailer to an audience, Disney, bring it back that exactly,

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.800
<v Speaker 4>and then and then just show me shots of Mandol

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 4>suiting up grogu.

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.760
<v Speaker 3>That you got such a yea.

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 2>To exist.

0:46:58.440 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't think you guys.

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Are for the fact that Trapper was.

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 3>He's good. He's a continuing Caar.

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:09.760
<v Speaker 4>Definite Star Wars connuity. He's gonna be around.

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be animated before he's gonna be there.

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 4>Dave, if you want to do the Stanley thing, you

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.839
<v Speaker 4>gotta listen to Aaron and you gotta just do the little.

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 4>He's gotta make it bigot big.

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:21.840
<v Speaker 2>It's gotta be referent.

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 4>You can't be the same character every time. It's gotta

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:27.320
<v Speaker 4>be almost nonsense. Stanley's got every sketch, but there is

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<v Speaker 4>not a through line. He is not a watcher, even

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<v Speaker 4>though that was a theory for a while. He was

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<v Speaker 4>just some dude in every movie and it was perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Just be and I guess what, I'm gonna reveal something

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<v Speaker 2>for you. Really, it's because he had a contract that

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<v Speaker 2>paid him like a million dollars a year to be

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<v Speaker 2>what they called a Chaman emeritus, which was like a

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<v Speaker 2>representative of Marvel in the wider world. So also it

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<v Speaker 2>was also like contractual.

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<v Speaker 4>Like so Stan's days is just like a radio host.

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<v Speaker 4>She was just like man I love Marvel, do more

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<v Speaker 4>of that, even like get out of the center of

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<v Speaker 4>the movie, though, that is not gonna look well.

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<v Speaker 2>For all the critiques of Stanley that we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>many times on this podcast, we always say he was

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic advocate for comics and an incredible editor. Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Feloney be an advocate for Star Wars. Be out there

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<v Speaker 2>wearing your little hat at D twenty three talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Gray Jedi or whatever. But like, don't be don't be in,

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough, Well, the Mandalorian and grogu out. Now you have

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<v Speaker 1>kids who love Star Wars, go take a take them

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it. It's it's a fun movie.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have kids who love Star Wars taking rid

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<v Speaker 1>of this movie, it's gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Be the parents are going. Let us know in the

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<v Speaker 2>chat if you enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episodes of X ray Vision, we're diving

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<v Speaker 1>into our review of the first season of Amazon Spider

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<v Speaker 1>waw W. That's a for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion.

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<v Speaker 3>And Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron core.

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<v Speaker 1>Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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<v Speaker 2>Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.

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<v Speaker 1>A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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<v Speaker 1>songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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