Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the Mandalorian and Grogu.
Speaker 1: Be warned. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion.
Speaker 2: Rosie Knight.
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we'll be doing a spoiler filled deep
Speaker 2: dive into The Mandalorian and Grogu, the first Star Wars
Speaker 2: movie since twenty nineteen, and then we will bring in
Speaker 2: some of our super producers for a roundtable discussion of
Speaker 2: the movie, and I'm sure it will get delightfully heated.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. The Mandalorian and Grogu,
Speaker 1: the round table. Please, welcome to the program. Super producer Aaron,
Speaker 1: Super producer Joelle.
Speaker 4: How are you. I'm kind of excited to talk about
Speaker 4: this film, a film I had zero expectations for, left
Speaker 4: delighted with, and then came out with some very uh
Speaker 4: what I imagine will be polarizing opinions about the direction
Speaker 4: of Star Wars. I'm oh, I'm glad to hear what everybody.
Speaker 1: Thinks, let's first set the table.
Speaker 2: Yes, waitport commute.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a lot of times when I
Speaker 5: come in and I, uh, maybe have a little different
Speaker 5: opinion of a movie than everyone else, and I've been
Speaker 5: on the opposing side of things, and I came out
Speaker 5: of this movie and I was like, I enjoyed this
Speaker 5: and I'm worried no one else is going to and
Speaker 5: so x ray.
Speaker 2: Vision it's good. It's good and glassy of approval, guys
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 1: Let me set the table. The picture is set to
Speaker 1: open memorially weekend. The projection look to be about eighty
Speaker 1: plus million, that's per deadline. And just to kind of
Speaker 1: set the stick, seventy four to ninety Slash Film says
Speaker 1: ninety to one hundred box office pro Polymarket sets the
Speaker 1: market at at thirty seven percent that it's below ninety
Speaker 1: two million. So that's where the betting lines are. And
Speaker 1: here are some important benchmarks. Solo is Star Wars story
Speaker 1: open to one hundred and three on a four day weekend.
Speaker 1: The rise of Skywalker and Solo is Star Wars story
Speaker 1: that was seen.
Speaker 2: As the lowest three big end of the Star Wars
Speaker 2: story spinoff ideas.
Speaker 3: It was bad.
Speaker 1: Rise of Skywalker won seventy seven point three, Rogue one
Speaker 1: one fifty five, and just some other stuff. Mission Impossible,
Speaker 1: Final Reckoning seventy nine million, seventy nine million, four Day
Speaker 1: and Leelo and Stitch of one hundred and eighty two
Speaker 1: Best Memorial Day ever. They get kind of the ceiling
Speaker 1: and the floor. Oh okay, Mana Lloyd and Grog Joelle
Speaker 1: your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Wow, what a fun ride. Remember when we found out
Speaker 4: there was gonna be like a holked out sexy hot Yes,
Speaker 4: we were gonna have at you guys, please. We found
Speaker 4: that there's gonna be a sex hut in the movie,
Speaker 4: and we were all very concerned. And then we found
Speaker 4: out that the sex hu was being played by Jeremale
Speaker 4: and White, and there were lots of questions. And I
Speaker 4: have to say, at the end of the day, Big
Speaker 4: Brother sex Hi, Wow, really nailed it. Really for the
Speaker 4: monster girlies, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 2: The hot fine, she loves Listen.
Speaker 4: I here's why I like her. Out of the Hut.
Speaker 4: I have multiple thoughts about this one. I does this
Speaker 4: not flesh out job of the Hut as a character?
Speaker 4: A little bit for you, and isn't that an amazing thing?
Speaker 4: I agree these additional Star Wars stories can do for us.
Speaker 4: Is like fill in Backhan and love that too. If
Speaker 4: there's anything Grogunes, it's that big brother energy. Okay, here's
Speaker 4: a little guy taken on full blown missions. Okay, the
Speaker 4: guy him in armor, he's a child soldier. For the
Speaker 4: love of God, it's not great out here. Here's a
Speaker 4: guy who's just like, nah, kid, you can sleep and
Speaker 4: snack and be a kid. That's amazing. I love that
Speaker 4: for Grogu.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 4: I think the limitations of Rada make him a really
Speaker 4: interesting character because he's a big CGI character. He stays
Speaker 4: behind a lot and acts as like an anchor as
Speaker 4: a big D and D player. I like when there's
Speaker 4: like a sort of formulated strategy role for every fighter
Speaker 4: in your party and the fact that Rada is your
Speaker 4: anchor and just holding down the foregat. That really worked
Speaker 4: for me. At first time he's like, oh no, he's
Speaker 4: not able to do much. And when he's fighting in
Speaker 4: the pigaddamn, that was thrilling. I think Rada works as
Speaker 4: both a lure further into the story and for possible
Speaker 4: futures of like where the story could go. When we
Speaker 4: go get back into our animated bag, you'll be able
Speaker 4: to do a lot more with Rada, So I found
Speaker 4: him interesting overall. You know, I really enjoyed this movie.
Speaker 4: I thought it was fun. I'll get into it more
Speaker 4: a little later, but I think the be a step
Speaker 4: of this do I mean, you know, back in the day,
Speaker 4: you have your A film play, then you have your
Speaker 4: B film play. Your A film is what brought people
Speaker 4: in your B film maybe say around it's kind of horror.
Speaker 4: A lot of Star Wars is based on sort of
Speaker 4: these like be campier films, and I think that this
Speaker 4: movie plays into those tropes quite well, and I had
Speaker 4: a lot of fun watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So recently, for the first time ever, the truly original
Speaker 2: theatrical cart of Star Wars has been shown right at
Speaker 2: the BFI, and people said they were pretty blown away
Speaker 2: by just how minimal the effects are and how jang
Speaker 2: it looks in hindsight, because it was originally a low
Speaker 2: budget movie that was then you know, reevaluated because it
Speaker 2: was such a huge hit and it was just spoke
Speaker 2: to people. So I think in that way as well,
Speaker 2: like remembering that not like not every Star Wars piece
Speaker 2: is like a generation movie, is a generational, life changing masterpiece,
Speaker 2: as much as we might want it to be. Now,
Speaker 2: Wh're you know, ten movies deep, and I think we
Speaker 2: can say that they're a bit more inconsistent. I think
Speaker 2: the b movie of it all is what I enjoyed too, Aaron,
Speaker 2: what about you.
Speaker 5: I think that the movie starts off and I was
Speaker 5: thrilled to see that everything we'd seen clip wise it
Speaker 5: felt like it had come from those first fifteen minutes
Speaker 5: and it was like, Okay, it's very surprising, bigger movie
Speaker 5: than I was expecting. I think I had low expectations
Speaker 5: going in, and it definitely unlocked a lot beyond what
Speaker 5: I was expecting. I think there were some things that
Speaker 5: felt too foloniesque and that he's just he can't help
Speaker 5: but reference the past and be so tied to the
Speaker 5: past of Star Wars, and that was some of the
Speaker 5: stuff that I disliked the most. But for me, the
Speaker 5: big winner and the thing that I'll talk about later
Speaker 5: for sure, the score of this movie was incredible to
Speaker 5: like the Gang, this is I think his greatest score ever,
Speaker 5: Like I wow, yes, and like we can talk about
Speaker 5: it later more. But I think that adds like if
Speaker 5: we're rating this out of ten, that gives it an
Speaker 5: additional one to one and a half stars for me
Speaker 5: because of how amazing this.
Speaker 2: I do think it is like a vangelist doing Blade
Speaker 2: Runner level score, Like there are moments when they are
Speaker 2: in these futuristic cities and you hear the soundscapes that
Speaker 2: Ludwig creates and you are just like, wait, I'm watching
Speaker 2: like history, Like I'm watching a moment that people will remember.
Speaker 3: It is really cool.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you with that. I need to
Speaker 1: process if I agree with his best score ever, but
Speaker 1: I will say it's eighties in the best way, yes,
Speaker 1: And you can feel these like homages to different like
Speaker 1: horror and sci fi and action movies within it, and
Speaker 1: at the same time it's like not derivative, you know.
Speaker 5: So he must have had a blast writing this. Just
Speaker 5: listening to every line he's writing, it really is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew.
Speaker 2: I just don't think you could. I think the Black
Speaker 2: Panther score is like so legendary. I just think it's
Speaker 2: like hard for me to compare it. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I do think that at multiple times throughout this,
Speaker 2: me and Ian and even me and my younger nephew
Speaker 2: who was there. We looked at each other and we're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Ludwig. Like it was standing out in
Speaker 2: a way that John Williams stands out or Han Zima
Speaker 2: stands out. It did feel like you were listening to
Speaker 2: even if you don't like the movie. I don't think
Speaker 2: anyone's gonna say the score isn't incredible, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And like he took a lot of risks
Speaker 5: that I was worried about. When certain pieces started, I
Speaker 5: was like, Oh, is this is he really? And then
Speaker 5: I've settled into it and I was like, Wow, the
Speaker 5: way he's incorporating the theme into this, the way he's
Speaker 5: incorporating three notes from the.
Speaker 3: Theme into this.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the score just that that has
Speaker 5: more than any other movie I've seen in the last
Speaker 5: few years. The score just blew me away on first watch.
Speaker 1: Can I can I push back slightly on I think
Speaker 1: the score is amazing. Yeah, I do think as a
Speaker 1: as a film score buff I do believe that there
Speaker 1: is like a sweet spot where if you notice the score,
Speaker 1: it's either too good or terrible. Okay, true, And I
Speaker 1: do think that I think that this this is one
Speaker 1: of those scores that like elevates the movie in the
Speaker 1: way that like, uh, you know Morricone's Untouchables, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like that elevates that movie. John coppinha it almost makes
Speaker 1: me feel like the score is a little too good
Speaker 1: for the movie.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that it's a mark.
Speaker 2: I think it's.
Speaker 1: Sixty verse forty percent. Yes, I was just saying exactly
Speaker 1: versus forty, Like the movie is not at the level
Speaker 1: of the score, but it's a good movie.
Speaker 2: It should be like fifty two. The score is incredible.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is nit picking.
Speaker 3: It's a good movie, but no, no, but.
Speaker 2: I think you actually touched on something really special here.
Speaker 2: You know what else I think is about the soundtrack
Speaker 2: that I'd be interested to know if you guys agree
Speaker 2: with I kind of feel like, you know, Ludwig has
Speaker 2: done so many incredible movies and they are some of
Speaker 2: the biggest movies in the world. So it's not like
Speaker 2: he's unknown, right, but he is known for kind of
Speaker 2: experimental stuff. He's known for working with Ryan Coogler. That's
Speaker 2: what he's best known for. This does feel like essentially
Speaker 2: a portfolio work for him, because you get these like
Speaker 2: incredible synthy eighties, like you could be working on a
Speaker 2: blade run a TV show, you could be doing afrofuturism,
Speaker 2: you could be doing dystopia. But then also, and this
Speaker 2: is something we haven't really touched on that I think
Speaker 2: is part of why I love the movie, and I
Speaker 2: think why a lot of us enjoyed it, which is
Speaker 2: the practical stuff. When he starts doing the Grogu's doing
Speaker 2: magic in the forest and you haven't seen a human
Speaker 2: for ten minutes, He's doing like John William's fucking level magical,
Speaker 2: classical composing that makes you feel like you are watching
Speaker 2: Dark Crystal, like you are watching Legend or Willow for
Speaker 2: the first time. So I think, like the absolute range
Speaker 2: that he shows here, it also does probably explain why
Speaker 2: for some people the movie feels a little bit of
Speaker 2: a lot of tones, because as you we're.
Speaker 5: Describing a lot of tones, I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 5: let's give the movie a little bit trouble that his
Speaker 5: score is able to do all those things, because the
Speaker 5: movie does hit a lot of different moments. You have
Speaker 5: for a movie where I feel like, frankly, I only
Speaker 5: cared about three characters to have so many different vibes
Speaker 5: throughout works. It well three if you count all the
Speaker 5: Bible fricks.
Speaker 2: As well well Vanza yeah.
Speaker 1: Obviously, obviously, Okay, let's let's sorry, go ahead, eron no no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So it just hits so many different things.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about our three favorite things from the movie.
Speaker 1: Any three favorite things, Rosie, Let's start with you. What
Speaker 1: are your three favorite things about this movie?
Speaker 2: The baby? Obviously, baby, the baby. You know what, there
Speaker 2: was a great tweet that everyone's been sharing, and it's
Speaker 2: the video of the baby on the red carpet and
Speaker 2: a guy sorry to this man that I don't remember
Speaker 2: his handle, but he says, he's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. Man, I should be sick of him,
Speaker 2: but he's still got it. And that's how I feel
Speaker 2: about the baby. Like, but they created something so enchanting,
Speaker 2: with so much personality, and it is showcased at all
Speaker 2: times in this This is not your you know, even
Speaker 2: though I was a kid when I saw this, so
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty cool. But this is not
Speaker 2: like Yoda doing backflips with a lightsaber. Everyone's going to
Speaker 2: be like, why did you do that with the character.
Speaker 2: We worried it was gonna be a bit like suddenly
Speaker 2: the baby has to drive a car, he's going crazy,
Speaker 2: But it's very much an understanding of exactly what makes
Speaker 2: the character lovable. Like this movie has some crazy action
Speaker 2: sequences that my nephew sitting next to me said, the
Speaker 2: man Laurian might be the most badass mother. He didn't
Speaker 2: swear because he's a good boy in the world. But
Speaker 2: you know what his favorite scene was. His favorite scene
Speaker 2: was the scene where baby Yoda armors up and is
Speaker 2: like putting on their own Like even a twelve year old,
Speaker 2: even a kid who's going into puberty, who does love
Speaker 2: the shooting, who does love the nineties action vibes, the
Speaker 2: thing that moves them is this creature because it feels
Speaker 2: like you're seeing something that you couldn't see in real life.
Speaker 2: You know it, but it feels real, And I think
Speaker 2: that's the magic of cinema. So definitely that the Anzaliens.
Speaker 2: I think all the sequences where it's just puppetry, like,
Speaker 2: I think there is a five star movie here that
Speaker 2: could be seen as like a Dark Crystal level success.
Speaker 2: I also will recognize Dark Crystal is a huge financial
Speaker 2: flop at the time. We've never had a big puppeteering
Speaker 2: movie that's really made a lot of money like that
Speaker 2: that wasn't also heavily cgi like Jurassic Park, but like
Speaker 2: it is so magical and like there are those moments
Speaker 2: in the forest where the baby's sitting and he's meditating
Speaker 2: and the Anzalians are talking. There were like full throated,
Speaker 2: whole movie theater laughs, like but not like, oh it's
Speaker 2: a quippy Josh Whedon thing you're meant to laugh at.
Speaker 2: Just people literally like unable to contain their laughter because
Speaker 2: the performance with the puppets is so funny and so lifelike.
Speaker 2: That stuff, to me is what elevated this movie to
Speaker 2: where I think it's worth all of us having a
Speaker 2: round table talking about where we like it because everyone else,
Speaker 2: you know, other people don't like it. And a lot
Speaker 2: of times I'll be like, well, maybe it's just not
Speaker 2: for me, but I think that is truly magic in
Speaker 2: those scenes. So yeah, all the practical stuff. And also,
Speaker 2: you know what, Pedro Pascal, he's still great in this movie.
Speaker 2: He reminds you why you love him. Him and the
Speaker 2: baby have absolutely great chemistry. They keep the dad stuff
Speaker 2: just enough on the side where you want a bit
Speaker 2: more of it, like it's cute. They don't overplay it.
Speaker 2: And I do think even though rot of the Hut
Speaker 2: was not particularly for me, I think again, Pedro really
Speaker 2: his emotional side came out to look off the Rota,
Speaker 2: and I loved, like even I loved the moment where
Speaker 2: he said to the baby, go get Rotta, like, go
Speaker 2: save him. I love a found family, you know, so,
Speaker 2: so I think really it's I could Pedro be the
Speaker 2: one human I would allow in this movie if I
Speaker 2: did my version, which is just all puppets. But I
Speaker 2: actually don't think you need any humans. I think that
Speaker 2: Dave Filoni wants to make a puppet movie and we.
Speaker 4: Should let him.
Speaker 2: And then he won't put himself in it three times
Speaker 2: because he won't be a poonty, because he he'll make
Speaker 2: himself a puppet.
Speaker 4: They'll wear the hat too.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Joelle, your your top three favorite things?
Speaker 4: Yeah, piggybacking off of the baby, the babies. We got
Speaker 4: a hot baby who was super cute. Who if you
Speaker 4: watch Clothes Doors, you've seen Runda before when he was
Speaker 4: a little baby. You know, he made me get a
Speaker 4: Rodian baby, which is a Gredo's species. At one point
Speaker 4: in the show so cute. Please continue to make more
Speaker 4: alien babies and put them in movies for me to
Speaker 4: be like, oh my god, they're so cute. Really genuinely
Speaker 4: had a good time with all of the creature work.
Speaker 4: To expand out from there. I think my favorite was
Speaker 4: the swamp gator alien who I'm sorry I don't be
Speaker 4: able to find. Yeah, yeah, what species he is? But
Speaker 4: I thought like, he's just really fun. I love a
Speaker 4: bayou moment. It doesn't matter like sci fi actually in
Speaker 4: w Orleans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just catfish guy.
Speaker 4: He kind of absolutely yeah. I thought he was divine,
Speaker 4: just just from a creature work, design aesthetic like, I
Speaker 4: thought he was an excellent character. Add on and three,
Speaker 4: I really liked when Mando was knocked out and we
Speaker 4: get suspended so much time with Grogu just navigating the
Speaker 4: world like we see our boys growing up. He could
Speaker 4: create a shelter. He doesn't have good depth yet. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's figuring it out. There were some knocks on the head,
Speaker 4: but he tried. I love that he like disobeyed orders
Speaker 4: to stay behind. He's like, absolutely not. We are a
Speaker 4: family unit. You could try to sacrifice yourself I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna let you. I just thought that whole sequence of
Speaker 4: him surviving protecting Mando as far as like, what is
Speaker 4: this movie doing for this portion of the franchise?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Like, I was really nervous when they were like those
Speaker 4: are gonna be TV series and then we smashed it
Speaker 4: into a movie. I was like, Oh, this is gonna
Speaker 4: be a mess, or it'll feel too much like a
Speaker 4: TV show. They're just trying to project in a movie theater.
Speaker 4: But actually, for my money, and I know not everyone agrees,
Speaker 4: but I thought this was like a really great arc
Speaker 4: for these two characters. It was simple but clean, and
Speaker 4: what it really reinforces is like, not only are these
Speaker 4: guys like family and together, but like Grogu's growing up
Speaker 4: into a Mandalorian and it's like a little bit of
Speaker 4: thing to watch, I think, because there's still this anticipation
Speaker 4: of he's so connected to Yoda, and I feel like
Speaker 4: he became more Grogu and like just Grogo.
Speaker 1: He doesn't use the falsest much, so is he richly
Speaker 1: like growing up when we say growing up, So like
Speaker 1: one hundred two hundred.
Speaker 4: Time I thought he was gonna speak, I thought he'd
Speaker 4: a word in this movie.
Speaker 2: He had said that too. We thought he was gonna
Speaker 2: maybe and.
Speaker 4: It was giving Like Yoda in his most like meditating space,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, will he'd be meditating in the
Speaker 4: swamp and like finally start to speak. I'm okay that
Speaker 4: he didn't. I do think one hundred and fifty issues
Speaker 4: when we'll start to see you, like, you know, if
Speaker 4: we're gonna be like doing human years like a ten
Speaker 4: or eleven year old Grogu who can like speak and
Speaker 4: have his own thoughts and all of this stuff. But uh,
Speaker 4: his growth here was delightful. I think he's coaching toddler
Speaker 4: stage and it's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yoda was like eight hundred nine hundred, that's what
Speaker 2: are yours?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 4: So say the babies, I would say the creature work,
Speaker 4: and then I would say the just the entire sequence
Speaker 4: of grom Aaron.
Speaker 3: The score number one, number two. I loved the continuation and.
Speaker 5: Evolution of Mando and Grogu's storyline and their growth. I
Speaker 5: absolutely lost it at I'm gonna I'm like gonna lose
Speaker 5: it saying it again at the young or the old
Speaker 5: take care of the young, and then the young take
Speaker 5: care of the old. I thought that was the best
Speaker 5: like use of this is the way in a in
Speaker 5: a new element that we haven't seen in previous you know,
Speaker 5: iterations of that phrase. So that was you know, we
Speaker 5: got some fun stuff like Joel was mentioning with Grogu
Speaker 5: hidding his head like over and over again. Then we
Speaker 5: got like the incredibly sweet him like getting in under
Speaker 5: his arm to fall asleep kind of thing. So like,
Speaker 5: I loved that whole section and that segment, and I
Speaker 5: think that I felt like a lot of this move that.
Speaker 5: My third thing is that this movie wasn't too goofy
Speaker 5: and silly while still being what I would say is
Speaker 5: a kid's movie.
Speaker 3: Like we we didn't have three or four jokes about
Speaker 3: Grogu wanting to eat something.
Speaker 5: We got two and like or maybe it was three,
Speaker 5: but it didn't feel like there were too many of
Speaker 5: those jokes, like any.
Speaker 4: Fart jokes or anything like that. Yeah, that's a really
Speaker 4: good point. It does stay pretty grounded.
Speaker 2: Even Rota, he's not traditional like usually that could have
Speaker 2: been a comedic side character with thoughting and aha and
Speaker 2: he's so dumb, but instead they went for like emo
Speaker 2: side character, which I just am so intrigued by still
Speaker 2: to this day.
Speaker 3: Intrigued is interesting word. Yeah, so that would be my
Speaker 3: third one. Yeah, what about you, Jason, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: with in no order.
Speaker 1: First, the decision to split up the spoiler spoiler spoilers player.
Speaker 1: The decision to split up Mando and Grogu arcs correct.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it it showed that, first
Speaker 1: of all, these characters are not gonna be together forever
Speaker 1: this you know, Grogu's for another eight hundred plus years.
Speaker 1: And it shows that even in at baby level, you
Speaker 1: can have these characters do different things. They don't always
Speaker 1: have to be together. And I was a little like
Speaker 1: worried about that. And you know, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism about this movie, but it's like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is it. It's a it's a three episode arc, like
Speaker 1: it's the what are we learning that's new? Not really
Speaker 1: that much. I think the one thing that's really subtly
Speaker 1: the most important is that, like, you don't have to
Speaker 1: have these characters together all the time. You can go
Speaker 1: have Grogu do adventures on their own without without Mando
Speaker 1: kind of looming. Next, I will say I did, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love the I thought the I thought the Enzellones
Speaker 1: were great, like this is so too, you know, very
Speaker 1: adjacent to grow. But like all of their stuff together
Speaker 1: was fun. All of them riding around together was fun.
Speaker 2: In the tiny ship that wouldn't fit, it's such a
Speaker 2: sight gag. It's funny.
Speaker 1: It's like the practicalness of it was the right amount
Speaker 1: of rough verse polished, you know, like there was like
Speaker 1: an almost fraggle rock.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was vibe in a good in a good way.
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't graverly smooth.
Speaker 2: It didn't.
Speaker 1: You don't it's not like you see the seams in
Speaker 1: the puppet. But you also feel like there's a tactile
Speaker 1: on this and a kind of homemadeeness to.
Speaker 4: It that was just.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I gotta say, I like.
Speaker 2: Roda was fun.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed Rada.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed, I enjoyed, I enjoyed buff Ratta. I thought, like,
Speaker 1: there's another character that like we're gonna you talk about
Speaker 1: like a future good guy in the universe or great
Speaker 1: guy or something. Rada against his like family legacy of
Speaker 1: like gangsters, or is he going to be like a
Speaker 1: new republic something. What is Rada's like future arc is
Speaker 1: really fascinating to me.
Speaker 4: He was very fun.
Speaker 1: I thought the action scenes were with him were so
Speaker 1: much more than I was expected.
Speaker 2: True, that's true, and.
Speaker 4: And that's primate.
Speaker 1: Those are the three reasons honestly why this movie worked
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, all of those things I do want to say,
Speaker 2: I look what I'm an emo kid. I love Emo,
Speaker 2: I love the concept. I love both of what you
Speaker 2: enjoy Ela saying. But there were moments and it where
Speaker 2: for me the writing was like so on the nose
Speaker 2: that I was like, Okay, it does feel a little
Speaker 2: bit like an SNL sketch, like they pushed it a
Speaker 2: little bit that way. But I think also for kids,
Speaker 2: like they like that character, like I'm not a us
Speaker 2: to putting like a cool cgi muscles.
Speaker 1: It's Filonian Favreau, you know what I mean? Like this
Speaker 1: is not like it's not fucking uh David mammontt and
Speaker 1: Scorsese out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was exactly what I expected. And and honestly, shouts
Speaker 1: to the performers. Brought so much pathos two to your
Speaker 1: point and performance emotion to dialogue that's like okay, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's not like you're ever like whoa, you know,
Speaker 1: like there was the one line, which was they nailed that,
Speaker 1: and they had to nail that the young take care
Speaker 1: of the old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's your big like emotional you had, you had
Speaker 2: to nail that one. I do it was it was
Speaker 2: just one scene, so I don't I didn't want to
Speaker 2: use it as a whole thing, but I do want
Speaker 2: to do a big shout out now Jason did uh
Speaker 2: you know, accuse me maybe of a Max Max sing
Speaker 2: because I was like five. I was like, I rose
Speaker 2: away from the cinema screen and it was a trimax.
Speaker 2: But I do want to shout out. I know. There
Speaker 2: was a lot of critiques about how this would look
Speaker 2: just like the TV show, but there were a couple
Speaker 2: of moments, especially the opening sequence where the attap falls
Speaker 2: down the side of the cliff. Yeah, me and Isaiah
Speaker 2: and Ian like we felt like we got wobbly knees.
Speaker 2: It was like we felt that we were gonna tip
Speaker 2: forward like that. To me, there were a couple of
Speaker 2: those moments that really argued for what the scope of
Speaker 2: a Star Wars movie can be again in a way
Speaker 2: we haven't seen for a while. Ironically made me think
Speaker 2: of Solo in the opening train heist scene, so it's
Speaker 2: just like, I think that is actually a lot of
Speaker 2: what I've missed is like it's been incredible to see
Speaker 2: the quality of a Bryce Dallas Howard Mandalorian episode, but
Speaker 2: it is incredible to see a two story tall at
Speaker 2: ap fall in front of you and take like a
Speaker 2: bunch of other vehicles with it. There's scope there that
Speaker 2: that I think was made it worthwhile.
Speaker 4: Sorry, he's the magic of Jon Favreau. And we must
Speaker 4: now pause here to talk about this man as a director,
Speaker 4: because I really feel like as much as this is
Speaker 4: clearly Dave Filoni's baby and he's put a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff into it, I think what really sells this movie
Speaker 4: if you think back on John's filmography, you know, I
Speaker 4: think particularly Elf kind of stood out as a complex
Speaker 4: and this is like an Elf met iron Man, right,
Speaker 4: Like you're having incredible action sequences, but it's also so
Speaker 4: charming and warm, but then you're in.
Speaker 2: The physical comedy, very hilly. Yeah, also scary at times
Speaker 2: because there has to be steaks.
Speaker 4: It's almost really Stillbergian like, it's almost.
Speaker 2: That's definitely moments of amy at.
Speaker 4: Moments, and I just to me, I always feel like
Speaker 4: I'm missing those moments when I'm in a movie house nowadays,
Speaker 4: I love a good explosion. Don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 4: love heavy drama. I think we have all of that
Speaker 4: in spades. But the amber glow warmth of a good, whimsical,
Speaker 4: all ages movie, it's rare and difficult to find even,
Speaker 4: you know, if I think about like the action Mowana,
Speaker 4: you know, a fine movie, but not doesn't leave you
Speaker 4: with like the warm and tingly. It's like, after this,
Speaker 4: I was like, I must go another. Yeah, yes, speak
Speaker 4: for yourself there, but yeah, that's right. It's for many people.
Speaker 2: No beef, no beef, I know, I know what you mean, Like,
Speaker 2: this is the kind of movie that even and I
Speaker 2: was this person. I have almost a full size BB
Speaker 2: eight still in my house, so I have been targeted before,
Speaker 2: you know, but like I, I have not been that
Speaker 2: person for a while. Especially working in the industry, it's
Speaker 2: easy to get kind of disillusioned and cynical about these corporations.
Speaker 2: I definitely left thinking like I need a fucking babyyod
Speaker 2: in my house, Like I need that shit in my house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it will make me happy to see him and
Speaker 2: to think about how brave he is and how strong
Speaker 2: he is and how he's so sassy and he just
Speaker 2: does his best times. I do have to ask you
Speaker 2: guys the questions. Yes, did the end of the movie
Speaker 2: is that the New Republic committing like a genocide on
Speaker 2: the Hats because they do like destroy the entirety of
Speaker 2: Nallah conversation character. I just need to know, I say,
Speaker 2: to know, I seed to know.
Speaker 4: I just want I'm like, I'm like, is that because
Speaker 4: they are a crime syndicate and I would like a race.
Speaker 2: It's more like just that specific family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what they're just taking out of crime syndicate.
Speaker 4: And that's okay, let's take a break.
Speaker 1: And then we'll be back with more and to learn
Speaker 1: group obversations.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're back. So we love the movie like to Love.
Speaker 1: I would say I'm between like and love with a
Speaker 1: with a lean, heavy lean towards love.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a fun time. It's a movie that this
Speaker 1: is a movie that if we were in the cable
Speaker 1: era when I was a kid, this movie would be
Speaker 1: on one of the cable channel TVT this is fifty
Speaker 1: times a week, and you would you would just watch
Speaker 1: it whenever you happen to see.
Speaker 2: If you are a parent, you will be watching this
Speaker 2: movie a lot on Disney Plus. I mean, I knew
Speaker 2: instantly when they entered the forest that that sequence of
Speaker 2: Grogu and the Azaliens, that like twenty five minute sequence
Speaker 2: that's gonna be like a new thought picking up I
Speaker 2: mean Captain America picking up thoughts hammer like a scene
Speaker 2: I just put on when I want to hype myself
Speaker 2: up for twenty minutes, like I will watch that when
Speaker 2: I want to feel whimsical or make that feeling of
Speaker 2: willow or or space or like imagination, feeling that like
Speaker 2: little feeling you get of like oh, anything's possible. Like
Speaker 2: that is cinema magic. Like I wish it could have
Speaker 2: been through the whole movie, but I feel lucky we
Speaker 2: get even a little of it, because a lot of
Speaker 2: movies just don't have that nowadays.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about I would like to talk about
Speaker 1: the Dave Filoni appearances.
Speaker 3: Of course you do.
Speaker 2: Come on, let's start off.
Speaker 1: What percentage too much do you think it was? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it was.
Speaker 2: I think it's two thirds.
Speaker 1: I think it was at fifty to sixty percent too
Speaker 1: much Dave Filoni in this movie on camera.
Speaker 4: I'm saying too how much I'm gonna go eighty percent
Speaker 4: too much. Here's the thing, here's why, here's why, and
Speaker 4: it's not it's not a hate thing. I was talking
Speaker 4: about it this Morning's Dave Saloni. And again with full
Speaker 4: third of respect, because what you've done for Star Wars.
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I so because I say we tattooed
Speaker 4: I you are not a performer. You're not an actor.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 4: That's a real craft that takes a lot of effort
Speaker 4: to do, and you are just you're still in the
Speaker 4: early stages of your directing career, like live action directing.
Speaker 4: You're a great writer, you have deep IP knowledge. I
Speaker 4: think you are good for Star Wars, genuinely. I don't
Speaker 4: think that David is a performer. And I think when
Speaker 4: you have an assassin Joid, who's going to be playing,
Speaker 4: you know, not the most significant role, but pretty important
Speaker 4: role throughout the film, hire an actor to do the stuff.
Speaker 4: Let that that is a cool, freaking character who looks amazing,
Speaker 4: is having fun. You at the bar with your hat
Speaker 4: on is perly respect?
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not.
Speaker 4: Watch Karen, wherever you go, keep going. I just don't think.
Speaker 2: Taking these role specific cameos I think the issue is
Speaker 2: also Aaron like tell me if you agree, but like
Speaker 2: also like it's not the percentage feels higher because the
Speaker 2: they are very obvious cameos.
Speaker 5: Yes, there's also only like eight human faces in the
Speaker 5: entire movie. He's like three of them, which is just
Speaker 5: like kind of weird. I mean, the hat is so
Speaker 5: iconically him that it just stood out even I mean
Speaker 5: that was like I just shook my head when that
Speaker 5: he came back in the end.
Speaker 3: Yes, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: My big issue with that one too, It's like that
Speaker 2: was a close up. It feels it's whole based on
Speaker 2: the ie.
Speaker 1: It's like if Figy was in a Marvel movie with
Speaker 1: the blank baseball hat, you gotta give me at least
Speaker 1: an attempt to be visually a different.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, Avon, you might you might be too young
Speaker 2: to get this reference, so don't worry if you are.
Speaker 2: But Jason and Joel, how upset do you think, Robert
Speaker 2: Rodriguez is that Dave Filoni became the more famous cowboy
Speaker 2: hat wera because honestly, it really hasn't taken over, like
Speaker 2: he's taking it over.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not even a cowboy hat. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's more like a safari hat like it's it's more
Speaker 1: like a like crocodile hunter crocodile kind of Yes, that's.
Speaker 4: What it speaks to.
Speaker 1: More to me and who I agree with Joelle. It's
Speaker 1: here's my line, and my line is I have several
Speaker 1: lines that I feel like mister David crossed. The first
Speaker 1: is and I said it a little bit in our
Speaker 1: you can only play one character in your movie individual,
Speaker 1: you can't play two? Yeah, too much, okay, because first
Speaker 1: of all, as you I'll mentioned, first of all, you
Speaker 1: are taking a role away from a working actor.
Speaker 2: Like a literally actor who could get paid two.
Speaker 1: Now you are taking two roles away from two working actors.
Speaker 4: And and the fact that.
Speaker 1: It's both a voice acting and a live action roles
Speaker 1: is kind of It's just kind of crazy. And and
Speaker 1: while it did not impact my enjoyment of the film,
Speaker 1: I did find myself like when he comes back at
Speaker 1: the end, I was like a little embarrassed for him.
Speaker 2: I rolled my eyes when he showed off as the pilot.
Speaker 4: It's a little soon now, it's too much.
Speaker 2: Just be excited to see Sigourney weave a fly an
Speaker 2: X wing without seeing your face signature on it that
Speaker 2: huge Aaron how much?
Speaker 1: What percentage?
Speaker 3: Too much?
Speaker 1: Dave Filoni in this movie?
Speaker 3: Was it for you? I mean I didn't need any
Speaker 3: of him he worked on the movie behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: than I didn't need.
Speaker 1: His vision, and I can see that I didn't either,
Speaker 1: But like I appreciate because of what he's done for
Speaker 1: this I and these characters, like, sure, you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna take a liberty, that's fine, but like, did I
Speaker 1: need him? No?
Speaker 4: I didn't need.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to formulate a thought and I don't know
Speaker 5: if I truly agree with this, but I think about
Speaker 5: like stan Lee. Whenever stan Lee was in a Marvel movie,
Speaker 5: he was a joke. He was there quickly, he was
Speaker 5: there for comedic relieve and we move on. He never
Speaker 5: Stanley was never trying to be cool in his cameos,
Speaker 5: and I feel like Dave is trying to be cool.
Speaker 1: Okay, now these characters talking about let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: Jason saying one of.
Speaker 1: Dave's characters is a six foot six like cool looking
Speaker 1: brownie hunter.
Speaker 3: With trying to be kung loud with the hat, trying
Speaker 3: to be kung loud.
Speaker 1: With the hat, and then the second Dame Filoni live
Speaker 1: action character is named what is a trapper trapper wolf
Speaker 1: and is and is wearing the cool guy hat and.
Speaker 2: Is a stone ass name. Man, come on, you can
Speaker 2: make like the cool that's illegal.
Speaker 4: I just think it's too much.
Speaker 1: It's just sorry, Okay, I agree with you, Erin. I
Speaker 1: think that there's an I think there's an attempt to
Speaker 1: be cool that makes this more cringe worthy than even
Speaker 1: it would be Joelle, sorry you no, no.
Speaker 4: No, You're speaking truth to power and we need to
Speaker 4: hear it. I listen. So after walking out of this movie,
Speaker 4: I was buzzing. I was having a good time with
Speaker 4: cha hating my friends. I was like, this feels strangely
Speaker 4: like a return to form for Star Wars. I mentioned
Speaker 4: to the top of this feels like we're getting back
Speaker 4: to the og kind of like original trilogy Star Wars.
Speaker 2: With realization, B movie, silly space.
Speaker 4: Accessible to everybody, like kills are like mostly against creatures, Like.
Speaker 2: Well, we're homework, Isaiah had no homework.
Speaker 4: You do not need to know anything going in. All
Speaker 4: of that is really great. And you know, coming off Mall,
Speaker 4: which I was not a fan of. But again, I
Speaker 4: think it's okay because I think Star Wars is for
Speaker 4: the kids. That's where I'm at, guys, and I think
Speaker 4: Dave Felony understands.
Speaker 2: That and act so they're gonna be more open to it.
Speaker 4: Did enjoy Mall it hit with them? I think this
Speaker 4: is going to hit with them. So usually take your
Speaker 4: kids this weekend if you guys have time and you
Speaker 4: know a theater that's accessible to you. It's just such
Speaker 4: a good time. And I think the Ryan Gossling vehicle
Speaker 4: coming up is going to solidify like what the direction
Speaker 4: is we're going with Star Wars. I'm hoping that's still
Speaker 4: all ages accessible, but a little more mature than.
Speaker 2: What we got kid here, So fingers crossed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like buying that balance is going to be really important.
Speaker 4: But I think Dave Filoni might be good for Star Wars, guys,
Speaker 4: And I mean that beyond you know, I know it's
Speaker 4: been a rough transition from the animated to the live action.
Speaker 4: There's a learning curve there. He did not come from
Speaker 4: live action. That's a really hard weap to make. But
Speaker 4: when we get down to like brass tacks of like
Speaker 4: what is Star Wars? What makes Star Wars good? Where
Speaker 4: does it hit? How do we keep it going long,
Speaker 4: Jefty wise, this is a guy who cares so deeply,
Speaker 4: not just about his own creations, but about like the
Speaker 4: deep lore of this series. You know, I think, like
Speaker 4: I was saying earlier, like Rada is not a new character.
Speaker 4: Rada comes from the Clone Wars. So like, I just think,
Speaker 4: if you're the kind of person who always like deep
Speaker 4: lore and connecting. In other words, a Star Wars fan,
Speaker 4: Day's gonna keep that going for you. And it makes
Speaker 4: me excited. I think he figured it out and with
Speaker 4: John Favreau at his side, sort of helped smooth over
Speaker 4: the like live action situation. My heart hopes they have it.
Speaker 4: I think they got it.
Speaker 2: I also do want to say I think that some
Speaker 2: of I think another reason to go check this movie
Speaker 2: out is I think some of the critiques that even
Speaker 2: we had about how the movie and the TV show
Speaker 2: look really similar. After watching the Lanterns trailer today, I
Speaker 2: realized that this actually might be a recurring issue where
Speaker 2: these studios are putting so much money into these TV
Speaker 2: shows that the TV shows are looking equivalent to what
Speaker 2: we would see in a cinema, but it's not the
Speaker 2: same experience, And then that makes people feel like the
Speaker 2: cinema experience is being cheaper, and that is why I'm
Speaker 2: starting to wonder, because actually there is stuff in here
Speaker 2: that looks great in the cinema, but it is arguably
Speaker 2: very similar to what we see on TV, right And
Speaker 2: I saw with the Lanterns trailer there was stuff in
Speaker 2: there where I was like that shit looks like the
Speaker 2: c doa Man like and it's but I can see
Speaker 2: it's also expensive, but it also looks just as good
Speaker 2: as Superman. So it's like, how do you work this?
Speaker 2: It's the thing of wanting to raise TV to the
Speaker 2: quality of film, but not necessarily understanding if that would
Speaker 2: change people's perception of what film is. This is an
Speaker 2: early take.
Speaker 3: I think that there is a thing.
Speaker 1: I think there is a thing we're seeing David Klein,
Speaker 1: who is the cinematographer of a bunch of Mandalorian episodes
Speaker 1: in a bunch of TV and is the cinematographer man
Speaker 1: Lauren Gurgu. You know, he's taking his marching orders from
Speaker 1: from uh Favreau. So I don't want to act like
Speaker 1: this is a dig against him. My feeling on Favreau
Speaker 1: movies is they're always too well lit, a great too smooth.
Speaker 1: They're just I can see everything, and I don't need
Speaker 1: to see everything, like every I can see all the
Speaker 1: way to the back of the of the scene, and
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need that all the time.
Speaker 4: Definitely. I think about like the.
Speaker 1: Original Trilogy, like the deep shadows in so many of
Speaker 1: those scenes, the way the dark and the light were
Speaker 1: hard contrasted, and that's just not Favreau's thing. You think
Speaker 1: of Iron Man, you think of Elf, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like very very well lit, brightly lit scenes. That's so
Speaker 1: all of which is to say, I think that there
Speaker 1: is a kind of cross pollination between like TV lighting
Speaker 1: and traditional movie lighting, and there's this kind of cross
Speaker 1: pollination going on where to your point, I think TV
Speaker 1: looks way better than it ever did you know when
Speaker 1: we were growing up watching TV, And that has influenced
Speaker 1: because there's so many people now coming up through the
Speaker 1: TV pipeline movies and coming back and doing TV. I
Speaker 1: think it's influenced the way just video writ large looks,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's always for the better
Speaker 1: of fireways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just no. I love that actually, because this is
Speaker 2: a very realistic truth about technology and television. Because also
Speaker 2: there is just unexpected responses and emotional reactions that humans
Speaker 2: have to different kinds of ways things look right. So
Speaker 2: do you remember like when they made everything HD and
Speaker 2: suddenly watching like Days of Our Lives and it looks
Speaker 2: like you're in the room with them and it's really surreal,
Speaker 2: and it's like it doesn't feel like you're watching TV
Speaker 2: anymore because it's too clear. Right, So when they were
Speaker 2: making HD, they could never have conceived that that would
Speaker 2: be a lot of people's reactions to it and it
Speaker 2: would change the experience. So I also think that that
Speaker 2: cross pollination. They couldn't really see how it would make
Speaker 2: people maybe reconsider certain films, not all films obviously, but
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting because also that you know
Speaker 2: a lot of people it looks like a streaming movie.
Speaker 2: It looks like a movie that would go straight to
Speaker 2: streaming on Netflix. Did it well, Yeah, because it cost
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think it does have a
Speaker 2: higher quality, but it cost one hundred and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2: That's actually a lot of Netflix streaming movies too. So
Speaker 2: we're in a weird kind of cycle now with it.
Speaker 1: Let's end with this What the fuck happened? To the
Speaker 1: super Bowl trailer, Like, this movie looks.
Speaker 4: Good, there's great action scenes in it.
Speaker 1: How is it just that the CG render was like
Speaker 1: that late and they didn't have enough to hearing make
Speaker 1: a good I'm gonna tell you when was it ninety
Speaker 1: months before the movie? And I and that was the thing, like,
Speaker 1: if this is the lowest debuting Star Wars property over
Speaker 1: a four day weekend, it is partially because of the
Speaker 1: absolutely shit rollout of this film. Yeah it happened.
Speaker 2: I agree. I so I from what we've read and
Speaker 2: like from what we've had, they actually thought that was
Speaker 2: gonna be like a huge hit, Like they just thought
Speaker 2: it was gonna bang for people. I don't even think.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they didn't just release a thirty
Speaker 2: seconds one shot of that opening fight scene. People would
Speaker 2: have lost their minds by your tickets now or whatever,
Speaker 2: But like it just blows my mind, Aaron, what do
Speaker 2: you think, Like, how did they end up with that concept?
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I had one of my questions
Speaker 5: was before this movie where they worried about people not
Speaker 5: caring about Mando and Grogu anymore. Was that something that
Speaker 5: like they felt like, oh, we had this ground swell
Speaker 5: of approval rating for Grogu at the end of season one,
Speaker 5: like he was the most profitable piece of you know,
Speaker 5: merch for any Disney property.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know that for sure.
Speaker 5: I'm just like brainstorming that out, but yeah, yeah, Heed.
Speaker 5: I wonder if they were worried about his appeal at
Speaker 5: this point because season three didn't do particularly well, or
Speaker 5: because Bookabobaet didn't do particularly well, and it maybe feels
Speaker 5: like they spent the marketing time just to remind you, like, hey,
Speaker 5: these two are cute together. Don't forget about this. Like, look,
Speaker 5: there are these two people riding uh, you know.
Speaker 2: The but me and Ian were literally like, how did
Speaker 2: they not cut a good trailer from this movie? I
Speaker 2: could caught a banger trailer for you guys.
Speaker 4: You guys, let me tell you. Here's what happened. There
Speaker 4: was a marketing meeting and they were like, we're gonna
Speaker 4: partner with somebody for the Super Bowl. And they're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, you guys, we got the clients. Ste horses.
Speaker 4: It's America's favorite. They're on this. They've been in the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl for decades. It's always Clydesville Horses. It's one
Speaker 4: of the commercials people look out for. And now Mandu
Speaker 4: gro we did it. That's amazing. That was full stop.
Speaker 4: Their first thought on that too. I think if we
Speaker 4: had seen Rada and again I loved this movie. Does
Speaker 4: not look good in some scenes. No faces in.
Speaker 1: General look weird and.
Speaker 4: Chara to one of these, don't think you. I honestly
Speaker 4: think they were like, we cannot show this extremely main
Speaker 4: character definitely that much, or there's going to be the
Speaker 4: discourse that we I mean, we just got a punisher
Speaker 4: one line killed in that fall is all anybody can
Speaker 4: talk about. When the CG is bad, there's going to
Speaker 4: be conversations. And for Disney, who's doing layofs around that time,
Speaker 4: it's not a great time to be like pushing out
Speaker 4: your bad cgs.
Speaker 5: Okay, but respectfully pushing back on that entirely. The commercial
Speaker 5: doesn't feature the horses. It features CGI tantons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're.
Speaker 5: Worried about the CGI. They just highlighted the CGI with
Speaker 5: the characters that were not in the movie itself. They
Speaker 5: made them specifically for that Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Correct. I say, the marketing people respecting the idea of Clydesdale's,
Speaker 4: but it's the star Wars makeover of it, like that
Speaker 4: was the max of their thought was the top of
Speaker 4: their thought was this is commercial and they did Star Wars.
Speaker 4: We mashed them together. We are successful because that's, in
Speaker 4: my opinion, how marketing people think. I think two. And
Speaker 4: the third thing is I really think Disney struggles from
Speaker 4: time to time with like how to build suspense around
Speaker 4: properties that are simple. This is not like a really
Speaker 4: complex story. But you don't want to give a way
Speaker 4: the bag up front.
Speaker 2: Of like what BINSS movie? It's like, how do you
Speaker 2: describe it without telling people, you know what the story?
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: That's actually Joel, that's actually a really good point. They're
Speaker 1: not They're not a great other than like brute force
Speaker 1: and a burnishing of IP that people already love. They're
Speaker 1: not like a great in the way that like Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers is at like creating marketing campaigns. And and I
Speaker 1: have a Matthew some trailers in a way that like
Speaker 1: really pop and make people like.
Speaker 4: Bring back the nineties voiceover guy who would introduce your
Speaker 4: trailer to an audience, Disney, bring it back that exactly,
Speaker 4: and then and then just show me shots of Mandol
Speaker 4: suiting up grogu.
Speaker 3: That you got such a yea.
Speaker 2: To exist.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think you guys.
Speaker 1: Are for the fact that Trapper was.
Speaker 3: He's good. He's a continuing Caar.
Speaker 4: Definite Star Wars connuity. He's gonna be around.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be animated before he's gonna be there.
Speaker 4: Dave, if you want to do the Stanley thing, you
Speaker 4: gotta listen to Aaron and you gotta just do the little.
Speaker 4: He's gotta make it bigot big.
Speaker 2: It's gotta be referent.
Speaker 4: You can't be the same character every time. It's gotta
Speaker 4: be almost nonsense. Stanley's got every sketch, but there is
Speaker 4: not a through line. He is not a watcher, even
Speaker 4: though that was a theory for a while. He was
Speaker 4: just some dude in every movie and it was perfect.
Speaker 2: Just be and I guess what, I'm gonna reveal something
Speaker 2: for you. Really, it's because he had a contract that
Speaker 2: paid him like a million dollars a year to be
Speaker 2: what they called a Chaman emeritus, which was like a
Speaker 2: representative of Marvel in the wider world. So also it
Speaker 2: was also like contractual.
Speaker 4: Like so Stan's days is just like a radio host.
Speaker 4: She was just like man I love Marvel, do more
Speaker 4: of that, even like get out of the center of
Speaker 4: the movie, though, that is not gonna look well.
Speaker 2: For all the critiques of Stanley that we've talked about
Speaker 2: many times on this podcast, we always say he was
Speaker 2: a fantastic advocate for comics and an incredible editor. Dave
Speaker 2: Feloney be an advocate for Star Wars. Be out there
Speaker 2: wearing your little hat at D twenty three talking about
Speaker 2: Gray Jedi or whatever. But like, don't be don't be in,
Speaker 2: don't know, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Enough, Well, the Mandalorian and grogu out. Now you have
Speaker 1: kids who love Star Wars, go take a take them
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 4: I love it. It's it's a fun movie.
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Speaker 1: On the next episodes of X ray Vision, we're diving
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