1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: generation warfare. 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and form a Navy 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: intelligence vetteran This. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: Is Human Events with your host Jack Pasovic. 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: Deliver us from evil Ladies, Jole, and welcome on board 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: today's special edition Human Events special that we are doing 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: regarding the power structures that govern America and really govern 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: what we call the Globalist American Empire or the Anglo 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: American regime, the globalist regime. We can see the news 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: every day, we can see the day to day, but 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: what's driving the news? Who are the power players that 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: are actually making the moves on the higher level chessboard, 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: on the higher plane that we can only from time 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: to time get a glimpse of. One man has made 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: it his mission to expose these power players, and specifically 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: to expose their interest in censoring the Internet. Because what's 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: amazing about what most people will focus on is they'll 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: say they're anti censorship. But what Mike Ben's does is 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: explain why they are censoring you. 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: Mike Ben's joins us now here on Human Events, and. 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: Mike, would you say that's a good description of explaining 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're not just saying you're anti censorship, 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: you're explaining why the censorship is happening. 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right. You know, when I first started 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: on this crusade to try to preserve free speech on 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: the Internet six or seven years ago, I think I, 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: like everybody else, thought of this as being a sort 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: of purely domestic or political thing. You know, you look 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: up and you see the ADL as promoting censorship, or 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: the SPLC or you know, pink Cared anti gendered feminists 32 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: with NYU degrees, and it's very easy to see that 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: low level and be like, well, that who's censoring us? 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: But then the deeper you get into it, and who's 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: behind them, and who's funding them and the organizations they're 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: part of, or who's making the censorship decision making. At 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: the higher level, you start to see basically the shape 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: of the machine you're truly up against. And you know, 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: this what we'll be talking about today, I think, is 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: about what that structure is, how it got installed in 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: the first place, and really what can be done at 42 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: this point to try to begin to take it on. 43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: Well, and there's actually something that happened, and as we 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: record this, you know it's a couple of weeks ago now, 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: but so I go on and I'm doing a hit 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: with Alex Jones, who's just been brought back to the 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: X platform, with Elon Musk, Alex, Elon and myself and 48 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: a coterie of murderer's row of individuals. I would say, 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: went and did an X space and then Alex and 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: I were doing a hit a couple of days later, 51 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: and we were talking about the need to pay attention, 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: very close attention to the Ukraine War conflict because of 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: the danger of sliding into World War three. And I said, 54 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: look at the moves that NATO is making. They just 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: installed a and the globalists are making. They just installed 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: a globalist prime minister in Poland. That prime minister is 57 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: now calling for mobilization of the Western nations against Russia 58 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: militarily in in That's his name is Donald Tusk. He 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: was the former president of the EU, the European Council. 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Now we see the new chancel of Germany, Olav Schultz, 61 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: calling for emergency sessions and emergent a state of emergency 62 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: in Germany along these same lines, allowing for unlimited spending, 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: and so Alex and then of course you know, you know, 64 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: Lloyd Austin and Joe Biden. They're calling for more and 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: more belligerent actions towards Russia and the mobilization in native forces. 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: So we put out a tweet that says it seems 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: like NATO is mobilizing for war with Russia. We get 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: fact checked community noted on x by by the community 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: of its team. But then we noticed the citation that 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: we're given is NATO. And when I peel back the 71 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: layers of so many of these censorship organizations, the Ministries 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: of Truth that were found out there, Nini Yankovich, people 73 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: like these, the Color Revolutions arenas like Nina Yankovich. Suddenly 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: we find all of these disturbing ties to NATO, to 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: the neocons, the neolibs, this Trotskyist alliance that has somehow 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: infiltrated our government, and they're all pushing Internet censorship. And 77 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: I said, I got to ask Mike Ben's about this. 78 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 1: Why am I getting censored by NATO? 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: Yes, So to understand how NATO got into the censorship industry, 80 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: it sort of helps to start to see how NATO 81 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: got involved in the Internet in the first place, and 82 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: then went from being about free speech to being about censorship. 83 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: So if you recall, the Internet started as a military project. 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: It was created by DARPA in the nineteen sixties, and 85 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: its first use case was helping the military manage social 86 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: science research data on the populations that it was managing 87 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: overseas with our overseas empire, our globalist American empire, which 88 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: we've had since eighteen ninety eight, when we took the 89 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: Philippines and mostly Cuba from the Spanish. 90 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: Have capt Cuba, that's another story. 91 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: We kept a little bit of fight, that's right, we did. 92 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: But the Internet was then privatized in nineteen ninety one, 93 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: and immediately was it was military terrain for the purpose 94 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: of helping foreign dissident bloggers and news sources on the 95 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: Internet be able to evade state controls over media in 96 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: countries that NATO was trying to topple. So, for example, 97 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: when NATO got involved in Serbia and Yugoslavia in nineteen 98 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: ninety five to nineteen ninety nine, one of the things 99 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: the State Department and the CIA and the National Endama 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: for Democracy we're doing. We're training Serbian political activists who 101 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: are trying to get rid of slovanon Melosovich to use 102 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: the Internet to set up blogs and to set up 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: Web one sites to spread basically pro State Department propaganda 104 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: around overthrowing that country's government. 105 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: And additionally bombed the Serbian Media Center because they specifically 106 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: said that it was it was putting out information that 107 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: was in contrivance of NATO's war plans. 108 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Totally, totally, So the military has understood the paramount importance 109 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: of media, especially in color revolutions. It's totally so. The 110 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: military has understood the paramount importance of media, especially in 111 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 2: color revolutions. There's really two ways to overthrow a government, 112 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: and this is what you know the Anglo American Empire 113 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: has been doing. You know that Lawrence of Arabia, for example, 114 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: is about the British covert ops essentially to rally the 115 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: people of a country to overthrow their government's. 116 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: At that point it was the Arabs and the Ottomans. 117 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So there's two ways to basically pull off 118 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: a revolution. One of them is you go to the 119 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: military of that country and you get a certain critical 120 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: mass of their generals to defect, and so he who 121 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: has the guns essentially makes the rules, so to speak. 122 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: And uh so you can have a military coup. But 123 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: then you know, starting with the Brits, but then really 124 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: the the there was American innovation poured into it. After 125 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: World War Two. There was there was a second strategy 126 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: that was devised to be able to topple governance, which 127 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: it involved having it be a people powered rather than 128 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: a military powered revolution. If enough people within the country 129 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: took to the streets and destabilized it, and the people 130 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: from the trade unions took to the streets, and the 131 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: and the criminals who were prosecuted by that country's legal 132 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: system took to the streets, and the and the drug dealers, 133 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: and the and the the fringe minority groups who feel persecuted, 134 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: and the media personalities and the people who run the 135 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: railroads and everybody shuts down the country essentially, and then 136 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: January sixth them if it was what it was advertised, 137 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: so to speak, the end stages of color revolution look 138 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: remarkably like what we were told January sixth was. 139 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: And so far as I would say, by the way, 140 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: the most probably the most recognizable color revolutions that Americans, 141 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: at least in the modern age would be familiar with 142 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: is the Arab Spring. 143 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: Yes, well, that was the culmination of free speech on 144 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: the Internet in the eyes of the Blob, the Foreign 145 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: policy Blob. 146 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: And everybody talks about how it was all driven by 147 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: Twitter one point zero. 148 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: Yes, right, exactly, and it really was the high water 149 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: mark of the test case of free speech as a 150 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: military instrument in the eyes of the military industrial Complex 151 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: and the State Department and the CIA. You had, you know, 152 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: during the Arab Spring. This is twenty ten to twenty twelve. 153 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: One by one, all of the adversary governments that were 154 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: hostile to the US State Department were toppled by their 155 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: own people. Is how it was sold to Tunisia, Egypt, several others. 156 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: But they were all organized on Facebook and Twitter, using 157 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: hashtags and Facebook rallying of all. It was an internet 158 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: organized revolution. 159 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: Right, and they even try to spill this over into 160 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: Iran at the same time, the Green Revolution. 161 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: Yes, no, exactly. And in fact, the State Department's Jared Cohen, 162 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: who worked in the Policy Planning Staff, which is the 163 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: interstitial link between the CIA and the State Department. It's 164 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,359 Speaker 2: how we synchronize overt and covert diplomacy. 165 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,359 Speaker 1: The inter agency, the interagency. I always do that, the interagency. 166 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: I like that you know, so Jared Cohen made a 167 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: personal phone call in two thousand and nine, the year 168 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: before the riots kicked off. Twitter had wanted to do 169 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: this temporary shutdown for maintenance on the site that happened 170 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: to coincide with the forty eight hour lead up to 171 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: the Iranian election, but Twitter was unaware when it announced 172 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: its scheduled maintenance that the State Department and the CIA 173 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: we're running an operation to have Iranian dissidence promote the 174 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: alternative to Achmadinajad, and so Jared Cohen from the State 175 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: Department made a personal call to Twitter to keep the 176 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: site open, and Twitter complied. Now Jared Cohen would then 177 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: go on to after he left the State Department to 178 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: join Google and specifically Google Jigsaw, which created the first 179 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: AI censorship super weapons that now allow tens of millions 180 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: of tweets and Facebook posts and YouTube videos to be 181 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: shut down instantly using essentially word embeddings. This is a 182 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: technique that Jared Cohen's team developed at Jigsaw, and he 183 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: was actually the person who made that phone call to 184 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: facilitate regime change in Iran. Just a buffer your point there, 185 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 2: but essentially what happened after everything was looking sky high 186 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: for free speech on the Internet from nineteen ninety one 187 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: until twenty twelve twenty thirteen, and then a funny thing 188 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: happened on the way to the Kun Ukraine in twenty fourteen, 189 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: when the Maidan Kup happened. Then this was again a 190 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: US UK NATO orchestrated coup. Victoria Newland was handing out 191 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: cookies and water bottles to the right sector throngs who 192 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: January sixth democratically elected President Yanikovich out of office in 193 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: Ukraine after getting five billion dollars worth of collective funding 194 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: from the State Department US eight and the National DOWMA 195 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: for democracy. After that coup in February March twenty fourteen, 196 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: there was a counter coup. Much of it is alleged 197 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: to be sort of Russia backstopped, but the Crimea annexation happened, 198 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: where the people who lived in Crimea voluntarily voted in 199 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: a referendum to join the Russian Federation, and the Luhanskin 200 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: done that to the eastern provinces there in Ukraine basically 201 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: broke away. They declared themselves breakaway states not subject to 202 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: the sort of US embassy run Kiev government. And when 203 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: that happened. They're NATO freaked out and said, oh my god, 204 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: these people are reading Russia today online. They're listen, they're 205 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: reading Sputnik. They're in their own Facebook groups, they have 206 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: their own Twitter personalities. Oh my god, they have their 207 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: own independent media system. And that's why they didn't go 208 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: along with the coup. We need the military to be 209 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: much more forceful in its in its control over media. 210 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: So they started with these NATO Centers of Excellence and 211 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: this NATO censorship infrastructure. NATO linked up with the Atlantic Council, 212 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: which is seven CIA directors currently on its board. Seven 213 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: former number one heads of the CIA are all on 214 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: the board of the Atlantic Council, which is essentially a 215 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: sister group of the National Dowman for Democracy, which is 216 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: which is our top CIA cutout. The Atlanta Council also 217 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: has a had a formal partnership with Barisma to funnel 218 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: deal flow, essentially using the battering of NATO to coerce 219 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: favorable Ministry of Foreign Affair actions towards these Ukrainian gas companies, 220 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: including the US State Department. And so you had NATO 221 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: begin to say, you know. 222 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: What, But I think there was another another angle that 223 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Barisma took in terms of currying favor with the US government. 224 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: There was some government official and they put their put 225 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: their son on his Can you remember on the board 226 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: someone there was a name. 227 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: I'm it escaped me. I'm so sorry. 228 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: I apologize to the fans. I apologize to the millions 229 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: listening out there. Benz, I don't know what can I say? 230 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Man in the biz sometimes those names the sun he 231 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: was like the vice president or something. I can't remember, 232 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: probably not, probably not at all. 233 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: And you know, not only was it, you know, a 234 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 2: hunter who shall not be named, but it was also 235 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: Cooper Black, who had spent thirty years in the CIA 236 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: and received the State Department's highest Medal of Distinction. 237 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: And served on Romney's psidential campaign. 238 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: Yes, the Daily Beast described him as Mitt Romney's shirpa 239 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: to the Central Intelligence Agency and then Hunter. Biden himself 240 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: served on the advisory board of the National Democratic Institute, 241 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: which is the DNC branch of the National Doma for Democracy, 242 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: which is I'm discussed is our premier CIA cut out. 243 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: So the intelligence fingerprints were all over the Ukraine operation 244 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: and the natural pipeline story, seizing the gas pipelines from 245 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: Russia and basically paying off Houston and London gas companies 246 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: where gas Prom used to make those profits. But essentially 247 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: what happened is NATO said, wait a second, Wait a second. 248 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: We've always looked at the Internet like free speech is 249 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: a good thing. Because the Internet has always been under 250 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: our control, We've always been able to use this to 251 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: create insurgencies, to overthrow governments. Jared Cohen himself, what I 252 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, described the Internet as essentially a color revolution 253 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: steroid injection that you could basically, you know, you could, 254 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: you could quickly and immediately do what used to take 255 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: decades in terms of going running operations out of CIA 256 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: station houses or embassies or consulates and manually meeting with 257 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: every leader and having to bribe every person on a 258 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: one by one basis instead of aggregating everybody under a 259 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: common messaging rally, evading state control over media and just 260 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: having it all organized publicly like that. But the issue was, well. 261 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: I've got to throw out there. 262 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: So the counter coup happens in Ukraine, but then there's 263 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: another counter coup that happens in another country in twenty 264 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: sixteen that drives them absolutely insane. And that's when people, 265 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: some of whom served in that same intelligence community, took 266 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: those very same tactics and took those very same techniques 267 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: and applied them to the United States and applied them 268 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: to us social media people like myself, people like my 269 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: friend Douglas Mackie, who has been charging sentence seven months 270 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: for the power of memes, because we took all of 271 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: those tactics and applied them to a populist uprising in 272 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: the United States, which culminated in the election of Donald J. 273 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: Trump. 274 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So you had this NATO censorship infrastructure 275 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: in central and Eastern Europe. You know this was not 276 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: for you. 277 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Oh, you're not supposed to do that. 278 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: We're the only ones who are supposed to be allowed 279 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: to do that, right right, Yeah, you know. 280 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: I mean we've been playing games in German elections since, 281 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: you know, since since the day we're two ended. But 282 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: when when the Brexit referendum happened in June twenty sixteen, 283 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: the NATO censorship apparatus moved westward to the UK and 284 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: you had the UK Foreign Office and GHQ and the 285 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: British Mastery of Defense and I six and this whole 286 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: Richard Dearlove group that would then go on to basically 287 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: create Russia Gate with these with this you know, fake dossier. 288 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: That was right, which is why Christopher Steele comes out 289 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: of London exactly exactly. So it moved westward with Rexit 290 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: to the UK and then when five months later Trump 291 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: was elected, that was it. There was now a total 292 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: US UK Brussels consensus that we needed that the Internet 293 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: now had to adopt a where started as a free 294 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: speech model because free speech was good for us. Now 295 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: free speech was backfiring because Rerexit was an Internet phenomenon. 296 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: Nigel Farage was only a household name because of his 297 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: YouTube videos making fun of you know, Herman van Rumpoy 298 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: and European Parliament videos. That's how he got most of 299 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: his play. 300 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: I'd love that video. I still watch that video. I 301 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: watch it for power. I watch it before we do 302 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: the show. I watched it this morning right after I 303 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: met Rosary. But no, right, so you get Nigel Farage 304 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: and then you get and you get with with the 305 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: power of like people like Raheem Cassam at the time. 306 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: Then you get Trump with the power people online like 307 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: I said Douglas Mackie raheem again myself. And suddenly you're 308 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: starting to see this younger generation apply these same things 309 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: that we've learned and we've seen other people do to 310 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: the Internet that say, hey, we could use these for 311 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: domestic politics, and it turns out that they're really really effective. 312 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're incredibly effective, and they're on the Internet because 313 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: it was always w after W so to speak for 314 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: the military industrial complex. From nineteen ninety one until twenty 315 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: fourteen through sixteen, there was no Operation mocking Bird style 316 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: control apparatus to serve as a gatekeeper to contain narratives 317 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: or high profile. There was no Operation mocking Bird style 318 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: control apparatus to serve as a gatekeeper to contain narratives 319 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: or high profile In. 320 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: The twenty sixteen election, I'll give you grea example of this. 321 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: In the twenty sixteen election, if you went to YouTube, 322 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: the number one news channel on all of YouTube was 323 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: Alex Jones Info Wars, Right, So Alex Jones was considered like, like, whatever, 324 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: we don't need to worry about that guy we've got 325 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: because they've already got the Mockingbird mainstream media, so they said, 326 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about this stuff. 327 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 3: Who cares about Alex Jones. 328 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: It was Alex Jones and young Turks and they were 329 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: always going back and forth, and that was it. 330 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex Jones had more on the On the day 331 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: that he was he assassinated. In twenty eighteen, his channel 332 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: had more views than CNN's on YouTube. One man, one 333 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: independent media personality, you know, grew to be bigger than 334 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: the mega behemoth broadcast company that George Bush personally put 335 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: on airplanes to propagandize the Gulf War. So, you know, 336 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: this is it. At that point, gatekeepers were needed. You 337 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: needed essentially a digital mockingbird operation, and from twenty seventeen 338 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: to through you know, basically the twenty twenty election, twenty 339 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 2: twenty two. Obviously it continues today, but you had NATO 340 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: declared this new doctrine, which Stoltenberg articulated as from tanks 341 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: to tweets, we need to no longer think about the 342 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: You can find in this video on YouTube where he's 343 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: articulating this doctrine and all the NATO twenty thirty white 344 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 2: papers about how we need to reorient NATO's capacity from 345 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: being primarily focused on the military to being intensely focused 346 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: on the media because the nature of war has changed. 347 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: This is before the twenty twenty two military outbreak in Ukraine. 348 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 2: At the time, all the military theoreticians and all the 349 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 2: US Army War College, everyone was saying, you know what, 350 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: kinetic wars dead. It's now all moved to hearts and minds, 351 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: control over who gets elected. That's what war is about now. 352 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: Because they were looking at things from the perspective of 353 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 2: Crimea in eastern Ukraine and trying to penetrate so called 354 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: authoritarian countries in these color revolution type models, and so 355 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 2: you had billions of dollars pour into this. You had 356 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: the universities all onboarded had you had the doctrinal shift, 357 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: as I mentioned, from tanks to tweets, meeting, we're no 358 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 2: longer just focusing on primarily focusing on tanks, NATO's primarily 359 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: folks on tweets. And then you had the government roles. 360 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: You know, this was the same network. It was the 361 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: Atlantic Council who came up with what they called the 362 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: Forward Defense Blueprint. Know, they couldn't call it offense, they 363 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: had to call it forward defense. You know, it's incredible, 364 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: but they were the ones who came up with the 365 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: idea to have the Department of Homeland Security to have 366 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: a permanent domestic censorship capacity. 367 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: Which, by the way, I'll throw out there other point 368 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: of the reason that they need censorship is because whenever 369 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: they try to prop up their own inorganic or artificial 370 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: type of you. 371 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: Know, promotion arm they're horrible at it. They're so bad 372 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: at tweets. 373 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: You get these really terrible like Lord of the Rings 374 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: Harry Potter references that are just bad. And then you 375 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: get these extremely cringe NATO backed online organizations like the 376 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: NAFO fellas, and they're just absolutely nuts. They're so faked, 377 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: they're so artificial, and just just truly disgusting. And so 378 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: when you know, when when they realize how much these 379 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: things call always fall flat on their face, they just 380 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: turned to censorship because that's the only thing that they've 381 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: found that can really stop our side, my side, from 382 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: getting out. 383 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, if they weren't cringe, we would be screwed, I 384 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: mean exactly. To sum it up, I mean, you ever 385 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: see that picture of the New Ireland, you know, Ministry 386 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: of Truth z are you know the totally you know, 387 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: the guy looks like he's straight out of the goonies. Yeah, 388 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, so I. 389 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: Mean that's yeah, like a guy who should be locked 390 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: in the basement somewhere right to scare little children or 391 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: something that is kind of like. 392 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: Their level when it comes to, you know, psychological persuasion, 393 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: they fixate on so hard. I when I first started 394 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: being in these people's zoom calls and create, you know, 395 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: because a lot of this stuff they were doing in 396 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: the open. In twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, I was working 397 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 2: on a book and a documentary about them. So I 398 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: would spend my whole day just inside their own conversation 399 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: and inside their own you know, YouTube videos and things 400 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: like that. And I would listen to these things and 401 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: I'd go to one of their YouTube things they would 402 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: have like forty two views, and this would have like 403 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: Michael Hayden would be in there, and Jen Stoltenberg would 404 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: be in there, and you know, the German Minister of 405 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs would be in there. You'd have all of 406 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: these absolute heavyweights of what makes the world turn. And 407 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: they would introduce the conference with we're using this hashtag 408 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: and please like and share this video, and you know, 409 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: we want to. 410 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: You know, and it goes nowhere. 411 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: It's like it's like I'm looking this thing. Three weeks later, 412 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: it's got forty two views. You know, my kid's sister 413 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: could make a video about pizza pie and get you know, 414 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: one hundred exodus and so. But that also compounds the 415 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: terror from their perspective, which is their feeling of utter 416 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: helplessness unless they censor, because they can't organically promote these 417 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 2: dog water ideas. 418 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: Well, well, let me let me pause there because we're 419 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: hitting about the halfway mark here, and so you've explained, 420 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: so this is why said is censoring. But here's the 421 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: other question. What is setting the agenda of NATO? What 422 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: makes them so desperate to want to do this? What 423 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: are the forces behind them? And you've talked about this before, 424 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: the Yankee cowboy alliance that drives American foreign interest, And 425 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if you could take some time, got about 426 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: twenty minutes left to just really pick into what this is. 427 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's a fascinating concept that I sort of came 428 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: across while trying to do research for the book I've 429 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: been writing, which is this is a concept that came 430 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: out of sort of left wing populous who were supporters 431 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: of JFK and were bewildered at how to try to 432 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: piece together the political forces behind his assassination. This is 433 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: sort of the origins of this thing called the Yankee 434 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: Cowboy theory, and let me sketch it out first. So 435 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: there's a concept coined by this guy, Carl Ogelsby and 436 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: picked up by p Dale Scott and these other sort 437 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: of nineteen sixties nineteen seventies left wing researchers that American 438 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: power is basically divided into two competing factions, one called 439 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: the Yankees and one called the Cowboys. Now, the Yankees 440 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: are comprised of this Northeast corridor set, the establishment set 441 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: that had existed since before America's founding. It's basically the 442 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: linkage between New York City and London. It's high finance, 443 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: it's certain high tech industries, and it's essentially started out 444 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: as being these a cluster of small of small powerful 445 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: families in the Northeast, and that we today sort of 446 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: think of as being sort of the coasts, if you will, 447 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: the coastal power structures. We now sort of think of California, 448 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: for example, as sort of being a Yankee faction. It 449 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: was not at the time in the nineteen sixties and seventies, 450 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: because at the time, California was a red state and 451 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: the military industrial complex was was before it moved to 452 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: Arlington in the eighties with Reagan, it was out west. 453 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: So you had this Northeast corridor Yankee power faction which 454 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: was which was essentially banking and finance, and then you 455 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: had a second power structure which was mostly that would 456 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: start out as the Southern Rim, and it was it 457 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: was called the Cowboys. This is what the theory sort 458 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: of posits, and and the Southern Rim basically stretching you know, 459 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: from from the South down through Florida into Texas, and 460 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 2: then at the time it was conceived of as as 461 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: stretching into California, although now I think it's easier to 462 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: understand California as being a firmly Yankee thing. But essentially 463 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: the Cowboys power base was in the military and the 464 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: energy sphere and in certain other industrial sectors like like agriculture, 465 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: and you essentially had money as the power from the 466 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: from the Yankees, and muscle is the power from the Cowboys, 467 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: and and these these sort of early theory titsions of 468 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: this of this concept you know, talked about how you know, 469 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: in the in the early days of our country, you 470 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: had this split between the North and the South. You know, 471 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: in the Civil War, you had you had, you know, 472 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: the the Yankee you know, Abe Lincoln and the sort 473 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: of cowboy Ulysses s Grant factions, and how the Yankees 474 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: sort of well. 475 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: They're the agrarians, right, the cotton, the plantation, the plantation, 476 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, just just dynasties down there. 477 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and so the Cowboy faction exactly, it started 478 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: out as being agriculture, and it had some of a 479 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: military touch point in so far as when we declared 480 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: the Monroe Doctrine in eighteen twenty three, the US effectively 481 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: took over South America and those and big Sugar was 482 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 2: essentially the predecessor to big oil, and big Tech is 483 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: now sort of the successor to big oil. But you know, 484 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: our empire went from being sort of big sugar, big 485 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: AG to big oil, big gas, to big tech. That's 486 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: kind of been the succession of our of our power 487 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: projection in many respects. And much of that Big AG 488 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: was it was a cowboy thing, if you will, because 489 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: you had these agricultural companies who effectively took over South America. 490 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 2: The concept of a banana republic that we that we 491 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 2: think of as a dysfunctional third world you know, country's 492 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: rundown way of running a government is actually comes from 493 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: the concept of United Fruits Banana Territory. United Fruit was 494 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: a US company that was backed by our Department of 495 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 2: War before it was changed its name to the Department 496 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: of Defense. In the State Department, we installed essentially United 497 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: Fruit to run the governments of countries like Guatemala and 498 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: other Latin American regions. But essentially during. 499 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: The well and the Left, it was the left that 500 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: wrote all of this and everything you're citing is chapter 501 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: and verse from the old Left, and they used to 502 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: be the ones who talk about it. Now we come 503 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: in and apply this stuff to current affairs and we 504 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: get called conspiracy kooks and nuts and fringe with the 505 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: lootin pots Like. 506 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: Wait, wait, this was your book? 507 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: Go these are I'm sure you're What you're citing is 508 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: all like New Republic stuff and you know from from 509 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 1: outlets that are are no fan of conservatives. 510 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: And I'm hatching my words here because I don't want 511 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: to get called the LEFTUS I mean, but the fact is, yeah, 512 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: like it gets it actually gets worse because you know, 513 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 4: so the very sort of posits that you know, the 514 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 4: Yankees won the won the Civil War, and the Cowboys 515 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 4: sort of played this junior position role to do our 516 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 4: Yankee empire. 517 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: But then with World War Two and then there was 518 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: this huge infusion into the military industrial complex, and that 519 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: complex was concentrated with production facilities in California and in 520 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: Texas and in our in our military projection, all the 521 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: basis we have in Florida. So you had these Southern 522 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: rim entities which went from being sort of primarily agriculture 523 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: to having a tremendous energy and military capacity that that 524 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 2: now rivaled what was happening in the Northeast. Because one 525 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: of the reasons in the North won the Civil War 526 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: was because that was where the factories were to make 527 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: the cannon balls. Yeah, they had they had production capacity 528 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: and rail but when the right right, But so they 529 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 2: had they had the higher tech, and they had the military. 530 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: They had this production economy. But when the when the 531 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: Cowboy territories begun to get this big production capacity through 532 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: the military sphere and through energy because all of our 533 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: energy is basically in that Southern rim. All of our 534 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: oil and gas is you know, stretching from these How. 535 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Does this play into you know, you mentioned the Banana Republics, 536 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: So how does this play into our power projection now? 537 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: Because the Cowboy apparatus from from you can also sort 538 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: of think of the Yankees as being more like Democrats 539 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: and and the Cowboys are sort of loosely representing up 540 00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: until very recently, the Republicans. Because the Cowboy apparatus from 541 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: you can also sort of think of the Yankees as 542 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: being more like Democrats, and the Cowboys are sort of 543 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: loosely representing up until very recently, the Republicans, and we 544 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: developed this Yankee Cowboy alliance developed the ability to overthrow governments, 545 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: the Cowboy faction. We think of the Cold War from 546 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: nineteen forty up until nineteen ninety one as being about, 547 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: you know, a war on communism around around the globe 548 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: and US CIA and State Department and DD and military 549 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: capacities to basically overthrow governments that were communists to bring 550 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: them into the American Empire. And we developed playbooks to 551 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: do this, and these were networks based in sort of 552 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: Cowboy muscle and Yankee money to do it. And these 553 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: network sort of went back and forth. You know, there 554 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: was you know, the takedown of JFK was said to 555 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: be sort of a cowboy coup against the Yankees. 556 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: This happens in Texas, right. 557 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: Exactly in Dallas. And then the Nixon takedown was said 558 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: to be sort of the revenge of the Yankees seizing 559 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: power back from Nixon. And then you had the turnover 560 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: back to the cowboys with Reagan, and then the turnover 561 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: back to the Yankees with Clinton, and the. 562 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: Turns sort of like Game of Thrones, and the houses 563 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: are just sort of sharing who you know, switching out, 564 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: but it's always the high lords. And then this brings you, 565 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: This of course brings you to Trump, who doesn't have 566 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: the backing of either of these factions, and in fact 567 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: politically takes down the Clintons, who have the backing of 568 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: the Northeast faction, and then the Bushes, who are the 569 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: backing of the Texas faction, the Cowboys, and suddenly he 570 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: becomes this president who doesn't have a a mafia, if 571 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: you will, in government at that power level. And when 572 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: he looks at foreign policy and foreign power projection, he says, 573 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: what the heck are we doing in Afghanistan? 574 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: We're not getting anything out of there, there's no minerals. 575 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: Why do we Goraq to Iraq and not take the 576 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: oil because he's not operating through these power structures that 577 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about. So bringing people into the financial system 578 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: or which which by the way, is a direct threat, 579 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: faces a direct threat from bricks. This is why Russia 580 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: has been able to successfully withstand the sanctions, because they 581 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: built a parallel economy from the from the Yankees, and 582 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: the same way that they don't need the Cowboys because 583 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: they've got their own oil, so they are self sufficient. 584 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: And so in order to make countries dependent on your 585 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: power structure, you expand your empire by expanding your influence. 586 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: But Trump isn't thinking about expanding financial and energy empires. 587 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: He just wants to be a good president. And so 588 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: for the first time in years, we have a president 589 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: who's not listening to either of these factions. This, of course, 590 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: is in turn why they hate him and also why 591 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: they seek to drive him from office, which culminates in, 592 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: as we said, essentially a soft color revolution which churse 593 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: domestically in the United States in twenty twenty. 594 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. You had these two power factions, the 595 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: Yankees and Cowboys, which had been at war with each 596 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 2: other since you know, since the Civil War, and in 597 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: this you know constantly, you know, trying to coop each other, constant, 598 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: you know, trying to cooperate where they can, make money 599 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: together where they can, but always trying to jockey for 600 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: who's number one or number two. And then suddenly incomes 601 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 2: this Internet powered you know, meme magician who just sand 602 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: blasts both of them out of out of basically popular 603 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: acceptance and out of political power. And so now instead 604 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: of jockeying for number one and two, they're both you know, 605 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: would be irrelevant effectively if you had a president who 606 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: was focused on domestic priorities instead of foreign policy, who 607 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 2: was focused on the American homeland instead of the American empire. 608 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: So what happened in twenty sixteen is you basically had 609 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 2: this datante declared between the Yankee Cowboy War, and it 610 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: became the Yankee Cowboy Alliance, the Yankee Cowboy Alliance against 611 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: Trump against populism. You know, it wasn't just Trump also, 612 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: you know, as as Trump rode to power, you know, 613 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: he also wrote it on the heels of Brexit and 614 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: all over the EU. At the time, NATO was terrified 615 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: that the EU is going to fall apart because forksit 616 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: was going to happen in France, exit in Italy, gregsit 617 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: in Germany, spegs it in Spain. So the EU is 618 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: going to come undone, so NATO was going to come undone. 619 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 2: There'd be no way to enforce IMF debt. The world, 620 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: the rules based international order would all collapse. 621 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: Was by the way, as a great as a great 622 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: point to bolser what you just said there. When Zelinski 623 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: just came to the United States, he met with three 624 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 1: He met with three major power functions. So he met 625 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: with the United States political leaders right he met with 626 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: the head of the House, the head of the Senate, 627 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: and the President. He met with the military leaders. He 628 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: went and gave a speech at the NDU, the National 629 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: Defense University. And the way I met with the third entity, 630 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: the World Bank. It's like it's right there, folks, right 631 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: right in front of your face. It's as as as 632 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: Steve Vannam would say, it's not the deep state, because 633 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: it's in your face right right there. So the goal 634 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: is to make these countries dependent on your power structure, 635 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: and then you get more power. 636 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 3: It's as simple as that. And so because you have. 637 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: These entities out there that want to break out of 638 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: that power structure, or don't want to go along with this, 639 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: pushing for a rise of a multipolar world, pushing for 640 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: the rise of bricks, pushing for a powerlot country or 641 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: by the way, countries like India that are happy to 642 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: work with you, but want to maintain their own national sovereignty, 643 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: they would prefer to be nation states like Hungary, like Poland, 644 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: although the globalists are getting their hooks back into Poland 645 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: again because it's become such a threat to them. This 646 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: is why the rise of nation states is always, as 647 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: always leveled an incredible threat to this something with Trump, 648 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: by the way, and Ben's you know, I'll put you 649 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: on the spot a little bit because I've never really 650 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: said this publicly, but this is one of the reasons 651 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: that when people go to Trump, they say, what are 652 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: your power bases? And you know, because he doesn't have 653 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: the Yankees or the cowboys, so he's going to You 654 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: find a small business. You find a lot of small 655 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: to medium sized industry across the Midwest, which still exists 656 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: even though it's being choked out. 657 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 3: Honestly. You find a lot of Vegas. You find casinos. 658 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: Steve Wynn Sheldon Nagelsson when he was around then you also, 659 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: of course, like people like Dana White, and so it's 660 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: sort of this hodgepodge of other moneyed assets throughout the 661 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: United States, but not really anyone who's directly related to 662 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: either of those power structures. 663 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right. I mean it's he's basically, you know, 664 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: it's almost now the Yankees, the Cowboys and the pirates, 665 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 2: you know, i mean Trump is basically trying to look 666 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: together a little little pirate ship with a motley crew 667 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 2: of of you know, outcasts. 668 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 3: We are extremely motley, right. 669 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 2: But you know, hopefully. 670 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's that scene in it's that scene in 671 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: The Patriot where where Gibson's down there in the in 672 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: the South Carolina. They're like in the swamp tavern and 673 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: they're recruiting the you know, they're recruiting the rebels. 674 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 3: And his son is like, it's it's Heath Ledger, and 675 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 3: he's your father. These these are the. 676 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: Kind of men we want to be working with, and 677 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: says son, these are exactly the kind of men we 678 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: want to be working with. 679 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 2: No, exactly, exactly no, And it is it is, you know, 680 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 2: this is the sort of thing though, what you're taking 681 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 2: on is so vast that and you're starting from from 682 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 2: scratch that you know it's it's going to be a 683 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 2: long long I mean, this is something that's going to 684 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 2: take decades to have any sort of consolidated institutional power 685 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: wrapped around. I mean this the the Yankee Cowboy stuff 686 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 2: goes back centuries. You know, there's every single career in Washington, 687 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 2: every single person who's in the civil Service of the 688 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: Foreign service is either in the Yankee or the Cowboy faction. 689 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: Whether they know it or not. By the way, right. 690 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 2: Right now, It's been very interesting thing actually is to 691 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 2: watch as some of these dynamics have evolved, because I 692 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: actually think over the past several years, a lot of 693 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 2: people who started out as being you know, in the 694 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: cowboy camp have actually moved over into that pirate camp more. 695 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 2: You've seen this in Ukraine for example. You know, this 696 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: is Ukraine is probably the biggest issue that divides the 697 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 2: cowboys from the pirates, if you will, in the sense 698 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 2: that there is this growing caucus. Ukraine funding start as 699 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: being basically unanimous from the GOP, and then it's more 700 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 2: and more you see people saying, hey, we need to 701 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 2: focus on the Homeland, not the Empire. There's been you know, 702 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 2: I think it's up to almost ninety votes now in 703 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 2: the US, including even the Speaker, who I'm not even 704 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 2: opining on whether he's been good or bad so far, 705 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 2: but he has now at least begun to say, hey, 706 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 2: you know what we're gonna we need to put conditions 707 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 2: on this. There is that fracturing happening now. And that's 708 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 2: why they're so frantic to prop up someone like Nikki Haley, 709 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: you know, a true you know, captured cowboy if there 710 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 2: ever was one cowgirl. And and you know, that's why 711 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 2: you have Jamie Diamond and Larry Think from Blackrock, because 712 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 2: they want the discussion to read between right, yes, exactly, 713 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 2: it's it's it's they want the discussion to be either 714 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 2: getting Yankee or Cowboy. They don't want you to be 715 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: able to have this third option. 716 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: Which, by the way, and Richard Barress said and it 717 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: went viral and he took a lot of slings and 718 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 1: arrows for it on on this show just a couple 719 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. He said, if Nicki Haley is installed 720 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: as the vice president to Trump, which is the current play, 721 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: then that gives them the perfect reason to take Trump out, 722 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: whether they JFK him or otherwise, because then NICKI Haley 723 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: comes president the same way JFK or excuse, the same 724 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: way LBJ then ascended to the presidency. He was their guy, 725 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: she's their girl. 726 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's that's exactly right. I mean, I would 727 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 2: you're I hate it, but you know, and I interestingly, 728 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 2: actually I should note that Jared Cohen, the CIA State 729 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 2: Department architect of the Digital Color Revolution blueprint, the guy 730 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 2: who you know made the personal call the Twitter, you know, 731 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 2: And interestingly, actually I should note that Jared Cohen, the 732 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 2: CIA State Department architect of the Digital Color Revolution blueprint, 733 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 2: the guy who you know made the personal call the 734 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: Twitter to keep Twitter up so that they could rig 735 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: the Iranian elections, and who personally oversaw the construction of 736 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 2: the AI censorship Death Stars actually wrote a book completely 737 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 2: divorced from his other works when Trump took office, and 738 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 2: it was about what happens when presidents die in office? 739 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 5: And is the c I a guy just you know, 740 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 5: in his spare time, for no reason whatsoever, decides to 741 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 5: spend six months of his life writing a book on 742 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 5: what happens when presidents die in office? 743 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 3: Definitely not anything. 744 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 1: Remotely related to his other work, of course, just not 745 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: ever spoke up. 746 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 2: Like this wanted to. So you know, I totally agree 747 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 2: with that analysis. And and you know, and there look, 748 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 2: there's a long history of vice presidents essentially running a presidency. 749 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 3: There's argument in. 750 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: I was going to say, Bush and Reagan certainly a 751 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 1: lot of elements of foreign policy. 752 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can make the argument, you know, 753 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 2: Dick Cheney was was Darth Cheney, you know, to the 754 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: to the Democrats, SNL you know, basically declared him to 755 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 2: be the president during the during the Bush one years, 756 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 2: probably just because you know, w was just too incomp. 757 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: Which, by the way, speaking of SNL D during those years, 758 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: there's actually an episode of SNL I want to say 759 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: it's from two thousand and eight where they actually make 760 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: fun of George Soros for his ability of manipulating currency 761 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: in order to destabilize governments and put them into debt. 762 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: And I'm watching this thing going like is something like 763 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 1: pinch me? Is somebody playing a trick on me? That 764 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: for there was this one brief moment, you know, kind 765 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: of right before all the political tides shifted, where they 766 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: actually admitted the truth. 767 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 3: And I'm sure that all of the people. 768 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: Who you know, who are behind that sketch have been 769 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: totally disappeared at this point. 770 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 6: That it's like it's like, yes, I am Jeorge Soros. Yes, 771 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 6: VIAT taking over as the country. We are using financial 772 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 6: power like so yes in this by the way, obviously 773 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 6: in this analysis, George Soros is one of the chiefs 774 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 6: of the Yankee. 775 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 2: Tribe exactly exactly, He's the total embodiment of it. And 776 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 2: that's a good thing that's in New York and not Arkansas, 777 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 2: because I that's that Skets could not be run today. 778 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 2: But you know, on the you know, on this sort 779 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: of you know, what do you do if you don't 780 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 2: have a mafia question? You know that I try to 781 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 2: remind people that the GOP power, what made the Cowboys 782 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 2: able to compete with the Yankees after the Yankees won 783 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 2: the Civil War was this department of dirty tricks that 784 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 2: the Republicans had that the Democrats actually really didn't you know, 785 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 2: this this anti communist war fighting capacity that came out 786 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 2: of the Republican wing, that that came out of oil 787 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 2: intelligence that came out of the the Houston energy mafia. 788 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 2: This this Cowboy wing is was was the power base 789 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 2: that allowed the cowboys to sort of you know, hold 790 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 2: their own with the Yankees. And the thing that Trump 791 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 2: ran on is sort of anti anthetical to the financial 792 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 2: interests of those cowboys, and so he doesn't have the 793 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 2: muscle to fight back when the Justice Department comes after him. 794 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 2: He's gotten nobody at the CIA who's going to play 795 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 2: dirty tricks back on them, and he's got nobody at 796 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 2: the Justice Department who's going to play dirty tricks back 797 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 2: on So you know, it's like being in a thumby 798 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 2: war fight where somebody else gets to do the uh, 799 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 2: you know, the the h Yeah, exactly. You know that 800 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 2: there's no way. The only way to stop that is 801 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 2: when those people fear that you're going to do it 802 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 2: back to them. I mean, this is the way the 803 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,959 Speaker 2: nuclear arms race essentially, and it was right was because 804 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 2: other people start making nuclear bombs and uh and it 805 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 2: was like, okay, you know what, actually, maybe maybe we 806 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 2: should stop this because this could actually backfire because they 807 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 2: might do it to us. And so that's sort of 808 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 2: what kept the equilibrium and Trump not. This is one 809 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 2: of the issues of you know, sort of what do 810 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 2: you actually do in this situation because Trump didn't actually 811 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 2: make a blood sacrifice offer on a policy to the 812 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 2: cowboy faction of the Blob. You know, they were they 813 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 2: were concerned about the oil and gas interests in in 814 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 2: the Caspian Sea and in Eastern Europe. They were concerned 815 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 2: about cutbacks to these democracy programs. You know, they were 816 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 2: concerned about what would happen to the stocks of of 817 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 2: you know, eggs On and Chevron and Halliburton if Ukraine 818 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 2: was you know, was essentially threatened by Russia and then 819 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 2: all of the all these ten billion dollar agreements that 820 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 2: were inked between Houston companies in the Ukrainian government, what 821 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 2: would happen to those if you didn't have you know, 822 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 2: a CIA State Department, Pentagon battering ram that the Biden administration, 823 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 2: you know what was wanted to continue from the Obama 824 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 2: government because if you remember we were just talking about 825 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 2: vice presidents essentially running the presidency. Well, Joe Biden ran 826 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 2: the Obama administration's Ukraine polic see. He was you know, 827 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 2: the foreign the Council Farm Relations called Joe Biden mister 828 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,800 Speaker 2: Foreign Policy. You know, back in the nineteen seventies and eighties, 829 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 2: he had been on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 830 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 2: over forty years, including either chairman or ranking member for 831 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 2: ten of those. 832 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: So the triple partition plan of for a RAQ was 833 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: written by Tony Blinken when he was a Senate staffer 834 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden. Ben's we are just about out of 835 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 1: time here. I'm looking at the clock. It's only about 836 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: a minute and a half left. Please tell our listeners 837 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: that you're writing a book about this. Please tell us 838 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: this book is coming out. 839 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 2: It's going to come out in one hundred years, but 840 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,720 Speaker 2: it's going to be a banger. 841 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: I promise you that, Mike, where could people go to 842 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: follow you, to follow your work and to support everything 843 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: you do. Sure you can find me on x at 844 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: Mike ben Cyber all one word at Mike ben Cyber. 845 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 2: And my foundation is Foundation for Freedom Online. We are 846 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 2: trying to restore the golden age of the Internet. And 847 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 2: we got a ton of momentum thanks Jack and to 848 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,439 Speaker 2: Human Events and you guys are doing an amazing job. 849 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 2: And really to tip the spear. 850 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: And by the way, huge w's from Elon Musk, from 851 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: Alex Jones and all that would not have happened if 852 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: not for the efforts of Mike Ben's cyber so you 853 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: need to be following this guy, you need to be 854 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: supporting him. And folks, look, I know, sometimes with what 855 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: we're outlining, it feels like all the power of hell 856 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: is turned upon us. But you know what they say, 857 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 1: They say, when you're going through hell, keep going. 858 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 3: And that's what Mike Ben's is going to do. 859 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: That's what Jack Posovic is going to do, and that's 860 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 1: what Human Events is going to do. Ladies and gentlemen, 861 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: As always, you have my permission to lay a short 862 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: and