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Speaker 1: You're at the volume heavy Thursday, everybody, hope all if

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Speaker 1: let's talk some basketball. So, in a stunning repeat of

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Speaker 1: court offense led by Austin Reeves and Luka Doncic that

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of negativity surrounding Austin after the game,

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Speaker 1: Austin is good enough to justify a max contractor whether

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Speaker 1: the Glass, the Thunder have played three hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: nine non garbage time possessions with Shake Gildess Alexander off

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Speaker 1: This preaches organizational excellence from the top down with Sam

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Speaker 1: to the example that Shake Gill Alexander sets. He's getting deep.

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Speaker 1: Posted by Ruy Hachimura in a transition play and he's

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Speaker 1: They're chewing teams up and spinning them out with his defense.

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Speaker 1: And then you bring in the fact that they have

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Speaker 1: that chet holmgrin this year is averaging nineteen points per

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Speaker 1: game on seventy two percent true shooting, drilling pick and

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Speaker 1: pop threes, drilling spacing threes along the left wing, putting

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Speaker 1: It's j Dubbs coming back to this. AJ Mitchell is

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Speaker 1: blossoming into the next great Thunder role player. As a team,

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Speaker 1: they're growing as processors and just their read and react sequences.

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Speaker 1: night shout out Will, and we were talking about this,

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Speaker 1: but like, they're fun to watch now. There were times

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Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway hit a couple of threes with that unit.

433
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Speaker 1: You know, watching him with the starting group was super

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Speaker 1: interesting to me because I think there's this like kind

435
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Speaker 1: of there's this concept that can feed on itself with

436
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: catch and shoot shooting when you're being aggressive. So like

437
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Jokic is hunting Tim Hardaway Junior with kickout passes because

438
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Speaker 1: he knows Tim wants to shoot, he knows Tim will shoot,

439
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: and Tim's knocking down shots, and I think it's like,

440
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Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what this Cam Johnson injury ends

441
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: up being and how long he ends up being out.

442
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm hoping it's not something serious going on with his shoulder.

443
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: But again, when you look at Michael Porter Junior and

444
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Speaker 1: what his fit was like with his team, he was

445
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: so aggressive off the catch that it was kind of

446
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: self feeding in the sense that as he would make shots,

447
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: guys would hunt him more, that would lead to more opportunities,

448
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: which was why Michael Porter Junior was the kind of

449
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Speaker 1: guy that on any given night could go for twenty

450
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Speaker 1: five thirty points and just kind of was a ceiling

451
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: razor for that Denver offense. There's been a bad combination

452
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Speaker 1: with Cam of like not super aggressive off the catch,

453
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Speaker 1: but also not making shots. And I just thought it

454
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Speaker 1: was interesting seeing Tim with the starters in that second half,

455
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: like that first shift in the second half, because it's

456
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Speaker 1: a reminder that, like this stuff will feed on itself,

457
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Speaker 1: Like I watched Jokic hunting Tim because he knows he

458
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Speaker 1: wants to shoot and he knows he's gonna knock the

459
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Speaker 1: shot down, and that both of those areas are kind

460
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Speaker 1: of tilting in the wrong direction for Cam, and I

461
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Speaker 1: just want to see when Cam comes back. That's what

462
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Speaker 1: Michael Porter Junior was doing, That's what Tim Hardaway Junior

463
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Speaker 1: is doing. Be super aggressive off the catch. That will

464
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Speaker 1: then allow the team to start hunting you more, which

465
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: will then help you get an even better rhythm. Or

466
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Speaker 1: then we can start seeing Cam go for twenty twenty

467
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Speaker 1: five points in a night and be that ceiling raising

468
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Speaker 1: player that we know he's capable of being. So yokichends

469
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 1: up hitting a three at the top of the key.

470
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Speaker 1: It makes up what ninety to fifty six or ninety

471
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: to seventy six if I remember correctly, that kind of

472
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: blew it open and that a Denver never really looked

473
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Speaker 1: back from there. Jokic finished the game with fifty five points,

474
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Speaker 1: twelve rebounds, and six assists. And again, that's one of

475
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Speaker 1: the best Yokic defenders in the league. Last night that

476
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: Jokic just looked completely comfortable against made him look hopeless.

477
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: Jokicch in the post. I want to zoom in on

478
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Speaker 1: this concept for a minute. When Jokic shoots out of

479
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Speaker 1: the post this season, he is thirty four for forty

480
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: four from the field. That's seventy seven percent. We often

481
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Speaker 1: talk about his short range touch, right, Like, the big

482
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: difference between Jokic and a lot of the other elite

483
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: scorers in NBA history is he's not a guy that's

484
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Speaker 1: going to get to a mid ranger that he makes

485
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: half the time, or a three that he's going to

486
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Speaker 1: make forty percent of the time. He's going to get

487
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Speaker 1: to something closer to the basket and he's going to

488
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Speaker 1: hit it two thirds of the time. That's been the

489
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: calling card for Jokic, mid sixties on floaters and hooks

490
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Speaker 1: at his absolute peak high sixties, right around seventy percent. Right, well,

491
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: how about the mid seventies. Yokic has started this season

492
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: twenty eight for thirty eight on floaters and hooks at

493
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Speaker 1: seventy four percent from the field on those shots. He's

494
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Speaker 1: sixty four percent on mid range jumpers. That's crazy, eighty

495
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: one percent on layups. That's crazy. He's somehow even more

496
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Speaker 1: deadly as a short range shot maker than he used

497
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Speaker 1: to be. And it's turning the Jokics post up into

498
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: far and away the most dependable play in the entire

499
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Speaker 1: game of basketball right now when you factor in all

500
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Speaker 1: Jokics post ups. So this is shot attempts, turnovers, passing

501
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: sequences out of his post ups. Anytime you throw the

502
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Speaker 1: ball to yokicch in the post. According to Synergy, the

503
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: Nuggets have a sixty two percent chance of putting points

504
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: on the board in that possession. Just shy of two

505
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: thirds of the time that you dump the ball down

506
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: to Jokic in the post, you're scoring on that possession

507
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: and in terms of large sample efficiency, how about a

508
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: one thirty one offensive rating on possessions where you post

509
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Speaker 1: Nikola jokicap pretty insane last six games for Yokic's averaging

510
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: thirty six points, twelve rebounds, and eleven assists, seventy four

511
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Speaker 1: percent from the field, fifty six percent from three, eighty

512
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: six percent from the line. This is the best offensive

513
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: basketball player ever, playing the best basketball of his career,

514
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: and in a field where Yannis has been unbelievable, and

515
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: Luca obviously before last night has been unbelievable, and che

516
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: yojess Alexander has been unbelievable, and Victor Wimbnyama has been unbelievable.

517
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: Jokic still just looks like he's better than all those guys.

518
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: He's just playing unbelievable basketball right now. Thirty six twelve

519
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: and eleven over his last six games on seventy four

520
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: fifty six splits. It's unbelievable stuff. On the Clippers situation,

521
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too long here because they're

522
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: kind of drifting out of relevance at this point in

523
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: the NBAL, though that we'll see if they end up

524
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: making some trades that end up affecting other teams. You know,

525
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: I understood the thought process behind going after you know,

526
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: when you make the trade, the Norman Powell trade, right,

527
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: and it brings back John Collins. There was an important

528
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: order of operations that they were going with.

529
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: There's an athletic dynamic when you have a really big

531
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Speaker 1: athletic forward who plays hard, which is what John Collins is.

532
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: He's like a high motor athlete at the ford position,

533
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: and you layer that alongside real size and rebounding physicality

534
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: at the center position with Zuobots, Right. We see this

535
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: elsewhere in the league. A perfect example of it is

536
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: literally like what Nikola Jokic and Aaron Gordon represent together.

537
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: Right.

538
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: We've seen you know, crazy versions of it defensively with

539
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: like Giannison Brooke back in the heyday of the Milwaukee Bucks.

540
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: Right.

541
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: But when you have that like big athletic forward next

542
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: to the big bruising center, and that athletic forward's job

543
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: is just to be this like kind of wrecking ball

544
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: on the margins, there's like a there's an athletic dynamic,

545
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: a physicality dynamic that they were trying to bring to

546
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: the table by making the John Collins trade and that

547
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: has worked for the record, like John Collins has looked

548
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: like he helps this basketball team in some real ways.

549
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: The problem is is you end up sending Norman Powell

550
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: out in the process. Right, And I understood the thought

551
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: process of like, okay, well, what if you bring in

552
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal. Can Bradley Beal when he's healthy be a

553
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: rough approximation of what Norman Powell was in theory? Yes,

554
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: it was a high risk play. Right if if Bradley

555
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: Beal ends up coming in and looking good and John

556
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Collins comes in and fills that very specific need, Okay,

557
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: we're cooking with Greece, right, cooking with gas whatever, the

558
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: expression is, Right, You're in good shape there. But you

559
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: get the terrible combination of Bradley being both bad when

560
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: he's on the court and now injured. And he was

561
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: injured on and off throughout the stretch before he ended

562
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: up injuring his hip, right, so you get basically nothing

563
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: out of Bradley Beal. It gets exacerbated by the fact

564
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: that James Harden comes into camp in a little less

565
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: good of shape than he was last year. Gets exacerbated

566
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: by the fact that Kawhi Leonard ends up getting hurt.

567
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: It gets exacerbated by the fact that Chris Paul ends

568
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: up coming in and not playing super well to start

569
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the season, and now things are going south, and like

570
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: again there's a lot of like discussion surrounding Okay, should

571
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: the Clippers have kept Norman Powell. Well, if you keep

572
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: Norman Powell, you gotta pay him. If you got to

573
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: pay him, now, you're tying up your cap longer term.

574
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: If you type your cap longer term, you're kind of

575
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: more committed to this core. I think the Clippers more

576
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: or less we're looking at this season as somewhat of

577
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: a last hurrah. Anyway, there's no reason to like really

578
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: invest long term into this particular group. They wanted to

579
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: retain flexibility. So if you sign Bradley Beale to a

580
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: discounted contract, it just theoretically is a more flexible type

581
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: of move than signing Norman Powell. So like, on the

582
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: one hand, it's easy to just be like, well, they

583
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: let Norman Powell walk. That was a bad idea. Now

584
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: they're not as good. Well, it's like, were they going

585
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: to win the title? Probably not. They were just a

586
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: second tier contender. Anyway, everyone seemed to be aware of that,

587
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: so making the move to tie up your cap long

588
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: term to give yourself a better shot when you're still

589
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: not a top tier contender, Like, I'm not going to

590
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: judge the Clippers for making that move. That said, you know,

591
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about how when you're looking at

592
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: your spectrum of potential outcomes as a team, there's like

593
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: things that need to happen on the good side for

594
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: you to reach your goals, and then there's things that

595
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: could go the other way to lead you being bad. So,

596
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: for instance, like with the Thunder, if you look at

597
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: all the injuries that they've had in order for them

598
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: to be successful, you needed Shay to be better than

599
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: he was last year. He has been. You needed Chet

600
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: to take an offensive leap he has. You needed one

601
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: of your deeper bench ball handlers to kind of pop

602
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: on offense. You have Aj Mitchell has popped right. You

603
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: needed to maintain the defensive identity from last year, even

604
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: though you're in a defending champion campaign where usually effort

605
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: can wayne a little bit. They've been amazing on defense

606
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: to start the season. So all of these little swing

607
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: factors have gone in the positive direction, and you're getting

608
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: a thunder team that's going to be eighteen and one

609
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: in a week and a half.

610
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: Right.

611
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: Similarly, with the Clippers, what would you have needed for

612
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: things to go right for them? You would have needed

613
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: Bradley be able to stay healthy and to be, you know,

614
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: seventy percent of what Norman Powell was. You needed Kawhi

615
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: Leonard to stay healthy and play at it at least

616
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: a second tier superstar level. You needed James Harden to

617
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: come into camp just like he did last year and

618
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: set the tone from the start of the season as

619
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: an advantage creator. You needed Chris Paul to come in

620
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: and be what he was last year, one of the

621
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: best pick and role players in the NBA. You needed

622
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: all of these things to go your direction, and instead

623
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: they all went the opposite direction. You know, you see

624
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: a team one of the Clippers now like three and eight.

625
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: They're having a brutal start to the season. Whenever you

626
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: see stuff like that, you can't blame one thing. It's

627
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: all of the things. James not quite as good, Kawi

628
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: Hurd again, Norman Palell's gone having a career year down

629
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: in Miami. Bradley Beal's injured again, and when he was healthy,

630
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing well. Like all those things go the

631
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: opposite direction. Now you're looking at a three and eight

632
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: Clippers team, So, like, I think it's way too early

633
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: in the season to just bail on things. You want

634
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: to see how it goes. Maybe Kawhi Leonard comes back

635
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: and things get better. Maybe they're able to make a

636
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: trade at some point for a higher level offensive player

637
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: to kind of help anchor things. There's a very into

638
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: this story where they can write the ship. But if

639
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: we get another month into this and they're ten and twenty,

640
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: that's where you need to start having more complicated conversations

641
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: about capitalizing on the assets that you have in order

642
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: to set up your next phase of Clippers basketball. And

643
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: they don't know their pick. I was reading the thing

644
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: this morning. Okay, see has their swap for the next

645
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: two years? Is that could get pretty That could get

646
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: pretty brutal for the entire NBA if the Clippers end

647
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: up going south. And okay, so he ends up capitalizing

648
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: on it all right, Warrior spurs One small bright spot

649
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: from a rough night for me last night as a

650
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: basketball fan, as I watched my Lakers get completely and

651
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: utterly dismantled, I did go on a rant yesterday about

652
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: how I thought the Warriors were better than they've looked

653
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: to this point, and I predicted that they would go

654
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: into San Antonio and win. I think they're gonna beat

655
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: San Antonio tonight. And even though they were on the

656
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: tail end back to back, and that ended up being

657
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: one of the few things I was right.

658
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: About last night.

659
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I just thought they had a light workload against Oklahoma

660
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: City because of the blowout, Right, you didn't have big

661
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: minute totals for anybody. I thought it was a really

662
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: tough game for Steph to come back, like going from

663
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, being out with that upper respiratory illness which

664
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: can affect her conditioning so much. Stepping into that Oklahoma

665
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: City blenders just a really tough game. But he built

666
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: it a little built a little bit of rhythm, got

667
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: his wind. He looked like he was an awesome rhythm

668
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: last night. As far as back to backs go on

669
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: the road, it was a short flight, right, like you're

670
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: just going from Oklahoma City to San Antonio. And then

671
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: I thought the Golden State defense was a good matchup.

672
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: For the Spurs. I thought they were built well for it.

673
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: They've got the types of physical defenders to guard Wenby,

674
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: and they've got the coach and Steve Kerr that's going

675
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: to be able to see any sort of opportunities to

676
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: double team and cause the same problems that Wenby's had

677
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: in the past. Now it looked different than I expected,

678
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: because I thought the Warriors would double Wenby more, and

679
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: they did on occasion when he would get a smaller

680
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: defender on a switch. They were doubling basically every time

681
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: he put the ball on the floor and Draymond wasn't

682
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: on him, they were sending a double team, but they

683
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: essentially let Draymond stick in one on one, and Draymond

684
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: did a number on him in this game. And it's

685
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: like it's all relative because like Wemby's insanely talented, and

686
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: he had thirty one fifteen to ten in this game.

687
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Kind a little bit of a rhythm late in the

688
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: game on Draymond when the game was already out of reach,

689
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: and hit a couple jump shots over the top of him.

690
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: But for the most part, he was capitalizing on the

691
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: opportunities when he got Draymond off of him. Whether Draymond

692
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: was on the bench and Jimmy was the primary defender

693
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: or chaos situations like off ball situations when Draymond was

694
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: in help or you know, transition, that sort of thing.

695
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: He found his way to score. But in his one

696
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: on ones, I think he missed his first seven shots

697
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: with Draymond guarding him one on one. In the second half,

698
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: in particular, you could see him, even in single coverage

699
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: against Draymond look not comfortable putting the ball on the

700
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: floor and kind of just passing the ball out of

701
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: those one on one. So, just a wonderful job from

702
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Draymond Green, who's arguably the best defensive player of this

703
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: era and still to this day is one of the

704
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: most impactful defensive players in the league. I thought he

705
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: did a wonderful job on Victor wembin Yama last night.

706
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: And then Steph Curry just exploded in the second half,

707
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: thirty one points on thirteen shots. Just in the second half.

708
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Got a couple of clean looks against Wemby in deeper

709
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: drop coverages where ball screens. They ran like a little

710
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: double screen at the top where Wemby was sagging way back,

711
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: like almost around the elbow. Easy breezy, little pull up

712
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: three for Steph Curry. He found a one on one

713
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: matchup that he really liked. He liked Julian champagnee one

714
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: on one, and he was giving him a bunch of

715
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: work every time he got him where there was a transition,

716
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: cross match or through a screening action, he just was like,

717
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: get out of my way. I'm just gonna attack Julian

718
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: Champagne one on one, a little bit of a bigger,

719
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: slower wing compared to some of the other guards. It's

720
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: all he had to do was really get into his

721
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: body and then step back and then he was able

722
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: to get a good amount of separation. He was beating

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00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Wemby in switches just by driving past him, generated shots.

724
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: Passing out of that. He drew a foul on him

725
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: by driving past him and then doing the textbook kind

726
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: of like jump backwards type of play to draw the

727
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: foul on Wemby. He got loose in the chaos of transition.

728
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: In offensive rebounds, Gary Payton was awesome in this game

729
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: on the offensive end as like a cutter and as

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00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: a screener. Little release valvel underneath the basket also did

731
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of damage on the offensive glass. He had

732
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: a sequence late in the game where he got back

733
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: to back offensive rebounds that both led to Steph Curry threes.

734
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: Missed the first one, but made the second one in

735
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: that left corner. Steph just did a ton of damage

736
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: in the chaos of the game in the second half

737
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: as well. It just looked like he was in a

738
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: much better rhythm than he was in against ok Se

739
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: and he finished with forty six points, five rebounds, five assists,

740
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: just one turnover, got to the foul line sixteen times.

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00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: Really nice game from Steph Curry. I thought Jimmy Butler

742
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: was excellent in this game. Kind of started with the

743
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: rescue possession. He hit like a contested catch and shoot

744
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: three along the right wing when the shot clock was

745
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: running down. But he hit so many big threes in

746
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: the second half the Spurs were basically daring him to

747
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: shoot sagging way off. He had a big one in

748
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: crunch time along the left wing as well, the usual

749
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: kind of little bits of shot creation when Staph was

750
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: off the floor once again drawing fouls by getting into

751
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: the teeth of the defense and taking weird driving angles

752
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: and getting defenders out of position. Moses Moody deserves a

753
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: ton of credit for the damage he did in the

754
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: first half of this game that helped keep them attached

755
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: when the Warriors got off to a little bit of

756
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: a rough start again. We mentioned Gary Payton in the

757
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: job he did on offense in the second half. Just

758
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: a really nice bounce back win for the Warriors. I

759
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: did want to talk briefly about this Jonathan Kamingas stuff,

760
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: So after the thunder game, I thought this was kind

761
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: of lame. But there was a lot of passive aggressive

762
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: comments being made by the Warriors veterans that seemed to

763
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: be targeted towards the younger players. Specifically. No one was

764
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: named by name, but it was pretty clear they were

765
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: hinting at guys like Jonathan Kaminga and Brandon Pajemski in particular.

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00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of lame because it was like,

767
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: you got your ass kicked against Oklahoma City because all

768
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: of you played poorly, like and Steph in particular had

769
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: a bad game against Okay see and no shame in that. Okay, Okay,

770
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: So he just did the same thing to Luca and Austin.

771
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is a transcendently great defense. They did the

772
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: same thing to Kevin Durant earlier in the season. They

773
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: are a huge pain in the ass. It's not about

774
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. I just thought, let me just let me

775
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: rephrase it like this. Okay, So you don't want to

776
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: play Kaminga with the starters. You don't think he's a

777
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: good fit. You think your lineup construction makes more sense

778
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: to bring him off the bench in a smaller role.

779
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: You want to go with the guy like Will Richard

780
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: in the starting lineup or Moses Moody in the starting lineup.

781
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: You want guys that are more natural fits and Golden

782
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: State system. That's fine. Just say that, Just say, hey,

783
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, we tried the cominga with the starters thing

784
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: to start the season. You know, he had his moments,

785
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: had some reads that he made that he wasn't making

786
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: in years past, a little bit more refined in some

787
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: of his attacks. But ultimately, now that we're a few

788
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: weeks into this thing, now that we're almost a month

789
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: into this thing, we think he's better coming off of

790
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: the bench.

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00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: We're going to transition into that role. Just say that.

792
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: Like, do I think Kaminga has been very good in

793
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: the last week and a half or so.

794
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: No.

795
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: Do I think he's starting to regress a little bit

796
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: in some key areas, Yes, But like passive, aggressively, essentially

797
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: blaming him for the situation that the team is in

798
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. You toast it off a game against the

799
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: Pacers because your stars were fucking off like Steph was

800
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: brutal at the end of that game. You lost a

801
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: couple more games.

802
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: Because Steph got sick.

803
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: That happens the situation you blew a game against Milwaukee

804
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: where Jannis didn't play like you like, take some personal responsibility,

805
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: like again, I'm you know me, I've never been a

806
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: huge fan of the kaminga fit. I think again, he

807
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: showed some positive strides to start the season. I have

808
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: been an advocate generally for trading him over the course

809
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: of the last couple of years. So I'm not disagreeing

810
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: with you in principle about the idea of the way

811
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: the team should be run in terms of the rotation.

812
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: But like I did, think it was kind of lame

813
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: for them to take those like pretty passive aggressive stances

814
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: in the press conferences after Oklahoma City and again you

815
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: want to give them some competitive leeway. Again, it's a

816
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: thunder ass kicking, right. No one's happy after an ass kicking,

817
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: And when you're grouchy, you might say some things you

818
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: might not otherwise say. But I just thought it was like, hey, like,

819
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: you guys got your ass kicked. It wasn't Jonathan k

820
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: minga's fault. Like, yeah, he had a few turnovers in

821
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: that game, he made a few bad decisions. Johnathan kming

822
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: is not the reason you get your ass kicked by

823
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: the thunder. I thought it was just kind of a

824
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: little bit ridiculous to target those guys the way that

825
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: they did. And I know they denied it, and I

826
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: know Draymond was going after Kevin o'connory yesterday and you know,

827
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: basically saying that he wasn't talking about those guys. But

828
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: that's just if you've learned anything as an adult, I

829
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: deny deny as literally just the approach that everyone takes

830
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: with any sort of accusation of any kind. I still

831
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: remain bullish on the Warriors. Really nice bounce back, Wayne.

832
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: We're going to be covering them on playback on Friday

833
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: night for round two of that of that Spurs Warriors matchup.

834
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: I just again, I'm I'm just I just don't think

835
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: there's any need for the post game stuff that we

836
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: saw on Tuesday night on the Spurs front. I loved

837
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: how Wemby found opportunities to score when he got free

838
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: of Draymond. There's this idea that some young basketball players

839
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: have where it's like, I've got a demonstrate that I

840
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: can beat this guy, and it's like, no one's giving

841
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: you bonus points for scoring against the other team's best defender.

842
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: That's just playing stupid basketball. When you get guarded by

843
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players of all time, your

844
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: goal should be get him off of me, Like find

845
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: a way to not have to score against Draymond, and

846
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: he did throughout the game, little guard screens that would

847
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: get him switched onto a guard where you get a

848
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: quick opportunity to attack, or a quick opportunity to draw

849
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: devil team and pass out it getting Draymond's screen. And

850
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: you could see a lot of that in the second half,

851
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: like using screens on Draymond so that as the ball handler,

852
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: Wenby could get into some over the top shots off

853
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: of the dribble. Transition chaos, offensive rebound chaos, all those opportunities.

854
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Find your dozen times a game where you can get

855
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: that dude off of you, be aggressive, and that's how

856
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: you end up with thirty one, fifteen and ten despite

857
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: struggling with the individual matchup of Draymond Green. So I

858
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: was really impressed by Wemby there He and dearon Fox

859
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: have to take better care of the ball though. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that we're seeing early on with the

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Speaker 1: Fox Wemby pairing is in ball screens teams are defending

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Speaker 1: them three on two consistently. Warriors did it a bunch

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Speaker 1: last night, and so those corner skips are open and

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Speaker 1: deeron Fox is sneaky good at that. The spurs generated

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Speaker 1: to like completely butt naked corner threes off of Wenby

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Speaker 1: Fox two man game where you know, Fox kind of

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Speaker 1: got downhill, low Man comes over, finds that little passing

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Speaker 1: angle and makes that swing out to the cour They're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of really good shots out of

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Speaker 1: the Dear and Fox ballscreen situation, both with Wemby off

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Speaker 1: the ball and with Wenby as the screener. That that's

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Speaker 1: going to work. But the turnovers killed them. There were

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Speaker 1: a couple of bizarre turnovers from darreon Fox in this game.

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Speaker 1: He had a lob in this game that was like

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Speaker 1: maybe like seven or eight feet too high. Some swing

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Speaker 1: passes and cross court passes from all from those two

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Speaker 1: and from Steph Castle. Steph Castle had a bad one

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Speaker 1: in the second half that he turned over to Steph.

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Speaker 1: There's a certain amount of ball security stuff with san

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Speaker 1: Antonio right now. It's starting to come to the forefront

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Speaker 1: that they got to work through in order to get

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Speaker 1: to where they want to go. All right, guys, It's

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Speaker 1: all I have for today is always sincerely appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys for supporting us and supporting the show again. We

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Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow morning for our mailbag, and I

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Speaker 1: want to touch on some of those Eastern Conference games

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Speaker 1: from last night, So drop your questions regarding those games

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Speaker 1: and anything else. Anything is fair game in the YouTube comments, whatever,

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Speaker 1: mail bag tomorrow and then again tomorrow night on playback

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Speaker 1: for Warrior Spurs.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you guys. Tat