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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Almost Famous. It's been I'm here and

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Speaker 2: I have an incredible co host today and we have

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Speaker 2: a lot to break down. Bachelor in Paradise is happening.

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Speaker 2: Episode four of Paradise has just aired a few minutes ago,

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Speaker 2: and we're here right now to talk about everything we saw, experience,

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Speaker 2: think and feel. And we have not only a former

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Speaker 2: paradiser but one of America's favorite bachelorettes along with Now,

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna call a reality star because I

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Speaker 2: don't think we can just consume this within the Bachelor world.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Rekia, thank you for co hosting with me today.

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Speaker 3: Hi Ben, thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: I have so many thoughts. Oh, lot to go over.

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Speaker 2: I have zero doubt when Rachel comes on that she's

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Speaker 2: gonna have thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm prepared with my notes. Always so much to say.

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Speaker 2: And I ask for a co host. Rachel's my top choice.

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Speaker 2: But Rachel, before we jump into this together, because we're

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Speaker 2: on the same team today, I do have to interview

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Speaker 2: you for a second.

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Speaker 3: Of course, I expect nothing less.

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Speaker 2: Now it has just come out that on August first,

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Speaker 2: there's a new Netflix show called The Perfect Match that

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Speaker 2: you're going to be on along with Clayton Eckerd.

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Speaker 3: Who would have thought those two names? I went back

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Speaker 3: in the same sentence you did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's gonna try to bring that back. If somebody's

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Speaker 2: gonna try to make that happen, Rachel, I know you

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Speaker 2: well enough, but I'm not gonna claim to know your

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Speaker 2: ins and outs in dating and your lifestyle choices. I

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Speaker 2: know you well enough to know that I like you,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate you, and I respect you, and I

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Speaker 2: get excited anytime we're going to be on the same

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Speaker 2: trip together because I know you're a good time. I

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Speaker 2: watched the trailer for The Perfect Match. It looks what's

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Speaker 2: the I'm going to say the word sexy, promiscuous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, very out of my element. Netflix is very sexy.

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Speaker 3: It's like too hot to handle, Temptation Island, and then

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Speaker 3: randomly like there's Bachelor people there. But I like to,

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Speaker 3: you know, I try to step out of my comfort

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Speaker 3: zone a little. I think I did that. So, yes,

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Speaker 3: the show is very different I think from what the

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Speaker 3: Bachelor audience is used to.

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Speaker 2: I don't we're not going to spend a ton of

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Speaker 2: time on this. I think it's gonna be a great show.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to watch it. We're gonna be breaking

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Speaker 2: it down. Actually right here, I'm almost.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, god, Yeah, okay, So I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: hear your thoughts. I'm actually kind of scared.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I'm going to say it, like

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Speaker 2: I feel it. We're going to protect you.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you better say nothing bad about me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I was an angel the whole time I was an angel.

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Speaker 3: It did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel I mean, I feel like I would

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Speaker 2: have felt this way, But you know, being the lead

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Speaker 2: on such a huge franchise like The Bachelorette, do you

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Speaker 2: feel more hesitant kind of going on these other shows

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Speaker 2: when somebody's like, hey, get in a bikini and let

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Speaker 2: somebody take a body shot off of you. Which I

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Speaker 2: only say that because we just saw that during this

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Speaker 2: episode of Paradise. Yeah, Like, would you feel a little

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Speaker 3: Dove in Well, I definitely dove into the best of

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Speaker 3: my ability. I don't think The Bachelorette is something that

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Speaker 3: ever held me back, but I still do have a

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Speaker 3: Like if I kiss a bunch of people, they've already

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Speaker 3: seen me kiss thirty two So nothing too bad. But no,

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Speaker 3: I was really excited to like jump in and I

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Speaker 3: hope you guys enjoy it, and I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch it. Last question, I only

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Speaker 2: know you and I won't even say who it was

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Speaker 2: to date one person post bachelorette or have any type

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Speaker 2: Like you go on to it hoping that you find

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Speaker 3: Well, I think for the most part, like a lot

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Speaker 3: this season was supposed to be a fling, and when

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Speaker 3: you go into it like that, I think that's when

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Speaker 3: serious things happen.

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Speaker 2: So you could be engaged right now, you could be child.

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Speaker 2: I don't know you anymore.

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Speaker 3: I know you do you do?

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, No, this is definitely their most serious season.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think they brought in Bachelor people and

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Speaker 3: people from more serious shows, because they wanted that kind

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna be excited watching in August first on Netflix,

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Speaker 2: perfect match with our girl Rachel and Clayton. Who knows

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Speaker 2: there could be a new a rekindled fling happened, which

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Speaker 2: would be even more mind bowing, which I'd have so

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Speaker 2: much to say, and I probably wouldn't protect Rachel at

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Speaker 2: that point, but Rachel, let's dive into.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, enough about that. So many thoughts. I want to

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Speaker 3: know your opinion on this season two, and that's.

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Speaker 2: Where I want to start. I want to start with

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Speaker 2: kind of the overarching let's like regroup, catch up. It's

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Speaker 2: episode four. The Goldens are now on the beach. We're

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Speaker 2: seeing relationships deepen, We're also seeing relationships start to dwindle

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Speaker 2: and fray. Overall you've been in Paradise, You've watched yourself

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Speaker 2: in paradise. My thoughts have always been this. I don't

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Speaker 2: hate the modernization. I do. I do not like the location.

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Speaker 2: I will say that it's very confusing for me. Compared

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Speaker 2: even four episodes in, It's hard for me to track

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Speaker 2: just being on the beach, lounging, swimming, chasing whatever they

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Speaker 2: were chasing. I miss the bugs. I miss seeing like,

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Speaker 2: middle of the night. I love that. I think it's

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Speaker 2: the filming and how it's edited and the modernization of that.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate it as much as I used to,

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Speaker 2: But I will say this, I am still four episodes

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Speaker 2: Because I used to love it when somebody would watch

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Speaker 2: I don't know what this resort looks like right.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like, as a viewer, you could walk around

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Speaker 3: the old villa and know exactly where everything was. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy I was on Paradise before this, Like

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Speaker 3: no shade, Well, I'm gonna probably shade a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But I like you said, everything has to be updated right.

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Speaker 3: The way we were doing stuff was a little bit behind.

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Speaker 3: I think we could have still done an update in

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Speaker 3: a Bachelor way. What I don't like is it feels

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Speaker 3: that's where I feel like it's just not like doing

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Speaker 3: well for me. I don't like the dream sequence thing

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Speaker 3: the Goldens coming in and with the cast. I feel

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Speaker 3: like getting the short end of the stick of six

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Speaker 3: couples total, Like how do you find options in that?

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Speaker 3: And now the couples are all locked in because there's

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Speaker 3: no one there. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, I'm tracking. I agree with everything.

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Speaker 2: They've slowly eliminated the dream sequence more and more. I

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Speaker 2: can tell yeah to the audience, being like, this is

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Speaker 2: just distracting from the show. I personally, Rachel, you might

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Speaker 2: hate this. I loved watching you have bugs like I

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Speaker 2: loved watching have crabs while they're trying to use their

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Speaker 2: social media influencer who's always like looking clean and nice,

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Speaker 2: loved it. I thought that was the best thing.

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Speaker 3: I miss seeing the people on the beach looking so

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Speaker 3: to shovel and then the new fresh person coming down.

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Speaker 3: You could tell who's been there the longest. Now everyone

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Speaker 3: looks fresh. Yeah, this isn't fair, Like you need to

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Speaker 3: your face and sand in your bed. Yeah, that's paradise.

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Speaker 3: Eating French fries, like surviving off round fried food. It's

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Speaker 2: No, And I think from a viewers standpoint, one of

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Speaker 2: the things, you know, as the show became more influencer

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Speaker 2: and made their own name for themselves by doing whatever

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Speaker 2: didn't poop for what ten days? That's amazing. That's so

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Speaker 2: good for the show.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. And I think the reason

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Speaker 3: last year I feel like I got so much hate

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Speaker 3: the first Golden season, so people were like, this is

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Speaker 3: so stupid compared to the Golden I'm like, that's the point.

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Speaker 3: It's been stupid every single season. You guys are just

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Speaker 3: h I feel like that's what I'm watching, watching people

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Speaker 3: loved that. But some of it is just like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you play a game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's dive in. Let's dive into this episode. We

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Speaker 2: have all the couples, all the people on the beach.

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Speaker 2: We had the same introu that we've had as the

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Speaker 2: last episode, with a lot of winking. It's cute, it's great,

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Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fun. Everything looks awesome. It's a cool

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Speaker 2: way to do it. I we kind of started this episode.

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Speaker 2: We started out slow with the water aerobics and oh

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Speaker 2: you missed.

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Speaker 3: The whole Jonathan and April in purry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, go ahead and talk about that. I do think, actually,

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Speaker 2: It's like the old school paradise back in the day

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just felt like it missed it the whole time. Now,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like two friends set them up. They're both hopeless romantics.

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Speaker 2: I want to keep on Gary for a second, Rachel.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's a huge personality. I think Bachelor Nation

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Speaker 3: But she still sat there and was like, oh thank you,

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Kathy would be the one to get

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Speaker 2: Like she would be the one to be like, hey, Ben,

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Speaker 3: I looks like that one pretty easy.

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Speaker 3: This champagne in the hot up like. I love her.

433
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: I love her so much.

434
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: She's great in g The only thing that could have

435
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: made it better was Susan being there alongside of her,

436
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: because the two of them are absolute clown show and

437
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: the sweetest, most carrying, great women. And I'm so glad

438
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: so far that we have not seen Kathy with a

439
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: younger man, because that would have broke my heart in

440
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: so many ways.

441
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: I just don't think she would. No, I think I

442
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: really don't.

443
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: No, she's too she she still sees her. I mean

444
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: she is, she's a mom, she has kids, our age

445
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: like she just could never go there. We've talked about

446
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: the Leslie and Gary day, We've talked about Natasha and Gary.

447
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: I think it's time, if you're okay with it, Rachel,

448
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: to dig into what I find to be the most

449
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: non shocking I guess part of the show, which is

450
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: this Cat and Dale blow up.

451
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about that.

452
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: It's not shocking to me. I don't know where we

453
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: have forgotten things along the way. I don't know where

454
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: we thought things would be different now than it was.

455
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: But there's so many parts of this that I had

456
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: to write in my notes. Don't be too judgmental, because

457
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: there's so many elements to this dynamic that just makes

458
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: me cringe and go, what are you thinking?

459
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm interested. I feel like we might have different

460
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: opinions on this.

461
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: Okay one, I'm with Kat. This dead thing, this debbit

462
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: thing is very confusing. It's it's very odd to me.

463
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: Ben, I had to chat GBT debtit. I had to

464
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: look it up.

465
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: My question to you, because I'm typically less likely to

466
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: be in the know on cool new things happening in

467
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 2: this world. I've always been slow when it happens with that,

468
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: and so this debit, I'd never heard of it. I'd

469
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: never like thought of it. I think I knew what

470
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: it means, meaning like it's over, move on. However, if

471
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: that's is that what it means, let me be clear.

472
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: I actually I guess it kind of means like we

473
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: took care of that, like it's over. It's like early

474
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: two thousands slang is what it says, Like when has

475
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: anyone ever used that? And so many times, not only

476
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: with Kat he did it in the bedroom, he did

477
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: it in his interview. Like I mean, I didn't get

478
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 3: to see enough of Dale and clar season obviously because

479
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 3: he was gone in a day. But now I'm seeing

480
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: del like what is wrong with you?

481
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 2: Kind of one hundred percent? Well that was my point

482
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: it Okay, so let's sit on the debt it because

483
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 2: he does kiss somebody else, I don't even have a

484
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: problem with that. It's paradise. It happens, it's part of it.

485
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: You do what you gotta do.

486
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: I think they should kiss more people with you.

487
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: Stay open, go kiss, go have fun, see what fits,

488
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: see what doesn't. And then at some point in the

489
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: season it feels like a natch. Always a natural transition

490
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: to be like, hey, you know what, I don't want

491
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: us to leave alone. I want you to be here

492
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: with me. But at the start, I'm always confused at

493
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: the relationships that are like, nope, you and I only.

494
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: I think it's very fair. However, by saying that, I

495
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: also will say that I think both sides need to

496
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: be very open and honest about that. That they're kissing

497
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: other people, that they're dating other people, that they're still

498
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: into each other. It's a very weird dynamic. It felt

499
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: like to me the course of this argument that Dale

500
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: was wanting to end it or thought they had ended

501
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: it without actually asking if the other person involved was

502
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: okay ending this conversation and moving forward. It felt like

503
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: he was almost forcing it, being like, hey, it happened,

504
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: it's over. You gotta be okay with this. Move on.

505
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: When Cat's sitting there, and I will say my criticism

506
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: the Cat is she gets very upset very quickly, and

507
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: she doesn't clearly communicate that, Hey, I don't want to

508
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: move on from this because I am hurt by this.

509
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: I thought we had something more than special and I'm hurt.

510
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: So she didn't. I won't say she did that perfectly,

511
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: but it felt I don't want to use the word

512
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: manipulative because I know that, but I've already used it.

513
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: It felt like a forced closure to a scenario that

514
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: the other person had not signed off on closing.

515
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: I agree, And to be fair, I was on Bachelor

516
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: Comparadise with Kat the way Catherine Izzo would blow up

517
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 3: on a drop of a dime. I'm seeing such a

518
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: mature cat. I'm so proud of her. I messaged her.

519
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 3: I was like, I just watched the episode and I

520
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: was I didn't know who I was watching. She was

521
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: like so clearly telling him that she's upset not because

522
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: of the kiss, but because he wasn't honest and she

523
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 3: wanted this open communication. And I think he was upset

524
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: I guess because of the timing, Like they kept arguing

525
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: about the timing and that in his world they keep

526
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: things so close and they don't say their relationship problems

527
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: and like First of all, Dale, you lied on camera

528
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: because you said you guys kissed once. Lie, she's gonna

529
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: see this back, Like do you not think there are

530
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: cameras here? And second, it was kind of giving, like

531
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: you said, not manipulation, but I think when people tell

532
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: their partner we need to keep this between us. We're

533
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: not supposed to be talking about this. It's given, like

534
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: you know you're wrong, and you just don't want her

535
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: to go ask other people because they'll tell her you're wrong,

536
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: Like he wants to kind of just never have this

537
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: discussion again.

538
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: It's not fair to cat And that's why I was

539
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: hesit to use the word manipulation. I don't exactly know

540
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: what it was more than just it felt like he

541
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: tried to control the narrative that at this point should

542
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 2: not have been controlled. It didn't need to be. It

543
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: didn't need to be an issue. I think if the

544
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: two of him sat there and said, hey, I'm hurt

545
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: by this, and he said, I did this, but I'm

546
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: still very interested in you, and what that kiss led

547
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: me to was to know that I still want to

548
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: come back to you, I think this gets a lot easier.

549
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: He could have just been like, listen, it was day two, Like,

550
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure if someone else wrote your name down that

551
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: you would have also done it. If not, that's okay.

552
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: But I chose you. This is what I did, like

553
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: I'm only interested in you. And then maybe you have

554
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: the conversation of we're keeping this closed now, not going

555
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: to see other people. It's a perfect time for it.

556
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: But like you said, he got angry. He told the

557
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: boys about it. He got mad at her because of

558
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: the timing of it, and then it carried on into

559
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: the next day and that night after the.

560
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: Ropes, it felt like he was trying to say the

561
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: same thing. If he came up with a better argument,

562
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: I think I get more on his side, But felt

563
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: like he was saying the same thing the whole time.

564
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: It felt like, even when he was talking to Gary

565
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: at the bar, he was doing this thing where it's

566
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: like and we just come from different places, and I'm

567
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: wanting to ask him, or I wish Gary would have

568
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: asked him, what do you exactly mean by that? Because

569
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: coming from different places doesn't change the fact that somebody

570
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: you care about his hurt. When somebody care about his hurt,

571
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: if you care about them, you spend a little more

572
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: time listening and trying to figure that out and coming

573
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: up with some solution or at least walking through it.

574
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: Or an apology or ownership to some degree, he took.

575
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: None, none, none.

576
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: I think yeah, like he wasn't even meaning like. I

577
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: think we come from different backgrounds. I think he kept

578
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: using that word. What I think he meant is, in

579
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: my family, we don't talk about our relationship problems with

580
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: other people. And you did this in front of a camera,

581
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: and you're doing this before a Rose ceremony. And I

582
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: think that's what he was saying. That's what I got,

583
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: and that's what I wrote down.

584
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm confused. I will I will say this whole thing

585
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: that mostly Dale's reaction. Now, I do think Kat, from

586
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: your time on Paradise to now, like just there's a

587
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: big difference in how the response looks. And I will

588
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: say also, she didn't perfectly communicate that she was hurt

589
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: and say how she was hurt. But Dale's response to

590
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: her is at this point, and I think we'll get

591
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: more clarity as the season goes on. At this point,

592
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: it's nothing short of confusing to me. And also it

593
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: feels like he's protecting something like defending himself. In a

594
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: way that doesn't it doesn't fit. It doesn't feel like

595
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: he's properly or intelligently defending himself so that she has clarity.

596
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: It just feels like he's like, no, stop talking about it,

597
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: you're hurt, it's over. We'll all move on.

598
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: But then she tried to move on, like right after rose,

599
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: she was like he haha, he was like no, no,

600
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: like he got mad about it again. Like we're missing

601
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 3: something with Dale. He's not being honest to the camera

602
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: with how he feels. And I think that's why interviews

603
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: are so important, like to be honest if you don't

604
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: want to be honest with Kat. But like now we're

605
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: all confused.

606
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: Like you said, we haven't seen obviously, the episode just

607
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: came out. It's always interesting to see the viewer's response.

608
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm assuming the viewer's response is going to be very

609
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: much in kind of feeling like we're feeling where it's Hey,

610
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: this felt unhealthy, it felt weird. It didn't feel like

611
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: the start of a good relationship. Which we'll skip forward,

612
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: like we have all episode here. Why would she give

613
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: him the rose? And then that's a part that confuses me.

614
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 3: I think Kat has grown so much like truly, but

615
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, like Dale

616
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: is probably the only one that she really is like

617
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: sexually attracted to and interested in, and she in her mind,

618
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: like I think, kind of likes a little bit of

619
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: like the drama and toxicity, like not to a full extent,

620
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: but I think there are some couples that kind of

621
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: like that a little bit, and I think Kat could

622
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: be one. Not trying to speak for her, but I

623
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: know couples that love to fight and then get like

624
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: be fine.

625
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: After yeah, fight and then because.

626
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, I think Kat has a little bit of

627
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: that vibe.

628
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense, I mean it does. It, Just

629
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: it's it's unfamiliar to me, Like, yeah, you know, I

630
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: walk a very safe line. I'm like, I don't want

631
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: to fight and I don't want to have to figure

632
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 2: out how to make up if we do fight. So

633
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: I watched this and I feel uncomfortable. And that's why

634
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: I had a lot of shock, honestly, when she gave

635
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: him the rose. It also feels like a decision now

636
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: watching the previews for future episodes that she will I

637
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: don't regret, but that probably wasn't a great decision. It's

638
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: just going to cause more drama and turmoil in her life.

639
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: A couple couples that have no drama in turmoil. Alex

640
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: and Andrews seem to be clicking around really good.

641
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: I love them. I love Andrew personally. I love Alex.

642
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: I think she's so different than like a lot of

643
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: people we see on reality TV. She's very refreshing. I

644
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: see this as a couple.

645
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: Now. I just want to bring something up. Okay, you

646
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: can disagree with me, please, do you feel it. I

647
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: think she's a lot more in him than he is

648
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: into her.

649
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: I think Andrew is very nonchalot like I've seen him

650
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: like be, not like personally, but like I know him,

651
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: I feel like and I think when he's into people,

652
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: he's not very like, I don't know, super forward. I

653
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: feel like he likes to like hang back a little.

654
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: I think he's also a little bit burned from his

655
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: time with Teddy in Paradise, and I think he's trying

656
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: to like not seem all into soon because he did

657
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: get that edit of like he couldn't get over Teddy

658
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: and they met so fast. So I think he also

659
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: has been here enough where he knows what he's doing

660
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: and thinking about that and thinking about things.

661
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: He's more hesitant.

662
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, justin as well. I think you see with like

663
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: these seasoned you know, Paradise people, like they're kind of

664
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: a little bit more hesitant to like make a big move.

665
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: That's that's fair, and that that would answer a lot

666
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: of my questions. I just see her kind of like

667
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: saying things like I go to bed at nights, I

668
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: see you next day. He goes, that's sweet, and I'm like, dude,

669
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: like it's a big comment.

670
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's just playing it a little sake.

671
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: I do think he'sn't her, but we will see.

672
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: I hope he is. I love the couple if it works. Yes,

673
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: Jeremy and Bailey, we barely see them.

674
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: I don't like I love her not any fact that

675
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: he still hasn't told her what he did that is

676
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: grounds for absolutely never talking to him again. And she's

677
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: watching this now for the first time.

678
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: Do you think she will ever know until she watched

679
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: it back.

680
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: I don't know. And I'm just a little bit also

681
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: upset with Alex because isn't that your best friend? Like

682
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: I would be sprinting to Joe's room to tell her

683
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: like that is an insane thing to know and not

684
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: tell her.

685
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. We don't see a lot of in

686
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: this episode. We do see them swapping gum.

687
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: In sunburn and just talking.

688
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: No, the iHeart team really wants us to talk about

689
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: the idea of them swapping gum, sharing gum, making out

690
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: gum goes another person's mouth. I have never experienced that.

691
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: It's honestly something I would not do with my wife.

692
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: If I mean, if her gum fell in my mouth,

693
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, this is yours, or I'm throwing

694
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: it away. It's not something I particularly am going to enjoy.

695
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: It's not something I'm going to be cool about, or

696
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: would I give it back to them or share it

697
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: with them any longer? My wife and I would not

698
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: be That's just gum is a bacteria ridden substance that

699
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: is meant to do clean up whatever it is that's

700
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: going on in your funky mouth at that time, truly,

701
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: And the.

702
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 3: Way they passed it like it wasn't even like a

703
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: They were like mouth to mouth. And then she goes,

704
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: there's no flavor to it, So you're just chewing this

705
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: piece of gum that has all the food he just

706
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: ate stuck to it with no flavor and then passed

707
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: it back.

708
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: You're not into it either, No, I think.

709
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: It's absolutely repulsive. And I also I'm just so mad

710
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: at him that anything he does right now is making

711
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: me pissed.

712
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: Oh so he's like, he's your villain number one right now?

713
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: Ye us? Are you the way he just did her

714
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: so dirty? Like you went on a date? You almost

715
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: gave your ross, Susie. She goes on a date and

716
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: you have when he's talking to Shabby in the corner

717
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: call her up right now, I was like, you're nuts,

718
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: you're crazy? Shoot or shoot? Come on. I'm sorry. I

719
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: know we haven't talked about last episode together, but I'm just.

720
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: Like, no, please keep going.

721
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: This is good over it? Like I'm sorry, Jeremy, Like

722
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: I met him once, like seem like a good guy,

723
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: but that was just crazy. And then to be cuddling

724
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: with her on the couch sleeping, passing gumback like no,

725
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: and then you still haven't told her?

726
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so let's play this out, listeners. I

727
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: think would appreciate this. He never tells her. Let's just

728
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: let's just play it out that she doesn't ever know

729
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: that he said the things he did. And then also

730
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: went after easy the way he did. She they're still together,

731
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: let's say at the end, happily they better not be.

732
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: Do you get upset?

733
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: Like I love her, she's an angel baby, like she's

734
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: like the queen of the beach, like all the boys

735
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: love her, Like I hate that for her, Like I

736
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: don't know, I just think it's so disrespectful.

737
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it's weird too, because it's not. I mean,

738
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: I think you come at it from this place of

739
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: protection because you love some of these women, you know

740
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: some of them, You care about him, You've been there.

741
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: The show isn't making it as big of a storyline

742
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: as I think they could, meaning it doesn't feel like

743
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: they're lighting the switch to blow this thing up, like

744
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: they're kind of just secretly being like, yeah, Jeremy did

745
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: what he did, and I do feel like it's a

746
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: big deal at least, as we said at the beginning,

747
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: if he wanted to date other people, fine, but I

748
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: think Paradise has always been best served when communication is

749
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: honest and open, and he should we should hear him

750
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: have to tell Bailey, I'm still into you, and Susie's

751
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: out of my mind and I don't want to pursue

752
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: her any longer, or we need him to tell her. Hey,

753
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: I haven't stopped talking about thinking about Susie since the

754
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: moment she left, and you and I are not going

755
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: to make it, but we should see that conversation have

756
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: to happen.

757
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: I think he said it at the Rose ceremony. I

758
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: think to Jonathan, he goes, I'm second guessing my decision. Now.

759
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 3: I hope that Susie stays and takes this rose. And

760
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: and on top of like you calling her right after that,

761
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: like this is a huge story, and you do make

762
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: a good point. The fact that they are not blowing

763
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: it up does make me maybe think that they're together,

764
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: because when they protect a couple, lets together.

765
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's and so the great part will

766
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: be the after show if we have one.

767
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: I know, because I genuinely don't know. I only know

768
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: Jill's like little worlds like that. So I hope they

769
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: have a reaion. I'll be front row.

770
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your girl, Jill. Let's give her a moment. Ear. Obviously,

771
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Jill and Ashley are good friends. You love Jill, and uh,

772
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: Jill is one of those people that I think if

773
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: I was on the beach with her, she would be

774
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: like a safe, fun just like one of those people

775
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: that light up a room and bring positive moments to

776
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: any situation she's in. I want her so badly to

777
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: find love on this beach. It does. It feels like

778
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: she gets pushed aside. I don't know why. It feels

779
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: like these guys don't. I've done some live events with Jill.

780
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: She's gorgeous, she's funny, she's witty, she's smart, smart, she's engaging.

781
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: I don't get why some one of these guys is like,

782
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: that's my girl, Like that's it.

783
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: Genuinely. It's funny because watching back I told her, I'm like,

784
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: I feel like she would have hit it off with

785
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: Kyle from the very beginning of the season, the one

786
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: who everyone was like, who is Kyle. I'm like, he

787
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 3: just seems so like smart and mature and to earth,

788
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 3: and I feel like Jill needs like an intellectual guy.

789
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: That's funny, And I think a lot of these guys

790
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: on the beach, I would say Justin would have that too,

791
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: but they're also such good friends. Jill knows two guys

792
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: that are on the beach currently. Yeah, I don't think

793
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 3: they gave them a recipe for success with only having

794
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: six couples.

795
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: It's too little, too little, But it's still even with that.

796
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you, I even with that. When

797
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: Ashley told me that Jill was coming back to Paradise,

798
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: my first thought was, goodness, I hope this one works well.

799
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: I thought she was engaged when she was there. I'm like, oh,

800
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: she's engaged. I had a feeling. I had a feeling.

801
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it. But her story isn't finished.

802
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: No, but she's with Sean. Yeah, so I already know her,

803
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: like I without knowing. If I watch that happen, I'd

804
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: be like, all right, So she's in a dark place

805
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: right now. Love you Sean. He knows I love him.

806
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: But she even took her rose and said, I love

807
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: the opportunity to be here next week.

808
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, brutal.

809
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: You're pissing off.

810
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's brutal. And so we'll follow her along. We're

811
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: gonna pause here on the breakdown of the show. We

812
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: still have a few things to get to. The rose ceremony.

813
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Jonathan's moment trying to figure out if he's gonna stick

814
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: around or not. Our girl, Hannah Brown, she's a Bachelorette,

815
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: just like you were. She was announced to be in Paradise,

816
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: she was given a title. Really before this whole competition

817
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: thing starts with this season, I thought we'd see a

818
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 2: lot of her. It to me, it feels like they

819
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: hired her on for a position that they don't know

820
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: what she was gonna do, and they're trying to throw

821
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: her into most random scenarios and it just doesn't fit.

822
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: It's weird to see Hannah Brown in the background of Paradise,

823
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: passing out champagne and making like doing some like random interview.

824
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: We're not even seeing interviews of her. I'm seeing so

825
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 3: much of Wells, which I love. While was his interviews

826
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: are incredible, Like I think he's such a crucial part

827
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: of Paradise. But Hannah is known for being outspoken and

828
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: funny and crazy, and we're getting none of that, like

829
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: not even an interview clip, not even her going up

830
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: and like laughing with the girls. Like I feel like

831
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: they're not utilizing her at all. She's so funny.

832
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: It's it's very odd to me. It's felt odd when

833
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: they announced it, because I mean, I love Wells, I

834
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 2: love Hannah. I think she's great, But I was like, hey,

835
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: Wells is enough here? Like this beach doesn't have room,

836
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: there's only six couples for everybody. What is Hannah going

837
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: to be doing? And the show, you know, had some

838
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: fancy title like Champagne Hostess or whatever it was, or

839
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Bubbly Hostess, And then we watched this season and my

840
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: thought is why is she there? And that's not because

841
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: it's the diss on Hannah, it's just what is she

842
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: doing there?

843
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: Is? Yeah, I think there could have been like so

844
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 3: much utilized because I think we needed some feminine energy.

845
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: We have Jess, we have Wells. Wells gives the best advice,

846
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: but I think Hannah in a girl chat, Hannah leading

847
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: dates or or meeting them on dates, I think there

848
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: could have been so much more. And she's so funny

849
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: and chaotic. Yeah, they're definitely just I think fumbling with

850
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: Hannah a little bit. For sure.

851
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: We should see Hannah on every day. We should see

852
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: her in every day, at least stopping by the table

853
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: and you know, doing the random funny here's your two champagnes.

854
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: How are you guys doing right? Saying something ridiculous and leaving.

855
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: We should at least see that we're getting none of it.

856
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: It's very odd.

857
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: I think the audience sees it as well. I've seen

858
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: a couple tiktoks about it, and like everyone was so

859
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: excited and now it's like, I want to see my girl,

860
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: and I see her teaching Leslie how to use a megaphone.

861
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: Like that's all I saw. I think, yeah, passing out

862
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: maybe one champagne so sad, you know, I want to

863
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: see more, all right?

864
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 2: And closing here, Rachel, I should ask you first, any

865
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: thoughts that we haven't covered before we get into to

866
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: the Jonathan Rose ceremony scenarios, anything that you felt that

867
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: stood out to you.

868
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: Nothing really, I feel like I kind of went over

869
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: the most of it. I do love going into the ceremony.

870
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: I do love the footage from the rooms of everyone talking,

871
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: kind of like the hitting camera. I think it's giving

872
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: a lot of insight that normally, like when you're in

873
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: front of a big camera, you don't get so before

874
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: the row ceremony, like Cat crying and having that moment,

875
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 3: and I did like to see that.

876
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: So that's good. It's true. I mean, yeah, and you

877
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 2: see it even with the guys when Nancy comes in

878
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: and Gary's talking about you know how well endowed she is.

879
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: And I don't think they know they're being filmed.

880
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 3: And I love that because you genuinely forget. I experienced

881
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: this for the first time, and I'm like, oh my gosh,

882
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: like you literally just like you're filming so much you

883
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: forget that there's something in the corner.

884
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to have this moment. It's really good

885
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: because you're gonna get the more like authentic, like very loose. Hey,

886
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: there's six guys in a room talking about what girls

887
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: they're into conversation and not so put together. To put

888
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: together gets old. I want to see Gary be like

889
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: I noticed something about Nancy and all the guys are like,

890
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: I didn't do. I think it's funny. I think it's

891
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: you know what, not like it. I think it's it

892
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: feels a lot more like my real life than anything

893
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: else that's happening.

894
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: Agreed. Now the Rose ceremony.

895
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're in the Rose ceremony. Now, we obviously

896
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 2: have to mention. The easiest Rows of the whole season

897
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: so far is the Spencer and Jesse Rose. They seem

898
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: to be never shown because I think they're just one

899
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: of those quiet, steady couples. They are one of those

900
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: couples to go back and talking about the beginning that

901
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: maybe would have the conversation of like, hey, I'm so

902
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: into you that it would crush me if you date

903
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: anybody else, And they both reciprocated those feelings, and they

904
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: could like be the the Jade and the Tanners, the

905
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: Ashley and the Jared's, like those couples that just work forever,

906
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: which is fun to watch. I have always been in

907
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: the camp of I know they might be boring, I

908
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: know they might not have drama. I want to see

909
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: more of them because honestly, I watch this show not

910
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: only to see people make fools in themselves and to

911
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: say things like debt it, but also to see love

912
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: come out, like to see love actually work from the show.

913
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: That's what makes this show so great is there has

914
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: been real relationships happen and new humans being born, and

915
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: we don't see enough of them.

916
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 3: I don't think, no, they completely kind of It reminds

917
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: you of like Brandon and Serene and those couples that like,

918
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: do you genuinely make it at least for like some

919
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: like portion, but yeah, it's like the only time you

920
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 3: see them is when they're doing, like their couple advice

921
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: for people like you never genuinely see them talking, and

922
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: we know, like being on the show, you have so

923
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: many conversations that don't get like shown. And I would

924
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: love to see them having like deep conversations about like

925
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: family and what they're looking for, even if it's for

926
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: a second. I agree. I would like to see more.

927
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: Want a cheer for them and root for them, but

928
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: it's hard to and you don't see them. Here's the

929
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: rundown of the Roses this episode. Chrisa gives her rose

930
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: to Brian. That's not a shocker at all. At this point,

931
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: it seems like they're a very steady couple. Bailey gives

932
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: her rose to Jeremy, Alex gives her rose to Andrew.

933
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: Natasha gives her rose to Gary. We've spoken about how

934
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: big of a moment that was and kind of confusing

935
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: and what that led into. Leslie then gives her rose

936
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: to Kim. We'll stop here to talk about Kim for

937
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: a second. Captain Kim. At first, April thinks Captain Kim

938
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: is very into her and that was missing the mark

939
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: he is. He's perfect for the show, he's not made

940
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: for ally television. No, he's such a good so serious

941
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: and so direct that I love to watch him because

942
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: he makes every moment a little awkward and.

943
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: He's so confident about it, even if.

944
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: He's so wrong, like he didn't have Leslie's rose. If

945
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: Natasha doesn't give her rose to Gary, Gary has Leslie's rose.

946
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: So when he said I'm going to be getting Leslie's

947
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: rose and I'm not going to be pursuing anything with April,

948
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: he was so wrong. He got lucky.

949
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: And then he wrote it in his little poem again

950
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: that he was so confident and he knew, like, oh

951
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 3: my goodness, yeah, no, he definitely is not meant for TV.

952
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: But you know, we need all kinds of characters.

953
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he has nothing. He has nothing wrong

954
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: about him. He's not hurting anybody in the process. I

955
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: respect his honesty, but goodness gracious, he just has a

956
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: way to make things a little bit weird. Yes, agreed,

957
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: And I appreciate it because I am right in that camp.

958
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: I think gives her rose to Keith. It feels like

959
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: a friendship is forming between Kathy and Keith. Jess gives

960
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: her rose to Spencer. Not a shock there. Jill gives

961
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: her rose to Sean. Is she happy to give her

962
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: rose to Sean in this moment or is this a

963
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: but grudgingly like I have nothing else to give.

964
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 3: I feel like at this point Jill is so mad

965
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: at Jonathan that anything that you know can work. Besides that,

966
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: she's kind of just like, all right, I'm gonna give

967
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: this a chance and pray for men tomorrow. Like that's

968
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: a bybe I got. I think she was definitely invested

969
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: in Jonathan, and that did confuse me. So I think

970
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 3: this is more of a we both know, we're just

971
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: like waiting for something better to come along.

972
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Kat gives her rose to Dale. We've talked

973
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: about it. It's very still up in the air in

974
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: that relationship. It's a good relationship to have in Paradise

975
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: because it does bring drama. I don't love the path

976
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: that the preview you seem to put this relationship on.

977
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: It feels like it just gets more hurtful and more sad,

978
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: and I don't want it for either of them. But

979
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: after Kat's last time in Paradise and how she publicly

980
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 2: said how much it hurt her, I don't want more

981
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: pain to come. Paradise should be kind of that like

982
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: Resurrection show where you reinvent yourself, you give yourself a

983
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: better light. You come out of the ashes and you say, hey,

984
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: I know what you think I am. I'm somebody different.

985
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: And it feels like pat or Kat is on a

986
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: path kind of walk down a similar lane that she

987
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: did two seasons ago.

988
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: I think she is, from what I've seen, getting like

989
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: a redemption arc and she has it, but it is crazy,

990
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: like you guys have. Kat was wild on my season

991
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: and so I again don't wish her pain with this

992
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: Dale situation, but if it keeps going down this path,

993
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: I do think she kind of might be the victim

994
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 3: in it. But again we'll wait and see.

995
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 2: April gives her rose to Jonathan. Jonathan is sticking around.

996
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: Based on the generosity of April, there was no romantic

997
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: communication for this rose being given. She just really likes

998
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: this guy and thinks he's the best and has straight

999
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: up told him, hey, if you if I was younger,

1000
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 2: I'd jump your bones. And I think what she's really

1001
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: saying there is you deserve your chance. And so he's

1002
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: sticking around for another week, which is good for the

1003
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: show because he kind of has that Andrew Spencer first

1004
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: season of Paradise vibe where you're like, he's a nice guy,

1005
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: he's attractive. It feels like he's gonna friend zone a

1006
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: lot of people.

1007
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: Well, so with Jonathan, it's like, Okay, I think there

1008
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: all comes a time where everyone needs to be like

1009
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: all right, like maybe this isn't for me. It feels

1010
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: like Jonathan is not giving anyone a chance. Yeah, just

1011
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: like Alex and then like no one else for the

1012
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: rest of the time, and then take a rose from

1013
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: a guy, and like all the Golden Women were saying,

1014
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: now we're down a guy. We have three men. So

1015
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: you took that rose and you're still not open to

1016
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 3: giving people a chance. I hope we see more next episode.

1017
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: Hopefully he goes on a date and it opens up,

1018
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: but I'm not seeing it.

1019
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this the Golden Men that go home? R j

1020
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: C K Jack go home. It is the question I

1021
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: want to I mean, it does seem like the show is

1022
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: now in a weird position. It just doesn't feel like

1023
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: the show wanted to be in this position. It seems

1024
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: from a production side to be a very unbalanced moment

1025
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: where there is so few golden Men when when you

1026
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: have so many people women and men going, we need

1027
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: more men here, Like this isn't looking like we wanted

1028
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: it to. There has to be more Golden men coming,

1029
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: I would expect, right.

1030
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: Hopefully, I mean, but we've already gotten two Golden women arrival.

1031
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: Like it's truly not fair I think for them or

1032
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: the young cast, Like how small this is, Like it

1033
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: feels like they all got the short end of the stick.

1034
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: I actually wonder and this could be a real price

1035
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: problem if the show had a hard time get convincing

1036
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: men from the Goldens to come on, and they had

1037
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 2: their like group and they had pictured out, Hey, this

1038
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 2: is how we're going to make it through and then

1039
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: the Jonathan scenario threw them off and they don't have

1040
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 2: a like anybody else hanging out the hotel.

1041
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: Why didn't they like send a young person down, Like

1042
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 3: why didn't they send leya down with the road?

1043
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: It's a great that could have been.

1044
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: Like an incredible like, oh my god, like Leah knows

1045
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: what she wants or I mean, she's the only one

1046
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: we've seen that's coming in like this week. But it

1047
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: just seems like an easy thing to do instead of putting.

1048
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 3: But they wanted that age gap grows.

1049
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: They it's what it was. I think they did. I

1050
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: think the show knew it would cause enough of an

1051
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: upstir to make the press and the headlines and to

1052
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: make people possibly tune in and go, what kind of

1053
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: chaos is happening on this show?

1054
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: I agreed.

1055
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: You know, obviously they bring it Nancy. So Nancy's one

1056
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: more golden woman. She's a hot commodity. We see every

1057
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: man on the beach kind of go. I'm into that.

1058
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 3: Heads are turned for Nancy.

1059
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: You know, I've said on the podcast before, Nancy's from

1060
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: the same place I am in Indiana. She grew up

1061
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 2: in the same lake, and I know in Nancy's family

1062
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: really well. I know Nancy. I love watching Nancy and

1063
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: Paradise because these men are trying to flirt and be

1064
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: like is it breakfast in ben She's like, we're not

1065
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: sleeping together, and I'm like, that is very on.

1066
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: Par I love her. I'm excited to see who she

1067
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 3: hits it off with.

1068
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: It's tough. I think it's going to be hard in

1069
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: Paradise for Nancy, especially with only three men left. Now.

1070
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: You mentioned Leah coming to the beach, you mentioned Nancy

1071
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: coming to the beach, we have really towards the end

1072
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: of the episode, for me, it was a lot of

1073
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: filler space to kind of figure out who's going to

1074
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: stay together and who's not. And obviously the Dale in

1075
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: the cat scenario, so is the overarching storyline to the

1076
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: end of this episode, because they kind of split ways

1077
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: once again after the rose ceremony to say this isn't working.

1078
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: We see Gary kind of turn down Natasha, and Natasha's

1079
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: kind of out on her own looking to see who

1080
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: she could possibly connect with, which is just brutal. I

1081
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: think to watch any of these Goldens feel lost, I know, I.

1082
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: Don't want to watch them be sad, Like that's why

1083
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: I love The Golden Bachelor.

1084
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to seem and they do seem sad.

1085
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: It's hurtful no matter what age, especially if they're not

1086
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: dating as much as like we are, Like this is

1087
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: their one chance to really go down and meet people

1088
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 3: who are willing to like date and like to see

1089
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: anyone get hurt. It's so sad.

1090
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: If I was them, I'd almost be in the mindset

1091
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: at this point too, like, hey, we have like four

1092
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: more days together here, Like, doesn't look like any of

1093
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: us are get in roses. Do you girls just want

1094
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: to party, like, let's just go have.

1095
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: Far genuinely, And I would like to watch the I'd

1096
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: like to watch them have to do rose ceremony and

1097
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 3: then be in the champagne lounge with Hannah Brown and

1098
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 3: having fun. Well the kids have the drama, and then

1099
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: we just get like glimpses of them partying like that's.

1100
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 2: What we want, and having the most like beautiful judgmental

1101
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: conversations about everybody dating, like they kind of commentate it.

1102
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: That's what we need.

1103
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: It'd be amazing because we get Kathy just you know, unveiled,

1104
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: with enough champagne in her to loosen her lips, Natasha

1105
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: saying what she says, Hannah Brown guiding the way that's ivy.

1106
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: Yes, it should be completely separated and they just don't

1107
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: have to worry about going home and they can make

1108
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: their connections organically, and then at the end we'll see

1109
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: if there's couples.

1110
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: I love it. Faith Martin also arrives at the beach

1111
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: One more Golden Girls, six Golden Women, three Golden Men,

1112
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: which leads us to the previews for the next episode. Uh,

1113
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: previews don't tell me much, but Rachel, really I think

1114
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: the most interesting part of this and where I think

1115
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: I've always your opinion on is this money element added

1116
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: to Paradise? First question, do you like it or not?

1117
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: I think again, going back, like it's too much, too

1118
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: soon for me, like it is, And maybe it's because

1119
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: I've been there and I just hold this show in

1120
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: such a high regard. It feels like they're like, all right,

1121
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: let's change every single thing and see what sticks. And

1122
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 3: I just don't like it. I don't like that they're

1123
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: changing to try to be other shows.

1124
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm with you, it does. I think we talked about

1125
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: it a few weeks ago. It does feel like they're

1126
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: like there to too late. One. It's not revolutionary. What

1127
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: the Bachelor always had was this kind of upstanding above

1128
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: reproach exactly, content that made us all go love is possible,

1129
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: even in the wildest ways. I really now. I'm four

1130
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: episodes in, I really hate I don't like the money element.

1131
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: I think it. I think it ruins this show to me.

1132
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: It is distracting me. It also makes me question everybody's motives, which,

1133
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: going back, the beauty beautiful part about Paradise was it

1134
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: was relatable because we knew your motives have to be

1135
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: pretty pure to stick around in a place that is

1136
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable only with the hope of finding love. Now

1137
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: you have air conditioning and money.

1138
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: No, genuinely, and I think it's okay whatever, Like it said,

1139
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 3: it's going back to the OG bachelor pad days. Then

1140
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: I want to see every single person knowing that when

1141
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: they walk in, I want to see how they act

1142
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: different knowing that. But now I have like, I don't know,

1143
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 3: it's just too much, too soon. I don't like it.

1144
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: I think it's so unnecessary bachelor's fantasy. Like you said,

1145
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: it's this love, and it's this it's OG. It's the

1146
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 3: first that it's a first dating show, and now it

1147
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: feels like you're trying to be like everyone else. Now

1148
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: we're like lost everything that we've had. And then Paradise

1149
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: was our one, like funny, humorous, like got to have

1150
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: the cheesy intros and we don't have even now nothing

1151
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: is the same. There's no bachelor to it.

1152
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: It was an escape to laugh with and at people

1153
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: and then go, I like you like at the end

1154
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: of Paradise, get married. Yeah, it's amazing, Like it had

1155
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: so many good elements. The money to me, Rachel distracts

1156
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: from all of it. I also, I don't know. I

1157
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: don't know the why, because if the why was to

1158
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 2: intrigue viewers one, they saved it for way too long

1159
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: in the season. You've lost all the viewers. If money

1160
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: was going to be your big you know, catch them

1161
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: all and and kind of like you said, people, we

1162
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: don't know how people are going to respond. It could

1163
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: break up really beautiful relationships. Half million dollars is not

1164
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: nothing like. It could definitely change the dynamics of the

1165
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: Spencers and Jesse's if all of a sudden, a half

1166
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: million dollars is on the table and they have to

1167
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 2: decide between each other after a few weeks of knowing

1168
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: each other. I just don't know the why it hasn't

1169
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: been clearly communicated to me and why this money exists

1170
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: and what it's for. I would I would be less

1171
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: upset with this season, and I still am watching it

1172
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: and I'm still intrigued. I'd be less upset with this

1173
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: season if I didn't have this kind of cloud over

1174
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: the whole thing so far, being like, but when is

1175
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: the money going to be introduced and what's that going

1176
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: to do? Because it feels like a whole different season than.

1177
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: Me, and people are not going to be coming down

1178
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: to the beach anymore, Like that's the point of periodise.

1179
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: I want to see bombshells. I want to see people

1180
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 3: like breaking out and breaking up or staying together, like Okay,

1181
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: now there's no more bombshells. And we have all these

1182
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 3: instable like or whatever couples like Jail and Cat. Yeah,

1183
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: they're going to be competing. They're fighting, like Jill and Sean,

1184
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: who are not Like, how did we get to this

1185
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: point where we don't have solid couples. Jeremy hasn't even

1186
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: told Bailey, and now we're going to play for.

1187
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: Half a million dollars doesn't make it.

1188
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't like it. And are the Goldens doing these games?

1189
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: I have no idea, Like I said, we have not

1190
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: that we have not gotten any communication on what this

1191
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: many means. We're four episodes in, uh what episode five?

1192
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: They're going to drop the bomb and be like, oh,

1193
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: by the way, you've been here the whole time and

1194
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 2: it hasn't been ideal, but you're here for a half

1195
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: million dollars. It feels so odd to me. It feels

1196
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: like they wanted to do this and they were trying

1197
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: to land a sponsorship, and they finally landed a sponsorship

1198
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 2: last week. They had some sponsored date by the movie

1199
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: and they're like, Okay, now we can offer a half

1200
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: million dollars without it, we didn't have it, but now

1201
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: we got a half million to offer these people.

1202
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like, yeah, it's just too much. It's

1203
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: too much change for me. It feels like they're trying

1204
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 3: to be Love Island in a way. But the challenges

1205
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: from the preview didn't even look like Love Island challenges,

1206
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 3: where it's like let's test chemistry and get drama going.

1207
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: It was like they were like doing these survivor challenges,

1208
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: like why am I watching tribal console and like a

1209
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: Love Island end, where's the engagement's? Like where is Neil

1210
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: Lane in this preview? Like this is not the Bachelor.

1211
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

1212
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Rachel Rekia stand on one

1213
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: leg for thirty minutes and see if she survives it.

1214
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to see it. It's not interesting to me.

1215
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 3: Let's switch out Jesse and Jeff probes, like I too

1216
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: much at once, too much once, and maybe I'm coming

1217
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: from like being old in the franchise, like I want

1218
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 3: things to be the same, but no, no, no, I

1219
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: don't like it.

1220
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: That's the best part about having a podcast is if

1221
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: you are wrong and people don't agree with you, they'll

1222
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: tell you, but they they also I think we're speaking

1223
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: to most listeners and watchers right now. From most of

1224
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: the polls and the comments and the feedback that we've received,

1225
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: people are feeling very similar to to how we are

1226
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: right now about this season, Rachel, as we close up here,

1227
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: any final thoughts based on the preview, based on what

1228
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: we've talked about that we did not cover.

1229
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm glad we got a chance to talk. I'm

1230
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: glad we're on the same page. This has been great.

1231
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: Okay. I love to do this with anybody that has

1232
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: a big moment. First Off, congratulations. Anytime you're asked to

1233
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: be back on television, it is a big deal. It

1234
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: means you are after Why should people starting August first

1235
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: on Netflix start watching Perfect Match?

1236
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be great. There's never been anything like

1237
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: it before. It's like the Dating Avengers. All your favorite

1238
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 3: people from across reality universe are coming together and it's

1239
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: actually different than any other season they've done. So it's

1240
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: gonna be exciting. And I'm on it and.

1241
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: You're on it. I was hoping you'd just say, like,

1242
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: watch it because I'm here. You can watch Rachel and

1243
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: Clayton August first on Netflix Perfect Match. Rachel, thank you

1244
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: for coming on Almost Famous talking about Bachelor and Paradise

1245
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: episode four. We will be talking to you again soon

1246
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: and also the Almost Famous podcast will be breaking down

1247
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: the Perfect Match every week and talking about all we see, experience, feel,

1248
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: and do.

1249
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1250
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. So if you're into Rachel and

1251
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: all these reality stars coming together to see if love

1252
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: can be formed, make sure you tune into the Almost

1253
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: Famous podcast. Rachel, thanks for joining us.

1254
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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