1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. We know that 3 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: PTSD is bad, really bad. 4 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: Over twenty veterans per day take their own life. There 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: are lots of reasons for this. The VA has a 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: protocol of a bunch of prescription drugs. I've had veterans 7 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: tell me they were taking over thirty pills in a day. 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: That is more problematic than you can imagine, for the 9 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: number of reasons, including that each of them has side effects, 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: so some of those pills are to deal with the 11 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: side effects of this, to deal with the side effects 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: of that, it's wrecking your liver trying to process all 13 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: of this. It becomes untenable, and some of them simply 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: give up take their own life. I am open to 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: medical treatments for everything, you know. I have a friend 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: who had debilitating cancer. He was given six months to live. 17 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 2: He they basically wanted to put him into a care 18 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: that was a pre hospice to go home and die. 19 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: He's too young for that, see, in his thirties, he's 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: a wife and two young kids. So he began desperately 21 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: floundering around for something. Came across a treatment in Mexico, 22 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: started going down there getting treatment for this, his tumors 23 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: reduced in size. He came back to the cancer hospital 24 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: here and he said they were disappointed when they told 25 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: him his cancers had reduced. They didn't want that alternate 26 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: treatment to succeed. Look, there's a lot of snake oil salesmen, 27 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: there's a lot of elixers like in the outlod Josie 28 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: Wales for whatever ails you that are scams. There are 29 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: some needs to have some level of proof of concept 30 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: before you thrust things on people. But there is no 31 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that the American people are being 32 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: denied the opportunity to try treatments, some of which may 33 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: work that other countries are offering and you have to 34 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: go there to try them. And that shouldn't be the case. 35 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: We should be the cutting edge. So this is Medal 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer in Austin before the state legislature, 37 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: testifying about the benefits of psychedelics to treating PTSD. As 38 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: the House votes overwhelmingly to pass a bill that would 39 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: fund a grant program for research in medical trials. We're 40 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: not going to play you, him speaking before the House 41 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: We're going to play you him three years ago on 42 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: Joe Rogan's show, talking about going to Mexico to treat 43 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: his PTSD with something called Iba game. They used to 44 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: call it shell shock. Yeah, I mean that's what they 45 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: used to call it before it was PTST. But troops 46 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: were coming back from Vietnam, they called them shell shocked. 47 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, I think that was me 48 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: for a long time for sure. I mean that was 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: me for a long time. Like, did you get counseling 50 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: for that? 51 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: Did you? Like? How did you I went to Mexico? 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: What was in Mexico? 53 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: I went down and I did ibergain? 54 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: Oh did we talk about that the first time you 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: were on the podcast? No, I think I did it afterwards. 56 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: Oh really interesting, But yeah, I know I went to 57 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: How was that? I gave me my life back? I mean, 58 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: it gave me my life back. Like I went down 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: and I just got to the end, and I talked 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: about in this book. You know, I was going through 61 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: my divorce. I gosh, I did you talk about not 62 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: knowing what was next? I mean literally, you know, just gosh. 63 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: I was just I was melting down, just melting down 64 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: from the inside. And finally like one of my friends 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: looked at me and it's like he's like, hey, I 66 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: just went and did this. This is the date you're 67 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: going you need to go do this. And it was 68 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: at that point, like, you know, I grew up in 69 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: Kentucky and I I mean, I grew up with weed 70 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: is bad, right, I mean all this, right, you know 71 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: what I mean. And for me, it was just such 72 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: a It was just such a to think that I 73 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: was going to go do psychedelics. Right, it was just 74 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: like such a like it was like a moral thing 75 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: for me, right, I mean it was a moral moral dilemma, dilemma, yeah, 76 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: And but I mean it was all I had left 77 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: and I knew that for my daughter's I needed to 78 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: do something. 79 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: State of Texas, according to the Census, has one point 80 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: four million veterans. Recent studies suggest between thirty three and 81 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: forty four veterans commits suicide every day in the United States. 82 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: Representative Cody Harris said, ibagain isn't just another drug. It's 83 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: a whisper of redemption. In a single dose. It can 84 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: silence the screams of withdrawal, quiet the cravings that chain 85 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: people to addiction, and mend the broken pieces of a 86 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: mind ravaged by trauma. It has been described as a 87 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: by Dakota Meyer as a hard reset. I don't know 88 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: if it works. I don't know how it works, but 89 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: I do know that I am very open and eager 90 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: for us to try things that might help people who 91 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: we send off to war and others, by the way, 92 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: who are suffering. To that end, Brian Hubbard is our guest. 93 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to the program, Brian. 94 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 4: Thank you very much for the opportunity to spend time 95 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 4: with you and your audience this morning. Sir, what is. 96 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: Your involvement with ibagain? Let's start there. 97 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 4: I am a former appointed leader in Kentucky State government. 98 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 4: I had the opportunity to run the state social Security, 99 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: disability and chine support enforcement systems, as well as a 100 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 4: law enforcement agency called the Office of Medicaid Fraud and 101 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: Abuse Control that investigates and consecutes medical providers for fraud 102 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 4: on that system. The last role I held in Kentucky 103 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: State government was as the first chairman and executive director 104 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 4: of the Kentucky Opioid Commission, which had its responsibility the 105 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 4: administration and oversight of almost one billion dollars in settlement 106 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 4: funds with which to combat an opioid epidemic that began 107 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 4: in the Appalachian Mountains of East Kentucky's southern West Virginia 108 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: and the Port of Virginia that I grew up in 109 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: in the far southwestern corner of that state. Within the 110 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 4: role of Chairman of the Opioid Commission, I said, our 111 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 4: very first responsibility is to look for Kentucky's Manhattan Project 112 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid dependent individuals. 113 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 4: Despite best intentions and the deployment of billions of dollars 114 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: in public money, our existing treatment options are delivering unacceptedly 115 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 4: mediocre results and we must do better. So from that position, 116 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: I started looking everywhere I could for what that opportunity 117 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: may be, and on July the twenty ninth of twenty 118 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: twenty two, I heard the word I Begain for the 119 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 4: very first time, and after eight months of intensive, due diligence, 120 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: research and critical examination that consisted of a second full 121 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 4: time off the books job performed over those months, I 122 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 4: came to the conclusion that I Begain had three powerful attributes. 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: One is that it essentially resolves physiological substance dependence for 124 00:07:52,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: opioids for alcohol, for cocaine, and for myth for which 125 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: there are no effective medical treatments to deal with ritual 126 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 4: in an accelerated time frame, and by that I mean 127 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: within thirty six to forty eight hours of an initial 128 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: administration for eighty percent of people who get it. 129 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: Bryan hold with me for just a moment. I had 130 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: him pictured as Colonel Sanders. He looks more like Jeremiah Johnson. 131 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: Roberts Restorers. Jeremiah Johnson were gonna holk up to a 132 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: lot younger than genius. Oh coup this morning and when 133 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: the Sunday sounds almost too good to be true, doesn't it? 134 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: A one time shock treatment of a product called a 135 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 2: psychedelic called I Begin that resets the system and addictions 136 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: and trauma. Man. I hope this is true. 137 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: I really do. 138 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: I hope it works. I'm all for it if it works. Absolutely. 139 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: I can't know if it works. I can't. There are 140 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: lots of promises of a silver bullet, but there are 141 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: also things that work. I really for the people who 142 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: would benefit from this, I really hope it does. Brian 143 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: Hubbard is our guest. He's executive director of the American 144 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: Ibagaine Initiative. Through the R. E. I. D. Foundation. Brian, 145 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: I had you pictured looking like Colonel Sanders, and then 146 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: you came off looking like Jeremiah Johnson. 147 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 4: Well. I always enjoyed the opportunity to deliver unexpected surprises. 148 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: And how'd you get so haulked up? What's your background? 149 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 4: Well, by the way of background, I grew up in 150 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: the cofields of Virginia. I grew up in a working 151 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: class family. I had two beautiful patholes who were grade 152 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: school educated coal miners underground for forty years, and they 153 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: were the guiding lights of my life. Like many folks 154 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 4: who are under the age fifty and younger, I had 155 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 4: parents who essentially had a relationship that I recall as 156 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 4: one of an amount of conflict and chaos and screaming 157 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: and hollering, and as a frightened young little boy, Papa 158 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 4: pulled me to the side of when I visit with them, 159 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 4: and they took great interest in me, and they'd say, look, 160 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: paf y'all knows you're scared, you're worried, you're frightened, But 161 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 4: you need to know two things. Path y'all loves you. 162 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: More importantly, God loves you, and God has a special 163 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: and unique purpose for your life, no matter how bad 164 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 4: it gets, no matter how dark things are or how 165 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 4: frightened you become, don't you ever lose sight of the 166 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: fact God is real, God is loved, and God's going 167 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 4: to take care of you and sir, if I hadn't 168 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: had those gentlemen given me that lesson from the time 169 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 4: I could understand language in July is about twelve years old. 170 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: If I were alive at all, I certainly wouldn't be 171 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 4: speaking with you as I am today. I would likely 172 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: be in some dark hole wondering what somebody who held 173 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 4: jobs like I have had it's going to come do 174 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: to pull me out of the ditch you ask. I 175 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: became who I am. I hope by the end of 176 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: my days I am half man that my grandfathers were, 177 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: and that is my greatest aspiration. So whatever virtue is there, 178 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 4: I credit to the benevolence of God in God's intervention 179 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: in my life through the two angels that he gave 180 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: me by way of grandfathers. 181 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: Brian Hobard, I first heard about I begin from Marcus Attrell, 182 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: and I wanted to clarify during the break that he 183 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: was okay me telling the story, and he did I 184 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 2: believe a single treatment, and he began evangelizing that this 185 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: was what needed to be done for veterans. What is 186 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: I begin and how does it work? 187 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 4: I began as an alkaloid. It is psychoactive that is 188 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 4: derived from three West African plant sources. One is the ebogaru, 189 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 4: which takes about ten years to come into maturation. It 190 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,239 Speaker 4: is the cultural pearl of West half a consident civilization 191 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 4: called the Buedis, and the Buedis have used eboga in 192 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: their cultural and religious ceremonies for centuries. In the mid sixties, 193 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 4: a gentleman by the name of Howard Lotzow had had 194 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: a heroin addiction that had nearly taken his life, and 195 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 4: he had struggled with it for nine years. He came 196 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 4: into contact with I a game that had been derived 197 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 4: from that devog route, and he had an experience that 198 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: lasted about ten to twelve hours, which is how long 199 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 4: I became list and at the end of it he 200 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: no longer wished to have heroin and he never went back. 201 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: And that touched off sixty years of intensive deep dies 202 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: observational field city and research to understand how this works. 203 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 4: There are two of the plant sources from which it 204 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: comes one is called the Bloconga Africana. It grows quickly, 205 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 4: it grows plentifully. It could grow in the Rio Grande 206 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 4: Valley of Texas. It is that environmentally suitable for this state. Uniquely, 207 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: there's a third source, the name of which I can't recall. 208 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 4: But what is known about I Begain as an individual 209 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: alkaloid is that it has the unique ability, as previously mentioned, 210 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: to resolve physiological substance dependence. It has recently been discovered 211 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 4: that not only does it interrupt addiction, but it has 212 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 4: profound regenerative effects on the brain itself. Our veterans, unfortunately, 213 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 4: are ground zero for multiple system failures within the United 214 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 4: States government, federally, state and local levels. We see this 215 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 4: as demonstrated by the dramatic rise in veteran suicide, the 216 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 4: dramatic rise and substance dependence among veteran populations that are 217 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 4: treated with a panople a pharmacology that at bottom essentially 218 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 4: and aesthetize the soul and slowly euthanize the body. And 219 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 4: as veterans have become desperate for relief that American systems 220 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 4: will not deliver, they have taken the hell Mary Pass 221 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 4: of a trip to Mexico for an eyebe game treatment, 222 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: and as they have returned in what are now numbers 223 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 4: in the thousands, and have advised that they have felt 224 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 4: the best that they can ever recall feeling in their life. 225 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 4: A cohort of thirty were studied by Stanford University. The 226 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 4: results were released in the journal Major Medicine on January fifth, 227 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, and those results were dramatic. Number One, 228 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 4: it has been discovered that I begain essentially resolves traumatic 229 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 4: brain injury. And what makes this so incredibly significant is 230 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,359 Speaker 4: there is nothing known within the medical universe that regenerates 231 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 4: the tissue of the brain itself, not one thing except 232 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: for I have again. Pre and post MRI images of 233 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: the veteran brains revealed that a single administration of i'm 234 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 4: again created a regeneration of the plant matter that covered 235 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 4: the surface of each of these veteran brains. Flat matter 236 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 4: is the electrical highway across which all of our faults 237 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: and impulses travel. Not only was flat matter regenerated at scale, 238 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: but the centers of the brain responsible for emotional regulation 239 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: and executive functioning grew in size and the average reversal 240 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: with brain age among the cohort of thirty was one 241 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: and a half year, with the top five veterans in 242 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 4: their brains reverse in age by five years. So what 243 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: we now know is that not only is i begain 244 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 4: a profound addiction interruptor, but it has the capacity to 245 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: regenerate brain tissue in the ways that are just now 246 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: beginning to be understood. And if we have the opportunity 247 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: in Texas to pioneer i be gain's pharmaceutical development through 248 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: the FDA's process, as champion by House Bill author Cody 249 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 4: Harris and Senate Bill author Tan Parker, we are going 250 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: to pioneer breakthroughs related to the treatment of conditions that 251 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 4: impact the brain for which we have no effective answers, 252 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: and these include Parkinson's disease, line disease, multiple sclerosis, and 253 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 4: perhaps even Alzheimer's disease. We cannot develop this medication quickly 254 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 4: enough and deploy it within the US medical system fast 255 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: enough to satisfy me or anyone else who is in 256 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 4: need of its curative effects. So all eyes are now 257 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 4: on Texas as we look for an opportunity to allocate 258 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: fifty million dollars to create a perfect habit partnership to 259 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 4: get this across the line. 260 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: Hould with me for just a moment, Brian Hubbard, we're 261 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: discussing ib game in Texas. Ib O G A I 262 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: n E. 263 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: Let me receive it all right. 264 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: Listen for the dial tone. It sounds like this the 265 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: Michael Berry Show shop tone indicates everything is ready for 266 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: your call. Thirty one days, Donald Trump will turn seventy 267 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: nine years old. Yesterday morning he did a lengthy press 268 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: conference boarded Air Force one, landed in Saudi Arabia to 269 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: multiple meetings. And it is six thirty three pm there, 270 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: six thirty four pm there, eight hours ahead of US 271 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia, and he is speaking at the US 272 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: Saudi Investment Forum. I would still be jet lagged. And 273 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: he hasn't missed a beat and didn't mention his age. 274 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: He's twenty five years older than me. Brian Hubbard is 275 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: executive director of the Ibi Gain Foundation. To be clear, folks, 276 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: we're not trying to legalize IBA game. We're not trying 277 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: to get you to take it. We're not making I'm 278 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: not making any medical claims. This is an attempt to 279 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: fund and study a potentially life saving drug, because that's 280 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: what it turns out to be Brian Hubbard. You've explained 281 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: a little bit about this drug. Talk to us about 282 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: how this let's say this thing is legalized tomorrow. I 283 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: know some folks who are investors in this I've come 284 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: to find out of late, and they're very excited about 285 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: the opportunity. And I'm all for people making money. That 286 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: financial incentive makes money break loose and want to fund 287 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: more and do more. But what does this look like 288 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 2: in five years ideally in your mind. 289 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: Well, let's begin with the acknowledgment of a very specific 290 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 4: financial reality. The US and healthcare system, as influenced by 291 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 4: the pharmaceutical industry, is currently one which prioritizes the delivery 292 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 4: of treatments of chronosity over treatments that can actually deliver 293 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: curative results. And one of the necessities for public funding 294 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 4: for Ibergain trials within the FDA's framework is to medicalize 295 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 4: this within the United States. Public money is necessary because 296 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 4: ibergain lost its patent as an addiction treatment back in 297 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two, so there is no big form of 298 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 4: profit profit incentive to develop it. Because of the way 299 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 4: in which you can resolve opioid and other substance dependencies, 300 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: in five years. What we would hope to have is 301 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 4: a fully medicalized ibergain treatment system, or an individual who 302 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 4: has whether it's traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress, or 303 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 4: Celsius dependency, can come into a clinically controlled medical setting, 304 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: spend anywhere from a week to ten days inpatient and 305 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: receive ebagain treatment. This is a very serious medication that 306 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 4: does come with certain cardiac risks and it's important that 307 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: this be administered by medical professionals along with cardiac care 308 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: nurses who are able to mitigate risk. And that risk 309 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: is the prolongation of the time between the beats of 310 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: the heart, which if they become too long, can lead 311 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 4: to cardiac or risk. Now, this particular risk can be 312 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 4: mitigated with the co administration and magnesium, and this is 313 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 4: something that's been known for decades. And this is something 314 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 4: that's been known for decades among folks who know what 315 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 4: they're doing with this. When a person takes what are 316 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 4: essentially appeals, and that's how it's currently administered in the 317 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 4: clinics of Mexico. You take appeal and then you lay 318 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: down once you begin to fill the effects and the 319 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 4: effects are usually accompanied by the sound of clicking in 320 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: your ears. And then you kind of feel a heaviness 321 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 4: and you lay down. Because I don't believe in preaching 322 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 4: what I ain't willing to practice. I underwent the treatment 323 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: to understand how it works and what the effect is 324 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 4: on the person. For about ten to twelve hours, you 325 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: are in a state of semi paralysis. You are at 326 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 4: all times oriented to person, place, and time. This is 327 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: not dissociative. If I were to take I have again 328 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: right now, in an hour, I could talk with you 329 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 4: as coherently as I am now, though I likely could 330 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 4: not walk. However, if I close my eyes, I will 331 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: likely see visions from my life's history, and I will 332 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 4: see them from a perspective that almost places me outside 333 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 4: of what my life has been, so that I am 334 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 4: able to process and understand those things that have happened 335 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: to me from a vantage point that is new and 336 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 4: one that helps me understand how to reorient my relationship 337 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 4: with myself and my relationship with the world. And it 338 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 4: is through this introspective process that individuals come away with 339 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: what I believe is Eyba Gain's most potent quality, and 340 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: that is its ability to affirm the reality of our 341 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 4: human divinity as children of an eternal creator whose essence 342 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 4: is almighty, unconditional love for each of us. Without an 343 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 4: acknowledgment of the existence and primacy of the human soul, 344 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: there is not any medical treatment that can be delivered 345 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: through synthetic pharmacology that can get anyone who is experienced 346 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: in despair anywhere close to where they need to be 347 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 4: to become a restored human being. There is the opportunity 348 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 4: to responsibly medicalize eye gain, which should never be the 349 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 4: subject of legalization or decriminalization efforts, precisely because of the 350 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: cardiac risk that accompanies it. It's a serious medication. It 351 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 4: gives a person the very best new beginning that can 352 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: be conferred upon them to rebuild a lift that has 353 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 4: been devastated by trauma and or trauma and addiction, because 354 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 4: at the heart of those conditions is profound spiritual affliction. 355 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: Can you hold there for just a moment, I want 356 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: to read something I read said? The United States outlawed 357 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: I began in ibogain in nineteen sixty seven alongside other psychedelics. 358 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: Regulators later deemed it a scheduled one control substance with 359 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 2: no accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. 360 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: In the same class as LSD and heroin. Now, I 361 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: don't know enough about ibogain to know, but I know 362 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: that LSD and heroin from my study, are very different drugs, 363 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: and that the people typically making these classifications or fearmongers. 364 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: I don't think that marijuana should be criminalized, so we 365 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: let's start there, at least not for adults. And I 366 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 2: don't want Tom smoking any in public, but that's a 367 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: different subject. But why do you think it was it's 368 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: categorized as this, and where do you think I know 369 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: you talked a little bit about under what terms would 370 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: you hopefully down the road if it passes the studies 371 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: and gets blessed that it would be administered. I know 372 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: you answered a little. 373 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 4: Bit of that. So let's begin with this classification as 374 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 4: a Schedule one substance Opportion to Growth Substances Act. That 375 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 4: was an explicitly reactionary, politically destructive decision that was made 376 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 4: within this broad based catchment of anything and everything that 377 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 4: was deemed counterculture to the establishment of the time, in 378 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: particular the next administration and it's broad based war on 379 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: drugs that was in many ways racially motivated. Our legal 380 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: system is populated with what I would describe as a 381 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: number of fictitious legal realities that are used to bind, torture, 382 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 4: and kill the truth. And I begains classification as a 383 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 4: drug or medication that has a high perpensity for abuse 384 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 4: no therapeutic value is a prime example of one of 385 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 4: these fictitious legal realities. For everything that has a recreational 386 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 4: abusive use, there is a substantial street economy that borders it. 387 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: We know where opium comes from, we know where cocaine 388 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 4: comes from, we know where meth comes from. There are 389 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 4: extensive black markets in the United States that distribute all 390 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: of these substances through our society. Most folks have never 391 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 4: heard about iyebagame because there is no street economy for 392 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 4: ib Again, there's no street economy for iybergame because it 393 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 4: is not a drug of abuse. It is a highly 394 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 4: unpleasant and challenging physical experience to receive this medication. Its 395 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: function is explicitly anti addictive, though unpleasant, and it does 396 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: not in any way belonging to the schedule one. 397 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: Brian Howard, I guess discussing iber game coming up. What 398 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: a reprintable picture and if you don't like them, we'll 399 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 2: reprint them or refund your money, no matter who's fault 400 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: it is the Michael R. 401 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 4: Show. 402 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: You have a photo map, your photo matters. 403 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: You know that it would be untrue. I consider myself 404 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: a libertarian, that being leave people alone to make the 405 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: best decision for themselves. A lot of people want to 406 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: make decisions for other people. They want to deny them 407 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: opportunities to do this, or that there are too many 408 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 2: fat people. We need a law that you can't eat sugar. 409 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: There's too much of this. We need to prevent people 410 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: from doing it. Because I don't do it, they shouldn't 411 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: do it. I received a number of emails during the break, 412 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 2: one of which said, your conversation with the Gentleman regarding 413 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: IBI gain is dangerous. I have fifteen years of continuous sobriety. 414 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: The only all cap way to get and stay sober 415 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: long term is by working the twelve steps. Oh okay, okay, 416 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: all right. Using a drug to get sober is dangerous 417 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: and doesn't work. However, by working the twelve steps and 418 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: going to AA or NA as well as working with others, 419 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: will guarantee that you stay sober. I know a lot 420 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: of people who've been to AA twenty times or more 421 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: and it didn't work for them. This isn't just an opinion, 422 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: it is a fact. Oh yes, there's always a person 423 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: who says my way is the only way. And it's 424 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: very important that you offer no alternative path to end 425 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: up in that same place, even if on a map 426 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: it appears to me this is my path, this is 427 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 2: the only path. I won't let you say there's another path. 428 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: It's very important to me that you validate my opinion 429 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: and my way because this is the only way in 430 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: the history of mankind that anything has ever succeeded. And 431 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: I know that, even though I really don't even know 432 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: what I begain is because I know these things because 433 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: it worked for me. 434 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 4: Uh. 435 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: Yes, people are fascinating. People are fascinating. Brian Hubbard is 436 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: the executive director of the Iby Game Foundation. By the way, 437 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get anybody to do aba game. 438 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: I'm scared to death to do it. This trip you 439 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: take ten to twelve hours. This does not sound like 440 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: it's a faint of heart. My goodness alive. But I've 441 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: also watched guys who struggled when they came back from 442 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: war blow their brains out. That trip they were going 443 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: through was worse than what this thing's going to be, 444 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: and why wouldn't we We will give our our men, 445 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: our warriors, every ship, every gun, every explosive, every air cover, everything. 446 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 2: We'll spend billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars 447 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: to send them to war, and we can't look for 448 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: ways to help them heal when they come home when 449 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: we know they're hurting. It doesn't seem right, does it? 450 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 2: Brian Hubbard? Let's wrap up. How do folks learn more 451 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: about this? If they would like to learn. 452 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 4: More, well, I'll point them in a couple of directions. 453 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 4: One is they can go to ibogain Texas dot com 454 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 4: and learn all about the Texas Ibvigating Initiative and its 455 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 4: goal of creating a first of its kind public private 456 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 4: partnership or by the State of Texas will lead this 457 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: country in the development of ibogain's breakthrough therapeutic potential to 458 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: address veterans suicide, veteran substance dependence, and other mental health 459 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: conditions that are brought on by the trauma of war. 460 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 4: Recognizing that veterans or ground zero for the most difficult 461 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 4: afflictions of the human condition, but certainly not the exclusive 462 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 4: possessors of those conditions, by virtue of the veterans walcome 463 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: through the door. Everyone else who shares in the burdens 464 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 4: of both trauma and addiction will be able to receive 465 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 4: with a successful Texas Project, the opportunity to choose this 466 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 4: treatment should they show wish and this very you said 467 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 4: it beautifully. There is no one size fits all in 468 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 4: the game of life. Every person is a unique individual, 469 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: and the pathway to recovery from trauma and addiction is 470 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: as unique as the person who has experienced it. We 471 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 4: are duty bound to diversify, expand, and improve on therapeutic 472 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 4: options within this society to people who suffer with any affliction, 473 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: and the opportunity Texas has with ima Game is one 474 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: to break down the door that has been erected by 475 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: the big phauma conglomerates that monetize sustained human misery. To 476 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 4: bring liberation to our sufferers in this life whose next 477 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 4: stop is the graveyard, but for the intervention effects that 478 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 4: an Eye a Game treatment can bring. You may also 479 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: go to Rally Texas dot org to express your support 480 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: for Senate Bill twenty threeh eight and House Bill thirty 481 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: seve seven seventeen to your elected representatives here in Texas, 482 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 4: whether they're your stay representatives, your state senators, your governor, 483 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 4: Lieutenant Governor Raley Texas dot org, please go there and 484 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 4: express your support for the passage of this critical legislation. 485 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 4: Whose state we will know by week's end. 486 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: I will quote my dear friend Marcus Latrell, who went 487 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: through the treatment, when he said, trying to abuse I 488 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: begain would be like abusing chemo medication. You don't want 489 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: should do it. You know, people fear that they don't 490 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: want anything to be legal because everybody's going to abuse it. 491 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: The most abused drug in America and has been one 492 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: hundred years of alcohol. It is so heavily abused that 493 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: most people don't even realize that they themselves are quote 494 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: unquote abusing it. They cannot imagine a life without it. 495 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: They couldn't hold a party without it, They couldn't have 496 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: the workers join after work without it. Some people wake 497 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: up and can't get till noon without it. They can't 498 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: have a lunch without it, they can't have a nice 499 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: dinner without it. It is so heavily abused. It is 500 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: such a major part of our economy, and it is 501 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: so much a coping technique, which is an abuse at 502 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: that at those levels, kidney, liver desk, heart desk, the 503 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: things that. But nobody's out there trying to bring back 504 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: prohibition because we recognize so people will say to me, Brian, 505 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: They'll say, well, you're right about all that, but we 506 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: can't make alcohol illegal yet, but we can keep all 507 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: the mothers illegal. But you understand that making something illegal 508 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: is not necessarily a benefit to society. Well, Brian, let 509 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: me wrap up by saying, I don't know the answer. 510 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: I've not done the treatment, and doesn't sound like I 511 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: want to do it. Marcus is a dear friend of mine. 512 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: He's pretty protective and he knows that my tolerance for 513 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: such things is a whole lot less than his, and 514 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: ha's challenged him. But I am interested in seeking out ways, 515 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: whether that be plant based, a psychedelic, or anything else 516 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: that can help people, not just veterans suffering from addiction 517 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: and trauma. And you know the early results of this 518 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: are are pretty good, so I look forward to hopefully 519 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: some more good returns on it. Thank you for sharing 520 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: your time with us, Brian Hubbard. 521 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time, mister Berry. It's 522 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 4: been an honor and or privilege to speak with Cuit 523 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 4: in your audience, and let's all hope and pray that 524 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 4: we have a successful campaign here at the end of 525 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: the week in Texas. 526 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: For I have again, thinker, brother, it is before the House, 527 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: and the House passed it one forty six to one. 528 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: It goes before the Senate now, and I suspect the 529 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: governor is going to side it. 530 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 4: Is it just me? 531 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: Or did Brian Hubbard sound a little bit like Walk 532 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: Goggins and justified Charlie did? Several people said, Charlie Daniels. 533 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: But there was a there was a Walk Goggins, you know, 534 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: Walk Goggins kind of kind of put on a Kentucky accent. 535 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: You know. That was Hazard County. I'm not going to 536 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: be a member at you or party the your y Ri. 537 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: I liked it. I could listen to him talk for 538 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: a while. It was a little bit Walkgoggin's a little 539 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: bit Foghorn, leg Horn, a little bit Colonel Sanders a 540 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: whole lot good though. I like it. I like it 541 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: a lot. He's an interesting cat, that's for sure. Hey, 542 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: look reading the emails, I know there's kind of a 543 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: split of opinion. What I would tell you is don't 544 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: be afraid of change, don't be afraid of experimentation. You know, 545 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: there's a reason they have test dummies in the automos 546 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: automobile industry to see what works and what doesn't. It's 547 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: okay to try things and fail. It's okay for us 548 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: to make mistakes in medicine. It's okay to give people 549 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: options of self treatment and different forms of treatment. It's 550 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: okay to explore what God put on this earth and 551 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: does it poison us or improve us? I mean, look, 552 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: you juice vegetables and you like that. You just don't know. 553 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: The point is keep an open mind, how about that? 554 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: But not so open that it falls out. 555 00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: Ramon