Speaker 1: Okay, So let's be honest. Whatever your dietary constraints, whatever
Speaker 1: your ethical beliefs, wherever you're coming from in life, one
Speaker 1: thing's for sure. Being a cow in these fairy United
Speaker 1: States is a raw deal. It's not cool. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are your options? Really? Not many? There's
Speaker 1: not many. And you know, of course, when you when
Speaker 1: you think about the uncooled life of a cow in
Speaker 1: the US, you're probably rightly thinking of the livestock industry,
Speaker 1: the enormous livestock industry. But there's another added twist here.
Speaker 1: There's another horrible thing that could happen. What if you're
Speaker 1: growing up in your cow and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: all the other cows you know are mutilated in the night.
Speaker 1: It's things for the rancher too, right, Ranchers already have
Speaker 1: pretty hard lives, and for decades they've and saying something
Speaker 1: is absolutely massacring night cattle. But what, Matt, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: could it be? In this episode, we go over some
Speaker 1: of the possible biological reasons, some of the things that
Speaker 1: are quite a bit more skeptical, but also some of
Speaker 1: the other hypotheses that are out there about someone or
Speaker 1: something coming down to the earth, just to take a
Speaker 1: gander inside of bovine. From UFOs to psychic powers and
Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can
Speaker 1: turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want
Speaker 1: you to know. Hello there, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel, and I
Speaker 1: am Ben. You argue that makes this stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. Guys, we had a we had
Speaker 1: a pretty cool response to our shout out corner. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: was it people asking for shout outs? It was, in fact,
Speaker 1: it is Uh, do do we want to do it
Speaker 1: one more time? Chat at corners? Nice you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was good. We're still feeling out the theme song.
Speaker 1: So our first shout out today goes to Jeremy Seth Brauner. Uh.
Speaker 1: Jeremy said, could you guys give an on air shout
Speaker 1: out to my wife and I Jeremy and Chantell, who
Speaker 1: just celebrated our one year wedding anniversary. Very nice stulations.
Speaker 1: Maybe a year, that's that's not an easy accomplishment. Guys
Speaker 1: of small businesses I think can't make it a year,
Speaker 1: especially restaurants, restaurants. It's a cutthroat industry. But congratulations Jeremy.
Speaker 1: Congratulations Chantell. And we've got another shout out fres shout
Speaker 1: of corner. This one is to j Collins. Uh, he
Speaker 1: says spiracy stuff. When you ask your listeners for what
Speaker 1: kind of skin walker they'd want to be, I'm the
Speaker 1: one who said a duck hashtag shout out corner. The
Speaker 1: next one goes out to Holly a k A Kawaii
Speaker 1: five a girl ghost. Shout out to you, Holly. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And also, Holly, you bribed us. You said I will
Speaker 1: send you boys a gift for the studio if I
Speaker 1: guess if we give you a shout out, so the
Speaker 1: balls in your court my friends shout out as currency.
Speaker 1: I like it, shout out as currency, you guys, this
Speaker 1: might be as big as ben Bucks, which I'm still
Speaker 1: working on right So thank you so much. Holly. That's
Speaker 1: very nice for you, and it would be cool. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you guys want. I've had a couple
Speaker 1: of things on my mind. I want to just a surprise. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: surprise is kid by which I don't mean like feces
Speaker 1: in a box or something. I mean like that would
Speaker 1: be awful. Thanks for showing me out here's some poop. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big world. Met people have different values. Uh.
Speaker 1: But actually, on a serious note, we're not expecting anything.
Speaker 1: We give a shout at. It's just a shout out corner.
Speaker 1: It's just a chance for us to introduce on air
Speaker 1: listeners to each other. It's just a fun thing we
Speaker 1: like to do. That's right, And one day I will
Speaker 1: get my boat back, thank you, thank you. And speaking
Speaker 1: of oh yeah, that's right, they did cheat that as well.
Speaker 1: And speaking of fun times and astonishing segues, have you
Speaker 1: guys ever spent time on a farm or visited or
Speaker 1: you know, mine's probably the weakest of of of our stories,
Speaker 1: but I did take a field trip when I was
Speaker 1: in elementary school to a dairy farm, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking that cows were very strange creatures
Speaker 1: to be close to, because it's like, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: you think they're dumb and they don't really care about
Speaker 1: what's going on as long as they've got what is
Speaker 1: it cut, you know, something to chew some grass with
Speaker 1: on which too munch um. But then you look at
Speaker 1: Vincent and you get the sense that there might be
Speaker 1: something going on you know, they might know something that
Speaker 1: we don't know. That's that's really interesting. Stayed with me.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, no, I would agree with you. As
Speaker 1: a kid, I had an elementary school friend who his
Speaker 1: grandparents lived in a very rural area in Georgia here,
Speaker 1: and they were just there's just farmland that just not
Speaker 1: even farmly, just pastures really, and they would just expand
Speaker 1: out and what we would do is go grab like
Speaker 1: makeshift swords out of wooden sticks and stuff and just
Speaker 1: kind of travel along around them this huge acres and acre.
Speaker 1: It just sounds like you had a magical childhood. Man,
Speaker 1: it was pretty dope. Got I mean, no nothing uh
Speaker 1: technological to ground me while I'm out there exploring. It
Speaker 1: was cool. But one of the things one of the
Speaker 1: other areas of land that was there somebody else's land.
Speaker 1: They had cows, they had there are a couple of
Speaker 1: horses and stuff like that. They were just roaming around.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that struck me when we
Speaker 1: were talking about this is what you just said. Uh,
Speaker 1: they seemed to be extremely gentle. I never actually got
Speaker 1: close enough to touch them, but they would just kind
Speaker 1: of hang out by the fence and like look at you,
Speaker 1: but they would look at you, you know, and just
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, cows only move out of distress.
Speaker 1: And apparently I read this somewhere. Maybe I heard it
Speaker 1: as a sinister thing a serial killer character said on
Speaker 1: a television show. Not a hun percent shure. But apparently
Speaker 1: one reason that they move is their mourning their slaughtered children.
Speaker 1: WHOA you think they know that well, cows our sapiens
Speaker 1: because you have intelligence, uh maybe not necessarily wisdom. I
Speaker 1: have a similar experience in my personal life, which, as
Speaker 1: you guys know, rarely talked about on air. But this
Speaker 1: might be enjoyable. So in one of the places I
Speaker 1: was living, it was adjacent to a fairly small cattle operation,
Speaker 1: but when you're a kid, everything is bigger. So we
Speaker 1: jumped the fence and go uh exploring in that area
Speaker 1: and sneaking into the farm late at night. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the statute of limitations is on this, but
Speaker 1: we never caused any physical damage, right, and I think
Speaker 1: how tipping is It is a dangerous thing for the cow.
Speaker 1: But we had invented a sport we called cow fishing,
Speaker 1: which is that we would go into um into where
Speaker 1: the cattle were set up for the night, get onto
Speaker 1: the second floor, and then take an ear of corn
Speaker 1: and tie fishing line around it and then tie it
Speaker 1: to a stick, and then we would go to the
Speaker 1: We would lean over where the you know, the cow
Speaker 1: was sleeping, and then we would sort of tap it
Speaker 1: on its head and it would look left and it
Speaker 1: would look right. We're trying to figure out if they
Speaker 1: could look up. We didn't know much about cows. And
Speaker 1: then we would extend this ear of corn in front
Speaker 1: of the cow's face so that the cow could see it.
Speaker 1: And listeners, you probably unless you have psychic how can't
Speaker 1: see it right now. But I'm gesticulating this thing. I'm
Speaker 1: explaining it nonverbally as well. To our friends. Kneel and
Speaker 1: that here. So I would extend this ear of corn
Speaker 1: out where the cow could see it and keep it
Speaker 1: far away because I was a stupid kid and I
Speaker 1: wanted to see what they would do. And that's how
Speaker 1: I discovered that cows have disturbingly long, almost prehensile tongues.
Speaker 1: Because the tongue comes out and then it wraps. I
Speaker 1: see it like wrap around this ear of corn, and
Speaker 1: I freak out and I dropped the thing and I
Speaker 1: ran away and I haven't been back since. You know.
Speaker 1: That's how in the game Minecraft you are able to
Speaker 1: ride animals, which consist of pigs and cows and horses.
Speaker 1: I think, um, you have to fashion a fishing pole
Speaker 1: and put a carrot on the end of it, and
Speaker 1: then you mount the farm animal and you you fish.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. It's true. I have never played Minecraft.
Speaker 1: It's not a good game. Like I just have to say,
Speaker 1: I can imagine that being terrifying a cow doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like an animal that would have a tongue like that.
Speaker 1: I guess in your mind, maybe especially as a kid.
Speaker 1: I'm not like a you know, a cow professor. It's
Speaker 1: also real purple and spitty. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a pretty intense thing. It looks like some sort
Speaker 1: of like mutant slug from like a sci fi movie.
Speaker 1: But but we do know that cattle are intelligent. That's
Speaker 1: one thing is coming up in all three of our stories.
Speaker 1: We do know that these animals have the ability to
Speaker 1: have their own personalities, right to remember other members of
Speaker 1: their of their pure group or if you want to
Speaker 1: see their family structure, their their tribe. And we know
Speaker 1: that there are a heck of a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many? Yeah, thanks for asking. As
Speaker 1: of January first, two thousand fifteen, according to the National
Speaker 1: Cattleman's Beef Association, they're eighty nine point eight million cows
Speaker 1: in the US. And that's actually up from January a
Speaker 1: whole percent, a whole one percent. Uh. This this translates
Speaker 1: to a forty four billion dollar industry. This also means
Speaker 1: that you know, these cows are broken up. Some are
Speaker 1: milk cows, most are beef cows. Right, And you can
Speaker 1: clearly listeners tell because after all, it is what's for dinner.
Speaker 1: It is his you mean the beef, right, and not milk,
Speaker 1: the beef milk. It's what's for dinner, that's all. We
Speaker 1: have bread milk stick so gross. So with this huge industry,
Speaker 1: with this livestock we are, I don't want to enter
Speaker 1: into too much of the argument over whether or not
Speaker 1: it's right to eat animals. That's maybe a different show.
Speaker 1: But we're just establishing that these things are everywhere. You,
Speaker 1: if you live in the US, have probably at some
Speaker 1: time at the very least gone by a cow field
Speaker 1: like cow pastor right. Uh. And the funny thing is
Speaker 1: that every so often in these ranches, in these pastors,
Speaker 1: when they call the cows home, all of them show up.
Speaker 1: And that is what today's episode is about. For anyone
Speaker 1: who just didn't read the title of the episode, it's
Speaker 1: about the cattle to get maybe stranded or just one
Speaker 1: straight a little too far away from the herd. And
Speaker 1: then it's like Homeward Bound the movie, but with like
Speaker 1: a cow I would love that, who would have trying
Speaker 1: to find its way home? Who would his sidekicks? It
Speaker 1: would be a precocious pig and a perhaps a fox um,
Speaker 1: all with celebrity voices. The only difference, okay, in the
Speaker 1: Homeward Bound version of that, And then the one that
Speaker 1: we're going to describe today is that it ends in advisceration, exanguination,
Speaker 1: and uh, the death of the main character. Yes, so
Speaker 1: what is cattle mutilation? Well, the typical definition of cattle
Speaker 1: mutilation is the killing um and figurement, disembowelment, evisceration, shall
Speaker 1: we say, of cattle under anomalous or you know, unusual
Speaker 1: kind of suspect circumstances, what, well, they often appeared to
Speaker 1: be partially skinned, or they have incisions that appear to
Speaker 1: have been done with surgical precision, which is pretty unusual,
Speaker 1: and often these animals are reported to have been exanguinated
Speaker 1: or drained entirely of blood. Um, they're soft parts, the eyes,
Speaker 1: their organs, all the good guscy stuff. Yeah, the hind
Speaker 1: cords are missing. Yeah, they're sexual organs as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty gruesome thing to have happened to anything
Speaker 1: any living being. Um, it's it's crazy too. It's not
Speaker 1: just we've been talking about cows this whole time. It's
Speaker 1: not just that cattle. Other livestock have experienced this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You'll you'll see it in I know, sheep
Speaker 1: and goats have been it's been reported in those two,
Speaker 1: in particular, deler horses as well. Yeah, we we've also
Speaker 1: there's one case that we might get to today in
Speaker 1: which is an excellent example of this. But but here's
Speaker 1: the deal. You've probably heard of cattle mutilations, right, listeners,
Speaker 1: I mean, the X files is back on, people are
Speaker 1: people are more likely now to check it out than
Speaker 1: they were previously. And we've often heard but what what
Speaker 1: are the initial reports We've always heard? Right, We've always
Speaker 1: heard like, oh it's uh aliens. No, no, no, my friend,
Speaker 1: that's a coyote. No, no, no, no, no, no, it
Speaker 1: was somebody else. Yeah, that was a human. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think something that distinguishes these cases from just a
Speaker 1: typical um animal mauling or an animal attack is the
Speaker 1: nature of some of the wounds. I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, a typical cattle rancher farmer is experienced with
Speaker 1: wild animals and probably be aware of what it would
Speaker 1: look like if, say, a coyote had attacked one of
Speaker 1: their animals, right, Yeah, And that that's a good point
Speaker 1: because ranchers see a lot of stuff and uh vets
Speaker 1: who work on on animals with animals also see a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And that's one of the big arguments
Speaker 1: will be getting to. So the various biologists and experts
Speaker 1: and law enforcement officers and ranchers investigating this over time
Speaker 1: have a number of like speculative causes, right and um,
Speaker 1: they're pretty much exactly what you're naming natural predation, scavenging,
Speaker 1: human intervention like loan killers a k A. Board teenagers,
Speaker 1: you're right, a k A. Future Dahmers, you know, or
Speaker 1: what was that guy, ed geen Gang? Yeah, the real
Speaker 1: life inspiration for the Texas chainsaw massacre, very disturbing stuff.
Speaker 1: Would love to do a show about that. And then
Speaker 1: there are the ideas that maybe humans but not just
Speaker 1: some loan, unhap happy kid, uh who you know what.
Speaker 1: On a side note, you would have to be a
Speaker 1: very very very strong, lone, unhappy kid to take that.
Speaker 1: To do your homework, man, I mean, you can't just
Speaker 1: go in half cocked and just you know, knock out
Speaker 1: a cow and then go to town on its soft parts.
Speaker 1: I mean you really have to come with a taser
Speaker 1: or some kind of like a mall. One of those
Speaker 1: air guns probably be the best move, Like one of
Speaker 1: those air guns they that the guy used in um
Speaker 1: No Country for old men that shot the bolt. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: as as we're going to find a little later that
Speaker 1: the the idea of any medicinal smell around one of
Speaker 1: these animals that's experienced this, or some kind of the
Speaker 1: surgical cuts perhaps even I don't know, man, there might
Speaker 1: be people working together on this. It might not be
Speaker 1: a lone person, right. What if it's a cult. What
Speaker 1: if it is some sort of government agency or affiliated
Speaker 1: thing operating in secret exciting stuff And we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: At this time, we have to say, though, that the
Speaker 1: mainstream news and most of the stuff you're going to
Speaker 1: read or encounter when you look this up is going
Speaker 1: to argue that this is the result of what do
Speaker 1: we in the video? We had a good line um
Speaker 1: Mankind's original and most brutal enemy nature, right, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: the first antagonist for this species. But let's look at
Speaker 1: the timeline because although we might associate in here in
Speaker 1: the US cattle mutilation with something from the seventies or whatever,
Speaker 1: the story of mutilating animals dates back, way, way, way,
Speaker 1: way further. Can you hear me going back? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: went so far back there. And the reason it goes
Speaker 1: back so far is because it isn't necessarily the slaughtering
Speaker 1: of an animal like this wasn't necessarily historically always for food, right,
Speaker 1: there was another reason sometimes, uh, you would slaughter an
Speaker 1: animal in a ritualistic manner to appease perhaps a god
Speaker 1: or God's Did you guys ever watch the HBO series
Speaker 1: Rome I have not. It's actually pretty good. Um. There's
Speaker 1: a scene though, where one of the main female characters,
Speaker 1: who is very wealthy head of a family, um, is
Speaker 1: trying to curry favor from the gods. I believe to
Speaker 1: have her son, the life of her son spared um
Speaker 1: in battle, and she goes into this temple where a
Speaker 1: priest conducts this ritual wherein a bull is walked out
Speaker 1: onto a metal grate and um basically slaughtered and gutted,
Speaker 1: and the blood pours down through the grates onto the
Speaker 1: character and she is drenched in it and then walks
Speaker 1: up the priest and says, your son will be spad.
Speaker 1: That's hot. Well, but blood, fresh blood is pretty hot.
Speaker 1: I guess yes, in several levels. So we're we're both agreeing.
Speaker 1: And it's fascinating that you say that, because this this
Speaker 1: is exactly what we're talking about when we're talking about
Speaker 1: sacrifice right um to gain fertility, right for the gods
Speaker 1: to look favorably upon your next endeavor in war, or
Speaker 1: you want to save your son right. And we know
Speaker 1: that this exists across multiple religions, multiple places. As Matt
Speaker 1: said earlier, we have some specific examples. One is practice
Speaker 1: that was called October horse or equas October in ancient
Speaker 1: Roman religions. What what would happen is there would be
Speaker 1: these three uh days of like racing chariot racing, and
Speaker 1: during one of these races, which always occurred on the
Speaker 1: IDEs of October. October. Uh, the winners of the two
Speaker 1: horse chariot race would sacrifice their right hand horse and
Speaker 1: this was propitiation to believe the god Mars. Wow, it's strange,
Speaker 1: but that's not the only thing. And this is why, No,
Speaker 1: your example of the show room is so good because
Speaker 1: it's based on some real life stuff that happened in Rome. Right.
Speaker 1: Our next example is that in the age of the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire, worshipers also sacrificed bulls, stop balls, stubb bulls.
Speaker 1: And they did this so often that we even have
Speaker 1: a word for it, and it is our word of
Speaker 1: the day, or I guess word of the week since
Speaker 1: it is a weekly podcast, tarro bolium more like whoa yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we every time I say you gotta go crazy.
Speaker 1: But that was the bull going crazy. And that's strange
Speaker 1: to me that that's a lot of street cred when
Speaker 1: something happened so often that there is a specific word
Speaker 1: for it. Well, maybe listeners throughout this podcast, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you can play along at home and when we say
Speaker 1: tarot bowling, Uh cool, that was great. And also this
Speaker 1: sacrificial right, it kind of carried on in several other religions.
Speaker 1: In Judaism you had the corbon, which was a whole
Speaker 1: set of sacrificial offerings. Uh. That are they're they're also
Speaker 1: in I believe in Christianity and Islam. There are different
Speaker 1: there are different offerings. Some of them are sacrificial in nature,
Speaker 1: some of them are symbolically sacrificial in nature. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: if you go back to the Old Testament, specifically in Christianity,
Speaker 1: you can find some sacrifice and going on. And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of specifics to like. I mean, you
Speaker 1: would sacrifice a lamb for a certain type of favor,
Speaker 1: and you know, a goat perhaps for another. It's interesting
Speaker 1: the language of sacrifice. I like the title of that.
Speaker 1: That that could be the title of something, the Language
Speaker 1: of Sacrifice, not as a book, but what an album
Speaker 1: that would be. Uh. And I wonder if in case
Speaker 1: you're listening to the show Radiohead, You're welcome. Uh. So
Speaker 1: the this is a great point that you're making old
Speaker 1: because anytime this had a religious angle to it, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just that I'm killing the right animal, well, it
Speaker 1: was super super important. It was also what day, what
Speaker 1: time am I killing this animal? How right, am I
Speaker 1: saying the right words. Are we wearing the correct vestments
Speaker 1: highly ritualized, highly ritualized um? And this is important. The
Speaker 1: reason we're talking about this today is because as we
Speaker 1: look at modern cattle mutilation, this is one way in
Speaker 1: which we could differentiate between the random acts of a
Speaker 1: predator and the purposeful, stylized even um machinations of a
Speaker 1: human being or a group or a group of human
Speaker 1: beings or a group of extraterrestrial spoiler alert. So early
Speaker 1: reports just go through this this part pretty quickly. Earlier reports. H.
Speaker 1: If you like our show, you may also be a
Speaker 1: fan of a magazine called The fourteen Times forty Times,
Speaker 1: which is magazine reporting on fringe theories and the paranormal
Speaker 1: is named after a guy named Charles Fort, who was
Speaker 1: an early paranormal researcher, and he actually conducted a little
Speaker 1: bit of cursory research into mutilations of livestock in the US,
Speaker 1: which is how we know that these kind of reports
Speaker 1: date back as far back as the late nineteenth century.
Speaker 1: And that's fascinating to to have it go back that far.
Speaker 1: I didn't know much about Charles Fort and the forty Times. Yeah, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I have seen it, unfortunately, yes, but I've I've seen
Speaker 1: it all over the place, and it mentioned specifically the
Speaker 1: forum the fourteen times where people will discuss the topics
Speaker 1: that we are generally looking up. But I had no
Speaker 1: real understanding of the back story, but we did in
Speaker 1: in making this video for this week, I found some
Speaker 1: old books, and one in particular that that is referenced
Speaker 1: here is called low l O exclamation mark, Yes precisely,
Speaker 1: and it has several several different topics that it goes through.
Speaker 1: And one of the coolest things the chapters are full
Speaker 1: on sentences, which is kind of neat. I appreciated that
Speaker 1: a lot. And we we know that despite these reports,
Speaker 1: this was not an issue of national concern for a while,
Speaker 1: that this would be instead a lurid story that's in
Speaker 1: a on the below the fold in your newspaper. That
Speaker 1: is until in nineteen sixty seven. So in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: seven this phenomenon reached the mainstream when um a lady
Speaker 1: by the name of Agnes King and her son Harry
Speaker 1: found that their mayor lady had been gruesomely murdered, mutilated,
Speaker 1: partially skinned, h de fleshed, shall we say, around the
Speaker 1: neck and head, and lady had also been exanguinated drained
Speaker 1: of all of her blood, the classic version of a
Speaker 1: cattle mutilation. N Yeah, it's too bad, it uh, And
Speaker 1: it occurred just for everyone's curious. It occurred in September
Speaker 1: of sixty seven. So this is not doesn't have a
Speaker 1: one on one connection with the old practice of the
Speaker 1: october horse. But that's a question that you probably had
Speaker 1: as well. This garnered this attention. It was reported in
Speaker 1: the Pueblo Chieftain. It was in Colorado, and after this reported,
Speaker 1: this is where Agnes's son, Harry, is the one who
Speaker 1: reported that strong medicinal odor, which will come into play later.
Speaker 1: Concerns over these so called mysterious mutilations of livestock went
Speaker 1: on as the years grew, and eventually it reached the
Speaker 1: ears of representatives of the government. So in ninety five,
Speaker 1: a guy named Floyd K. Haskell, Colorado Senator, reaches out
Speaker 1: to the FBI for help. He said, there have been
Speaker 1: reports of mutilations in nine states, and as far as
Speaker 1: he could tell, there were a hundred and thirty cases
Speaker 1: of livestock mutilation in Colorado. Now this is something our
Speaker 1: timeline gets a little fuzzy here because I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how aware UH Senator has Skeool was at the time
Speaker 1: that the A t F, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
Speaker 1: and Firearms, had conducted a study to see if there
Speaker 1: was any um truth of rasty to cult involvement. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind, this is during the time when there
Speaker 1: was a burgeoning panic over possible Satanic clos in the US, right,
Speaker 1: the Satanic panic, the Satanic panic precisely no, and this
Speaker 1: this A t F thing found that there there really
Speaker 1: wasn't enough evidence to draw some kind of link like that.
Speaker 1: They just needed to know and state level and instigations differed,
Speaker 1: but also had also had a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of disturbing numbers. Right, So for instance, we get a
Speaker 1: lot of information from the New Mexico State Police's investigation,
Speaker 1: wherein they found that there might be as many as
Speaker 1: eight thousands and estimated eight thousand cattle mutilations in Colorado.
Speaker 1: And they know for sure because again this New Mexico
Speaker 1: State Police. But in nineteen seventy nine, the FBI compiles
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff and based on Haskell's recommendation,
Speaker 1: launches a project called Operation Animal Mutilation, and they filed
Speaker 1: a report that was a full on two D and
Speaker 1: nineties seven pages long, and there are little excerpts of
Speaker 1: it that you can find online through the Freedom of
Speaker 1: Information Act. Fascinating stuff. It's just a lot of it
Speaker 1: are just reports from uh answer or someone who owns cattle.
Speaker 1: Why can't you get the whole thing? I think is
Speaker 1: it redacted? I have not seen the entire report in itself,
Speaker 1: but I have seen excerpts. You can view a lot
Speaker 1: of it online at the FBI's vault website, which is
Speaker 1: super useful but also super irritating because they've just taken
Speaker 1: scans that in many cases are not very well done
Speaker 1: and just take your skin and posted. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: can't search some by keyword. But I you know they're
Speaker 1: in a pickle of some sort because if they were
Speaker 1: just to type out or transcribe all of that ass
Speaker 1: searchable format, then I don't know about you, guys. My
Speaker 1: first question would be, what did you leave out there
Speaker 1: basically meeting the minimum compliance level of compliance? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: tax dollars. You'd have to pay some in turn or
Speaker 1: some person like us to go through and actually write
Speaker 1: out the entire document. So where does this leave us.
Speaker 1: The guy who is in charge of this as fellow
Speaker 1: Kenneth Rommel, and he concluded, let me make sure I
Speaker 1: phrase this correctly, gentleman. He concluded that the vast majority,
Speaker 1: pretty much all of these mutilations came from natural sources,
Speaker 1: predators and then later scavengers. There it's sort of the
Speaker 1: short round to the indie in terms of predators. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I guess we're gonna get into that a little later.
Speaker 1: Just that concept of when a what happens to a
Speaker 1: body when a predator attacks it. We're going to tackle
Speaker 1: that later, right, Yes, Okay, well we'll hit we'll hit
Speaker 1: on that in a minute. Okay, So one other thing
Speaker 1: you just want to mention this is a little bit gruesome,
Speaker 1: and I was on the fence about including it in.
Speaker 1: There was a mutilation case that was a little bit different.
Speaker 1: This stuff continues today. There was a mutilation case is
Speaker 1: very similar to cal mutilation. However it involved a human being.
Speaker 1: This is a disturbed in case. We're going to let
Speaker 1: you know where you can learn more, but we're not
Speaker 1: going to spend too much time on it. What they
Speaker 1: found is that there were various signs of this uh
Speaker 1: of this body discovered that had that that were indicative
Speaker 1: of the same kind of mutilation conducted on cattle. So
Speaker 1: cut at the base of the ear, signs of brain removal, uh,
Speaker 1: both eyes plucked out, UH, cuts under the skin, removal
Speaker 1: of uh sexual organs uh incisions into the body to
Speaker 1: take various extremities or organs samples and Matt, you have
Speaker 1: you have a place to point people. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: gentleman that you may already know named Richard D. Hall
Speaker 1: who has covered the specific case before pretty extensively, made
Speaker 1: a documentary length filled, like a full length documentary about
Speaker 1: this case and some of the surrounding things that I
Speaker 1: guess I'll run on the fringes of it and you
Speaker 1: can find that online. How I would go to the
Speaker 1: YouTube channel rich rich r a c H Planet UK.
Speaker 1: That's where I found a couple of clips and the
Speaker 1: full length documentary is available. He's got a website you
Speaker 1: can go to and check that out. Also, I can't
Speaker 1: believe I forgot to mention this body was found on
Speaker 1: a small island in the Guara Pianga Reservoir, which is
Speaker 1: in the southern southern part of Sal Paulo, Brazil. So
Speaker 1: makes you wonder and it leads us to it leads
Speaker 1: us to the big thing, the question of the week, right,
Speaker 1: the causes. So I'll start. I'll start with the easy
Speaker 1: one nature predators, right, coyote primarily, wolves, bears, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Yet here's the thing. According to the Department of Agriculture,
Speaker 1: at least here in the US, only about point two
Speaker 1: three percent of cattle loss can be attributed to predation.
Speaker 1: That means that zero point to three yea, less than
Speaker 1: one quarter of one. And we're saying is that this
Speaker 1: is kind of an infrequent, an infrequent thing already. So
Speaker 1: the mundane cause is already infrequent. The inexplicable stuff is
Speaker 1: a smaller part of an even of a very small subset,
Speaker 1: especially when you consider we're looking at ninety million cattle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially most of those cattle are in very controlled
Speaker 1: areas right there. They are grouped together in large numbers
Speaker 1: many times. And there is this the truth to safety
Speaker 1: and numbers. When you have a large animal like a cow.
Speaker 1: And then let's say, though, let's that's that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Let's say a cow does get taken down, wolf bear, mountain, lion,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Let's just have a predator. For the
Speaker 1: sake of argument, you got one awesol lot. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: say for some reason, a particularly vicious awfol lot manages
Speaker 1: to bring down on the cow and it's just a
Speaker 1: it's a rage kill lost like kills. It eats a
Speaker 1: little bit and then leaves to wreak further awful lot
Speaker 1: related havoc. Then the next step, however, are the scavengers,
Speaker 1: you know, the buzzards, the rats, the insects, the coyote.
Speaker 1: You show up late to the party, And it's interesting
Speaker 1: how these these different scavengers will not just work alone, right,
Speaker 1: and you're not just gonna have buzzards attacking something. You
Speaker 1: may they might finish the whole job, but there's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be some meat left. They get the rats, who yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And then well it's interesting too because some of the
Speaker 1: ranchers that have been interviewed about cattle mutilation, some of
Speaker 1: them maintained that the weirdest thing is that scavengers won't
Speaker 1: touch the bodies, which is an interesting proposition and not
Speaker 1: everybody says that, but it leads us to some of
Speaker 1: the weirder alleged causes. And the last thing, I just
Speaker 1: have to bring up here are the bacteria, the microorganisms
Speaker 1: that go to town after an animal has died like that,
Speaker 1: especially when you've got, you know, the bowels of an
Speaker 1: animal that kind of begin eating itself from the inside out.
Speaker 1: It occurs, like sadly, very quickly after the point of death,
Speaker 1: the body begins to deteriorate interiorly. Um. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that you see, you know, when people
Speaker 1: talk about how the sex organs and the butt was,
Speaker 1: it was all just completely gone and eaten out in
Speaker 1: the face and the mouth where all the bacteria grows.
Speaker 1: It's just an interesting thing to point out it does
Speaker 1: occur naturally. I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: valuable point to make. The let's go straight to the
Speaker 1: weird stuff, all right. Aliens, extraterrestrials et flying across the
Speaker 1: passable chasm of time and space to this tiny little
Speaker 1: mode of dust that's just flying around two uh. I guess,
Speaker 1: for the sake of science, eviscerates some animals. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta find out what's going on down here. It's
Speaker 1: it isn't It would be incredible to find a life
Speaker 1: on a planet if you're just flying around the cosmos
Speaker 1: looking for life, and all of a sudden, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: there is one that's a you know what, that's a
Speaker 1: really good point because it makes me think that of
Speaker 1: what we as humans would do. We're traveling to another
Speaker 1: planet and we encounter another life form, probably not on purpose,
Speaker 1: but definitely it's in the cards that we would just
Speaker 1: killed it out of it. Remember that episode of the
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone where there are these like benevolent alien overlords
Speaker 1: that come to Earth and they're taking groups of humans
Speaker 1: up to their home planet little by little, and there's
Speaker 1: the one guy who's like against it, and he thinks,
Speaker 1: you know, something fishy is going on. And it turned
Speaker 1: is out that they're actually sending humans to their home
Speaker 1: planet so that they can harvest them or like you know,
Speaker 1: what's the word, uh, you know, like cattle. Basically like
Speaker 1: they used them as a fat source. That blew my
Speaker 1: mind because there's a good twist. No, look, we had
Speaker 1: a we had a letter before where somebody, um, somebody
Speaker 1: freaked out a little bit because they thought we were
Speaker 1: giving them spoilers for a show. So before I say
Speaker 1: anything else, if you somehow think that it would be
Speaker 1: wrong to discuss an episode of The Twilight Zone from
Speaker 1: back before television was in color. Then please pause for
Speaker 1: the next two minutes while we talked about something that
Speaker 1: I assure you everyone else already already spoil it. Well,
Speaker 1: the great thing is that that particular episode has been
Speaker 1: kind of echoed throughout the popular kidding like Twilight Zone
Speaker 1: invented like almost every like Shamani in Twists. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many, there's so many. The reason I bring
Speaker 1: that up, though, is if there were aliens involved or
Speaker 1: some sort of extraterrestrial and you know, it's easy to
Speaker 1: be flippant and say, oh, well, if there are these
Speaker 1: highly evolved, technologically advanced extraterrestrials, why would they bother flying,
Speaker 1: you know, millions of miles to Earth just to you know,
Speaker 1: cut up some cows. You know what, if they're fascinated
Speaker 1: by the fact that we have these animals that we
Speaker 1: use for no other reason than to keep them in
Speaker 1: a pen, fatten them up, and use them to you know,
Speaker 1: subsist on, maybe they're kind of trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do that for themselves. You know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: something they lack in their society that they require, you know,
Speaker 1: some version of what we have as a species. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good angle. We have we need cattle, and
Speaker 1: it makes me it makes me think also as well,
Speaker 1: what of the old problems often encountered in science fiction speculation, right, speculation?
Speaker 1: Alien life is technology and technological evolution. So what if
Speaker 1: there are what if there is some sort of life
Speaker 1: for there that is just streets ahead of us, galaxies
Speaker 1: ahead of us maybe in terms of space travel, but
Speaker 1: in other ways, doesn't have technology that we would consider
Speaker 1: rather elementary. I mean, not fire. Maybe they don't have fire.
Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty basic one. And and and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they're cutting them open and taking these parts back
Speaker 1: so that they can test them and see if it's
Speaker 1: something that they could even survive on. It's just a thought.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know here, that's I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. What do you think about cryptids? Though? The
Speaker 1: idea that some as of yet unidentified animal could be
Speaker 1: responsible for this certainly would account for why we don't
Speaker 1: recognize the means of um of the kill, of the meat,
Speaker 1: the way that the animal is killed, that it's it's
Speaker 1: drained of blood, and that is not something we typically
Speaker 1: see in animals. That we are scavengers or predators that
Speaker 1: were aware of Yeah, you know what I mean. One
Speaker 1: ranchers said that place. One ranchers said that, uh, the cow,
Speaker 1: the cow that he had discovered killed, had about eleven
Speaker 1: pounds of blood. How would a predator eat eleven pounds
Speaker 1: of blood by like, by itself or get rid of
Speaker 1: all of it? You know? Well, maybe it was a
Speaker 1: goat sucker. Maybe that's maybe that's what it specializes in.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I mean, if if it's some
Speaker 1: as yet unidentified creature, it would likely have equipment, shall
Speaker 1: we say that we are not familiar with, you know,
Speaker 1: and something that would that would take to drain a
Speaker 1: large animal of all of its blood would certainly be
Speaker 1: something outside of a coyote or a fox or you know,
Speaker 1: a typical straw. Yeah, that sounds like some real coy
Speaker 1: do So boy, okay, guys, uh, here we go. We're
Speaker 1: doing the turn now. As much as I love speculating
Speaker 1: about this stuff and about the possibility of aliens and
Speaker 1: why they would want to come down and study cows
Speaker 1: because perhaps they are a higher advanced bovine version. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's what the aliens are, I have to say, and
Speaker 1: we have to move on to the idea that there's
Speaker 1: a human element somehow involved here, because I think it's
Speaker 1: a little more plausible humans know how to drink milkshakes.
Speaker 1: I've been in this room the entire time. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: I just want to establish that. So that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that is a great point though, because we know it's
Speaker 1: completely not only is it plausible, but it has happened before.
Speaker 1: We have an industry built on the practice of humans
Speaker 1: killing and mutilating animals. These are this is uh, the
Speaker 1: cattle mutulation that occurs now is different because it is
Speaker 1: not part of that system, and it also doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be I mean, it's certainly not beneficial to the
Speaker 1: cattle or the ranchers, possibly the animals doing it. But
Speaker 1: we the point is, we do know that humans have
Speaker 1: the ability to kill, to kill livestock, and to do
Speaker 1: so in a variety of ways. We talked about the
Speaker 1: virgin and serial killers, and it led me to a
Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask you, guys, do you think
Speaker 1: it would be possible to explain some of these things
Speaker 1: by checking for areas known for cattle mutilation and seeing
Speaker 1: if they correlate to the stomping grounds of serial killers
Speaker 1: or the hometowns of people who would later become killers.
Speaker 1: But it's such a needle in a haystack because there's
Speaker 1: so few apprehended serial killers. Yeah, we have no idea
Speaker 1: where they're lurking. Well, it's also one of those things where, um,
Speaker 1: a burgeoning serial killer, shall we say, um, who knows
Speaker 1: how long they might just mutilate animals before they actually
Speaker 1: move on to actually killing you know, humans. They could
Speaker 1: do it for years just just to practice. Just maybe
Speaker 1: they're trying to, um, not take it to the next level,
Speaker 1: and so they're you know, satisfying that urge just by
Speaker 1: killing animals in this way dark passenger kind, that's exactly,
Speaker 1: especially the ones with the surgical incisions and that whole
Speaker 1: medicinal smell thing wears me out so much. It makes
Speaker 1: me think there's someone practicing not necessarily even killing, like
Speaker 1: serial killing, but wanting to practice some kind of medical
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was gonna say, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say maneuver. Maneuver is quite the right word. But just procedure, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it would be a procedure, practicing a procedure
Speaker 1: on account Well, he this is. This is interesting because
Speaker 1: from the skeptical side of it, what I've seen is
Speaker 1: that numerous people say the effects of scavengers or bloating
Speaker 1: and dehydration can cause the skin to split in a
Speaker 1: way that looks as if it were an extremely clean cut. However,
Speaker 1: the ranchers who you know own these these cattle will
Speaker 1: say that they've seen a lot of stuff and that
Speaker 1: they know the difference between somebody with a hunting knife
Speaker 1: or an animal attack or a scalpel. And you can
Speaker 1: see people trying to reproduce the effects of this and
Speaker 1: not doing the best job, which is why we hear
Speaker 1: the old stories about lasers, which has not been proven.
Speaker 1: But it's all It's another one of those weird things
Speaker 1: where you hear about increased signs of heat, like there
Speaker 1: was a heat sourcer in the cattle, or that there
Speaker 1: was a even readings of radiation slightly higher radiation are
Speaker 1: caught or eyes as it cuts. Yeah, so it burned
Speaker 1: a little. Yeah, that's a really good point. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't seen any confirmation of that, but
Speaker 1: we do need to put that idea in this show.
Speaker 1: What I have seen a little bit more credible confirmation
Speaker 1: or allegation rather is in the state level enforcement reports.
Speaker 1: They do talk a little bit about cults. Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1: They talk about hooded figures. I think one one person
Speaker 1: in particular discussed how they or they made an official
Speaker 1: report of how they were stopped in the road. There's
Speaker 1: a roadblock with fifteen or so hooded people in black
Speaker 1: hoods in particular October, and they had to turn around
Speaker 1: and go in. And it just so happened that this
Speaker 1: was an area where cattle mutilations have been reported at
Speaker 1: a higher than regular rate. And in September the same year,
Speaker 1: another resident of Idaho, a Blaine County Forestry Service employee,
Speaker 1: also reported seeing a group of figures in black hooded robes.
Speaker 1: The next day they found several mutilated cattle. Dude, this one,
Speaker 1: I love this one. Well. What's interesting is that these
Speaker 1: are reports were made to law enforcement. So this is
Speaker 1: not just some Internet story that people are telling each other.
Speaker 1: It's not a spooky story to tell them the dart.
Speaker 1: We do have to keep in mind though, that there
Speaker 1: was widespread I don't want to say hysteria, it's satanic.
Speaker 1: Panic is the perfect phrase, uh, to to use your
Speaker 1: earlier phrase no, no, but it doesn't necessarily mean the recults,
Speaker 1: but it it is very strange. It's anomalous. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know the thought of a group of people getting
Speaker 1: together who have decided that they want to I don't know,
Speaker 1: practice of religion and older religion, perhaps in the middle
Speaker 1: of Idaho in the country singing. I mean that that
Speaker 1: sounds fun to me. I know that sounds awful, probably
Speaker 1: even me saying that too many of you, But really
Speaker 1: it sounds fun. Yeah. I think that's okay. Not necessarily
Speaker 1: the animal sacrifice angle or that segment of it, but
Speaker 1: the idea of having an older religion kind of revived.
Speaker 1: It feels very twilight zony to me, and I love it.
Speaker 1: Very close to Bohemian grove. Yes, I want to go
Speaker 1: so bad. Secremation of Care is that the name they're
Speaker 1: They're weird owl effigy burning thing it is. Thank you
Speaker 1: Alex Jones for getting video of that. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was a good movement. Is where it was very
Speaker 1: strange to see that. It makes me think of, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I did this documentary about the Georgia Guide
Speaker 1: Stones is a topic that we have yet to really unravel.
Speaker 1: I think we can't we wait to we need to
Speaker 1: have to take that field trip. Yeah, well no we should, um.
Speaker 1: But anyone who doesn't know. The Guide Stones are sort
Speaker 1: of a Stonehenge esque array of granite slabs that are
Speaker 1: inscribed with these sort of commandments for kind of like
Speaker 1: a new world order, like a post apocalyptic rallying point,
Speaker 1: shall we say, in this meadow um in Elberton, Georgia,
Speaker 1: which is not terribly far from where we are in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: But um. One of the theories about these stones, since
Speaker 1: the person who financed and had them erected, uh maintained
Speaker 1: his anonymity throughout the whole process. Mr. Christian, Mr rc Christian.
Speaker 1: But there were stories about how you know, and as
Speaker 1: tends to happen when their secrecy involved, people's imaginations run wild,
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of accounts of animal sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Actually interviewed a pastor at a nearby church for the documentary,
Speaker 1: and he swears up and down that there he rode
Speaker 1: by the site and saw people in hooded you know,
Speaker 1: hooded figures, um, laying down rose pedals and lighting candles
Speaker 1: and doing these like sultsticey type rituals. And he said that, um,
Speaker 1: when he started speaking out about it in his community.
Speaker 1: At his church, people would place slaughtered goat carcasses at
Speaker 1: his u you know, doorstep at his home and at
Speaker 1: the church, etcetera. Um. But point being, I think he
Speaker 1: was a little bit shall we say, exaggerative in his accounts,
Speaker 1: and I think it's probably very likely that he did
Speaker 1: see some hooded figures, but they were probably like you say,
Speaker 1: some folks kind of practicing sort of like a neo
Speaker 1: pagan kind of religious uh you know, um ritual I
Speaker 1: could say. And you know, I mean it happens even
Speaker 1: here in you know, in in Georgia and in rural areas.
Speaker 1: They're very attractive to folks that are wanting to do
Speaker 1: that because they want to go out and be close
Speaker 1: to nature and where there aren't many people around. And
Speaker 1: so I mean I could imagine people did see hooded
Speaker 1: figures associated with some of these things. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean there's always more insidious versions of these kind
Speaker 1: of rituals, and perhaps there was some animal sacrifice involved,
Speaker 1: as we talked about with Rome, you know, like why
Speaker 1: is it any less likely that a newer version of
Speaker 1: a pagan religion like what they practiced in Rome wouldn't
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Are we profiling cults, you guys?
Speaker 1: Kind of? I guess we are. I think the term
Speaker 1: cults is sort of like a odd catch all too,
Speaker 1: because of the majority of right. Absolutely, Because again, if
Speaker 1: we're talking about is if you're a Pagan, are you
Speaker 1: in a cult anymore than if you're a Christian? Yeah,
Speaker 1: one person's cult is another person's true religion, right, And
Speaker 1: I think the you know, we've talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about this, just to reiterate with a word like cult,
Speaker 1: one of the things that happens it is a word
Speaker 1: that springs up in opposition to something else. So cults
Speaker 1: are usually depicted as being in opposition to a larger
Speaker 1: religious doctrine, somehow underground. So is it possible Is it
Speaker 1: possible that there is a group of people or several
Speaker 1: groups of people ritualistically murdering animals as part of a
Speaker 1: religious practice. If that's true, If that's the case, and
Speaker 1: if they own the cattle, then legally is a very
Speaker 1: interesting situation because is it a right to practice religion?
Speaker 1: Is it animal cruelty? Does you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where does it? Where does it fall amongst all of
Speaker 1: these different categories and what's with the secrecy? I want
Speaker 1: to know. But there there's another group that some people
Speaker 1: might also call a cult that have been alleged to
Speaker 1: participate in this, and that is the Church of Uncle
Speaker 1: Sam and for a fascinating reason. Okay, so it's been
Speaker 1: alleged that perhaps the United States government some facet of
Speaker 1: it is sacrifice. Not they're not sacrificing. They're killing these
Speaker 1: animals in order to conduct experiments to track disease, in
Speaker 1: particular bovine sponge of form and cephalopathy or mad cow disease,
Speaker 1: which took me, which which took me forever to pronounce
Speaker 1: correctly in the in our video. It was great though
Speaker 1: making a face something. I just why would the government
Speaker 1: creep in in the night and do this to some
Speaker 1: poor rancher without compensating him for the loss of his
Speaker 1: his livestock. I mean, we have things like the c
Speaker 1: d C. You know, we have the U s d A.
Speaker 1: They have facilities where they can test animals and they
Speaker 1: can take samples and they send out, you know, representatives
Speaker 1: that will take samples or if they you know, need
Speaker 1: to test a specific cow in a specific area from
Speaker 1: a specific herd. I can't imagine they wouldn't clear it
Speaker 1: with the owner. And you know, these are good questions,
Speaker 1: but then also to add some to ask some more
Speaker 1: questions to uh the fire we're building for our own
Speaker 1: weird podcast. God here, let's also consider um, let's if
Speaker 1: this were true, why would they do it in secret?
Speaker 1: That's that's the big question to me. Would it be
Speaker 1: um because there would be a public panic if they said, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're like one missed cow mutilation away from an outbreak
Speaker 1: of this, this terrible disease. I think we all remember
Speaker 1: the mad cow disease. There were freakouts that happened quite
Speaker 1: frequently in the nineties. Do you guys remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I guess maybe you know to your point, it
Speaker 1: would be more effective to pull out the bits on
Speaker 1: site rather than to load up the whole cow right right, Again,
Speaker 1: they have trailers for these kind of things. Do they
Speaker 1: have unidentified black helicopters which several police officers in New
Speaker 1: Mexico and Utah have also reported seen or unidentified craft.
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing that I can't get past.
Speaker 1: If it is the government, if it if it is
Speaker 1: Big Brother conducting this kind of research, then what about
Speaker 1: the mutilations that occur in other countries, in other parts
Speaker 1: of the world. What, um, you know, what is the
Speaker 1: incentive for Uncle Sam in the various other governmental authorities
Speaker 1: to conduct these experiments. I mean, all the questions that
Speaker 1: you ask are still the ones that are stuck in
Speaker 1: my head. I'm I'm convinced based on what, based on
Speaker 1: what a lot of these ranchers have said, I'm convinced
Speaker 1: that there is something anomalous. Whether that is a perfect
Speaker 1: storm of predation, scavenging and circuit environment, or whether that
Speaker 1: is some you know, group of really screwed up college kids.
Speaker 1: What if it's a combination of all of the things
Speaker 1: we've touched on except from except aliens aliens? Maybe you
Speaker 1: can't say all the things us all right, all the
Speaker 1: things and aliens. But what if it's like happening here
Speaker 1: and there, you know, because if it's happening globally, then
Speaker 1: it's probably not just one cause what if the aliens,
Speaker 1: the serial killers and the government are all working together,
Speaker 1: them cows and they're the cult worships the same thing,
Speaker 1: and then it's all I like, I like picturing it
Speaker 1: instead like an awkward meeting, uh where people are expecting
Speaker 1: to run into each other. So you know a picture
Speaker 1: like a far side cartoon cow since in the field
Speaker 1: to realize it's it's alone, and then like a mountain
Speaker 1: nine comes out, and then like three people in black
Speaker 1: robes come out in an alien lands, and then Uncle
Speaker 1: Sam like in the red, white and blue outfit. Dude,
Speaker 1: you gotta draw that. I know now, I know. I
Speaker 1: don't want to tell on you, but you're quite the cartoons.
Speaker 1: I think you should draw the Eric Larson or has
Speaker 1: some fantastic images with aliens and cows. But can you
Speaker 1: imagine they all ran into to each other where you
Speaker 1: gave the same cow? How do you decide that? So good?
Speaker 1: Everybody's just playing rock paper scissors in the pastor oh man,
Speaker 1: since it feels like we're wrapping up, I just in
Speaker 1: the interest of continuing with the iconic nineties cartoon talk, Um,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention a comic series that we've
Speaker 1: mentioned several times, the Lock and Key series by Joe
Speaker 1: Hill and illustrated by Gabrielle Rodriguez. There is an issue
Speaker 1: and I believe the fourth trade collection where Um the
Speaker 1: artist who drew and created Calvin and Hobbes series Bill
Speaker 1: Waterson does a kind of alternate reality version of the story,
Speaker 1: and it alternates between his art and Rodriguez's art, and
Speaker 1: it's just it works so beautifully. And I can't recommend
Speaker 1: that series enough. Ben bought the whole thing, and I've
Speaker 1: been kind of borrowing them from him here and there,
Speaker 1: and I'm working my way through it and it's just
Speaker 1: so good. Can't recommend it. And I love that some
Speaker 1: some folks, uh you out there in podcast land have
Speaker 1: commented on our love of comics and graphic novels. Please,
Speaker 1: if you have any suggestions, feel free to send them
Speaker 1: to us. Guys, if you're okay with it, let's end
Speaker 1: on listen. On a local note for us. In January
Speaker 1: of this year, mutilation in Jackson County, which is uh
Speaker 1: close to small stomping grounds of Athens, Georgia, they reported
Speaker 1: a series of mutilations two cows right now. The Sheriff's
Speaker 1: office say says that in at least one cow, they
Speaker 1: think um scavengers cause the wounds, but they're not sure
Speaker 1: about the other one. So this remains something that people
Speaker 1: still talk about. There's a lot of stuff we didn't
Speaker 1: touch on today, but you can see some more in
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