WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Cattle Mutilation 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:06.160 Okay, So let's be honest. Whatever your dietary constraints, whatever 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:11.320 your ethical beliefs, wherever you're coming from in life, one 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.079 thing's for sure. Being a cow in these fairy United 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:22.280 States is a raw deal. It's not cool. Yeah, I mean, 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.560 I mean, what are your options? Really? Not many? There's 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.880 not many. And you know, of course, when you when 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.040 you think about the uncooled life of a cow in 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.960 the US, you're probably rightly thinking of the livestock industry, 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.800 the enormous livestock industry. But there's another added twist here. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.400 There's another horrible thing that could happen. What if you're 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.519 growing up in your cow and all of a sudden 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.840 all the other cows you know are mutilated in the night. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.920 It's things for the rancher too, right, Ranchers already have 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.200 pretty hard lives, and for decades they've and saying something 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:06.120 is absolutely massacring night cattle. But what, Matt, Yeah, what 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.200 could it be? In this episode, we go over some 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:14.000 of the possible biological reasons, some of the things that 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.520 are quite a bit more skeptical, but also some of 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.600 the other hypotheses that are out there about someone or 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.480 something coming down to the earth, just to take a 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:29.480 gander inside of bovine. From UFOs to psychic powers and 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.399 government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.760 turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:49.320 you to know. Hello there, welcome back to the show. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.480 My name is Matt, my name is Noel, and I 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.919 am Ben. You argue that makes this stuff they don't 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:00.160 want you to know. Guys, we had a we had 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.480 a pretty cool response to our shout out corner. Really, yeah, 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.200 was it people asking for shout outs? It was, in fact, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.680 it is Uh, do do we want to do it 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:17.320 one more time? Chat at corners? Nice you guys. Yeah, 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.280 that was good. We're still feeling out the theme song. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:25.280 So our first shout out today goes to Jeremy Seth Brauner. Uh. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.960 Jeremy said, could you guys give an on air shout 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.960 out to my wife and I Jeremy and Chantell, who 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:36.399 just celebrated our one year wedding anniversary. Very nice stulations. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:44.680 Maybe a year, that's that's not an easy accomplishment. Guys 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.720 of small businesses I think can't make it a year, 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:51.600 especially restaurants, restaurants. It's a cutthroat industry. But congratulations Jeremy. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.320 Congratulations Chantell. And we've got another shout out fres shout 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.360 of corner. This one is to j Collins. Uh, he 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.280 says spiracy stuff. When you ask your listeners for what 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.799 kind of skin walker they'd want to be, I'm the 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:10.360 one who said a duck hashtag shout out corner. The 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.240 next one goes out to Holly a k A Kawaii 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:20.680 five a girl ghost. Shout out to you, Holly. Uh yeah. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.000 And also, Holly, you bribed us. You said I will 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.560 send you boys a gift for the studio if I 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.800 guess if we give you a shout out, so the 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.519 balls in your court my friends shout out as currency. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.000 I like it, shout out as currency, you guys, this 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.760 might be as big as ben Bucks, which I'm still 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.720 working on right So thank you so much. Holly. That's 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.400 very nice for you, and it would be cool. I 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.560 don't know what you guys want. I've had a couple 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.360 of things on my mind. I want to just a surprise. Yeah, okay, 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.280 surprise is kid by which I don't mean like feces 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.160 in a box or something. I mean like that would 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.240 be awful. Thanks for showing me out here's some poop. Well, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.960 you know, it's a big world. Met people have different values. Uh. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:07.000 But actually, on a serious note, we're not expecting anything. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.840 We give a shout at. It's just a shout out corner. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.240 It's just a chance for us to introduce on air 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.080 listeners to each other. It's just a fun thing we 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.400 like to do. That's right, And one day I will 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.640 get my boat back, thank you, thank you. And speaking 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.560 of oh yeah, that's right, they did cheat that as well. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:30.240 And speaking of fun times and astonishing segues, have you 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.320 guys ever spent time on a farm or visited or 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.520 you know, mine's probably the weakest of of of our stories, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.800 but I did take a field trip when I was 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.000 in elementary school to a dairy farm, and I don't know, 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.640 I just remember thinking that cows were very strange creatures 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.400 to be close to, because it's like, on the one hand, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.479 you think they're dumb and they don't really care about 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.200 what's going on as long as they've got what is 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.400 it cut, you know, something to chew some grass with 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.880 on which too munch um. But then you look at 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.400 Vincent and you get the sense that there might be 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.760 something going on you know, they might know something that 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.520 we don't know. That's that's really interesting. Stayed with me. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.680 I'm not kidding, no, I would agree with you. As 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.440 a kid, I had an elementary school friend who his 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.560 grandparents lived in a very rural area in Georgia here, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.840 and they were just there's just farmland that just not 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.120 even farmly, just pastures really, and they would just expand 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.719 out and what we would do is go grab like 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.720 makeshift swords out of wooden sticks and stuff and just 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.360 kind of travel along around them this huge acres and acre. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.400 It just sounds like you had a magical childhood. Man, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.000 it was pretty dope. Got I mean, no nothing uh 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.800 technological to ground me while I'm out there exploring. It 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.520 was cool. But one of the things one of the 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.320 other areas of land that was there somebody else's land. 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.560 They had cows, they had there are a couple of 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.680 horses and stuff like that. They were just roaming around. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.960 And one of the things that struck me when we 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.839 were talking about this is what you just said. Uh, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.320 they seemed to be extremely gentle. I never actually got 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.600 close enough to touch them, but they would just kind 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.480 of hang out by the fence and like look at you, 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.200 but they would look at you, you know, and just 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:13.080 kind of like, you know, cows only move out of distress. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.200 And apparently I read this somewhere. Maybe I heard it 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.400 as a sinister thing a serial killer character said on 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.520 a television show. Not a hun percent shure. But apparently 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:29.120 one reason that they move is their mourning their slaughtered children. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.200 WHOA you think they know that well, cows our sapiens 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:37.800 because you have intelligence, uh maybe not necessarily wisdom. I 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:42.480 have a similar experience in my personal life, which, as 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.680 you guys know, rarely talked about on air. But this 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.480 might be enjoyable. So in one of the places I 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:54.960 was living, it was adjacent to a fairly small cattle operation, 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.360 but when you're a kid, everything is bigger. So we 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.320 jumped the fence and go uh exploring in that area 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.599 and sneaking into the farm late at night. I don't 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.320 know what the statute of limitations is on this, but 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.360 we never caused any physical damage, right, and I think 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.800 how tipping is It is a dangerous thing for the cow. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.880 But we had invented a sport we called cow fishing, 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.600 which is that we would go into um into where 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.200 the cattle were set up for the night, get onto 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.240 the second floor, and then take an ear of corn 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.120 and tie fishing line around it and then tie it 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.960 to a stick, and then we would go to the 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.320 We would lean over where the you know, the cow 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.000 was sleeping, and then we would sort of tap it 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.000 on its head and it would look left and it 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.880 would look right. We're trying to figure out if they 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.440 could look up. We didn't know much about cows. And 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.000 then we would extend this ear of corn in front 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.240 of the cow's face so that the cow could see it. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.520 And listeners, you probably unless you have psychic how can't 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.440 see it right now. But I'm gesticulating this thing. I'm 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.600 explaining it nonverbally as well. To our friends. Kneel and 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.040 that here. So I would extend this ear of corn 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.320 out where the cow could see it and keep it 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.320 far away because I was a stupid kid and I 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:16.880 wanted to see what they would do. And that's how 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:22.320 I discovered that cows have disturbingly long, almost prehensile tongues. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.520 Because the tongue comes out and then it wraps. I 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.320 see it like wrap around this ear of corn, and 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.200 I freak out and I dropped the thing and I 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.080 ran away and I haven't been back since. You know. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.920 That's how in the game Minecraft you are able to 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.199 ride animals, which consist of pigs and cows and horses. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.800 I think, um, you have to fashion a fishing pole 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.440 and put a carrot on the end of it, and 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.760 then you mount the farm animal and you you fish. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.679 I had no idea. It's true. I have never played Minecraft. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.240 It's not a good game. Like I just have to say, 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.000 I can imagine that being terrifying a cow doesn't seem 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.120 like an animal that would have a tongue like that. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.520 I guess in your mind, maybe especially as a kid. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.360 I'm not like a you know, a cow professor. It's 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.960 also real purple and spitty. I mean, it's it's a 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.840 it's a pretty intense thing. It looks like some sort 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.280 of like mutant slug from like a sci fi movie. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.600 But but we do know that cattle are intelligent. That's 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.560 one thing is coming up in all three of our stories. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.280 We do know that these animals have the ability to 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.760 have their own personalities, right to remember other members of 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.920 their of their pure group or if you want to 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.760 see their family structure, their their tribe. And we know 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.360 that there are a heck of a lot of them. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.400 Do you know how many? Yeah, thanks for asking. As 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.600 of January first, two thousand fifteen, according to the National 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:52.320 Cattleman's Beef Association, they're eighty nine point eight million cows 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.840 in the US. And that's actually up from January a 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:01.959 whole percent, a whole one percent. Uh. This this translates 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:07.040 to a forty four billion dollar industry. This also means 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.640 that you know, these cows are broken up. Some are 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:14.040 milk cows, most are beef cows. Right, And you can 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.560 clearly listeners tell because after all, it is what's for dinner. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.360 It is his you mean the beef, right, and not milk, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.839 the beef milk. It's what's for dinner, that's all. We 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:30.959 have bread milk stick so gross. So with this huge industry, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.240 with this livestock we are, I don't want to enter 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.400 into too much of the argument over whether or not 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.319 it's right to eat animals. That's maybe a different show. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.480 But we're just establishing that these things are everywhere. You, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.080 if you live in the US, have probably at some 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.480 time at the very least gone by a cow field 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.880 like cow pastor right. Uh. And the funny thing is 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:02.440 that every so often in these ranches, in these pastors, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.240 when they call the cows home, all of them show up. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.680 And that is what today's episode is about. For anyone 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.400 who just didn't read the title of the episode, it's 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.360 about the cattle to get maybe stranded or just one 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.200 straight a little too far away from the herd. And 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.520 then it's like Homeward Bound the movie, but with like 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.400 a cow I would love that, who would have trying 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.480 to find its way home? Who would his sidekicks? It 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:35.680 would be a precocious pig and a perhaps a fox um, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.840 all with celebrity voices. The only difference, okay, in the 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.400 Homeward Bound version of that, And then the one that 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:47.400 we're going to describe today is that it ends in advisceration, exanguination, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.120 and uh, the death of the main character. Yes, so 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.400 what is cattle mutilation? Well, the typical definition of cattle 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:03.600 mutilation is the killing um and figurement, disembowelment, evisceration, shall 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:08.199 we say, of cattle under anomalous or you know, unusual 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:12.120 kind of suspect circumstances, what, well, they often appeared to 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:16.400 be partially skinned, or they have incisions that appear to 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:21.080 have been done with surgical precision, which is pretty unusual, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.360 and often these animals are reported to have been exanguinated 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:31.760 or drained entirely of blood. Um, they're soft parts, the eyes, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.960 their organs, all the good guscy stuff. Yeah, the hind 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.680 cords are missing. Yeah, they're sexual organs as well. Yeah, 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.720 it's a pretty gruesome thing to have happened to anything 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:49.200 any living being. Um, it's it's crazy too. It's not 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.240 just we've been talking about cows this whole time. It's 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.440 not just that cattle. Other livestock have experienced this kind 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.559 of thing. You'll you'll see it in I know, sheep 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.480 and goats have been it's been reported in those two, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:04.040 in particular, deler horses as well. Yeah, we we've also 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.800 there's one case that we might get to today in 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.920 which is an excellent example of this. But but here's 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.600 the deal. You've probably heard of cattle mutilations, right, listeners, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.000 I mean, the X files is back on, people are 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.640 people are more likely now to check it out than 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:27.080 they were previously. And we've often heard but what what 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.920 are the initial reports We've always heard? Right, We've always 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.360 heard like, oh it's uh aliens. No, no, no, my friend, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.679 that's a coyote. No, no, no, no, no, no, it 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.840 was somebody else. Yeah, that was a human. Yeah. I mean, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.800 I think something that distinguishes these cases from just a 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:49.160 typical um animal mauling or an animal attack is the 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.400 nature of some of the wounds. I mean, I think, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:56.360 you know, a typical cattle rancher farmer is experienced with 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.960 wild animals and probably be aware of what it would 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.640 look like if, say, a coyote had attacked one of 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.040 their animals, right, Yeah, And that that's a good point 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:10.680 because ranchers see a lot of stuff and uh vets 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.719 who work on on animals with animals also see a 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.760 lot of stuff. And that's one of the big arguments 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.640 will be getting to. So the various biologists and experts 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.160 and law enforcement officers and ranchers investigating this over time 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:30.720 have a number of like speculative causes, right and um, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.680 they're pretty much exactly what you're naming natural predation, scavenging, 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.480 human intervention like loan killers a k A. Board teenagers, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.040 you're right, a k A. Future Dahmers, you know, or 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.000 what was that guy, ed geen Gang? Yeah, the real 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.960 life inspiration for the Texas chainsaw massacre, very disturbing stuff. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.480 Would love to do a show about that. And then 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.200 there are the ideas that maybe humans but not just 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:03.520 some loan, unhap happy kid, uh who you know what. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.480 On a side note, you would have to be a 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:11.240 very very very strong, lone, unhappy kid to take that. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.280 To do your homework, man, I mean, you can't just 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.040 go in half cocked and just you know, knock out 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.680 a cow and then go to town on its soft parts. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.320 I mean you really have to come with a taser 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.480 or some kind of like a mall. One of those 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.960 air guns probably be the best move, Like one of 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.520 those air guns they that the guy used in um 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.800 No Country for old men that shot the bolt. Yeah. Well, 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.640 as as we're going to find a little later that 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.800 the the idea of any medicinal smell around one of 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.840 these animals that's experienced this, or some kind of the 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.000 surgical cuts perhaps even I don't know, man, there might 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.880 be people working together on this. It might not be 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.640 a lone person, right. What if it's a cult. What 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.240 if it is some sort of government agency or affiliated 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.360 thing operating in secret exciting stuff And we'll get to it. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.200 At this time, we have to say, though, that the 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.160 mainstream news and most of the stuff you're going to 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.040 read or encounter when you look this up is going 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.360 to argue that this is the result of what do 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.560 we in the video? We had a good line um 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:20.360 Mankind's original and most brutal enemy nature, right, Yeah, the 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:25.200 the first antagonist for this species. But let's look at 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.400 the timeline because although we might associate in here in 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:32.720 the US cattle mutilation with something from the seventies or whatever, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:42.080 the story of mutilating animals dates back, way, way, way, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.040 way further. Can you hear me going back? Yeah? You 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:50.400 went so far back there. And the reason it goes 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.760 back so far is because it isn't necessarily the slaughtering 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:59.360 of an animal like this wasn't necessarily historically always for food, right, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.080 there was another reason sometimes, uh, you would slaughter an 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.800 animal in a ritualistic manner to appease perhaps a god 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.439 or God's Did you guys ever watch the HBO series 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.000 Rome I have not. It's actually pretty good. Um. There's 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.040 a scene though, where one of the main female characters, 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.199 who is very wealthy head of a family, um, is 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.040 trying to curry favor from the gods. I believe to 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.400 have her son, the life of her son spared um 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.280 in battle, and she goes into this temple where a 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:37.880 priest conducts this ritual wherein a bull is walked out 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.280 onto a metal grate and um basically slaughtered and gutted, 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.679 and the blood pours down through the grates onto the 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.200 character and she is drenched in it and then walks 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.480 up the priest and says, your son will be spad. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:58.080 That's hot. Well, but blood, fresh blood is pretty hot. 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.440 I guess yes, in several levels. So we're we're both agreeing. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.760 And it's fascinating that you say that, because this this 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.680 is exactly what we're talking about when we're talking about 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:11.119 sacrifice right um to gain fertility, right for the gods 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.040 to look favorably upon your next endeavor in war, or 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.119 you want to save your son right. And we know 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.840 that this exists across multiple religions, multiple places. As Matt 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:28.640 said earlier, we have some specific examples. One is practice 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:34.720 that was called October horse or equas October in ancient 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.679 Roman religions. What what would happen is there would be 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:42.480 these three uh days of like racing chariot racing, and 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.879 during one of these races, which always occurred on the 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.240 IDEs of October. October. Uh, the winners of the two 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:55.159 horse chariot race would sacrifice their right hand horse and 0:18:55.320 --> 0:19:02.199 this was propitiation to believe the god Mars. Wow, it's strange, 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.000 but that's not the only thing. And this is why, No, 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.320 your example of the show room is so good because 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.880 it's based on some real life stuff that happened in Rome. Right. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.639 Our next example is that in the age of the 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:21.080 Roman Empire, worshipers also sacrificed bulls, stop balls, stubb bulls. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.639 And they did this so often that we even have 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.399 a word for it, and it is our word of 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.960 the day, or I guess word of the week since 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:39.360 it is a weekly podcast, tarro bolium more like whoa yeah, yeah, 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.680 because we every time I say you gotta go crazy. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.240 But that was the bull going crazy. And that's strange 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.400 to me that that's a lot of street cred when 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.480 something happened so often that there is a specific word 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:56.119 for it. Well, maybe listeners throughout this podcast, Uh, you know, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.760 you can play along at home and when we say 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:17.199 tarot bowling, Uh cool, that was great. And also this 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.840 sacrificial right, it kind of carried on in several other religions. 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.600 In Judaism you had the corbon, which was a whole 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.840 set of sacrificial offerings. Uh. That are they're they're also 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.200 in I believe in Christianity and Islam. There are different 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.560 there are different offerings. Some of them are sacrificial in nature, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:41.119 some of them are symbolically sacrificial in nature. Um. You know, 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.960 if you go back to the Old Testament, specifically in Christianity, 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.719 you can find some sacrifice and going on. And there 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.399 was a lot of specifics to like. I mean, you 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.560 would sacrifice a lamb for a certain type of favor, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.960 and you know, a goat perhaps for another. It's interesting 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.840 the language of sacrifice. I like the title of that. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.480 That that could be the title of something, the Language 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.520 of Sacrifice, not as a book, but what an album 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.000 that would be. Uh. And I wonder if in case 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:13.720 you're listening to the show Radiohead, You're welcome. Uh. So 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.320 the this is a great point that you're making old 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:21.159 because anytime this had a religious angle to it, it 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.600 wasn't just that I'm killing the right animal, well, it 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.280 was super super important. It was also what day, what 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.479 time am I killing this animal? How right, am I 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.200 saying the right words. Are we wearing the correct vestments 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.840 highly ritualized, highly ritualized um? And this is important. The 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.280 reason we're talking about this today is because as we 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.840 look at modern cattle mutilation, this is one way in 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:48.520 which we could differentiate between the random acts of a 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:56.520 predator and the purposeful, stylized even um machinations of a 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.640 human being or a group or a group of human 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:05.639 beings or a group of extraterrestrial spoiler alert. So early 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.600 reports just go through this this part pretty quickly. Earlier reports. H. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.000 If you like our show, you may also be a 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:17.000 fan of a magazine called The fourteen Times forty Times, 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.920 which is magazine reporting on fringe theories and the paranormal 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.959 is named after a guy named Charles Fort, who was 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:28.760 an early paranormal researcher, and he actually conducted a little 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:34.479 bit of cursory research into mutilations of livestock in the US, 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.639 which is how we know that these kind of reports 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.800 date back as far back as the late nineteenth century. 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.400 And that's fascinating to to have it go back that far. 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.879 I didn't know much about Charles Fort and the forty Times. Yeah, unfortunately, 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:52.560 I have seen it, unfortunately, yes, but I've I've seen 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.960 it all over the place, and it mentioned specifically the 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.880 forum the fourteen times where people will discuss the topics 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.520 that we are generally looking up. But I had no 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.679 real understanding of the back story, but we did in 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:06.919 in making this video for this week, I found some 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:11.320 old books, and one in particular that that is referenced 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:17.800 here is called low l O exclamation mark, Yes precisely, 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.160 and it has several several different topics that it goes through. 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.800 And one of the coolest things the chapters are full 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:27.600 on sentences, which is kind of neat. I appreciated that 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:32.680 a lot. And we we know that despite these reports, 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.160 this was not an issue of national concern for a while, 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.199 that this would be instead a lurid story that's in 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:43.240 a on the below the fold in your newspaper. That 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:48.320 is until in nineteen sixty seven. So in nineteen sixty 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:53.800 seven this phenomenon reached the mainstream when um a lady 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.960 by the name of Agnes King and her son Harry 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:04.040 found that their mayor lady had been gruesomely murdered, mutilated, 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:08.480 partially skinned, h de fleshed, shall we say, around the 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:13.520 neck and head, and lady had also been exanguinated drained 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.760 of all of her blood, the classic version of a 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:22.000 cattle mutilation. N Yeah, it's too bad, it uh, And 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.439 it occurred just for everyone's curious. It occurred in September 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.679 of sixty seven. So this is not doesn't have a 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.919 one on one connection with the old practice of the 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:34.520 october horse. But that's a question that you probably had 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:39.640 as well. This garnered this attention. It was reported in 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:44.240 the Pueblo Chieftain. It was in Colorado, and after this reported, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.720 this is where Agnes's son, Harry, is the one who 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.800 reported that strong medicinal odor, which will come into play later. 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.520 Concerns over these so called mysterious mutilations of livestock went 0:24:54.600 --> 0:25:00.800 on as the years grew, and eventually it reached the 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:05.280 ears of representatives of the government. So in ninety five, 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:10.120 a guy named Floyd K. Haskell, Colorado Senator, reaches out 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.360 to the FBI for help. He said, there have been 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.239