1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's be honest. Whatever your dietary constraints, whatever 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: your ethical beliefs, wherever you're coming from in life, one 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: thing's for sure. Being a cow in these fairy United 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: States is a raw deal. It's not cool. Yeah, I mean, 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean, what are your options? Really? Not many? There's 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: not many. And you know, of course, when you when 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: you think about the uncooled life of a cow in 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: the US, you're probably rightly thinking of the livestock industry, 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: the enormous livestock industry. But there's another added twist here. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: There's another horrible thing that could happen. What if you're 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: growing up in your cow and all of a sudden 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: all the other cows you know are mutilated in the night. 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: It's things for the rancher too, right, Ranchers already have 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: pretty hard lives, and for decades they've and saying something 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: is absolutely massacring night cattle. But what, Matt, Yeah, what 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: could it be? In this episode, we go over some 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: of the possible biological reasons, some of the things that 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: are quite a bit more skeptical, but also some of 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: the other hypotheses that are out there about someone or 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: something coming down to the earth, just to take a 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: gander inside of bovine. From UFOs to psychic powers and 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: you to know. Hello there, welcome back to the show. 25 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel, and I 26 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 1: am Ben. You argue that makes this stuff they don't 27 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: want you to know. Guys, we had a we had 28 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: a pretty cool response to our shout out corner. Really, yeah, 29 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: was it people asking for shout outs? It was, in fact, 30 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: it is Uh, do do we want to do it 31 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: one more time? Chat at corners? Nice you guys. Yeah, 32 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: that was good. We're still feeling out the theme song. 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: So our first shout out today goes to Jeremy Seth Brauner. Uh. 34 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: Jeremy said, could you guys give an on air shout 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: out to my wife and I Jeremy and Chantell, who 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: just celebrated our one year wedding anniversary. Very nice stulations. 37 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: Maybe a year, that's that's not an easy accomplishment. Guys 38 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: of small businesses I think can't make it a year, 39 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: especially restaurants, restaurants. It's a cutthroat industry. But congratulations Jeremy. 40 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: Congratulations Chantell. And we've got another shout out fres shout 41 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: of corner. This one is to j Collins. Uh, he 42 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: says spiracy stuff. When you ask your listeners for what 43 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: kind of skin walker they'd want to be, I'm the 44 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: one who said a duck hashtag shout out corner. The 45 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: next one goes out to Holly a k A Kawaii 46 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: five a girl ghost. Shout out to you, Holly. Uh yeah. 47 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: And also, Holly, you bribed us. You said I will 48 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: send you boys a gift for the studio if I 49 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: guess if we give you a shout out, so the 50 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: balls in your court my friends shout out as currency. 51 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: I like it, shout out as currency, you guys, this 52 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: might be as big as ben Bucks, which I'm still 53 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: working on right So thank you so much. Holly. That's 54 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: very nice for you, and it would be cool. I 55 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: don't know what you guys want. I've had a couple 56 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: of things on my mind. I want to just a surprise. Yeah, okay, 57 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: surprise is kid by which I don't mean like feces 58 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: in a box or something. I mean like that would 59 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: be awful. Thanks for showing me out here's some poop. Well, 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's a big world. Met people have different values. Uh. 61 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: But actually, on a serious note, we're not expecting anything. 62 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: We give a shout at. It's just a shout out corner. 63 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: It's just a chance for us to introduce on air 64 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: listeners to each other. It's just a fun thing we 65 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: like to do. That's right, And one day I will 66 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: get my boat back, thank you, thank you. And speaking 67 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: of oh yeah, that's right, they did cheat that as well. 68 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: And speaking of fun times and astonishing segues, have you 69 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: guys ever spent time on a farm or visited or 70 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, mine's probably the weakest of of of our stories, 71 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: but I did take a field trip when I was 72 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: in elementary school to a dairy farm, and I don't know, 73 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking that cows were very strange creatures 74 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: to be close to, because it's like, on the one hand, 75 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: you think they're dumb and they don't really care about 76 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: what's going on as long as they've got what is 77 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: it cut, you know, something to chew some grass with 78 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: on which too munch um. But then you look at 79 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Vincent and you get the sense that there might be 80 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: something going on you know, they might know something that 81 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: we don't know. That's that's really interesting. Stayed with me. 82 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, no, I would agree with you. As 83 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: a kid, I had an elementary school friend who his 84 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: grandparents lived in a very rural area in Georgia here, 85 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: and they were just there's just farmland that just not 86 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: even farmly, just pastures really, and they would just expand 87 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: out and what we would do is go grab like 88 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: makeshift swords out of wooden sticks and stuff and just 89 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of travel along around them this huge acres and acre. 90 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: It just sounds like you had a magical childhood. Man, 91 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: it was pretty dope. Got I mean, no nothing uh 92 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: technological to ground me while I'm out there exploring. It 93 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: was cool. But one of the things one of the 94 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: other areas of land that was there somebody else's land. 95 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: They had cows, they had there are a couple of 96 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: horses and stuff like that. They were just roaming around. 97 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: And one of the things that struck me when we 98 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: were talking about this is what you just said. Uh, 99 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: they seemed to be extremely gentle. I never actually got 100 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: close enough to touch them, but they would just kind 101 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: of hang out by the fence and like look at you, 102 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: but they would look at you, you know, and just 103 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, cows only move out of distress. 104 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: And apparently I read this somewhere. Maybe I heard it 105 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: as a sinister thing a serial killer character said on 106 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: a television show. Not a hun percent shure. But apparently 107 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: one reason that they move is their mourning their slaughtered children. 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: WHOA you think they know that well, cows our sapiens 109 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: because you have intelligence, uh maybe not necessarily wisdom. I 110 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: have a similar experience in my personal life, which, as 111 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: you guys know, rarely talked about on air. But this 112 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: might be enjoyable. So in one of the places I 113 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: was living, it was adjacent to a fairly small cattle operation, 114 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: but when you're a kid, everything is bigger. So we 115 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: jumped the fence and go uh exploring in that area 116 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: and sneaking into the farm late at night. I don't 117 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: know what the statute of limitations is on this, but 118 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: we never caused any physical damage, right, and I think 119 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: how tipping is It is a dangerous thing for the cow. 120 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: But we had invented a sport we called cow fishing, 121 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: which is that we would go into um into where 122 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: the cattle were set up for the night, get onto 123 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: the second floor, and then take an ear of corn 124 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: and tie fishing line around it and then tie it 125 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: to a stick, and then we would go to the 126 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: We would lean over where the you know, the cow 127 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: was sleeping, and then we would sort of tap it 128 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: on its head and it would look left and it 129 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: would look right. We're trying to figure out if they 130 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: could look up. We didn't know much about cows. And 131 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: then we would extend this ear of corn in front 132 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: of the cow's face so that the cow could see it. 133 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: And listeners, you probably unless you have psychic how can't 134 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: see it right now. But I'm gesticulating this thing. I'm 135 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: explaining it nonverbally as well. To our friends. Kneel and 136 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: that here. So I would extend this ear of corn 137 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: out where the cow could see it and keep it 138 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: far away because I was a stupid kid and I 139 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: wanted to see what they would do. And that's how 140 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: I discovered that cows have disturbingly long, almost prehensile tongues. 141 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: Because the tongue comes out and then it wraps. I 142 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: see it like wrap around this ear of corn, and 143 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: I freak out and I dropped the thing and I 144 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: ran away and I haven't been back since. You know. 145 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: That's how in the game Minecraft you are able to 146 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: ride animals, which consist of pigs and cows and horses. 147 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: I think, um, you have to fashion a fishing pole 148 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: and put a carrot on the end of it, and 149 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: then you mount the farm animal and you you fish. 150 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: I had no idea. It's true. I have never played Minecraft. 151 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: It's not a good game. Like I just have to say, 152 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: I can imagine that being terrifying a cow doesn't seem 153 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: like an animal that would have a tongue like that. 154 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: I guess in your mind, maybe especially as a kid. 155 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm not like a you know, a cow professor. It's 156 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: also real purple and spitty. I mean, it's it's a 157 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: it's a pretty intense thing. It looks like some sort 158 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: of like mutant slug from like a sci fi movie. 159 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: But but we do know that cattle are intelligent. That's 160 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: one thing is coming up in all three of our stories. 161 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: We do know that these animals have the ability to 162 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: have their own personalities, right to remember other members of 163 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: their of their pure group or if you want to 164 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: see their family structure, their their tribe. And we know 165 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: that there are a heck of a lot of them. 166 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Do you know how many? Yeah, thanks for asking. As 167 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: of January first, two thousand fifteen, according to the National 168 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: Cattleman's Beef Association, they're eighty nine point eight million cows 169 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: in the US. And that's actually up from January a 170 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: whole percent, a whole one percent. Uh. This this translates 171 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: to a forty four billion dollar industry. This also means 172 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: that you know, these cows are broken up. Some are 173 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: milk cows, most are beef cows. Right, And you can 174 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: clearly listeners tell because after all, it is what's for dinner. 175 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: It is his you mean the beef, right, and not milk, 176 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: the beef milk. It's what's for dinner, that's all. We 177 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: have bread milk stick so gross. So with this huge industry, 178 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: with this livestock we are, I don't want to enter 179 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: into too much of the argument over whether or not 180 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: it's right to eat animals. That's maybe a different show. 181 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: But we're just establishing that these things are everywhere. You, 182 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: if you live in the US, have probably at some 183 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: time at the very least gone by a cow field 184 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: like cow pastor right. Uh. And the funny thing is 185 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: that every so often in these ranches, in these pastors, 186 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: when they call the cows home, all of them show up. 187 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: And that is what today's episode is about. For anyone 188 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: who just didn't read the title of the episode, it's 189 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: about the cattle to get maybe stranded or just one 190 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: straight a little too far away from the herd. And 191 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: then it's like Homeward Bound the movie, but with like 192 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: a cow I would love that, who would have trying 193 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: to find its way home? Who would his sidekicks? It 194 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: would be a precocious pig and a perhaps a fox um, 195 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: all with celebrity voices. The only difference, okay, in the 196 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Homeward Bound version of that, And then the one that 197 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: we're going to describe today is that it ends in advisceration, exanguination, 198 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: and uh, the death of the main character. Yes, so 199 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: what is cattle mutilation? Well, the typical definition of cattle 200 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: mutilation is the killing um and figurement, disembowelment, evisceration, shall 201 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: we say, of cattle under anomalous or you know, unusual 202 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: kind of suspect circumstances, what, well, they often appeared to 203 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: be partially skinned, or they have incisions that appear to 204 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: have been done with surgical precision, which is pretty unusual, 205 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: and often these animals are reported to have been exanguinated 206 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: or drained entirely of blood. Um, they're soft parts, the eyes, 207 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: their organs, all the good guscy stuff. Yeah, the hind 208 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: cords are missing. Yeah, they're sexual organs as well. Yeah, 209 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: it's a pretty gruesome thing to have happened to anything 210 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: any living being. Um, it's it's crazy too. It's not 211 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: just we've been talking about cows this whole time. It's 212 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: not just that cattle. Other livestock have experienced this kind 213 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: of thing. You'll you'll see it in I know, sheep 214 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: and goats have been it's been reported in those two, 215 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: in particular, deler horses as well. Yeah, we we've also 216 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: there's one case that we might get to today in 217 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: which is an excellent example of this. But but here's 218 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: the deal. You've probably heard of cattle mutilations, right, listeners, 219 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the X files is back on, people are 220 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: people are more likely now to check it out than 221 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: they were previously. And we've often heard but what what 222 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: are the initial reports We've always heard? Right, We've always 223 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: heard like, oh it's uh aliens. No, no, no, my friend, 224 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: that's a coyote. No, no, no, no, no, no, it 225 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: was somebody else. Yeah, that was a human. Yeah. I mean, 226 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: I think something that distinguishes these cases from just a 227 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: typical um animal mauling or an animal attack is the 228 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: nature of some of the wounds. I mean, I think, 229 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, a typical cattle rancher farmer is experienced with 230 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: wild animals and probably be aware of what it would 231 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: look like if, say, a coyote had attacked one of 232 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: their animals, right, Yeah, And that that's a good point 233 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: because ranchers see a lot of stuff and uh vets 234 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: who work on on animals with animals also see a 235 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And that's one of the big arguments 236 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: will be getting to. So the various biologists and experts 237 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: and law enforcement officers and ranchers investigating this over time 238 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: have a number of like speculative causes, right and um, 239 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: they're pretty much exactly what you're naming natural predation, scavenging, 240 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: human intervention like loan killers a k A. Board teenagers, 241 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: you're right, a k A. Future Dahmers, you know, or 242 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: what was that guy, ed geen Gang? Yeah, the real 243 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: life inspiration for the Texas chainsaw massacre, very disturbing stuff. 244 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Would love to do a show about that. And then 245 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: there are the ideas that maybe humans but not just 246 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: some loan, unhap happy kid, uh who you know what. 247 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: On a side note, you would have to be a 248 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: very very very strong, lone, unhappy kid to take that. 249 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: To do your homework, man, I mean, you can't just 250 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: go in half cocked and just you know, knock out 251 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: a cow and then go to town on its soft parts. 252 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean you really have to come with a taser 253 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: or some kind of like a mall. One of those 254 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: air guns probably be the best move, Like one of 255 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: those air guns they that the guy used in um 256 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: No Country for old men that shot the bolt. Yeah. Well, 257 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: as as we're going to find a little later that 258 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: the the idea of any medicinal smell around one of 259 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: these animals that's experienced this, or some kind of the 260 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: surgical cuts perhaps even I don't know, man, there might 261 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: be people working together on this. It might not be 262 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: a lone person, right. What if it's a cult. What 263 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: if it is some sort of government agency or affiliated 264 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: thing operating in secret exciting stuff And we'll get to it. 265 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: At this time, we have to say, though, that the 266 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: mainstream news and most of the stuff you're going to 267 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: read or encounter when you look this up is going 268 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: to argue that this is the result of what do 269 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: we in the video? We had a good line um 270 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Mankind's original and most brutal enemy nature, right, Yeah, the 271 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: the first antagonist for this species. But let's look at 272 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: the timeline because although we might associate in here in 273 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: the US cattle mutilation with something from the seventies or whatever, 274 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: the story of mutilating animals dates back, way, way, way, 275 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: way further. Can you hear me going back? Yeah? You 276 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: went so far back there. And the reason it goes 277 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: back so far is because it isn't necessarily the slaughtering 278 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: of an animal like this wasn't necessarily historically always for food, right, 279 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: there was another reason sometimes, uh, you would slaughter an 280 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: animal in a ritualistic manner to appease perhaps a god 281 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: or God's Did you guys ever watch the HBO series 282 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Rome I have not. It's actually pretty good. Um. There's 283 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: a scene though, where one of the main female characters, 284 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: who is very wealthy head of a family, um, is 285 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: trying to curry favor from the gods. I believe to 286 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: have her son, the life of her son spared um 287 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: in battle, and she goes into this temple where a 288 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: priest conducts this ritual wherein a bull is walked out 289 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: onto a metal grate and um basically slaughtered and gutted, 290 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: and the blood pours down through the grates onto the 291 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: character and she is drenched in it and then walks 292 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: up the priest and says, your son will be spad. 293 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: That's hot. Well, but blood, fresh blood is pretty hot. 294 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: I guess yes, in several levels. So we're we're both agreeing. 295 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: And it's fascinating that you say that, because this this 296 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: is exactly what we're talking about when we're talking about 297 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: sacrifice right um to gain fertility, right for the gods 298 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: to look favorably upon your next endeavor in war, or 299 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: you want to save your son right. And we know 300 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: that this exists across multiple religions, multiple places. As Matt 301 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: said earlier, we have some specific examples. One is practice 302 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: that was called October horse or equas October in ancient 303 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: Roman religions. What what would happen is there would be 304 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: these three uh days of like racing chariot racing, and 305 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: during one of these races, which always occurred on the 306 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: IDEs of October. October. Uh, the winners of the two 307 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: horse chariot race would sacrifice their right hand horse and 308 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: this was propitiation to believe the god Mars. Wow, it's strange, 309 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: but that's not the only thing. And this is why, No, 310 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: your example of the show room is so good because 311 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: it's based on some real life stuff that happened in Rome. Right. 312 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: Our next example is that in the age of the 313 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: Roman Empire, worshipers also sacrificed bulls, stop balls, stubb bulls. 314 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: And they did this so often that we even have 315 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: a word for it, and it is our word of 316 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: the day, or I guess word of the week since 317 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: it is a weekly podcast, tarro bolium more like whoa yeah, yeah, 318 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: because we every time I say you gotta go crazy. 319 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: But that was the bull going crazy. And that's strange 320 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: to me that that's a lot of street cred when 321 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: something happened so often that there is a specific word 322 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: for it. Well, maybe listeners throughout this podcast, Uh, you know, 323 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: you can play along at home and when we say 324 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: tarot bowling, Uh cool, that was great. And also this 325 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: sacrificial right, it kind of carried on in several other religions. 326 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: In Judaism you had the corbon, which was a whole 327 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: set of sacrificial offerings. Uh. That are they're they're also 328 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: in I believe in Christianity and Islam. There are different 329 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: there are different offerings. Some of them are sacrificial in nature, 330 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: some of them are symbolically sacrificial in nature. Um. You know, 331 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: if you go back to the Old Testament, specifically in Christianity, 332 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 1: you can find some sacrifice and going on. And there 333 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: was a lot of specifics to like. I mean, you 334 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: would sacrifice a lamb for a certain type of favor, 335 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: and you know, a goat perhaps for another. It's interesting 336 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: the language of sacrifice. I like the title of that. 337 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: That that could be the title of something, the Language 338 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: of Sacrifice, not as a book, but what an album 339 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: that would be. Uh. And I wonder if in case 340 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: you're listening to the show Radiohead, You're welcome. Uh. So 341 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: the this is a great point that you're making old 342 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: because anytime this had a religious angle to it, it 343 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: wasn't just that I'm killing the right animal, well, it 344 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: was super super important. It was also what day, what 345 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: time am I killing this animal? How right, am I 346 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: saying the right words. Are we wearing the correct vestments 347 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: highly ritualized, highly ritualized um? And this is important. The 348 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: reason we're talking about this today is because as we 349 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: look at modern cattle mutilation, this is one way in 350 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: which we could differentiate between the random acts of a 351 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: predator and the purposeful, stylized even um machinations of a 352 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: human being or a group or a group of human 353 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: beings or a group of extraterrestrial spoiler alert. So early 354 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: reports just go through this this part pretty quickly. Earlier reports. H. 355 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: If you like our show, you may also be a 356 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: fan of a magazine called The fourteen Times forty Times, 357 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: which is magazine reporting on fringe theories and the paranormal 358 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 1: is named after a guy named Charles Fort, who was 359 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: an early paranormal researcher, and he actually conducted a little 360 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: bit of cursory research into mutilations of livestock in the US, 361 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: which is how we know that these kind of reports 362 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: date back as far back as the late nineteenth century. 363 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: And that's fascinating to to have it go back that far. 364 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: I didn't know much about Charles Fort and the forty Times. Yeah, unfortunately, 365 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: I have seen it, unfortunately, yes, but I've I've seen 366 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: it all over the place, and it mentioned specifically the 367 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: forum the fourteen times where people will discuss the topics 368 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: that we are generally looking up. But I had no 369 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: real understanding of the back story, but we did in 370 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: in making this video for this week, I found some 371 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: old books, and one in particular that that is referenced 372 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: here is called low l O exclamation mark, Yes precisely, 373 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: and it has several several different topics that it goes through. 374 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: And one of the coolest things the chapters are full 375 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: on sentences, which is kind of neat. I appreciated that 376 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: a lot. And we we know that despite these reports, 377 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: this was not an issue of national concern for a while, 378 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: that this would be instead a lurid story that's in 379 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: a on the below the fold in your newspaper. That 380 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: is until in nineteen sixty seven. So in nineteen sixty 381 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: seven this phenomenon reached the mainstream when um a lady 382 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: by the name of Agnes King and her son Harry 383 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: found that their mayor lady had been gruesomely murdered, mutilated, 384 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: partially skinned, h de fleshed, shall we say, around the 385 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: neck and head, and lady had also been exanguinated drained 386 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: of all of her blood, the classic version of a 387 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: cattle mutilation. N Yeah, it's too bad, it uh, And 388 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: it occurred just for everyone's curious. It occurred in September 389 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: of sixty seven. So this is not doesn't have a 390 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: one on one connection with the old practice of the 391 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: october horse. But that's a question that you probably had 392 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: as well. This garnered this attention. It was reported in 393 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: the Pueblo Chieftain. It was in Colorado, and after this reported, 394 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: this is where Agnes's son, Harry, is the one who 395 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: reported that strong medicinal odor, which will come into play later. 396 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: Concerns over these so called mysterious mutilations of livestock went 397 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: on as the years grew, and eventually it reached the 398 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: ears of representatives of the government. So in ninety five, 399 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: a guy named Floyd K. Haskell, Colorado Senator, reaches out 400 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: to the FBI for help. He said, there have been 401 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 1: reports of mutilations in nine states, and as far as 402 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: he could tell, there were a hundred and thirty cases 403 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: of livestock mutilation in Colorado. Now this is something our 404 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: timeline gets a little fuzzy here because I'm not sure 405 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: how aware UH Senator has Skeool was at the time 406 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: that the A t F, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco 407 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and Firearms, had conducted a study to see if there 408 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: was any um truth of rasty to cult involvement. And 409 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: keep in mind, this is during the time when there 410 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: was a burgeoning panic over possible Satanic clos in the US, right, 411 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: the Satanic panic, the Satanic panic precisely no, and this 412 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: this A t F thing found that there there really 413 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: wasn't enough evidence to draw some kind of link like that. 414 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: They just needed to know and state level and instigations differed, 415 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: but also had also had a lot of a lot 416 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: of disturbing numbers. Right, So for instance, we get a 417 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: lot of information from the New Mexico State Police's investigation, 418 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: wherein they found that there might be as many as 419 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: eight thousands and estimated eight thousand cattle mutilations in Colorado. 420 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 1: And they know for sure because again this New Mexico 421 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: State Police. But in nineteen seventy nine, the FBI compiles 422 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff and based on Haskell's recommendation, 423 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: launches a project called Operation Animal Mutilation, and they filed 424 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: a report that was a full on two D and 425 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: nineties seven pages long, and there are little excerpts of 426 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: it that you can find online through the Freedom of 427 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: Information Act. Fascinating stuff. It's just a lot of it 428 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: are just reports from uh answer or someone who owns cattle. 429 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: Why can't you get the whole thing? I think is 430 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: it redacted? I have not seen the entire report in itself, 431 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: but I have seen excerpts. You can view a lot 432 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: of it online at the FBI's vault website, which is 433 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: super useful but also super irritating because they've just taken 434 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: scans that in many cases are not very well done 435 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: and just take your skin and posted. Yeah, and you 436 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: can't search some by keyword. But I you know they're 437 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: in a pickle of some sort because if they were 438 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: just to type out or transcribe all of that ass 439 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: searchable format, then I don't know about you, guys. My 440 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: first question would be, what did you leave out there 441 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: basically meeting the minimum compliance level of compliance? Yeah, it's 442 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: tax dollars. You'd have to pay some in turn or 443 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: some person like us to go through and actually write 444 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: out the entire document. So where does this leave us. 445 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: The guy who is in charge of this as fellow 446 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: Kenneth Rommel, and he concluded, let me make sure I 447 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: phrase this correctly, gentleman. He concluded that the vast majority, 448 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: pretty much all of these mutilations came from natural sources, 449 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: predators and then later scavengers. There it's sort of the 450 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: short round to the indie in terms of predators. Yeah, 451 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: and I guess we're gonna get into that a little later. 452 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: Just that concept of when a what happens to a 453 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: body when a predator attacks it. We're going to tackle 454 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: that later, right, Yes, Okay, well we'll hit we'll hit 455 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: on that in a minute. Okay, So one other thing 456 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: you just want to mention this is a little bit gruesome, 457 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: and I was on the fence about including it in. 458 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: There was a mutilation case that was a little bit different. 459 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: This stuff continues today. There was a mutilation case is 460 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: very similar to cal mutilation. However it involved a human being. 461 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: This is a disturbed in case. We're going to let 462 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: you know where you can learn more, but we're not 463 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 1: going to spend too much time on it. What they 464 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: found is that there were various signs of this uh 465 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: of this body discovered that had that that were indicative 466 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: of the same kind of mutilation conducted on cattle. So 467 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: cut at the base of the ear, signs of brain removal, uh, 468 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: both eyes plucked out, UH, cuts under the skin, removal 469 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: of uh sexual organs uh incisions into the body to 470 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: take various extremities or organs samples and Matt, you have 471 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: you have a place to point people. Yeah, there's a 472 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: gentleman that you may already know named Richard D. Hall 473 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: who has covered the specific case before pretty extensively, made 474 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: a documentary length filled, like a full length documentary about 475 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: this case and some of the surrounding things that I 476 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: guess I'll run on the fringes of it and you 477 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: can find that online. How I would go to the 478 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: YouTube channel rich rich r a c H Planet UK. 479 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: That's where I found a couple of clips and the 480 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: full length documentary is available. He's got a website you 481 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: can go to and check that out. Also, I can't 482 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: believe I forgot to mention this body was found on 483 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: a small island in the Guara Pianga Reservoir, which is 484 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: in the southern southern part of Sal Paulo, Brazil. So 485 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: makes you wonder and it leads us to it leads 486 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: us to the big thing, the question of the week, right, 487 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: the causes. So I'll start. I'll start with the easy 488 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: one nature predators, right, coyote primarily, wolves, bears, et cetera. 489 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Yet here's the thing. According to the Department of Agriculture, 490 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: at least here in the US, only about point two 491 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: three percent of cattle loss can be attributed to predation. 492 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: That means that zero point to three yea, less than 493 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: one quarter of one. And we're saying is that this 494 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: is kind of an infrequent, an infrequent thing already. So 495 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: the mundane cause is already infrequent. The inexplicable stuff is 496 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: a smaller part of an even of a very small subset, 497 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: especially when you consider we're looking at ninety million cattle. Yeah, 498 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: and especially most of those cattle are in very controlled 499 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: areas right there. They are grouped together in large numbers 500 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: many times. And there is this the truth to safety 501 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: and numbers. When you have a large animal like a cow. 502 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: And then let's say, though, let's that's that's a great point. 503 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: Let's say a cow does get taken down, wolf bear, mountain, lion, 504 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, Let's just have a predator. For the 505 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: sake of argument, you got one awesol lot. Okay, let's 506 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: say for some reason, a particularly vicious awfol lot manages 507 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: to bring down on the cow and it's just a 508 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: it's a rage kill lost like kills. It eats a 509 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: little bit and then leaves to wreak further awful lot 510 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: related havoc. Then the next step, however, are the scavengers, 511 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, the buzzards, the rats, the insects, the coyote. 512 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: You show up late to the party, And it's interesting 513 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: how these these different scavengers will not just work alone, right, 514 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: and you're not just gonna have buzzards attacking something. You 515 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: may they might finish the whole job, but there's probably 516 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: gonna be some meat left. They get the rats, who yeah, exactly. 517 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: And then well it's interesting too because some of the 518 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 1: ranchers that have been interviewed about cattle mutilation, some of 519 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: them maintained that the weirdest thing is that scavengers won't 520 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: touch the bodies, which is an interesting proposition and not 521 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: everybody says that, but it leads us to some of 522 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: the weirder alleged causes. And the last thing, I just 523 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: have to bring up here are the bacteria, the microorganisms 524 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: that go to town after an animal has died like that, 525 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: especially when you've got, you know, the bowels of an 526 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: animal that kind of begin eating itself from the inside out. 527 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: It occurs, like sadly, very quickly after the point of death, 528 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: the body begins to deteriorate interiorly. Um. And that's one 529 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: of the reasons that you see, you know, when people 530 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: talk about how the sex organs and the butt was, 531 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: it was all just completely gone and eaten out in 532 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: the face and the mouth where all the bacteria grows. 533 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: It's just an interesting thing to point out it does 534 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: occur naturally. I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's a 535 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: valuable point to make. The let's go straight to the 536 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: weird stuff, all right. Aliens, extraterrestrials et flying across the 537 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: passable chasm of time and space to this tiny little 538 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: mode of dust that's just flying around two uh. I guess, 539 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: for the sake of science, eviscerates some animals. I mean, yeah, 540 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: you gotta find out what's going on down here. It's 541 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: it isn't It would be incredible to find a life 542 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: on a planet if you're just flying around the cosmos 543 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: looking for life, and all of a sudden, oh my gosh, 544 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: there is one that's a you know what, that's a 545 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: really good point because it makes me think that of 546 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: what we as humans would do. We're traveling to another 547 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: planet and we encounter another life form, probably not on purpose, 548 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: but definitely it's in the cards that we would just 549 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: killed it out of it. Remember that episode of the 550 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: Twilight Zone where there are these like benevolent alien overlords 551 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: that come to Earth and they're taking groups of humans 552 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: up to their home planet little by little, and there's 553 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: the one guy who's like against it, and he thinks, 554 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 1: you know, something fishy is going on. And it turned 555 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: is out that they're actually sending humans to their home 556 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: planet so that they can harvest them or like you know, 557 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: what's the word, uh, you know, like cattle. Basically like 558 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: they used them as a fat source. That blew my 559 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: mind because there's a good twist. No, look, we had 560 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: a we had a letter before where somebody, um, somebody 561 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: freaked out a little bit because they thought we were 562 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: giving them spoilers for a show. So before I say 563 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: anything else, if you somehow think that it would be 564 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: wrong to discuss an episode of The Twilight Zone from 565 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: back before television was in color. Then please pause for 566 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: the next two minutes while we talked about something that 567 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: I assure you everyone else already already spoil it. Well, 568 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: the great thing is that that particular episode has been 569 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: kind of echoed throughout the popular kidding like Twilight Zone 570 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: invented like almost every like Shamani in Twists. You know, 571 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: there's so many, there's so many. The reason I bring 572 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: that up, though, is if there were aliens involved or 573 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: some sort of extraterrestrial and you know, it's easy to 574 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: be flippant and say, oh, well, if there are these 575 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: highly evolved, technologically advanced extraterrestrials, why would they bother flying, 576 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: you know, millions of miles to Earth just to you know, 577 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: cut up some cows. You know what, if they're fascinated 578 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: by the fact that we have these animals that we 579 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: use for no other reason than to keep them in 580 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: a pen, fatten them up, and use them to you know, 581 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: subsist on, maybe they're kind of trying to figure out 582 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: how to do that for themselves. You know, maybe there's 583 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: something they lack in their society that they require, you know, 584 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: some version of what we have as a species. You know, yeah, 585 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: that's a good angle. We have we need cattle, and 586 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: it makes me it makes me think also as well, 587 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: what of the old problems often encountered in science fiction speculation, right, speculation? 588 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: Alien life is technology and technological evolution. So what if 589 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: there are what if there is some sort of life 590 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: for there that is just streets ahead of us, galaxies 591 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: ahead of us maybe in terms of space travel, but 592 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: in other ways, doesn't have technology that we would consider 593 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: rather elementary. I mean, not fire. Maybe they don't have fire. 594 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty basic one. And and and maybe 595 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: maybe they're cutting them open and taking these parts back 596 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: so that they can test them and see if it's 597 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: something that they could even survive on. It's just a thought. 598 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm just you know here, that's I mean, that's a 599 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: good point. What do you think about cryptids? Though? The 600 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: idea that some as of yet unidentified animal could be 601 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: responsible for this certainly would account for why we don't 602 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: recognize the means of um of the kill, of the meat, 603 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: the way that the animal is killed, that it's it's 604 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 1: drained of blood, and that is not something we typically 605 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: see in animals. That we are scavengers or predators that 606 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: were aware of Yeah, you know what I mean. One 607 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: ranchers said that place. One ranchers said that, uh, the cow, 608 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: the cow that he had discovered killed, had about eleven 609 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: pounds of blood. How would a predator eat eleven pounds 610 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: of blood by like, by itself or get rid of 611 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: all of it? You know? Well, maybe it was a 612 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: goat sucker. Maybe that's maybe that's what it specializes in. 613 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I mean, if if it's some 614 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: as yet unidentified creature, it would likely have equipment, shall 615 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: we say that we are not familiar with, you know, 616 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: and something that would that would take to drain a 617 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: large animal of all of its blood would certainly be 618 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: something outside of a coyote or a fox or you know, 619 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: a typical straw. Yeah, that sounds like some real coy 620 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: do So boy, okay, guys, uh, here we go. We're 621 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: doing the turn now. As much as I love speculating 622 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: about this stuff and about the possibility of aliens and 623 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: why they would want to come down and study cows 624 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: because perhaps they are a higher advanced bovine version. Maybe 625 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: that's what the aliens are, I have to say, and 626 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: we have to move on to the idea that there's 627 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: a human element somehow involved here, because I think it's 628 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: a little more plausible humans know how to drink milkshakes. 629 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: I've been in this room the entire time. Hello, Hello, 630 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: I just want to establish that. So that's I mean, 631 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: that is a great point though, because we know it's 632 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: completely not only is it plausible, but it has happened before. 633 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: We have an industry built on the practice of humans 634 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: killing and mutilating animals. These are this is uh, the 635 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: cattle mutulation that occurs now is different because it is 636 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: not part of that system, and it also doesn't seem 637 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: to be I mean, it's certainly not beneficial to the 638 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: cattle or the ranchers, possibly the animals doing it. But 639 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: we the point is, we do know that humans have 640 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: the ability to kill, to kill livestock, and to do 641 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: so in a variety of ways. We talked about the 642 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: virgin and serial killers, and it led me to a 643 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask you, guys, do you think 644 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: it would be possible to explain some of these things 645 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: by checking for areas known for cattle mutilation and seeing 646 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: if they correlate to the stomping grounds of serial killers 647 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: or the hometowns of people who would later become killers. 648 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: But it's such a needle in a haystack because there's 649 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 1: so few apprehended serial killers. Yeah, we have no idea 650 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: where they're lurking. Well, it's also one of those things where, um, 651 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: a burgeoning serial killer, shall we say, um, who knows 652 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: how long they might just mutilate animals before they actually 653 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: move on to actually killing you know, humans. They could 654 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: do it for years just just to practice. Just maybe 655 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: they're trying to, um, not take it to the next level, 656 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: and so they're you know, satisfying that urge just by 657 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: killing animals in this way dark passenger kind, that's exactly, 658 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,919 Speaker 1: especially the ones with the surgical incisions and that whole 659 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: medicinal smell thing wears me out so much. It makes 660 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: me think there's someone practicing not necessarily even killing, like 661 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: serial killing, but wanting to practice some kind of medical 662 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, I was gonna say, I was gonna 663 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: say maneuver. Maneuver is quite the right word. But just procedure, Well, yeah, 664 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: I guess it would be a procedure, practicing a procedure 665 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 1: on account Well, he this is. This is interesting because 666 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: from the skeptical side of it, what I've seen is 667 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: that numerous people say the effects of scavengers or bloating 668 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: and dehydration can cause the skin to split in a 669 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: way that looks as if it were an extremely clean cut. However, 670 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: the ranchers who you know own these these cattle will 671 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: say that they've seen a lot of stuff and that 672 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: they know the difference between somebody with a hunting knife 673 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: or an animal attack or a scalpel. And you can 674 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: see people trying to reproduce the effects of this and 675 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 1: not doing the best job, which is why we hear 676 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: the old stories about lasers, which has not been proven. 677 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: But it's all It's another one of those weird things 678 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: where you hear about increased signs of heat, like there 679 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,919 Speaker 1: was a heat sourcer in the cattle, or that there 680 00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: was a even readings of radiation slightly higher radiation are 681 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: caught or eyes as it cuts. Yeah, so it burned 682 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: a little. Yeah, that's a really good point. Um. I 683 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't seen any confirmation of that, but 684 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: we do need to put that idea in this show. 685 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: What I have seen a little bit more credible confirmation 686 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: or allegation rather is in the state level enforcement reports. 687 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: They do talk a little bit about cults. Yeah, they do. 688 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: They talk about hooded figures. I think one one person 689 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: in particular discussed how they or they made an official 690 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: report of how they were stopped in the road. There's 691 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: a roadblock with fifteen or so hooded people in black 692 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: hoods in particular October, and they had to turn around 693 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: and go in. And it just so happened that this 694 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: was an area where cattle mutilations have been reported at 695 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: a higher than regular rate. And in September the same year, 696 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: another resident of Idaho, a Blaine County Forestry Service employee, 697 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 1: also reported seeing a group of figures in black hooded robes. 698 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: The next day they found several mutilated cattle. Dude, this one, 699 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: I love this one. Well. What's interesting is that these 700 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: are reports were made to law enforcement. So this is 701 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: not just some Internet story that people are telling each other. 702 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: It's not a spooky story to tell them the dart. 703 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: We do have to keep in mind though, that there 704 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: was widespread I don't want to say hysteria, it's satanic. 705 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: Panic is the perfect phrase, uh, to to use your 706 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 1: earlier phrase no, no, but it doesn't necessarily mean the recults, 707 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: but it it is very strange. It's anomalous. Yeah, I 708 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: don't know the thought of a group of people getting 709 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: together who have decided that they want to I don't know, 710 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 1: practice of religion and older religion, perhaps in the middle 711 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: of Idaho in the country singing. I mean that that 712 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: sounds fun to me. I know that sounds awful, probably 713 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: even me saying that too many of you, But really 714 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: it sounds fun. Yeah. I think that's okay. Not necessarily 715 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: the animal sacrifice angle or that segment of it, but 716 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: the idea of having an older religion kind of revived. 717 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: It feels very twilight zony to me, and I love it. 718 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: Very close to Bohemian grove. Yes, I want to go 719 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 1: so bad. Secremation of Care is that the name they're 720 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: They're weird owl effigy burning thing it is. Thank you 721 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: Alex Jones for getting video of that. Yeah, that was 722 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: that was a good movement. Is where it was very 723 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: strange to see that. It makes me think of, um, 724 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, I did this documentary about the Georgia Guide 725 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: Stones is a topic that we have yet to really unravel. 726 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: I think we can't we wait to we need to 727 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: have to take that field trip. Yeah, well no we should, um. 728 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 1: But anyone who doesn't know. The Guide Stones are sort 729 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: of a Stonehenge esque array of granite slabs that are 730 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: inscribed with these sort of commandments for kind of like 731 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: a new world order, like a post apocalyptic rallying point, 732 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: shall we say, in this meadow um in Elberton, Georgia, 733 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: which is not terribly far from where we are in Atlanta. 734 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: But um. One of the theories about these stones, since 735 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: the person who financed and had them erected, uh maintained 736 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: his anonymity throughout the whole process. Mr. Christian, Mr rc Christian. 737 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,879 Speaker 1: But there were stories about how you know, and as 738 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,280 Speaker 1: tends to happen when their secrecy involved, people's imaginations run wild, 739 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: and there were a lot of accounts of animal sacrifice. 740 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: Actually interviewed a pastor at a nearby church for the documentary, 741 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: and he swears up and down that there he rode 742 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: by the site and saw people in hooded you know, 743 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: hooded figures, um, laying down rose pedals and lighting candles 744 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: and doing these like sultsticey type rituals. And he said that, um, 745 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 1: when he started speaking out about it in his community. 746 00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: At his church, people would place slaughtered goat carcasses at 747 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: his u you know, doorstep at his home and at 748 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: the church, etcetera. Um. But point being, I think he 749 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: was a little bit shall we say, exaggerative in his accounts, 750 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: and I think it's probably very likely that he did 751 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: see some hooded figures, but they were probably like you say, 752 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: some folks kind of practicing sort of like a neo 753 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: pagan kind of religious uh you know, um ritual I 754 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,479 Speaker 1: could say. And you know, I mean it happens even 755 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 1: here in you know, in in Georgia and in rural areas. 756 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: They're very attractive to folks that are wanting to do 757 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: that because they want to go out and be close 758 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: to nature and where there aren't many people around. And 759 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: so I mean I could imagine people did see hooded 760 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: figures associated with some of these things. And you know, 761 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's always more insidious versions of these kind 762 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: of rituals, and perhaps there was some animal sacrifice involved, 763 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: as we talked about with Rome, you know, like why 764 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: is it any less likely that a newer version of 765 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: a pagan religion like what they practiced in Rome wouldn't 766 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: do the same thing. Are we profiling cults, you guys? 767 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: Kind of? I guess we are. I think the term 768 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: cults is sort of like a odd catch all too, 769 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: because of the majority of right. Absolutely, Because again, if 770 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about is if you're a Pagan, are you 771 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: in a cult anymore than if you're a Christian? Yeah, 772 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: one person's cult is another person's true religion, right, And 773 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: I think the you know, we've talked a little bit 774 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: about this, just to reiterate with a word like cult, 775 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: one of the things that happens it is a word 776 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: that springs up in opposition to something else. So cults 777 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: are usually depicted as being in opposition to a larger 778 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: religious doctrine, somehow underground. So is it possible Is it 779 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 1: possible that there is a group of people or several 780 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: groups of people ritualistically murdering animals as part of a 781 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: religious practice. If that's true, If that's the case, and 782 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: if they own the cattle, then legally is a very 783 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: interesting situation because is it a right to practice religion? 784 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: Is it animal cruelty? Does you know what I mean? Yeah? 785 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: Where does it? Where does it fall amongst all of 786 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,439 Speaker 1: these different categories and what's with the secrecy? I want 787 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: to know. But there there's another group that some people 788 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: might also call a cult that have been alleged to 789 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: participate in this, and that is the Church of Uncle 790 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 1: Sam and for a fascinating reason. Okay, so it's been 791 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: alleged that perhaps the United States government some facet of 792 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: it is sacrifice. Not they're not sacrificing. They're killing these 793 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: animals in order to conduct experiments to track disease, in 794 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: particular bovine sponge of form and cephalopathy or mad cow disease, 795 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: which took me, which which took me forever to pronounce 796 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: correctly in the in our video. It was great though 797 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: making a face something. I just why would the government 798 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: creep in in the night and do this to some 799 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 1: poor rancher without compensating him for the loss of his 800 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: his livestock. I mean, we have things like the c 801 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: d C. You know, we have the U s d A. 802 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: They have facilities where they can test animals and they 803 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: can take samples and they send out, you know, representatives 804 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: that will take samples or if they you know, need 805 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: to test a specific cow in a specific area from 806 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: a specific herd. I can't imagine they wouldn't clear it 807 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: with the owner. And you know, these are good questions, 808 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,399 Speaker 1: but then also to add some to ask some more 809 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,919 Speaker 1: questions to uh the fire we're building for our own 810 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: weird podcast. God here, let's also consider um, let's if 811 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: this were true, why would they do it in secret? 812 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 1: That's that's the big question to me. Would it be 813 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: um because there would be a public panic if they said, Hey, 814 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: we're like one missed cow mutilation away from an outbreak 815 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,760 Speaker 1: of this, this terrible disease. I think we all remember 816 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: the mad cow disease. There were freakouts that happened quite 817 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,879 Speaker 1: frequently in the nineties. Do you guys remember that? Yeah? 818 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: And I guess maybe you know to your point, it 819 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: would be more effective to pull out the bits on 820 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 1: site rather than to load up the whole cow right right, Again, 821 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: they have trailers for these kind of things. Do they 822 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 1: have unidentified black helicopters which several police officers in New 823 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: Mexico and Utah have also reported seen or unidentified craft. 824 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing that I can't get past. 825 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: If it is the government, if it if it is 826 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: Big Brother conducting this kind of research, then what about 827 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: the mutilations that occur in other countries, in other parts 828 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: of the world. What, um, you know, what is the 829 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: incentive for Uncle Sam in the various other governmental authorities 830 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,800 Speaker 1: to conduct these experiments. I mean, all the questions that 831 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: you ask are still the ones that are stuck in 832 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,400 Speaker 1: my head. I'm I'm convinced based on what, based on 833 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: what a lot of these ranchers have said, I'm convinced 834 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:16,280 Speaker 1: that there is something anomalous. Whether that is a perfect 835 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,759 Speaker 1: storm of predation, scavenging and circuit environment, or whether that 836 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: is some you know, group of really screwed up college kids. 837 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,760 Speaker 1: What if it's a combination of all of the things 838 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: we've touched on except from except aliens aliens? Maybe you 839 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,319 Speaker 1: can't say all the things us all right, all the 840 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: things and aliens. But what if it's like happening here 841 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: and there, you know, because if it's happening globally, then 842 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: it's probably not just one cause what if the aliens, 843 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: the serial killers and the government are all working together, 844 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,839 Speaker 1: them cows and they're the cult worships the same thing, 845 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: and then it's all I like, I like picturing it 846 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,240 Speaker 1: instead like an awkward meeting, uh where people are expecting 847 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,320 Speaker 1: to run into each other. So you know a picture 848 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 1: like a far side cartoon cow since in the field 849 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: to realize it's it's alone, and then like a mountain 850 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: nine comes out, and then like three people in black 851 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 1: robes come out in an alien lands, and then Uncle 852 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,399 Speaker 1: Sam like in the red, white and blue outfit. Dude, 853 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: you gotta draw that. I know now, I know. I 854 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: don't want to tell on you, but you're quite the cartoons. 855 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 1: I think you should draw the Eric Larson or has 856 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: some fantastic images with aliens and cows. But can you 857 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 1: imagine they all ran into to each other where you 858 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: gave the same cow? How do you decide that? So good? 859 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,799 Speaker 1: Everybody's just playing rock paper scissors in the pastor oh man, 860 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: since it feels like we're wrapping up, I just in 861 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: the interest of continuing with the iconic nineties cartoon talk, Um, 862 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention a comic series that we've 863 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,879 Speaker 1: mentioned several times, the Lock and Key series by Joe 864 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 1: Hill and illustrated by Gabrielle Rodriguez. There is an issue 865 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: and I believe the fourth trade collection where Um the 866 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: artist who drew and created Calvin and Hobbes series Bill 867 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: Waterson does a kind of alternate reality version of the story, 868 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 1: and it alternates between his art and Rodriguez's art, and 869 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: it's just it works so beautifully. And I can't recommend 870 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 1: that series enough. Ben bought the whole thing, and I've 871 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 1: been kind of borrowing them from him here and there, 872 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,319 Speaker 1: and I'm working my way through it and it's just 873 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: so good. Can't recommend it. And I love that some 874 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: some folks, uh you out there in podcast land have 875 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,560 Speaker 1: commented on our love of comics and graphic novels. Please, 876 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: if you have any suggestions, feel free to send them 877 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: to us. Guys, if you're okay with it, let's end 878 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,720 Speaker 1: on listen. On a local note for us. In January 879 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 1: of this year, mutilation in Jackson County, which is uh 880 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: close to small stomping grounds of Athens, Georgia, they reported 881 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: a series of mutilations two cows right now. The Sheriff's 882 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,839 Speaker 1: office say says that in at least one cow, they 883 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 1: think um scavengers cause the wounds, but they're not sure 884 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,720 Speaker 1: about the other one. So this remains something that people 885 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: still talk about. There's a lot of stuff we didn't 886 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 1: touch on today, but you can see some more in 887 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,160 Speaker 1: our video. You can also hear some more in the 888 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: documentary that Matt recommended. Furthermore, if you want to learn 889 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: more about this, you can check out our podcast on 890 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 1: skin Walker Ranch. Yes, the podcast and the video very 891 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: good stuff. And please don't forget to check out our 892 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 1: videos on cryptids if you want to learn more about 893 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 1: that angle. We've got the cult angle covered for you. 894 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: It's all on our YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash 895 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff. And that's the end of this classic episode. 896 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, 897 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 1: you can get into contact with us in a number 898 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: are of different ways. One of the best is to 899 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,359 Speaker 1: give us a call. Our number is one eight three 900 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,839 Speaker 1: three std w y t K. 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