1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:14,845 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello one, Hello all. Welcome to canaver Gals, 2 00:00:14,965 --> 00:00:17,365 Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk about all the ways people 3 00:00:17,365 --> 00:00:20,765 Speaker 1: have died throughout history to cope with our own mortality. 4 00:00:21,405 --> 00:00:29,925 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Taylor, along with Gabby Hey and Nika Hi. Okay, 5 00:00:29,965 --> 00:00:33,205 Speaker 1: Today we're gonna talk about ghosts and vampires and how 6 00:00:33,325 --> 00:00:39,165 Speaker 1: they may get you. Yeah, they're that's so sexy. They're gone. 7 00:00:39,765 --> 00:00:42,245 Speaker 1: Oh they're gonna get me. Oh don't get me, mister vampire. 8 00:00:42,565 --> 00:00:45,285 Speaker 1: They may get you, they may not, who knows. Some 9 00:00:45,325 --> 00:00:50,165 Speaker 1: trigger warnings for today are some just straight up gore, suicide, disease, 10 00:00:50,405 --> 00:00:56,885 Speaker 1: death penalty, Colorado murder, and ghosts. So get ready for that. 11 00:00:57,325 --> 00:01:15,885 Speaker 1: Cue the musical. Okay, so welcome back. I'm wondering should 12 00:01:15,925 --> 00:01:19,765 Speaker 1: I sing the whole um hosting for today? Probably not? Yeah, 13 00:01:19,925 --> 00:01:25,725 Speaker 1: sing it um? Okay, Gabby, Well, just from last our 14 00:01:25,765 --> 00:01:29,005 Speaker 1: two episodes ago with Governor Morris, for example, our last 15 00:01:29,005 --> 00:01:31,725 Speaker 1: episode I don't know time is. I do want to 16 00:01:31,765 --> 00:01:35,205 Speaker 1: make a Governor Morris musical and I've been thinking about it. 17 00:01:35,165 --> 00:01:37,685 Speaker 1: It's the follow up to Hamilton. Gabby is always wanting 18 00:01:37,725 --> 00:01:39,725 Speaker 1: to do a musical and I support this a lot. 19 00:01:40,005 --> 00:01:44,405 Speaker 1: Thank you, Um, but you know, until then, yea, until then, 20 00:01:44,605 --> 00:01:46,805 Speaker 1: until then, Gabby, do you want to tell us your 21 00:01:47,205 --> 00:01:52,845 Speaker 1: your story? Yeah, it's a story of some vampireres. Okay, 22 00:01:53,045 --> 00:02:00,045 Speaker 1: here we go. So, wow, here's the thing. I'm mad. No, 23 00:02:00,165 --> 00:02:02,605 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, have you ever considered that one of 24 00:02:02,645 --> 00:02:06,005 Speaker 1: your dead family members might be draining your life and 25 00:02:06,165 --> 00:02:08,285 Speaker 1: that's why you're turning into a pale white sheet of 26 00:02:08,285 --> 00:02:10,805 Speaker 1: a person and basically look like you're wasting away. Have 27 00:02:10,925 --> 00:02:17,925 Speaker 1: you ever thought that? Oh? No, no, but I feel 28 00:02:17,965 --> 00:02:23,085 Speaker 1: something now. Yeah, it's a possibility. Yeah, your dead relatives 29 00:02:23,165 --> 00:02:25,445 Speaker 1: might be draining your life force. Well, that is what 30 00:02:25,645 --> 00:02:28,285 Speaker 1: some people in New England thought in the eighteenth and 31 00:02:28,365 --> 00:02:32,685 Speaker 1: nineteenth centuries. Okay, and they're specifically like, wow, your dead 32 00:02:32,685 --> 00:02:36,405 Speaker 1: relative could be a vampire coming for your wife, your kids, 33 00:02:36,405 --> 00:02:40,045 Speaker 1: your husband, for you, and also at the time though 34 00:02:40,085 --> 00:02:42,485 Speaker 1: they necessarily use the term vampire, but what they kind 35 00:02:42,485 --> 00:02:45,925 Speaker 1: of meant by that was that they were convinced that 36 00:02:46,845 --> 00:02:49,725 Speaker 1: one of the relatives was not completely dead, Like if 37 00:02:49,725 --> 00:02:52,725 Speaker 1: you would bury your loved one, your relative wasn't completely 38 00:02:52,805 --> 00:02:55,845 Speaker 1: dead and then was maintaining some siblance of life by 39 00:02:55,925 --> 00:03:00,965 Speaker 1: draining the vital force from living relatives. Okay, wait what 40 00:03:01,445 --> 00:03:05,085 Speaker 1: people thought? This was like mostly in the eighteenth and 41 00:03:05,125 --> 00:03:08,885 Speaker 1: nineteen centuries in New England. Okay, great, why why did 42 00:03:08,885 --> 00:03:12,285 Speaker 1: they think those? Well, okay, well that also that thing 43 00:03:12,285 --> 00:03:14,325 Speaker 1: I just said, it's from this dude, Michael Ebel. He's 44 00:03:14,365 --> 00:03:17,965 Speaker 1: a folklorist and he wrote a book about vampires called 45 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:21,045 Speaker 1: Food for the Dead. So he's just like he looks 46 00:03:21,085 --> 00:03:23,445 Speaker 1: for vampires, but not real vampires, but just like this 47 00:03:23,565 --> 00:03:26,565 Speaker 1: idea of what a vampire was. But what was happening 48 00:03:27,125 --> 00:03:29,285 Speaker 1: was that a lot of people were getting consumption and 49 00:03:29,325 --> 00:03:31,365 Speaker 1: so it was like a huge epidemic during that time. 50 00:03:31,405 --> 00:03:35,885 Speaker 1: It was like early eighteen hundreds, like one in four 51 00:03:36,005 --> 00:03:39,885 Speaker 1: people who died in New England was from consumption. And 52 00:03:39,965 --> 00:03:42,405 Speaker 1: because consumption it makes it look like you're wasting away, 53 00:03:42,485 --> 00:03:45,605 Speaker 1: so they're just like, obviously your dead relative is absorbing 54 00:03:45,645 --> 00:03:51,005 Speaker 1: your power. It's consumption. Like an infection, it's tuberculosis. Oh well, 55 00:03:51,085 --> 00:03:54,285 Speaker 1: there we go. Cuberculosis has a lot of names. I 56 00:03:54,285 --> 00:03:56,925 Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, they just didn't really know what was 57 00:03:57,045 --> 00:04:01,605 Speaker 1: up with it until like the mid nineteenth century or something, 58 00:04:01,805 --> 00:04:04,245 Speaker 1: and so it would like would describe a lot of 59 00:04:04,245 --> 00:04:06,805 Speaker 1: different illnesses, but mostly it was tuberculosis and it's a 60 00:04:06,845 --> 00:04:10,565 Speaker 1: bacteria that like affects your lungs and your kidneys and 61 00:04:10,605 --> 00:04:12,885 Speaker 1: your other organs, and it does it makes you look 62 00:04:12,885 --> 00:04:20,165 Speaker 1: like you're just like wasting away. So like skinny, skinny queen. 63 00:04:20,485 --> 00:04:23,845 Speaker 1: Can you imagine you're like in eighteenth century New England 64 00:04:23,885 --> 00:04:26,885 Speaker 1: living your life. You're fifteen, you're about to get married, 65 00:04:27,485 --> 00:04:29,645 Speaker 1: your entire life is ahead of you, and then one 66 00:04:29,685 --> 00:04:33,005 Speaker 1: fateful night you cough into your little cloth and it's blood, 67 00:04:33,125 --> 00:04:36,245 Speaker 1: and you know, I've got the tube. You know, like 68 00:04:36,325 --> 00:04:39,645 Speaker 1: that's just the dust? Tragic? Are you just know that 69 00:04:39,765 --> 00:04:43,285 Speaker 1: your dead sibling is absorbing your life force? You know, 70 00:04:43,565 --> 00:04:46,725 Speaker 1: one or the other? Yeah, it's one or the others anyway, 71 00:04:46,805 --> 00:04:48,685 Speaker 1: So this was a thing a lot people believed since 72 00:04:48,725 --> 00:04:51,845 Speaker 1: they didn't understand like tuberculosis. It was like because often 73 00:04:51,845 --> 00:04:55,645 Speaker 1: with tuberculosis consumption, it would be, you know, one relative 74 00:04:55,685 --> 00:04:57,365 Speaker 1: would get it, and then they didn't really know how 75 00:04:57,365 --> 00:04:59,525 Speaker 1: disease was spread it because then other relatives would get it, 76 00:04:59,565 --> 00:05:01,765 Speaker 1: and they're like, well, obviously the dead relative must be 77 00:05:04,445 --> 00:05:08,885 Speaker 1: mass yeah, mask or like how disease spread or like 78 00:05:09,005 --> 00:05:12,125 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they understood it going from person 79 00:05:12,165 --> 00:05:15,485 Speaker 1: to person, but they're just like, well, sometimes because also 80 00:05:15,525 --> 00:05:18,485 Speaker 1: you would sometimes consumption would last, it would like take 81 00:05:18,485 --> 00:05:22,885 Speaker 1: you real quick, which was called galloping consumption, so you 82 00:05:22,925 --> 00:05:26,325 Speaker 1: would just gallop real quick into it. Or but you know, 83 00:05:26,365 --> 00:05:28,965 Speaker 1: sometimes it could last years before you would actually like die, 84 00:05:29,045 --> 00:05:31,965 Speaker 1: but you would you would die. You know, it was 85 00:05:32,005 --> 00:05:35,325 Speaker 1: pretty pretty certain anyway. So what they were saying is 86 00:05:35,325 --> 00:05:38,605 Speaker 1: that your dead relative might have been just actually draining 87 00:05:38,645 --> 00:05:40,645 Speaker 1: your life force. So what you had to do was 88 00:05:40,685 --> 00:05:43,285 Speaker 1: you would have to like destroy the body of your 89 00:05:43,285 --> 00:05:48,445 Speaker 1: dead relative. And so that's people people were doing that 90 00:05:48,725 --> 00:05:52,765 Speaker 1: m and the most famous one was an Exeter Rhode Island. 91 00:05:52,845 --> 00:05:55,605 Speaker 1: And if you didn't know, Rhode Island is a state, 92 00:05:56,045 --> 00:05:59,485 Speaker 1: and uh hey we have like one Australian listener, they 93 00:05:59,565 --> 00:06:03,645 Speaker 1: might not know it's a state that's very small. And 94 00:06:03,685 --> 00:06:08,005 Speaker 1: so what happens is in January eighteen ninety two, Mercy 95 00:06:08,165 --> 00:06:11,765 Speaker 1: Lena Brown, she's eighteen or nineteen, she dies of consumption. 96 00:06:11,845 --> 00:06:14,525 Speaker 1: And it's real sad because her mother and her sister 97 00:06:14,565 --> 00:06:17,565 Speaker 1: had also died of the same disease about a decade previously. 98 00:06:18,165 --> 00:06:21,245 Speaker 1: And obviously her dad, George was like, I mean, that's 99 00:06:21,245 --> 00:06:25,005 Speaker 1: a lot of relatives because then also his son, his 100 00:06:25,165 --> 00:06:28,405 Speaker 1: only son, Edwyn, and you know sons are more important 101 00:06:28,405 --> 00:06:32,645 Speaker 1: than daughters. His only son, Edwin, also had consumption, and 102 00:06:32,845 --> 00:06:35,125 Speaker 1: what he does to get better. He's like, I'm going 103 00:06:35,165 --> 00:06:39,245 Speaker 1: to go to Colorado to get better because Colorado it 104 00:06:39,365 --> 00:06:42,605 Speaker 1: was the destination for people with consumption, because doctors thought 105 00:06:42,605 --> 00:06:45,325 Speaker 1: that fresh air and high altitudes and plenty of sunshine 106 00:06:45,365 --> 00:06:50,245 Speaker 1: could cure any disease. Well, it's like the medical diagnosis 107 00:06:50,245 --> 00:06:52,565 Speaker 1: of go be like in the beach for a while, 108 00:06:52,605 --> 00:06:58,085 Speaker 1: you'll feel better. Very popular back then. Yeah, Colorado not 109 00:06:58,125 --> 00:07:00,685 Speaker 1: the beach, but it was a thing. Yeah, I feel 110 00:07:00,685 --> 00:07:04,325 Speaker 1: like that's a thing. Now it's called like self care. Yeah, 111 00:07:04,405 --> 00:07:10,685 Speaker 1: I mean vitamin D these nuts love its okay, but 112 00:07:10,765 --> 00:07:14,605 Speaker 1: the thing is, unfortunately, the consumption. He didn't feel better 113 00:07:14,645 --> 00:07:17,005 Speaker 1: in Colorado. So then he and his wife were just like, well, 114 00:07:17,045 --> 00:07:19,205 Speaker 1: I guess we could just go back to like where 115 00:07:19,245 --> 00:07:22,485 Speaker 1: our families are and like, you know, live out. He 116 00:07:22,485 --> 00:07:24,685 Speaker 1: could live out his days like being around people he 117 00:07:24,765 --> 00:07:27,005 Speaker 1: likes and stuff. But by the time he got back 118 00:07:27,045 --> 00:07:31,885 Speaker 1: from Colorado, his sister, Mercy Brown, she had gotten consumption 119 00:07:31,925 --> 00:07:35,645 Speaker 1: and she died. She gets interned in the family vault. 120 00:07:36,685 --> 00:07:39,885 Speaker 1: So anyway, George is like, well, Edwin, I don't want 121 00:07:39,885 --> 00:07:42,845 Speaker 1: you to die bro and but they're saying though historians 122 00:07:42,845 --> 00:07:45,485 Speaker 1: were like, they don't think George himself actually believed in 123 00:07:45,525 --> 00:07:47,965 Speaker 1: the vampires. It was just like a lot of name 124 00:07:48,085 --> 00:07:50,565 Speaker 1: like I'm just thinking, like you had that nosy neighbor 125 00:07:50,765 --> 00:07:54,045 Speaker 1: or whatever who was like, dude, it's the vampire's your 126 00:07:54,045 --> 00:07:58,085 Speaker 1: other dead relatives who are killing Edwin. It's not the consumption, Okay, 127 00:07:58,485 --> 00:08:00,605 Speaker 1: And he was like, I don't think that's true. But 128 00:08:00,685 --> 00:08:02,325 Speaker 1: then I think there were so many of them who 129 00:08:02,365 --> 00:08:04,685 Speaker 1: were saying that his relatives were vampires that he kind 130 00:08:04,725 --> 00:08:08,005 Speaker 1: of felt sometimes you just get bullied into, you know, 131 00:08:08,085 --> 00:08:11,565 Speaker 1: like your family's vampires. Yeah, thanking your family as vampires. 132 00:08:11,605 --> 00:08:15,925 Speaker 1: You know, we've all been there before. But you know, 133 00:08:15,965 --> 00:08:18,365 Speaker 1: he also wanted his son to believe. So sometimes you 134 00:08:18,405 --> 00:08:22,045 Speaker 1: agree with the supernational supernatural stuff just in case, Like 135 00:08:22,085 --> 00:08:25,005 Speaker 1: how I have crystals under my bed just in case, 136 00:08:26,445 --> 00:08:28,485 Speaker 1: and also I just in case, I also make sure 137 00:08:28,525 --> 00:08:30,525 Speaker 1: a live a very sinful life just in case Hell 138 00:08:30,565 --> 00:08:32,245 Speaker 1: exists and I need to go down to Hell because 139 00:08:32,245 --> 00:08:34,085 Speaker 1: that's where all the weird people are and we would 140 00:08:34,165 --> 00:08:36,525 Speaker 1: hang out. You know, that's a that's a great way 141 00:08:36,565 --> 00:08:39,965 Speaker 1: to think about that. Yeah, just in case, I make 142 00:08:40,005 --> 00:08:45,485 Speaker 1: sure to be a bad person. Okay. Anyway, so one 143 00:08:45,485 --> 00:08:47,205 Speaker 1: of his neighbors said, of course he's going to die 144 00:08:47,205 --> 00:08:49,325 Speaker 1: of consumption. There's no help for it, so long as 145 00:08:49,365 --> 00:08:52,645 Speaker 1: his brother and sisters prey upon him. My thing is, like, 146 00:08:53,005 --> 00:08:56,205 Speaker 1: why did they think that the other dead like were 147 00:08:56,245 --> 00:08:59,965 Speaker 1: their bodies? They got bullied into it, kept I know, 148 00:09:00,125 --> 00:09:03,645 Speaker 1: but I just the logic of it, because like, I 149 00:09:03,685 --> 00:09:09,245 Speaker 1: don't get bullied, okay except for us, That's actually true. 150 00:09:09,245 --> 00:09:11,685 Speaker 1: I did not get bullied growing up, mostly because I 151 00:09:11,765 --> 00:09:13,845 Speaker 1: moved around so much, and I just don't think I 152 00:09:13,925 --> 00:09:17,765 Speaker 1: realized it. Na. They were just the way that they 153 00:09:17,805 --> 00:09:20,405 Speaker 1: would prove that somebody was a vampire obviously, is that 154 00:09:20,485 --> 00:09:23,005 Speaker 1: what they would do is they would then go and 155 00:09:23,085 --> 00:09:27,565 Speaker 1: like exoom their relatives and if they still had blood 156 00:09:28,045 --> 00:09:34,405 Speaker 1: in their heart, obviously they were a vampire. Okay. So 157 00:09:34,965 --> 00:09:40,205 Speaker 1: in this case, what happens is there's this medical examiner, 158 00:09:40,725 --> 00:09:44,645 Speaker 1: doctor metcalf And at first there's this guy who was 159 00:09:44,685 --> 00:09:47,245 Speaker 1: like he was just like a dude in the community 160 00:09:47,245 --> 00:09:48,685 Speaker 1: went up to him and being like, hey, we should 161 00:09:48,765 --> 00:09:51,245 Speaker 1: zoom these bodies to make sure that they're not draining 162 00:09:51,405 --> 00:09:54,645 Speaker 1: Edwin's life force. And doctor Metcalfe is like, that's so silly, 163 00:09:54,925 --> 00:09:57,765 Speaker 1: you silly geese. What are you talking about. But then, 164 00:09:57,845 --> 00:10:00,725 Speaker 1: because George had probably been bullied by his neighbors, George 165 00:10:00,765 --> 00:10:04,325 Speaker 1: actually officially requested it from this medical examiner to zoom 166 00:10:04,365 --> 00:10:06,605 Speaker 1: the bodies and like, give i'm an autopsy to make 167 00:10:06,605 --> 00:10:10,325 Speaker 1: sure there wasn't any blood in the hearts. Okay. So 168 00:10:10,565 --> 00:10:12,285 Speaker 1: doctor my Cap was like, I mean, that's a nice 169 00:10:12,525 --> 00:10:15,285 Speaker 1: doctor thing to do. He's like, this is scientifically stupid, 170 00:10:16,165 --> 00:10:18,685 Speaker 1: but you know what, I want you guys to feel good, 171 00:10:19,085 --> 00:10:22,445 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll just make sure they're not vampires or whatever. 172 00:10:23,485 --> 00:10:26,645 Speaker 1: So in March eighteen ninety two, which is just like 173 00:10:26,725 --> 00:10:30,805 Speaker 1: two months after Mercy dies, there's four dudes. They go 174 00:10:31,125 --> 00:10:33,325 Speaker 1: and they dig up the mom who had died nine 175 00:10:33,445 --> 00:10:36,005 Speaker 1: years ago, and all that was left to her was 176 00:10:36,005 --> 00:10:38,925 Speaker 1: she was mummified with the muscle and skin, but there's 177 00:10:38,965 --> 00:10:40,765 Speaker 1: no blood to be found, so they're like, Okay, the 178 00:10:40,845 --> 00:10:43,765 Speaker 1: mom is not a vampire. Then they go and dig 179 00:10:43,845 --> 00:10:46,125 Speaker 1: up the other sister and all that remained of her 180 00:10:46,245 --> 00:10:49,245 Speaker 1: was a skeleton and some hair, and they're like, okay, 181 00:10:49,285 --> 00:10:51,565 Speaker 1: there's no blood to be found here either. And then 182 00:10:51,805 --> 00:10:55,885 Speaker 1: there's Mercy's in the family tomb. And so they don't 183 00:10:55,885 --> 00:10:57,045 Speaker 1: have to dig her up. They just have to like, 184 00:10:57,045 --> 00:10:59,045 Speaker 1: you know, pull her out of the tomb. And you 185 00:10:59,085 --> 00:11:04,205 Speaker 1: know what, this bitch had blood in her heart. Ah wow, 186 00:11:04,445 --> 00:11:06,845 Speaker 1: Like it's definitely not because she died two months ago. 187 00:11:06,925 --> 00:11:09,525 Speaker 1: And it's definitely not because it was really cold and 188 00:11:09,525 --> 00:11:12,765 Speaker 1: so her body was pretty preserved. It's definitely because she's 189 00:11:12,805 --> 00:11:17,005 Speaker 1: a vampire. That's right. First. Yeah, another thing, well, this 190 00:11:17,085 --> 00:11:18,965 Speaker 1: is one thing that is kind of spooky about this 191 00:11:19,005 --> 00:11:22,405 Speaker 1: in real life is that there's a descendant of hers 192 00:11:22,685 --> 00:11:25,445 Speaker 1: who tells this story, and he said that when the 193 00:11:25,525 --> 00:11:28,365 Speaker 1: dudes found her in the family tomb, she was actually 194 00:11:28,405 --> 00:11:31,645 Speaker 1: turned over from where she was, like she was laid 195 00:11:31,685 --> 00:11:34,405 Speaker 1: down on her back, but she was turned over in 196 00:11:34,525 --> 00:11:36,285 Speaker 1: the tomb, which is spooky. But he was like, I 197 00:11:36,325 --> 00:11:38,805 Speaker 1: don't even attribute that to supernatural so everything. Maybe she 198 00:11:38,885 --> 00:11:41,525 Speaker 1: just like wasn't fully dead when they buried her or 199 00:11:41,565 --> 00:11:44,725 Speaker 1: when they put her in the family tomb, which I'm like, oh, 200 00:11:44,845 --> 00:11:49,085 Speaker 1: like that both those options are not ideal. Yeah, but 201 00:11:49,205 --> 00:11:50,725 Speaker 1: you know it's one. Back in the day, sometimes it 202 00:11:50,805 --> 00:11:54,365 Speaker 1: was hard to tell if someone was fully dead, you know, yeah, 203 00:11:54,565 --> 00:11:57,165 Speaker 1: it was hard. But then so they take her body 204 00:11:57,205 --> 00:12:00,845 Speaker 1: to doctor Metcalfe and he does the optopsy. He removes 205 00:12:00,845 --> 00:12:03,685 Speaker 1: the heart in the liver and he finds clotted, decomposed 206 00:12:03,685 --> 00:12:06,685 Speaker 1: blood in them, and all the towns people like vampire, vampire, 207 00:12:06,725 --> 00:12:08,805 Speaker 1: and he's like, guys, this is just like pretty normal 208 00:12:08,925 --> 00:12:12,525 Speaker 1: decomposition stuff. But they're like, they're they're not gonna have it. 209 00:12:12,565 --> 00:12:15,005 Speaker 1: And so they take the liver and the heart and 210 00:12:15,045 --> 00:12:18,045 Speaker 1: then there's this like stone in the cemetery and then 211 00:12:18,085 --> 00:12:23,405 Speaker 1: they burned them. Oh they burned them, okay, and they're like, not, 212 00:12:23,565 --> 00:12:26,885 Speaker 1: we got them, we got the vampire. And then some 213 00:12:26,925 --> 00:12:29,565 Speaker 1: people also say that they then took the ashes from 214 00:12:29,565 --> 00:12:32,485 Speaker 1: the heart and they mix them in water for Edwin 215 00:12:32,565 --> 00:12:36,605 Speaker 1: to drink. Okay, and they're like this elixir of the ashes, 216 00:12:36,685 --> 00:12:41,165 Speaker 1: in combination with destroying the vampire should cure him, right right, Uh, 217 00:12:41,325 --> 00:12:44,445 Speaker 1: this sounds a little too familiar to some things that 218 00:12:44,485 --> 00:12:48,805 Speaker 1: are happening today. They're like, no scientist, doctors, they don't know. 219 00:12:49,285 --> 00:12:53,645 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just make my own elixir and have you 220 00:12:53,685 --> 00:12:58,925 Speaker 1: know Horse de Warmer, Yeah exactly, And you know what happened. 221 00:12:59,405 --> 00:13:04,525 Speaker 1: He did. Win died two months later, so yeah, you know, 222 00:13:04,885 --> 00:13:10,165 Speaker 1: still earlier. It didn't work. Other things that people would do. 223 00:13:10,285 --> 00:13:12,765 Speaker 1: They would do even more dramatic things they wouldn't just 224 00:13:12,805 --> 00:13:15,885 Speaker 1: like often burning the heart, burning the organs, that was something. 225 00:13:15,925 --> 00:13:19,485 Speaker 1: Other times there was this other case in a similar 226 00:13:19,605 --> 00:13:22,245 Speaker 1: area where there was a guy who they thought was 227 00:13:22,245 --> 00:13:25,285 Speaker 1: a vampire and they but they exhumed him and there 228 00:13:25,365 --> 00:13:27,005 Speaker 1: was no blood to be found and said they just 229 00:13:27,085 --> 00:13:34,005 Speaker 1: broke all of his bones. They just like, yeah, corps's bones. Um. 230 00:13:34,205 --> 00:13:38,325 Speaker 1: Other times they would like burn full bodies. Um. Sometimes 231 00:13:38,365 --> 00:13:43,245 Speaker 1: they would also decapitate corpses, you know, just to be 232 00:13:43,325 --> 00:13:46,525 Speaker 1: safe so that you know they can't emerge and get 233 00:13:46,565 --> 00:13:50,045 Speaker 1: your stuff, get your It's like so tragic because they're 234 00:13:50,045 --> 00:13:53,325 Speaker 1: doing this to other relatives. Yeah, it's to your relatives. Yeah. 235 00:13:53,365 --> 00:13:55,325 Speaker 1: But like what I find a little bit silly is 236 00:13:55,365 --> 00:13:57,165 Speaker 1: like it's not out of the role of possibility that 237 00:13:57,205 --> 00:13:59,525 Speaker 1: this person is coming back alive and then like sucking 238 00:13:59,525 --> 00:14:02,045 Speaker 1: your soul. But like why wouldn't they like if you 239 00:14:02,085 --> 00:14:06,725 Speaker 1: try to like like if that's plausible, how could like 240 00:14:06,765 --> 00:14:10,965 Speaker 1: I mean it's possible that they could also continue come 241 00:14:11,005 --> 00:14:14,925 Speaker 1: out of their grave or whatever with broken bones or 242 00:14:15,245 --> 00:14:19,685 Speaker 1: you know, like you know what it's like, if it's 243 00:14:19,845 --> 00:14:23,005 Speaker 1: causing their logic, then yes, like I don't understand, Like, 244 00:14:23,045 --> 00:14:27,165 Speaker 1: how does that secure their death? You know what I mean? Well, yeah, 245 00:14:27,165 --> 00:14:30,405 Speaker 1: I guess burning the organs makes sense, like burning any 246 00:14:30,445 --> 00:14:33,125 Speaker 1: of the blood that they have, that makes that makes 247 00:14:33,125 --> 00:14:35,045 Speaker 1: sense to me. But you're right, I think just like 248 00:14:35,125 --> 00:14:37,845 Speaker 1: breaking the bones and chopping their heads off. You know 249 00:14:38,445 --> 00:14:43,845 Speaker 1: who's just reattach it. Yeah. Yeah, so you're right, you 250 00:14:43,885 --> 00:14:45,765 Speaker 1: should chop off the head and then burn the head. 251 00:14:45,805 --> 00:14:47,445 Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you should probably just burn the 252 00:14:47,445 --> 00:14:50,965 Speaker 1: whole thing, the whole thing to be safe. Yeah, not 253 00:14:51,005 --> 00:14:54,765 Speaker 1: just the head, because then you have the headless horseman exactly. Yeah, 254 00:14:54,805 --> 00:14:59,565 Speaker 1: and then that would be even scarier. Yeah, sucking your 255 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:02,645 Speaker 1: soul and also headless, so scary. Then that would be weird, 256 00:15:02,805 --> 00:15:08,765 Speaker 1: but kind of sexy too, Yeah, so sexy anyway. So 257 00:15:10,165 --> 00:15:12,845 Speaker 1: it was also I mean a thing though around this time, 258 00:15:12,965 --> 00:15:19,405 Speaker 1: like when Mercy died, they the dude, a dude, a scientist, dude, 259 00:15:19,445 --> 00:15:22,245 Speaker 1: he had actually you know, found the bacteria and had 260 00:15:22,285 --> 00:15:26,605 Speaker 1: identified consumption as a disease. But then the funny thing 261 00:15:26,645 --> 00:15:29,685 Speaker 1: about that was that then like the New York Times, 262 00:15:29,685 --> 00:15:32,245 Speaker 1: like literally around the same time that Mercy Brown died, 263 00:15:32,605 --> 00:15:35,125 Speaker 1: they were like had all these like articles like mocking 264 00:15:35,165 --> 00:15:37,765 Speaker 1: this dude being like, oh, you silly goose, thinking it's 265 00:15:37,765 --> 00:15:40,405 Speaker 1: just this bacteria with this disease. And it wasn't until 266 00:15:40,445 --> 00:15:43,005 Speaker 1: like sixty years later that there was actually treatment for it, 267 00:15:43,045 --> 00:15:45,925 Speaker 1: but they like kind of knew what it was. But again, 268 00:15:45,965 --> 00:15:48,445 Speaker 1: it's like people weren't trust in the science. They're just like, 269 00:15:48,445 --> 00:15:51,685 Speaker 1: this is crazy town, Get out of here. So obviously 270 00:15:51,725 --> 00:15:54,845 Speaker 1: it's a vampire. Okay, obviously it's a vampire. It's not 271 00:15:54,965 --> 00:15:59,165 Speaker 1: a disease, it's not a bacteria. It's it's like a 272 00:15:59,285 --> 00:16:02,165 Speaker 1: basically like an energy vampire, like if we're using the 273 00:16:02,285 --> 00:16:05,485 Speaker 1: language of um, yeah, what we do in the show. 274 00:16:06,085 --> 00:16:09,645 Speaker 1: So I love that show anyway. So that is uh, 275 00:16:09,925 --> 00:16:12,845 Speaker 1: you know, Mercy Brown. And then there's like hundreds of 276 00:16:12,885 --> 00:16:15,885 Speaker 1: other people that this happened too, because there's that guy 277 00:16:15,925 --> 00:16:18,365 Speaker 1: who wrote the book about vampires in New England. He 278 00:16:18,845 --> 00:16:21,245 Speaker 1: there was just like yet, lots of bodies being exhumed, 279 00:16:21,285 --> 00:16:24,725 Speaker 1: lots of bodies being chopped up and burned. But because 280 00:16:24,725 --> 00:16:28,605 Speaker 1: there's a lot of consumption, So yeah, there we have it. 281 00:16:29,125 --> 00:16:37,285 Speaker 1: Well when we come back, more vampires, welcome back all 282 00:16:37,365 --> 00:16:41,245 Speaker 1: you could ever pals. We all love a good vampire story. 283 00:16:42,045 --> 00:16:44,165 Speaker 1: And I have a few I like went down quite 284 00:16:44,165 --> 00:16:47,085 Speaker 1: a rabbit hole. I was like, Okay, what's the origin 285 00:16:47,205 --> 00:16:51,085 Speaker 1: of vampires? Like, why are people deciding that vampires are 286 00:16:51,085 --> 00:16:55,805 Speaker 1: a thing? Why are they a tailor? I got you? Okay. 287 00:16:56,125 --> 00:16:59,805 Speaker 1: So often creatures such as vampires came to be known 288 00:16:59,845 --> 00:17:02,645 Speaker 1: because of a medical issue. As Gabby explained, that they 289 00:17:02,685 --> 00:17:06,645 Speaker 1: just simply didn't understand. So they're like, yep, they're a vampire, right, 290 00:17:07,405 --> 00:17:09,485 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why in a lot of these instances 291 00:17:09,685 --> 00:17:12,765 Speaker 1: earlier on, why they were being exhoomed. I guess, like 292 00:17:12,805 --> 00:17:14,845 Speaker 1: in my research I wasn't finding though, but I guess 293 00:17:14,885 --> 00:17:17,365 Speaker 1: it's because they suspected that they were sucking their souls. 294 00:17:17,405 --> 00:17:20,965 Speaker 1: So that makes sense. Okay, So this is like earlier on, 295 00:17:21,125 --> 00:17:24,525 Speaker 1: This is like early early early eighteenth century when it 296 00:17:24,565 --> 00:17:27,525 Speaker 1: first kind of came about. And so again they were 297 00:17:27,525 --> 00:17:30,725 Speaker 1: exooming people and finding that they weren't decomposing. But what 298 00:17:30,765 --> 00:17:34,845 Speaker 1: they were finding was a lot of these people also 299 00:17:34,965 --> 00:17:40,245 Speaker 1: had all these corpses had blood around their mouths and noses, 300 00:17:40,485 --> 00:17:43,005 Speaker 1: and so they were like, oh my gosh, these people 301 00:17:43,125 --> 00:17:45,645 Speaker 1: they're coming out, they're sucking the blood. Like that's where 302 00:17:45,685 --> 00:17:48,485 Speaker 1: the blood sucking part came about, is because they were 303 00:17:48,525 --> 00:17:52,045 Speaker 1: finding these corpses with blood around their mouth, and they're like, 304 00:17:52,125 --> 00:17:55,325 Speaker 1: they should have decomposed by now. They're like, you know, 305 00:17:55,685 --> 00:17:58,765 Speaker 1: they didn't take into consideration that, Okay, they've been buried 306 00:17:58,765 --> 00:18:03,165 Speaker 1: there in a cooler environment. You know, they're being preserved better, like, 307 00:18:03,365 --> 00:18:06,085 Speaker 1: especially in the instances where they weren't you know, didn't 308 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:07,965 Speaker 1: die like a gruesome death with any like wounds or 309 00:18:08,005 --> 00:18:14,125 Speaker 1: anything like. Obviously that makes um decomposition happen faster. So um, 310 00:18:14,165 --> 00:18:17,285 Speaker 1: so yeah, they're like these guys, they're they're coming out 311 00:18:17,325 --> 00:18:19,565 Speaker 1: of their graves, drinking blood, going back to sleep in 312 00:18:19,605 --> 00:18:27,005 Speaker 1: their coffins. So obviously obvious. So to be sure that 313 00:18:27,125 --> 00:18:30,885 Speaker 1: people if they were suspecting that their loved ones were vampires, 314 00:18:31,245 --> 00:18:34,245 Speaker 1: they decided they're like, hey, let's just let's just make 315 00:18:34,285 --> 00:18:36,245 Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated for them to get out 316 00:18:36,245 --> 00:18:38,765 Speaker 1: of the grave, and we'll bury them face down so 317 00:18:38,805 --> 00:18:41,085 Speaker 1: it'll be more difficult. They might get lost on the 318 00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:44,045 Speaker 1: way out or whatever just because they're face down. Because 319 00:18:44,045 --> 00:18:46,885 Speaker 1: they're face down. Yeah, like I've lost a good figure 320 00:18:46,925 --> 00:18:49,965 Speaker 1: out how do I get out of it? Yeah, seemingly 321 00:18:50,005 --> 00:18:52,605 Speaker 1: like and then also a thing that they would do 322 00:18:52,685 --> 00:18:54,725 Speaker 1: is put a stake in their heart to just ensure 323 00:18:54,765 --> 00:19:00,405 Speaker 1: that they were dead. So like a ribbi uh no, 324 00:19:00,605 --> 00:19:05,725 Speaker 1: like a giant piece of wood, yeah, fly their heart. Yeah. 325 00:19:05,805 --> 00:19:09,805 Speaker 1: So later when it became more heard of, you know 326 00:19:09,845 --> 00:19:15,125 Speaker 1: that these vampires were a thing another disease that people 327 00:19:15,165 --> 00:19:17,965 Speaker 1: were acting very animal like. They were foaming at the 328 00:19:18,045 --> 00:19:23,125 Speaker 1: mouth and um, it's brabies. It it is not a 329 00:19:23,125 --> 00:19:28,125 Speaker 1: coincidence that rabies was thriving at the time. Okay, so 330 00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:32,685 Speaker 1: so so a lot of um so yes, tuberculosis was one, 331 00:19:32,965 --> 00:19:36,405 Speaker 1: but another was like people that were acting you know, 332 00:19:36,525 --> 00:19:39,685 Speaker 1: kind of crazy and animalistic or whatever it was because 333 00:19:39,685 --> 00:19:42,125 Speaker 1: they had rabies and so they would foam at the mouth, 334 00:19:42,165 --> 00:19:45,245 Speaker 1: and so people assumed that those those were those people 335 00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:50,285 Speaker 1: who had rabies also were vampires. But anyway, that makes 336 00:19:50,325 --> 00:19:53,725 Speaker 1: sense to me more than tuberculosis, I mean, because it 337 00:19:53,805 --> 00:19:57,045 Speaker 1: kind of like starts from I mean, I mean, tuberculous 338 00:19:57,205 --> 00:19:59,325 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, they were kind of like draining or whatever, 339 00:19:59,405 --> 00:20:03,725 Speaker 1: but like acting animalistic like air quotes. I don't know. 340 00:20:04,285 --> 00:20:06,765 Speaker 1: But enough of that, because I have like three things 341 00:20:06,805 --> 00:20:08,605 Speaker 1: about vampires and I'm real excited to tell you about 342 00:20:08,605 --> 00:20:12,085 Speaker 1: this next one. Okay, so y'all know, I gotta mention 343 00:20:12,485 --> 00:20:16,565 Speaker 1: lad Dracula or better known as vlad the Impaler, who 344 00:20:16,645 --> 00:20:19,685 Speaker 1: was this real person and his last name, yes, was Dracula, 345 00:20:19,845 --> 00:20:24,885 Speaker 1: which means dragon. So I just thought that was a 346 00:20:24,885 --> 00:20:27,565 Speaker 1: fun fact. That is fun. I'm having fun. Okay, good. 347 00:20:28,005 --> 00:20:30,605 Speaker 1: So it is very likely, as you can imagine, that 348 00:20:30,645 --> 00:20:34,725 Speaker 1: this inspired the late nineteenth century classic novel Dracula. So 349 00:20:34,885 --> 00:20:37,685 Speaker 1: old Vladie boy. He was an eighteenth century ruler of 350 00:20:37,685 --> 00:20:40,525 Speaker 1: what is now Romania. Nika, I know, you like to 351 00:20:40,565 --> 00:20:45,045 Speaker 1: hear what these crazy people look like. So he's very dazzling. 352 00:20:45,165 --> 00:20:48,765 Speaker 1: He has like this curly cue mustache. He's got like 353 00:20:48,885 --> 00:20:51,885 Speaker 1: long curly brown hair, big eyes, sharp features, and he's 354 00:20:51,885 --> 00:20:56,285 Speaker 1: got this like very bedazzled crown looking thing. Oh my gosh, 355 00:20:56,325 --> 00:20:58,885 Speaker 1: that's I love that. Thank you, You're welcome. He had 356 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:02,645 Speaker 1: a very complicated childhood. I won't really go there. Trauma. 357 00:21:02,805 --> 00:21:06,645 Speaker 1: He had some trauma for sure, not drag, I know. 358 00:21:07,245 --> 00:21:10,365 Speaker 1: But his dad was a ruler, got killed, removed from 359 00:21:10,365 --> 00:21:14,085 Speaker 1: the throne. So Lottie boys like, I'm going to get 360 00:21:14,125 --> 00:21:15,765 Speaker 1: back on that throne if it's the last thing I do. 361 00:21:16,005 --> 00:21:20,125 Speaker 1: And he does. So the town is like anarchy, and 362 00:21:20,205 --> 00:21:23,565 Speaker 1: he's like, fine, I'll have a party. You guys, can't 363 00:21:23,725 --> 00:21:26,085 Speaker 1: you even you guys that like hate me, y'all can come. 364 00:21:26,125 --> 00:21:27,885 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have this party and try and make 365 00:21:27,885 --> 00:21:31,845 Speaker 1: it up to you, generous king, so sweet, but you're 366 00:21:31,885 --> 00:21:33,325 Speaker 1: going to change your mind of what you just said. 367 00:21:33,525 --> 00:21:35,245 Speaker 1: So and then he was like, oh, I'm going to 368 00:21:35,365 --> 00:21:38,205 Speaker 1: kill all of you, and so at the party. At 369 00:21:38,205 --> 00:21:40,445 Speaker 1: the party, he killed every single one of his guests 370 00:21:40,445 --> 00:21:47,765 Speaker 1: by impaling them on stakes. Again, sharp sticks not count me. 371 00:21:48,565 --> 00:21:53,245 Speaker 1: So he wouldn't impale them, terrible party. He would impale them, y'all, 372 00:21:53,325 --> 00:21:55,885 Speaker 1: this is very gruesome. So if you're like, I don't know, 373 00:21:56,525 --> 00:21:58,445 Speaker 1: he would impale them from the bottom up. So if 374 00:21:58,445 --> 00:22:01,245 Speaker 1: you were dude through the annis out through the mouth, 375 00:22:01,325 --> 00:22:03,285 Speaker 1: and if you're a woman through the vagina and out 376 00:22:03,285 --> 00:22:06,165 Speaker 1: through the mouth, why didn't we get the all treatment 377 00:22:06,245 --> 00:22:08,565 Speaker 1: we also have buttholes? I mean, I don't know if 378 00:22:08,605 --> 00:22:14,805 Speaker 1: he was like, wait, oh my gosh, so steaks are 379 00:22:14,845 --> 00:22:23,445 Speaker 1: pretty long. So yeah, okay, So so anyways, so then 380 00:22:23,445 --> 00:22:25,445 Speaker 1: he like, you know, he had them all out on 381 00:22:25,485 --> 00:22:28,205 Speaker 1: the stakes, and so a lot of his enemies that 382 00:22:28,285 --> 00:22:31,765 Speaker 1: he would kill, and this was his preferred way. It 383 00:22:31,845 --> 00:22:34,605 Speaker 1: was rumored that he would eat dinner with them. Like 384 00:22:34,685 --> 00:22:37,685 Speaker 1: after he impaled them and would like dip his bread 385 00:22:37,805 --> 00:22:42,645 Speaker 1: in their blood. Oh, he's like actively not okay, he 386 00:22:42,925 --> 00:22:46,685 Speaker 1: is actively not okay, So but he has trauma though. 387 00:22:47,125 --> 00:22:52,405 Speaker 1: He's a poor boy. So we can all imagine how 388 00:22:52,565 --> 00:22:57,445 Speaker 1: perhaps Dracula came about by way of vladim Pillar. Yeah, 389 00:22:57,485 --> 00:23:01,005 Speaker 1: that makes sense. So, um, don't you worry. He's not 390 00:23:01,085 --> 00:23:03,885 Speaker 1: an actual vampire today. He was beheaded and as we 391 00:23:04,005 --> 00:23:07,005 Speaker 1: know that that like solid fies that you're not a vampire. 392 00:23:07,045 --> 00:23:09,845 Speaker 1: You can't be a vampire. He was beheaded in battle 393 00:23:09,885 --> 00:23:12,405 Speaker 1: by his enemies, which, as you can imagine, he had 394 00:23:12,405 --> 00:23:15,645 Speaker 1: a lot of it, like the beheading they do in 395 00:23:15,765 --> 00:23:18,085 Speaker 1: Twilight where they have to rip their heads off and 396 00:23:18,125 --> 00:23:22,205 Speaker 1: it sounds like ice breaking. Is that what happened? I 397 00:23:22,285 --> 00:23:25,765 Speaker 1: don't know. I wasn't there, okay, okay, I thought you 398 00:23:25,805 --> 00:23:28,805 Speaker 1: were doing better research. Now, Taylor, you weren't there, Okay. 399 00:23:28,885 --> 00:23:33,365 Speaker 1: I didn't take a time machine back, okay, okay, but okay. 400 00:23:33,405 --> 00:23:35,165 Speaker 1: And so the last thing that I'll say is they're 401 00:23:35,245 --> 00:23:40,965 Speaker 1: actually vampires to this day, and they will drink little 402 00:23:41,005 --> 00:23:45,165 Speaker 1: tiny bits of blood for health purposes. And there are 403 00:23:45,165 --> 00:23:47,445 Speaker 1: groups you can join in Atlanta. You guys has a 404 00:23:47,605 --> 00:23:51,445 Speaker 1: very pop in one called the AVA or the Atlanta 405 00:23:51,565 --> 00:23:55,925 Speaker 1: Vampire Alliance. So if you want to join this group, 406 00:23:56,245 --> 00:23:58,605 Speaker 1: it was a very complicated group. I started researching it, 407 00:23:58,685 --> 00:24:00,645 Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of bey on the realm 408 00:24:00,685 --> 00:24:03,365 Speaker 1: of what I could understand. It was going to take 409 00:24:03,405 --> 00:24:06,525 Speaker 1: me days and days and days done of it. I 410 00:24:06,605 --> 00:24:08,565 Speaker 1: love it. I researched a little a little bit just 411 00:24:08,605 --> 00:24:12,885 Speaker 1: for fun, like over a year ago, and I remember 412 00:24:13,045 --> 00:24:17,205 Speaker 1: reading that they have people who donate their blood to them, like, 413 00:24:17,605 --> 00:24:21,085 Speaker 1: which is so interesting. So they have like volunteer victims 414 00:24:21,645 --> 00:24:23,845 Speaker 1: and they're just really cute. But it's not like all 415 00:24:23,845 --> 00:24:25,765 Speaker 1: of their blood just like a little bit. No, it's 416 00:24:25,805 --> 00:24:29,125 Speaker 1: teeny it's a teeny tiny bit. And they fully really 417 00:24:30,205 --> 00:24:34,525 Speaker 1: believe believe they are vampires. Like they're like, oh, we 418 00:24:34,685 --> 00:24:37,685 Speaker 1: really do have sensitivity to the sun only kind of 419 00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:40,765 Speaker 1: we're nocturnal for the most part, blah blah. And I'm 420 00:24:40,805 --> 00:24:43,565 Speaker 1: just like, this is amazing. Live your best life. If 421 00:24:43,605 --> 00:24:46,285 Speaker 1: you believe you are a vampire, you are. They also 422 00:24:46,365 --> 00:24:49,285 Speaker 1: allow people who believe that they have like psychic abilities 423 00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:52,405 Speaker 1: or people who have psychic abilities, and like there's like 424 00:24:52,525 --> 00:24:55,885 Speaker 1: these houses that you can be associated with that like 425 00:24:56,045 --> 00:24:58,445 Speaker 1: that's where I started being like, Okay, I gotta go 426 00:24:58,685 --> 00:25:01,165 Speaker 1: way further down the rabbit hole than I'm willing to 427 00:25:01,205 --> 00:25:06,885 Speaker 1: go on a Monday afternoon. I love it. I think 428 00:25:06,885 --> 00:25:10,365 Speaker 1: they're great and it's a really big association. So good, 429 00:25:10,445 --> 00:25:15,365 Speaker 1: good for Atlanta. Yeah we represent yeah, Okay. So with that, Nico, 430 00:25:15,445 --> 00:25:18,405 Speaker 1: would you like to change the topic for us? I would. 431 00:25:18,525 --> 00:25:22,805 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to a ghost story. I'm very excited 432 00:25:22,845 --> 00:25:25,285 Speaker 1: about it. Although I love vampires, I think vampires are 433 00:25:25,325 --> 00:25:28,845 Speaker 1: sexier than ghosts personally, don't hate me. Depends on it 434 00:25:28,885 --> 00:25:30,685 Speaker 1: depends on the vampire and it depends on the ghost. 435 00:25:31,125 --> 00:25:34,405 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true because some vampires throughout pop culture 436 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:37,925 Speaker 1: have not been cute, and I disagree and my like, 437 00:25:38,205 --> 00:25:40,245 Speaker 1: a vampire story to me is not realistic if the 438 00:25:40,325 --> 00:25:43,205 Speaker 1: vampire is not hot. Sorry. Also, ghosts can be cute, 439 00:25:43,325 --> 00:25:46,005 Speaker 1: I know, I know. I think, Oh, Casper Caspers, a 440 00:25:46,045 --> 00:25:49,805 Speaker 1: good Cusper is adorable, okay, Oh my god. Or Jack 441 00:25:49,845 --> 00:25:55,165 Speaker 1: Skellington's dog Zero, He's freaking cute. Okay. So we're gonna 442 00:25:55,205 --> 00:25:58,645 Speaker 1: go to the town of Hammersmith in the outskirts of London. 443 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:04,525 Speaker 1: It is eighteen o three in winter. Is a happening. Yep, 444 00:26:04,845 --> 00:26:09,405 Speaker 1: people are being terrorized by a ghost. Yes. Apparently a 445 00:26:09,445 --> 00:26:11,965 Speaker 1: man had set his own throat the year before and 446 00:26:12,125 --> 00:26:15,725 Speaker 1: was buried in the local churchyard, which, according to local belief, 447 00:26:15,805 --> 00:26:17,725 Speaker 1: meant that his soul would not be at rest since 448 00:26:17,725 --> 00:26:20,485 Speaker 1: he died from a suicide, and they just believed that 449 00:26:20,485 --> 00:26:26,165 Speaker 1: you shouldn't bury suicide victims in like a church cemetery. 450 00:26:26,525 --> 00:26:28,885 Speaker 1: So sometimes people assumed that's kind of what it was, 451 00:26:28,925 --> 00:26:31,325 Speaker 1: and that was it was his ghost kind of haunting people. 452 00:26:31,885 --> 00:26:34,725 Speaker 1: Others thought it was simply a deviant pretending to be 453 00:26:34,725 --> 00:26:37,205 Speaker 1: a ghost with a white sheet over you know, his 454 00:26:37,405 --> 00:26:41,645 Speaker 1: or her head and just like scaring people of her fun. Wow, 455 00:26:41,805 --> 00:26:45,885 Speaker 1: so scary the white sheet. But it was like someone 456 00:26:45,925 --> 00:26:48,365 Speaker 1: in all white like that's they would always say. It 457 00:26:48,405 --> 00:26:52,885 Speaker 1: was an all white being basically like this. One pregnant 458 00:26:52,925 --> 00:26:56,285 Speaker 1: woman reported seeing this very tall and thin figure when 459 00:26:56,325 --> 00:26:59,285 Speaker 1: she was crossing the churchyard late at night. Question why 460 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:01,925 Speaker 1: were you crossing the churchyard late at night? But anyway, 461 00:27:01,965 --> 00:27:04,845 Speaker 1: and she reported that the figure seemed to rise from 462 00:27:04,885 --> 00:27:08,045 Speaker 1: the tombstone owns and had a human like form, and 463 00:27:08,125 --> 00:27:10,685 Speaker 1: it ran toward her and it shocked her and she 464 00:27:10,845 --> 00:27:14,405 Speaker 1: fainted and then this is tragic. She died two days later. Wait, 465 00:27:14,525 --> 00:27:18,925 Speaker 1: shocked her, like surprised her, shocked her like boo, or 466 00:27:19,045 --> 00:27:22,805 Speaker 1: like or like some sort of electricity. No, like like 467 00:27:22,885 --> 00:27:28,125 Speaker 1: shocked her like scared her. Okay, this is just a classic, Yeah, 468 00:27:28,165 --> 00:27:32,565 Speaker 1: a classic, like boo, I'm scaring you ghost. Um, anyway, 469 00:27:32,645 --> 00:27:34,885 Speaker 1: she died two days later, a little sad. And it 470 00:27:34,925 --> 00:27:38,125 Speaker 1: was also said that the ghost would hunt the passageways 471 00:27:38,165 --> 00:27:40,805 Speaker 1: to like get to the town, and so a bunch 472 00:27:40,845 --> 00:27:43,325 Speaker 1: of efforts were made in this town to try to 473 00:27:43,365 --> 00:27:45,765 Speaker 1: stop this person or ghost and there were but there 474 00:27:45,765 --> 00:27:47,925 Speaker 1: were like so many bylines and streets to get to 475 00:27:47,965 --> 00:27:51,285 Speaker 1: Hammersmith that it was impossible to tell which area the 476 00:27:51,325 --> 00:27:53,565 Speaker 1: ghost would be in. So they would have like patrol 477 00:27:53,565 --> 00:27:57,045 Speaker 1: women patrol certain streets, but then like the ghost would 478 00:27:57,085 --> 00:27:59,565 Speaker 1: pop up in the street that they were not patrolling, 479 00:27:59,685 --> 00:28:02,165 Speaker 1: which is just so it's just comedic to me at 480 00:28:02,165 --> 00:28:05,765 Speaker 1: this point. Um, yeah, it's it's a lot. The ghost 481 00:28:05,805 --> 00:28:09,365 Speaker 1: appeared to a couple other people as well, like documented 482 00:28:09,885 --> 00:28:11,965 Speaker 1: throughout the winter of eighteen oh three and in the 483 00:28:12,005 --> 00:28:16,045 Speaker 1: beginning of eighteen oh four, like this guy a brewer's servant, which, 484 00:28:16,045 --> 00:28:20,085 Speaker 1: by the way, the title some of these jobs are hilarious. 485 00:28:20,085 --> 00:28:23,285 Speaker 1: A brewer's servant, okay, he said that both he and 486 00:28:23,325 --> 00:28:25,885 Speaker 1: a friend were walking by the churchyard at nine pm 487 00:28:26,245 --> 00:28:29,245 Speaker 1: when something rose from a tombstone and grabbed him from 488 00:28:29,285 --> 00:28:32,205 Speaker 1: behind by his throat, and then when his friend turned 489 00:28:32,205 --> 00:28:34,965 Speaker 1: around to stop whatever it was, it let go of him. 490 00:28:35,325 --> 00:28:38,645 Speaker 1: And then the brewer's servant turned around and he saw nothing. 491 00:28:38,925 --> 00:28:41,285 Speaker 1: And he reports that he pushed on where his attacker 492 00:28:41,485 --> 00:28:45,125 Speaker 1: was and felt something like soft, like a coat, and 493 00:28:45,165 --> 00:28:48,605 Speaker 1: then they got scared right away because nothing was there obviously, 494 00:28:49,325 --> 00:28:54,885 Speaker 1: which actually does sound like a real ghost incident. But yeah, anyway, anyway, 495 00:28:55,165 --> 00:28:57,885 Speaker 1: so people were frightened that they were a little scared, 496 00:28:57,925 --> 00:29:01,685 Speaker 1: a little hysteric or desperate, as Gabby would say, like 497 00:29:01,805 --> 00:29:04,605 Speaker 1: with the other guy who was desperate, and the ghost 498 00:29:04,645 --> 00:29:06,965 Speaker 1: was just taking it to all on the town. And 499 00:29:07,165 --> 00:29:11,005 Speaker 1: Francis Smith, who was a customs officer, he was one 500 00:29:11,045 --> 00:29:13,525 Speaker 1: of the many men who were patrolling the community at 501 00:29:13,525 --> 00:29:16,285 Speaker 1: the time to catch the ghost. He was over. It 502 00:29:16,925 --> 00:29:21,165 Speaker 1: was like literally the original Ghostbuster. I mean, yeah, exactly. 503 00:29:21,485 --> 00:29:23,525 Speaker 1: They were like over and done with it. They were like, 504 00:29:23,525 --> 00:29:26,845 Speaker 1: this ghost has taken too much. We can't do it anymore. 505 00:29:27,045 --> 00:29:30,085 Speaker 1: And so he was out one night patrolling with his 506 00:29:30,205 --> 00:29:32,525 Speaker 1: friend and he was like, I'm gonna go to the 507 00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:35,245 Speaker 1: street over there. His friend was like, okay, I'll meet 508 00:29:35,285 --> 00:29:38,765 Speaker 1: you there at eleven. They're like okay. So he spotted 509 00:29:38,805 --> 00:29:42,405 Speaker 1: a white figure at around about to be eleven PM, 510 00:29:42,885 --> 00:29:46,645 Speaker 1: and the he like shouted, damn you, who are you? 511 00:29:46,765 --> 00:29:51,245 Speaker 1: And what are you? Damn you? I'll shoot you. Oh 512 00:29:51,245 --> 00:29:55,485 Speaker 1: scary to the ghost, And so he did. He shot 513 00:29:55,525 --> 00:29:58,525 Speaker 1: the separation. But the ghost is like in the left 514 00:29:58,565 --> 00:30:02,005 Speaker 1: lower jaw. Yeah. But it wasn't a ghost, is the thing? 515 00:30:02,245 --> 00:30:07,565 Speaker 1: Oh No, it was an innocent bricklayer named Thomas Millwood 516 00:30:07,885 --> 00:30:10,565 Speaker 1: who was simply dressed in his work outfit, which was 517 00:30:10,605 --> 00:30:14,285 Speaker 1: basically all white linen's like a white white apron, white 518 00:30:14,325 --> 00:30:18,805 Speaker 1: linen pants, like white, just white everything. And so Francis 519 00:30:18,885 --> 00:30:21,965 Speaker 1: Smith thought he was the ghost. It just shot him 520 00:30:22,045 --> 00:30:25,925 Speaker 1: immediately before even letting him like say anything, which is 521 00:30:25,965 --> 00:30:29,685 Speaker 1: bad before like following up like follow, hey are you 522 00:30:29,725 --> 00:30:33,165 Speaker 1: a ghost? You always got to ask first, literally, It's true. 523 00:30:33,205 --> 00:30:34,645 Speaker 1: You gotta ask you how to check in, you know, 524 00:30:34,805 --> 00:30:38,645 Speaker 1: consent to be yeah, be like hey, I doesneys know 525 00:30:38,845 --> 00:30:41,445 Speaker 1: if you're a ghost so that that I can shoot you? Well, 526 00:30:41,485 --> 00:30:43,405 Speaker 1: in my brain too. It's like, what would make you 527 00:30:43,485 --> 00:30:46,445 Speaker 1: think that a gun would kill a ghost? That's where 528 00:30:46,485 --> 00:30:52,405 Speaker 1: I'm just dead. But I think this was a minor 529 00:30:52,485 --> 00:30:54,525 Speaker 1: dumb and I think this is just like they were. 530 00:30:54,805 --> 00:30:56,965 Speaker 1: He was really desperate, and I think he just wanted 531 00:30:56,965 --> 00:30:59,925 Speaker 1: to be like the hero. You know. He was all rambo, 532 00:31:00,005 --> 00:31:02,045 Speaker 1: like I'm here to go kill the ghost tonight. And 533 00:31:02,085 --> 00:31:04,805 Speaker 1: it's like, well, you shot a person, can don't kill 534 00:31:04,805 --> 00:31:09,565 Speaker 1: a ghost. The ghost is already dead, guys, exactly. You 535 00:31:09,645 --> 00:31:12,525 Speaker 1: can pin them down though, you know, so they can't 536 00:31:12,525 --> 00:31:16,285 Speaker 1: get loose. No, you can't do that either. They're they're clear. 537 00:31:17,085 --> 00:31:19,725 Speaker 1: He might have a special gun or a special bow 538 00:31:19,805 --> 00:31:23,685 Speaker 1: and arrow or something, you know that a curse. Did 539 00:31:23,685 --> 00:31:26,245 Speaker 1: they have a curse that they could throw at the ghosts? Well, 540 00:31:26,245 --> 00:31:28,805 Speaker 1: he was very ill prepared. He really just thought a 541 00:31:28,845 --> 00:31:33,445 Speaker 1: gunshot would stop the ghost. Now they don't have bricks anymore. 542 00:31:33,605 --> 00:31:38,925 Speaker 1: He's like bricks anymore. I am man with gun. That's it, okay. 543 00:31:39,085 --> 00:31:42,485 Speaker 1: So it was bad and upon hearing the gunshot, Smith's 544 00:31:42,485 --> 00:31:45,845 Speaker 1: patrol partner and three other men ran up to the 545 00:31:45,885 --> 00:31:48,005 Speaker 1: scene of the crime and saw the dead body, and 546 00:31:48,045 --> 00:31:50,285 Speaker 1: his friend was like, go run while you can, and 547 00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:53,325 Speaker 1: Smith was like, no, I didn't do anything wrong, huh. 548 00:31:53,365 --> 00:31:58,085 Speaker 1: And so a constable arrested Smith, and Smith was relatively 549 00:31:58,085 --> 00:32:00,845 Speaker 1: compliant and went with him. Um, it's a super tragic 550 00:32:00,845 --> 00:32:04,285 Speaker 1: story because obviously someone innocent died, and it only gets 551 00:32:04,365 --> 00:32:08,645 Speaker 1: kind of weirder because the local courts didn't really know 552 00:32:08,725 --> 00:32:12,925 Speaker 1: what to do with him. Um. Smith pled not guilty, 553 00:32:13,045 --> 00:32:16,245 Speaker 1: and his argument was that he was convinced it was 554 00:32:16,325 --> 00:32:21,725 Speaker 1: the ghost, which makes sense, I guess. And actually Millwood's wife, 555 00:32:21,885 --> 00:32:24,805 Speaker 1: melodism And, who died, stated that she had asked her 556 00:32:24,845 --> 00:32:27,405 Speaker 1: husband to begin wearing a coat over his work clothes 557 00:32:27,445 --> 00:32:30,525 Speaker 1: because he had already been mistaken for a ghost twice 558 00:32:30,685 --> 00:32:35,725 Speaker 1: prior to the murder. That's sad. Also sad, why was 559 00:32:36,285 --> 00:32:40,165 Speaker 1: people be laying bricks at like midnight? Oh he was leaving. Um, 560 00:32:40,245 --> 00:32:43,125 Speaker 1: he was leaving his sister's house. Okay. Yeah, he was 561 00:32:43,165 --> 00:32:46,565 Speaker 1: saying he still wearing his outfit. Yeah yeah, I mean 562 00:32:46,605 --> 00:32:49,005 Speaker 1: this is a classic you know, like what was he 563 00:32:49,085 --> 00:32:55,805 Speaker 1: wearing situation? He was asking for it? Oh my god, guys, 564 00:32:56,085 --> 00:32:58,565 Speaker 1: I mean I guess. So she was like, you should 565 00:32:58,565 --> 00:33:01,525 Speaker 1: have worn a coat. Okay. Oh. Smith also tried to 566 00:33:01,565 --> 00:33:06,245 Speaker 1: say it was self defense, but Millwood had never attacked Smith. 567 00:33:06,325 --> 00:33:09,525 Speaker 1: He literally only stood there. And in fact, Millwood's sister 568 00:33:09,765 --> 00:33:13,005 Speaker 1: reported that it was just a few feet away from 569 00:33:13,005 --> 00:33:15,205 Speaker 1: her house when she had said goodbye to her brother 570 00:33:15,685 --> 00:33:19,325 Speaker 1: and she heard the words like that. For instance, Smith 571 00:33:19,365 --> 00:33:22,005 Speaker 1: said basically as he was shooting the gun, So you 572 00:33:22,005 --> 00:33:24,205 Speaker 1: can't even say it was like self defense or that 573 00:33:24,245 --> 00:33:26,565 Speaker 1: he gave Millwood warning because he didn't. He just like 574 00:33:27,565 --> 00:33:30,845 Speaker 1: got scared and shot. Basically, I do not like this man, 575 00:33:31,445 --> 00:33:35,485 Speaker 1: I know. So that was his argument. But killing someone 576 00:33:35,725 --> 00:33:39,005 Speaker 1: is killing someone, and the judge stated that even if 577 00:33:39,405 --> 00:33:42,325 Speaker 1: Smith had found someone dressing up as a ghost, it's 578 00:33:42,365 --> 00:33:45,445 Speaker 1: really just a misdemeanor and not acceptable to murder someone. 579 00:33:45,485 --> 00:33:49,725 Speaker 1: For obviously this is not acceptable to murder people. Okay, yeah, 580 00:33:49,765 --> 00:33:52,325 Speaker 1: And Millwood had done nothing to deserve being shot at. 581 00:33:52,485 --> 00:33:55,885 Speaker 1: He it was not self defense. And I mean, like 582 00:33:56,445 --> 00:34:00,845 Speaker 1: there is no legal he Smith had no legal right 583 00:34:00,925 --> 00:34:04,205 Speaker 1: to fire the gun at anyone ghost or not. You know, 584 00:34:04,445 --> 00:34:06,565 Speaker 1: like that was just he was not his legal rights 585 00:34:06,685 --> 00:34:12,445 Speaker 1: because nothing was happening. It's a risk also to shoot 586 00:34:12,485 --> 00:34:17,445 Speaker 1: someone because then you'll have more ghosts. That it is true. 587 00:34:17,765 --> 00:34:21,805 Speaker 1: That is true. So the court found him guilty and 588 00:34:22,045 --> 00:34:28,165 Speaker 1: sentenced him to hanging and dissection. Oh yeah, but the 589 00:34:28,405 --> 00:34:34,165 Speaker 1: case caused a lot of controversy on every angle. Some 590 00:34:34,205 --> 00:34:38,085 Speaker 1: people were a pro Smith, others were like, no, what 591 00:34:38,205 --> 00:34:40,565 Speaker 1: he did was wrong. They were really sad about Millwood. 592 00:34:40,605 --> 00:34:44,925 Speaker 1: Obviously the ghost was still terrorizing people, which is just crazy. 593 00:34:45,365 --> 00:34:48,365 Speaker 1: So the judge sent the case to the king and 594 00:34:48,405 --> 00:34:52,165 Speaker 1: then Smith actually ended up getting a pardon. His sentence 595 00:34:52,205 --> 00:34:57,645 Speaker 1: went from death to just one year in prison. Okay wow. Yeah. Also, 596 00:34:57,965 --> 00:35:01,205 Speaker 1: the real Hammersmith ghost came forward. It turns out that 597 00:35:01,285 --> 00:35:04,165 Speaker 1: he was an elderly shoemaker who was dressing up and 598 00:35:04,245 --> 00:35:08,525 Speaker 1: scaring townspeople to take revenge on his apprentice because his 599 00:35:08,565 --> 00:35:12,765 Speaker 1: apprentice had scared the shoemaker's children with scary ghost stories. Wait, 600 00:35:12,805 --> 00:35:15,165 Speaker 1: it was a real person. That was just yeah, that 601 00:35:15,245 --> 00:35:19,645 Speaker 1: was dressing He was literally going boo yes and scaring people. 602 00:35:20,005 --> 00:35:22,565 Speaker 1: But then there's the pregnant lady who died. So did 603 00:35:22,565 --> 00:35:25,885 Speaker 1: he get accused of it? Like, what's up with Ironically, 604 00:35:26,045 --> 00:35:29,725 Speaker 1: he received no punishment, like they were like, oh, okay, 605 00:35:29,805 --> 00:35:32,925 Speaker 1: you were dressing up. Okay, that's like oh yeah, it's 606 00:35:32,965 --> 00:35:35,205 Speaker 1: like you were just like really good at being a ghost, 607 00:35:35,245 --> 00:35:37,565 Speaker 1: Like good job. Just give him an Academy Award and 608 00:35:37,645 --> 00:35:42,165 Speaker 1: stad I mean kind of basically. I still think that 609 00:35:42,165 --> 00:35:45,045 Speaker 1: there must have been other like the guy saying that 610 00:35:45,045 --> 00:35:47,965 Speaker 1: he didn't see anything when he turned around and pushed 611 00:35:48,005 --> 00:35:51,045 Speaker 1: against someone and he felt something was like, oh, that 612 00:35:51,125 --> 00:35:55,685 Speaker 1: was probably not the elderly shoemaker, but the prankster who 613 00:35:55,765 --> 00:35:59,045 Speaker 1: was just scaring people to shock and to death was 614 00:35:59,085 --> 00:36:03,325 Speaker 1: in fact some weird old guy who for some reason 615 00:36:03,405 --> 00:36:07,005 Speaker 1: thought this was the way to take stress and revenge out. 616 00:36:07,045 --> 00:36:12,605 Speaker 1: I guess, Okay, people back then be weird. Yeah, I 617 00:36:12,605 --> 00:36:15,365 Speaker 1: mean there also might have been some copycat ghost, you know, 618 00:36:15,645 --> 00:36:17,245 Speaker 1: some other people being like I'm going to be a 619 00:36:17,285 --> 00:36:25,245 Speaker 1: ghost too, little tricksters, the tricksters or treaters. Yeah, we're 620 00:36:25,245 --> 00:36:28,885 Speaker 1: gonna treat you with a scare. We're gonna treat yeah exactly, 621 00:36:29,085 --> 00:36:33,525 Speaker 1: and then treat you with an accidental homicide. Yeah, okay, 622 00:36:33,605 --> 00:36:37,045 Speaker 1: that's a treat. Yeah, that's a real treat. And then 623 00:36:37,165 --> 00:36:40,285 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you're going to be a vampire or 624 00:36:40,325 --> 00:36:45,965 Speaker 1: a ghost anyway, Okay, great, let's take a break. Welcome 625 00:36:46,005 --> 00:36:49,525 Speaker 1: back all you could have propalse I am. When I 626 00:36:49,605 --> 00:36:53,405 Speaker 1: started doing my research, I found this weird thing where 627 00:36:53,725 --> 00:36:58,605 Speaker 1: it was called ghost singles. Dot com and it is 628 00:36:58,645 --> 00:37:03,885 Speaker 1: a dating site for ghosts ghostly singles where you like 629 00:37:03,925 --> 00:37:05,805 Speaker 1: fill out this profile and you can chat with like 630 00:37:05,965 --> 00:37:08,565 Speaker 1: people and like you have like you say, like male 631 00:37:08,645 --> 00:37:12,485 Speaker 1: ghost speaking female female ghost or whatever. You can pick 632 00:37:12,525 --> 00:37:15,285 Speaker 1: your age range, you know, it can be like eighteen 633 00:37:15,365 --> 00:37:18,925 Speaker 1: to like one hundred, two hundred, three hundred whatever. You 634 00:37:18,965 --> 00:37:23,445 Speaker 1: can pick the kind of like death that they had, peaceful, crazy, 635 00:37:23,485 --> 00:37:27,645 Speaker 1: like morbid whatever. Anyway, I thought this was going to 636 00:37:27,765 --> 00:37:30,125 Speaker 1: be like really exciting to tell you all, but really 637 00:37:30,405 --> 00:37:32,125 Speaker 1: it wasn't because like I tried to fill out a 638 00:37:32,165 --> 00:37:34,005 Speaker 1: profile and then it was like you're a human, and 639 00:37:34,045 --> 00:37:36,645 Speaker 1: then it gave me this like other dating site. So 640 00:37:36,685 --> 00:37:38,405 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, why did it think you were 641 00:37:38,405 --> 00:37:40,965 Speaker 1: a human? Because I am a human. Anybody that can 642 00:37:41,005 --> 00:37:42,725 Speaker 1: feel that out it would be human. So that was 643 00:37:42,765 --> 00:37:46,405 Speaker 1: really stupid, and I got bamboozled, and you got banned 644 00:37:46,405 --> 00:37:50,165 Speaker 1: from the ghosts dating site also, Taylor, Yeah, Taylor, you 645 00:37:50,205 --> 00:37:52,925 Speaker 1: can just tell us you're lonely. You don't have to 646 00:37:52,965 --> 00:37:57,565 Speaker 1: revert to these ghosts. I know, I know, I know, 647 00:37:57,765 --> 00:38:03,485 Speaker 1: but anyway, I just I'm back on the regular dating sites. Anyway. 648 00:38:03,605 --> 00:38:05,445 Speaker 1: So I was like all excited to tell you guys 649 00:38:05,605 --> 00:38:07,685 Speaker 1: about this, but then it kind of fizzied away. So 650 00:38:08,165 --> 00:38:12,525 Speaker 1: instead I'm going to tell you an actual, factual ghost 651 00:38:12,645 --> 00:38:19,845 Speaker 1: story that is about my life. Okay, Oh, we're gonna 652 00:38:19,925 --> 00:38:24,645 Speaker 1: hear some intimate details about day. I still am pretty 653 00:38:24,685 --> 00:38:28,605 Speaker 1: mad that they, like gate kept you from a ghost 654 00:38:28,725 --> 00:38:32,245 Speaker 1: dating website. I mean, okay, like they had like sample 655 00:38:32,365 --> 00:38:35,365 Speaker 1: profiles too that you could read. You should have talked 656 00:38:35,405 --> 00:38:38,565 Speaker 1: more Victorian or something. Yeah, sure I could have what up, 657 00:38:38,605 --> 00:38:42,125 Speaker 1: but I didn't. So anyway, but there are new ghosts, 658 00:38:42,205 --> 00:38:45,485 Speaker 1: you know, there are recent ghosts, like modern contemporary ghosts, 659 00:38:45,485 --> 00:38:48,485 Speaker 1: so they also maybe they're just being Yeah, I'm mad 660 00:38:48,485 --> 00:38:52,165 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, I know. I was like really excited 661 00:38:52,205 --> 00:38:55,085 Speaker 1: to like talk with other weirdouts or on this thing, 662 00:38:55,165 --> 00:38:58,325 Speaker 1: but it didn't work out. So anyway, a few years ago, 663 00:38:59,205 --> 00:39:01,525 Speaker 1: I was living in this apartment by myself and it 664 00:39:01,565 --> 00:39:03,885 Speaker 1: was really it was a good time. It was stop 665 00:39:03,925 --> 00:39:07,365 Speaker 1: bragging that you can live a Okay, Gabby, you live alone, 666 00:39:08,045 --> 00:39:10,805 Speaker 1: I know, but I'm old now. I was like twenty 667 00:39:10,925 --> 00:39:14,005 Speaker 1: nine when I lived there. Okay, anyway, twenty nine, you 668 00:39:14,045 --> 00:39:16,285 Speaker 1: were twenty nine only a couple of days ago, Gabby. 669 00:39:16,445 --> 00:39:19,245 Speaker 1: It's true. So I was living at this apartment. It 670 00:39:19,325 --> 00:39:21,885 Speaker 1: was a really cute apartment. It was an old apartment 671 00:39:21,925 --> 00:39:25,685 Speaker 1: built in the twenties. It had, you know, some plumbing issue. 672 00:39:25,725 --> 00:39:28,765 Speaker 1: They they had like all of the windows were like 673 00:39:28,805 --> 00:39:31,205 Speaker 1: painted shut. All of the like light switches, Like when 674 00:39:31,245 --> 00:39:33,205 Speaker 1: I first got there, I had to like hit them 675 00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:34,885 Speaker 1: really hard to like get them to flick on and 676 00:39:34,925 --> 00:39:37,445 Speaker 1: off because they just like painted over everything really thick, 677 00:39:37,525 --> 00:39:42,925 Speaker 1: you know. Helpful, Yeah, super nice and like my my, 678 00:39:43,085 --> 00:39:45,485 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a good time, but like it 679 00:39:45,525 --> 00:39:49,045 Speaker 1: was a hard time because they're also like the sink 680 00:39:49,285 --> 00:39:52,605 Speaker 1: was like just dripped and I didn't have a dishwasher 681 00:39:52,645 --> 00:39:54,165 Speaker 1: and so I would like have to wash my dishes 682 00:39:54,165 --> 00:39:58,605 Speaker 1: in the tub. It was a nightmare. But you know, 683 00:39:58,925 --> 00:40:03,965 Speaker 1: I it builds character. But what built more character was Gladys. 684 00:40:04,845 --> 00:40:08,005 Speaker 1: Who's gla. So Gladys was my ghost. I had a 685 00:40:08,005 --> 00:40:10,725 Speaker 1: ghost there. And let me just preface this by I'm 686 00:40:10,805 --> 00:40:14,565 Speaker 1: not I'm never really believed in ghosts necessarily, Like I 687 00:40:15,565 --> 00:40:18,325 Speaker 1: I don't know, I like never it had experienced it myself. 688 00:40:18,365 --> 00:40:20,085 Speaker 1: So I was just like whatever, I don't really believe 689 00:40:20,125 --> 00:40:21,885 Speaker 1: in ghosts, and I think that some people just make 690 00:40:21,885 --> 00:40:25,165 Speaker 1: stuff up anyway, So I'd like just be sitting there. 691 00:40:26,045 --> 00:40:29,245 Speaker 1: Note I didn't have air conditioning so or like central 692 00:40:29,285 --> 00:40:32,485 Speaker 1: heat or anything, so there was no drift or went 693 00:40:32,605 --> 00:40:35,485 Speaker 1: and all of the all of the windows were painted shut, 694 00:40:35,605 --> 00:40:39,365 Speaker 1: so like there was no airflow. This sounds like a 695 00:40:39,565 --> 00:40:42,765 Speaker 1: nightmare apartment. What do you mean the windows were painted shut? 696 00:40:42,925 --> 00:40:47,685 Speaker 1: You had no windows, Like you couldn't open a window. No. Wow, Yeah, 697 00:40:48,085 --> 00:40:50,485 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of where you are right now. There's 698 00:40:50,525 --> 00:40:57,525 Speaker 1: no air conditions. I started out the bottom of now 699 00:40:57,845 --> 00:41:04,045 Speaker 1: I met the lower middle. No, but anyway, so, um, 700 00:41:04,245 --> 00:41:06,285 Speaker 1: so I'd just be sitting there watching TV and in 701 00:41:06,285 --> 00:41:08,765 Speaker 1: my kitchen like I kept um, I kept my mail 702 00:41:08,805 --> 00:41:11,805 Speaker 1: on top of my refrigerator, and my mail would just 703 00:41:11,885 --> 00:41:15,285 Speaker 1: sometimes just go flying off the top of the refrigerator. 704 00:41:15,565 --> 00:41:17,365 Speaker 1: So there was like no draft. So like I had 705 00:41:17,365 --> 00:41:20,405 Speaker 1: to preface that there was no draft. So I was like, 706 00:41:20,605 --> 00:41:24,125 Speaker 1: that's weird and suspicious, but whatever. And that happened like 707 00:41:24,165 --> 00:41:26,965 Speaker 1: all of the time, and then you know, other things 708 00:41:27,005 --> 00:41:28,485 Speaker 1: kind of started to happen. I would kind of just 709 00:41:28,565 --> 00:41:31,565 Speaker 1: joke that I had a ghost because I was just like, yeah, 710 00:41:31,605 --> 00:41:34,325 Speaker 1: like that's the only thing that makes sense, right, And 711 00:41:34,405 --> 00:41:36,205 Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of funny. At first. I 712 00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:42,045 Speaker 1: was like so quirky and weird. So fun having a ghost. Yeah, 713 00:41:43,165 --> 00:41:45,885 Speaker 1: so like co tell my co workers and everything, and 714 00:41:45,925 --> 00:41:48,205 Speaker 1: like stuff just like I mean started falling, like cups 715 00:41:48,205 --> 00:41:50,165 Speaker 1: would fall off the tables, like I mean just stuff 716 00:41:50,245 --> 00:41:54,445 Speaker 1: was just like no, no, that's not it was that 717 00:41:54,645 --> 00:41:57,405 Speaker 1: and like it just kind of started to be on 718 00:41:57,485 --> 00:42:00,605 Speaker 1: the table, like in the middle of the table. It 719 00:42:01,205 --> 00:42:03,965 Speaker 1: all off. And then like my dog would also do 720 00:42:04,085 --> 00:42:06,845 Speaker 1: kind of weird things like looking in particular places, like 721 00:42:06,885 --> 00:42:09,565 Speaker 1: barking kind of randomly like whatever, thought nothing of it, 722 00:42:09,605 --> 00:42:14,925 Speaker 1: He's a dog. And then there was one night I 723 00:42:14,965 --> 00:42:16,845 Speaker 1: was like so tired. I think it was like a 724 00:42:16,885 --> 00:42:18,245 Speaker 1: long day, like I had a shoot it was a 725 00:42:18,245 --> 00:42:21,645 Speaker 1: shoot day. Um, so I was like I had worked 726 00:42:21,805 --> 00:42:23,565 Speaker 1: a lot of hours. It was really tired, and I 727 00:42:23,605 --> 00:42:25,765 Speaker 1: just like went straight to bed. I like didn't even 728 00:42:25,765 --> 00:42:29,685 Speaker 1: bother to take my contacts out, so tired. And while 729 00:42:29,725 --> 00:42:32,405 Speaker 1: I'm asleep, dead asleep, I just all of a sudden 730 00:42:32,445 --> 00:42:34,405 Speaker 1: just like wake up and like my eyes just open 731 00:42:34,765 --> 00:42:38,605 Speaker 1: and I see a figure and I'm like, oh good, 732 00:42:38,845 --> 00:42:42,165 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh what is that? And I'm like 733 00:42:42,245 --> 00:42:44,165 Speaker 1: I I can see because I have my contacts in 734 00:42:44,445 --> 00:42:46,365 Speaker 1: and I'm like that that is a figure and it 735 00:42:46,485 --> 00:42:49,365 Speaker 1: is like kind of hovering off the ground, like just 736 00:42:49,525 --> 00:42:51,445 Speaker 1: kind of like what you would have met, like dark 737 00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:56,365 Speaker 1: long hair like kind of wearing like a white cloak 738 00:42:56,405 --> 00:42:59,405 Speaker 1: if you not cloak, but like a gown if you will. 739 00:42:59,885 --> 00:43:03,245 Speaker 1: And she was just kind of like swaying side to side. 740 00:43:04,285 --> 00:43:07,965 Speaker 1: I can not were you not terrifying? I know, I 741 00:43:08,085 --> 00:43:10,525 Speaker 1: was like ghost or not real. I was like this 742 00:43:10,565 --> 00:43:13,005 Speaker 1: makes no sense. I was like, okay. It was like 743 00:43:13,285 --> 00:43:14,685 Speaker 1: in front of my dresser and I was like, okay, 744 00:43:14,725 --> 00:43:16,765 Speaker 1: what what did I put all my dresser that could 745 00:43:16,805 --> 00:43:18,405 Speaker 1: be making this? And I'm like, god, it's weird because 746 00:43:18,405 --> 00:43:20,205 Speaker 1: I have my context and like I can actually see 747 00:43:20,725 --> 00:43:23,325 Speaker 1: and so I was like, well, I just cleaned, so 748 00:43:23,405 --> 00:43:25,485 Speaker 1: there's really nothing there. And I was like I don't know, 749 00:43:25,605 --> 00:43:29,085 Speaker 1: like what what is it? Like, I couldn't. I couldn't 750 00:43:29,125 --> 00:43:32,445 Speaker 1: figure it out. So turn the light on and it 751 00:43:32,525 --> 00:43:34,605 Speaker 1: kind of it just like dissipates and I'm like, okay, 752 00:43:34,605 --> 00:43:36,485 Speaker 1: there's like nothing there, like I saw it before and 753 00:43:36,525 --> 00:43:38,845 Speaker 1: now it's not there. And then I was like, okay, 754 00:43:38,925 --> 00:43:40,725 Speaker 1: I'm just being crazy. There's something wrong with me. I'm 755 00:43:40,765 --> 00:43:45,125 Speaker 1: dreaming whatever. Turn the light back off and it comes 756 00:43:45,165 --> 00:43:47,525 Speaker 1: back and so I'm like, well, I guess I'm sleeping 757 00:43:47,525 --> 00:43:50,525 Speaker 1: with the lights on because that's just too scary. Didn't 758 00:43:50,565 --> 00:43:52,445 Speaker 1: sleep the rest of the night obviously, because I was 759 00:43:52,445 --> 00:43:56,205 Speaker 1: so scared, you know, telling everybody going to work, I'm like, y'all, 760 00:43:56,765 --> 00:43:58,085 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be lo lose, but I have a 761 00:43:58,125 --> 00:44:01,085 Speaker 1: scary ghost. How did you even function? I can't even 762 00:44:01,085 --> 00:44:03,805 Speaker 1: think of like making breakfast the next day, Like I 763 00:44:03,925 --> 00:44:06,845 Speaker 1: just it scares me too. It was pretty scary. So 764 00:44:07,205 --> 00:44:09,205 Speaker 1: I was just like whatever, like I had to have 765 00:44:09,245 --> 00:44:12,325 Speaker 1: been dreaming, but like it was real as all get out. 766 00:44:13,005 --> 00:44:16,405 Speaker 1: And so then like my co worker, you know, I 767 00:44:16,365 --> 00:44:18,925 Speaker 1: always told her about it, but she would watch my 768 00:44:18,965 --> 00:44:21,485 Speaker 1: dog at my apartment sometimes, and so there was one 769 00:44:21,525 --> 00:44:25,725 Speaker 1: time she was watching us and she was like, I 770 00:44:25,765 --> 00:44:27,845 Speaker 1: was just sitting there watching TV and her in the 771 00:44:27,925 --> 00:44:30,725 Speaker 1: cup went just flying, like she heard the sound of 772 00:44:30,765 --> 00:44:32,765 Speaker 1: it going from the middle of the table to like 773 00:44:33,325 --> 00:44:36,645 Speaker 1: sliding off, which it wasn't sliding because it had been 774 00:44:36,645 --> 00:44:40,085 Speaker 1: sitting there forever, and just went shooting off the table. 775 00:44:40,605 --> 00:44:42,845 Speaker 1: And she was like, oh my god, I'm experiencing this 776 00:44:42,965 --> 00:44:45,005 Speaker 1: ghost the Taylor's been telling you about. So she like 777 00:44:45,125 --> 00:44:47,845 Speaker 1: left the apartment. She took my dog and she stayed 778 00:44:47,885 --> 00:44:50,325 Speaker 1: somewhere else. She was like, yours apartment's too scary, and 779 00:44:50,405 --> 00:44:52,565 Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, yeah, that's glad as you know, 780 00:44:53,445 --> 00:44:56,925 Speaker 1: and so okay, So that happened. And then there was 781 00:44:56,965 --> 00:44:58,965 Speaker 1: a time where I kind of woke up in the 782 00:44:58,965 --> 00:45:02,685 Speaker 1: middle of the night and I heard this like electric sound, 783 00:45:03,045 --> 00:45:07,885 Speaker 1: electricity like snapping sound, and I look over like in 784 00:45:07,965 --> 00:45:10,405 Speaker 1: my slumber, thinking like it was my alarm, and I 785 00:45:10,485 --> 00:45:12,605 Speaker 1: look over to like go hit it, and it's like 786 00:45:12,645 --> 00:45:19,165 Speaker 1: this glowing blue orb and I'm like, that's really scary. 787 00:45:19,205 --> 00:45:22,685 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not I'm not touching that. I'm 788 00:45:22,725 --> 00:45:25,205 Speaker 1: not And I was like, so I would always like 789 00:45:25,245 --> 00:45:27,645 Speaker 1: text my dad and be like, Dad, Gladys is back, 790 00:45:28,085 --> 00:45:32,005 Speaker 1: you know. And then the last thing that I will say, wait, okay, 791 00:45:32,125 --> 00:45:34,685 Speaker 1: hold with the blue or yeah, so you just didn't 792 00:45:34,685 --> 00:45:36,645 Speaker 1: touch it and you fell back asleep. Now I didn't 793 00:45:36,645 --> 00:45:39,205 Speaker 1: fall back asleep. I was just awake. I was like, well, 794 00:45:39,205 --> 00:45:42,205 Speaker 1: I was really scary, Like my heart was pounding, racing, 795 00:45:42,285 --> 00:45:44,485 Speaker 1: like but when you turn the lights on, it was gone. 796 00:45:44,565 --> 00:45:46,005 Speaker 1: But it was light in my room because it was 797 00:45:46,045 --> 00:45:48,085 Speaker 1: like it was like early morning, so like my room 798 00:45:48,125 --> 00:45:51,325 Speaker 1: was relatively light, so it wasn't like pitch black. It 799 00:45:51,405 --> 00:45:53,365 Speaker 1: was like six am or something in the summer. It 800 00:45:53,485 --> 00:45:56,045 Speaker 1: just disappeared like when you saw it. Yeah, it like 801 00:45:56,205 --> 00:45:58,685 Speaker 1: it like snapped and then it was just like gone. 802 00:45:58,765 --> 00:46:02,525 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god's so weird. Oh 803 00:46:02,605 --> 00:46:06,445 Speaker 1: my gosh. And then the last thing happened that was 804 00:46:06,525 --> 00:46:09,885 Speaker 1: like the straw that broke the camel's back. Is that 805 00:46:10,005 --> 00:46:13,005 Speaker 1: the term is. I was laying in bed again asleep 806 00:46:13,085 --> 00:46:16,205 Speaker 1: early morning. It was always kind of like early morning 807 00:46:16,725 --> 00:46:20,525 Speaker 1: that it would happen, and the bottom part of my 808 00:46:20,565 --> 00:46:25,405 Speaker 1: mattress lifted up and dropped, and I was like I 809 00:46:25,525 --> 00:46:28,845 Speaker 1: felt it. I like experienced it. I like you know 810 00:46:28,885 --> 00:46:30,525 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like before it was all like these 811 00:46:30,605 --> 00:46:33,445 Speaker 1: visual things and like whatever, like didn't affect me in 812 00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:36,045 Speaker 1: any way, but like this, I felt it and it 813 00:46:36,165 --> 00:46:40,325 Speaker 1: was like an actual like the bottom part of the 814 00:46:40,325 --> 00:46:43,565 Speaker 1: mattress lifted up and then dropped, and I was like, okay, 815 00:46:43,645 --> 00:46:46,725 Speaker 1: I think it's time to move. And is that why 816 00:46:46,765 --> 00:46:51,245 Speaker 1: you moved? Yeah, Oh my gosh, Taylor. I was like, 817 00:46:51,285 --> 00:46:52,885 Speaker 1: this is too, I mean that, and like there were 818 00:46:52,885 --> 00:46:55,485 Speaker 1: a couple of other reasons, but how like the windows 819 00:46:55,485 --> 00:46:59,045 Speaker 1: were painted and there is no air conditioning. Yeah, and yeah, 820 00:46:59,125 --> 00:47:01,685 Speaker 1: and that makes sense too, and no way to like 821 00:47:01,725 --> 00:47:05,485 Speaker 1: wash my dishes besides my tub. That's another good reason. 822 00:47:06,245 --> 00:47:08,485 Speaker 1: And then that's when I was like, I need somebody 823 00:47:08,485 --> 00:47:10,005 Speaker 1: to live with me so that I can live in 824 00:47:10,045 --> 00:47:14,325 Speaker 1: better conditions. So so now my sister lives with me. 825 00:47:14,565 --> 00:47:16,885 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I don't believe in ghosts, but I 826 00:47:16,925 --> 00:47:20,005 Speaker 1: lived with one. And her name was Gladys. And you know, 827 00:47:20,325 --> 00:47:22,885 Speaker 1: she never like harmed me, but she did scare the 828 00:47:23,005 --> 00:47:26,365 Speaker 1: bit Jesus out of me. Wait, why was her name Gladys? 829 00:47:26,645 --> 00:47:30,365 Speaker 1: Oh that was just kind of a just to name. 830 00:47:30,525 --> 00:47:32,765 Speaker 1: Just seems like she looks like a Gladys to me 831 00:47:33,485 --> 00:47:38,805 Speaker 1: because we saw her. Wow. Well yeah, so okay, I'm 832 00:47:38,845 --> 00:47:42,645 Speaker 1: glad you're safe. I'm okay. And I did fear for 833 00:47:42,685 --> 00:47:45,085 Speaker 1: a while that she was going to travel with me, 834 00:47:46,205 --> 00:47:48,965 Speaker 1: but she did not. She It's taking everything to me 835 00:47:49,045 --> 00:47:51,565 Speaker 1: to not like go to my old apartment and be like, hey, 836 00:47:52,045 --> 00:47:56,125 Speaker 1: have you experienced some weird stuff? Like I want to 837 00:47:56,165 --> 00:47:58,205 Speaker 1: talk to the people that live there now. So that 838 00:47:58,365 --> 00:48:00,725 Speaker 1: is my you can you know, believe me or not whatever, 839 00:48:00,885 --> 00:48:02,805 Speaker 1: But it was a real thing that happened to me, 840 00:48:03,165 --> 00:48:05,645 Speaker 1: and really scary, So look out for all the those 841 00:48:05,685 --> 00:48:08,765 Speaker 1: ghosts out there. Look out for all those ghosts out listen. 842 00:48:09,085 --> 00:48:13,605 Speaker 1: I respect, I respect to them. I just want to 843 00:48:13,685 --> 00:48:15,885 Speaker 1: say like, I don't want I don't want any of that. 844 00:48:16,645 --> 00:48:20,885 Speaker 1: I'm just listening here as an observant listener. Okay, Yeah, 845 00:48:20,885 --> 00:48:23,445 Speaker 1: I just don't want to get in trouble. Yeah, So 846 00:48:23,605 --> 00:48:27,045 Speaker 1: look out for those ghosts and vampires, you guys. But 847 00:48:27,245 --> 00:48:32,525 Speaker 1: until then, we'll have another episode next week. 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