Speaker 1: To on the move, Dall and deep speedways past Hell.
Speaker 2: From the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex,
Speaker 2: this is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. Please God my hands
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? What is up? Dolphins? And welcome to
Speaker 2: the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host, Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 2: And on today's show, we welcome in an old friend
Speaker 2: of the program as Joe Marino helps us get ready
Speaker 2: for Dolphins and Bills. A little bit less luster going
Speaker 2: into this one, but we're gonna talk about it anyways.
Speaker 2: We'll also make the week nine picks and talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about the third year of Dolphins regimes and
Speaker 2: why does it always get this way? From the Baptist
Speaker 2: Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is
Speaker 2: the Draft Time Podcast. Heye Daffy to help us get
Speaker 2: to know our division rivals a little bit better ahead
Speaker 2: of Dolphins and Bills. Let's go ahead and welcome in
Speaker 2: the man who knows this team better than anybody else
Speaker 2: on the planet for my money, he is Joe Marino.
Speaker 2: You can find his work everywhere Locked on NFL Scouting,
Speaker 2: Lockdown Bills, the First Read Podcast. He also just launched
Speaker 2: his new Substack the Herd Mentality and Joe, it's eleven
Speaker 2: am here doing this podcast with you and this YouTube
Speaker 2: show with you. But I'm guessing you're probably about six
Speaker 2: hours or so into your workday, maybe a couple of
Speaker 2: prospects deep at this point.
Speaker 3: You know it, my guy, You know it. Hit the
Speaker 3: desk before five am and get to work. Man, when
Speaker 3: you got two kids, you gotta get a lot of
Speaker 3: work done while they're sleeping. And so I find that
Speaker 3: the farmers hours are undefeated.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: Man, no one's bothering you. Everyone's asleep, social media, nothing's happening.
Speaker 3: So you got to take advantage those early morning hours,
Speaker 3: my guy.
Speaker 2: That sounds kind of nice. I used to be a
Speaker 2: night owl. I would go up, my wife would go
Speaker 2: to bed. I'd go upstairs and do all my film
Speaker 2: work up there. So it's I guess one of the
Speaker 2: other yachts pick that they're early morning hours of late night.
Speaker 2: I'm a late night guy. We have an early morning
Speaker 2: guy with us here in Joe Marino. But let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and pivot into a football game. We've talked about
Speaker 2: so many times, you and I on this channel, on
Speaker 2: your channel, as you talk with my good friend Kyle
Speaker 2: Krabs as well. Obviously, I'm pretty sure that my first
Speaker 2: question could provide us with like five or six back
Speaker 2: and forth follow ups, So we'll just see how it
Speaker 2: goes from there. But I've done my best throughout the
Speaker 2: course of the offseason and of course the Week two
Speaker 2: game to explain Joe the difference in Ken Dorsey and
Speaker 2: going to Joe Brady, you know, over basically a year now,
Speaker 2: and I'm curious to hear from the expert. How would
Speaker 2: you explain the shift from like last November whatever it
Speaker 2: was when they made the switch from Dorsey as play
Speaker 2: caller to now Joe Brady.
Speaker 3: Wow, there's a lot we can get into there. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it's been a good move for the Bills offense, a
Speaker 3: lot more cohesive, performing a lot better. What really comes
Speaker 3: to mind two things here. I think Ken Dorsey is
Speaker 3: a very good play designer, and I think in some
Speaker 3: ways he's good play caller. But conceptually his offense puts
Speaker 3: a lot on everybody being on the same page. Everybody
Speaker 3: has to see it the exact same way, and there's
Speaker 3: answers built in if everyone knows what the defense is
Speaker 3: doing and what side adjustments to make. And I thought
Speaker 3: this led to a disjointed offense because Josh Allen might
Speaker 3: see it different than his receivers or the protection might
Speaker 3: see it a little bit differently, and if anybody's off,
Speaker 3: the whole offense kind of fails. And then certainly Josh
Speaker 3: Allen his physical upside, he can make something out of nothing,
Speaker 3: but it became that too often, where Joe Brady I think,
Speaker 3: has made things a little bit more simple. Now there's
Speaker 3: a lot of layers to the Bills offense, a lot
Speaker 3: of different ways that they can attack you, but I
Speaker 3: feel like it's.
Speaker 1: Become more.
Speaker 3: Just run the play, just run the play, as opposed to, okay,
Speaker 3: if they do this, then you do that. And I
Speaker 3: think that's led to a lot of success and simplifying things,
Speaker 3: but also the run game. And that's really probably been
Speaker 3: the biggest shift since Joe Brady took over, is this
Speaker 3: offense has been just as much about running the ball
Speaker 3: as it is throwing it.
Speaker 1: With Josh Allen and James Cook.
Speaker 3: Has really emerged, the Bills have morphed into this zone
Speaker 3: rushing scheme that is very cohesive with their blocking, and
Speaker 3: that's of course a benefit to your passing offense. So
Speaker 3: I think becoming a more simplified offense that doesn't put
Speaker 3: as much on side adjustments.
Speaker 1: And then also that ability.
Speaker 3: To run the football I think is unlocked a lot
Speaker 3: of layers for Buffalo offensively.
Speaker 2: Do you kind of feel like that better suits Allen's
Speaker 2: skill set too? Since he can be a guy that
Speaker 2: you know, we talk all the time about Tua and
Speaker 2: how great he is in the anticipatory aspect of the position,
Speaker 2: but Allen can really kind of like see it and
Speaker 2: then rip it because he's just got those you know,
Speaker 2: he's got the probably the biggest arm of the entire
Speaker 2: National Football League. Do you feel like it suits his
Speaker 2: skill set a little bit better?
Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Two is obviously an outstanding anticipatory player, and that's a
Speaker 3: credit to him and his pre snap reeds and his
Speaker 3: accuracy and timing and feel. But yeah, that's just not
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, right, Josh Allen's a much more visual player
Speaker 3: than Tua. And then of course you can lean into
Speaker 3: offscript stuff with Josh, and because he does have the
Speaker 3: physical upside that he does with arm talent, it's kind
Speaker 3: of just a little bit less required of him to
Speaker 3: be as anticipatory he could play a little bit more,
Speaker 3: you know, just instinctively, And I think that obviously works
Speaker 3: for Josh, just like the way that Tua plays works
Speaker 3: for him. But I do think some of the simplification
Speaker 3: of the offense certainly allows Josh to play more free. Right,
Speaker 3: I don't think you want a physical, physically talented guy
Speaker 3: like Josh thinking all that much. Just go play and
Speaker 3: even you could see, you know, Josh can certainly have
Speaker 3: his moments of high energy and things. Can can you know,
Speaker 3: teeter on reckless at times. It's certainly been a good
Speaker 3: year for that not being the case. But you can
Speaker 3: understand some of the thought process for Ken Dorsey and
Speaker 3: his defense to say, hey, let's just make this more
Speaker 3: about just read it, you know, read out these progressions and.
Speaker 1: Do what you're supposed to do with the ball.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think that kind of
Speaker 3: took away from what makes Josh Allen's better.
Speaker 2: You must be enjoying the fact that he just threw
Speaker 2: his first pick of the entire season and broke the
Speaker 2: Bills franchise record for most attempts between interceptions. After that
Speaker 2: was like the one knock people had in this guy, right,
Speaker 2: he threw too many picks. But you go back over
Speaker 2: all the great quarterbacks that have gaudy numbers, they have
Speaker 2: high pick numbers as well because they can just keep
Speaker 2: going after a defense and sometimes it gets it goes
Speaker 2: the other direction. But it would seem to me that
Speaker 2: the less site adjustments in the passing offense would lead
Speaker 2: to less I guess confusion and less turnovers. Right, So
Speaker 2: it sounds like that's kind of been a big factor
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's always a little luck with interceptions
Speaker 3: as well. And I think last year where Josh through
Speaker 3: eighteen interceptions, you know, the correlation between turnover worthy throws
Speaker 3: and percentage of throws that are interceptions was crazy. I
Speaker 3: mean pretty much at almost every interceptible pass that Josh
Speaker 3: Allen threw was intercepted, where he's been a lot more
Speaker 3: fortunate this year, where that's kind of you know, even
Speaker 3: Josh Allen. It was the Bills played the Jets on
Speaker 3: Monday Night Football and Troy Aikman was on the play
Speaker 3: by play, and Troy Aikman said during the production meetings
Speaker 3: for the broadcast, he talked to Josh Allen about, hey,
Speaker 3: you haven't thrown a pick this year. He goes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have, they just hadn't got it, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, that's that's just that's just how it goes.
Speaker 3: And it was three hundred and one attempts in a
Speaker 3: row before Josh throw a pick, and of course it's
Speaker 3: it's to Amari Cooper. He falls at the top of
Speaker 3: his route and it's a little quick pass and the
Speaker 3: DV was able to kind of take leverage and and
Speaker 3: intercept the pass. So it's it's been a nice it's
Speaker 3: been nice not having to go on shows just like
Speaker 3: this and explain to people about interceptions as I think,
Speaker 3: you know, you know how this goes. Man, it feels
Speaker 3: like any quarterback unless you win like three Super Bowls
Speaker 3: in five years or like seven overall, it's just this
Speaker 3: entire contest of trying to nitpick and diminish and make
Speaker 3: it like they're not that good. And that's been the
Speaker 3: thing with Josh Allen and that Look, I know, we
Speaker 3: all get any You could apply that to any quarterback
Speaker 3: and and everyone will find their you know, their holes
Speaker 3: to poke, because nobody wants anybody's quarterback to be good
Speaker 3: beside themselves, right, So you know how this goes. It's
Speaker 3: like a contest but yeah, the interceptions in turnovers have
Speaker 3: been good. The Bills have only turned the ball over
Speaker 3: three times all season long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Dolphins fans know that as well
Speaker 2: as anybody does. Joe with the quarterback nitpicking.
Speaker 1: And I knew what I was saying that I knew
Speaker 1: what I was doing.
Speaker 2: I knew that you knew, But I just it's funny
Speaker 2: because like you get these varied box scores to tell
Speaker 2: different stories, but at the end of the day, these
Speaker 2: guys are the same players for the most part, and
Speaker 2: they have their ups and downs in this position that
Speaker 2: does come with some ebbs and flows, and so I
Speaker 2: think that it's important to always remember what guys you know,
Speaker 2: have what skills. And you can see which quarterbacks move
Speaker 2: the needle, and both the quarterbacks in this game are
Speaker 2: those guys. I have one more question about this game
Speaker 2: on offense for you before we go to the Bills defense.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: You know, Stefan Diggs exits stage left this offseason. The
Speaker 2: Bills receiving corps going into the year is probably the
Speaker 2: big question mark, and everyone's wondering can they find that
Speaker 2: same level of efficiency in the passing game. Well, it
Speaker 2: kind of sounds like they have, and maybe the lack
Speaker 2: of you know, different page and the being on different pages,
Speaker 2: I should say for the site adjustment level offense, maybe
Speaker 2: that Diggs's lack of involvement that way is a part
Speaker 2: of that. But I'm curious what you think has happened.
Speaker 2: Was it auditioned by subtraction or has it just been
Speaker 2: they found other weapons? Like why is it still working?
Speaker 2: Sands one of the best receivers of the last five years.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: And one thing that I've made a point of not
Speaker 3: doing is I'm not going to sit and speak badly
Speaker 3: about Stefan Diggs. He gave the Buffalo Bills the greatest
Speaker 3: four year stretch of receiving production they've ever seen, right,
Speaker 3: and that includes some great players along the years like
Speaker 3: an Andre Reid or James Lofton or Eric Moles, Stevie Johnson.
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of good receivers and none of
Speaker 3: them have done what Digs did across four seasons. I
Speaker 3: will say, though, one of the fascinating layers for me
Speaker 3: in this team, the Bills team this year was how
Speaker 3: does Josh Allen execute and function absent of being mindful
Speaker 3: of Stefan Diggs and you know, you got a funnel
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty targets a
Speaker 3: year towards him. And does Josh Allen play differently? Does
Speaker 3: he read progressions? Are his eyes in different places without
Speaker 3: that burden? Right? I use that word kind of loosely,
Speaker 3: but I think it's more than that. I think it's
Speaker 3: also the Gabe Davis factor. And I think Gabe Davis
Speaker 3: the Bills tried, I felt for like two years to
Speaker 3: validate this guy as a legitimate number two wide receiver
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and I just don't think that's him.
Speaker 3: I think he's too limited of a player for him
Speaker 3: to be a prioritize guy, to really prioritize within the
Speaker 3: regular structure of your offense. So I think it's just
Speaker 3: two things in terms of Okay, Diggs is great, but
Speaker 3: he also commands a lot of attention from the quarterback, right,
Speaker 3: I know he commands attention from the defense, but from
Speaker 3: the quarterback. But then also this Davis factor of you know,
Speaker 3: a really limited player that ever since that thirteen seconds
Speaker 3: lost to Kansas City where he scored four touchdowns, it's
Speaker 3: been like, oh yeah, he's a number two well, I
Speaker 3: don't really think so.
Speaker 1: So those two things being lifted, I think is.
Speaker 3: Almost given Josh just the freedom to play, just just
Speaker 3: go to the right place with the ball. And the
Speaker 3: Bills now have this established top four of of pass
Speaker 3: catchers in Keon Coleman, a rookie who's playing extremely well,
Speaker 3: Kalula Shakira is like an ever efficient slot player, dal
Speaker 3: Kin Kaid receiving talent at tight end, and now the
Speaker 3: addition to Mary Cooper, not to mention James Cook and
Speaker 3: Dawson Knox and Curtis Samuel. Right, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: depth to what this team can do, and I think
Speaker 3: the fact that there's not Hey, this guy has to
Speaker 3: get his I think it's unlocked a lot of freedom
Speaker 3: for Josh Allen to execute and make good decisions. And
Speaker 3: obviously the production and efficiency's been outstanding.
Speaker 2: My guest today Jill Marino, locked on Bill's podcast. We're
Speaker 2: going to take a quick break right here, come back
Speaker 2: on the other side and talk about the Bills defense
Speaker 2: against Tua and the Dolphins offense on the Draft Time podcast.
Speaker 2: Your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation.
Speaker 2: Picking me back up here with my guest today, Jill
Speaker 2: Marino locked on Bill's podcast, providing great information for us
Speaker 2: ahead of Dolphins and Bill's Sunday from the Ralph. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's no new era stadium now right.
Speaker 1: No, you got a lot of street cred right there.
Speaker 3: If Bill's Mafia listens to this and you called it
Speaker 3: the Ralph, that's going to go a long way and
Speaker 3: then liking you well done.
Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up with it being the Ralph,
Speaker 2: so Orchard Park, all those other names compared to what
Speaker 2: it actually is. But it's a new note. What is it?
Speaker 2: Hi Mark Stadium?
Speaker 1: Right, Hi Mark Stadium?
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: They make good money for us to say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, might have to cut that out. But I want
Speaker 2: to talk about this matchup on the other side because
Speaker 2: and you know, we were talking about this and our
Speaker 2: content meetings here, like why it does it not matter
Speaker 2: who the Bills have defensively and they just continue to produce.
Speaker 2: It seems like because you lose so much personnel in particular,
Speaker 2: like guys that were stalwarts for a decade and you
Speaker 2: know who they are, hide poor your white you know,
Speaker 2: Milanos down, but they just keep on producing. What would
Speaker 2: you say is about this defense that allows them to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: I think they just have a good scheme and there's
Speaker 3: nothing super complicated about it. It's just a very disciplined
Speaker 3: operation and it puts a lot of stress on offenses
Speaker 3: to execute play after play after play after play if
Speaker 3: you're going to score. The Bills really don't give up
Speaker 3: explosive plays, and because of that, they're going to dare
Speaker 3: you to say, hey, if you can execute ten to eleven,
Speaker 3: twelve plays in a row and not make a mistake, okay,
Speaker 3: you can have a chance to score. But the Bills
Speaker 3: are reliant on two things. Taking away explosive plays in
Speaker 3: the passing game with how they have their covered shelves,
Speaker 3: but then they also want to get negative plays with
Speaker 3: kind of an up the field style with their defensive front,
Speaker 3: and they just they bank on at some point, you're
Speaker 3: gonna get behind the sticks or you're gonna have a
Speaker 3: negative play a penalty, and if it gets to second
Speaker 3: and fifteen or third and eleven, and more times than not,
Speaker 3: the Bills kind of find themselves in that spot so
Speaker 3: we can get off the field. That's kind of the mindset,
Speaker 3: and that's allowed them to be interchangeable with a lot
Speaker 3: of personnel throughout the years, and they still have talented players,
Speaker 3: Like I think that's definitely part of the mix. But
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of intentionality with developing players. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Bills did lose a lot of good stalwarts in
Speaker 3: a ploy or a high to Tredevious White. They have
Speaker 3: not had Matt Malano this year, but they've had players
Speaker 3: that they've been developing for a number of years to
Speaker 3: like step into those opportunities and they've been ready for
Speaker 3: those moments. So I think it's a sound scheme, but
Speaker 3: also player development, and that's I mean, that's Sean mcdermot's
Speaker 3: bread and butter, right he's the head coach of the
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills because of the defense that he ran with
Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers, and so it's been it's been good
Speaker 3: to see that be tried and true through a lot
Speaker 3: of different personnel and a lot of different coaches around
Speaker 3: him to maintain that as a as a core piece
Speaker 3: of what makes the Bills a good football team.
Speaker 2: And in that process, like you mentioned development, there's some
Speaker 2: players I think maybe Dolphins fans aren't super privy to
Speaker 2: in terms of how good they've been. Like a Christian Benford,
Speaker 2: for instance, comes to mind as a guy that in
Speaker 2: the same year you took a cornerback in the first round,
Speaker 2: he winds up being the guy from that class that
Speaker 2: makes a bigger impact. Give us a couple of guys
Speaker 2: and maybe we haven't heard of as Dolphins fans. We
Speaker 2: like at Oliver, We know about Dake one Jones, you
Speaker 2: know about Greg Russau. Who are some guys in that
Speaker 2: defense that maybe we haven't talked about A whole bunch
Speaker 2: that are making a big impact right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned the most important one, Christian Benford, who's
Speaker 3: really just developed into an outstanding corner. He takes away
Speaker 3: the football, he tackles extremely well, and he's just very
Speaker 3: technically sound. As a six round pick from Villanova beating
Speaker 3: out as a rookie the first rounder kyrielm out of Florida,
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, what is this? And it's not that kyri
Speaker 3: Eland hasn't played well. He has played well when he's
Speaker 3: had chances. Benford's better and he's been really outstanding, as
Speaker 3: you know, as an up and coming player that I
Speaker 3: think is probably playing, you know, as higher level at
Speaker 3: the position as you.
Speaker 1: Can find across the league. This year.
Speaker 3: Terrell Bernard. That linebacker is another big one. The Bills
Speaker 3: only have two team captains, Josh Allen and Terrell Bernard,
Speaker 3: and we'll see about his availability for Sunday. He missed
Speaker 3: last week with an ankle. But he is like an
Speaker 3: impact playmaker, makes a lot of plays and coverage. I
Speaker 3: think that's really where he's outstanding. He can get downhill
Speaker 3: and shoot gaps and make tackles, has a lot of range,
Speaker 3: but his feel for zone defense and what's happening behind
Speaker 3: him to be able to read the backfield and just
Speaker 3: navigate and work into throwing lanes.
Speaker 1: He just does that at such a high level. He's outstanding.
Speaker 3: And then I think Taylor Rapp is kind of the
Speaker 3: unsung hero of this defense, one of the guys that
Speaker 3: is stepping in for the tandem of you're in hide.
Speaker 3: You know, just there's a communication piece to playing defense
Speaker 3: at a high level, and rap is that guy in
Speaker 3: the in the back end that's been able to kind
Speaker 3: of step in and provide that leadership and you know,
Speaker 3: make some physical tackles that have taken points off the board.
Speaker 3: But just everyone being lined up and and being on
Speaker 3: the same page is such an important part of defense,
Speaker 3: and I think Taylor Rap has been an unsung hero
Speaker 3: in that capacity for the Bills. Epiness is playing well
Speaker 3: up front.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's not like I'm not sitting here talking about
Speaker 3: Nick Bosa and TJ. Watt and Fred Warner and Patrick
Speaker 3: certain right, that's not this, But it's a lot of
Speaker 3: guys that fit the system, that play well together, that communicate,
Speaker 3: and you know they're not without flaw, but they've really
Speaker 3: kind of come together and it feels like they're kind
Speaker 3: of hitting their stride.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the answer because I feel like so many
Speaker 2: times that when you get discussions and social discourse, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what does it say on paper? And that's how that's
Speaker 2: just how it goes. But there's a lot more of
Speaker 2: football teams what it looks like on paper, and the
Speaker 2: Bills certainly have figured that out in a big way
Speaker 2: with their continuity in the both the coaching staff and
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position offensive and defensively. There a couple
Speaker 2: more questions for you here, Joe. I assume you've seen
Speaker 2: the Dolphins and Cardinals taper at least some parts of
Speaker 2: it at this point. You know, the offense in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways picked it back up when it was
Speaker 2: pre prior to Toa's injury. I'm curious to get the
Speaker 2: opponent's perspective on how this offense challenges a Buffalo Bills
Speaker 2: defense and where it makes you worry the.
Speaker 3: Most, Tyreek killing Jalen Woll Come on, man, nobody wants
Speaker 3: to deal with those guys.
Speaker 1: You know, even it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Just you can be right on defense with your alignment
Speaker 3: and your technique, but you give those guys an inch
Speaker 3: and they can create an explosive play. And so those
Speaker 3: guys certainly present a lot of challenges. But I think
Speaker 3: this Miami rushing offense might be as good as I've
Speaker 3: seen it in a long time. And I think it's
Speaker 3: it's the combination of what they can do running the
Speaker 3: football with a deep group of backs. I think the
Speaker 3: run blocking has been really good. For as much criticism
Speaker 3: as the offensive line gets, I don't think they have
Speaker 3: any issues with the run blocking and a Chan and
Speaker 3: Mostert and now Jalen Wright as he potentially gets more
Speaker 3: and more opportunity. There's just a lot of depth to
Speaker 3: that that backfield with a good run scheme, and so
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's explosive playmakers in the passing game, and
Speaker 3: it's a it's a rushing offense, and I think is
Speaker 3: I mean really it's played its best recently and so
Speaker 3: it just feels like if that all comes together, I mean,
Speaker 3: this offense can remind us of everything that it was
Speaker 3: last year. And there's a number two scoring offense in
Speaker 3: the NFL. So the Dolphins, I know that this season
Speaker 3: hasn't gone the way that expected. Obviously Toua's injury plays
Speaker 3: into that, but it's a it's a potent team on
Speaker 3: offense that you know, even even if metrically they haven't,
Speaker 3: they're not what they've been, which is obviously rooted in
Speaker 3: the starting quarterback being out.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to deal with these playmakers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we saw that in the game against
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Just eight possessions with a score of five
Speaker 2: of them, and we're very close to making it four touchdowns.
Speaker 2: One of those five drives as well, with a drive
Speaker 2: deep into the red zone into the end of the
Speaker 2: midbred zone really before the end of the first half.
Speaker 2: There last question for you here is the exact same
Speaker 2: one on the defensive side with coach Anthony Weaver. It
Speaker 2: was really going well until the Cardinals game. The Cardinals
Speaker 2: kind of figured it out in the second half of
Speaker 2: that game with four drives of their own the score
Speaker 2: points in the second half of that game. But curious
Speaker 2: what your take, because Joe we talked to a lot
Speaker 2: of like beat riders that cover one team. You know
Speaker 2: so much about the entire league that I want to
Speaker 2: just get these questions for you here. What have you
Speaker 2: made of Anthony weavers scheme so far his first year
Speaker 2: with the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3: Seems like there's so much multiplicity to it, right. I
Speaker 3: feel like that's what's challenging about what coach Weavers putting
Speaker 3: out on tape is that, Yeah, they'll play man, they'll
Speaker 3: play quarters, they'll play cover three, they'll play over two,
Speaker 3: they'll play they'll mix and match so much. And that obviously,
Speaker 3: I think so much of what defenses want to do
Speaker 3: is is forced that quarterback to think deeper into the snap.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You don't want to be able to consistently do the
Speaker 3: thing that the plays designed to do. And I think
Speaker 3: once you play a defense that presents so much variety
Speaker 3: to you, it becomes challenging for you to play fast
Speaker 3: and efficient and it's going to be interesting I think
Speaker 3: obviously they're the injuries on the defensive line has kind
Speaker 3: of taken away from the pass rush. I think that's
Speaker 3: hindered the defense. But I feel like the run defense
Speaker 3: has been pretty strong throughout the course of the season,
Speaker 3: and you know, I think if you can do that,
Speaker 3: they've been very good situationally, if I'm not mistaken, one
Speaker 3: of the best third down defenses in the NFL, so
Speaker 3: you're you're not allowing drives to sustain themselves.
Speaker 1: It's been very productive in that capacity.
Speaker 3: So I think what's interesting about the Bills is they've
Speaker 3: they've played this tree of defensive coordinators like so many
Speaker 3: times you think about that Baltimore staff that obviously Mike
Speaker 3: McDonald goes to Seattle, Weaver goes to Miami, Dinnard Wilson
Speaker 3: goes to Tennessee, and then Zach Orr obviously stays in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: The Bills have played all of those teams. Man, this
Speaker 1: is it's like, it's like this defense. The Bills have
Speaker 1: played this defense.
Speaker 3: Now, this is going to be the fifth time in
Speaker 3: in in what nine games. It's it's crazy. So I
Speaker 3: think that probably helps the Bills. But you know, from Miami,
Speaker 3: I think I think also complimentary football matters as well.
Speaker 3: I think some of the the the challenges that they've
Speaker 3: had offensively takes away from what your defense can be.
Speaker 3: You feel like that's kind of normalizing now, or it
Speaker 3: has the potential to normalize now with Tua back in
Speaker 3: the fray and you know, obviously they need to get
Speaker 3: healthy on defense, But the multiplicity of the scheme is
Speaker 3: what really kind of stands out to me.
Speaker 2: Lockdown Bill's podcast, Locked on NFL Scouting podcast, The First
Speaker 2: Read podcast, The Herd Mentality Substack at the Joe Marino
Speaker 2: on Social Fellow Girl Dad as well. Joe, we got
Speaker 2: some big Halloween plans coming up this week.
Speaker 3: Oh you know it, my guy, We're the Bluey family
Speaker 3: this year. I'm I'm gonna be banned. I got I
Speaker 3: take a little exception. I like Bluuie, but it feels
Speaker 3: like banned. It's always in a bind man And I
Speaker 3: got to be this guy and that's what my daughter wants,
Speaker 3: So that's what we're gonna do. But that episode where
Speaker 3: he goes to the pool and with his daughters and
Speaker 3: he didn't bring anything. He didn't bring sunscreen, snacks, toys, chairs, towels,
Speaker 3: and my guys just sitting there in the pool. It's like,
Speaker 3: come on, man, I've taken my daughters to the pool.
Speaker 3: There's no chance I'm forgetting a single thing like that.
Speaker 3: So I'm a little I'm a little taken back. But
Speaker 3: when your four year old daughter tells you to be
Speaker 3: banded for Halloween, boy, you be banded for Halloween, what
Speaker 3: do you got going on? What's your what's your Halloween?
Speaker 3: I gotta know what you got going on?
Speaker 2: So we have we have our our in house like
Speaker 2: family night here tonight. So I'm going with the family.
Speaker 2: My little son's going to be a golfer, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to be as Caddy, and then my my wife
Speaker 2: and and our daughter are going to be Elsa and Anna.
Speaker 2: So we have the whole. It's like the parent costumes,
Speaker 2: but mix and matching there with those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the fun layer. When you've got one
Speaker 3: of each, you can you can play into that. So
Speaker 3: very good and enjoy many.
Speaker 2: Yeah you as well. I love the blue idea. Thanks
Speaker 2: for your time today, Joe. You're the best. We appreciate you,
Speaker 2: and we'll we'll see you next time. These two teams
Speaker 2: get together, man and away he goes always a fun
Speaker 2: chat there with my good buddy Joe Marino. Let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and take our last break right there on the podcast,
Speaker 2: come back and pick the week nine games. I also
Speaker 2: have a bit of a diatribe for you guys on
Speaker 2: the state of the franchise, which seems to be a
Speaker 2: weekly occurrence now on Draft time. That's next DT your
Speaker 2: host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. So
Speaker 2: we are on in absolute tear right now with the
Speaker 2: picks fourteen and zero, three weeks ago, twelve and three,
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, thirteen and three, this past week. That's
Speaker 2: a thirty nine and six run by far the best
Speaker 2: of my not just on the podcast here, but doing
Speaker 2: picks since I can remember. That is an incredible run.
Speaker 2: I nailed the Browns over Ravens pick last week. I
Speaker 2: was saved by the bell on the Commander's Hell Mary.
Speaker 2: Usually usually when you're red hot, there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of luck involved too, so we got that as well.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to week nine. The Dolphins
Speaker 2: should have helped me out too, but I digress. We
Speaker 2: are ninety one and thirty two on the season. Let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and cue the music. And pick these games
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Hey, the Jets are back in primetime and
Speaker 2: I used to like the hate watch for the Jets.
Speaker 2: The last couple of years has been literally my favorite
Speaker 2: thing about the Nationville Football League because if you were
Speaker 2: a fan of hating the Jets, you're like back to
Speaker 2: back Super Bowl champions. Right now, it feels pretty good.
Speaker 2: I'm taking the Texans to beat the Jets, but I'm
Speaker 2: not going to really enjoy it that much because now
Speaker 2: I kind of want them. I kind of want them
Speaker 2: to win some games because I don't want them to
Speaker 2: have an easy replacement for Aaron Rodgers next year. So
Speaker 2: maybe not right now, but at some point start winning
Speaker 2: some games because I don't want them to get Shedur Sanders.
Speaker 2: I don't want him to get cam Ward. I don't
Speaker 2: want him to get Joe Milton, and I don't want
Speaker 2: him to get Garrett Nessmyer. If you want to take
Speaker 2: Carson Becker, Quinn yorz be my guest. I'm taking the
Speaker 2: Saints over the Panthers unless unless Andy Dalton starts that game,
Speaker 2: so I'll flip that. If it is Dalton at quarterback,
Speaker 2: I'll take Washington over the Giants. I'll take Buffalo over Miami.
Speaker 2: I'm going back to the well on the jamis Led Browns,
Speaker 2: and this is more about my lack of belief in
Speaker 2: the Chargers, which just another quick Dia tribe real quick
Speaker 2: for you guys, are a point of emphasis, and I
Speaker 2: should be careful of this because I'm I've got a
Speaker 2: lot of Dolphins things wrong this year. Although I will
Speaker 2: still stand by the process of the predictions and point
Speaker 2: to the fact that the quarterback missing some of those
Speaker 2: games was the difference in those games. But I digress.
Speaker 2: But I remember a heck of a lot of commentary
Speaker 2: about how the Chargers and the Steelers were two teams
Speaker 2: that built their things right. And granted, right now the
Speaker 2: Steelers are cooking, they're rolling whatever, but they're beating teams
Speaker 2: like the Jets and the Giants and these Chargers and
Speaker 2: the Titans and the colt like they're playing bad football
Speaker 2: teams and I don't believe in them, and that will
Speaker 2: be the case come the end of the year. Just
Speaker 2: you watch it was nine to nine in that Giants
Speaker 2: game at one point. So with the Chargers case, yeah,
Speaker 2: this really fun offensive line they built right, like they
Speaker 2: have nobody to pass to. I just don't think they're
Speaker 2: a good football team. So give me the Browns at
Speaker 2: home over those Chargers. I'll take the Titans over the
Speaker 2: Patriots in the possible cam Ward Bowl. Is that where
Speaker 2: we are in that game. I'll take the Cowboys over
Speaker 2: the Falcons. I think that it's gonna be a long
Speaker 2: year for the Cowboys. But the Falcons seem to get
Speaker 2: all their wins in division, and right now they're kind
Speaker 2: of cushy in the NFC South with a full game
Speaker 2: lead and a sweep on the only other team playing
Speaker 2: in the NFL in that division, because both the Saints
Speaker 2: and Panthers are kind of playing in the Mountain West
Speaker 2: right now. So give me the Cowboys to get back
Speaker 2: on track. I'll take the Bengals over the Raiders. The
Speaker 2: Raiders are on that list of teams we are not
Speaker 2: going to pick the rest of the season. I'll take
Speaker 2: this is my favorite pick of the week, Ravens by
Speaker 2: like fifty over the Broncos. I think the Broncos are
Speaker 2: in that Chargers and Steelers category of absolute frauds who
Speaker 2: just keep beating bad football teams. Like I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about the Dolphins were like picked on last year for
Speaker 2: beating bad teams. I'm not talking about, you know, our
Speaker 2: wins over the Chargers and Opening Day when they were
Speaker 2: a decent team, or our win over who kind of
Speaker 2: point two here, the two wins over the Jets late
Speaker 2: in the year, or even the win over the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: which was a playoff team that year. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: taking the Panthers of the world, these like one and
Speaker 2: two win outfits and scraping by those teams that will
Speaker 2: never impress me like you're supposed to beat those teams.
Speaker 2: I don't think it proves anything other than you get
Speaker 2: yourself a win in the win column. So for the
Speaker 2: Broncos perspective, I don't think they're good enough to beat
Speaker 2: half the league, and I think that's gonna get proven
Speaker 2: this week is Baltimore's going to wipe the absolute floor
Speaker 2: with them taking the Cardinals, who I think are going
Speaker 2: to get hot because I think their quarterback is getting
Speaker 2: hot and their offense is very good. I'm taking them
Speaker 2: over Chicago, who has a bit of a late a
Speaker 2: hangover from that tough loss in Washington. Philly over Jacksonville
Speaker 2: because duh. I'll take the Rams over the Seahawks because
Speaker 2: I think that Ryan Grubb is having a hard time
Speaker 2: figuring out how NFL defenses want to attack him. I
Speaker 2: think that Matt Stafford having all his weapons back, I
Speaker 2: think there are a team about to get red hot
Speaker 2: as well. I'll take the Packers over the Lions. I
Speaker 2: want to pick the Lions here, but I'm taking Green
Speaker 2: Bay because simply of Goff's outdoor versus indoor splits, and
Speaker 2: I think he plays like fourteen games indoors this year,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to take the games where he's outdoors
Speaker 2: as the Lions only losses on the season. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen the weather there, but if it's less than perfect,
Speaker 2: I like the Packers in that game. Give me this,
Speaker 2: the Vikings over the Colts. Is that a Sunday night
Speaker 2: football game? What are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 2: I'll take the Chiefs over the Bucks on Monday night football.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and cut the music. That's the Week nine picks.
Speaker 2: And I just want to to leave you guys with
Speaker 2: this and close with this because I was thinking about this,
Speaker 2: and I'm as guilty as anybody of this. I was
Speaker 2: talking about Brian Flora is gonna be the next guy
Speaker 2: that gets the extension and breaks the playoff at win drought.
Speaker 2: I thought Adam Gase after that first year was the
Speaker 2: exact same thing. Never got there was Joe Philbim. I
Speaker 2: never really felt that way about Tony Sparano either, but
Speaker 2: with Mike McDaniel, that was my guy. I thought McDaniel
Speaker 2: should have been the OC back in twenty one when
Speaker 2: he was on the list of possible OC hires, and
Speaker 2: then when he got the head coaching job, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is party sweat, bro. We're gonna have an innovator
Speaker 2: who is on top of the current pulse of the
Speaker 2: NFL in terms of offenses, a guy that understands how
Speaker 2: to connect with young players. And I don't think that's
Speaker 2: completely gone because of one bad start to a season
Speaker 2: with you know, uh, let's see, what was it. Three
Speaker 2: of those losses sand you're starting quarterback and an offense
Speaker 2: that hasn't functioned without that quarterback since he's been here.
Speaker 2: But obviously there's some questions like it's not what you
Speaker 2: were I think this roster is better than this. I
Speaker 2: think there's a team component that has caused some of
Speaker 2: the lack of cohesion and lack of production overall, and
Speaker 2: it has me like worried, you know, I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't expect to beat Buffalo. I don't
Speaker 2: expect to beat the Rams either, So if that's where
Speaker 2: it goes, it's a two and seven start. And I'm
Speaker 2: looking back at these third years of these coaches, and
Speaker 2: it's like Brian Flores' third year had a bunch of
Speaker 2: optimism going into it, with Tua's like first really full
Speaker 2: year starting, and he went one in seven to kick
Speaker 2: that year off, and you know, if McDaniel's two and seven,
Speaker 2: that's one went better. And Adam Gase even though that
Speaker 2: like it never felt this way, but they started off
Speaker 2: like five and six was the opening record, but there
Speaker 2: was games of brock Ausweiler in there, and they felt
Speaker 2: like those teams I just talked about in the picks
Speaker 2: felt like like my Chargers or my Broncos, like they
Speaker 2: were in the hunt right that in the Hunt column,
Speaker 2: but they were never going to beat a team like
Speaker 2: Kansas City or those New England teams back then, or
Speaker 2: you know, I guess the Ravens back then, like they
Speaker 2: weren't that good. And then Joe Philben his third year
Speaker 2: was eight and eight, but that team sucked. But dude suck.
Speaker 2: But you know Tony Soprano that his third year was
Speaker 2: like win loss, win loss, win, loss, win loss all
Speaker 2: year long. So just like these mediocre teams. And it's
Speaker 2: funny because I think that McDaniel and Flores, for all
Speaker 2: of Flora's warts and the way his program was an
Speaker 2: absolute disaster. Like I those to me are the two
Speaker 2: best Dolphins coaches since Don Shula, Like I would take
Speaker 2: both those coaches over Jimmy because Jimmy was checked out
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to get Heinekens on his boat out
Speaker 2: in the Keys. And Dave Wanstead, don't get me started
Speaker 2: on that that was a top five football team that
Speaker 2: could make the playoffs under his watch. I digress. So
Speaker 2: why are these good football coaches, I believe, having these
Speaker 2: slow starts into these years, And why is there always
Speaker 2: this pattern of like playoff year or a surprisingly good
Speaker 2: performance in year one where they they outplay there they
Speaker 2: overperformed the expectations. And then McDaniel's year two was the
Speaker 2: outlier for all these coaching stats because year two for Flores,
Speaker 2: for Gays, for Philbin, like all those guys just flopped
Speaker 2: in year two. But why is it that we get
Speaker 2: to this point where we finally have a belief and everything,
Speaker 2: and then it's like, by year three, half a damn
Speaker 2: fan base is questioning whether or not he's the guy.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to get into that because I
Speaker 2: think it's way too early for that. But it's just
Speaker 2: like so mind numbingly frustrating. It's hard to reconcile. And
Speaker 2: it goes back beyond that, because you know, Cam Cameron
Speaker 2: had one year and he was total trash. Nick Saven
Speaker 2: had two years and he was like, I'm going back
Speaker 2: to Alabama. Although I'm not going back to Alabama. It
Speaker 2: just feels like we're on this hamster wheel and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's what's the common denominator across
Speaker 2: two decades of that, you know, like is it? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want to speculate. I have my thoughts,
Speaker 2: but I won't speculate here on the show. I just
Speaker 2: keep thinking about that, and I keep thinking about where
Speaker 2: we are right now, because like, remember twenty nineteen, how
Speaker 2: stressful that season was from a too many wins perspective,
Speaker 2: and then the college landscape perspective when Tua got hurt
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh no, our golden ticket is
Speaker 2: now down. Now what do we do? And it was
Speaker 2: like that year you went from it's all about Tua.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what happens. We have to get Tua,
Speaker 2: and then it was shoot, we won too many games
Speaker 2: to get Tua. And then it was oh, damn, Tua's hurt.
Speaker 2: To hey, even if to a flops, we can still revive,
Speaker 2: Like we can still revive this rebuild and just reset
Speaker 2: the quarterback position because everything else is still in place,
Speaker 2: to oh, he's actually the only thing that actually works.
Speaker 2: And now it kind of feels like we are beholden
Speaker 2: to a guy that has a very serious injury risk
Speaker 2: every single year, and a roster around him that maybe
Speaker 2: has hit its peek conceiling. Like it's the weirdest place
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been as a Dolphins fan since
Speaker 2: since I kind of stepped away in twenty fifteen. I
Speaker 2: met my wife in twenty fifteen, and when the Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell two game jump was like really exciting for everybody, right,
Speaker 2: we all love those two games against the Titans and Texans,
Speaker 2: the blowout wins, and then they played the Patriots and
Speaker 2: got humbled, and then the rest of the year was
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, this is the same team that started
Speaker 2: off one and three with a lame duck coach and
Speaker 2: Joe Filbin. Like I had to like not make Sundays
Speaker 2: at one o'clock a priority. At that point, I would
Speaker 2: check in on the games, but I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: really care. I wasn't like making it a priority. And
Speaker 2: that was the only time I've ever done that as
Speaker 2: a Dolphins fan. That's like kind of where I'm at
Speaker 2: right now. And obviously i have a job in the
Speaker 2: industry and I'm not gonna do that. But as far
Speaker 2: as like what I want, I don't really know. Like
Speaker 2: I've always had a vested interest, whether it was twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen saying like I hope they lose we get the
Speaker 2: first pick in the draft, or wanting like hell to
Speaker 2: win games, to prove people in the media wrong and
Speaker 2: to get that first playoff win in advance and try
Speaker 2: to win a championship. I just feel so stuck in
Speaker 2: this moment, and then like over the course you know,
Speaker 2: of Tua's injury, it felt like that injury history was
Speaker 2: what was gonna hold us back, and now it's like
Speaker 2: he He's like the thing that makes the entire program go.
Speaker 2: So I guess I'm gonna leave you with this non
Speaker 2: secuity of sorts on the podcast, but I just wanted
Speaker 2: to put it out there because it feels very Bill
Speaker 2: Murray esque in that it's groundhogs to day. Yet again,
Speaker 2: I just want to stop. I just want the wheel
Speaker 2: to stop and to We talked about this earlier on
Speaker 2: the show. I wasn't sure what podcast this was with
Speaker 2: Joe Marino and about the Bills level of consistency and
Speaker 2: their plug and play ability, like I want that dog.
Speaker 2: I thought we were gonna get that. Maybe we will,
Speaker 2: who knows, we'll see, but right now, not go in
Speaker 2: that direction. Tomorrow, the game Preview will take a deep
Speaker 2: dive into the Bills and Dolphins game. Friday, a very
Speaker 2: special guest will have Kickball Dad in studio. He's gonna
Speaker 2: be on HQ as well as Draft time. We'll also
Speaker 2: do our weekly chat with Kyle Krabs. But until then,
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Speaker 2: perfect honest, you guys, I don't really want to tweet anymore.
Speaker 2: I can't even put out an honest film assessment on
Speaker 2: TUA without being like okay, dude, like okay, yeah, tell
Speaker 2: me why you think that way, or someone reply to
Speaker 2: me about like Chris Career in the offensive line, like okay,
Speaker 2: tell me why you think they're not playing good, because
Speaker 2: Louis Flash they are. I just don't. It's so pointless.
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