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Speaker 2: This is the Reform Sports Project. I'll podcast about restoring

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Speaker 2: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through

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Speaker 2: Reform Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with Jax Forrest, one

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Speaker 2: of the best high school wrestlers in the country. Jackson

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Speaker 2: has already cemented himself as one of the sports rising stars,

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Speaker 2: winning the Collegiate Open at Pennwest Edinburgh as a high

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Speaker 2: school freshman. Jackson and I discussed learning to compete for yourself,

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Speaker 2: be talking to one of the I'll call him a phenom.

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Speaker 2: I'm call my stuff a rising legend in the sport

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Speaker 2: of wrestling around the country. High school kid raised her

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Speaker 2: Carolina grown. We're gonna claim him because he's on the

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Speaker 2: Really pumped to have of my man Jack's Forest Jacks.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for hopping on, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, man, you're welcoming. Listen all this that's going on. Man,

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Speaker 2: you're in you're freshman in high school, you know, making

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty crazy. I like a

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Speaker 2: Well, good for you. I know it's been many, many

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Speaker 2: So congratulations and all your success. Well, thank you, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you, how has it been? One

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Speaker 2: dad's probably a couple of years older than me. Were

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Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's obviously weird, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes, I mean, sometimes it's gonna wrestling

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Speaker 1: My dad, My dad is great with it, and he

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Speaker 1: Might it's not going to be your best practice every practice,

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Speaker 2: What's the name of your high school again, Bishop McCourt.

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Speaker 1: Well they have, so they have like there's the Olympic

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like at all that you're sacrificing, Like

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Speaker 2: I got you, So you're basically killing two birds with

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you said at the end, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I know you mentioned and I've gotten to know your dad.

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Speaker 2: You know, I haven't seen him in you know, several

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Speaker 2: I were about to talk about how parents can help

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I definitely see that, and I see

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Speaker 2: So do you feel like it's like, hey, like, as

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Speaker 1: And I'm I mean, I think that like the time

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Speaker 2: It's just so hard, Yeah, because you're locked in in

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Speaker 2: work should be done in the weight room, all that

436
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Speaker 2: so so that when it's time to perform, you should

437
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Speaker 2: feel that freedom to just go and compete and be you.

438
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Speaker 2: Is that kind of what you're saying.

439
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. And another thing is like something that my

440
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 1: dad did was like as I started getting older, he

441
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 1: started to coach me like less and less because he figured,

442
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Speaker 1: I like, when I'm in high school in college, like

443
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be in my corner all the time,

444
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Speaker 1: so I need to know how to wrestle without him

445
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Speaker 1: being there.

446
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Speaker 2: That is so clutch that you just brought that up

447
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 2: and you know the end of the day, dude, Like,

448
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 2: I think it's so it's so important for kids to

449
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 2: hear your perspective because you're living through it and you're

450
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 2: you're dealing with this at the double these kids want

451
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Speaker 2: to get to But at the same time, you know

452
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 2: what it's like, like how do you deal? I know

453
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Speaker 2: you mentioned the losses, but like, how do you bounce

454
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Speaker 2: back from a tough loss? How do you bounce back

455
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Speaker 2: from adversity? How do you channel that to make you

456
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Speaker 2: feel better and get better rather than break you down?

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean for me, like I said before, I'm

458
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Speaker 1: super competitive and I take losses like I take them

459
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Speaker 1: super hard, and it's tough the first couple of days,

460
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Speaker 1: but then over time, like I got to realize, like,

461
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Speaker 1: this isn't gonna be my last match ever, Like I'm

462
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Speaker 1: gonna have more tournaments to go out there and keep wrestling,

463
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Speaker 1: and if it all goes as plan, like I'll be

464
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Speaker 1: able to wrestle that kid again and hopefully beat him

465
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Speaker 1: the next time. But like, I think it's super important

466
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Speaker 1: to realize that one match doesn't mean everything. Like the

467
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Speaker 1: world my World Finals match I end up losing and

468
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Speaker 1: that one was super hard, but has some really big

469
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Speaker 1: matches since then that I have one which makes me

470
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Speaker 1: just want to keep winning and keep wrestling.

471
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Speaker 2: I think it's critical for people to understand as you're

472
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Speaker 2: you're kind of breaking this down, Like, you know, there's

473
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Speaker 2: there's so much value in struggling, and I talk about

474
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Speaker 2: that a lot. There's so much value in parents and coaches,

475
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Speaker 2: like understanding that more growth happens when things go wrong

476
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: and you learn through that experience. If all you did

477
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Speaker 2: was win and never lose, Like, if there wasn't a

478
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Speaker 2: risk of losing, wouldn't sports suck? Like isn't the fact

479
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Speaker 2: that you know you have to be the best, like

480
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Speaker 2: if you knew where you're I mean again, don't get

481
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Speaker 2: me wrong. Winning is great, But isn't that fact that

482
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Speaker 2: you're you're competing against someone that if you're not on

483
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Speaker 2: your a game, like you might lose. To me, that's

484
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Speaker 2: one of the best things about sports. That's what competition's about.

485
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Speaker 2: So if you can love it when it's good, you

486
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Speaker 2: got to be able to deal with it when it's

487
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Speaker 2: when it's not going well and more importantly learn from it.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you said, if you just want every time,

489
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Speaker 1: like I feel like it whatever sport, it would it

490
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: would just get kind of boring, like there wouldn't be

491
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Speaker 1: in any competition. And if there's no competition, like, what's

492
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Speaker 1: the point are they even doing it? And that's having

493
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Speaker 1: to work for something and putting in the time and

494
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Speaker 1: practice room to just know you're just gonna go out

495
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Speaker 1: there and beat up the kid. It's like, it doesn't

496
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Speaker 1: make it as fun, and it's not. The process isn't

497
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Speaker 1: going to be as fun as what it should be.

498
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up that word, man, because the process, right,

499
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Speaker 2: like I wonder you know, you mentioned how how much

500
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Speaker 2: it's tough at times and all that, you know, struggling

501
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: and we all don't want to you know, we're not

502
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Speaker 2: our best selves every day. But the process, like do

503
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Speaker 2: you when you're standing on the podium or you or

504
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Speaker 2: you're you're getting your arm raised, is that the result?

505
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: Like when you look back on your big wins or whatever,

506
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Speaker 2: are you like, does it make you think about all

507
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Speaker 2: the training and time and focus and commitment you put

508
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Speaker 2: into it? Is that what brings out the most value

509
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Speaker 2: in those great moments of success?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And I always picture that that one like picture

511
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: where it's like the guy in first, second, and third,

512
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: and it's like what people see, and then it has

513
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Speaker 1: behind it and has like grit, toughness, practices, long nights,

514
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Speaker 1: early mornings, and it has all those things. And that's

515
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Speaker 1: kind of what I'm thinking about up there. And it's

516
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Speaker 1: like I'm standing here and you just see me as me,

517
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Speaker 1: but you don't see like all the work that I

518
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Speaker 1: put in and all the late nights and all the

519
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Speaker 1: early mornings and all the talking with my parents and

520
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Speaker 1: my family about what I can do better and just

521
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Speaker 1: things to work on.

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to give you. I want to

523
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Speaker 2: I want to kind of hit you with a few

524
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: little fast questions here. If you are gonna pick one

525
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: thing to eat, and I know, wrestlers, you guys got

526
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: to watch your wait. You guys gotta be on point.

527
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: But if you're about to have like a two day

528
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: where you can eat whatever you want, what's your go

529
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: to food?

530
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Speaker 1: So I'm luckily for me is I'm not a big

531
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: weight cutter, so that's really good. But i'd have to

532
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: I love ice cream and I love Chipotle, so I

533
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Speaker 1: think probably those two would be my good.

534
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: Zoo and who's your who's your favorite wrestler.

535
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: I really like Dayton Fix right now.

536
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: That's not a bad pick. That's not a bad pick.

537
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 2: And if you are, if there's one person that you

538
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: could wrestle, who would it be? Would it be Dayton Fix?

539
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: I think it would probably be probably Spencer Lee right

540
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: now because I'm kind of at that point where I

541
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Speaker 1: and I've done the college tournaments where I wrestled on

542
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Speaker 1: twenty five, and I think I think it'd be really

543
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Speaker 1: fun to rest wrestle with him.

544
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Speaker 2: You just mentioned something that people don't. You know, some

545
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: people who will hear this know it. But you just

546
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: wrestled in a college open, a big college open tournament

547
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Speaker 2: as a freshman in high school and you won it.

548
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: What the hell was that?

549
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: Like?

550
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: Explain to me how that? How do you go show

551
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: up and you're wrestling? I mean, you're sixty, if I'm

552
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: not mistaken, you just turned sixteen a few months ago.

553
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I turned sixteen in October.

554
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: So these kids you were wrestling were what nineteen twenty

555
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: twenty one years old?

556
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrestled actually at the Clearing Open, I wrestled

557
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: kid I was twenty five. I think from Gardner will.

558
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: Have and you won that, you went undefeated and like

559
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: barely gave up anybody. How the hell like part of

560
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: me for saying, hell, I know you're sixteen, but how

561
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: the hell do you do that?

562
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I just I just went

563
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: out there and wrestled, I guess, just trying to score points.

564
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: And like at all, three of the opens that I had,

565
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: like most of the wins I had were bonus point wins.

566
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: So you're you're not just you're not winning like a

567
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: two point decision. You're smoking people. Hi, And what's the

568
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: reaction of a twenty five year old man who just

569
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: got his tail whip by a sixteen year old?

570
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Speaker 1: He was he was pretty mad, waitch. I mean, I

571
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: don't blame him. I'd be pretty mad too.

572
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: And what is that like when you do that? Are

573
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 2: you thinking yourself like you're just checking boxes like this

574
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: is just another day at the office.

575
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean going into those college ones like I was,

576
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: I was super nervous going into those, and I didn't

577
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Speaker 1: know what to expect because like I wrestled like up

578
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: ways and stuff, but I never wrestled like college people

579
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: in a ma AC. So I was like, I don't

580
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: know what to expect. I'm just gonna go out here

581
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna wrestle. I know I'm not I'm

582
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: not predicted to win. I'm just gonna go have some fun.

583
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: So you went into it with no expectations. Obviously you

584
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: have your own, but you're like, I'm just want to

585
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: go out here and feel it out. Yeah, where do

586
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: you get the maturity to know, like, I'm not going

587
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: to go out here and try like I'm just gonna

588
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: Like that seems to me like a very mature way

589
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: to go about it, Like how do you go into

590
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: it with that mindset without having expectations like I gotta go,

591
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: I gotta go win.

592
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it comes from my parents,

593
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: Like they've raised me so good and wrestling standpoint, just

594
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: in life, and they've they've like given me time to

595
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: grow like by myself, so I know how to like like,

596
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: I know how to think for myself, and I'm pretty mature,

597
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: like for my age, so I can like deal with

598
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: situations a lot better than a normal sixteen year old would.

599
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: Jack's what I think would be very very awesome. If

600
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: you take a little bit of time, there's gonna be

601
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: a lot of kids. I mean, for God's sakes, I'm

602
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: sure you know, half the kids at my kids high

603
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: school will listen to this and wrestling. I'm the kids

604
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: all over the country are gonna want to hear. Like

605
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: if you're if you're talking to a room full of like,

606
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: shout out Willie Hill and it's sly Fox Wrestling Club here,

607
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: and will me to like you're talking to his guys

608
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 2: at sly Fox and uh, you know those kids are seven, eight, nine, ten,

609
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: eleven years old and they're like Jack forst Oh my god,

610
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: Like what what what can those kids do you know

611
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: along their journey to put themselves in a position to

612
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: maybe become you know, a Jack's force in the next

613
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: four or five six years.

614
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Speaker 1: I think just just loving wrestling and just wanting to

615
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: be the best. I feel like that's what has me

616
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: is like I just want to be the best, and

617
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: I have that burning feeling in my chest to just

618
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: put in the work and be the best that I can.

619
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Speaker 1: But I think like the biggest thing for me at

620
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: least is trying to challenge myself and figure out what

621
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Speaker 1: works on the best kids, because like once thing that

622
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: makes me so special I think is just like wrestling

623
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: the college opens and wrestling weights above what I usually wrestle,

624
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: and just trying to get the best competition to figure

625
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: out what I need to to ultimately be the best,

626
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna need to wrestle those older kids eventually,

627
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: so I mean, might as well do it now and

628
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: figure out what I need to improve on now, so

629
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: when I am that age or that weight, like, I

630
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: know what to do against those kids.

631
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: So don't be afraid to take risks and put yourself

632
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: out there in the name of competition, because at the

633
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: end of the day, you're learning as you go, Right,

634
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: the only way to learn is to sometimes you got

635
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: to go out there and get your teeth kicked. And

636
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure and that's sometimes the best way to learn.

637
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I mean, and it's like like you said earlier,

638
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: like if I just want every time, I gu'd be boring.

639
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: I gotta go out there and I gotta I gotta

640
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: get humbled. I mean, that's the best way to put out.

641
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: I need to be humbled and go back to the

642
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: drawing board and figure out what I need to do better.

643
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: Jack's force wise beyond your freaking years. I love it.

644
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for coming on, man. Where

645
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: can people find you? I know I follow you on Twitter.

646
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: What else can people connect with you?

647
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: I think I think Instagram. I think it's just Jack's

648
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Forest underscore. I think Twitter is just Jacks Forest. Pretty simple.

649
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: So if you want to follow the top dog, go

650
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: on there, follow him. This journey's awesome. Keep up the

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Speaker 2: good work, man. Tell your family, Hello, I can't thank

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. And I like to say this after

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Speaker 1: glory to God, because I mean, without him, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be anywhere.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate you saying that, man, and thank you

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Speaker 2: for taking the time. Wish you nothing but continue to

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Speaker 2: test Jack.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, it was good talking to Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's Jack's Forest, one of the top high school wrestlers

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