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Speaker 1: York City at City Winery on Saturday, September. Tickets are

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Speaker 1: So Saturday September at City Winery, Stradio Lab Live. Hope

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Speaker 1: by Welcome to Stradio Lab and intellectual podcast about straight

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Speaker 1: culture and also a stupid podcast about nothing. Don't say that,

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Speaker 1: it's just true. I don't want to lie to our listeners.

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Speaker 1: I'm George Severe and I'm Sam Taggart and this is

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab. Podcast starts now. Okay, podcast starts now. What's

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Speaker 1: up every podcast listener across the globe. Hope you're enjoying

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Speaker 1: your commute or your little walk. I've never heard you

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Speaker 1: sound so mocking of our listeners. M I think a

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Speaker 1: little contempt goes a long way. I completely agree. In fact, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes we'll be recording and I'll actually think about

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Speaker 1: the fact that someone is listening to this on their headphones,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be like, loser, it's so embarrassing, so humiliating,

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Speaker 1: making your stew Don't even get me wrong. The opposite

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Speaker 1: a podcaster or comedian or um media maker does the

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Speaker 1: actually could be could stand to be taken down a peg. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that is so respectful of our listeners, and I think

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Speaker 1: that is so good. It's a new form of therapy.

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Speaker 1: I am pioneering. So listeners, you're not that good and

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Speaker 1: prove me wrong. Um, maybe try give it. Just put

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Speaker 1: in some effort every day you're back at zero. Maybe

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Speaker 1: don't just be passively listening to I mean to other people. Uh,

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Speaker 1: with no script. By the way, so many of our

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Speaker 1: create a chosen family. No, it's us first himself in

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Speaker 1: opposition to us. Well, I'm going to lead with love

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to bring him in. Please do that

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Speaker 1: without further ado, Please welcome to our podcast, Give a

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Speaker 1: glamour girl. Who do you who? For? Generally? Hello John,

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Speaker 1: try to get better at it. Can snap into it,

422
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Speaker 1: you can literally pull yourself off up by our own

423
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Speaker 1: buy your series serious serious, Yeah yeah, yeah, here's what

424
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Speaker 1: I think we should do. I think we should do

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Speaker 1: our first segment. Okay, yeah, John, you thought this was

426
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Speaker 1: all You're ready to be a loose a little? Did

427
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Speaker 1: you know we were leading you into this trap the

428
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: whole time? I had no idea, but I'm ready for

429
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Speaker 1: some structure. Well okay, yeah, and you know, just while

430
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Speaker 1: we're here, while we're here, yeah, John, how has your

431
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: perception of us changed knowing that this actually does have

432
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Speaker 1: a segment. I once again, I'm I'm thrilled. I'm like

433
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Speaker 1: I would have I would have ridden the wave of

434
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Speaker 1: it being like fully loose of course, but no, I

435
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: actually feel really taken care of. Okay, I'm glad because yeah,

436
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: And honestly that makes me feel good, because I get

437
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: some embarrassed sometimes because you know, we have these cool

438
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Speaker 1: series regulars on and we say, um, you know, and

439
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: here comes over for a segment and they go they

440
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: make a little face like kids, right right, or they

441
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: say my manager, my manager didn't tell me about this,

442
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: Olivia didn't tell me, or Olivia, I'm not again, I'm

443
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: not mad. No. But and also one thing I want

444
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Speaker 1: to say about the fact that we have a segment

445
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: um is um, I'm glad that you enjoy it, because

446
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: now I'm like, if we hadn't had this segment, like

447
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: I just know you would have left and you would

448
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: have you know, called up whoever is your greatest friend

449
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: in the world, and you would have said, um, yeah,

450
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: it was just like yeah, you would call it, Lauren,

451
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: and you just said, I mean they're nice, but it

452
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Speaker 1: was just really meandering and if they cared, like how

453
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Speaker 1: did how did they get this out? There's no you know,

454
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe there maybe that would be enough in like,

455
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of comedy podcasts out

456
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: the landscape. They have to differentiate themselves, and it's almost

457
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: an open mic mentality that at this point it's kind

458
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Speaker 1: of embarrassing that they haven't grown out of. But we've

459
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: taken that from you. No, I didn't need that. I

460
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: talked to Lauren enough. Obviously I don't. And of course

461
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna talk about us, you know,

462
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: you about their thanks talking about with When I'm with Lauren,

463
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: it's like it's purely like family stuff. It's like it's

464
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: purely personal. We'd like stay we actively stay away from

465
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Speaker 1: the professional. Yeah yeah, that's smart, yeah yeah, whereas at

466
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: all other times he's kind of actively staying away from

467
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Speaker 1: the familiar. We're talking about Laurena love, right, yeah, we love,

468
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: we love, we love, we love. Okay, um, okay, George,

469
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: will you please explain our first segment? I couldn't possibly

470
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Speaker 1: do it right now, I mean I would not expect

471
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Speaker 1: you to, nor would I ever ask. Can I ask

472
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: this really quick? Interrupt? Are these the same segments for

473
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: every app? Or are you doing a fresh news segment

474
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: for me? And neither one will disappoint me? Thank you

475
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: so much for clarifying these are the same segments for

476
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: each apps. Content is of course different. Yeah, there's different

477
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: first segment. It's a form, you know, like you have

478
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: a cold open and then the monologue and then the

479
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: host and then you'll kind of go in the episode. Yeah,

480
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: maybe you and Laurena have talked about that week end

481
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: up pay Yeah. Our first second is called straight Shooters,

482
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: and in this segment we gauge your familiarity with and

483
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: complicity and straight culture by asking you a series of

484
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions where you have to decide between one

485
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: thing and another thing. And the one rule is you

486
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works,

487
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: Like starting now, John, John, okay, okay, okay, I'm sorry, Grace,

488
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Speaker 1: period over. Starting now. The one rule is you can't

489
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Speaker 1: ask any follow up questions about how the game works, John, Yes,

490
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Speaker 1: Noah's ark or romans Revenge, Romans Revenge John Fibonacci sequence

491
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: or Liberaci's sequence Liberaci sequence. Now, can I explain how

492
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Speaker 1: I'm approaching the game? Or is that? Is that a question?

493
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: Is that a question? You can? You can? You can

494
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Speaker 1: rephrase that sentence. So I'm going to explain how I'm

495
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: approaching the game? YEA, So well, No, I actually don't

496
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Speaker 1: know how I'm approaching, but I am. I am like

497
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Speaker 1: I'm struggling between answering with what my gut is telling me,

498
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: like what I actually prefer, yeah, or what I think

499
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Speaker 1: the correct answer is? Right? Keep going? La are a

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Speaker 1: croft tomb rat? Or I'm Laura Lenney and this is

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Speaker 1: Masterpiece Theater. I'm Laura Linney. In the Okay, Gus van

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Speaker 1: sant or staff Let's flats, staff Let's flats, ben affleck

503
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Speaker 1: or the duck from a flat, The duck from a flat, Okay,

504
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Speaker 1: reading the artists way, or being asked are you gay

505
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Speaker 1: being us? Are you gay? Being fluent in excel? Or

506
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Speaker 1: being brought to tears by adele being fluent in xcel? Okay, Okay,

507
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Speaker 1: Mark Twain, Shanaya Twain or Chow Chow Twain, Just n Twain,

508
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Speaker 1: First com Man I like he's a winner. Oh really, well, yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: I think we rate each guest on a scale of

510
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: zero to one thousand dubs. And are we in the

511
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Speaker 1: question zone? Can I ask the questions were now at?

512
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Speaker 1: Do were you actually talenting? Be real? Are you were

513
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Speaker 1: you were you were scoring me in a kind of

514
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: instinctive way. Yeah, it's more. It's more of a feeling.

515
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: It's not even like linear like getting like more doves

516
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Speaker 1: isn't better? Getting less does isn't worse? Like You're in

517
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Speaker 1: such an say t mode right now. And I'm actually

518
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Speaker 1: I'm actually shocked because I actually have shocked because you

519
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Speaker 1: are truly one of the people in this field that

520
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: I respect the most. And to have you and to

521
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Speaker 1: have you asked us were you actually keeping score? It's revealing.

522
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: But here's what I needs reveal what I need you

523
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Speaker 1: guys to know that some as I'm sure you surmise,

524
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: because obviously at a certain point, if you were taling

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Speaker 1: it based on and my and my answer, am I

526
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Speaker 1: giving the gay answer right right? Then I would have

527
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Speaker 1: consciously I think in some areas I think, as you know,

528
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: excel over Adele, that that would have been me consciously failing.

529
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: But that would that at that point I had fully

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Speaker 1: decided to answer instinctively. Yeah. I actually think that's where

531
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Speaker 1: the six six come from, is that basically you started

532
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: out well, you started out clearly unsure yea. And then

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Speaker 1: by the end, by the end, by remember like we

534
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Speaker 1: were at a thousand of his territory. But of course

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00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: it's going to be a mean, an average different answers,

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Speaker 1: So that I felt that, Yeah, what what in the

537
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: middle there happened that made you turn it all around? Um,

538
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: it just was a confidence and approach. Yeah, you know,

539
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: you settled into the game, you stop being afraid. Here

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00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: I go. Hey, I think we all learned a little

541
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: bit about you know, a little discomfort. That's okay because

542
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: you can push through and you can get to the

543
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: other side and you can be so confident and strong

544
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: at the end. Thank you, Sam rememb When I started

545
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: this making fun of people that try to lift up

546
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: their listeners, and now all I'm doing is like pulling

547
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: that style. Well, we can definitely lift up our guests,

548
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: but we can lift up our guests. Our guests are

549
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: people I would like to have a positive relationship with. Yeah,

550
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: we only my people on this podcast that really need

551
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: to get lifted off, and yet and yet I was

552
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: attacked for the first twenty minutes. Well, to me, you know,

553
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I Sam knows, that's kind of a way that I build,

554
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, to tear someone down so that I can

555
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: then build them back out totally. It's kind of my signature.

556
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: Where are you from? Oh, you know, I come from

557
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: a big gro growing up, you know, you had to

558
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: you had to talk louder than everyone else to get hard.

559
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: And I really carry that with me throughout my life.

560
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: We're crying, we're crying, We're crying. You know, it's a

561
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: leftover thing. And you know, people respond defensively to that,

562
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: but of course you know it's because they grew up

563
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: with no culture. To many people, my big fat Greek

564
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: Wedding was just a really good movie. But to George,

565
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: that's life. It was home. That was my life. Everyone

566
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: was be laughing at it, and just like, hey, hey,

567
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: don't laugh at that. That's me. Yeah, I said, that's

568
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: not the part you're supposed to laugh at. That's actually true.

569
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I saw that on a double date, a straight date.

570
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: Oh what was her name? That's not true, Okay, I

571
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: was I was with someone. It was actually my first

572
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: gay date. Wo. Yeah, I got confused because one of

573
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: the girls there had previously been like a straight date.

574
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh was this in middle school? This was middle this

575
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: was eighth No, no, no, this was ninth grade, so

576
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: freshman high school. So you and on a double date,

577
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: a gay double day where the woman and the other

578
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: couple was someone you had previously gone on a straight

579
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: date with. Exactly, Wow, exactly talk about chosen family. And

580
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: I had seen Crouching Tiger with her arguably a more

581
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: queer film. In fact, no, no matter how you slice it,

582
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna go ahead and be more queer. And then

583
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then the big fat Greek wedding

584
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: with the gig or he was by is by I

585
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: should say, well, maybe he's changed, that's it's possible. Yeah,

586
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: that was so maybe he's fine with who he is.

587
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: And that's also okay. Wait, you were out in like

588
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: ninth grade to select friends. Oh and some teachers and

589
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: some teachers. Wow, to be out to teachers that it's

590
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: very I mean, yeah, I remember when I was in

591
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: high school, Yes, in Greece, I was. I had a

592
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: kind I wanted to apply to colleges in America, and

593
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: I remember telling this one teacher that I knew was

594
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: kind of more progressive than the others. I wasn't ready

595
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 1: to come out, but I would say, like say things

596
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: like I have my own reasons for wanting to be

597
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: in a big city. Oh, you were teasing it. I

598
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah. I was like, I remember I was

599
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: applying to I ended up. I ended up going to

600
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: college California, and I was like, you know, San Francisco.

601
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to live in San Francisco for my

602
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: own reasons. Oh my god, that's so sweet. And to

603
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: this day, I'm like, did she I mean, I'm sure

604
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: she suspected independently, but but did she understand that that's

605
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: what I was saying with that statement. We'll never know.

606
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: I bet you did. I was a complete opposite. I

607
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to a straight college in a

608
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: straight college town. But I was like, but maybe it

609
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: would be perfect because maybe my roommate will be randomly

610
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: gay and then we can hook it up and we

611
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: can be closeted together. Ye did that happen? No, But

612
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: that was a fantasy. My roommate was a libertarian from Colorado,

613
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: like parents were libertarian, Likembertarian? Is he still libertarian if

614
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: he checked in on it. He was raised libertarian but

615
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: then actually stayed with the church. Yeah, not to be

616
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: like structured and like, no, I want another segment. Yeah, well,

617
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: be careful what you wish for, because I think we're

618
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: actually gonna bring our topic. This is our main you

619
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: could call it the main stec. We never have in

620
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: the past, but actually this is helping me really get organized.

621
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Speaker 1: Um So, John, just to give the listeners a peek

622
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: behind the curtain, you texted me maybe ten minutes for

623
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: the podcast, started saying, oh my goss, was I supposed

624
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: to come up with something? And then another text God

625
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Asterix and I said, not really a topic if you want,

626
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: And then you brought this to me, Sam, what a

627
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: noncommittal answer, not really a topic if you want. Well,

628
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: I was kinda like, we can all come up one together,

629
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, like it was very sweet. You didn't

630
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: want to put the pressure on. Yeah, but you did

631
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Speaker 1: actually almost instantly come up with the topic. Would you

632
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: like to tell us what that is? I came up

633
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: with the topic of fermentation, and I really really assumed

634
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: that it would have been taken, which just goes to

635
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: show you know how incredibly beautiful and alternative. Your mind

636
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: is thank you because you said, oh, this is the

637
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: lowest hanging fruit in the world, and actually it's one

638
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: of the most elevated topics we've ever received. I'm shocked.

639
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Nori's topic is so postmodern and

640
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: gorgeous post modern. Yeah, I actually think this is the

641
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: sweet spot. You know, we have literal topics, you know,

642
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: we could do football, and we have postmodern topics such

643
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: as Nori's topic. This is almost between the sweet spot

644
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: in between, which is where you get the real fruitful discussion.

645
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: To mention the fruit. Wow, yeah, we're planting were Oh

646
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: my god, I say we're planting a seed. Literally, God,

647
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about how it came to

648
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: you and what about fermentation? To you? Is straight? Well,

649
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: my my mind immediately goes to Brad from the test kitchen,

650
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: the bone appetite test kitchen. Are you familiar with him?

651
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm not full disclosure, I'm not. I could, potentially, if

652
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: I were to witness him, recognize him. You know, it

653
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: can be so powerful to admit when you don't know something, George,

654
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: it can be so there. What I I'm trying to

655
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: say is you know I've seen the faces of these people.

656
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: I've never I've never done a deep dive. Yes, I

657
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: mean I know the gay one. I know, yes, of

658
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: course you know you know so he is a more straight.

659
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: He is a phallic, a phallic one, a phallic artist.

660
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: We'll see. I don't want to come from him, but no,

661
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: no like to me. To me, his choice of fermentation

662
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: is evasion, like of like of the kind of test

663
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: kitchen project. Like everyone I'm looking at him now, I

664
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: mean he us he's very he's very straight, but that's

665
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: not what I mean by palic. I I like, I think,

666
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: like the other chefs in the test kitchen are making

667
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: like actual food, like and he seems to have been

668
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: hired to be the kind of like more masks. Straight

669
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: presence makes straight guys mostly feel not gay for watching

670
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: test Kitchen videos, which, like you know, I think test

671
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: kitchen videos maybe it just might all be more straight

672
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: in general too, like than than they are. Okay, but

673
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: which is why I feel like I know them and

674
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: you don't because you're strange straight rare. I'm just looking

675
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: because I did it. I did a quick I quick

676
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Google image, and it's it really is like this is

677
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: someone doing straight drag. It is even the apron he

678
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 1: wears the apron or leather masculine work apron exactly, which

679
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: is also very kinky. Yes, and um kind of yeah, okay,

680
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: but I think the first yeah, I think fermentation is

681
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: actually like to me, like it always disappoints me when

682
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: that video comes up in the in the loop or

683
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: whatever the feed what do you, I don't know whatever

684
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: algorithm because because it isn't actually like I know that

685
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: it is. Fermentation is useful, but it has a kind

686
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: of like when he does it to me, it feels

687
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: kind of survivalist, right well, and it's almost it's not

688
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: just survivalist, it's a appropriate it's like fake. He's not

689
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: obviously not a survivalist exactly, he doesn't. He's doing it

690
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: to yeah, yeah, we all need to survive. But he's fine,

691
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: Like he's not like he doesn't need to like store

692
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: food for the winter. Right. If he doesn't ferment, he'll

693
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: be okay, yes, completely, like he's he will be at

694
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, whatever fucking fill in a restaurant in New

695
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: York via Coroda. Yes, exactly, he'll be at via Corota

696
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. He doesn't need to and at East Sodi

697
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Is all he does fermentation? Is he the

698
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: fermentation expert? I don't know how. There's also like kind

699
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: of like knife sharpening and like again it's like all

700
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: this like it's not a lot of like cooking sum Now.

701
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: I think fermentation is really like gorgeous. My boyfriend's twin brother, right,

702
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of crazy, trust me, it's wild.

703
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: My boyfriend's swin brother straight twin yes, yes, as a

704
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: beautiful wife and they live in like the woods in

705
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: Vermont and they have a kid, and they come by

706
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: their fermentation very earnestly. Like it's not like a lifestyle thing.

707
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: It's not a YouTuber thing. It's not an influencer thing.

708
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: It's actually like they have crops that they need to

709
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: like that they have an excess amount of that. The

710
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: need to like you know, ferment to like preserve them

711
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: and store them um, and they're like and they get

712
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: really interested in and they like do it in very

713
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: beautiful ways and they make it taste really good and

714
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: it's like heaven. So like you can come by fermentation beautifully.

715
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't wanna. I don't want

716
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: all I know, I know you have a lot of

717
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: fermentation listeners, and they're the most aggressive. Yeah yeah, yeah,

718
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: they're they're your biggest fans. Yeah, quite frankly, But um no,

719
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I really I think of

720
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: like I think of Brad and I think of that

721
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: that apron I think of like kind of like um

722
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: like yeah, like Carhart. I think of um survivalist stuff

723
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: like yeah yeah, so yeah, oh, and I think of

724
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: I think of Brooklyn restaurants in like two thousand and twelve,

725
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: it's Williamsburg and two thousand exactly. Yeah, it's like two thousand,

726
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: like ten through two thousand fourteen. It's a it's a

727
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: cousin of pickling, like it's it's in the same way

728
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: that the joke used to be, like hey where yes

729
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: exactly it's Portland. Its Portland, Yes, but it's still it persists. Nevertheless,

730
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: she persisted, yes, nevertheless. Well, then there's also, of course,

731
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: like offshoots of fermentation, like I mean, natural wine, which

732
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: like I think the three of us probably associate like

733
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: that with with like maybe some natural wine gaze, like

734
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: orange wine gaze, but there is actually a real kind

735
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: of bro natural wine contingent like foodie bro natural wine,

736
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: like yeah, because again it's like all these things are

737
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: food without the vulnerability of cooking or bacon. Yeah, it's food,

738
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: but saying no, homo, it's food, saying like exactly, it's

739
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: like I'm not a cook, cook, I'm just doing science.

740
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what. Yeah, this is what I Okay, we've

741
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: nailed it. That was my first thought. It was like,

742
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: in fact, the queerness of fermentation, of course, is that

743
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: it is a transformation narrative. Yes, but then the straightness

744
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: of it is that it's sign it you can hide

745
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: behind the sign like it is science. It's not an

746
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: art it is. You have to you have to literally

747
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: use beakers. Yes, yes, totally. And I want to be

748
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: absolutely clear now that you're bringing up queer fermentation or

749
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: the queer power of fermentation, but like I want like

750
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: there's also something like, for some reason, like equally despicable

751
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: to me about like queer people who were into fermentation,

752
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like like they're fucking Scobie. Oh,

753
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's very queer housing Facebook group completely.

754
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: The mother, the mother, the mother? What is the mother

755
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: the mother in when you're making like yes, okay, Okay,

756
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: here's the question. So does any old bottle of vinegar

757
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: does it come with a mother or does it develop

758
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: a mother over time? Because I have screamed pulling out

759
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: a bottle of vinegar from the back of the Oh god, yeah, cover,

760
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Well I do think that's it. Well, it certainly is fermented.

761
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Here's what I'm saying, We

762
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: don't know. Could you explain fermentation? Go? I'm offended you

763
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 1: an exactly. I don't know what I'm saying when I say,

764
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: what will you talk about when we're talking about ferment?

765
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: There is something heartening about the diversity of the types

766
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: of things that can be created with fermentation. You know, bread, wine, beer, yogurt, cheese, cheese,

767
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: Jesus fermentation. I feel sure if anything sits for a

768
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: long time, it's fermented. Right, Yeah, soy sauce is that fermented? Yes,

769
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm learning some much. I think the saddest form of

770
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: fermentation is um even the less scientific. I think it's

771
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: the brewing your own beer sort of a brew your

772
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: own beer kit potentially from target, sort of a four

773
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: Dads for Christmas. That to me is the peak straight

774
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: version and the part that is actually the saddest. It's

775
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: sort of like it's even back to the like hiding

776
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: behind not baking. It's like men crave to bake, men

777
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: want to bake any kind of kit. It actually makes

778
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: me want to cry with empathy for the people that

779
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: would purchase something like that. It really it is um.

780
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: It is a prison. Um. It is very masculine as

781
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: a prison for all involved. Hot prison. Don't get me wrong.

782
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't you lock me up and throw away the key.

783
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: It's it's certainly giving hbos odds. Let's say that, which

784
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: I've really got to tap into recently. I've been like

785
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Christopher malone an getting absolutely railed in a prisoner shower,

786
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: Like why haven't I been watching that? Do you know

787
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: the famous scene where he gets a blow job and

788
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: then he kills the person giving it to him. No,

789
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about oz. That's actually all I know.

790
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: And I know because um, when I was a teenager,

791
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin mentioned in one of our specials beautiful, that

792
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: was so nice. Well, I want to be clear though,

793
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: it's like I just don't want anything anyone to We're

794
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: talking about fermentation as it's like attached to certain like

795
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: cultural attitudes or like, you know, fermentation, Remove all of that.

796
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: Remove like remove the brad bonappetitest kitchen version of fermentation,

797
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: removed the Facebook queer, Facebook housing group, whatever. Like im

798
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: fermentation itself, we can all agree is a mystifying beautiful problems.

799
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. It's earth Mother. I wish I knew more

800
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: about it. I wish I knew how to do it.

801
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: I love you're saying that fermentation by itself is a

802
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: beautiful process. It's just a toxic fan base. It's like

803
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: fermentation as an identity, as an online identity, I think

804
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: is what I mean by like straight. Yeah, well, it's

805
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: similar to the way that nature on its own is beautiful, stunning, iconic,

806
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: and it's a slay of course. Um it is crowned

807
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: queen of all queens. And yet when a man gets

808
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: his hands on it, suddenly we're building tents that are

809
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: bright orange. Yes. Yeah, it's like why it like becomes

810
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: republican all of a sudden. It's like, can't we this

811
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: can be beautiful, we can all have this, but it's

812
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: republican absolutely, and also we thank the men who have

813
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: like pickled turnips, you know, for the winter, like we

814
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: thank you because like I was hungry, Yeah, thank you,

815
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: and you gave and you fed me turnips, like I

816
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: really do appreciate like like that kind of that knee

817
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: to like you know, seclude yourself in the garage and

818
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: like and buy the kit and pickled the turnips. Like

819
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: we also thank you because I did eat in those

820
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: restaurants and from two thousand tens to two thousand four

821
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and I you know, and I also the flavor palette

822
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: of something that has been fermented is it's a it's great. Yeah,

823
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: it's like the umami alone. It's insane. It's insane. What

824
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: it is y'all's relationship to like to yogurt? Just nodding. No, No,

825
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm actually not at you can't tell me on my screen.

826
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm nodding towards Sam. You're like, Sam, this is your

827
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Do you do your yogurt? Do your five on yogurts? No,

828
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: I would argue, I actually love yogurt. Um I think

829
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: one day I would argue, I actually I treat it

830
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: almost as if it's medicine. I think this is making

831
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: my I fully bought into the like gut health propaganda.

832
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: I don't think you know if I really investigate the thought.

833
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's true, but when I'm eating a

834
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: yogurt and it's true. No, it's true. Okay, it's true.

835
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: Now it's true. I feel similarly. I love a yogurt,

836
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: but I um, sometimes you hit a wall and you're like,

837
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: I've had I've had too many mornings in a row. Yeah. Um.

838
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: I also want to point out, George, I actually used

839
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Speaker 1: to have not one, not too but three straight up

840
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: yogurt puns in my stand up. Wow, can I guess one? Yeah?

841
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: Dan and fruit I'm a bottom. Wait, I think I

842
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: think Dan and fruit on the bottom. Um, No, I

843
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: had a ship. One is about one is definitely about

844
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: the word culture. They're all about one brand. They're about

845
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: one brand. Is one of them not about like toxic

846
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: culture or something siggies. We have to guess the brand?

847
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fact, No, come on, come on, go obvious.

848
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: Imagine me uncultured Greek yogurt or just yogurt yogurt. See

849
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: I go Greek first? George, you herman? Okay um oh

850
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: yo play no Dan? Wait, what's the one? There is

851
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: a more obvious one that we're not gonna go. I know,

852
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: there's like big yogurt. Don't fucking tell us. This is

853
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: like the guessing when we're going on vacation all over again,

854
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: I know, but more fun in order. Um um, Dannon

855
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: fucking you play? Can I say what it starts with?

856
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Can you be used sea? Yeah? Course, which is millennial yogurt? Yeah?

857
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: Show me the bond That's what I was The branding

858
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: is so millennial interesting. Show me the bonnie. Yeah. Okay,

859
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: so that was one. Oh that was the fun. Okay

860
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: that Um. I would say, my body is chow bonny.

861
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I had a last one. Oh no, it's been it's

862
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: been over. I would say five years since. So I

863
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: forget the third one, but I'll look it up. I

864
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: have it somewhere. You know. Chobani has a store, honey.

865
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I've seen people take pictures there. It's it's horrifying. It's

866
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: like it's like a and you and you. Literally it's

867
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: just Chobani yogurt, but then you like choose your toppings

868
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: as if it's a pink berry. Oh. I didn't realize

869
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: a store where you Oh, I thought just a store

870
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: where they sold prepackaged yogurt. That's what I thought, too well.

871
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know what I'm talking as

872
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: if I know what I'm talking you've never been well,

873
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: but I'm almost positive there's there's a you pick your

874
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: chibani base and then you pig toppings. I hope to

875
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: god it's more like the way retail is now, where

876
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: it's the storefront, doesn't it's not real like it's four

877
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: Instagram Yes, yeah, for tourists, yeah, well it's the Museum

878
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: of ice Cream. John talk about it, talk about a

879
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: turning point truly to talk about them all, whereas like

880
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: culture is dead now, it's so rare that you can

881
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: really point to something. And I really and I'm not

882
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: just saying this because we're talking about it. I come

883
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: back to the Museum of ice Cream often as a

884
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: turning point. I have a huge one as a turning point.

885
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: Little Sunshine, what do you what? How do you mean?

886
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: Just this was to me? Little Miss Sunshine is like

887
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: the end of film where it's like it's the whole

888
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: kind of like Journey a Little Miss Sunchion of like

889
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: oh the Little Indeed That Could that then gets bought

890
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: for tons of money and actually it gets released in

891
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: theaters and becomes just like Sleeper Hit and it's this

892
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: quirky indeed got less independent film. Thank god we have

893
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: places like sun Dance to foster these kind of independent

894
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: visions and storytelling. And then it became this huge hit

895
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: and then it's like why were there so many celebrities

896
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: in it? It's during the literally it's like it's like

897
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: it's like giant celebs and then it's maybe not giant,

898
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: but no Tony Collette, hello, Steve Carell, Alan Arkin, m

899
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: Paul Dano, huge name, but like but it to me,

900
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: it's like that then became the way that people reverse

901
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: engineer indies. I mean yes, and then I would say

902
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: Juno was like exactly the nail on the coffin completely.

903
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a movie that resembles an indie

904
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: so that it was the end of like the nineties

905
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: independent film era. Yes, it's like you and it's it's

906
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: just another way for corporations to like make a movie

907
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: that that like outwardly appears like it has some sort

908
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: of authentic, independent, organic spirit, but it actually was just

909
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: like it's just one path towards like making tons of money.

910
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: It's like a different alternative path towards getting bought and

911
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: then distributed and you know, and so all movies now

912
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: feel like this kind of fake, quirky, mumbly naturalistic, kind

913
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: of like family with like, you know, we're a family.

914
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Hey, I say, really going off alarm?

915
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we haven't rung the going off alarm?

916
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: And like over a year everyone's been so afraid to

917
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: going We're I'm officially ringing. Now do you add it

918
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: in post? You know that would be really smart? And

919
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: maybe now we will. I think now now now that

920
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: we finally have a budget, we will. Before it was

921
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: sort of like a budget from the Patreon or did

922
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: y'all get bought? We got bought? Is that okay? Okay,

923
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's okay. By whom John this entire thing?

924
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: You think we're having an organic conversation. Ads are going

925
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: to be interspersed between each syllable. We're trying to push

926
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: the limits of how many ads can fit into one

927
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: podcast episode. We're trying to do. It's going to be

928
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: mostly ads, with breaks for you being like you know

929
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 1: about little Miss Sunshine, and then it's back to add

930
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm honored, thank you. I really I don't want to

931
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: beat this to the ground, but I really love this

932
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: idea of moments when you when we knew culture was over,

933
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: me too, and I suddenly am I think we can

934
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: look at one more together. Yeah that's how I that's

935
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: how I feel that was. And and did you see

936
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: how that question killed it? Yeah? I know, it just

937
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: absolutely sucked the air. And I'm so sorry. This is

938
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: what it's like. An obvious one would be. Let's say

939
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: if I was like the Netflix show, is this cake exactly?

940
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: No, No No, But that's actually misinterpreting the fact that that's

941
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 1: actually trying to be a joke itself, Like it needs

942
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: to be an earnest entry into culture in the way

943
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: that little Miss Sunshine. This is tough. Yeah, so we

944
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: have little Miss Sunshine and we have the museum of

945
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: Museum from ice Cream, so stupid. Oh wait, wait no, no,

946
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: no wait oh. I was like, I was just thinking

947
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: about like a certain I was thinking about this the

948
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: other day, and I want you might disagree with me,

949
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: but I think the Beyonce album The New One is

950
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: the death of queer culture, just like the and not

951
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: even the death. It's like it's been it's been dead, honey,

952
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: but it's like, but this is the final nail. Yeah. Well, Similarly,

953
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, is there, I feel like we could there's

954
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: like a drag race moment that that also maybe even

955
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: when they did the first speaking lip sync, no, I

956
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: actually thought that was genius and I was like, this

957
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: is breathing life back into queer culture. Finally, when was

958
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: that the first speaking I was literally like three weeks ago.

959
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: My god, that's well great. I understand and respect what

960
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: you're saying about the I understand. I loveday to love Beyonce,

961
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: and I wait, no, no, I think it's I think

962
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: it's actually like exactly right because it essentially is elevated

963
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: Melissa Edwards track. I mean, and I would kill for

964
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: a Melissa Edwards version of these songs. But it's just

965
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: it's like I just kind of can't believe people are

966
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: talking about it as if it's doing anything like revolutionary

967
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: at all. Like, but that's how it is with Beyonce.

968
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: It you kind of have to like write like literally people,

969
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: it's like people are normal, and then Beyonce it happens

970
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: and they enter this dream space where they're kind of

971
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: like free associating. We'll see this is such a millennial

972
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: thing that I hate, which is like and Beyonce is

973
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: so fucking linked to it, which is like hyperbole, like

974
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: and I am I'm gonna I'm gonna do this five

975
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: more time. I'll do it constantly through the end of

976
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: the episode. I'm going to do it tonight at home.

977
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, like I I am a huge perpetrator of

978
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: this very thing. But like, but it's just even just now,

979
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm a huge perpetrator. Like you know, it's like like yeah,

980
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, like like there's something about like Beyonce in

981
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: the Internet and millennials in media and like two thousand

982
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: fourteen or two thirteen where it's like Beyonce is literally

983
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: the most amazing person on the planet. That's a horrible example.

984
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys could do funnier versions of it,

985
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know what I'm talking about. It's

986
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: like it's you can only talk about Beyonce in this way.

987
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: That's like she is she is Christ and I'm gagged

988
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: and I'm dead and locked me up in a coffin,

989
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: you know whatever. It's it's the Beyonce. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

990
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: um help help John, you're pointing out I think we're

991
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: really only now starting to feel the utter shock waves

992
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: of the early two tens. I think before it was

993
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: like this is a flash in the pan, and now

994
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: it's like now it's adult, and now it's like, this

995
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: is the real world. We've created a world and uh,

996
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: we have a living well. It's like and it's like

997
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: a kind of it's it's just an extension of adolescence.

998
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: Like it's a kind of way of staying a teenager

999
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: your whole life. Like it's like millennials being in their

1000
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: twenties and being in media and being like, no, I'm

1001
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: I still want to yeah, because we're in a permanent

1002
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: adolescence on the apps, you know, on on Instagram. Well,

1003
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: and that's what I what I was gonna mentioned is

1004
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: like it can't exist outside of the ecosystem of the

1005
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: Internet because in fact, the reason why you get rewarded

1006
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: for hyperbole is because you're constantly competing with other things

1007
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: people are saying. So the only way to get noticed

1008
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: is you have to be what are you gonna do? Right,

1009
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: Like I thought this was a good effort. Period, you're

1010
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: gonna get the police will show up and shoot you

1011
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: in your home. You can't that's not an acceptable opinion. Wow,

1012
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: And that's an example right there. No but I know,

1013
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: I guess I just I'm kind of like I listened again.

1014
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: I really Beyonce was extremely important to me. Like I

1015
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: love Beyonce and I really do. I mean, hello, my Instagram,

1016
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: it's your name. Hello. I honor her even in my Instagram.

1017
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I just like she is

1018
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: very like her, kind of like type A nous her

1019
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of like Tracy flick Nous is like very beautiful

1020
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: to me. It always has been completely like, but there

1021
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: is just something. Okay, the doorbell rang, and I need

1022
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: I need like two minutes and you can honestly keep

1023
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: this and let them and let the time. This is ferment.

1024
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: So how do you think John's doing? Be honest? Can

1025
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: you can you hear literally the pigeons fighting? No, I

1026
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: can't hear them. Is it really loud like you? I

1027
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: can't hear it at all. They are they are literally fighting.

1028
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: Their feathers are like they're like slapping one another. It's

1029
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: fully it is fight club. I cannot believe. There's like

1030
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: nothing I can do. I'm gonna literally throw something at

1031
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: the window and maybe to like get a squirt model

1032
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: give them a little squirt, say hey, calm down, it's truly,

1033
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: it's truly insane. Um. Anyway to answer your question, yea,

1034
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: how's John doing? Do you think? Be honest, you won't

1035
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: hear this. You won't never hear it. I mean, oh

1036
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: hear door? No? Really, how's he doing? Hello? And so

1037
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't agree with anything he said. What? Oh? Nothing.

1038
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: So we were talking about we were just kind of

1039
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: jumping off of something you said. Yeah, we were just

1040
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: sort of agreeing and sort of um, expanding and expounding.

1041
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: I love that. Which do you prefer expandanding or expounding? Expanding? Yeah,

1042
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: well you have your phallic nature all over again? Expanding expanding,

1043
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Um No, I was talking about the

1044
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: type a trace of who cares? I all. Look, all

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01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying is this. I just like, how can you

1046
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: not hear as anything other than someone just like cynically

1047
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: tapping into a market and like, you know, which is fine.

1048
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: It's always like all pop music is that, and all

1049
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: like kind of like pop divas and like at a

1050
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: certain point in their careers just being like, Okay, I'm

1051
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: now officially for the gays. It's I'm not saying that's

1052
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: like I mean, of course, duh, I'm not like I

1053
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: don't feel betrayed by it or anything. I just can't

1054
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: believe people are talking about it as if it's like

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01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: absolutely revolutionary even though we've been living in like for

1056
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: years we've been And also it just this is my

1057
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: biggest problem with it. It feels so educational in the

1058
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: way that RuPaul has always been, Like, now, gather around

1059
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: this is what little you know, little EATI and Big

1060
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: Eaty everyone, let's you know, like everyone gather around that.

1061
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, ball culture is from the this in Harlem.

1062
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm so sick of this condescension. Like

1063
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy, I guess that people are like teaching

1064
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: the kids about what, But I'm also just like, why

1065
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: does it have to come? Why does that like fucking

1066
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: Sesame Street? And I feel like the album feels like

1067
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: Sesame Street a little bit, like it's just a little

1068
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: bit like and now I teach you about like how

1069
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's like and it's like and every and

1070
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: then and then what happens is she's just creating, like

1071
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: by doing that on the album, then she knows she's

1072
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: creating an entire industry of YouTubers going. So when Beyonce

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01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: says House of the Bisha. But she's referencing is ball culture,

1074
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it's in TikTok. She's

1075
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: just it's just plugged into TikTok. It's just her. It's

1076
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: so now all these TikTokers are going so like this

1077
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: is actually rooted in a history of ball culture in

1078
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: the in the eighties. In her, it's like it's just

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: like it's so, it just doesn't It's just corny to me.

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01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: It's corny. Yeah, Carney, Well that I mean, I think

1081
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: is to be clear, I'm just gathering my thoughts and

1082
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: when I'm maybe once the episode has ended, but he

1083
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: will be ready. Okay. Also, I can I also keep

1084
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: talking about it. I'm so sorry. Please feel fre to

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01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: edit all. No, no, no no, I actually I'm so happy. Okay. Well,

1086
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: we started on fermentation, like trying to talk about street culture,

1087
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: and yet all my rages directed towards Gil and yeah

1088
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 1: we're talking about literally Beyonce basically like I just you know, yes,

1089
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: it did it like the kind of the the internet,

1090
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: like kind of digesting break myself and being like and

1091
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: also like talking about like sorry, just all these videos

1092
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: that came out like right and when break myself out

1093
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: that were like, so this, so here's like listicals, listicals

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: of like kind of house music from the nineties, you know,

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: and like and maybe some people really don't know what

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01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: that is and that's okay, and I'm they're learning because

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01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: I genuinely love that music, but like I don't know

1098
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: just the tone of it. It's so so it has

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: It did work on me, though. It did make me

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: want to go back and hear Robin s and like C. C.

1101
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: Penniston and um, it's always so hard to say it.

1102
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: And then and then um, you know Crystal Waters or whatever,

1103
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: and like I go, I went back to the songs.

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: It worked on me. I went back to songs. It's

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01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: really nice to hear how just like thematically simple they are,

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01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: like on a lyrical level, they're just about like heartbreak

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 1: or like you're on a dance floor exactly, but which

1108
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: is actually my over intellectualizing them does them a disservice

1109
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: because they're not meant to be over intellectually totally. And

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01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: then but then also I like lyrically, I'm just like

1111
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative of their like simplicity and the fact

1112
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: that they're like just always tapping into the universal of

1113
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: like heartbreak or falling in love instead of like the

1114
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of break my soul thing, which is so it's

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01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: it's also zying and frenzied and like kind of generally

1116
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: just like about empowerment and about you know what I mean,

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: and and that and I so much of the album

1118
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: is about empowerment in a way that I'm just like

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01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: it just continually shocks me that, like people don't feel

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01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: devastated by like empowering music, because it's like it's to me,

1121
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: like there's now there's no difference between that and you

1122
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: know an American Express commercial like where there's like a voguer,

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01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like that's like, how how

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01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: like there it's no longer distinguished. Well, the same fucking designers, photographers, cinematographers,

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01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: stylists are working on the Beyonce video and on the

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01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: American Express commercial they're doing. It's the exact same aesthetic there.

1127
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: It's the same people generating the content, and like one

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01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: is like and so it's like, how why don't you

1129
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: feel devastated? Why don't you feel betrayed? Like I do

1130
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: feel betrayed. I said I didn't, but I do you know,

1131
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: like I'm just like I don't know, I just don't.

1132
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe someone now when they're like claimed

1133
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: to be championing, championing or fermenting, you know what I mean,

1134
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: Like these like like marginalized voices when it's like it

1135
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: will this just feels so indistinguishable from a Nike commercial.

1136
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know. That's why I'm like, yes,

1137
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: take me back to just when the song was about,

1138
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: like heartbreak and also my big complaint that I'm done

1139
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: George because I wanted. My big complaint is literally, just

1140
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: like those singers could, like if it's dance music, you

1141
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: actually need to be quiet at some point and let

1142
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: the group play. You literally just like need to let

1143
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: the beat play so that you can dance. Beyonce literally

1144
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: cannot be quiet. She has to inject. She has to

1145
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: inject every single moment with the little melisma, a little

1146
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: layer of melisma of right, right, if only if only

1147
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: we of us could silence her exactly, Yeah, what she

1148
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: needs is to be silent, specifically by by the three

1149
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: of us. Yes, yes, yeah, more white. But then, of

1150
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: course I think about her back in Destiny joone, she

1151
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 1: was actually always doing that, and so that makes me

1152
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: kind of once again feel charitable towards her and actually

1153
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: very endeared. She's always been like, right, No, I actually

1154
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: think what you're like, what you're pointing to in general,

1155
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: is more like it's like a systemic critique rather than

1156
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: a criticulous Beyonce. I actually think Beyonce is like going

1157
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: right where she needs to be going. It is a

1158
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: natural progression of who she was in like when she

1159
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: first entered the scene, and it ultimately is not her

1160
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: fault that the people she worked with also work with

1161
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: American Express. However, it is disorienting to be in this

1162
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: kind of like media surround where it's just like you're

1163
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: getting the same images and messages from from everywhere. Yes,

1164
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: and so going back to the condescending tone of the

1165
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: articles that you were talking about, you can also kind

1166
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: of never tell how genuine someone anyone is ever being

1167
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 1: about how they talk when they talk about anything. Totally,

1168
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: you can never tell even when they're doing like the

1169
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: educational thing, are they being earnest? Are they being kind

1170
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: of like in this kind of like stand twitter way,

1171
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: kind of like she invented music. Of course, I don't

1172
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: think someone saying that think is being earnest and in fact,

1173
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 1: it's like stupid for me to disagree with and be like,

1174
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: actually she didn't yeah yeah, right right, But you're kind

1175
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: of like it's almost postmodern and it's like there are

1176
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: no um yeah signify. It's totally totally It's like it's

1177
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: like impossible. It's like designed so that you can't talk

1178
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: about it. It's literally like what are we talking about?

1179
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean what you say like that's you know, it's

1180
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: it's very sad because like, yeah, well, I just want

1181
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: to say that as someone who decided to come out

1182
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: after seeing a particularly moving American Express commercial, I stand Beyonce.

1183
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: She can hit me with a semi track, and I'm

1184
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: gagging for you, Mamasita. I just I mean, I just

1185
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: also have to let these ideas kind of like ferm it,

1186
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: you know exactly. You gotta let them, you gotta let

1187
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: them from it. I'm I can't believe you chose this

1188
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: very podcast and a privilege to do this sort of

1189
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: Beyonce rant. I'm so this will be shared for We're

1190
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: going to clip just your monologue and use it for

1191
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: promo purposes. Yeah, god no, I'm no, but I think

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: what you're saying like you can't. Like it's really hard

1193
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,839
Speaker 1: because everyone only speaks in hyperbole about this kind of music.

1194
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: And I just mean like any kind of and I

1195
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: mean like guys talk about like do the music. You know,

1196
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to know if anyone's actually it

1197
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: feels like you're in this kind of death grip or

1198
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: this like like, um, we're all holding each other at gunpoint,

1199
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: where like no one can actually express it like they're

1200
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: actually experiencing pleasure or anything. I think it's also I

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: don't it's I almost don't even. I'm almost like it's

1202
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: not even hyperbole. It's actually like a different set of

1203
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: language rules, like you are. It's not that you are

1204
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: speaking in hyperbole in the English language. It's that you

1205
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: are entering this other dreamscape where this is now how

1206
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: we talk for the sake of this conversation, and when

1207
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: it's time to give the presentation at work, we can

1208
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: go back to English. Yeah, oh brother, but yeah yogurt.

1209
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: I mean so in terms of yogurt yogurt, we can't

1210
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: go back to frontation. I actually think we've fed the children. Um,

1211
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: we've given them a show. We turned it out, and

1212
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 1: I think um, actually we have to do Oh my god, Okay,

1213
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: I was expecting is that? No, I'm so really time wise?

1214
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: You are I do have to go soon? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1215
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: well you should have thought about that, are you? You know?

1216
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: And thank you for saying that, because I've been waiting

1217
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: for you to open up. This can't worms Okay, I'll

1218
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: do it. George did the other segments, and I'll do

1219
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: this one. And then by the way, I have a

1220
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: segment at the end of that. Yeah, you were asked

1221
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: to come up with one. Okay, John. Our final segment

1222
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: is called shout Outs, and in it we give a

1223
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: shout out to anything that we are enjoying. In the

1224
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: homage of straight culture, we uh shout out in the

1225
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: style imagine it two thousand one. You're in Time Square

1226
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: at TRL shouting out to your squad back home about

1227
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: anything that you enjoy. And I have one whoa, you know,

1228
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: As is the tradition, we don't think of them ahead

1229
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: of time. And I'm just now really kind of really

1230
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: hitting a wall. What can I ask? Is it here's

1231
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: some time for you to think us just have Samson

1232
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: George start thinking now, Um, please? Is it? Is it?

1233
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: Is it? Something in straight culture that we want to

1234
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: shout out to, or just anything at all, anything at all.

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01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: What's straight about it is just the form of the

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01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: It's like a homage to that got it. But I'll

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: start yeah, okay, what a beautiful voice. Thank you. What's up?

1238
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 1: Freak solutions and perverts and everyone around the glove? WHOA.

1239
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: I would like to give a huge shout out to

1240
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: a small, tiny couple of coffee. Everyone in this nation

1241
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 1: is go go and they want a big gulp of coffee.

1242
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at a little cup of coffee and

1243
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, this won't drive me crazy. It's a nice treat.

1244
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: You can actually then have it later in the evening

1245
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: because it's just a little bit of coffee. Get yourself

1246
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: a small cup of coffee. It's more versatile. You don't

1247
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: need you reject productivity culture. Get a little cup of

1248
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: coffee and enjoy it and say maybe I'll be sleep

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01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: in an hour and a half and that's okay. Allow

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01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: yourself to be sleepy and have the flavor of coffee

1251
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: and a little bit of caffeine. We are obsessed with

1252
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: big cups. It's toxic, it's balance. Enjoy a small cup

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: of coffee. I love you. All right, let's see do

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: you want me to go No, No, this is that

1255
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: would just going to get That would be insane for

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01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: you to even suggest that. Oh my god, that would

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: honestly like make you not a guest anymore. It would

1258
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: make you a co host. You would be and that

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: would just be such a different vibe. We'd have to

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: do a photo shoot. It would be crazy. Um, we

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01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: have to do a photo Okay, all right, okay, all right,

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01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 1: yeah say that. Wait I literally just had oh my god,

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01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: literally okay, no, this is everyone's favorite part of the podcast.

1264
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: That's happened once every few months. I know you've got this. Okay, okay, okay,

1265
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick chat. First of all,

1266
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: let me say this, what's up bitch ors out there?

1267
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: And let me say this actually, since I've now started talking,

1268
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to not

1269
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: committing to one signature thing and having that for your personality.

1270
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 1: And this is where I'm coming from with this my

1271
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: entire life. I ordered a vodka martini slightly dry without

1272
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: slightly dirty with all its I then switched to a

1273
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: jin martini with a twist, and I actually thought that

1274
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 1: offered something different, something I wasn't getting before, from the vodka,

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01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: from the olives, And then my immediate thought was, oh,

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01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: so now I'm a jin Martini person. But no, We're

1277
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: all different, we all are constantly evolving. That is something

1278
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: Beyonce taught me in her expansive uvra. And I can

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01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: actually go to a restaurant tomorrow, go back to vodka.

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: I can go to a restaurant to day after that,

1281
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: go back to gin. I can actually go get a

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01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: Gin martini with a twist and asked for olives on

1283
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: the side, has a little snack and not worry about

1284
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: the fact that the two flavors are clashing. I can

1285
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: decide I'm a short shorts person. Next day I'm wearing

1286
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: vintage long baggy shorts. Not everything is about self branding

1287
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: and you can be whoever you want on any given day. Wow,

1288
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: you have to decolonize your mind and you have to

1289
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: order different cocktails on different days of the week. WHOA,

1290
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: that is so powerful. That really speaks to how we

1291
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: put ourselves in little cages. It's so and I've been

1292
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: like that since I was a kid, Just like like, well,

1293
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: I only wear khakis and guess what I'm wearing today, Okay,

1294
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: like I'm literally like I am still, I'm just the

1295
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: exact same, just muted color palette like grays and brown

1296
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: soft browns and grays and like don't look at me.

1297
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: But um well, I was thinking about it, actually exactly

1298
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: what you were saying before, John, about the extended adolescents,

1299
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: because it is an adolescent impulse to be like this

1300
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: is my favorite band, this is how I dressed totally,

1301
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: this is my vibe. Yes, In some ways, as you

1302
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: grow older, you gravitates a more specific personality, but you

1303
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: also can expand rather than the contract totally. Much like

1304
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: the podcast today, I think was like a beautiful exercise

1305
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: and that we came on trying to critique straight culture

1306
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: via fermentation and ferma. I do think fermentation is an

1307
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: apt metaphor for expanding as it is and and becoming

1308
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: something different and more complex and alcoholic right chares to

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01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: that chers s girls, I love our martinis. We're having

1310
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 1: Martini's on vacation, that's a given. Oh my god, we're

1311
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: having you know what else I'm gonna make margarita. I

1312
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: didn't tell me where you're making Margharita's really make I'm

1313
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna make margaritas. We'll tell you off, Mike, can you

1314
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: tell me and then just leap it out. That's so obvious.

1315
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,520
Speaker 1: I cannot believe I didn't think that. I'm so stupid.

1316
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's exciting. This is our first time really

1317
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: going on vacation together. Yeah, could be drama. They're ready.

1318
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: There will be drama. We're going with our significant others

1319
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: and another gay couple that I've never met before. You

1320
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: never met them, well you you actually, but maybe talk

1321
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: to one on SCUREF. I chatted with one of them

1322
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: on scraft whereas I've actually never seen either of them sexually.

1323
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I saw him. Actually,

1324
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: maybe I was just being nice. Anyway, keep on beat

1325
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: that beat that he comes back from vacation. He's like,

1326
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to Sam's podcast. He's like, I had

1327
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: so much fun getting to know him and having sex

1328
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: with him, and then it says I never thought him

1329
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: he was just being nice. Um, that was a joke.

1330
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually don't know our relationship. Um,

1331
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: we haven't. It hasn't. Yeah, we haven't decided yet what

1332
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,480
Speaker 1: your relationship will be. Yeah, but after a few margaritas

1333
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: lash martinis. We'll check back in. Wait, so did you

1334
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: say Jin with a twist? Because that is my drink

1335
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: and I need to like, oh so oh, this is

1336
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: actually another element of this, right, So, Jin with a

1337
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: twist that's my current, that's the mode I currently. I

1338
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: meant after a lot of my pretty much my entire

1339
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: twenties being vodka slightly dirty, I then switched to Gin

1340
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: with a twist. I'm Jin with olives, but I miss olives.

1341
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: Get olives in the gin, babe. It's tough because then

1342
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: you hear from bartenders that Jin you should It's like

1343
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: Jin goes better with a twist. They're trying to get keep.

1344
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: It's toxic age and you know what else you can

1345
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 1: get both. You can literally get whatever. These people, Johnny,

1346
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: please stop me, are very ready. Yeah, what's up you guys.

1347
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm John Early originally from Nashville, Tennessee. Um, but I've

1348
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,560
Speaker 1: lived to New York primarily and then to took a

1349
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: little tiarn in l A. I'm hoping to come back

1350
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: to New York as soon as possible. Um. I want

1351
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: to shout out Carrie Russell. Um. I've recently finished all

1352
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: of the Americans, and I'm I'm so stunned and so

1353
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: moved by her performance. Um, she's taught me incredible things,

1354
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: UM about such as like such as in Iraq and

1355
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: Asian countries and like such a Um, she taught me

1356
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: amazing things. She's taught me amazing things such as, um,

1357
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: the power of control. A lot of actors really rely

1358
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 1: on being so lucy, goosey and kind of free spirits

1359
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: to find to to emote. But I feel like Carrie

1360
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: Russell finds emotion through actually extreme control and it's um

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01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: and and she finds her way to a state of

1362
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: being uncontrolled through control. I also want to say she

1363
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: avoids cliche at every turn. She has never once been

1364
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 1: cliche and um, she is so graceful and there's something

1365
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: really beautiful about the way that she's also like a

1366
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: power house TV actress, meaning there's a kind of element

1367
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,799
Speaker 1: of being a workhorse involved that I find very moving

1368
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: and less glamorous than being a movie actress. UM. Anyway,

1369
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: the Americans, I really I really want all my friends

1370
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: back home to check it out and thank you guys

1371
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: so much. Talk about respecting the craft. Okay, now I've

1372
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: seen everything. I love her so much. I'm like madly

1373
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: in love with her right now, and obviously it was

1374
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: huge for me. But the Americans, I'm like, people say,

1375
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: it's so good, you know, The Americans is one of

1376
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: do you hear that? No, so pigeon, I hear it.

1377
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 1: You don't hear it, you can hear anyway. Um, it's

1378
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: actually nuts. They're truly like there are three of them

1379
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: fighting there. I can see there, I'm not exaggerating, and

1380
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: see their wings like slapping one another. I'm not kidding. Well,

1381
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: I wish I could join the camera anyway. I have

1382
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: heard it's The Americans is one of those shows and

1383
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: one of those actually cultural products where it's like all

1384
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: people you think are like the smartest recommended to you,

1385
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: don't you feel I mean, I yes, No, it's it's

1386
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: like a kind of it's an undersung prestige exactly like

1387
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: it's as good as like, it's as good as mad Men,

1388
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: as good as Sopranos. I'm sorry, it's breaking bad. Never

1389
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: seen it, but never will actually all right, sorry, you

1390
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: must watch Americans. I will, and you'll maybe think the

1391
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: first episode like, oh this isn't really for me, and

1392
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: that's okay, and I'll kind of leave it, but you

1393
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: gotta push through. I think I did watch the first episode.

1394
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I watched a couple of times. I was like, no,

1395
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then you're like, it reveals itself.

1396
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: It's stunning. Do you feel it's critical enough of like like,

1397
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: is it coming from a very American point of view? No,

1398
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: it's that's what's also deeply excited. I mean, like it's interesting.

1399
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: Part of what's very exciting about it is it's like

1400
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: it's especially exotic to watch now post kind of Trump

1401
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 1: era and also this the current war in Ukraine, because

1402
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's very not Rusophobic, it's like very much

1403
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, sympathetic obviously towards communism. Um,

1404
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 1: it's really it's really exciting, and it's very as a

1405
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: very gentle and sometimes a very scathing critique of America too. Well,

1406
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: I'm ready, But it's mostly about family, which we can

1407
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: all get behind, no matter if you're Democrat, Republican or

1408
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: anything in between. As queer people, we make our own

1409
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: family American express. So so go out there and vote,

1410
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: get out there. If you're in line, stay in line.

1411
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: Thank you John for doing our podcast. It has been

1412
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: genuinely an honor. I don't know why I'm talking like

1413
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm um bored. I It's been so fun and we

1414
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: really appreciate you doing it. Thank you. I'm just I'm

1415
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to upload my file, which is not what

1416
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: I should say on air, but this is a process

1417
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: pod we like stuff like. Yeah. No, it's been very

1418
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: very meta to the whole time. Um, I love you guys.

1419
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: This is so much fun. I feel like we went

1420
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: to unexpected places, much like the process of fermentation. And

1421
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to take my fingernails and I'm going to

1422
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: put some apples on your finger on them and see

1423
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, maybe sprinkle them on top of a talk. Yeah.

1424
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: Do you stigmatize fingernails? Do you stick and embrace fermentation

1425
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: all in one? Um? Well, it has been truly an honor.

1426
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm serious. I did forget that your fingernails

1427
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: have been sitting in front of you the whole time.

1428
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: That is kind of a s've been in a teeny

1429
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 1: tiny little pile. I love, like, like like pretty matches. John,

1430
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: Can you take a picture that we can put on

1431
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: our Instagram? Absolutely, I'll send you a picture. Yeah, but

1432
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: it pretty matches the Sara Jessica Parker's UM Production company

1433
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: and on that and that that's when you cut out

1434
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: and cut to the music. Okay, okay, fine, um okay,

1435
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: that's the right