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Speaker 1: This is twenty four a weekly highlight reel from the

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things the

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Speaker 1: election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck. Trump remains

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Speaker 2: on trial in New York City. Lots of construction workers,

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Speaker 2: big Trump fans, a lot of positivity there. But I

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Speaker 2: want to play for you the big story here. And

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Speaker 2: I went and read the New York Times coverage just

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Speaker 2: to confirm that, Yeah, the hearing went about like Buck and.

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Speaker 3: I told you that it did.

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Speaker 2: Because if even the Supreme Court headline on the New

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Speaker 2: York Times is conservative majority seems ready to limit election

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Speaker 2: case against Trump, such a ruling would probably send it

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Speaker 2: back to a lower court and delay any trial until

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Speaker 2: after the November election. So if the New York Times

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Speaker 2: is telling you a couple of hours later what Buck

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Speaker 2: and I told you at the top of the show

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Speaker 2: was likely to be the case, I'm even more convinced

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Speaker 2: that our analysis of this is on point, because this

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Speaker 2: is not what the New York Times wants to write.

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Speaker 2: This is not what the New York Times wants to report.

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Speaker 2: And Buck, I pulled one line that I thought was

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Speaker 2: interesting from the New York Times article here, and I

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Speaker 2: do think it's significant.

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Speaker 3: We're writing a rule for the ages.

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Speaker 2: Justice Gore Sutch said, a lot of focus on Trump,

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Speaker 2: deservedly so, but whatever precedent is put in place here,

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Speaker 2: the principle of that precedent will apply for years and

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Speaker 2: years to come. And we've got some audio that I

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Speaker 2: think goes a long way towards establishing exactly what I

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Speaker 2: am talking about. From Justice Gorsuch himself, I want to

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Speaker 2: start this is earlier today. What exact presidential immunity might

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Speaker 2: Trump have as it pertains to the charges brought by

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Speaker 3: How do you draw that line? Where should the line be?

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Speaker 2: Gorsuch talks about the history here and says, I want

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Speaker 2: to think about how this will apply going forward.

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Speaker 3: Listen to Cut twenty four.

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Speaker 4: The same thing in Nixon, we said, Gosh, Nixon versus Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 4: that's something court shouldn't get engaged in because presidents have

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Speaker 4: all manner of motives. And again, I'm not concerned about

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Speaker 4: this case, but I am concerned about future uses of

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Speaker 4: the criminal law to target political opponents based on accusations

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Speaker 4: about their motives, whether it's reelection or who knows what

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Speaker 4: corrupt means in fifteen twelve. Right, we don't know what

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Speaker 4: that means. Maybe we'll find out sometime soon. But the

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Speaker 4: dangerousness of accusing you're a political opponent, of having bad motives,

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Speaker 4: and if that's enough to overcome your core powers or

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Speaker 2: Fabulously well said Buck. I mean, that's gorsiic. I've got

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Speaker 2: a couple more I want to play. But this goes

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Speaker 2: to we're not just deciding Trump. We're deciding what the

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Speaker 2: precedent should be for presidents that will serve hopefully long

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Speaker 2: into the future after anyone listening to this right now

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Speaker 2: is gone.

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Speaker 5: Who's your favorite justice on the Court right now?

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Speaker 3: It's a great question.

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Speaker 5: I'll just for me, it's Alito or Thomas, but occasionally

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Speaker 5: Gorsich gets to me kind of excited.

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Speaker 3: But Alito or Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Gorsich because my and this is me

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Speaker 2: talking as a lawyer, and maybe it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a romantic thought, but what I like about Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court cases is not deciding challenging issues of today. It's

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Speaker 2: when they're so incredibly well crafted that two hundred years

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Speaker 2: this principle still applies as a clarion call for liberty

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Speaker 2: along end of the future. And I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of justices get captured by the emotional wins of the moment.

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Speaker 2: For instance, when we had Soda Mayor asking questions about

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Speaker 2: the mandate on the COVID shot and she couldn't even

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Speaker 5: So wrong, probably wearing two masks during the oral arguments.

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Speaker 5: So that tells well, I mean, and I think that

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Speaker 5: factors in here. It takes a particular type of intellect

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Speaker 5: to be contemplating not only what you're deciding today, but

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Speaker 5: how that principle will apply years in the future. And that,

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Speaker 5: Because if presidential conduct that is clearly presidential conduct that

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Speaker 5: then you could have somebody prosecuted for any act this

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Speaker 5: you decide to do so, right, I mean that, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is the this is the real challenge. If you're

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Speaker 5: just going to read the mind of a president. You know, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: he he didn't pardon that person because he thought that,

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Speaker 5: you know, he should. Now pardons are interesting, aren't they?

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Speaker 5: Because pardons are because it gets a little bit of

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Speaker 5: the implications. They have to get this right, which is

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Speaker 2: Jeddie Thomas Cut twenty three. Here this is important for

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Speaker 2: those of you who are not students of history. One

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Speaker 2: My answer is yes, it was a right decision to

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Speaker 2: drop the bomb on Japan at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but

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Speaker 2: I believe this is the lawyer. It's been a while

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Speaker 2: at the scope of history. Could FDR have been prosecuted

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Speaker 6: Mister Sauer and others have identified events in the past

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Speaker 6: where presidents have engaged in conduct that might have been

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Speaker 6: your brief. So what about President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision

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Speaker 6: to in turn Japanese Americans during World War Two? Couldn't

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Speaker 7: Yes, given this court's decision in Trump versus United States,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the point is a really good one.

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Speaker 2: FDR obviously died in Powder Springs, Georgia. Correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, crew in nineteen forty four, right after basically

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Speaker 5: Pretty good memory. Poll there, Powder Springs, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Look at you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm making sure that I'm right. But so, he

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Speaker 2: couldn't have been prosecuted because he died. But let's pretend

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Speaker 2: What if a prosecutor had decided after he left the

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Speaker 2: Another good example I read in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 2: He defied his Supreme Court and he said I can

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Speaker 5: That said, it's actually illegal.

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Speaker 2: A lot, that's the point here is is that even

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Speaker 2: to do the concentration camps, where do you draw the line?

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Speaker 2: They tried to say, well, his Attorney General said this

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Speaker 2: was all right. I think we call them internment camps,

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Speaker 2: not concentration camps, I think generally.

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Speaker 5: Right, although I know it's a similar kind, just to differentiate, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, they weren't killing.

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Speaker 2: Uh that's a good question. What is the difference between

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Speaker 2: a concentration camp and internment camp. But regardless, they weren't

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Speaker 2: trying to put the Japanese Americans to death. They were

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Speaker 2: She tried to say, the Attorney General told FDR he

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Speaker 2: because then the argument is, well, if the conspiracy is

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Speaker 2: brief the president when you're the president of the United States,

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Speaker 2: if you ask enough people if you can do something

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Speaker 2: sooner or later, somebody will say, yeah, you can.

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Speaker 3: Do it, sir.

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Speaker 5: It's even worse than that because in the government bureaucracy,

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Speaker 5: and I can tell you from the CIA to DNI

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Speaker 5: this is what people do. What the president wants to hear,

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Speaker 5: and that's what you tell him, because you're the one

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Speaker 5: that gets invited back, You're the one that has access,

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Speaker 5: and you're the one that gets promoted.

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Speaker 2: Yes, men get promoted. Yes men get promoted. This is

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Speaker 2: why we're positions of power. Is difficult to make good

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Speaker 2: decisions because eventually you get so powerful that everybody tells

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Speaker 2: you're a genius. And this is how the emperor has

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Speaker 2: no clothes. He's walking around everybody lies to him. Okay,

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Speaker 2: My point on this is, if you really study history,

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Speaker 2: Trump will not be the last president that the opposing

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Speaker 2: political party will try to put in prison. And this

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Speaker 2: is why I'll give us ring the bell here a

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Speaker 2: little bit of praise. You and I from the moment

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Speaker 2: they raided mar A Lago in August of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: and Alan Dershowitz, there's very few people who actually are

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Speaker 2: staying committed to principle, said, this is an awful precedent

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Speaker 2: because once you set a new principle, once you set

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Speaker 2: a new president, others will follow it. So as soon

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact

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Speaker 5: Our guest, you all know her, Julie Kelly with us

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Speaker 5: now check out Declassified. You can subscribe to that on

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Speaker 5: sub stack. That is Julie's publication there. It is excellent.

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Speaker 5: I read it, Clay reads it. Julie, thanks for being

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Speaker 9: So in the indictment, there are certainly elements that are

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Speaker 9: This gets kicked back to Judge Chuckkin, Tommy Chuckkin, who

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Speaker 3: That is a jury.

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Speaker 3: Sorry to cut you off.

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Speaker 3: He would be able to pardon himself.

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Speaker 5: It's also time, you know, they have a transition that

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Speaker 5: Julun to ask you about? You know, this is another

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Speaker 9: I mean, look, I tweetd this last night and I

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Speaker 9: I haven't had a time to go through the whole indictment,

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Speaker 9: Just ridiculous. But so again, such dangerous descent where we

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Speaker 2: Julie, last question for you. You mentioned South Florida. You've

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Speaker 9: We should know And I want to give kudos again

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Speaker 9: flies in the face of what Smith Jacksmith has alleged

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Speaker 9: in his indictment there, but also what we've been told

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Speaker 9: that Joe Biden and his White House is completely hands

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Speaker 9: off from this prosecution, so they were deeply involved, same players, DOJ, FBI,

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Speaker 9: the Archives, the intelligence community. This is like getting the

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Speaker 9: Russia Gate fy the gate bound back together. So kudos

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Speaker 9: to her. There's going to be more unfeelings today. I

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Speaker 9: will be posting later juliannderscore Kelly two, which is the

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Speaker 9: grand jury transcript of the of Walteene, Nada, Trump's close

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Speaker 9: personal aid. Also who has been charged in that case

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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 2: J we should mention, by the way, Buck that took

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Speaker 2: place in Washington, d C. Before they then flipped to

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Speaker 2: the proceeding all the way down to South Florida, so

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Speaker 2: that Judge Cannon wasn't in charge of this.

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Speaker 5: Julie Kelly substack. You can all subscribe Julie real quick

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Speaker 5: before I let you go. I know Clay said last question,

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Speaker 5: but I'm throwing a last question because I'm really curious.

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Speaker 5: What do you think the biggest legal risk for Trump

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Speaker 5: is now? Of all of the cases and scenarios.

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Speaker 9: I mean, right now, I have to think what's happening

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Speaker 9: in New York.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I thought you might say that because Clay and

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Speaker 5: I were just talking about that. This Actually I think

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Speaker 5: what we see happening puts more pressure on them to

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Speaker 5: get even crazier in New York City where they just

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Speaker 5: have full control and there's really no oversight. Go check

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Speaker 5: out Julie's substack. Everybody declassified.

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Speaker 3: Julie.

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Speaker 5: Always appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 9: Thanks, guys, have a good day.

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Speaker 3: You know that I like to look and Julie's phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: I'd encourage all of you to go follow everything that

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Speaker 2: Julie Kelly's been saying, she has been in turn terms

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Speaker 2: of analysis and trying to look in the direction that

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Speaker 2: we are going better than almost anybody out there. Everybody

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Speaker 2: was ridiculing the idea that the Supreme Court was going

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Speaker 2: to take up this obstruction case as to whether or

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Speaker 2: not it could be applied from a business perspective passed

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Speaker 2: for sarbains Oxley being used on jan six cases.

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Speaker 3: She was right, they're going to strike it down. I

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Speaker 3: think she's right that there is.

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Speaker 2: Only going to be now one case completed before we

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Speaker 2: get to November, which makes me wonder Buck and I

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Speaker 2: do think that everybody needs to prepare for this as

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Speaker 2: the realization starts to set in that all of this

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Speaker 2: legal wrangling. They thought we're going to have Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: in court March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November,

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Speaker 2: all the way up to election day. We're going to

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Speaker 2: hit him with federal charges. There's going to be major convictions,

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Speaker 2: and Joe Biden's going to ride into the sunset and win. Now,

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Speaker 2: they're probably not gonna get Trump in court at all.

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Speaker 2: I don't think in terms of daily until I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's say this case ends Buck mid June. Something like

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Speaker 2: that may end up sooner than that. They may or

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Speaker 2: may not get a conviction. But I think what you're

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Speaker 2: gonna see as a result is, and we've been hinting

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Speaker 2: at this, but I think you need to prepare for it.

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Speaker 2: They're going to dial up the crazy in terms of

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Speaker 2: the punishment that they're going to try to get on

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Speaker 2: Trump as they become aware, uh oh, this is the

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Speaker 2: only bite at the apple we're gonna get.

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Speaker 5: They are they would be doing so much. I agree

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Speaker 5: with that assessment. You and I talked about it, you

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Speaker 5: brought it up. I agree. Julie comes on, She says

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Speaker 5: it without knowing that we had just agreed on this one,

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Speaker 5: which makes me feel like, this is what the trend

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Speaker 5: certainly is right now, or this is where the momentum is.

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Speaker 5: New York, which was the first one to go, the

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Speaker 5: easiest for them to bring in terms of they were

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Speaker 5: basically guaranteed full control over the process because of the

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Speaker 5: jurisdiction and because of the far left progressive prosecutor Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 5: who is calling the shots there. But the damage that

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Speaker 5: they will do to any faith that we could have

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Speaker 5: in our legal system if they're able to use New

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Speaker 5: York as this weapon. The charges in New York are

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Speaker 5: a joke, an unfunny joke, but they're preposterous. I wouldn't

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Speaker 5: put anyone in prison, nor convict anyone, any human being.

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Speaker 5: If Alvin Bragg himself were sitting there charged with doing

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Speaker 5: what Trump is doing, and I were on that jury,

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Speaker 5: I would not convict him.

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Speaker 3: It's wrong.

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Speaker 5: It's wrong what they are doing. The charges are wrong.

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Speaker 5: The stacking them the way they've done it is wrong.

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Speaker 5: The delaying it's so that it comes in the election

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Speaker 5: year is wrong. Clay, top to bottom in excusable, and

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Speaker 5: now it's looking more and more like that's their great

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Speaker 5: hope to defeat Donald Trump. That's how they're going to

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Speaker 5: get four more years for Joe Biden the business records

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Speaker 5: charge in New York.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to twenty four the most Important Tier in

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Speaker 1: politics with Clay, Travis and box Sexton.

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Speaker 5: Cash Puttel is joining US former DoD chief of staff,

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Speaker 5: former federal prosecutor, and public defender. He has selected sixty

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Speaker 5: juries for trial service. Cash been a bit my friend.

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Speaker 10: How you doing, Hey, great to be with you guys.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, absolutely, So let's start the two big news

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Speaker 5: items today. A lot of campus anti Israel stuff, but

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Speaker 5: also the Trump trial that is going on, which is

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Speaker 5: in some ways it's hard to believe even though it's happening.

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Speaker 5: This is where we are as a country. This is

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Speaker 5: what's happening, this is what's underway. What's your sense of ben,

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Speaker 5: I'd start with this. Do you feel like there's any

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Speaker 5: chance that anyone on this jury might be fairly disposed

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Speaker 5: toward the truth of this case and Donald Trump in general.

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Speaker 10: Look, there's always a chance, but there's a reason I

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Speaker 10: live in Las Vegas and don't gamble as often as

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Speaker 10: I used to, and people are gambling on this trial.

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Speaker 8: Will probably lose.

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Speaker 10: The reality is what is happening. The tragedy is the

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Speaker 10: destruction of due process. And for some reason, these prosecutors

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Speaker 10: and judges have teamed up to think that the system

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Speaker 10: of due process under the Constitution no longer applies to

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump, or that they can selectively apply to him

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Speaker 10: in pieces. And what I mean by that is just

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Speaker 10: look at the opening statement today. The lead prosecutor, who

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Speaker 10: used to be the number three prosecutor at the Department

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Speaker 10: of Justice, he gave the opening statement. This guy Colangelo,

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Speaker 10: and he said he told the jury donald Trump is

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Speaker 10: here because of a criminal conspiracy related to election Trump. Now,

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Speaker 10: the Constitution forbids specifically any mention of crimes, not charging

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Speaker 10: the indictment to be presented to the jury. But this judge,

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Speaker 10: of course lapped it up and allowed it. There is

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Speaker 10: no charge of conspiracy anywhere in the indictment. And all

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Speaker 10: they continue to do is shred the do process, rites

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Speaker 10: of Donald Trump and that of the Constitution in the process,

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Speaker 10: and weaken our system of justice.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really important point you just made.

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Speaker 2: Who exactly is involved in this trial. The Biden administration,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden himself, many of their allies in the media.

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Speaker 2: They regularly I was reading The Times this morning, laying

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Speaker 2: out and Sunday laying out all their analysis and reading

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Speaker 2: all their articles saying, oh, there is no grand conspiracy

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Speaker 2: against Donald Trump. This is just happens to be Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 2: It just happens to be Fanny Willis. Jack Smith is

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Speaker 2: totally independent. Merrick Garland's not involved in these cases. What

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Speaker 2: did you just say? I think this is so important.

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Speaker 2: The former number three position at the Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: is now prosecuting a state court case.

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Speaker 3: Now you have a little bit of a background in this.

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Speaker 2: In general, wouldn't this be akin to being a major

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Speaker 2: leaguer and going back to a ball? In other words,

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Speaker 2: you would want to be as high as you could

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Speaker 2: be in the Department of Justice number three. Overall in

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Speaker 2: the DOJ, it's a big friggin deal when it comes

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Speaker 2: to trial prosecution a state court in Manhattan? Is that

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Speaker 2: not a crazy decent analogy and a sports perspective, it'd

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Speaker 2: be like if you made the major leagues deciding to

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Speaker 2: go back to single A or double A ball to

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Speaker 2: prosecute a state city court crime like this.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, as a sportsman, I love the analogy, and look,

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Speaker 10: you're absolutely right. What it shows is the two tier

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Speaker 10: system of justice. And just to highlight the importance of this,

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Speaker 10: the number three. There's the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General,

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Speaker 10: and then this guy who's who used Colangelo, who used

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Speaker 10: to sit at the head of the civil writs the

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Speaker 10: vision as the p DAG and now he has left

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Speaker 10: that job gone on to join Bragg's team, and not

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Speaker 10: just quietly joined the team. He delivered the opening statement.

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Speaker 10: And this guy who's been a career prosecutor who knows

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Speaker 10: you cannot tell a jury about any uncharged crimes opened

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Speaker 10: with just that. And that shows you the level of

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Speaker 10: connective connectivity between the DOJ, the Biden administration, and Bragg's office.

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Speaker 10: And so when people say, oh, no, there's no conspiracy here, well,

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Speaker 10: there's no such thing as coincidences in the United States government,

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Speaker 10: certainly not at Joe Biden and Merrick Garland DOJ. And

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Speaker 10: now we're seeing it front and center, and this judge

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Speaker 10: is allowing it all to happen.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of Cash but Cash matel formerly of Trump's DoD

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Speaker 5: he was chief of staff at the Pentagon Cash and

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Speaker 5: also former federal prosecutor ysh. If they find Trump guilty,

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Speaker 5: and we know that's an if we who knows where

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Speaker 5: the jury's going to go with this? What do you

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Speaker 5: think will happen and how quickly do you see it happening.

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Speaker 10: Well, what's supposed to happen, especially in a case like this,

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Speaker 10: is that there would be an appellate process and the

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Speaker 10: defendant would remain out of custody because this is a

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Speaker 10: nonviolent crime and you're talking about an individual who has

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Speaker 10: literally zero criminal history, and we're talking about an instance

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Speaker 10: where there are allegedly, excuse me, there are no victims

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Speaker 10: of violent crimes. But what will happen here is this

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Speaker 10: judge will probably take matters into his own hands, continue

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Speaker 10: to create a new system of justice and try to

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Speaker 10: probably imprison Donald Trump and deny him his appellate rights

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Speaker 10: that the constitution allows. So it's going to be a

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Speaker 10: very very unfortunate series of events if Donald Trump is convicted,

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Speaker 10: because it would be unlawful and unconstitutional. But then what

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Speaker 10: this judge could do to him is completely remove him

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Speaker 10: from the campaign trail, which that is a clear impetus.

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Speaker 10: If you've ever watched even just one day of this trial,

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Speaker 10: this judge has made up his mind like Judging Gorn

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Speaker 10: did in the civil case that just happened before this one.

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Speaker 10: These guys have convicted Trump in the court of public

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Speaker 10: opinion and are going to convict them in their own courtrooms.

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Speaker 10: They're just waiting for the process to play out.

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Speaker 2: Cash, how do you break down the other cases you've

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Speaker 2: been involved in the criminal court system before on as

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Speaker 2: for as crazy as this New York City case is, Thursday,

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Speaker 2: we have the presidential immunity case that's being argued the

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Speaker 2: oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court. Presumably sometime

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Speaker 2: in June, we'll get that decision as well as the

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Speaker 2: Fisher case having to do with whether or not you

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Speaker 2: can prosecute for effectively impeding official proceedings, as has been

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Speaker 2: occurring with many of the January sixth related charges. How

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Speaker 2: does the timeline work to you for this? Do you

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Speaker 2: think that the New York City case is the only

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Speaker 2: one that would go all the way through and get

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Speaker 2: a jury verdict or do you think there will be

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Speaker 2: a possibility of another case as well between now and

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Speaker 2: November fifth.

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Speaker 10: Well, again, if we were on the normal timeline of justice,

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Speaker 10: these cases would not even be charged this year. They

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Speaker 10: would be charged later, and the timeline for average prosecution

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Speaker 10: is two to four years. But they took the ho

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Speaker 10: v lane because it's Donald Trump. Now we'll see what

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Speaker 10: the Supreme Court decides, but it's unequivocally, in my opinion,

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Speaker 10: executive privilege for the president who have acted in the

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Speaker 10: way he did, and that should apply here. It's also

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Speaker 10: another indication that Joe Biden, who personally had to dissolve

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Speaker 10: executive privilege for the DOJ to bring that prosecution in

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Speaker 10: DC and Florida. He had to personally get involved. So

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Speaker 10: when he says I'm not involved, that's another charade. But

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Speaker 10: once the Supreme Court decides on that case and also

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Speaker 10: the obstructioning case, which is a very important point you

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Speaker 10: bring up, the Supreme Court, I believe, is going to

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Speaker 10: deny the use of the substruction statute which is from

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Speaker 10: the Enron financial crimes fiasco, and they're going to throw

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Speaker 10: out three hundred plus convictions related to January sixth, and

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Speaker 10: that should upend the entire timeline of any of the

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Speaker 10: trials sportscoming. But we don't know what these district court

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Speaker 10: judges who are going to do, like Chutkin, who have

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Speaker 10: already basically stated that Donald Trump is a threat to

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Speaker 10: democracy and they want him removed from the electoral process.

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Speaker 5: Speaking to Cash Patel, former federal prosecutor, Cash, Trump is

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Speaker 5: facing all this stuff. How is he able to hold

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Speaker 5: up under under all of it? You know, with multiple

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Speaker 5: criminal prosecutions. I mean, I know you and the President

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Speaker 5: are in contact, and he knows you well, and you

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Speaker 5: may well be a senior figure in his next administration.

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Speaker 5: Not to get too far ahead of things, but that's

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Speaker 5: very possible here. How is he able to do this

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Speaker 5: run for president with four absolutely insane federal or sorry

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Speaker 5: felony criminal indictments three well sorry too, federal and two

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Speaker 5: state against him right now.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I was just with the President the

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Speaker 10: other week and it's a you know, it's it's a conversation.

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Speaker 10: Many of my conversations I don't reveal that this one

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Speaker 10: I'm happy to you know. I asked him, as a president,

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Speaker 10: how do you deal to this is exact question. You know,

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Speaker 10: you're being falsely prosecuted, they're taking away your money, they're

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Speaker 10: coming after your family, they're defaming you constantly. And his

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Speaker 10: answer is really simple. He goes cash. The future of

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Speaker 10: this country is at stake and he will not let

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Speaker 10: it fail on his watch. And I think that drives

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Speaker 10: him every single day that he wakes up and he

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Speaker 10: says when the other side says, oh, Donald Trump's just

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Speaker 10: in it for the money and fame, well the reality

696
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Speaker 10: shows it's the opposite. He's fighting for everybody else's right

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Speaker 10: to have fame, to have money, to have the right

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Speaker 10: to be an American citizen. And that energizes it more

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Speaker 10: than anything I've ever seen. And I don't think you're

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Speaker 10: going to see Donald Trump, slow down. Every time they

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Speaker 10: throw an arrow at this guy, he ingested, and he

702
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Speaker 10: becomes the juggernaut of justice and rolls down the street,

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Speaker 10: whether it's in New York, d C. Florida, or elsewhere,

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Speaker 10: and convinces more and more Americans that this two tier

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Speaker 10: system of justice has been weaponized for political purposes. And

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Speaker 10: he's asking Americans not only to recognize that, but to

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Speaker 10: go to the polls in November and elect him so

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Speaker 10: we can fix our constitutional republic.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, and I think you kind of

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Speaker 2: hinted at this at the beginning. This is obviously a

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Speaker 2: rigged jury that eighty seven percent of people voted against

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump in this jurisdiction. Based on analyzing the twelve jurors,

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Speaker 2: the six alternates, everything else, what do you think the

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Speaker 2: chances are, first of all, of a not guilty verdict?

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Speaker 2: Buck and I both put that at zero. Do you

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Speaker 2: think there is and I'm curious if you would agree

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Speaker 2: with that. Do you think there is potentially a juror

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Speaker 2: on this trial that might be willing to refuse to

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Speaker 2: vote to convict and essentially give what would be a

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Speaker 2: win I think through a hung jury based on what

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Speaker 2: you've seen based on your analysis of this case, how

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Speaker 2: would you assess that probability?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, going back to my public defender days and

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Speaker 10: my federal public defender days, where I defended scores of

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Speaker 10: criminals in front of scores of different juries in different

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Speaker 10: court rooms, we always used to say the following, you

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Speaker 10: just need one. You don't need all twelve, You just

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Speaker 10: need one. And that's what you guys are talking about

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Speaker 10: to get to a hung jury.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 10: I think the chance is that one of those twelve

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Speaker 10: jurors agrees with Donald Trump's presentation of the evidence is strong.

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Speaker 10: But the chance that that same juror withstands the scrutiny

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Speaker 10: that is going to come at his way from the

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Speaker 10: media and the rest of the jury and the world,

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Speaker 10: because this is the most important criminal prosecution in literally

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Speaker 10: US if history. It's not the world that may fold

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Speaker 10: that juror, that may succumb him to the pressures of

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Speaker 10: the outside. But if the jurors actually stuck to the

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Speaker 10: facts and the law, there's no way any of the

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Speaker 10: twelve would convict Donald Trump because there is no crime here.

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Speaker 10: It's not a hush money case. It has to do

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Speaker 10: with ledgers and payments made to a lawyer, all of

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Speaker 10: which is above board. But I think Donald Trump's attorneys

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Speaker 10: are looking for that one attorney, and there's a chance

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Speaker 10: that they find them cash.

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Speaker 5: But tell everybody cash. Appreciate you being with us, man,

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 10: Thanks guys, have a great day.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to twenty more The Year of Impact with

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Speaker 1: Clay and Box.

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Speaker 5: We are looking at some interesting stuff happening in New

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Speaker 5: York these days. That's probably always true, but in a

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Speaker 5: political sense, particularly interesting stuff happening right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna put this too so we can dive

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Speaker 3: into it.

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Speaker 5: Back in two thousand and eight, Barack Obama won New

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Speaker 5: York that year by a twenty six point nine percent

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Speaker 5: margin of victory. Okay, so am I we'll call it

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Speaker 5: twenty seven points, which is you know that is a

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Speaker 5: beat down for sure. I'm looking right now, Mark at

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Speaker 5: the latest Siena College polling, which was just from a

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Speaker 5: week ago, and the polls all compiled here on five

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Speaker 5: thirty eight dot com. They've got in New York Trump v. Biden,

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Speaker 5: Biden up seven points, Biden up eight points. You think

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Speaker 5: something big is perhaps in the mix. What's going on here?

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Speaker 5: Is this going to be competitive?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 8: No, I think Donald Trump's going to win New York.

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Speaker 8: I don't think it's going to be competitive. I think

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Speaker 8: he'll win it. You got to remember about two thousand

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Speaker 8: and eight, McCain was whatever reason he wasn't a strong candidate,

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Speaker 8: turnout for him was extremely low. So that's not the

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Speaker 8: best test. And now remember Ronald Reagan won New York

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Speaker 8: twice twice, so it can be done. I know that's

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Speaker 8: a long time ago. But Trump is different from anybody else.

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Speaker 8: He's beloved in New York by a lot of people.

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Speaker 8: I know in New York City is the problem, but

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Speaker 8: half the voters are outside of New York City. He's

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Speaker 8: got them, and normally he'd have trouble in New York City,

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Speaker 8: but a lot of that Democratic base is secretly quietly

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Speaker 8: moving over to Trump. People that just don't like the

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Speaker 8: crime anymore. They don't like it out of control. He

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Speaker 8: goes to Harlem where that bodega is, or as Biden

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Speaker 8: would say, that Bogada, and he pier's at that bodega

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Speaker 8: and watch the video. Everybody in the street is cheering him.

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Speaker 8: There's no booze anywhere. He goes to the construction site

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Speaker 8: Park Avenue, but Remember it's working class guys, construction workers

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Speaker 8: who live in New York, and they're all cheering him

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Speaker 8: and chanting for him. I think he wins. I think

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Speaker 8: he wins New York. All right.

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Speaker 2: I want to dive into this because this is a

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Speaker 2: bold prediction. I love bold predictions, as Buckwell knows, although

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Speaker 2: I've lost on several of my bold predictions. Here, I

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Speaker 2: want to hit you with a couple of fact patterns.

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Speaker 2: Close race just happened to be fair. Twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: governor's race, Kathy Hokel not very popular, Lee Zelden loses

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Speaker 2: fifty three to forty seven. So let me ask you

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Speaker 2: this question. If Kathy Hokel and Lee Zelden ran in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, in other words, if we didn't have

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Speaker 2: a mid term twenty twenty two election, if they were

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Speaker 2: on the ballot, I presume you think Lee Zelden would

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Speaker 2: win head to head against Kathy Hokel as well, and

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Speaker 2: that there's been a further shift right word since he

805
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Speaker 2: would have lost by six points two years ago.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I love Leezeldon. Great guy. He'd be an excellent

807
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Speaker 8: govern not exactly the most dynamic candidate in the world,

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Speaker 8: and Hokel had all that democratic momentum behind her, but

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Speaker 8: people have now seen her in office for a few years,

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Speaker 8: and she thinks she's absolutely awful. Between the congestion pricing,

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Speaker 8: doing nothing about this anti semitism all over the campuses,

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Speaker 8: doing nothing about inflation, and the state congestion pricing is ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: She sends the National Guard into the subway to protect people.

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Speaker 8: It's crime down there. They have no power in the

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Speaker 8: subway to do anything, so she decides to'll inspect packages

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Speaker 8: or bags or I don't know, any criminal to bring

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Speaker 8: his luggage with them. They don't have briefcases, they don't

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Speaker 8: have persons. I don't know what they're inspecting. So yeah,

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Speaker 8: Zelden could win today, and I really think Trump. You know,

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Speaker 8: he said he was seven eight points behind. That was

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Speaker 8: the case in almost every swing state, and he closed

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Speaker 8: those gaps. He's good at closing eight percent gaps. He'll

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Speaker 8: do it in New York.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if he wins New York, that's going to

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Speaker 2: be a landslope. Do you agree with that? I mean,

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Speaker 2: because he's not going to lose Pennsylvania and win New York, right,

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Speaker 2: He's not going to lose Wisconsin. And win New York.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to win New York and lose Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I mean that would mean that he would sweep through

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Speaker 2: the Midwest. He might win Minnesota. What you're saying is

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Speaker 2: six months out, you think Trump is not only going

832
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Speaker 2: to win, he's gonna win comfortably. By ten o'clock Eastern

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Speaker 2: on election night, we would know who that he was

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Speaker 2: the winner.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I mean, who knows what the Democrats will pull.

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Speaker 8: But it's only going to get better for Donald Trump

837
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Speaker 8: and it's only going to get worse for Joe Biden. Mentally,

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Speaker 8: things will come out. I think these trials have had

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Speaker 8: just the opposite effect Democrats intended. People are starting to

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Speaker 8: look at these trials. I don't mean the MSNBC cret

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Speaker 8: I mean normal people, and they don't like the total

842
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Speaker 8: perversion of our justice system. They don't like any of this.

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Speaker 8: It's only going to get better for Trump in the summer.

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Speaker 8: You'll see momentum.

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Speaker 5: Just do you think Biden's going to debate Mark I'm

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Speaker 5: sure you saw today he said on another radio show,

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'll debate Trump. Trump's response to it was, no,

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Speaker 5: one really believes that, right, What do you think I.

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Speaker 8: Don't believe it. I mean, what was the exact words.

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Speaker 8: I'd be happy to that that thing, I'll do it.

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Speaker 8: I'd be happy to. But the staff whoever, will come

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Speaker 8: up with a million excuses not to do it. Hey,

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Speaker 8: you notice Biden won't talk to the New York Times,

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Speaker 8: won't give them an interview, won't give any real news

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Speaker 8: organization the interview, but he's happy to do Seth Meyers

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Speaker 8: and Howard Stern. What does that tell you about his confidence? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No, there's clearly a coddling of him in the media

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Speaker 5: that goes beyond even what we normally would expect. We're

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Speaker 5: speaking of Mark Simon and mister New York of seven

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Speaker 5: to ten wor in NYC. So you mentioned the trials

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Speaker 5: Mark and Clay and I have tried to do a

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Speaker 5: little bit of jury pool analysis, but also looking back

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Speaker 5: or taking a step back and looking at the overall

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Speaker 5: system in New York City. Do you have any faith

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Speaker 5: that there might be somebody on that jury who's just

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Speaker 5: going to say this is too crazy, I can't go

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Speaker 5: along with this, or do you think that it's kind

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Speaker 5: of a done deal and they might get a multi

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Speaker 5: verdict on this.

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Speaker 8: Uh, you know, I don't have a lot of confidence.

871
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Speaker 8: It's a New York jury, it's a totally over the

872
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 8: top biased judge. The only good news is the Harvey

873
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 8: Weinstein reversal was based on all these things the judge did,

874
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 8: and this judge in the Trump trial has done exactly

875
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Speaker 8: the same thing, so that almost guarantees the reversal. Hopefully

876
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 8: the judges looking at this and will ease up a little.

877
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 8: But there's so far there's no crime alleged. The catch

878
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 8: and kill perfectly legal. Biden did the biggest catch and

879
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 8: kill in history when he had Facebook, Twitter, the biggest

880
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 8: publishers cover up the Hunter laptop scandal. So, but you're right,

881
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Speaker 8: you can never tell what a jury'll do.

882
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Speaker 2: You mentioned that again, you think Trump's gonna win New York,

883
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Speaker 2: which would be amazing and would be a lot of

884
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Speaker 2: fun to watch. Can you imagine the panic that would

885
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Speaker 2: ensue an MSNBC and CNN if because New York comes

886
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Speaker 2: in early, and if you start seeing those numbers and

887
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Speaker 2: buy and is only up a couple of points or

888
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Speaker 2: Trump is within a couple of points, what does the

889
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Speaker 2: tally look like?

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Speaker 3: You know, at forty seven percent?

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Speaker 2: If I'm looking at this overall you know, in terms

892
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Speaker 2: of turnout in twenty twenty two, do you think there's

893
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Speaker 2: going to be a massive turnout in the New York

894
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Speaker 2: election or do you think Biden's just not getting out

895
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Speaker 2: his base Black voters are moving on Asian Hispanic voters.

896
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Speaker 2: What does the coalition look like for Trump if that

897
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Speaker 2: were to happen.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a good point. But I think

899
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Speaker 8: low turnout for Biden. And you don't usually get the

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Speaker 8: high Republican turnout in New York, but you'll get it

901
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Speaker 8: this time because again, crime is a huge factor. Also,

902
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 8: this anti semitism, the stuff on the college campists, it's

903
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Speaker 8: frightening a lot of people, not just Jews, but Christians

904
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Speaker 8: Gentiles as well, because this kind of bigotry being tolerated

905
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Speaker 8: is frightening a lot of people. And who just watch

906
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Speaker 8: the perversion of the justice system, the total disintegration of

907
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 8: our universities, the streets every time, thing is just awful,

908
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 8: the migrants everywhere. I think you're going to see enormous

909
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Speaker 8: Republican turnout this time. Also look at Long Island, Nasau County,

910
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Speaker 8: which is a good barometer. The county executive, the attorney general,

911
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 8: the Republicans swept in Nasau County. It's a good indicative

912
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Speaker 8: of what's coming.

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Speaker 5: Mark, Simo and everybody. Mark appreciate you being with us.

914
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Speaker 5: Thanks for calling in from seven to ten. Wor great

915
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Speaker 5: to have you as always.

916
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Speaker 8: Thanks love listening to you every day.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Man, Thanks so much. You know, Clay, I just

918
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Speaker 5: want to say, you know you said it. You're a

919
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Speaker 5: bold prediction guy. But Trump, If Trump wins New York,

920
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Speaker 5: this is up there with you. Remember when some of

921
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Speaker 5: you do remember this and Colter was on Bill mahershow

922
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Speaker 5: at the very beginning of the twenty sixteen cycle primary

923
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Speaker 5: and they said who do you think is going to win?

924
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Speaker 5: And she said, right on camera, She started, right in

925
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Speaker 5: the camera, this is before like the polls showed him ahead.

926
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Speaker 5: She said, Donald Trump. And they had to have her

927
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Speaker 5: on later. That was a heck whatever you think, that

928
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Speaker 5: was a heck of a call. If Mark is right

929
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Speaker 5: and Trump wins New York, the first time a Republican

930
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Speaker 5: will have won it since Ronald Reagan, We're going to

931
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Speaker 5: have to have him on for a little victory dance.

932
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Speaker 5: I think Trump will. You know, it's funny, he's so

933
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Speaker 5: ready to go that Trump will win. That me pointing

934
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Speaker 5: out that he's only behind even by Democrat pollsters six

935
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Speaker 5: seven points. I mean, that's a contested state. If you

936
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Speaker 5: really look at it, right, six or seven points looks

937
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Speaker 5: like that's up for grabs, So it's not as crazy.

938
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Speaker 5: That's why I said Barack Obama won by almost thirty

939
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Speaker 5: very different times.

940
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Speaker 8: Now.

941
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is a good question because

942
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Speaker 2: you guys out there listening can help us with this.

943
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Speaker 2: Is that the boldest prediction in three years of us

944
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Speaker 2: being on the air, in terms of guests. I know

945
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Speaker 2: you and I have made bold predictions, but I don't

946
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Speaker 2: even think I've gone that far in making a bold

947
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Speaker 2: prediction about New York because it's not just.

948
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Speaker 3: If he's right.

949
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Speaker 2: Think about it. I've made some bold predictions, many of

950
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Speaker 2: them are wrong. But uh, but if you think about it,

951
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Speaker 2: if New York flipped, that's why I asked him. I mean, Pennsylvania, Michigan,

952
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Speaker 2: and Wisconsin are going to go Trump, and then I

953
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Speaker 2: think Minnesota probably would, and I think you would flip

954
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Speaker 2: Virginia potentially.

955
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Speaker 3: Like you're right about New York. Trump.

956
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Speaker 5: It's style, It's it's a total butt kicking. There's no

957
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Speaker 5: question about it. Because you're not gonna win New York

958
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 5: and not win Pennsylvania. You're you're not going to win

959
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 5: New York and then fail to win Pennsylvania and some

960
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 5: of these other these other key states. But I think

961
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Speaker 5: that look, I mean, you've talked about predictions. I thought

962
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Speaker 5: Leez Eldon was going to win and maybe that for governor,

963
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Speaker 5: and that would have been at least one repudiation of

964
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Speaker 5: a COVID lockdown lunatic governor. Unfortunately, it didn't end up happening,

965
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Speaker 5: but he made it close. And you know, New York,

966
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Speaker 5: right after California is the biggest Democrat stronghold state that

967
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Speaker 5: there is, so the fact that it would even be

968
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Speaker 5: a place where you're gonna, I think you're gonna see

969
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Speaker 5: Republican members of Congress that are doing well in New York.

970
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Speaker 5: We would not have the very thin and some of

971
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Speaker 5: that is self inflicted wounds by the Republicans in Congress, unfortunately,

972
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Speaker 5: but we would not have a Republican majority if it

973
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Speaker 5: were not for New York Republicans and California Republicans coming

974
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Speaker 5: out and winning in some key congressional races and the

975
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Speaker 5: GOP base turning out for them there.

976
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Speaker 2: Particularly in New York Long Island, Nasau and Suffolk Counties.

977
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Speaker 2: I mean, turning out big for Republicans. I do think

978
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Speaker 2: that's big Trump territory. We talked about this last year

979
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Speaker 2: when I was up in Cooperstown. How blown away my

980
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: kids were Trump flags everywhere everywhere we went in upstate

981
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Speaker 2: New York. When we were in Cooperstown, New York, my

982
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: kids couldn't get over it we were driving around. I mean,

983
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Speaker 2: that is major Trump territory. And what some Marx Simone

984
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Speaker 2: just hit on is it's really you win in Manhattan.

985
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Speaker 2: I remember we had Lee Zeldon on and you went

986
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Speaker 2: in Manhattan by limiting the amount that Democrats can run

987
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: up the score. And I do think that Manhattan and

988
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: in the New York City area, I don't think that

989
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: Biden's going to run up the score. I think again,

990
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: it comes down to these suburban moms, these suburban women,

991
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: and maybe they're not threatened in New York over the

992
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: abortion argument because it's easier to get an abortion now,

993
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: I think in New York than it was before Roe v.

994
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: Wade was overturned. Well, this is why I think that.

995
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Speaker 5: You know, we had that caller before and he said

996
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 5: he's so worried about how abortion's going to play into this.

997
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 5: It worked really well in twenty twenty two because they

998
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 5: were able to lie to people and say, even you know,

999
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 5: in all kinds of states, they're going to stop you

1000
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 5: from getting abortions in places like New York, and I

1001
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 5: think this is a tragedy. But in places like New York,

1002
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 5: it's still just as easy to get an abortion, and

1003
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Speaker 5: so it's a lot harder, I think, to drive turnout

1004
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 5: because that is the law.

1005
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Speaker 3: People can understand it.

1006
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Speaker 8: There.

1007
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Speaker 3: We'll take some of your calls.

1008
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Speaker 5: I'm wondering if anybody else, Let's see if anybody else

1009
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 5: Clay in New York wants to back Mark up on

1010
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 5: this one among the boldest, for sure predictions we have

1011
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 5: heard on this show. And you know Mark is very

1012
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 5: tied into the political scene in New York York City

1013
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 5: and up in Albany for New York State, so you

1014
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 5: know he would. I talked to him a little bit before,

1015
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 5: I said, are you sure do you want to say?

1016
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: Do you want to say that publicly on the ass,

1017
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: like you really want to let it rip? You said?

1018
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 5: He is confident, he is fired up, and he says

1019
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 5: he sees it