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Speaker 3: Guys, Emily Abadi here coming to you live from the

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Speaker 3: AG studio. You are listening to Hurdle, a wellness focused

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Speaker 2: We all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through.

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Speaker 3: These discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours

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Speaker 3: a electrified I like that adjective for you today to

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Speaker 3: Also get into exactly what ultra running is, right, what

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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Courtney dou Walter. She is

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Speaker 3: You know. It reminds me of like the twenty eighteen

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Speaker 3: about you know, when you maybe have had to pull

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Speaker 3: out as we.

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Speaker 2: Go along here.

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Speaker 3: But for some it is that mental fortitude that we're

446
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Speaker 3: talking about the building of that, the persisting when things

447
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Speaker 3: get hard, that is really the reward within the journey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thankful for that first experience because it taught

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Speaker 1: me how strong our brains are. Like when I reflected afterwards,

450
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Speaker 1: I was like, your legs were hurting, but everyone's legs

451
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: were hurting. You know, that's a far away is to go.

452
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Speaker 1: So of course you are feeling tired, but your brain

453
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Speaker 1: is the thing that caused you to quit. Because I

454
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Speaker 1: just had thrown in the towel mentally, and so it

455
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Speaker 1: triggered this whole realization for me of how strong our

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Speaker 1: brains are and how important it is what we say

457
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Speaker 1: to ourselves in our heads, even if we know we're lying. Sometimes,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll be like throwing up in the bushes,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like talking positively to myself, like, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is perfect, this is great, everything is going great. This

461
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Speaker 1: is just fine, you know, when maybe it's not. But

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Speaker 1: as long as I'm staying positive in my head, I

463
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Speaker 1: feel like it helps me think more clearly and then

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Speaker 1: move past the problem with like some solution ideas.

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Speaker 2: I like this.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the difference between being realistic with a

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Speaker 3: positive spin and maybe like that cusp of toxic positivity, right,

468
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Speaker 3: because I think that a lot of people hear something

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Speaker 3: like that and they might be like, well, that's bull Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: how am I supposed to be like this is really

471
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Speaker 3: good for me when I'm like literally vomiting in the bushes.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that you can be realistic and

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Speaker 3: kind right, because there's no I'm not saying like maybe

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be like as positive as you were, but

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Speaker 3: I think that I would say something like you're fine,

476
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Speaker 3: Like let's start there, right, Like let's start at a baseline,

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Speaker 3: Let's start a place that's giving you the facts of

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Speaker 3: the situation so that you can move forward and do

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Speaker 3: the best you can with what you have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly it. And that is what I'll usually

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Speaker 1: say to myself is just this is fine. Whatever is happening,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, however I'm feeling, whatever problem I'm navigating through

483
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Speaker 1: or around or over, I'm like, this is fine. This

484
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Speaker 1: is how it's going to go, and that's okay. And

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Speaker 1: I do think that it's part the positivity that can

486
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Speaker 1: help feed like your physical body forward motion. But it

487
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: also just slows down your system of like not freaking out,

488
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Speaker 1: not whirl pooling yourself into this, like you know, making

489
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Speaker 1: a mountain out of a mole hill or whatever. You know.

490
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Speaker 1: It like just stops you for a second to think

491
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Speaker 1: through what's happening and what you can try to make

492
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Speaker 1: it better.

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Speaker 3: And we're obviously talking about the mental here. You just

494
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Speaker 3: said the term physical body. How much of what you

495
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Speaker 3: do would you say is the mental versus the physical

496
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Speaker 3: or will you just say that they compliment on each other.

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Speaker 1: For sure, they compliment one another during a race. I

498
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Speaker 1: think of it as like two bars on a bar

499
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Speaker 1: graph that are just like passing the load back and

500
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Speaker 1: forth through the whole race. So sometimes maybe physical you

501
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Speaker 1: can do it all and you don't need any of

502
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Speaker 1: that mental strength, and then slowly maybe the mental side

503
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Speaker 1: becomes more important. And at some points it's pure mental

504
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Speaker 1: for me, Like there will be moments where I just

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Speaker 1: feel like I can't take another step, but in my brain,

506
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Speaker 1: I just tell myself to take one more, and that's

507
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Speaker 1: what's actually the engine at that point is pure just

508
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Speaker 1: mental like stubbornness. And then what I've found is it

509
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Speaker 1: doesn't when it goes over to the mental side, it's

510
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Speaker 1: not that the physical game is over, Like your body

511
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Speaker 1: comes back too, So it like you ride these waves

512
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Speaker 1: of like highs and lows of feeling really good running

513
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Speaker 1: and then having to use your brain, and then feeling

514
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Speaker 1: really good running and then having to use your brain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I've heard that analogy before of having two buckets and

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Speaker 3: they both have a hole in it, and if you

518
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Speaker 3: spend all of your time trying to fill up one

519
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Speaker 3: of them and you let the other one bleed out

520
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Speaker 3: completely or leak out completely, then you're going to realize, like, shoot,

521
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Speaker 3: I needed what was in that first bucket that I

522
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Speaker 3: just didn't give any attention to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a cool one for you.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned having to drop out of that hundred mile race.

525
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Speaker 3: How did you pick yourself up after that hurdle?

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Speaker 1: So I had dropped because I had given up on myself.

527
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Speaker 1: And when I watched the finish line of this race

528
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Speaker 1: and saw all of these people who had pushed through

529
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Speaker 1: to make it to that finish line, I instantly decided

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Speaker 1: I didn't care if I was a person who was

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Speaker 1: supposed to run one hundred miles. I was going to

532
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Speaker 1: run a hundred miles and I wanted to figure it out.

533
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Speaker 1: And so then it was like going to the drawing

534
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Speaker 1: board of like, you know, what could I do better

535
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Speaker 1: to prepare myself for one hundred mile race one year

536
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Speaker 1: from now? And like, you know, there's so many people

537
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Speaker 1: with so much knowledge out there, So it was like

538
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Speaker 1: getting on the Google machine and just like, you know,

539
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Speaker 1: what gear do people use? What do people eat? Like

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Speaker 1: how could I put some races throughout my year that

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Speaker 1: helped me build towards one hundred miles? And then when

542
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Speaker 1: I stood on the start line of that one hundred

543
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Speaker 1: one year later, it was like, I'm finishing this thing.

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Speaker 1: We'll figure it out as we go to problem solve

545
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Speaker 1: and like get through those hundred miles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting to think about training for one

547
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Speaker 3: hundred mile race because, for instance, if you google how

548
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Speaker 3: long does do I need to train for a marathon,

549
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Speaker 3: most websites will tell you between like fourteen and twenty weeks, right,

550
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Speaker 3: depending on your level of fitness. So when you google

551
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Speaker 3: how long do I need to train for an ultra

552
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Speaker 3: of one hundred miles?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is it that you even find?

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Speaker 1: It's pretty cool because the sport is definitely growing, and

555
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Speaker 1: so there's starting to be more information out there, Like

556
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: there's books about it now, there's all sorts of you know,

557
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: knowledgeable people on the interwebs who have like put their

558
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Speaker 1: two cents out there of what helps. But I decided

559
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Speaker 1: like I don't want to coach. I want to just

560
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Speaker 1: figure out this puzzle by myself because that sounded fun.

561
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Speaker 1: Like I was like, that's part of the intrigue of

562
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Speaker 1: this sport for me right now, is like figuring out

563
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Speaker 1: all of the pieces that I don't even know exists,

564
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Speaker 1: Like how many pieces is this puzzle? I had no idea,

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Speaker 1: you know, So I was just like, let's start with

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Speaker 1: what we can do and then as the pieces like

567
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Speaker 1: show themselves to be another thing to figure out. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll just figure that out too.

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Speaker 3: in this, like, Yeah, I think it's a little bit

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Speaker 3: crazy to go after that type of goal without any

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean I was raised. My parents

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Speaker 1: go all in and try your very best at it

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Speaker 1: and see what happens. Because then at least you'll know.

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Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, sports were like that,

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Speaker 1: but also just like life things like friendships or school

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Speaker 1: projects or you know, anything we were taking on. They

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660
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Speaker 1: all the way. So I feel like that's like bled

661
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: through a lot of things in my life.

662
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: So how does the one hundred miler go?

663
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: The second attempt at it? Yeah, yeah, I made it.

664
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: It was so cool. So I had my husband and

665
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: my brother and my dad. It was in Minnesota, which

666
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: is where I'm from, which made it feel really special,

667
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: and none of us knew what we were doing, but

668
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: we knew that we were getting to that finish line

669
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: and we'd figure it out. And so yeah, I mean

670
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: it was just one step at a time, basically, especially

671
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: towards the end. One step was all I could think about,

672
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: and slowly those steps added up to a finish line.

673
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: And you say we, which I think is a really

674
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: important thing for us to touch on right here, because

675
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: oftentimes in ultrarunning, you will assemble some sort of like

676
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: a pit crew per se of friends, family, acquaintances, et

677
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: cetera who can help you on your journey to get

678
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: to your big goal.

679
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: So talk us through how that works in that scenario.

680
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really cool. Part of ultra running is

681
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: the ability to have a crew or even pace, And

682
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: so a crew would be whoever you can coerce into

683
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: spending their weekend with you. Bribery always helps, but they

684
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: get to meet you at aid stations along the way,

685
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: so maybe you see them every like six to twenty miles,

686
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: depending on the stretch of terrain that you're covering. And

687
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: when they meet you there, they can have any extra

688
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: gear for you, they can have specific snacks or food

689
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: that you request, and they can just be like that

690
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: friendly face that knows what to say and when to

691
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: say it, and can, you know, deliver a joke if

692
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: you need it, or just give you a big hug

693
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: and send you on your way if that's what you need.

694
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: So ultra running for sure feels like a team sport

695
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: because of that aspect of it. And then some races

696
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: allow a pacer to jump in with you, so one

697
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: of those crew members could run with you for a

698
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: stretch of the race, like they could run you to

699
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: the next aid station twenty miles away, and so then

700
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: you get to share those twenty miles together, which is

701
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: my absolute favorite part, just because I think the memories

702
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: that we make with people is what it's all about.

703
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: And so to have that specific, you know, set of

704
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: miles with that friend or husband or sibling is like,

705
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, those are memories that last forever.

706
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: I love how you worded it that they get to

707
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: meet you at these aid stations.

708
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like driving out in the middle of nowhere,

709
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: surviving on gas station food.

710
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: And I mean you mentioned earlier the different types of

711
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: ultras that there are, right, Like, obviously there are trail ultras,

712
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: there are out and backs. There are you mentioned doing

713
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: one on a track, which is just insanity to me.

714
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: But then also what is popularly referred to as a

715
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: backyard ultra, So what does that mean?

716
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: A backyard ultra is a sort of new format that

717
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: was a brainchild of this guy named Lazarus Lake, who's

718
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: also the race director for a race called the Barkley.

719
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: So people may have seen that Netflix documentary. If you haven't,

720
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: you should look it up. But he came up with

721
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: this idea of giving people the opportunity to see how

722
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: far they can go if the format is set up

723
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: for success in distance. So he said, in this backyard format,

724
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: people will run four miles every hour and that's it.

725
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: That's as far as you can go, and then you'll

726
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: just wait until the next hour and go again. And

727
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: so four miles an hour. I mean, it is like

728
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: a decently sustainable pace for quite a while. And it's

729
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: a really cool format because the only way that you're

730
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: out of the race is if you drop, so you

731
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: say I won't do anymore, or you don't make it

732
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: back in time. But for the most part, people may

733
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: get back in time, and then they're sitting there and

734
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: they're thinking, like four miles in one hour, like I

735
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: can do one more loop, and so then they get

736
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: up and they do another loop and end up shocking

737
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: themselves with how far they can go. I did a

738
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: backyard format a few years back, and one person there

739
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: was like, my goal today is to run my first marathon.

740
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: So four miles an hour, four marathon. Do you know

741
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: how many miles? They ended up doing?

742
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: How many?

743
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: Like seventy two because they kept sitting there and then

744
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, I can do one more lap, So

745
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: they'd get out of the chair and they'd start the

746
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: next lap. And then there's four more miles and then

747
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, I'm done. There's no way, I'm

748
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: over a marathon. But then they'd be like, I'll do

749
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: another lap, and it's so cool, Like what a way

750
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: to see what's possible by setting up a race with

751
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: this crazy format.

752
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 3: I think that I mean, that mentality is what caught

753
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: on with the Goggins Challenge over the last year and

754
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: a half. Right, Like people all over the country and

755
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: the world all started just going out and running a

756
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: handful of miles every hour over what was it like

757
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: forty eight hours?

758
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so cool. It's the same thing, and

759
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: it sounds impossible. If you sit there and you mull

760
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: it over, you're like, oh my legs, my feet hurt

761
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: so bad, there's no way. But then you just do it.

762
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: It's like all those steps bring you back to four

763
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: more miles and then you've got one more lap under

764
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: your belt. That's so cool.

765
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: It's so cool. It's so cool.

766
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: So at this point, after completing that one hundred miler,

767
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 3: you must feel on top of the world. Talk to

768
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: me about when you start to realize like, not only

769
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 3: did I just do that, but I'm actually pretty good

770
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: at this, very good at this.

771
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: In fact, what I knew when I finished that first

772
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: hundred is that I liked it and I wanted to

773
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: try again and see if I could do it better, because,

774
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: like I don't know, you get it, you get that

775
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: finished one time, like any race distance, you know, a

776
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: five k or ten k, you do it one time,

777
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: and like you can reflect back and think of all

778
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: of the things in your training or during the race

779
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: that might have helped make it better. That's then what

780
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to do moving forward is like reflect on

781
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: this one hundred mile distance, on my training, on everything

782
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: I did to lead up to it and during it

783
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: and make it so it was better.

784
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: It's so interesting, right because I would I would argue

785
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: that you and I are both growth mindset people.

786
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: And I think about those.

787
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: Individuals that just want to check off a marathon on

788
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: their bucket list and they do the marathon, but somehow

789
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: after it's done, they don't get that itch, and like

790
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily understand those people, Like I'm I'm not

791
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: trying to shade them. I'm so proud of their accomplishment,

792
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: whether you know it's going out to run for two

793
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: minutes or going out to run for two hundred miles.

794
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 3: But it still blows my mind that you can taste

795
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: how awesome it is to push your own potential and

796
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: be like, you know what, I'm good.

797
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: Maybe, though, then they're just pivoting and they want to, like,

798
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, dabble in as many different cool challenges as possible.

799
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: We'll give them that benefit of that doubt. We'll give

800
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 2: them that bete of it doubt.

801
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so you realize that you want to do

802
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: it better, talk to me, let's fast forward a little

803
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: bit and bring this like up in the mileage, right,

804
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: So you want to do it better. You conquer the

805
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: hundred again, and then this just starts to become like

806
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: kind of a regular thing for you, so much so

807
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: that you leave your job teaching.

808
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my first retirement.

809
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: Talk me through that thought process and like kind of

810
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: probably that was a really surreal moment for you.

811
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy, and I'm still pinching myself that like,

812
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing right now with my life.

813
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: But I had done a bunch of one hundred mile

814
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: races at that point, a bunch of you know, shorter

815
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: distance ultras, and I loved it. I loved everything about

816
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: the sport and the training and the racing and the community,

817
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: and I just felt like I wasn't all in on

818
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: it like I wanted to be because of like a

819
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: normal work schedule. And so my husband and I were

820
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: just chatting about life and like, you know, the fact

821
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: that we get to choose our path that we take,

822
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: and we talked about when we're ninety and we're sitting

823
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: on our rocking chairs and we're looking back at this moment,

824
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: are we going to wonder what if or what could

825
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: have been if we had gone all in on ultra running?

826
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: And so we were like, well, what's the harm in trying?

827
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: Like the worst thing that happens is I realize that

828
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: it's not going to work or this lifestyle isn't for us,

829
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: and then I pivot back and find a job again.

830
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: So it was like, this is a nice little side

831
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: detour we can try out and just see. And I

832
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: was really nervous that I was going to start to

833
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: not like running because switching to having it be a

834
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: job as opposed to this thing that I got to

835
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: do for fun all of the time was like, oh

836
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like what if suddenly I lose this outlet

837
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: that I have that I've had my whole life of

838
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, how I want to spend my time or

839
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: mentally recharge, But that didn't happen. Like it's still a blast.

840
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: I still love it so much and it doesn't feel

841
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: any different now that it is my job.

842
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: What year is retirement number one?

843
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: That was in twenty seventeen in the summer.

844
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: Okay, there has to be some level of maybe anxiety

845
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: that goes hand in hand with that running becoming your job,

846
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: because now whereas you used to you know, leave your

847
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: house and maybe go to school or like be working

848
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 3: on lessons plans, Like what did a week start to

849
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: look like for you?

850
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: I knew that I didn't want to lose running as

851
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: this love that I had, So just having that like

852
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: be acknowledged and framing everything for me made it so

853
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: that it didn't change the feeling that I had. So

854
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: I didn't suddenly have anxiety about my performances. I didn't

855
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: have anxiety about you know, training. Basically, I just had

856
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: a wide open day and all of these puzzle pieces

857
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: of ultra running that I still was tinkering with, and

858
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: so I got to just play with those and get

859
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: in some more like concentrated amounts of training, so instead

860
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: of like piecemealing together, you know, forty five minutes at

861
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: a time a couple times throughout the day. Now I

862
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: could get in a long run on a Tuesday of

863
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, hours or whatever. So yeah, it was crazy

864
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: and cool and I feel really lucky that I'm still

865
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: doing it and still loving it.

866
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 3: What would you say after you started this new chapter

867
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: making this your career, when you felt you really arrived

868
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 3: into it, when you felt like you had truly made

869
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: your name as this woman that was about to change.

870
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: I would argue, this sport forever. I don't know, You're like,

871
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: how are you saying this to me?

872
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: It's such a cool sport. I can't wait for you

873
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: to do a fifty.

874
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: Kid, stop deflecting my own question back at me and

875
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: talk to me about your big accomplishments all right after,

876
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: Because you don't go just jump from one hundred to

877
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: G forty.

878
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen like that.

879
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: No, it was a lot of hundreds and slowly, Like

880
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: we were talking about recovery time earlier, recovery time was

881
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: getting better, Like I wasn't feeling so wrecked after every

882
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: big effort, like that, and so it was like I

883
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: don't know, like, oh my gosh are the building blocks?

884
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: The base has gotten bigger, and so now you know

885
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: what else could we do with that? Let's see what

886
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: else is out there? And there happens to be race

887
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: directors now who are making races of two hundred plus miles,

888
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: So obviously I had to try it.

889
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: Did anyone like in your inner circle when you like

890
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: started to say like, so I think I'm going to

891
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: do this thing next? Was anyone ever surprised? Did anyone

892
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: ever maybe give you like a are you sure you

893
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: want to do this? Or was this just like everyone

894
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: was on your level of crazy?

895
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: Mostly everyone was just like, yeah, okay, try it, Like

896
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: why not? So like initially my family and friends, you know,

897
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: I was getting into ultras were like what is this sport?

898
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: Like you're telling me people do that for fun, like

899
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: you're running one hundred miles because you want to. But

900
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: over the years then they were like all in on it.

901
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: They got it. You know how cool the community was.

902
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: They came to stuff and got immersed in it. So

903
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: I think when I called like friends or my parents

904
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm doing this two hundred and forty

905
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: mile race. They were like, okay, yeah, cool, is there

906
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: a way to track it?

907
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: Can we keep track of you?

908
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's like the meanest part of it all is

909
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: there is tracking usually, so my dad or my whole

910
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: family really during a race that's two hundred and forty

911
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: miles takes a while, so it's like days of running

912
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: and they'll just be like refreshing, like their hand is

913
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: just stuck in that refresh like position for their phones

914
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 1: for I mean fifty eight hours. That's a really long

915
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: time to be like thinking about someone running.

916
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: I think that again, like going back to the idea

917
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: of someone hearing you, like being excited on taking out

918
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: all of these challenges. Like so many times we hear

919
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: stories of endurance athletes and that question is like is

920
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: this person okay, Like is there something that you're trying

921
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: to run from or do you think rather that there's

922
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: something that you're trying to run too.

923
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm running towards something. So what's keeping me

924
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: in the sport and signing up for these long efforts

925
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: is just a curiosity for what's possible. I think from

926
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: the beginning, like the fact that I kept like shocking

927
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: myself that you know, I didn't die running fifty k.

928
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I didn't die running fifty miles. I didn't die running

929
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: one hundred miles. And all of the puzzle pieces kind

930
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: of emerging made it so it was like, Oh, my gosh,

931
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: what's actually possible. I don't think we know yet what

932
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: can happen when our bodies and our brains are putting

933
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: all of their effort into this sport.

934
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: Talk me through the first two hundred plus mile race.

935
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: It was in Moab. It was two hundred and forty

936
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: miles Moabs in Utah. It's very beautiful canyon desert y

937
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: sort of terrain. But then there's also this mountain range

938
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: over there in Utah called the LaSalle Mountains that are

939
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: classic mountains like rocky and snowy and forested and stuff.

940
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: And so this two hundred and forty mile race makes

941
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: a huge two hundred and forty mile loop that takes

942
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: you through the desert and canyons and then into those

943
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: big high altitude mountains as well. So it just has

944
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: this like really cool variety of terrain. And for sure

945
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: I have the same feelings standing on that start line

946
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: of my first fifty k or my first marathon where

947
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: I was like oh my gosh, two hundred and forty miles, Like,

948
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna make it, but I'm

949
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna try. So I was, yeah, shocked to make it

950
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: all two hundred and forty.

951
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, how long does something like that

952
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: take you?

953
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: That one took me fifty eight hours.

954
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: And in those fifty hours, how many hours of sleep

955
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: did you.

956
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: Get during that race? I got twenty one minutes of sleep.

957
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god, okay, twenty one minutes of sleep. How

958
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: many toenails did you lose?

959
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: Ooh, good question. Maybe I lost two or three in

960
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: that effort.

961
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: And when you say you lost two or three, do

962
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: you lose them after or when you're going for that long?

963
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: Like do they actually fall off during it?

964
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: The whole process? After?

965
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: After?

966
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'm sure the aid station stops, like you

967
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: can't even count them because at this point where the

968
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 3: race like that, like you're constantly eating.

969
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: Constantly eating. I think the aid stations were roughly every

970
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: twenty miles in that way, and they were, yeah, fantastic.

971
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: They would have all these like hot food options in

972
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: the night sections or cold stuff because during the day

973
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: we were in the nineties. I think so it was

974
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: getting pretty toasty out there. But then on my second night,

975
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: I remember we were down in like single digits, so

976
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: it was a big swing in temperature. But basically during

977
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: a race like that, any carbs are amazing. So I

978
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: was doing like tons of pancakes, quesadillas, hamburgers, mashed potatoes,

979
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: really any form of potatoes.

980
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: Always down for potatoes.

981
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a uh yeah, just trying to like, I mean,

982
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: you need fuel to keep going, so trying to keep

983
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: the tank as full as possible.

984
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: So then when someone hears that you finished in Moab

985
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: ten hours ahead of the next competitor and the next

986
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: competitor was a man, we just need to like run

987
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: that home like about like twenty two times because I

988
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: just feel like so I want to scream that from

989
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 3: the rooftop.

990
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here.

991
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 3: The real question is just how what is it about

992
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: you that sets you apart from the other people that

993
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: are tackling the sport.

994
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I do know that for me,

995
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: the mental game has become very very important. So I

996
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: rely a lot on my brain to help me keep

997
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: moving forward as best I can. And when I'm racing,

998
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't care what place I'm in. I want to

999
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: make sure I leave everything out there, so when I

1000
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: cross the finish line, I don't want to I wonder

1001
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: what could have been if I had done those twenty

1002
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: miles better or done that one section more efficiently. So

1003
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: I'm trying to just like lay it all out there

1004
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: every time I am towing the line.

1005
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: Have you ever had an injury that completely just rocked

1006
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: your world.

1007
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: I've only had one injury in my ten years of

1008
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: ultra running knock on Wood, but it took me out

1009
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: of a race. So it was a hip injury that

1010
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 1: basically like that whole leg shut down at about mile

1011
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: sixty ish maybe during one hundred mile race, and it

1012
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: was like the type of flags going up for me

1013
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: where it was like, Oh, this isn't something you stay

1014
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: mentally strong through and push through, Like this is your

1015
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: body telling you something's wrong and you need to just

1016
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:52,959
Speaker 1: stop the race.

1017
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 3: You mentioned also earlier the different things in your toolbox

1018
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 3: that you have to consistently be working on. One of

1019
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 3: those things, as we've kind of hinted at time and

1020
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 3: time again, here is nutrition, maybe not during the race,

1021
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: but talk about the things that you're mindful of on

1022
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: the regular with this type of training routine that you have.

1023
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: I like my training and self coaching, try to really

1024
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: tune in to what my body is asking for. So

1025
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: I think like cravings and our bodies tell us a

1026
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: lot of things if we listen, and so I will

1027
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: try to listen to those always to help me feed myself. Well,

1028
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't cut out any food groups. I make sure

1029
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: to eat just a lot and then to include any

1030
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: of the cravings that I'm having. So sometimes it's like

1031
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: ground beef on everything, I'm like, oh my gosh, I

1032
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: just need some red meat. Sometimes it's you know a

1033
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: lot of greens or things like that. But taking care

1034
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: of myself outside of the running piece is important, but

1035
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: also not losing the joy like eating and not thinking

1036
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: about food. So eating things I love is part of

1037
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: joy for me. And so I want to, you know,

1038
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: start the day with pancakes because I love pancakes. And

1039
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: I want to end the day with a beer because

1040
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I love beer. You know, anything in between there is

1041
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: like fair game.

1042
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: I think favorite pancake, Like I'm a banana chocolate chit

1043
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: pancake kind of person.

1044
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, so one of my partners is

1045
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: Kodiak pancakes. Have you had those?

1046
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: I have their protein pancakes.

1047
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they make these cups that are perfect because

1048
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: I hate to use dishes in the kitchen, Like if

1049
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: I can just eat something out of a box or

1050
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: just eat it out of a container, I much prefer that.

1051
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: And these cups, these power cups are just like pancakes

1052
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: that you put water in and throw in the microwave

1053
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: and then you're ready to eat pancakes in like two minutes.

1054
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: There's nothing to like about that.

1055
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they have some really good flavors, like cinnamon

1056
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: roll is one of my favorites, blueberry maple is another.

1057
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go to the grocery store and

1058
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: get myself some pancake cups, all right. So to bring

1059
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 3: this full circle now, October twentieth, two hundred and eighty

1060
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: three point three three miles at the Bigs Backyard Ultra

1061
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,959
Speaker 3: and you think, after this, you wonder to yourself, could

1062
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: I have gone farther?

1063
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely talk to me about those days.

1064
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it was like any run that anyone experiences.

1065
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: So there were good moments, there were terrible moments. There

1066
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: were moments where doubt started to grow and then there

1067
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: were the moments where it was like just staying positive

1068
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: and using mental strength to keep moving. So it rollercoastered

1069
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: a ton and it's like that format where you can

1070
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: just surprise yourself. So for me, it was like one

1071
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: lap at a time, and even on those laps, it

1072
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: was like I knew a tree that I could get

1073
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: to in a certain amount of time, So when I

1074
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: started the lap, I was like, just get to the tree,

1075
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, that's easy. Get to the tree, and then

1076
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: whatever the next section was. So it was very piecemealed.

1077
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: I never let myself think about how far I had

1078
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: gone or how much farther I was trying to go.

1079
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: And it's interesting, right, because the rules of this competition

1080
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: were that you could only keep going as long as

1081
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 3: one other person was still competing for you that competition.

1082
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: Harvey Lewis is this other athlete's name.

1083
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: And it's interesting, right because in this moment, it's like

1084
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 3: you want to come out on top, but you also

1085
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 3: need this person to keep going.

1086
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why it's a really special format. Because

1087
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: of that where we were each other's cheerleaders. Neither one

1088
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: of us wanted the other to drop because we wanted

1089
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: as a unit to see what was possible. And I

1090
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: think that makes it just really cool. You know, like

1091
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: we weren't competing against each other. We were competing with

1092
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: each other against the course and against time to see

1093
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: if we could outlast those things.

1094
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Speaker 2: How did that feel for you when that was over?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. It just like suddenly is over.

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Speaker 1: Like you think it's gonna be going forever. You're thinking

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: about your flight that leaves in a few days and

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: if you're gonna miss it or not, you know, and

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Speaker 1: then suddenly it's just done.

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Speaker 2: But it was cool.

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01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: It made me wonder, you know, what else is possible.

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Speaker 2: I just talked.

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Speaker 3: We talked at the top of this episode, just drawing

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01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: New York Marathon. So often we hear about the post

1105
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 3: and mayoron Blues talk to us about if you experience

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 3: that come down after you go through and rock so

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01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 3: many of these crazy accomplishments.

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01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: I usually, thankfully don't experience much of a post race blues.

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly why. I know that I

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: usually have a whole calendar of events, and so whatever

1111
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: race just happened was just one of them. And so

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01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: it's never like carrying the weight of the world. For me,

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: it's like, well, that was just one race that we

1114
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: got to try. It went well or it didn't go well, whatever,

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01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: But now eyes are forward for the next thing. And

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Speaker 1: I know, like my friends and my husband and my family,

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01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: they don't give a whot about results or any of it.

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01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: So I think that helps, you know, like after a

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: race or in the weeks after a race, and I

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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: can get together with them and we're not talking about racing.

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: We're talking about other things.

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01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: Other things.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of other things, three hundred and twenty four thousand

1124
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: people following you on social media, they go there, they

1125
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 3: look at your page. They see this ultrarunner in your

1126
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: words with a love for sunshine, long en seams, and candy.

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Speaker 2: I love a long en seam for you.

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Speaker 3: When you look in the mirror, Courtney, what is it

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01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 3: that you see looking back at you?

1130
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Speaker 1: I hope a person that helps make other people's day better.

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01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting to me again like kind of just

1133
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: like for a second, thinking about the sheer number of

1134
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: people that are trying to keep up with you. Because

1135
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: your sport is so one where you seek to be

1136
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: off the grid to tap into your own potential. But

1137
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 3: you just said here that you hope to inspire others

1138
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: using your platform. Do you ever feel like a little

1139
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 3: maybe caught up in that, or kind of like confused

1140
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 3: in that, or obligated that.

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01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: Even in my head, I'm like in this chapter right

1142
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: now that you know eventually this chapter will end and

1143
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: I'll move on to whatever chapter is coming next, and

1144
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: so to enjoy this chapter as much as possible while

1145
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: it's here, so that you know, I know, later in

1146
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: life and I look back on this, I lived it

1147
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: as fully as possible. So I get to interact with

1148
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: all of these people and hear bits of their stories.

1149
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: I get to run a lot of miles by myself

1150
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: and with friends, and like, I don't know all the

1151
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: pieces in it. I'm trying to just soak up as

1152
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: much as I.

1153
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: Can right now.

1154
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: You have an opportunity to offer the Courtney who had

1155
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: to pull out of that first hundred mile race looking

1156
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: back on it, a piece of advice during that hurdle moment.

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01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: What do you tell her Ooh.

1158
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean really, I'd be like, chill out a little bit, maybe, Yeah,

1159
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: something like slow as smooth, smooth as fast, so that

1160
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: just all the systems can slow down and I could

1161
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: actually assess what was going on and not get sucked

1162
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: in by this negative vortex.

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01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: What do you say to the people that think what

1164
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 3: you do is crazy.

1165
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: To give it a try?

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01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I love that. So good, so good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for sitting down with me today. I

1168
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: just love like your energy and your optimism and everything

1169
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: that you're putting out into the world. I think that

1170
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 3: we can all learn a lot from someone who has

1171
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 3: so much hope about seeking out like the biggest of

1172
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 3: the biggest, crazy, fun, audacious goals.

1173
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,479
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thanks for chatting. Let's in touch about

1174
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: what fifty k you might try.

1175
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I know that you don't like to look

1176
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 3: for help, but I'm totally fine with asking for how hope,

1177
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 3: So when I figure out what I'm gonna do, I'm

1178
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 3: gonna be like, yo, Court, I need a training plan,

1179
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 3: and I need you to come over and bring me

1180
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: pancakes and mugs and.

1181
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: I'll be there and you, oh my go please. You

1182
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: don't even imagine. I am brand new to this, but

1183
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: I kind of brought this beast of a crew. If

1184
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: you don't mind.

1185
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: How do how do the hurdlers follow along with you?

1186
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 3: How do they keep up with you. Give me all

1187
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 3: your details.

1188
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: Best place is probably Instagram at Courtney.

1189
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 3: Dualter Beautiful, I'm Over, at Emily Body, and at Hurdle

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: Podcast Another Hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.