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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Renee Stuff Simms Podcast, and we

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Speaker 1: are joined once again by Kaitlin Thompson. Caitlin's in London.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in London and you're in New York

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Speaker 1: still mate, but we are here for you, guys. What

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks of the French Open, Kitlin. There's

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Speaker 1: so many storylines. I know there's one you really want

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Speaker 1: to talk about in particular, and that's the coronation of

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Speaker 1: our guy, Sasha Zverev.

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Speaker 2: Never heard of him, Never heard of him. I can't

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Speaker 2: wait to talk about the grass and turn the page.

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Speaker 2: But there were some amazing, amazing outcomes this weekend that

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to talk about. I am thrilled with the

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Speaker 2: women's tournament. I thought it was really excellent. I thought

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Speaker 2: we had a worthy champion in the form of Mirra Andreva.

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Speaker 2: I thought Conchita getting her second player to a Grand

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Speaker 2: Slam result was tremendous. I loved seeing the two of

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Speaker 2: them celebrating with one of my favorites, Garbinia Muguruza, who

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Speaker 2: of course was the other player that Kunchiita Martinez coach

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Speaker 2: to not one, but two Grand Slams.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think there.

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Speaker 2: Are lots of positives from the clay season that I

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Speaker 2: am very very excited to talk about. Obviously, mostly focused

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Speaker 2: on the last two weeks here of Roland Garos, the

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Speaker 2: men's tournament, Koboli, you called it, he was gonna be

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Speaker 2: a threat.

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Speaker 3: He almost did it.

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Speaker 2: I have a hilarious quote from one of my wife's

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Speaker 2: tennis friends, who is the most Italian person that I

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Speaker 2: think any of us have ever possibly encountered, who was

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Speaker 2: living and breathing and dying and suffering along with all

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Speaker 2: of us during that match, who called him her baby

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Speaker 2: Roman gladiator. My baby Roman Gladiator came up short and

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Speaker 2: I said, you know, he's everybody's baby Roman gladiator today,

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Speaker 2: and he did.

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Speaker 1: But you know, good on him for pushing it to five. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do we want to talk about. We

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the man of the women first.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to give this a chance to

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Speaker 1: you to do well.

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Speaker 2: I started with the women, So maybe let's go there.

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Speaker 2: I know obviously you know Country really well. We both

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Speaker 2: met Miro and Dreva. We've talked about her at length.

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Speaker 2: Let's start there, just because I think the women's tournament

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Speaker 2: had a lot of rich storylines and.

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Speaker 3: A good I think a good outcome it did.

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the women. I do

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Conchetah. I do want to talk

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Speaker 1: about female coaches. We've talked about it quite a bit

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Speaker 1: on this podcast for lots of reasons. One for my

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Speaker 1: own personal reasons, and also for just the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is the second time she's taken a player to

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Speaker 1: win a major title. This one, I think is quite

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Speaker 1: significant because this is a young player. This is a

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Speaker 1: young player that she's helped mold over the last year

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Speaker 1: and a half. You know, I don't know how exactly

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Speaker 1: how long they've been working together, but it feels like

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Speaker 1: about almost two years. But the thing that I love

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Speaker 1: about this story is that it has not been all roses.

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Speaker 1: It has not been easy. It's not been something that

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Speaker 1: Conchitah and Mirror would say has been easy from the

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Speaker 1: It has not. And I can tell you from my

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Speaker 1: You know, Conchi and I do talk about this quite

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Speaker 1: a bit. We text, we exchange thoughts, and I take

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Speaker 1: a bit of pride. And you know, Azul, who is

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Speaker 1: also the fitness trainer for Mira Andreva, was with me

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Speaker 1: when I was working with Carolina Plishkober and I brought

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Speaker 1: Conchita into the coaching team with Carolina Polshchober years and

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Speaker 1: years ago because I couldn't do, you know, the one

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Speaker 1: US Open when I was working with Carolina, and I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: would like to bring somebody in that I trust, that

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Speaker 1: I find is a great coach, somebody that helped me

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Speaker 1: then bringing her back into the follow with Carolina, and

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Speaker 1: with Mira Andreva. So she kind of pilfered him away

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Speaker 1: So I love when teams fitness trainers and coaches and

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Speaker 1: that Concheedah gave her pretty much ultimatums like you either

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Speaker 1: much longer. And you have to tell them at some point,

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Speaker 1: even the young ones, Yes, you can only go so

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Speaker 1: much saying yeah, but she's eighteen, Ah, but she's nineteen.

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Speaker 1: It's like you have to say to them, I'm not

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Speaker 1: the best thing that you've ever had as a coach

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Speaker 1: and an influence with you, and you better start listening

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Speaker 1: to me or things are going to go south. And

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Speaker 1: even though you're the one paying the bill. And that's

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Speaker 1: the difference is that in tennis, you pay the bill

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Speaker 1: reward for listening to Conchetah. And also she gave a

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Speaker 1: gave a shout out to her psychologists because, let me

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Speaker 1: adamantly thank her sports psychologists in her you know, in

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Speaker 1: So just kudos all around to her entire team.

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Speaker 3: You summed it up so nicely.

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Speaker 2: It's been amazing to see during the great peaking moments

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Speaker 2: Andreva Wan coming off a great Middle Eastern swing, she's

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Speaker 2: got a couple of masters one thousands, but she's also

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Speaker 2: at this year's Indian Wells, you know, blew up.

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Speaker 3: And cursed out attendee just you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Was in Australia. She told people to f off too,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get it. She's pretty fun.

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Speaker 2: We did a Big Wilson project in Indian Wells this

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: But it was really fun and she was like, let's

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Speaker 2: Coming in and taking up space. She was friendly, she

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Speaker 2: obviously you know, sort of protagonist vibes. I do have

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Speaker 2: to say, Renee, and I really want to save it

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Speaker 2: because instead of reader questions this week, I want to

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Speaker 2: go into a little bit about what you're doing and

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Speaker 2: how happy I am for you as my friend, because

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Speaker 2: you're getting to do a lot of what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: But let's save that.

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Speaker 2: Just so we can continue on with the Roland Garros

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Speaker 2: and also that I feel deserves its own section, if

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Speaker 2: that's okay.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, because I actually didn't throw out a question

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Speaker 1: to al Rita's you've been busy, yeah, and I'm busy

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, Mira Andreva, you know we've seen her in

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Speaker 3: Do you think we'll.

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Speaker 2: See her much more in later stages of the tournaments?

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Speaker 2: I kind of wasn't sure what to make of her.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously her lefty spin tactics variety was effective

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Speaker 2: don't know how well that translates outside of things. You know,

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Speaker 2: at the very least, great job making the most money

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Speaker 2: that you've certainly remained by several orders of magnitude. But

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope it gives her a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: confidence that she can play. I think on clay she's

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Speaker 1: Please stop telling me that the tennis would be better.

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Speaker 1: Please stop telling me it's better for the spectators. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: And Sablenka has no excuse to lose that match.

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Speaker 2: court at one point. He came back against Joef and Sika.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm stalling, obviously, but I'm also shouting out

432
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Speaker 2: there that the fact that there were a number of interesting, inspired,

433
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Speaker 2: varied performances not so much by too many American men,

434
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Speaker 2: which I feel, you know, for a lot of them,

435
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Speaker 2: is time is ticking slipping away. Ben Shelton obviously won

436
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Speaker 2: a tournament in Humburg. On the lead up to it,

437
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Speaker 2: I thought we had high your host for him, Tiafo

438
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Speaker 2: had a very winnable match.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, and should have won a match that

440
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Speaker 1: he will very much regret.

441
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Speaker 2: On a pretty key point, and then ended up losing

442
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Speaker 2: in five. You know, I don't know what's happening with

443
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Speaker 2: Tommy Pohl, but I'm always I.

444
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Speaker 1: Mean, I'm happy for me, but he's like I thought,

445
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Speaker 1: he played pretty well. He you know, had a really

446
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Speaker 1: tough loss, and considering the year he had last year

447
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Speaker 1: and considering his health, I'm okay with it. I'm okay

448
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Speaker 1: with it. I think he'll play well on grass. He

449
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: won Queens you know, a couple of years ago, leading

450
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Speaker 1: into Wimbledon, and I think as long as he's healthy,

451
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Speaker 1: and he's fit. I think Tommy will have a good summer.

452
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Speaker 1: I do believe that. I think he had a tough

453
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Speaker 1: one at the French but I was happy to see

454
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Speaker 1: him play pretty good tennis. Cobboli was great. But I

455
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Speaker 1: will tell you Francis Tifo, man, he's gonna regret losing

456
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Speaker 1: that match. And of course we know what happened to

457
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Speaker 1: his opponent that ended up not even being able to

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Speaker 1: finish the tournament. So you know that that was a

459
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Speaker 1: sad fact. But you know, look, Francis, he's lost, you know,

460
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of weight, he's like got his speed up,

461
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Speaker 1: he is hitting the ball. Well, I just god, man,

462
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Speaker 1: he got to close that match out up for one

463
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Speaker 1: like that. That was a that was a hard loss

464
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Speaker 1: to view. But hey, we said it. We said we

465
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Speaker 1: would give credit where it's jew and he didn't pay that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: Well I did because I'm a person in my word

468
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Speaker 1: and I have to say that. I thought when he

469
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Speaker 1: lost the fourth set yesterday, I thought he was going

470
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Speaker 1: to struggle in the fifth. The only reason why he

471
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Speaker 1: ended up winning, I believe, is because I think Cobboli

472
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Speaker 1: didn't think he could win, you know, and people like

473
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about him on the fourth set?

474
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Speaker 1: I'm like, blah, blah blah. There's a difference between winning

475
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Speaker 1: a set, winning two sets, and winning a match and

476
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Speaker 1: winning a major title, the mental circus that's going on

477
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Speaker 1: in your head as a tennis player. It's hard for

478
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Speaker 1: me to describe to people. But and I have not

479
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Speaker 1: won a single's Grand Slam. Clearly, I've won doubles Grand Slams.

480
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Speaker 1: But I know the difference between when I onto a

481
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Speaker 1: doubles final, when I really thought and knew and my

482
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Speaker 1: my subconscious and conscious minds were together that I could

483
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Speaker 1: win this match, and I knew when my subconscious mind

484
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: and my conscious mind were having an argument about could

485
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Speaker 1: we win this match? And I know the difference. And

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Speaker 1: I do believe that Koboli didn't really believe that he

487
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Speaker 1: could win. I didn't say that he didn't think he

488
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Speaker 1: could play well, But there's a difference between really believing,

489
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Speaker 1: and I think Sasha still believed that he couldn't win.

490
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Speaker 1: He maybe didn't know if he could win or not either.

491
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Speaker 1: I just think his experience in those big matches actually

492
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Speaker 1: got him through this match. Yeah, that's more than it

493
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Speaker 1: did Koboli and I don't understand, and Brad Gilbert said

494
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Speaker 1: this as well on social media. I don't understand why

495
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Speaker 1: he went off the court after winning the fourth set.

496
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Speaker 1: It was so obvious that Zverev was choking his khones off.

497
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Speaker 1: And don't at me on this because when you look

498
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Speaker 1: at the final last year, when you look at the

499
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Speaker 1: tennis at Alcoraz and Ciner play, this match was very

500
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Speaker 1: average tennis for a major final for the men's which

501
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: we've only ever seen the greats over the last twenty

502
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Speaker 1: years play in them. Most of the time. This was

503
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Speaker 1: a choke fest. It was no one really wanted to

504
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Speaker 1: grab the bull by the horns. There was some great

505
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Speaker 1: tennis play, Don't get me wrong, there was some great tennis.

506
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Speaker 1: There was fun points. You know, the shoddy hit down

507
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Speaker 1: the line to when the fourth set tie break was unbelievable,

508
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Speaker 1: but the point before was what fuck? I could have

509
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Speaker 1: made that with my left hand. Like there was stuff

510
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Speaker 1: that was like constantly just average and the better average

511
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Speaker 1: player one that's what ended up happening.

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Speaker 2: Correct, And I think to your point, you know, for

513
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Speaker 2: the lead person, belief in tennis is not just hitting balls,

514
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Speaker 2: It's not just can I win points? Can I want

515
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Speaker 2: to say, it's truly do I deserve this? Can I

516
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Speaker 2: handle this? And it's hard to explain because you're out

517
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Speaker 2: there alone. Anybody who's played competitive tennis, I think, at

518
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Speaker 2: any level has sort of faced down this idea of

519
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: like in your mind you're like, yeah, why shouldn't I

520
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: win this, and you're subconscious where you're like, I couldn't

521
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Speaker 2: possibly do this?

522
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Speaker 3: Do I deserve it? Have I worked as hard? Am

523
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Speaker 3: I got a choke?

524
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Speaker 2: I might serve tends to get a little twitchy, maybe

525
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Speaker 2: I missfire on the back end.

526
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Speaker 3: Online, whatever.

527
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Speaker 2: Like, you can't overstate how alone you are out there

528
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Speaker 2: with your thoughts, which is why this whole thing about coaching,

529
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Speaker 2: which is why all this stuff about mental coaching and

530
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: keeping your composure is so hard because there are no teammates,

531
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Speaker 2: there are no breaks. There is nowhere to go except

532
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Speaker 2: into your own interior. And I think the belief thing

533
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Speaker 2: is real, and it certainly was real for Zverev, who

534
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Speaker 2: for years and years and years couldn't get pasted, you know,

535
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Speaker 2: his own ghosts. To close out a final, it was

536
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Speaker 2: ironic and interesting that the person that he lost the

537
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Speaker 2: worstitting them final I've ever seen between two men and

538
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Speaker 2: I'm a dom Nick team fan, so this is not

539
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Speaker 2: a slight but the level of tennis the Dominic team

540
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Speaker 2: and Alex vere have played in their US Open final

541
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty.

542
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Speaker 3: Was pretty great terrible.

543
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Speaker 2: They were both hit thirty mile an hour, fourhands and

544
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: plooping the serve in like a ladies mixer at you know,

545
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Speaker 2: at lunchtime. So the fact that each of them kind

546
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Speaker 2: of out choked each other to ultimately you know, get

547
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Speaker 2: downic Nick team over the line was funny because there

548
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: he was watching Alex FAIRV. You know, yeah, sure, to

549
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Speaker 2: his credit, he won the last point.

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Speaker 1: That's what I said. What more do I have to

551
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Speaker 1: say about it? I'm not sure I will say one

552
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Speaker 1: positive thing. I think that what V has shown a

553
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Speaker 1: lot of kids with diabetes what they can do.

554
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Speaker 3: Come on, he's like some diabetes champion.

555
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: Now, no please, but I want to This is not

556
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Speaker 1: about him. This is about what kids see and I

557
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: am here for that. I'm here that the kids that

558
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Speaker 1: may have diabetes or parents that have kids without diabetes

559
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Speaker 1: make sure that they can still play a sport and

560
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Speaker 1: play it at a high level and so, you know,

561
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Speaker 1: separate from him. I think that that is something that

562
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Speaker 1: is at least a positive for kids that are struggling

563
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Speaker 1: with that and think that they maybe can't play at

564
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Speaker 1: a high level in a sport. Now, the flip side

565
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Speaker 1: of that is, we know, and it's been talked about

566
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Speaker 1: ad nauseum of the accusations of his you know, physical

567
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Speaker 1: abuse allegedly by his former two girlfriends, and that you know,

568
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Speaker 1: one of them was settled out of court, and you know,

569
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Speaker 1: people are all on Twitter saying stuff like he wasn't yeah, okay,

570
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: it was an accusation, he was never charged, blah blah blah.

571
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Speaker 1: Do you know many times hy Vey Weinstein was also like,

572
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Speaker 1: you know, it is settled out of court, like this

573
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Speaker 1: is what happened. So there's there's obviously a lot Look,

574
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of women out there that are not

575
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Speaker 1: happy with there's a lot of men out there that

576
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Speaker 1: are not happy with it, and they're not going to

577
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Speaker 1: cheer and be over the moon about it. And I

578
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Speaker 1: liked our friend Eliza did a nice little explanation of

579
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Speaker 1: why she's not going to be celebrating z Vera of

580
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Speaker 1: winning and it was just you know, him not speaking

581
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Speaker 1: up about domestic violence. No, that would be a statement

582
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Speaker 1: by him, I give money to a women's you know,

583
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: a domestic violence association or something, you know, like go

584
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: out of your way to actually say, look, I'm adamantly

585
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: not this person, you know. And I think that he

586
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: has sort of run away from that, and that's where

587
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people are disappointed, and that's why people

588
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: really have a hard time cheering for him.

589
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

590
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Speaker 2: I think the only thing I can add is, you know,

591
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Speaker 2: because we've played a small role in some of this

592
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: at Racket, I just wish the story we'd published had

593
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: been irritap. I wish it had been I wish it

594
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: had had more sources it was supposed to. I wish

595
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: it had had more evidence it was supposed to. I

596
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: think had it had all of those things, we might

597
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: be having a very different conversation and he might very

598
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: well not be playing professional tennis right now. That's my

599
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: feeling about it. You know, we didn't run away from

600
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Speaker 2: all lawsuit because we couldn't afford it. We couldn't stand

601
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: by what I was hoping would have been better work,

602
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: that would have been more thorough, that would have probably

603
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: had had the merit to be public in other places,

604
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: you know, because they're legal stuff involved That's kind of

605
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: all I want to say about it. But it is

606
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Speaker 2: a regret of mine that we missed and I don't

607
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: think we should have. And you know, if all of

608
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: the women talking about this are you know, not credible,

609
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: watching this guy go after a chair umpire and Acapulco

610
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: probably should have resulted in a ban, if not for life,

611
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: then certainly for a long time. I think if you

612
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: see that in another sport, if an athlete openly attacks

613
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: with violence on court umpire, you know, imagine in the

614
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: NBA somebody takes this wing at a ref. Oh yeah,

615
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: he should have been banned for what happens that, you know.

616
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, but you know, he got a slam. I'm

617
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: happy to not talk about him anymore. And you know,

618
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: let's go to a break and talk about more exciting

619
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: and amazing other things because there's plenty of that.

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: Sound good.

621
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Speaker 1: Sounds good to me. We'll be right back off.

622
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Speaker 4: The break, all right.

623
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Speaker 1: So, Caitlin, I know you've been dying. I know you've

624
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: been dying. Everyone's been dying to ask the questions and

625
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: so carry on. So now you are officially the social media,

626
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: it's just all about you. What do you want to

627
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: know me.

628
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I get to play the role of all of

629
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: the inquiring minds. You're saying, yeah, well, Renee, yes, you.

630
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: Are in London coaching Serena Williams.

631
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Speaker 2: Who has come back? Who is back? Who is playing

632
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: doubles with Vicki and Boco. We kind of glanced around

633
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: it earlier. I've known about this for a little bit.

634
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: You've obviously probably never lost touch with Serena because you

635
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: coached her during the last stages of what was at

636
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: the time we thought her retirement. What can you tell

637
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: us how excited everyone is, how I'm sure amazing the

638
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: outreach has been. What are you seeing? Why is she

639
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: playing with Vikim Booker, which you know, frankly, I think

640
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: is probably the least interesting question, probably because Vickim Bookers

641
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: asked them, and they'll make a great team. Tell us everything,

642
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: tell us everything, and I'll just sit here and sails

643
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: and let you regale us with all year learning behind

644
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: the scenes.

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Speaker 1: And no, I mean yeah, I have known her for

646
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Speaker 1: a while. Serena and I have been and you know

647
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Speaker 1: we've been chatting. Well, we always talk, you know, we've

648
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: remained friends. This is one of the reasons why you

649
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: know she entrusted me back when she was finishing her

650
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: career at the US Open years ago. We've always talked

651
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: about her tennis. I've always been somebody that has always,

652
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: you know it, just maintained a really good friendship, a

653
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: mentoring sort of role to her through the years. I mean,

654
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: you have to remember I played tennis against Serena when

655
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: she was eleven years of age and I was already

656
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Speaker 1: on tour. So you know, we've known each other a

657
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: really long time. So she trusts she trusts me to

658
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to tell her things, and that's another

659
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: part of it as well. And I think once she

660
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: sort of reached out, I had a feeling, well, maybe

661
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: she's thinking about coming back. And then it's slowly, you know,

662
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: the fire started to burn a little bit further and further.

663
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: I went down to Florida a couple of times, and

664
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Speaker 1: then you know, eventually over here. So look, the bottom

665
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: line is she's she just wants to play tennis. She

666
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: wants to be happy. She did a press conference yesterday.

667
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: She did mention the fact that she has nothing to prove.

668
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: She wants to enjoy her tennis. She wants to I

669
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: think play So her two year old ad you know,

670
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: child sees her play tennis, and that Olympia who's older now,

671
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: who was you know, Adra's age back when she finished

672
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: playing tennis, actually sees her playing tennis at an age

673
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: that she can understand it better and understand how cool

674
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: mom is. So I think that's one of the reasons.

675
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why she's back is

676
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: that she wants to sort of play in front of

677
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Speaker 1: her kids and show them that you can be out

678
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: there and mom is, you know, this sort of amazing

679
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: athlete at forty four years of age doing what she's

680
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: trying to do. Vicky's so excited, you know, to think

681
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: about someone who I mean virtually could be your mum,

682
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: but also at the same time is a mentor and

683
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: is going to really like imagine the information and the

684
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: things that Vicky is going to learn just being on

685
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: the tennis court with Serena. And they've practiced a couple

686
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: of times this week in Queens, and I did tell

687
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Vicky on the way out. Serena turned around to me

688
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: at one point said, how does this girl lose any matches?

689
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: She never misses and I said, yeah, you know, and

690
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: I Vicky was like, how was it?

691
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 4: Was it okay?

692
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: Like was I And I said, you know what she said?

693
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: And I told her what she said? She goes no

694
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: way she said that about me. I said, yes she did.

695
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, it's kind of like this

696
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: beautiful moment of this you know, incredible icon of tennis,

697
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: this incredible person of color that has been has been

698
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: such an icon for people of color in the sport

699
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: of tennis and in the sporting world. And then you've

700
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: got this young nineteen year old person of color from Canada,

701
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, parents came from Africa. Like it's just it's

702
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: just this beautiful sort of I don't know, full circle

703
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: moment that she's out there with somebody that she truly

704
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: can look up to and be like, I can't believe

705
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually on the court with this person. It's so fun.

706
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hoping they get through a match or

707
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: two and we get to see them more than once.

708
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: And you know, if they hit the ball as well

709
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: as I know that both of them can, then they're

710
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: going to be pretty tough debate.

711
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: I can't think of the higher praise. And also something

712
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: that I would imagine Vickimboco is going to take with

713
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: her for the rest of her life ever forever. Yeah,

714
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: just like having been able to train up close and

715
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: personal with somebody who you know, obviously is like you're saying,

716
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: a legend and an icon, but also somebody who is

717
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: a person who's a real, living and breathing person, who's

718
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: given you high fives between points and you know, laughing

719
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: about her service stance and some of the videos we're

720
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: seeing circulating, So you know, it's such a cool thing,

721
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm thrilled for women's tennis and for

722
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: the next gen that they're getting to get some of

723
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: the mentorship vibes from Serena in a real tangible way,

724
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: in a way we're going to be able to see

725
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: on court. Seeing Serena's actually played doubles is probably my

726
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: favorite thing because of how awesome and dynamics she brings

727
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: an energy to her partners. Obviously, Venus is who we

728
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: saw her play well with a lot. But I still

729
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: remember that Andy Murray match at Wimbledon where the two

730
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: of them walked out in the court and I thought,

731
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: this is the coolest thing maybe I've ever seen in

732
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: my life on a tennis call.

733
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: I remember that I was amazing or the day after that,

734
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: you were like, that's the best thing I've ever seen.

735
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, look, she's maybe going to play mixed

736
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: at Wimbledon, and we haven't decided on a partner, so

737
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: we don't know. So I'm doing, yeah, Andy, get back

738
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: out there. And I should have won more, but he

739
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: probably could. I'm sure they'd get a world card. But

740
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, just seeing Vicky, as she said to me,

741
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, man, when we did that, like first

742
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: warm up, I was exhausted and she was like, no problem.

743
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's the standard. You know, the

744
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: standard is, even even though at her age, the standard

745
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: is you know, Serena is all about not missing a

746
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: ball in the net for the first five minutes of practice.

747
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: That is a rule and she sticks by that every day.

748
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: And so it's interesting to see how players lock in

749
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: immediately and Serena's standard is very high when it comes

750
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: to that. And so it's going to be I just

751
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: you know. The only bummer about this week is that

752
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: the weather's going to be a little dicey. It's going

753
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: to be a bit of rain. We've already had a

754
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: bit of rain. We've been hitting quite a bit indoors,

755
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: so we haven't had a ton of time on grass,

756
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: but hopefully you know, the one thing Serena is quite

757
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: comfortable on as grass. She plays very well on it

758
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: and she moves really.

759
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Well on it for a smart to come back at grass,

760
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: which also you know, for an aging body. And I

761
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: say this being about Serena's age, like, it is much

762
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: easier on your body to play on grass, obviously, and

763
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: you know with doubles you you can kind of ease

764
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: your win.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this though. Today we were practicing and

766
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: she threw in a couple of serving volleys and she

767
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: turned around. She goes, man, serving bolling is hard. It's exhausting,

768
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: turned down and I'm like, yeah, no shit, what do

769
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: you think my body's falling apart. That's all I did

770
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: every single point was run forward to the net and back.

771
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: Even when I faltered, I'd have to walk back. And

772
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, serving a volley's heart sen She goes, yeah, man,

773
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm just going to stay back here.

774
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dick, you do all the work yours?

775
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yours?

776
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: Can you tell us?

777
00:35:59,760 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: So?

778
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: First of all, how she looking from a coaches perspective,

779
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 2: not you know, her strokes always look perfect, and she's

780
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: you know, man, it's like a pure hit of the ball. Yeah,

781
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: I mean you can hear it when you hear her sound.

782
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: I'd kind of missed it. She's just her sound is

783
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: very specific, and it's very very clean. It's so clean,

784
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: and she just hits the balls.

785
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: Oh, it's beautiful. I said to it. Today she hit

786
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: this one volley. It was a little bit sort of

787
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: semi awkward, and I just looked at her, I said,

788
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: I just started laughing. She turned around to me and

789
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: I just said, God, damn, you're so fucking strong, like

790
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: her forearm, the way she can hit a foe and volley.

791
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, obviously I'll take my volleys over

792
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: pretty much most people. But her strength in her forearms

793
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: and and her you know, her ability to be able

794
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: to time the ball is still so beautiful. So we'll see. Look,

795
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: she's going to be nervous, Vicky will be nervous. Everyone's

796
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: going to be a little nervous watching her, hoping that

797
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, everything goes okay, that we have no you know,

798
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: injuries or no soreness or things like that. You know,

799
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: they've got a tough drawer. They play against two doubles play,

800
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I'm excited to see her back. I

801
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: know that the crowd is going to be excited to

802
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: see her play. And you know what, I can guarantee

803
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: you that the girls will have some fun tomorrow. They

804
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: are scheduled to play tomorrow, but it just depends on

805
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: the weather.

806
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: You know. One of the things that I and I

807
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: know we share views on is, you know, it can

808
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: be really frustrating to watch the Coach's carousel and like

809
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: a lot of the same and I'm not going to

810
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: make it gendered necessarily, but it is the same couple

811
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: of dudes, which is why when you see a kancheta Martinez,

812
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: or you see Martin Coostik being coached by a woman,

813
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: or you see Patria and some of these and Sondra

814
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: like you're like, oh great, but actually this is amazing.

815
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: It's like when you get on a plane with the

816
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: lady pilot and you're like, oh, we're gonna be fine

817
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: because this woman had to get through some shit to

818
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: fly this blane, do you know what I mean? Exactly

819
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: so exactly, that's kind of how a surgeon same as

820
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: a surgeon. Like it's the best of the best of

821
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: the best because they are, they have been scrutinized, they've

822
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: been scrib since for sure, So seeing you know, you

823
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: get to coach the greatest of all time and to

824
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: hopefully be really appreciated and be really centered, you know, like,

825
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: I'm happy for you, truly.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's.

827
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: Deprivation for me to not hear you commentate right now

828
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: because of the fact that you're great at it, and

829
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: also some of the folks that are doing it are

830
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: not very good. And I've posted a little bit about that,

831
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: not trying to get anybody in trouble, but boy, just

832
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, it could stand some improvement, certainly. But I'm

833
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: more happy because this is why, because you're coaching, because

834
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: you're doing this thing that you're incredibly great at and

835
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: I hope you get to do it as much as

836
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: you want to do.

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00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I thank you, Caitlin. I appreciate that people

838
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: and that are sitting back and listening to our podcast

839
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: right now, going what's going on here, They're being nice

840
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: to each other. It's we're capable. We're capable a capable exactly.

841
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: But I do appreciate that, and I do love it,

842
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: and coaching is something I'd love to do. And you know,

843
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: even like being able to sort of tell v Key

844
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: where to stand a little bit at the net yesterday.

845
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: It was kind of funny because, you know, Serena was like, hey, Vicky,

846
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: can you just stand over a little bit more. I

847
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: was like, let me go and show you where to standalone.

848
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: This's a nineteen year old kid that doesn't really know

849
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: much about like where to stand on the doubles court

850
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: and how to play. She likes to play doubles. So

851
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: it's just little nuances like that. But I also don't

852
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: understand how coaches don't teach fundamentals better, you know, and

853
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: I look at someone's serve like Serena serve, and I'm like,

854
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you, as a coach take every kid you

855
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: have out and say model your serve after this? And

856
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: there are no excuses not to. So it's like, I

857
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: just don't understand it. From me, just simplicity with the serve,

858
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: simplicity with the overhead. When I watched Serena, I'm like,

859
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: why wouldn't every single coach or every player just take

860
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: a video of this and try and model their game

861
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: after it. It just it's mind blowing to me that

862
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: people don't do a better job with that when the

863
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: kids are younger, and you know, you look at sort

864
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: of the things that Coco Golf does, for example, on

865
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: her serve, it's like, why didn't someone pull up when

866
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: she was twelve and thirteen and fourteen and change that?

867
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: So that sort of bothers me. So anyone out there

868
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: that coaches, anyone that in parents that want to have

869
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: their kids play tennis, model your game after the best

870
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: model you serve after Serena. Model your overhead after Serena.

871
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: What your backhand after her. There's so many things that

872
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: you can look at and say, I'm going to model

873
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: my game after this, and try and do that from

874
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: a really young age. So that's the thing that I've

875
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: taken away from this as well. It's just her ability

876
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: to not only work hard, push yourself in her mid

877
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: forties is pretty unbelievable. She's in the gym every day

878
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: like she's doing her best to be back in shape.

879
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: So so so yeah, So I'm excited. I'm excited to

880
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: be here, and I'm excited to be on.

881
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: The grass, and I'm excited for you, and I'm excited

882
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: for all of us because now we get to watch

883
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: some amazing grass court tennis before we go. Since we

884
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: don't have any reader mail this week, we will get

885
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: back on the train next week. I'm sure now that

886
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: the cat's out of the bag and everyone's seeing you

887
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: posted it all over the internet that you know you're

888
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: in everyone's manes. Let's take one more short break and

889
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: then we'll back, maybe with some opening thoughts about the

890
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: grass court season.

891
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: What do you think?

892
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good with that. All right, we'll be back

893
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: in a minute. Okay, So, Caitlin, what are your thoughts

894
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: about the grass court season. I know you love the

895
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: clay court season, but I'm actually wearing grain today because

896
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: we're on the grass now.

897
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm super excited about it. I thought, uh, the.

898
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: Friendship and was really weird, and I love when tennis

899
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: goes to the clay. But I am ready for a

900
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: hard reset, probably a little having to do with the

901
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: results of Roland Garris on the men's side. I'm ready

902
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: for a hard reset. We're gonna not have Carlos for

903
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: this grass court season, which is a bummer, but hopefully

904
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: we will have a Yannick Center who is a little

905
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: bit more weather pervious, who I think the tournament definitely missed,

906
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: and I'm excited because this is a short season. It's

907
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: a mad, frantic race. I think the season should be longer.

908
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: I think the grass season should have a Master's one thousands.

909
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: I can think of some ways to do that and

910
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: to accomplish it, but it takes us to some really

911
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: interesting places. There's tournaments obviously all over the UK. There's

912
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: one happening right now in the Netherlands, Germany has a couple,

913
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: and there's one in Majorca. So grass tennis is really

914
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: really fun and it's certainly the kind that I like

915
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: to watch the most. One thing that is really funny

916
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: to me that I want to ask you about is

917
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: all of these tournaments before Wimbledon are typically a lot faster.

918
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: The grass is a lot quicker, and so it kind

919
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: of makes you wonder how good the preparation on you know,

920
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: zer Hotenbosch or Bourne Myth or you know, Halla, is

921
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: if it's going to be faster than Wimbledon, is itself

922
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: having taken measures to slow it down, But I guess

923
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: it's still a good way to know. Hord reset into

924
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: a new playing stale.

925
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 3: Is that the case?

926
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think well, Berlin and bud Hamburg, for example,

927
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: the t autonomous in Germany, the groundskeepers from Wimbledon and

928
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: Wimbledon itself, the ones that lay those courts, so those

929
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: will be as close to Wimbledon as possible, which is

930
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: always great. It depends on the weather clearly. Here in Queens.

931
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: This week we've had a ton of rain. So the

932
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: more rain you get, the lower the ball bouncers because

933
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: you don't have that hard, you know, like concrete feel

934
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: underneath it. Wimbledon gets that real feel underneath it that

935
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, bounces so much higher now,

936
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: it's crazy, I don't get it. But you know, the

937
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: grass courts here at Queens are beautiful. Look, if you

938
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: do well on grass, you're going to do well at Wimbledon.

939
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Although the courts at Wimbledon tend to

940
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: be a little bit sort of more hard bouncing and

941
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: a little bit higher bounce, so it's not always an

942
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: indicative if somebody really does well on grass leading into

943
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: women that are going to do well on grass at Wimbledon.

944
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: But I'd rather do well leading in and certainly feel

945
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: good on the grass, and that a lot of it

946
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: has to do with the movement, how you move and

947
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: adapt on the grass, and so for me, yes, you

948
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: look at Amanda Anisimova, who lost in the finals of

949
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Queens and then made the finals of Wimbledon. So there

950
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: is there is precedent that's been set that people do

951
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: well before usually do well during Wimbledon.

952
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: One thing that I thought, h I'm not ready for

953
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: this is the announcement that my favorite Frenchman du jour

954
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: Quarantinemute is set to play against a wild card receiving

955
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: Nick Curious in the next couple of days. And I'm like, oh, man, unsubscribe, unsubscribe.

956
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 2: I did see that, and I you know, the amazing thing, Okay,

957
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize that Nick was kn't playing. That's

958
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: how quiet it's been, or I haven't been. I clearly

959
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: haven't been paying attention. You've you you're excused. Yeah, I've

960
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: been a little busy with somebody else. That's you've come

961
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: slightly a little, a little more successful.

962
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just leave it at that. But yeah, Nick Curious,

963
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm not sure we missed him to be candidates.

964
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine between him and who's crazier? Well,

965
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Mute cares about winning, so I'll take Matai anyway. Well,

966
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean, how any guy that wants to drop his

967
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: pants in the middle of a match, that's just because

968
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: he cares' rats actly. Thank God he had pants underneath.

969
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: That's all I can say.

970
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: Pants.

971
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: And you know a friend of mine got defaulted doing

972
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: that in Palomo, dropped his pants to the crowd because

973
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: he was so annoyed and he got defaulted in a

974
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: second Peter Johnson, Yeah, I'm talking to you.

975
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: Well, anyway, keep your pants on body.

976
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

977
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: So well, we'll see where Nick goes, We'll see where

978
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: he does not go. We'll see if Mute can handle it,

979
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: because between the two them, that's going to be interesting.

980
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: Certainly a popcorn match, but there's a lot of tennis

981
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: to be played. As I said, rebarking it here is

982
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: here also in Queens, So she's going to be tough.

983
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: She'll be looking to do well at Wimbledon. And there

984
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of players that did not do well

985
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: at the French Open that have probably been been hitting

986
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: on grass and getting themselves very prepped for their run

987
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: at Wimbledon. And it wouldn't surprise me if the Pagoulas

988
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: and Rebarking is as I said, will be in the

989
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: latter parts, and I would say sable Anca. But you know,

990
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: unless she decided to take a week off, which I

991
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: probably you suspect she probably should. Even though she said

992
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: she was thinking about quitting. The amount of times tennis

993
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: players have come off the court losing a match and

994
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: said that's it, I'm quitting. I hate this game, I

995
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: don't want to play anymore, and then one week later

996
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: they're back on the court. But yeah, I want to

997
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: give a quick shout out Caitlin because it is the

998
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: eighth of June and that is the birthday of Kim

999
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: Cleister's Lindsay Davenport.

1000
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: Two of the sport's greatest, two of the best.

1001
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Ball strikers in the history of women's tennis, happened to

1002
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: be born on the same day, not a surprise, so

1003
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: happy birthday to our two friends. Lindsay had a tough

1004
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: year with losing her mum recently, so Anne Davenport, who

1005
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: was one of the best tennis parents, if not the

1006
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: best tennis parent I was ever around in my entire

1007
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: tennis career. It was something that we haven't talked about

1008
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: on this pod, but when Anne passed away a little

1009
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: over maybe two months ago. There was definitely a hard

1010
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: day twenty four to forty eight hours for me. I

1011
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: adored her mother, So I'm sure Lindsay's had a bit

1012
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: of a tough day today not having her mind there

1013
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: for the first time. Kim clearly had to her own

1014
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: death of her father when she was quite young, So

1015
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: so yeah, anyone who's lost a parent sort of feels

1016
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: for them. But on today we want to wish them

1017
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: a very happy birthday to the two of them, both

1018
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: fantastic tennis players people, and you know, on the last note,

1019
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: Lindsay Davenport, I'm so happy to get the Tennis Channel

1020
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: back in the main viewing for me because Lindsay Davenport

1021
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: is one of the great commentators and I love, love,

1022
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: love listening to her.

1023
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: She is thoughtful, she is the right amount of inserting

1024
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 2: of herself. She's incredibly respectful to the players, but also

1025
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: extremely you know, knowledgeable, and doesn't give a pass when

1026
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: a pass isn't due. So yeah, shout out to those

1027
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: two women, both of whom have been on our podcast

1028
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: and both of whom are amazing.

1029
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: They are I agree with you. Lindsay is definitely why

1030
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: I tell her all the time you're want of my favorite.

1031
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: Thank god you're doing this match, I text he on me,

1032
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I thank god you're doing this much. She's amazing now

1033
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: with the sound on anyway, amazing.

1034
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: All right, So good luck this week. I hope you

1035
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: have a great time. I hope the results are excellent.

1036
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: I know that the eyes of the world will be

1037
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: on Queen's Club this week, as they deserve to be

1038
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: for our two queens who are taking the court.

1039
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be a fun one. Hopefully we get some

1040
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: fun results out of it and some good tennis. But overall,

1041
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: I just my most important thing for her this week

1042
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: is to stay healthy, get through the matches and enjoy

1043
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: yourself and have her kids sitting there watching her having

1044
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: a great time, because that's the most important thing for her,

1045
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: is actually enjoyed tennis. So anyway, as she said in

1046
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: a press conference, yes, I have nothing to prove. There's

1047
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: nothing more I can do with my career. She's won everything.

1048
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: I just want to maybe play some tennis, have some fun,

1049
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: to have my kids watch me and enjoying it. So

1050
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: let's hope for that to happen. So anyway, everybody, thanks

1051
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: for joining us today. Yes I'm sorry it didn't tweet

1052
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: out and get some questions from you. But you know

1053
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: a lot of you that write to me, I do

1054
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: write you back on Twitter, so you got to give

1055
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: me that. There you go anyway, Caitlin, It's great to

1056
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: have you. Enjoy New York. I'll be here in London.

1057
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: Are you coming over? Are you planning on coming over?

1058
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: I have my own things that I'm cooking up.

1059
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's all I can good to know, so I

1060
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: can say, wow, So you're going to keep secrets from me?

1061
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: Now?

1062
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: Is that?

1063
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: I am coaching Venus Williams? Have you heard it here?

1064
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: First Classic?

1065
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1066
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: I see you in the finals.

1067
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: All right?

1068
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 3: Byron E.

1069
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't mean that, see all right? Bye Kaitlin, Bye everyone,