WEBVTT - Ep. 277: Driving Squirrels With the Hmong 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.280 This is Me Eat podcast, Coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.360 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:31.520 can't predict anything presented by first Light, Go farther, stay longer. Okay, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.080 we're joined today by Yah Yang. Yeah, yes, sir, I 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.760 love that name, man. Thank you. The kids goof on 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.200 your name a lot when you were a kid, Yeah Yang, yeah, 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.120 a little bit, A little bit. I just tell him 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:48.199 it's it's pretty Minnesotan. So I got My joke is 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.800 that when you know, when we came to the country 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.760 through the immigration, they couldn't pronounce my name and my 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:59.800 my name and mung is actually jaque. Yeah, they couldn't 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.720 put announced it. So whoever was there was just like, 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:04.840 all right, let's just let's just do yeah hy a 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.840 and be done with it. That's That's well, at least 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.280 that's my story. I don't know if that's true or not, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.600 but I'm not I'm not striving for equivalency here, but 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.840 I'll point out that there was in my family name. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.440 Did I talk about this recently? There was a split 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.320 and how they spelled it the A and the I, Yeah, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.720 the A and the number of ends and everything, and 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.680 I I have an article where I think I was 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:32.960 talking about this where my dad's uncle hit a cop 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.320 hit a cop cart. He was Italian and the I 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.240 and in little really like in South side of Chicago. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.880 Italians and Irish guys didn't like each other. But I said, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.000 you simply could not go to the Irish neighborhood. They'd 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.480 kill you. His uncle hits the Irish cop named Philip 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:54.040 to me, who's off duty too. Me goes home and 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.520 gets a gun. It comes back and kills my dad's uncle. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.320 I still have the newspaper clipping. Um, and my dad 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.520 would show me the article, his point being how the 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.600 ronella's spelled. So the ronella's who are family members in 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.040 the articles have different spelled names. Oh, but he's like, 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.280 but it's the same brothers, you know. I mean it's funny. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:19.399 Um so ja, yes, yeah, you said perfectly there. But 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.320 when you but you don't do that? Does your family? 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.240 What does your dad call your mom or dad? My 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.840 my family caused me. I see, but you just make 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.560 it easier to everybody else. Yes, yes, I do that. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:35.320 It's like Janis and yeah yeah, um current of course 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.240 Phil's got a haircut scheduled night. That's right his um, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:40.880 it's getting down in his eyes. He had to do 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.880 a little head flick. Yeah. Yeah. I was telling you 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.800 before the podcast that I judge. I judge when I 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.720 get my hair cut, like the timing of it based 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.320 on when you start making fun of me. I know 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.919 that that's about the right time. So I like to 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:52.799 keep it high. I like to keep the hair high 0:02:52.800 --> 0:03:00.000 and tight. Here in the studio, it's really strict sets here. Uh, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:01.840 tell everybody. You don't need to tell where you went, 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.280 but tell everybody about your big fishing trip stuff. I 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.400 wouldn't call it big fish. This will interest yeah, this 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.440 will interest yeah, because um, this would be These will 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.880 be fish species he's familiar with as a Minnesotan. Yeah, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:17.320 I was. I was fishing body of water um in 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:24.040 Montana this weekend that I fished before, and an impoundment 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.120 on a large river. Yes, you typically do well in 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:33.000 the spring. Was small mouth in there, but I hit 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.160 it a little too late and they moved off their 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.040 beds and deeper. And I just haven't figured him out 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.480 this time of year yet. But you hit at the 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:45.320 same time last year, No, earlier last year? Yeah, okay, um, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.800 But the soccers were spawning. The water was clear and 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.680 I could see him. I'm not talking about that fishing trip. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.240 I'm talking about the other big fishing trip. Oh that one. Yeah, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:59.880 four back. I'm not afraid to tell about that one. Everyone. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:04.520 Oh yeah, oh yeah, Memorial Day weekend. It's hundreds of 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:14.720 miles long, more more shoreline than California. And and I think, no, seriously, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.320 look it up. You want to hear a good little 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:23.920 fact like that. Um, Prince of Wales Island has half 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.960 the land mass of the Big Island in Hawaii, but 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:33.760 something like four times or as much shoreline really because 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:39.159 all those fiords and jaggedy ass shorelines. Um, yeah, four 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:45.240 pack amazing fishery. Walleye fishing was tough at first. Um, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.880 It's like we pick up one or two during the day, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:50.720 but we kind of figured out in the evenings they 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:55.320 were sliding up on those hard breaks, sliding up there. Yeah, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.560 just sliding right up there to feed. In the evenings, 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.760 they're going up shallower, we would we would catch them 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.400 pretty good. Um. And when you guys are doing that, 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.800 what do you so you're camping out fishing, what do 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.599 you guys doing with your with your filets? That's what 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.240 they say in England, we just put them in the cooler, 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.560 keeping keeping cool. Just gutted whole fish, or you're flaming fish. 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:20.520 Now we're flying fish and then put them in a cooler. Um, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.200 and then just come home and then deal with them all. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.279 Come home, you guys frying fish while you're there? We No, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.440 we didn't, We didn't while we were there. What all 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.240 the kind of species did you catch? Um? Drum? Catfish? 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.480 You caught freshwater drum? Yeah, they're in there. Yeah, caught 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.279 one that's a rubbery fish. I caught one last year. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.240 Do you ever flay one of those? Yeah? I did. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.200 I didn't this year. I did last year. You flame 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.560 and you think you're in for a treat. They're beautiful. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.640 My dad used to cook them. But they're like gorgeous flames. Yeah, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:56.039 they look like they taste good. They're like a little springy. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.360 It's like they make that noise when you're chewing them. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.320 They make the noise of the cheese curtain, like you 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.640 generally don't want your fish to go when you're chewing 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.760 it squeaks on your teeth. Man, where I grew up 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.919 that people were way more interested in the rock in 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.480 their head than uh than eating them? Yeah, they have 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.800 a blow. They have a large version. What's it called? 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.159 It's that you're not the old? Yeah? Yeah, what the 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.039 hell's that word? It's just a souped up version of old. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.760 You make little earrings on it for your wife and stuff. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.599 Have a good little thing for you to get into man, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.200 like make an animal part jewelry. You need to catch 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.720 yourself a big drunk. I think I do. Are these 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.120 like those kind of like uh, little parts that mimic 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.839 like or a setted pasta like that, like a little 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:47.359 thumb print. You find them washed up on the beach. Sometimes. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.000 My brother had some because yellow eye rock fish have 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.799 some biggins. And my brother had some kind of jewelry 0:06:54.839 --> 0:07:00.880 made for his for his woman, his wife Juanita. One 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.680 of the many fish called cheap head. Did you did 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.680 you flay it out? No? I put that one back. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.360 M Um. We caught some pike. What did you do 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.600 with those? Played them through some back? But I mean 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.280 we caught a lot of pike. What do you guys 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.120 do with all the wide bones on your pipe? Um? 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.280 I actually didn't take any pipe place? Do you like? 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.000 Rick cart and he Rick caught uh? I think his 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.160 biggest was thirty five and quarter, big old fat gut 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.680 on that thing. Does he does he make pickled pike? Um? 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.120 He typically doesn't, but he I think he's gonna try 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.560 to this year. He took it back a bunch. Yeah. 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.680 You ever hear pickled pike? Yes, I've had that because 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.560 it dissolves the bones out. That was one of the 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.600 greatest discoveries I've ever made. Man, I did not that 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.800 I made. I mean, you know what I'm saying, I 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.520 ever learned about. Yeah, when I was a kid, my 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.400 old man would buy pickled um, you know, for Christmas. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:57.680 I don't know why. I like, I don't know where 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.560 this is the thing, pickled herring or whatever, ye creamed 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.880 herring or something for Christmas Eastern European. I don't know 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.840 how you got on that. But then he learned how 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.800 to make up. He learned how to make it out 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.800 a pike with the sour cream and ship or not, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.480 and he would make huge jars of that now and then. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:16.800 But you gotta get on it. You can't let it 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.920 linger in your fridge for a long time. Soon as 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.440 it started getting cloudy in there. How do you flay 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:28.120 a pike? Well, you ever see miles machee do it? No? Okay, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.920 do you do like the five? Like the five flame? 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:36.800 Meth no I have, I don't like it. So all 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.480 through growing up, we would just flame like if flay it, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.120 take the flay off like normal, and then you cut 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.280 it into like a three, and then you cut the 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.760 how if it's a big pike, you cut it laterally, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.960 and then they got two big long strips. And then 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.080 we would take a flame knife and cut about every 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.400 cut through it almost all the way through it, every 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.400 the same way like the cart way, the cart preparation. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:06.599 So you take a piece, it's like, let's say the 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.679 size of like three of your fingers put together in 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.280 your hand, like if you peel your pinky and your 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:17.079 thumb away, I got big like banana fingers. But if 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:22.079 you kill your pinking, your thumb away, that the three fingers, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.000 and then every quarter third of an inch or so 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.000 you cut almost through it. The tailpieces bone free, so 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.280 always like and then you fry that and the little 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.000 bones kind of cook out. You know, now what I do, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:38.360 That's what we used to do. Now what I do 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.640 is I take the flight off and I take the 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.880 tailpiece off, and I'll freeze the tailpieces, just regular fish, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:46.959 and then I'll take the bone in pieces and make 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:52.040 fish cakes or pickled pike. Um myles mache. He can 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:58.960 very quickly. Um, if it's chilled, nice and easy to 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.200 work with. He just deep bones at some bitch. Yeah, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.120 I could get that strip out pretty good. It's like 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.560 it's like as John McPhee when John McFee was writing 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.360 about cleaning American chad, he just he equated it to 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.959 fixing someone's watch. It's like, um, it's like that kind 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.080 of work to get that bone line. But that's my 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.680 brother does. I'm not bad. Yeah. I was like watching 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:27.959 videos on the five finger exploding Heart pipe trick. I 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.560 don't know that all that. No, they say it's like 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.120 the five You get the five boneless flats off of 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.320 the pike and it's just oh yeah, you cut into 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.320 the back, put on the back. But I did that 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.520 and it just did like skinny strips. No. No, it's 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.160 like you cut like laid on its belly and like 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.080 going behind its head and come out you take the 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.800 tailpiece off, the boneless tailpiece off this. I just lost 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.599 a dollar bet to Spencer New Heart because we have 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.880 the tailpiece of a common cart and I said, the 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.079 tailpiece doesn't have white bones. He says, that's not true. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.680 They go all the way and I was like, no, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.600 they don't. And we took a tailor piece and cut 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.480 into it six pen six bones, like he's got why 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.400 bones to the bitter end, but on a pike they 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:15.160 peter her out at the dorsal fin. Yeah. Anyhow, um, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.680 we went morrel hunt last night and me and me 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.559 and my all my kids and brodying his kids and uh, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.160 we're stopped around for a while and we finally find something. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.679 My little six year old looks he ghost, he finds 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.800 some rel. We find him real and he goes, I 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.960 saw those earlier? And what did he say after that? 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.240 I thought it was a bee. I was like, I 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.520 got to see this. I'm not kidding. And earlier he 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.000 had got tangled up in a little briar patch and 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.720 he was winding and moaning about being stuck in a 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.640 briar patch, And I said, was it before after he 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.240 got stuck that briar patch? And he says, this was 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.280 before that. I go back to that briar patch and 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.320 start kind of backtracking where he came from, and there's 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:04.480 a morels. I saw one of those earlier. That's hilarious. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:11.040 I was impressed you found it. Yeah, but we ended 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.000 up really good. Yeah, a couple dozen, I'd say we 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.840 had you know, um, well, my wife just came up 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.920 with a new hashtag for him, which is keep tinkering 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:27.520 but we are, which is uh. But we got back 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.679 to the truck and there's like a place where if 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:37.440 you parked and went looking, you wouldn't look because not 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.679 given too much way to say, that's right by the dumpsters, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.440 like by the dumpsters. It's like it's just too obvious, 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.080 like you would never look there, like you park and 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.200 you'd never been. It's just like a weird little pocket. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.760 And we got done and then just kind of got 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.000 checking around the dumpsters. Doubled our take in about ten minute, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.600 the old dumpster spot. But you know, what is there, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:09.160 like they're growing tight association, like what's what kind of 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.040 matter is found right by this? Had no I had 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.720 all the attributes they did. These morales weren't keen in 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.800 on dumpsters. It had all the attributes. It was like 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.880 like we're after the I don't know, I think this 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.199 is more rigid than it is. But do you want morales, y'all. No, 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.880 I don't do you want any kind of wild mushrooms? 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:33.440 You know? Really? Um uh. We used to think it 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.080 was like there's you know, these different species sort Morchella escalenta, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.320 which is like translates like delicious moral and there's like 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.720 more cell E conicus not. And I think the world 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.200 is very clean, and it's like, oh, that's this and 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.760 that's that. I might be wrong, but my understanding now 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.880 is that it's like you can't just run around declaring 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.120 this morale that I just gonna ask you if I 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.199 like the ones we're finding kind of a light tan, say, 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.079 like in burn areas, do they look there? Yeah? And 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.320 then you go to the burns sometimes sometimes you do 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.600 get those those round toped, big yellow bastards and burns. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.760 But my understanding that could be wrong. It's just like 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.760 it's like Morchella escalenta maybe is that big gass yellow 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:25.960 river bottom morrell that associates with dead, dying, damaged, whacked 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:32.720 out cotton woods. Um. And there's like you so kind 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.600 of wet ground kind of right around now for here, 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.880 it depends on your elevation and everything. My buddy in 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:43.480 the San Juan Islands, he's picking Morrell's March, you know so, 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:48.520 and Robert Abernathy in South Carolina gets him in March. Anyhow, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.280 big messed up cotton woods and then it kind of 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.800 gets where the grass is what like, you know, it 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:01.120 just starts to look Morelli man, that dap old sunlight, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.720 twelve inch high grass which made it. You could have 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.440 been walking right by him without seeing them. And the 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:14.479 last little dumpster cluster was at a stone dead cotton wood. Okay, okay, okay, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:20.920 stone dead. Um got a black bear there a night. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.120 It's been a while since you shot a bear in it, man, 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.680 been a while. I've seen something get seen something get 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.240 shot since then, but I haven't shot a bear in 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:35.640 a long time. Ah. I saw post clay had hardly 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:40.160 any fat on that bear. Well we yeah, like in 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.000 the where you'd find it, it didn't have that much. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:46.640 But then I gave when we caught it up yesterday 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.680 morning and package it all. I'm gonna bring you some crant. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:54.040 I got it all packaging. I cut off enough for 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.440 but no, I cut off enough off of the off 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.280 the high end quarters. I cut off enough to under 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.800 a cup of oil. But no, not fatty, but like 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.720 really nice hide on it, very stout, well muscled, just 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.320 not a lot of fat on it. What do you 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.080 do with the feet? Keep it? I'm gonna get a 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:19.880 tan and rugged out. I had that. No, no no, no, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:21.880 just if you're right, if you're going to do a 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.120 whole rug again with his claws and everything on him, yeah, 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:26.920 I got a couple. I don't know. That's one of 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.720 the problems, not a problem. Like one of the things 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.560 about bears is how many bear hides do you need? 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.680 And you're not gonna waste it? You know what I mean. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.440 It's just like, but I'm back into it now. I mean, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.760 we used to hunt bears so heavily, like really would 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.240 devote a lot of time to it, and then I 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.160 just kind of for a while just got sick of 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:51.520 those Southeast bears. It tastes like fish, Southeast Alaska bears. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.720 It tastes like fish. But no, we we had a 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.400 great time. I don't even make like a like a 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.640 coat cape kind of situation, or I don't know why 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.160 I don't do that. It's hard to pull that off. 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.360 You know. Ronnie Bain's ruled to never wear a hat 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.480 that has more personality than you do. I don't know, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.320 what do you think about having a cape that has 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.840 more personality? Majes Steve rowing in here with a bear 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:21.879 cape workout pants. Actually see him starting the rocks. It 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:27.680 was it was ninety degrees. Oh, that would be brutal. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.240 It was like you it was it felt barry till 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.080 eight thirty in the morning, and then the day we 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.360 got one. So we went up hiked in this area 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.040 a couple of miles in hot Earnhill. Got there, it 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.600 got cool, and then we're in a big burn that 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.440 had like it was like a mosaic burn from a 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.560 long time ago, and there's still nice little timber patches, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.560 just kind of glass in those timber patches. First night, boom, 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.640 there's a bear. Put the moves on and he gave 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.800 us the slip. Uh. In the morning, we're like set 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.400 up to glasses this west facing exposure so that we're 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.560 looking east and there's so much haze in the air, 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.200 like kind of the morning was shot just like I 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.240 was like looking into a blue smoke. Almost sat there 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.880 for twelve hours in the blazing hot sun with these 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.120 egg grow ants that were fired up about the heat. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.400 I think, yep, Oh, you try to take a nap 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.800 and just feel ants all over you. It's misery. That's 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.920 a long day. They set up a shade tent, gets 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.159 me about eight thirty, starts feeling barring. There's at the 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.920 damn Bear and we got that one. Yeah, sweet, it 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:36.120 was good. It was good. Uh you're hanging in there. Yeah, 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.920 I'm I'm here. Don't go anywhere. We're gonna get into 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:40.920 some We're gonna get into some hardcore history in a 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.639 minute here man. Uh oh, their dad said krant a 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.399 note I sent her attacks. I was reading an article 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:52.880 about Prince Harry. The Prince Harry and Oprah are launching 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.520 a TV show about mental health, and I said to Krinn, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.280 if I had something to the effect of if I 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.760 had list every program ever made in the history of 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.359 the planet in order in which I would watch it, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.239 I would start with that on the bottom, and then 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.320 I would fill everything else in. It was like the 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.159 weekend and I get a text from Steve and He's like, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.560 remind me to talk about how this is the thing 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.240 I at least I'd be least likely to ever watch. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.240 And I'm like, okay, well this came on the heels 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.560 like it's very un American to like the royal family. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:32.520 It's it's like, here, I'm breaking my own rule by 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.320 talking about him. But it's super Unamerican. We had a 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:40.679 whole war to get out from under the monarchy, but 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.840 people still act like it's cool. I read an article 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.600 at the Times where some guys like Ummett, what when 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.600 his when his his his his wife? It's like, oh, 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.920 they're mean, right the royal family. I read his article 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.440 Times being like Holmett, you're surprised that there's a problem 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:02.320 with a monarchy. This is a shocked everybody. Like globally, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.600 the whole world has moved away from monarchies because of 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:11.040 the abuse, nepotism, anti democratic everything, like you get to 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.399 lead because your dad, Like you're born into a certain 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.320 family and you get to be in charge because of 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.040 who your dad was or your mom. And then someone 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.120 points out like, oh, they're mean. It's like, no, ship, 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:27.320 I mean, isn't that the whole point? It's not like 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.000 the world's going to monarchies. I don't. I don't know 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.879 if we've been drifting from that for hundreds of years. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:40.160 They're oh, I thought they were all super nice, really 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:46.760 nice kings and queens, remember that stuff. God'll be like, 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.120 but looks Steve. They're much nicer now because they don't 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.520 exactly do off with their heads, so you know, now 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.200 they ride. I was telling my kids they ride around 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.520 little carriages and like, no, they don't. I'm like, listen, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.200 So I had to pull up pictures. I got my 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:05.080 kids hating him out. Yeah, you gotta teach your kids 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.359 love and everything, but I'd like, I try to be 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.400 very precise and teach them certain hate, but I try 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.719 to teach them to really despise the royal family. I'm 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.840 getting I'm getting somewhere with her. Yeah, I was just like, 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:21.679 holy cow, man um, holy cow. I usually try to 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:27.400 not like burden listeners with opinions of mine have nothing 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.880 to do with what we with our set of things 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.520 that we like with our world, right like the world 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:38.359 the brand promise of what it is we talked about. Well, 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:43.080 I play kangaroos, that's all like in, that's all in, 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.920 and Prince Harry is out. So I need to apologize 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.280 for having brought up something that's out and I'm not 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:55.920 gonna like, yeah, apologies. Just a quick weekend text to 0:21:56.000 --> 0:22:00.680 current I think most would agree. Here's some kind of 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:04.679 interesting where there's a um this is reporting a handful 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.159 places there's a bill there's so there's some folks pushing 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.119 the band like they got a gripe with kangaroo hunting 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.480 in Australia, which is like a very tightly regulated industry 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.399 in Australia where they want to ban the import of 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:24.639 any and all kangaroo products into the US. And it 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.880 has a kind of a weird history. So I didn't 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.399 realize this, but back in the seventies, kangaroo numbers were, 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.040 kangaroos were down and hurting. I know, they go like wildly, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:41.360 you know, they're they're wildly cyclical. And in seventy one 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.800 California banded import of kangaroo parts, so just into that state, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.560 right um, and they have a there's a commercial kangaroo 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.200 industry in Australia, so they have all kinds of there's 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.520 all kinds of non native wildlife there that's that's less 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.919 regulated there. Right now, they're trying to exterminate what how 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.720 many cats? They're trying to feral cats, all of them. Yeah, 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:04.760 they got a goal to shoot off two million cats 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.199 or something in Australia. It was there's a lot of 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.919 non native stuff that's more liberal and unregulated hunting, but 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:15.160 they have a tightly regulated kangaroo industry where it's basically 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.719 it's like they harvest it like you would imagine harvesting livestock, 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.760 but it's a wild animal. So there's market set and 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.119 people come in and established. You got to get you know, 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.600 these commercial licenses, you have to pass tests to become 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:35.280 a sharpshooter. UM and a long time ago California band 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.560 parts and then the US Fishing Wilder Service followed suit 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:45.000 and banned the import of three commercially shot kangaroo species 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:50.160 because they're worried about declining row populations, even though many 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:55.240 Australians felt that that was not a concern. UM. Eventually 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.600 they were removed from the US List of Endangered and 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:04.920 Threatened Wildlife, apparently deemed recovered to but the California band 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:09.840 lingered until the mid two thousand's and people didn't pay 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.960 much attention to it. And then a vegetarian activist group 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:17.560 sued Adida's for selling soccer shoes that were using imported 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.040 kangaroo skins. This got me think about when I was 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.440 a little kid, I wanted to pair of shoes called 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.199 ruse they had. I was wondering if they were made 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:27.680 out of kangaroo hide, but they just had like a 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:32.920 little zipper pocket. Uh yeah, but my mom wouldn't. I 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:34.600 thought it was because we were poor, but my mom 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.520 just wasn't dumb. My mom not being dumb made me 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.480 think we were poor because she wouldn't let us have 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.960 any name brand stuff. We couldn't get like you'd want 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.000 like real Drido's, but you had to eat like store 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.119 brand potato chips, you know, and you wanted it in 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.920 a bag. So you go to school and be like 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:52.359 a bag to said Doritos, but would be like a 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.119 little sandwich bag you full of like store brand ones. 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.360 Yeah and uh yeah. She never lets to have any 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:04.680 cool we wanted, like Nike sneakers. You bring up Adidas. 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.680 I'm a huge soccer fan, played soccer and growing up, 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.440 and I think Adidas is most popular shoe. Is kangaroo 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.919 leather still today? Is it? I wonder if it was 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:19.000 the Sambas, remember that black and white. It's not Samba's, 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.840 but it's the they call it the Copa moon dials. 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.359 I had a pair, um played in them, you know, 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.960 most most most of it grown up, So you kicked 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.679 some goals and that does that? Does that ball bounce 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.760 off that kangaroo leather? Nice? It's super the leather is 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:35.800 super soft. So I mean, you know it was more um, 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.240 I would say. I played in the midfield, so it 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.720 was one of those like more like passing type of 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:45.840 shoes I would say. So, yeah, very popular. Adida shoe 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.919 didn't have like psychological ramifications where you felt real spring 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.639 when you puts. I just knew that I needed to 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.119 leather it up like you. You had to buy this 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.399 oil with it like it, keep it to keep it 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:05.239 like whether um waterproof's got a subject matter. Yeah, so 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:09.920 they sued a Yeah this vegetarian activist groups sued Adidas 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:14.000 for selling soccer shoes using imported kangaroo skins. Now they're 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.520 trying to revive this whole thing. A bunch of international 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.200 activist groups and a member of the U S House 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:25.040 of Representatives and an Australian politician who is the loan 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:29.879 elected representative of the Animal Justice Party. So if you 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:34.560 want to get yourself some kangaroo chops, stock up on 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.199 them sneakers. A smart thing to do, dude, right now, 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:38.879 if you're a big Adidas man's buy a bunch of 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:44.560 those shoes. I did take that money and buy a 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.000 wallet boat and send pictures of that wallet boat to 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:52.359 Chester and say suck at Chester. I say I was 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.520 able to do with kangaroo shoes what you were never 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:59.800 able to do with bitcoin. Uh. Here's a great here's 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.600 a great thing. Now. And then a news story comes 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.439 out in a million people, a million people texted to me, 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:07.760 and a million people texting me this one, that there's 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:13.720 an article in The Atlantic, um, which is like, oftentimes 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.040 a reasonable publication, I feel, and it's not their fault, 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:26.320 but someone just published this peace uh arguing that in 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:30.080 in the in the Great Saga of wolves being magical, 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:34.080 magical creatures. And again I'm not hacking up hold that 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.840 like wolves. I like seeing them, hearing them, looking at 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:41.280 him everything. Uh. But it's like, if you want to 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:45.560 stop highway vehicle collisions, you need to get yourself a 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:51.320 bunch of wolves. And it was pointing out that, uh, 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.480 pointing out that in and I gotta look in it 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:56.560 this more and it's like, there's like the whole issues 0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:00.280 of causation and what's that thing king causation is not Ye, 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:05.760 there's the same correlation is not equal causation, arguing that 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:14.880 in counties in Wisconsin, in counties in Wisconsin that had 0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:20.080 wolves come in, there is a reduction in highway vehicle 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:26.600 collisions with deer with deer okay, saying that there wolves 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.920 are saving us so much more money and avoiding car crashes, 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:36.880 then they're costing people in livestock death, saying, oh, yeah, 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.600 you wolves and all of a sudden, But see, wolves 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.320 have been around for quite a long time in Wisconsin, 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.200 so it's not like all of a sudden, there's like 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.520 none and then you put some there, and then that's 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.080 where the causation thing comes up, because there's been a 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:53.920 reduction in deer car collisions in certain counties that have wolves. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.640 And I pointed out to kran I was saying, hey, uh, 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.840 if you're good at math, we should figure out how 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:07.480 many deer car collisions that hunters prevent, which is imperfect, 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:12.000 but it brings up points, so you have just just 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.520 for sake of just set the whole thing up. This 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:19.320 is an incredible number. Nineteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:26.680 seven Wisconsin nights collide with deer every years, like many 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.880 many a night. So let's say twenty thousand deer car 0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.760 collisions in Wisconsin every year equals this will surprised me 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:40.200 to how few deaths. That leads to four seventy seven 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.520 human injuries and only eight deaths and I think six 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:48.400 of those are motorcyclists. So you imagine like the percentage 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.720 of vehicles on the road compared to like you know 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:55.680 what I'm saying, like what percentage of highway passengers are 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.880 in a vehicle versus on a motorcycle, which is like 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:04.760 overwhelmingly vehicle car um That makes it seem like, uh, 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:07.240 I think we could pull those numbers two. But the 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.880 fact that eight, that six of eight fatalities are dudes 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.480 hitting my motorcycles is pretty crazy. That is crazy. It 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.240 makes you think that, like that's another thing in your 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.440 head when you ride a motorcycle. So if a wolf 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:23.280 kills twenty deer per year, wolves and Wisconsin are probably 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:29.360 killing about twenty four thousand, two hundred deer year hunters. 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.000 And they're saying that these wolves can lead to a 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.720 reduction in deer car collisions. And I brought it to 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:39.920 Kroll how many how many deer car collisions to hunters prevent? 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.080 Because wolves killing Wisconsin about twenty four thousand deer hunters 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:47.760 kill a night eight thousand. Basically, round up hunters kill 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.080 a hundred and eighty nine thousand deer in Wisconsin last year. 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.160 That's a ton of dude. Wisconsin is killed a hundred 0:30:55.200 --> 0:31:01.560 eighty nine thousand deer. So that would be the real article. 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.320 I was pointing out. The real article would be holy cow, 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.280 do hunters prevent a lot of death? And then when 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:09.920 you go hunting, people be like, why are you hunting? 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.520 I'd be like, well, I mean saving lives, saving American lives. 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.560 In that way, hunters should get a discount or car insurance. Yeah. 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.440 But then Karin was like looking into this more and 0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:25.160 pointed out that pointed out to me that they were 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:29.960 saying the effects of wolves on saving human lives on 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.720 the highway is beyond the deer they actually killed. But 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.120 it says that wolves, unlike people. I don't don't this 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.760 might don't get Wolves create like a landscape of fear, 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.080 which we had a podcast episode named Landscape of Fear. 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:47.200 Wolves create a landscape of fear and move deer away 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:54.880 from heavily trafficked areas. But if you look at a 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.400 map of where deer car collisions occurred, to occur along 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.560 the interstate system. So they're sort of saying the wolves 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:04.480 like to hunt the interstate. Wolves are out on the 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.920 on the interstate hunting deer and push them away from 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:13.160 the interstate into the remote areas where the wolves don't 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:18.160 want to go. Kind of maybe. I mean, I think 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.400 it gets complicated. I went down a research hole, so 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.000 I think we'll have to come back to this. But Steve, 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:28.880 your your thought was that UM, that most of the 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:35.080 deer car collisions happen in urban areas. Most of them 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:38.400 are occurring, and that is absolutely like the leaders Dane 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:44.640 County and UM and the top three are I mean, 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:49.080 Dane is half a million people, uh Waukeisha if that's 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.840 the way the right way to pronounce, about four hundred thousand, 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.840 and then Washington County is a hundred and thirty six 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.720 hundred thousand. And this is all data from nine so 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:05.360 those are all urban counties and they have about seven 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:10.240 to eight hundred deer crashes per year from but then 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:14.160 number four and there are among the top ten counties, 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:20.040 there are three, there are four rural counties UM, but 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:24.920 number four with a population of about forty one people. 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:31.400 Shawano County had seven hundred five deer car collisions. So 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:36.160 there are a couple of data points in here that uh, 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:40.120 you know, kind of poke holes are not poke holes. 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.520 But um, it gets a little complicated here because there 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:48.800 are some really low population rural areas crash with a 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.320 lot of car crashes. What they're here. Here's the other 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.360 thing is you've got to look at You could look 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:58.000 at population, but that doesn't attest to highway traffic on 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.000 interstate system. There's a lot too, and I want to 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:02.880 do but I thought it'd be like when I first 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:04.840 saw I thought it was the dumbest thing in the world. 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:07.240 But that I I looked at I was like, oh, there's 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.440 more to it. It can't be like easily. It's not 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.880 easily torn apart. But there's some suggestions there, like the 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:18.799 idea that wolves push deer from the areas that they 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.480 hunt into areas they don't hunt, and would mean like 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.160 they hunt highway systems, which I don't think that's accurate. 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.600 But the primary point, and we should if they want 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.759 to come out. I love that am. The primary point 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.080 is I feel that they It's one of those kind 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.040 of things you read and you get the sense that 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:40.160 they knew what they wanted to show before they showed. Oh, definitely, 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:45.440 there was a point someone from well, what's that school? Wellesleyan, 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:50.280 Wesleyan at Hillary Clinton School. I don't think so. Maybe 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:54.200 this list of counties also doesn't say where, like if 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:58.560 there's wolves, they're not, which seems like, you know, inappropriate. 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.080 Here's a direct quote from the she went to Wellesley 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.160 the all women's college. Here's a direct quote from the 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:09.800 from the person. Most of their influence arises through dread, 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.799 not death. Their very presence creates a landscape of fear. 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.080 Um that sweet that people want dear to be so afraid. 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:23.479 They're very presence creates a landscape. It's like people want 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.000 dear to be afraid, creates a landscape of fear, which 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:30.120 pushes deer away from roads and other heavily prowled areas. 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:36.640 This makes tremendous sense, Zanette said. Actually Zanette is a 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:41.239 I think she's a biologist who was commenting article, but 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:46.040 wasn't actually the person who uh conducted the study. I mean, 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:47.840 I think there was a fair amount of doubt or 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:52.600 just wanting to see causation, wanting to see this study replicated, 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:58.879 because right now the conclusions are you know, but when 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.719 Creta I talked about this morning, we're talking about it's 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:07.279 more about um, it's more about sociology within ecology, because 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.560 it's more about like what we want to see. And 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:17.279 if you have a heavily pro wolf bias, you'll be like, 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.920 all of a sudden, acting like you care about highway 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:25.480 vehicle collisions. What I I mean if this was coming from 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:27.520 if this article and I don't know enough about the person, 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:29.520 if the article is coming from someone like let's say 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.640 the government like task someone to be like, what can 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.920 we do about highway uh, you know, vehicle dear collisions? Right, 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.640 And this person is like, wow, we could advanced headlight 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.200 technology right, which we've done a lot of headlight technology 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:49.280 is very important. UM, better signage and high trafficked areas, 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:53.920 we could do, wildlife crossings improved, you know, collision sensors, 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:57.520 all of that collision sensors and increasing the when you 0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:59.960 cut brush away and cut trees away, some motors can 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:01.680 see more with let's see you have a bigger window 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:03.440 to see on the sides of the world. Won't be 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.359 coming little tricks and little tricks and stuff like that. 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:08.680 Some things that really makes sense. So if this person 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.759 had looked at everything. They said, you know what, man, 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.360 the one thing you're missing. After examining, after really getting 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.479 into this, man, after really getting this, I think here's 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:20.320 the answer. We bring a bunch of wolves to Madison. 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.520 Turn them loose. You'll see, we'll put an end to 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.279 your car crashes. Like then, I'd be like, tell me more, 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:35.120 but that's not where it's coming from. Ah, we'll return 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.200 to this. You should ask someone I don't know, man, 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.080 maybe someone so much should come on and explain it. 0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.960 Can you do that? I'll see if I can find 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:48.440 the the lead researcher. Okay, I want top of one 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.319 last thing. Then we're gonna get a hardcore and oh no, 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:54.799 two quick last things. There's three. We can skip some 0:37:54.880 --> 0:38:02.120 of the things. Okay, h this is interesting though. So 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:06.640 a California park ranger, he's out doing his patrols in 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:11.360 the California's East Bay Municipal Utility District. He's in the 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:16.920 Sierra Nevada foothills, starts noticing all kind of petrified trees 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:20.280 no one knew about it, Finds a bunch of petrified trees, 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.800 finds a much more petrified trees, and eventually realized this 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.600 like this giant debris pile of stuff from what from 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:31.880 what year? Eight million years? Eight million year old debris 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:36.319 pile of trees. And in here they find, once they 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.279 get to digging around, an eight million year old mastodon 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.120 skull with both tossed and tax six foot skulls on 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:47.680 this thing. A rhino skeleton from back when we had rhinoceroses. 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:53.919 There's a giant tortoise. There's a horse. There's a tape here, 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:58.839 here's a good one. The remains of an ancestral four 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:06.879 h pounds sam with with sharp teeth. Ye don't leave 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:12.080 that at A sharp tooth salmon, four hundred pounds salmon 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.440 running out of the rivers, running out of the oceans. 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.800 A gompa there, which I didn't know about. It was 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:23.920 an ancient elephant. They had four tusks plus six hundred 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:28.560 petrified trees. That is so neat one of the most 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:34.880 significant fossil discoveries in California history. They suspect floods and 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.880 volcanic debris flows carried all this jump to this spot. 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.040 That is cool, And they won't tell anybody where it 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.799 is because some guy like me, it'd be so hard 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:48.879 and someone's like, oh, yeah, right up there, man, keep 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:56.320 finding all this crazy ship that you wouldn't go we 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:58.000 have a quick look up there. Do we know if 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.279 this was like one event or is it lay years 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.480 of i't I didn't read that much. Yeah. I think 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.320 everything they found there, Um, it's supposed to be a 0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:12.279 from the Miocene, which is twenty million to five point 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.239 three million years ago, so there. I think they were 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:19.160 kind of layers and stuff scattered across an entire er. 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:25.680 And it's funny like the ranger found one, uh, petrified tree, 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.960 and then kept walking around and found some others and 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:30.920 then over I think it was a couple of weeks, 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.600 like kept going, kept sniffing around. Yeah, and then he's like, 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.160 you know, I think I need to call someone. Yeah. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:38.600 That would have been like if I was that ranger, 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:43.359 they'd be like, what do you see there? Nothing? Your 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:49.160 next Instagram post there with a wheelbarrow. Your Instagram post 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:54.400 might have some tusk in the back nothing. Why, Um no, 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.799 that's great. Wouldn't do that, that's great. That that's that's 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.960 a cool fine. You know, I think when you think 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.120 about all the cool animals here a long time ago, 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.080 I'd like to imagine like we're not gonna be round 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:09.000 forever like just whatever. I mean when you get to 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:13.879 talk about geologic time, right, a disease event whatever to help, 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:18.839 we'll destroy ourselves. Like no species gets to be here 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:24.600 forever except the cockroach cockroaches. If you could come here 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.640 like fast instead of going back in time, like I'm like, 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:29.960 I want to go back in time to see all 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.200 that crazy stuff. If you could go in time and 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:33.600 go back, I'm gonna come back to the Earth in 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.160 a billion years, there'll be a bunch of crazy ship 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:41.239 running around. Ye. And what do you think we look like? 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.040 Dudes with four tusks. I don't know. I'll be interesting. 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.600 This guy in um, this guy in Idaho, we we 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:53.200 got to talk about ravens killing livestock and deer and stuff. 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.520 This was reported. I'm surprised what this is reported was 0:41:55.600 --> 0:42:00.200 reported in the hill. Yeah right. And idahole farmer he's 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:04.160 always had bald eagles nest on his property, says this 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:06.200 year something weird happened. He thinks that because it was 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:10.160 such a cool spring that these bald eagles came to nest. 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.840 But the fisher he wasn't kicking ass yet. I don't know. 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:16.080 He's got a lake or he's got a lake, and 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:17.239 he said it took a while to warm up, and 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.520 he's wondering if their normal food source and the lake 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.120 wasn't available when they showed up to nest. Anyways, they 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:26.279 killed fifty four lambs, twelve to eighty pound lambs. He 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:32.799 watched one kill, he watched one eagle kill seven lambs, 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:43.600 and one day reported in the hill. Last little note here, Uh, 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.000 hunters in West Virginia are mourning the loss of one 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:50.120 of their hunt spots. They rolled what's this place called 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:54.680 New River Gorge National Park. Used to be New River 0:42:54.760 --> 0:43:06.160 Gorge whatever preserved preserve. They harked seven thousand acres of 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.160 land out of the core of this thing to make 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.719 a national park. So seven thousand acres in the heart 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.200 of the gorge, which is very rough terrain, local stale 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:18.960 is some of the area's best hunting grounds. Um, they 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:24.000 rolled that out. There's still sixty five thousand acres that 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.160 you can hunt. They removed seven thousand and then gave 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.080 a little bonus where they added about three seventy acres 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:34.640 of newly open hunting lands. But yeah, stole seventh park service. 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.319 I want to say stole a strong language. I just 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:40.960 hate to see, like, I hate to see that kind 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.719 of thing happened. I mean, if it's already good and 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:49.960 protected as scenic River Wilderness area, whatever, I hate to 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:51.400 see it be that they lay in this like you 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:54.480 can't hunt it, Like I like to see ground protected 0:43:55.600 --> 0:44:00.719 from industrial exploitation and development. But it's a bummer to 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.640 see that to get it pulled. Has anyone ever been 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.560 to that area? And I've been there, Yeah, yeah, I've 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:12.960 ever got great small mouth fishing. Really yeah, And you 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.720 know it's fairly close to a lot of pretty big 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.920 metropol metropolitan areas, so you know, I'm sure visits at 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.120 this place will be you know that there'll be a 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.759 lot of people going. But yeah, it's a bumber that 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.880 land got because because I believe they're promised that they 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:36.120 could always part of the previous designation and then they 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:40.200 changed their tune our newest national park. How how upen 0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:44.240 arms are people about it? But are like locals that hunted, Well, 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.000 I'm not, I mean I can't. I mean I didn't 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:49.680 live near their enough to know how set people are. 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:54.520 But you gotta imagine that, you know, you get your hunting, 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.160 your quote, your hunting spot taken away. You're not going 0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.960 to be too pleased. You know. When I was living 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:04.960 New York, we used to float the Upper Delaware near Callicoon, 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:09.319 and that had gone under Wild and Scenic River designation. Man, 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.319 you saw a lot of signs up and down the river. 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:18.320 People pissed about it because the regulations, like used regulations change, um, 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.759 And this thing became under as a National river under 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:25.320 Part Protection in seventy eight, and people were sure, you 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:28.080 can hunt the entire property, but then it then it 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:32.280 just lost ten percent prohibited. Yeah. I mean, I'd imagine 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:36.720 some hunters are really kind of pissed about it, um, 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:40.120 based on just some of the articles I've read. But 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.080 you know, I guess some of the other locals are 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:48.960 are uh, you know, excited about potential economic prosperity might 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:51.080 bring to the area. I mean, it's I guess it'll 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:55.080 put West Virginia on the map a bit more so. 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.399 I guess it depends on what your priority is. Oh yeah, 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.800 if you're like a running a canoe livery, you're probably 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:05.480 sit us all get on all those non outdoors, you know, 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:09.560 all those non true outdoors folks, bhikers and bikers, hikers 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:13.960 and bikers are all fired up. Last little thing here 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.120 we'll touch off on because I want to touch off 0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:17.800 and it's just because it's from my home state of Michigan. 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.680 Like there's Galley. I need to know more to the story. 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:24.640 So what what is written here? Is a in this? 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.520 Come on, Krint a massive fish poaching Well, I don't know. 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:35.000 Look at all those laid out they broke off, you know, 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:40.160 bags of I need to hear more story. If you 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.080 want to find a good guess, get this guy out. 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:45.080 I'm guess he doesn't feel like talking about it. But 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:49.080 Krin's massive fish poaching operations. I don't know what happened 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.920 here on County two guys find eight thousand, five hundred 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:58.439 dollars combined for quote poaching hundreds of walleye, pan fish 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:02.840 and perch. My panthers are with bluegills because perch or 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:07.720 like a panthers either way, bunch fish. This guy's freezer 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:11.080 got raided and then a game ward. And this is 0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.480 a weird thing. Just a lot too do I don't 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:19.319 understand they thought out all the guys fish and then 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.080 they laid it out and laid it out on tarps. 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.799 He as if it were like bricks of cocaine and 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:34.360 like as though like in classic drug raid fashion, laid 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:40.920 out hundreds of perch filets. Yeah, like a cocaine like 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.120 when you line up with a bunch of a ks 0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:46.000 and bags of dope and stuff from some like cartel raid. 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:50.560 Perch filet's hundreds of perch flays laid out on giant 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:56.359 tarps and in all of his empty ziplock baggies. So 0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:02.120 his freezer got raided and conservation officer found eighty five 0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:06.239 bags of frozen walleye quote panfish. I'm not happy with 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:12.600 that term, and perch place in his house. The guy 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.719 was ordered to pay seven thousand, nine thirty bucks where 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:17.920 the fines and his friend was fine six hundred for 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.280 taking over the limited percha taking over the limited purchase 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.239 one thing. But the reason I need to know more is, like, 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.359 was this dude, I don't know, Maybe that they were 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:29.959 on doing for something else and that led to this. 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:32.680 But there are a lot of people I know in 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:36.040 Michigan that if at the end of a good fishing 0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.960 spell you went to their house and started throwing all 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:43.480 their ship out, you'd find they had over their possession limit. 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.720 What is including my old man back when he was alive, 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:51.280 and even with following possession limit rules, if you've got 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.520 say four or five people in your household, you can 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.000 have a lot of damn perch in your freezer. Okay, 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.520 let's say you're in because it varies because like the 0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:01.160 big leg, two different Let's say youre an area. Just 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.440 for argument's sake, here, let's say where he's at, he's 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.960 a lot of fifty perch per day, and the possession 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:10.239 limit is two daily limits, so he can have in 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:14.480 his home freezer two perch flays. But let's say you like, 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:19.680 I'm just no one thinks about it. If you're tearing 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:21.000 it up and you're like, I'm gonna have a big 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.399 fish for I don't know, and you catch five six 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:25.080 limits of perch because you're saving up for a big 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:32.440 church fundraiser fish fry. He hasn't gotten on their radar Somewhere. 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.400 No one's thinking about it after they go in the freezer. 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:39.400 Like there, he's probably you know, I think about it 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.640 with ducks. He's probably yeah, because that's federal like crazy, 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.279 but someone must not maybe not, but I imagine he's 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.400 like following like the daily limit. Well, they're saying this 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.600 one guy got not. But here's there thing is, what 0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:54.080 are they gonna do with all those perch flays now 0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:57.560 they've got them thought out? Beat him into the bald eagles. 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:02.400 Holy cow, I know eighty five bags of perch plays 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.520 and they're nice scaled skin on, well put up. They 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:08.279 took care It's not like they just caught him and 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:10.600 didn't take care of him, like they took care of 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.560 this this dude was. I don't know if he's selling 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.680 them like what we found in the past and talking 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.680 to conservation guys game wards and I'm not I'm not 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:22.000 hacking on this game ward. I don't know the story, 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:24.239 but a lot of times like that stuff comes out 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:27.480 of that they're onto you about something, like you've done something, 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.520 they're onto you about it, and that leads it's neither 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.720 just like going and banging on doors and digging through freeze. 0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:34.600 It's got to be something because yeah, I'm sure they 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:38.040 weren't like hey, stuff stopping in see what this guys 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.800 in this freezer, like something happened. Maybe so here's another 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:45.239 article and I it doesn't point out kind of like 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:50.000 the backstory. But the main guy with you know, those 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:57.960 bags Ziplock freezer bags. Um, okay, that's why I get 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.239 a barrel of corn meal and just started put in 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:04.080 a put in a fertilizer spreader. Just drive that over 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:15.960 that big sheet drama hot oil. Thirty five, Wally, the 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:20.560 daily limit is eight in what is freezer? Yeah, among 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:25.879 the you know within the five taken that day, eighty 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:29.040 five bags taking that day thirty five, Wally, the daily 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:32.600 limit is eight, and anglers may possess an additional two 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:34.840 days limit of walley as long as their process with 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:37.120 a total possession limit of that's a lot of Wally. 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.319 You're allowed to have a lot of wall in your freezer. Uh. 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.720 Two hundred and forty five. Pan fish, the daily limit 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:48.520 is you saw about bluegills there, Okay, like blue It's 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:53.080 like it'd be like bluegill pumpkin seed, you know, with 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:56.200 a total possession limit of seventy five, and he was 0:51:56.280 --> 0:52:01.520 over uh by three hundred and in D three additional perch, 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:06.320 the daily limit is twenty five, and you can possess 0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:09.799 an additional two days limit as long as they're processed 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:13.799 with a total possession limit of seventy five. I just 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.279 like we're talking about a lot of things here that 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:20.000 we don't really know about. But my here, here's I 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.640 just want to explain this. My instinct when I see 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:25.040 all those perch plays is like I've known this guy 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:31.200 all my life. I mean, maybe it's part of a 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:36.240 sting operation, like dozens of your extended friends and families. 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:40.240 My yeah, it's like my old man and the old 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.959 man he hung out with. Like I'm just I feel 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:47.320 like I'm staring into the freezer. Okay, folks are sixty 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:53.240 eight and I gotta I gotta scroll. I gotta scroll. Okay, 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.800 they might have had a side hustle going on selling 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:58.560 these things. Do you remember that big sting we reported on? 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:02.959 It was like we report us a long time ago. Yeah, 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.600 hang tight, dude, Okay, we reported on this long time ago. 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:09.399 It was a big sting operation. Even had a name 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.880 like like north Star and you read this as a 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:16.279 poaching ring and you read the all the charges on 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:21.520 these guys like racketeering, wire fraud. But it was and 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:23.560 I'm not excusing it, but I had these names where 0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:24.960 you look and you think like, oh, it's the mafia, 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.719 like they broke up a mafia organization because racketeering and 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.560 wire fraud. But the wire fraud was like you had 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:36.520 to do a call in to register your dear. So 0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:41.760 a dude choose too dear, has his girlfriend uh claim 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:46.440 one on her tag, so she calls in to report 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:48.840 to to report the deer to the deer Harvest hotline. 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:53.920 That's wire fraud, right, racketeering would be a guy goes 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.640 to he brings a buck down to his taxidermist to 0:53:56.680 --> 0:54:02.080 get it stuffed and pays the taxi and Smokey's smoking 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:05.960 like snack sticks I'm not joking, pays the tax of 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.760 derbys and snack sticks. And then they had a deal 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:13.279 worked out where they got like reduced tax to dermy too, 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.560 then get extra snack sticks. And they had some guy 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.160 who had a gift shop and he's selling snacks sticks 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:23.319 that made off their deer Smokey's. And then another guy 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.399 here's there, here's their thing in this big roll up. 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:30.279 There's a there's a another fraud. There's a there's a 0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:34.000 Walleye derby. A guy goes ahead of the derby and 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:37.040 goes and catches wall in a different state. Okay, puts 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:39.200 them in his his live well and drives over and 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.719 signs up for the derby at a gas station like 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.759 the gas stations, hold the Walleye Derby and wins the 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:47.600 prize with Wallye. He caught in another state and had 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:49.799 him in his live well, and it winds up being 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:54.920 like this like interstate fraud thing. So on paper, it's like, 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:56.799 holy ship, what were these guys doing? And you look 0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:00.680 at just doing a bunch of like he'll billy bullshit, 0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:05.759 like a bunch of things you would probably would't like 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:09.560 a lot of guys wouldn't think about. You know, you're like, oh, yeah, 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:11.520 I want your Hunter bucks. Let me bring you some Smoky's. 0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:25.839 It's just yeah, all right, yeah, how do you want 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:32.200 to start mong your Mong? Yes? Sure? H m O 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.719 n G. Let's start from the beginning. Who are who 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:40.879 are the mom? So where you're from? First? I'm I'm 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:45.240 in the Twin Cities Minneapolis area. Um, I live in Blaine, 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:49.120 which is um City right side right outside of Minneapolis. 0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:54.520 And your Hunter newly Hunter yeah? Yeah? And your mom yes? 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.920 And you were born in I was born in laos Okay. 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:02.520 Walk us through who the monk were and how how so? 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:06.920 The Mong are an ethnic minority group originally from the 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:12.560 southern parts of China, and they at some point we're 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:16.400 fighting with the Chinese because the Chinese wanted them to 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.840 basically become Chinese, and a lot of the Moong were like, no, 0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:26.640 where there are a nomadic tribe, they have their own language, 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.200 they have their own religion. We did not want to 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:34.200 be Chinese. And so they were driven south into the 0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:40.520 Southeast Asian area, so Vietnam, uh, Laos, Cambodia, and that's 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.759 where if you as a person here in the US, 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:47.320 if you meet among person there from Southeast Asia essentially, 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.880 and a lot of us have the same story as 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:54.440 we were here because um of our involvement in the 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:59.440 Vietnam War, more specifically the Secret War in Laos, what 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:06.600 I have probably the same level of exposure. Um. Two 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.759 Mong culture is a lot of people that hunt where I. 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.920 It's like, I just know I have always known very 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:16.320 loosely that there's a lot of Moong in the US. 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:18.680 Kind of had something to do with the Vietnam War, 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:24.960 and you like to hunt a lot, and that's about it. Yeah, 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:29.520 so uh, but breakdown, like how how the monk got 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.880 tangled up with the with the US, Like how they 0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:36.680 became on the U S radar. Yeah, so back in 0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:40.600 the fifties, and sixties when UM it was, it was 0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:44.720 around the spread of communism UM in in that area. 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:48.080 So the the idea was we had to stop the 0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:52.000 spread of communism UM in that region. So you had 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:58.120 UM North VIETM Vietnam, which UM was then UM UH 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:01.200 trying to take over the country. You have the communist forces. 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.880 So I'm not trying to talk about one particular group, 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:07.680 but it was it was around the essentially stopping communism. 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.440 And so the reason why it's called the secret War 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.680 in Laos is like the you know, the US, we're 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:17.800 not supposed to be be there, and they were there 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:22.760 to be advisors UM in that region to use and 0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:27.640 UM advise the like the local governments there to fight 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:31.800 against the spread of communism because didn't UM like portions 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:35.320 of the Chiman Chiman Trail came through Laos, right, Yeah, 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:39.120 basically most of it did. It was That's what's essentially 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:42.800 what it was. It was a supply line and it 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:48.400 occupied the eastern parts of Laos. My former neighbor at 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:52.760 our Fishack in Alaska was a door gunner on a 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.480 helicopter Vietnam and he now talks about it freely, but 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.080 for a long time to not he's he's he's spent 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:04.240 his entire tour based in Vietnam. But he said all 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:07.440 their stuff was in Laos, dropping people off, picking them up, 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:12.960 hitting hitting transportation lines all in Laus. Yeah, and and 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:19.680 early in in in nine early sixties. It was they 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.160 got the the authorization from at that time in GfK, 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:28.440 who said, yes, look into working with some of the 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:33.920 ethnic minority group in that area to help with like 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:37.080 stopping the spread and really where among people came in, 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:42.400 where they knew the terrain among people throughout history have Um, 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:46.400 they were actually fighting even before the Vietnam War. They actually, 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:49.680 oddly enough, they were fighting with the French, because you've 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:51.680 been Vietnam and I don't know if you remember the 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:56.439 kind of like the French colonization the influenced the influence there, 0:59:57.000 --> 1:00:02.040 and um, oddly enough, they'd always been fighting for their freedom. Um. 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:04.080 If if if you look at some of the some 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:07.760 of the his the publications, they they've always wanted to 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:09.960 kind of be left alone. We we want to be 1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:12.480 our own people, and we were we were fighting against 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:15.160 evil forces. Is kind of like what they would say 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:19.160 is in their mind, the outside communist influence was more 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:20.880 of a threat to them than anything else correct, So 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.200 they're auto correct, right. So that's how they got involved, 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:28.000 and they were essentially used to because they could just 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:31.400 get places quicker, right you know. Um. The only thing 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:34.760 that they didn't have were they didn't have firearms. Um 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:38.760 you know, which which um eventually came from working with 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.600 the CIA. What are the moons traditionally hunt with? They 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:44.520 have like these crossbows, so it's like a wooden stock 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:49.480 and then um, like the cross would be um like uh, 1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:51.520 it could be would or it was like it could 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:54.720 be bamboo. Um. And then they use for the strings. 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:57.600 They for for the strings, they use um like a 1:00:57.680 --> 1:00:59.640 material called hemp. I don't think you guys heard of that, 1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:03.000 but it's like a fabric um and they use hamp 1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:06.120 and like hemp, they use it for like clothing as well, 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:08.560 and so you know that thing doesn't shoot really far 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:12.160 right and so um it was like mostly for small 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:15.960 game birds. My dad's so my grandfather owned one. If 1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:19.120 you had a blacksmith um in the village who could 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:22.840 like forge parts, um, you built your own flint stock. 1:01:22.920 --> 1:01:24.720 I know you guys had an episode about flint stock 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:29.480 up a while ago, and right, um, you know you 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:30.880 it would be mad at the wood and then you 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:33.160 had they had had different parts and then they cooked 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:36.360 up their own ammunition. And I learned this recently too, 1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:39.920 is they went and got that done from the caves 1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:43.600 and use that to like reduce it to some liquid 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:45.960 and then cooked it up with hamp as well. And 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.720 my dad said, he doesn't know like the exact process gunpowder. Yeah, 1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:52.480 we've talked about here. We talked about the process about 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:54.600 which Boone and other frontiers mean would make and they 1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:56.440 would say thing they'd go to caves for the guano 1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:00.880 and then somehow they would use uh, you had to 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:06.520 have Yeah, they'd get saltpeter um ash. It took a 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:11.560 willow ash your own piss. They went the thing down 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:17.160 with piss and then they used um saltpeter baguano. I 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:19.880 can't remember. Anyways, it seems like a way to wind 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:22.760 up with a product that wasn't entirely consistent. And I knew. 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:26.240 I knew that because we we had a very um 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:29.760 prominent member in our clan who recently passed away, and 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:32.480 I had learned that he had been badly burned because 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:36.240 he was cooking up his own and then w uh 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:39.160 we recently covered a story or discussed the story in 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:45.640 Taiwan where the Taiwanese government is passing anti hunting regulations 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:49.320 that are impacting indigenous Taiwanese. You talking about the indigenous 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:52.840 taiwan He's still there hunting with homemade guns, and they 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:56.120 want to switch to modern guns, and people don't want 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:58.000 them to switch to modern guns. And they're pointing out 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:02.920 the danger, the danger to them of hunting with homemade firearms. 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:05.120 They want to have something safer, but they don't want 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:08.240 they're they're afraid of the efficacy that would come from 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:10.560 and so there's a desire to keep them hunting with 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:15.520 with homemade weapons. But then the Americans give them like yeah, 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:18.480 m my, my dad said his first his first gun 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:20.680 was an M one car being so thirty is like 1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:25.520 a thirty cow um um. You know. I recently I 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:28.280 just kind of really gotten into hunting, and so, you know, 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:31.600 again I'm going back and kind of just learning about 1:03:31.640 --> 1:03:34.280 the first guns that they came They came across what 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:38.240 you was your dad born fifty two? So was he 1:03:38.440 --> 1:03:41.000 did he does he have recollection like of the moon 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:43.640 getting tangled up with the Americans? Yeah? Yeah? And and 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:47.360 actually fast forward a little bit, the kind of like 1:03:47.480 --> 1:03:50.360 Montana connection and all this. It was a there was 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:54.880 smoke jumper by name of Jerry Daniels right out of here, 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:57.200 out of Missoula. I think he was born in California 1:03:57.280 --> 1:04:01.400 but lived in Missoula. That's why there's among people in 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:06.480 Missoula farming and there's a community there. Fast forward battle 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.160 bit and my dad was telling me the story that 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:13.560 to come to America. Um, and this Jerry Daniels, Um 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:16.720 guy was worked really closely with the moong and he 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:22.000 was a guy that validated my dad's picture. Yes, you 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:25.120 were in fact a soldier and you know because it 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.480 was because he was a Special Forces soldier. Well yeah, so, um, 1:04:29.360 --> 1:04:31.720 what everybody was? I mean the guy that the guy, 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:35.040 the guy that was instrumental in bringing to the you 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:37.080 know when I lived in Missoula, for I lived there 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.520 for quite a few years. Um, the farmers market there 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:42.600 is just dominated by among truck farmers. You know. May 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:43.920 day I was with my buddy, I was with my 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:46.080 buddy Clay, and I was showing them around there and 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:48.920 they still have like out in certain areas of Missoula 1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:52.000 irrigation diversions and stuff. And he sort of like semi 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:57.240 urban suburban farms and where the traditional hats my my 1:04:57.560 --> 1:05:02.440 neighbor turns out um being Shang are from Missoula. His 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:07.120 name b B and Shana there. Um they lived in 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:11.640 Missoula pretty much most of their lives and they just 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:15.480 moved into our neighborhood and we moved into the neighborhood 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:17.200 at the same time. We we live in the kind 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:20.520 of newer development. And um, we saw them at like 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:23.520 our kids schools, and you know, you know, you can 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:25.600 just kind of tell their mom, right, so you just say, hey, 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:28.120 how's you going. Yeah, And so if you're a Mong 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:29.720 dude and you see a mom dude you don't know, 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:34.880 at a non Mong function, you just go high like 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:39.640 talk like playing dinner or you just talk. You just wave, Uh, 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:42.200 it's it's it's not it's cool. That's cool to go 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:44.680 up there and say, hey, you know, you know you're 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:46.680 I am among how you doing? You know, like you're 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:49.080 just curious with that's how you do it? Yeah, okay, 1:05:49.120 --> 1:05:51.440 so let's let me I'll get this straight. Let's say 1:05:51.440 --> 1:05:54.000 you come in and let's say, fills mom, you've never 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:56.200 seen him, never heard of him. You walk in this 1:05:56.280 --> 1:05:59.919 room and fils. Mom. Yeah, you say, are you mom? Yeah, 1:05:59.920 --> 1:06:02.640 I would, I would because you can kind of just 1:06:02.720 --> 1:06:06.320 not like it would be like a knowing nod. I mean, 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:10.640 it's like to just ask him what if he's not well. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:15.320 I mean I actually saw a family um on my 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:18.200 flight here yesterday in Minneapolis, and they were like they 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:20.480 were sitting there and you had a feeling, Yeah, why 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:22.480 you knew because then they were you know, so I 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:23.840 was just like, hey, how are you guys doing? And 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:26.840 they were like, hey, you know what, why are you 1:06:26.880 --> 1:06:28.240 going to mind Town. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm just 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:30.920 gonna go meet some friends, you know. So yeah, I 1:06:30.960 --> 1:06:33.120 mean they were just so you felt obligated to go chat. 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:38.200 Yeah well yeah, yeah right, that's cool. Yeah. Uh, Okay, 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:39.840 I want to get back to Asia for a minute. 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:41.919 Your famous, But then I want to we gotta move 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:47.240 into um stereotypes about mong hunters, Okay, and I'll tell 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:52.960 you whole bunch of them. Okay, the in hunting Land, 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:56.400 in hunting World, there's two groups that everyone knows they're 1:06:56.440 --> 1:07:01.320 just the worst on the planet. They're so everything everybody 1:07:01.400 --> 1:07:06.320 in bottoms it's uh, the Amish and the month Are. 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:09.120 You know, they look like US, but they like to hunt, 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:12.240 which makes me not like them. Um, you hear about 1:07:12.320 --> 1:07:15.320 so I want to fast for a little bit. Through 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:19.080 the Vietnam War, so Americans started to pull out, and 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:20.800 you guys got a big old bulls on your back 1:07:21.680 --> 1:07:24.760 because we abandoned it. And people are like, it's those 1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:27.600 like they're after you now right, I mean the Communists 1:07:27.600 --> 1:07:30.920 come down hard exactly, yes, and lay out kind of 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:32.880 like with your own family. Here's you what that one 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:35.600 up looking like for you guys when the Americans left? Yeah, 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:39.360 so I was telling corindus. You know, in in the US, 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:43.200 in some states they recognized like May fourteenth, that's among 1:07:43.240 --> 1:07:46.440 American Day, and that was like the last day that 1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:50.919 essentially all the key advisors and some of the key 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:55.560 mong military personnel were evacuated out of Laos what year 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:01.439 and so even even before and in nineteen seventy three, 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:05.200 they had already signed a ceasefire in Paris. So when 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:09.520 they signed that ceasefire, it essentially turned Laos into a 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:13.640 civil war country because you had the group or the 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:17.759 military that's um I think supports the royal family, which 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:21.479 you know, Laos was a monarchy at some point, and 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:25.160 then you had the group that is supported by the communists, 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:29.160 So essentially they're still fighting to take over the country 1:08:29.200 --> 1:08:36.120 at that point, and so everybody leaves, um and um 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:39.040 essentially to your point, among people have a bull's eye 1:08:39.320 --> 1:08:42.960 on there, you know, on them. And my family, between 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:47.960 nineteen seventy five and nineteen seventy nine, we're essentially in 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:52.639 the jungles of Laos, hiding, trying to go places where 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:56.960 you may, where you can find relatives, family, um, food 1:08:57.120 --> 1:09:00.639 if you will, And there was still kind of groups 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:05.719 that were hoping that those who were airlifted out would 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:09.240 come back and take back the country is kind of 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:12.679 what they say, right, So for four years my family 1:09:12.720 --> 1:09:16.760 were we're basically just running around in the jungle if 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:19.200 you if you will, just like in hiding, living off 1:09:19.200 --> 1:09:23.280 the land, trying to avoid communists exactly exactly. Um. I 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:27.559 get credit for being the oldest in our family, um, 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:30.000 but actually, like I lost two siblings in that time 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:33.120 as well. Yeah, to tell how that happened, I had 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:36.840 a six year old brother. And the way that it 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:42.360 was explained to me was, um, again, they're walking you know. Uh, 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:45.599 in this particular instance, they're walking through the night and 1:09:45.640 --> 1:09:48.559 they had come under heavy fire, and we we had 1:09:48.560 --> 1:09:52.320 some relatives with us. My mom takes him he's six, 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:57.879 gives him to a relative who is a gentleman because 1:09:57.920 --> 1:10:00.720 he can actually carry him, right, And my mom had me, 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:05.400 and then my mom had Grandma, and so she gives 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:10.400 him to our relative and they make a dash for 1:10:10.400 --> 1:10:14.639 form the other side of this road. From from my understanding, well, 1:10:15.240 --> 1:10:17.679 my mom and I make it across with other people, 1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:22.160 and as this relative and my brother are coming through, 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:26.320 he says that he thinks my brother gets gets shot. 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:28.400 So when you when you carry somebody on your back 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:31.599 like like a child, they probably have some sort of tension. 1:10:32.200 --> 1:10:34.800 They have a grip on you sort of right. Well, 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.320 he says that. Um. He claims that as they were 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:41.040 running through and they came under heavy fire, Um, at 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:44.479 some point my brother let go. And so at that point, 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:48.240 he said that he made the decision to essentially leave 1:10:48.320 --> 1:10:51.320 my brother where he was and kept running. So they 1:10:51.320 --> 1:10:54.120 get to the other side, and you know, my mom's like, hey, 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:56.720 you know where is you know, where's my brother? What 1:10:56.760 --> 1:11:01.320 was your brother's name? Tongue, And so our relatively goes, well, 1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:03.840 you know, he's been shot. Um, I left him in 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:07.720 that general area. So my mom gives herself up. It's like, hey, 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:10.320 you know, my mom's like, I'm a woman. They're not 1:11:10.320 --> 1:11:12.640 gonna do anything to me. They don't care. I'm just 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:14.920 gonna give myself up. I'm gonna go trying to find, 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:18.479 you know, my brother. She gives herself up. She's captured. 1:11:19.280 --> 1:11:22.519 She comes around and first she says, she calls for him, 1:11:23.320 --> 1:11:26.519 and no answer, right, and she's like, well, maybe he 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:30.880 really is is gone, because he would have answered at 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:34.120 that point. Um. The other thing was she's like, I'm calling. 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:39.080 I'm calling to ask if anybody knows if it perhaps 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:42.120 maybe he's next to next to somebody who's still alive. 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:44.639 If you would share, like where you were. Well, people 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:46.920 don't want to give himself up, right because if you 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:50.439 give yourself up, you know, then there's a chance you 1:11:50.479 --> 1:11:54.639 die as well. Right, So there's that. So that's how 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:57.840 I lost my older brother. No resolution though, no resolution, 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:04.560 no idea where he's buried, no idea, yep, exactly. And 1:12:04.600 --> 1:12:06.439 then you lost a sister. I lost a sister in 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:09.360 the same time period, in the same time period, and 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:12.479 so my my my sister was lost in kind of 1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:17.160 this weird situation where they again they were, um, you know, 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:19.400 and it's related to hunting. You know. They get to 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:23.559 this village and you know there's like they just they're starving, 1:12:23.960 --> 1:12:27.599 right and you're you're running around, Um, you're hiding and 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:31.679 you don't really have much to eat and so um. 1:12:31.720 --> 1:12:36.120 The story is, my dad goes and traps this squirrel 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:40.679 looking animal and he can't find the like the English 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:43.679 equivalent or the American equivalent of it. I was able 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:45.439 to find some YouTube, so I'll send it to you guys, 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:48.240 if you guys are interested. But he's he finds this 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:51.639 this type of squirrel. It like it burrows itself into 1:12:52.200 --> 1:12:55.760 next to chee stumps into the ground, you know. And 1:12:55.920 --> 1:12:58.040 when I was in Vietnam, I was with a guy 1:12:58.200 --> 1:13:02.360 that had killed at about that in your book. Yeah, 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:05.439 he had killed a squirrel like creature. There was some 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:07.400 kind of like I think it was like an arboreal 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:10.280 marsupial of some sort. But it looks like it look 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:12.879 a lot like a squirrel and you killed it. Uh. 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:16.920 He was showing me the tree where he got it, right. Yeah, 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:19.559 maybe it was like I had never seen one in 1:13:19.560 --> 1:13:21.439 my life. I wish i'd I didn't see until he'd 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:23.720 already burned the hair off it, but it was it 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:26.800 was the equipment would be like a you know, like 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:33.320 a squirrel sized. So the story is that he goes 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:35.880 and gets traps one of those. They come back and 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:39.680 they cook it, and she somehow got sick from that 1:13:39.920 --> 1:13:42.840 and like passed within um, like a half a day 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:47.080 or something. So again I get credit for being the oldest, 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:49.200 but I you know, I lost two siblings, um, and 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:52.080 then essentially they were and you were alive at that point, 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:55.880 just very little. Yeah, I mean you were months months old, 1:13:55.920 --> 1:14:00.600 months old? How much were the month pissed at the 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:04.880 Americans for leaving? Um? I wouldn't say that, No, No, 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:08.439 I mean I think from everybody that I've talked to, 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:13.000 if anything, I think among people have more resentment against 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:17.240 the monk who left, um, if anything, but more resentment 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:19.920 against the monk who left earlier, who left like who 1:14:20.000 --> 1:14:22.639 left who left the country in general? Right, so they'd 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:27.200 have resentment against Europe Oh yeah, yeah for splitting, for splitting. Yeah, 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:30.719 Like I'll be honest, I Laos probably isn't the first 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:34.479 place I traveled to. You song, and laws would regard 1:14:34.479 --> 1:14:37.320 you guys as like traders. Yeah, you can say that, Yeah, 1:14:37.320 --> 1:14:40.599 I would, I would agree with that saying yeah exactly. Um, 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:44.120 Like as a young person, I don't know the Laotian language. 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:47.320 If I knew the language, I probably think about, hey, 1:14:47.680 --> 1:14:51.400 m one of my mom was it it's it's pretty country. Um. 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:53.200 But like my wife and I don't think we have 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:56.479 like louses in our you know, like the first place 1:14:56.520 --> 1:15:00.280 we'd visit, simply because I think they would have more 1:15:00.320 --> 1:15:05.160 resentment against like me versus Americans. There are people who 1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:07.760 didn't make it to refugee camps, who didn't make it 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:11.120 out of the country eventually, and they kind of stayed 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:14.760 behind and are still in the jungle all these years later, 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:19.040 like living still, I'm still being you know, in essential, 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:22.920 like like persecuted by by people there. It's funny because 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:26.680 you hear um, I should say it's funny, But you're 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:30.639 so often here in terms in relation to in China 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:34.320 and recently in the race relation to Taiwan, other places 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:39.479 where you hear about persecution of ethnic minorities, and it's 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:42.680 I think it's hard for Americans to get like that 1:15:42.760 --> 1:15:47.040 kind of like geo political sense to understand that even 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:51.920 in those places you had like indigenous people's right who 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:54.880 had these distinct cultures and so that the same way 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:57.000 you might have the sense of like like you might 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:59.920 have this sense of in America, you have this r 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:02.840 ro American culture. We all know it. Well if this 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:08.400 Euro American culture that collaborated with ward with indigenous peoples 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:12.520 and there's still like an indigenous you know, autonomy in places. 1:16:12.560 --> 1:16:14.320 But this is something that happens all around the world, 1:16:14.800 --> 1:16:19.240 like displaced indigenous individuals that in some way live you know, 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:23.400 oftentimes especially there live much closer to the land than 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:28.880 in our places. Are that ethnic minorities did not attain 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:32.120 their own nation states, like the majority of China is 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:36.160 Han Chinese. There are many many ethnic groups that just 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.080 didn't get their own country that they're in power and 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:42.439 specific to the Mong, it was really because as an 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:47.320 ethnic minority, we occupied you know, in our case like Laos, 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:50.280 the hillsides of Laos. You know, I mean, I think 1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:53.160 this happens everywhere too. Is like you just don't like, 1:16:53.960 --> 1:16:56.759 you know, ethnic minorities occupying that don't have a country 1:16:56.880 --> 1:17:01.040 occupying like your land. You know, so walk through how 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:04.160 you what was the process but which you guys ended 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:06.920 up in the US, and then why did you, why 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:11.800 do somebody go to Minnesota? Um? Yeah, I get asked 1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:13.559 that all the time, you know, like it's that you 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:16.040 guys like the cold or something. Yeah. Well, I mean 1:17:16.080 --> 1:17:18.360 if you think about it, if we occupy the hillsides, 1:17:18.520 --> 1:17:21.600 you know, the hill the altitude would higher, so we're 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:24.519 you could say, we're used to the cold. The reason 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:26.639 why we ended up in Minnesota was it was purely 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:30.200 by chance. Um. So if you again, if you meet 1:17:30.240 --> 1:17:35.600 among persons here in the US, their story is fairly similar. 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:40.280 You gotta target on you. When you know everybody pulls out. 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:43.920 You essentially had to make your way to one of 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:47.640 these refugee camps, the biggest one being in in Thailand. 1:17:48.120 --> 1:17:50.200 So also you have to get out of the country. 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:51.519 You had to. You got to get on the country 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:54.760 on foot through the jungles, you know, whatever it is 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:58.800 that you took the men. Um. I get told this 1:17:58.880 --> 1:18:02.000 story all the time. The the you know, when people 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:04.280 started pulling out, the men would like go and buy 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:08.120 tubes for themselves, like like you know, inner tubes, you 1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:10.679 know what I mean, you know, and crossing river, crossing 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:14.240 the river, for crossing the maykong Um because they knew 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:17.040 that at some point they would come to the river 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:20.479 and they would need to cross it. And so you know, 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:23.800 my parents get like separated. They get back together, to 1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:28.160 get separated through various reasons. Well they make it to 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:31.840 the river together, thankfully, you know. And some people didn't 1:18:32.160 --> 1:18:34.240 make it to the river together. They were like separated 1:18:34.240 --> 1:18:36.320 the whole time, had to meet up back in Thailand. 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:39.840 The mek F is the border between Laos and Yes 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:43.240 and then flows into Vietnam. Yeah, so if you cross 1:18:43.320 --> 1:18:47.840 the river, you like you make it to Thailand. Essentially, Um, 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:49.760 they gets it the river. My dad puts you know, 1:18:49.760 --> 1:18:53.559 my dad can't swim, puts in the tube. And but 1:18:53.640 --> 1:18:56.400 the way my mom explains it is like she basically 1:18:56.400 --> 1:19:00.800 thought he was gonna drown because can't swim. Only has 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:04.040 only has a tube because they're up in the mountains. Yeah, 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:07.479 because the mountains. I mean I think they fish. But 1:19:08.240 --> 1:19:11.439 I mean there's really not from my understand there's not 1:19:11.520 --> 1:19:13.639 really not places for you go to like the swim 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:15.360 or learn how to swim. I had a friend who 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:17.599 grew up on a ranch at nine thousand feet in Wyoming, 1:19:17.640 --> 1:19:21.960 and she says nothing of us not Yeah, says nothing 1:19:22.000 --> 1:19:25.280 to slim and it's cold, so um so, yeah, he 1:19:25.320 --> 1:19:27.400 tosses in turns. I mean my my mom said that 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:29.720 he's he's gone there. I mean there's you know a 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:33.280 lot of people died a crossing that river for some reason. 1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:35.519 He makes it across, and you know the way he 1:19:35.560 --> 1:19:37.920 explains it, but what about the kids, Well, the kids 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:40.519 stayed on the other side. I mean, you you The 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:44.120 idea was, if he makes it across, he can maybe 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:49.479 find tie officials or that can then come and just 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:52.280 send one person across the exactly come back with the 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:55.599 boat or whatever. Yeah, and so he goes by himself himself, 1:19:55.680 --> 1:19:57.840 not with your mom, No, not not with not with 1:19:58.200 --> 1:20:01.040 my mom, my grandma and whoever else, Um, my aunt. 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:03.920 There's this whole slew of people there and you guys 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:06.560 just like living off the land at this point. Yeah, exactly. 1:20:06.960 --> 1:20:10.240 And I'll get to this. But he he tosses and turns, 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:15.439 gets across, and he like sits down to rest. And 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:18.439 he the way he describes it is, this thing comes 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.639 out of the water and he thinks it's like some 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:23.519 you know, young people believe in like like water dragons 1:20:23.640 --> 1:20:26.760 or something something like that, right, like mystical like some 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:30.320 mystical animal. Right, He's like, this thing comes out of 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:33.200 the water. I'm like, he's like, I'm done for It's 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:37.479 like it's it's probably some you know animal that's like 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:40.280 coming to eat me, right, I guess, I guess it 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:42.720 creates a wave or something. What turns out that it 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:46.639 was a tie boat that saw him cross and came 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:51.360 to get him, and a boat. Yeah, so he was 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:54.960 kind of tripping from yeah. Yeah, he was in rough shape. Yeah, 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:59.120 he was. He didn't know what it was from his description, 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:04.280 he thought it was some my dragon is like, oh boy, 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:07.040 this is it, you know, this is it. I crossed 1:21:07.040 --> 1:21:10.080 the herver and this is it. Turns out it was UM, 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:15.120 like two tie officials with their boat, and so they 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:19.000 go they grab him, go to the other side and 1:21:19.240 --> 1:21:22.439 grab the rest of the family and and and berry 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:26.800 them across. So that's how we make the Thailand. So 1:21:26.840 --> 1:21:31.120 there has been tension between Thailand and Laos well UM 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:34.320 at that point because they're helping, they're like taking in 1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:36.760 and assisting in the escape of of people that they're 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:39.439 trying to catch. Well at that point in kind of 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:42.080 the history of this UM, you know, I think even 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:45.280 the US government coined it, like the Domino theory, you know, 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:48.639 could they They're like, basically, if one of these countries fall, 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:50.960 the rest in that region is going to fall. And 1:21:51.040 --> 1:21:55.559 so um, at that point, you know, Thailand wasn't at 1:21:55.600 --> 1:22:00.640 war or didn't didn't have any idea. So um, and 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:03.559 I get through what are political treaties that they had 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:06.719 at that time, I supposed, you know, the Tie camp 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:10.680 was the big refugee camp that everybody had to get to, right, 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:14.040 So they go to the refugee camp and essentially he 1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:18.240 goes and meets up with his commanding officer. By chance, 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:22.080 four days later, the guy, the guy that he served 1:22:22.080 --> 1:22:24.960 it with the commanding officer, I had heard that my 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:30.639 dad was still in Louse, essentially running right, hiding running, 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:36.160 and uh, four days after getting to the Regge refugee camp, 1:22:36.240 --> 1:22:40.080 he goes into the room the commanding officers there and 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.680 the gentleman I mentioned earlier from Missoula, Jerry Daniels, is 1:22:43.720 --> 1:22:46.479 in the room. He says that, well, I knew who 1:22:46.560 --> 1:22:49.439 Jerry was, and um, you know, Jerry was one of 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:51.800 those guys. He was like an advisor, but he was 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:54.559 a guy who was like train everybody and guns or 1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:57.080 taught people, you know, like the type of guns. Like 1:22:57.120 --> 1:22:59.040 he would come and say, hey, you know what this 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:01.240 M one is? You know what this M sixteen is? 1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:04.920 You know do you know these things? Um? He goes 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:07.040 into the room, and by this time my dad was 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:09.320 um the way he described it, he was so thin. 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:13.200 Then neither of those guys recognized who my dad was, 1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:17.400 and they say, hey, what are you guys doing in here? 1:23:17.479 --> 1:23:19.720 And he, you know, my dad goes, my dad's name 1:23:19.720 --> 1:23:22.559 is Dua. So my dad goes, you know, I'm Dulah 1:23:22.880 --> 1:23:25.680 and I served under you, and like basically they have 1:23:25.800 --> 1:23:29.439 this big group hug right, and I think there was 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:31.559 just like hey, we you know, we thought you were 1:23:31.680 --> 1:23:34.280 you were gone or you were still running around. Um, 1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:36.640 and so I know, I just arrived four days four 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:42.040 days earlier. So essentially the journey to hear was so 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:45.879 they get there, Jerry confirms, hey, you are a soldier, 1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:48.479 and that's when the process starts to come to America. 1:23:48.600 --> 1:23:52.759 My dad I wanted to go to California first because 1:23:52.760 --> 1:23:56.800 there had already been some people here in California, some relatives. 1:23:57.800 --> 1:24:03.360 And they gave him two choices, California or Minnesota. And 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:05.720 my dad said, I'm gonna go to California. Well they 1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:09.000 did the paperwork, and it's like, well, the people in 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:11.719 California that you say are you, they're only your clans people. 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:16.160 It's not media immediate family. So there's like we're looking 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:19.759 for immediate family. Well there, even though in the Mong culture, 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:25.200 your clansmen are actually much more important than say, like 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:29.040 your sister. Even your clansmen is really you know what 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:32.400 what you know? We when you talk about among families, 1:24:32.640 --> 1:24:34.600 it's all about the clan. So I'm a part of 1:24:34.600 --> 1:24:38.360 a clan. Those guys aren't your they're your clan, but 1:24:38.439 --> 1:24:41.160 they're not like your first cousins or anything. They're not 1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:43.760 your brothers. So we can't send you to California. So 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:45.560 they get stuck there for seven months. They're in the 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:49.000 refugee camps for seven months. And then my mom had 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:53.160 a brother, and we also had other clansmen end up 1:24:53.160 --> 1:24:58.880 in Minnesota around that time. The UM there's a couple 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:03.559 of Christian organizations in UM groups and people in Rochester, 1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:06.120 Minnesota is that's it's actually where we ended up. It 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:09.519 was in Rochester, Minnesota, and I we we still came 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:13.000 in contact with those folks today and we hunt on 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:15.120 their land, and I had a conversation with him a 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:18.559 few weeks ago, and the story from them was, you know, 1:25:18.560 --> 1:25:22.160 it was just two couples, James and Verie and then 1:25:22.479 --> 1:25:26.400 Bill and Sandy, who they like, They were friends, and 1:25:26.439 --> 1:25:28.680 they got together and they say, hey, we want to 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:33.200 do something. We want to sponsor a family. And their 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.320 reason was it was just the right thing to do. 1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:37.280 You know, they knew that among people fought in the 1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:40.479 war alongside the US, and they just wanted to do 1:25:40.640 --> 1:25:43.880 something out of the kindness of their heart. So they 1:25:44.120 --> 1:25:46.599 talked to some folks and they get together with their 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:51.759 respective churches and they say, well, we want to sponsor family. 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:55.680 That family ended up being us. So we end up 1:25:55.680 --> 1:26:01.639 in Rochester, Minnesota, and we had an goal my mom's 1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:04.840 half brother as well as some other clans member up 1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:07.160 in the Twin Cities, and so we end up in 1:26:07.240 --> 1:26:10.479 Rochester for um two years, and then we moved up 1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:14.160 to the Twin Cities. Basically, what year, So what year 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:20.759 did you land here? So you're uh, yeah, a ninety 1:26:20.840 --> 1:26:26.240 Well I was one and a half. My brother, um oh, 1:26:26.240 --> 1:26:30.840 I was counting from yeah, so uh so seventy five 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:33.960 to seventy nine. I was born in seventy nine. We're 1:26:34.280 --> 1:26:37.160 you know, we make it to UM, we make it 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:41.840 to the refugee camp in essentially a year passes and 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:54.680 then we end up in Rochester. Tell everybody about the 1:26:54.800 --> 1:27:02.360 prohibition on eating animal hearts. Yeah, so yeah, you're gonna 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:08.840 like this. Um so among people UM before the introduction 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:11.479 to Christianity. So you know, we talked a little bit 1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:18.840 about earlier about UM French influence in Southeast Asia. UM 1:27:19.000 --> 1:27:22.400 the like some of the very first non among people 1:27:23.160 --> 1:27:27.200 that non Asians UM that among people came in contact 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:33.280 with were like French missionaries priests that introduced UM among 1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:36.320 people to Christianity. I grew up Catholic, I was telling 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:39.160 Corinna's and for the longest time I didn't know why, 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:45.040 but I grew up Catholic. UM. So the traditional religion 1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:50.439 is UM. You know, they call it animists UM Shamanism, 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:54.960 the belief in in ancestral spirits, right, and so if 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:58.000 you were sick, we didn't believe that it was like 1:27:58.120 --> 1:28:00.599 physically you were sick, you know, we believe that there 1:28:00.680 --> 1:28:03.360 was your your spirit was sick. There was some sort 1:28:03.360 --> 1:28:08.759 of spiritual imbalance. So you would employ the the service 1:28:08.800 --> 1:28:10.880 of a shaman. He would come and you know he 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:14.360 was He's somebody who can go into the spirit world 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:17.639 and and you know, and and and fix your spirit 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.200 or or you know, or battle the spirit or the 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:23.000 evil spirits and warded off right, and that would make 1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:32.800 you better. Um. Well, the story around the heart is um, Uh, 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:38.920 there was there's a curse that's laid on UM, very 1:28:39.000 --> 1:28:43.840 specific clan group and I'm a part of that group. Yeah, 1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:46.640 so your group is under a curse. Yeah. And and 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:50.400 this is the legitimate This is a legitimate curse. So um, 1:28:50.479 --> 1:28:55.120 and the curse goes as follows. Uh. So the religion 1:28:55.439 --> 1:29:00.479 you know, animus Shamanism, Um. The story is that there 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:02.560 was a long time ago there was there was a 1:29:02.920 --> 1:29:08.479 ceremony going on and so this was a traditional ceremony. 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:12.120 In that ceremony, they were cooking up the stew, right, 1:29:12.200 --> 1:29:15.320 and the stew in there. There's different versions of this 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:19.160 depending on who tells it. But there was a ox 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:25.200 heart or or cow herd um and the shaman or 1:29:25.240 --> 1:29:31.640 the group of people there um had asked um a 1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:34.960 young man or a boy that was nearby to watch 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:38.000 the stew make sure no messages, make sure nobody messes 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:43.280 with it and the the The only significant details that 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:47.360 I remember from what with this this this young man 1:29:47.479 --> 1:29:52.320 or young boy, was that, um, he had a mental disability. 1:29:52.400 --> 1:29:54.720 So it's so you know, to be not to be 1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:58.000 like politically incorrect, but he was. He was like, um 1:29:58.040 --> 1:30:01.040 they in the mong were they? He said, like he's 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:06.160 he was slow, right, and so um, he's his task 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:08.559 was to wash the stew. So these guys go off 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:11.479 and do the thing, come back, and when they come 1:30:11.520 --> 1:30:14.040 back to grab the heart, it's nowhere to be found 1:30:14.840 --> 1:30:16.960 it and they can't find it in the stew at all. 1:30:18.360 --> 1:30:22.160 And so they talk it over and the conclusion that 1:30:22.200 --> 1:30:25.599 they came up with was, well, we need to use 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:30.800 his heart. Um, yeah, we we need to use his 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:35.040 because he can't like in a way I think he 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:40.120 can't defend himself, like well the slow boys. So they're 1:30:40.160 --> 1:30:43.720 like not only that, but its like I think the 1:30:43.760 --> 1:30:46.120 idea was like what they were asking him, like where 1:30:46.240 --> 1:30:49.400 was it? He like he couldn't explain, right, So they 1:30:49.479 --> 1:30:51.840 looked all over, can't find the heart. He must eat it, 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:55.640 so he must have eaten it. And so at this 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:59.400 point if he's he must have eaten it then in 1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:02.600 order to to make things right, well, we had to 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:05.200 use his and so what they ended up doing was 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:09.160 they end up killing the boy using his heart. So 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:13.559 they do that, and as the story goes, they find 1:31:13.560 --> 1:31:17.400 the boy, you know, dead and at the end of 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:20.960 the ceremony and everybody's cleaning up, they come back and 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:24.960 they're cleaning this pot. Well, hell, the heart was stuck 1:31:25.000 --> 1:31:29.120 at the bottom of this this pot, right, and so 1:31:29.160 --> 1:31:36.400 now they a big cover up in suits. It jumped wild. Yeah, 1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:40.840 so they're you know, they're they're they're um conspiring amongst themselves, 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:44.280 like we got to cover this, right, and there's a 1:31:44.520 --> 1:31:46.360 um And I don't know this. I don't know the 1:31:46.439 --> 1:31:49.360 significance of the lady. She might have been like a 1:31:49.400 --> 1:31:52.360 relative of the boy or the young man. While she 1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:57.960 overhears what they had done, so she lays the curse, 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:03.880 which is a doozy, right, basically the curses from this 1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:07.559 day fourth none of the men in this clan. What 1:32:07.680 --> 1:32:09.519 is the name of your clan? Um, Well, my last 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:12.439 name is Yang, so I'm a part of the Yang clan. Right. 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:16.759 So in Mong culture there's eighteen clans. So if you 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:18.560 if you're a Mong, you you belong in one of 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:21.559 these eighteen. You recognized by the last names of the 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:25.559 person the curses from this day. Fourth, anybody in this clan, 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:29.040 any of the men in this clan. If you eat heart, 1:32:29.160 --> 1:32:33.040 you will go blind. And that's heart and I'm never 1:32:33.080 --> 1:32:36.920 eating heart now to be fair, you know there's eighteen clans, 1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:41.000 and then in those clans there's subclans, right, so we're 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:44.040 not all related. Um, because you know, depending on where 1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:46.880 you're from in parts of the country. Even though I'm 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:50.160 I'm part of the Yang clan, this curse doesn't actually 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:53.800 affect all the Yangs. It only affects like certain subclans 1:32:53.800 --> 1:32:57.439 who observe it. Yeah, so as a Mong person you 1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:02.640 grow up, well one for sure, Um, you can't marry 1:33:03.080 --> 1:33:05.559 or date somebody of the same last name, and that 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:09.200 applies to the entire like clan. So you have to 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:10.560 go out of your clan. You have to go to 1:33:10.680 --> 1:33:13.720 your clan, did you Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, but 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.800 your wife's mom, my wife's mom. Yeah, but out of clan, 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:19.559 out of clan, she's a van. Yeah. And so does 1:33:19.600 --> 1:33:22.479 she hang onto that name? Oh yeah, she hangs onto it, Yes, 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:27.960 my wife did. Yeah, are pretty good reason, a good 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:31.360 reason like that, she said you didn't wanna have to 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:36.600 like update all of her stuff. Yeah, you know, Um, 1:33:36.760 --> 1:33:39.639 mostly the Mong women hold on to their to their 1:33:39.640 --> 1:33:41.920 maiden names and that in that curse. Yeah, it was 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:45.679 that another clan that placed the curse on your clan 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:49.320 or like who um the Yeah, that's a good question. 1:33:49.320 --> 1:33:51.160 I actually don't know. Again I mentioned I don't know 1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:54.880 the significance of the woman. Yeah, but it was so 1:33:55.120 --> 1:33:59.040 um the the so the woman laid the curse and 1:33:59.080 --> 1:34:03.040 it only affects them men of very specific subclans right. 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:07.360 So um, going back to you learning the things you 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:09.400 grew up with. Number one thing you learn as a 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:11.679 young person, don't marry your client. Can't You can't marry 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:14.000 because they're consider your sibling, the consider your brother or 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:18.200 your sister. Um for me. Number two is you can 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:21.160 never eat heart. And you haven't and I haven't any 1:34:21.240 --> 1:34:24.000 heart of any animal, no heart. We have these beef 1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:30.920 heart pills. I'm hoping, you know, I've never tried, but 1:34:30.960 --> 1:34:34.720 I'm hoping. I'm you know, I'm hoping that, you know, 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:37.040 like if I were to eat it by accident, you know, 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:43.760 I'm hoping, like the spirits are so you know, every 1:34:43.760 --> 1:34:46.360 time you eat heart on you know, wherever on this 1:34:46.439 --> 1:34:48.479 series or whatever. I like, dang, I can't do that. 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:51.960 And you know my buddies are you know, they're like, yeah, 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:55.120 you know, once we you know, if we we ever 1:34:55.120 --> 1:34:57.720 shoot a deer or whatever it is, we're just we're 1:34:57.720 --> 1:34:59.040 gonna eat a heart in front of you, and you 1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:00.519 there's nothing you can do but at it, you know. 1:35:00.640 --> 1:35:02.479 And I'm like, yeah, that's true. And then you know 1:35:02.880 --> 1:35:06.679 at family gatherings, you know, all the women would eat heart. 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:10.480 Would your wife eat it? She would? Yeah? But um, 1:35:10.560 --> 1:35:12.439 all the like we go to gatherings and all the 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:14.679 women be like just making fun of the men because 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:16.280 they're just sitting there eating the heart and they're like, 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:19.560 you guys can't touch it. Yeah. Let me tell you 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:20.920 a story I heard. Let me tell you a story 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:25.720 me and Johanni heard Missouri. Okay, okay, guys tellings. There's 1:35:25.720 --> 1:35:31.360 no squirrels around right now. You know where this is going. Okay, 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:36.479 why the monk killed them all? Yeah, big roving bands 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:43.519 of monk came down from Minnesota, conducted a massive squirrel drive, 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:47.040 which I didn't know. It's the thing, I don't know 1:35:47.040 --> 1:35:49.519 if they got tree climbing gear what they conducted a 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:56.120 massive squirrel drive. Okay, killed off all the squirrels in 1:35:56.200 --> 1:36:00.000 order to sell them. And I said, who do they 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:03.840 sell them to the other monk? And I said, so 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:06.520 hong it. So a bunch of mone came down from Minnesota, 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:10.519 drove to Missouri, conducted a massive squirrel drive, killed all 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:13.840 the squirrels, drove back to Minnesota, and sold them to 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:21.320 other moms. Correct, I got it. Uh. Do you hear 1:36:21.360 --> 1:36:29.800 a lot of this kind of stuff? I I I 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:34.800 certainly know of among loving squirrels. I mean, squirrels king 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:39.360 among among people, right, even even more so than deer everything. 1:36:39.479 --> 1:36:42.880 Oh yeah, uh jib read that article. There's an article 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:46.639 in Harper's magazine decades ago called squirrel Hunting with the Monk. 1:36:47.360 --> 1:36:51.000 I might I might have heard of it, yes, Um, 1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:54.240 but I'm not gonna die among people love the squirrels, 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:58.760 and because they you know, if you think about it, um, 1:36:58.960 --> 1:37:01.800 small game was really what they were able to hunt 1:37:02.120 --> 1:37:05.679 back in the mouse and so you know call it, 1:37:05.920 --> 1:37:10.080 you know, just having the the the love for the 1:37:10.120 --> 1:37:13.360 taste of squirrel. And my dad today, you know, he 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:17.200 would him and I go squirrel hunting. The only hunting 1:37:17.200 --> 1:37:19.719 with him and I go together is squirrel hunting, and 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:22.880 because that's just what they love to do. I think 1:37:22.880 --> 1:37:26.479 they like to chase. I'll be honest and say from 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:28.240 a lot of people that I have talked about, talked to, 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:34.479 they're they're like just somehow really good at hunting squirrels. Um. 1:37:34.520 --> 1:37:36.479 And I know there's like squirrel calls out there. You 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:39.320 guys have ever heard that, Like they use um, lemon 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:43.680 grass to to call him the squirrels. Yeah, yeah, you're 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:47.120 here rubbing two quarters together and I'm not. But I've 1:37:47.240 --> 1:37:50.599 just been taught to like to blow on lemon grass 1:37:50.680 --> 1:37:55.519 early in the season, make a little distress. Yeah, basically 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:59.320 you're creating the stress call of of of baby. When 1:37:59.360 --> 1:38:02.120 it works, when there's still young squirrels around, like in September, 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:04.160 it brings them all out. One of what the hell's happening? 1:38:04.200 --> 1:38:06.000 Like a hawks got one of them or whatever. Now, 1:38:06.000 --> 1:38:09.320 I will say, I don't know, like I don't see 1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:11.640 people selling squirrels. I don't know. I've never been on 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:17.559 you've never gone down to Missouri for Big Squirrel Drive? Yeah, 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:22.519 the squirrel the Grave Missouri Squirrel round Up. Um. Yeah, yeah, 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:25.679 they love squirrels. I don't know about the selling part. 1:38:25.760 --> 1:38:29.400 I mean in Minnesota. I if you told me where 1:38:29.439 --> 1:38:32.160 I go buy scores, I wouldn't. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, 1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:36.120 I like I should be clear about the point I 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:38.320 was trying. Like the point I was getting at is 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:44.479 this idea that um that it's like and you'll hear 1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:47.120 just often, you'll hear just frequently like I hear it frequently. 1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:51.679 Is that, um, they're these kind of like we hold 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:58.680 like in areas where Euro American hunters and then they 1:38:58.680 --> 1:39:01.599 would use competing, not not like they're all hunters together, 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:04.040 but like there's like you're you're like competing against this 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:06.960 other entity, this other group you're competing against. The monk 1:39:07.800 --> 1:39:12.720 and the moong are kind of um, like these sort 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:16.280 of supernaturally good hunters but also don't know what they're doing. 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:18.680 They get to be both things, Like they get to 1:39:18.680 --> 1:39:20.280 not know what they're doing, but also they're super they 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:29.200 have like supernatural prowess, and they u zero regard for 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:35.400 hunting rules, kill everything, eat it in weird ways, eat 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:38.639 weird things. I mean, you just hear it all the time. 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:40.160 And I heard it from a guy I don't want 1:39:40.160 --> 1:39:42.360 to say who was. I heard it from a guy 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:43.720 I don't want to say, who was I heard it 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:47.919 from a guy last year complaining about he doesn't hunt squirrels. 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:52.200 He's a deer hunter, doesn't squirrels, complaining about how the 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:54.280 monk killers squirls. But you don't hunt squirrels. We mean 1:39:54.280 --> 1:39:59.120 they kill all the squirrels. If he was hearing about 1:39:59.120 --> 1:40:01.080 a dude looked like m hunting squirrels, he'd be like 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:03.240 that guys el squirrel hunting. But if it's a moment 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:06.360 like the squirrels, do you know what I mean, it's 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:10.000 just like a thing. Yeah, you mentioned the Amish earlier, 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.880 and I'm sure Seth heard it. I heard it in Pennsylvania. 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:16.000 And when we talk about this, we'll get flooded with 1:40:16.040 --> 1:40:19.679 the emails starting like the second this droughts and flow 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:24.360 the emails be like, yeah, but seriously that uh that? 1:40:24.600 --> 1:40:29.200 What's that pump um Remington rifle? The seven sixty six 1:40:29.400 --> 1:40:32.080 Everyone growing up everyone called that the Amish machine guns 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:38.280 exactly if it wasn't that it was a lever action. Um, yeah, 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:42.519 what how much do you have any insights into how 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:45.240 I mean from your angle, do you have insights into 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:52.160 how like where that that stereotype? Like why that's appealing 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:56.800 to people. Are are you? Are you subject to that? 1:40:56.880 --> 1:40:59.599 Do people do like white dudes meet you out hunting 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:02.479 and they know you've been up to no good? Jean? 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:04.240 Is this like a thing you live with? Or Am 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:06.559 I telling you things you've never heard before? No? No, no, 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:10.479 I don't think that's that's new news. Um, it's not 1:41:10.560 --> 1:41:13.960 new news, you know, um And and in fact, you 1:41:14.000 --> 1:41:18.400 know a few weeks ago I talked to Um Liaison 1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:21.040 from the d n R who he was among Liaison 1:41:21.720 --> 1:41:25.400 a long time among the Aison retired now, but I 1:41:25.479 --> 1:41:28.519 mean he said those same things and so like he 1:41:29.120 --> 1:41:31.880 said the same things in what way and that you 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:35.520 know among people would I mean they hunt in in 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:38.760 in groups. Um, it's it's we just go together. That's 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:42.000 one that's and that's that's something that we brought over 1:41:42.080 --> 1:41:44.680 from looses. And people don't like that. Well I guess it. 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:48.120 I guess not. You know, instead of like one buddy, 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:51.000 you go with more people. So having a hunting camp 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:53.719 when you go to deer camp and here's sixteen people 1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:55.960 at deer camp, that's cool. Or a pheasant drive with 1:41:56.160 --> 1:42:03.719 thirty guys in South dudes, well there, yeah, there's that right, 1:42:03.760 --> 1:42:07.759 And then so that one being like groups of people, yeah, groups, 1:42:07.880 --> 1:42:10.280 And then we were talking about this is like among 1:42:10.360 --> 1:42:15.439 people go early man, we we okay, we're talking like 1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:18.920 you know, it's it's that whole public private land, you know, 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:25.320 UM kind of conversation right um on public land. We 1:42:25.960 --> 1:42:29.000 I mean, I the Turkey season just wrapped up in 1:42:29.400 --> 1:42:32.280 Um on the thirty one to May, and my buddies 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:34.720 and I went out at four in the morning, and 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:38.520 so we were there and there was nobody around. UM. 1:42:38.600 --> 1:42:41.599 And to say, to answer your question around you know, 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:45.680 being subject to it, well, I mean I've heard UM, 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:48.920 and I'm full aware of it. And then I haven't 1:42:48.960 --> 1:42:54.120 been hunting long enough to like maybe experienced that. UM. 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:57.840 But in talking to this liaison, you know, he says 1:42:57.880 --> 1:43:02.880 that uh moong relations with you know, in this case, 1:43:02.960 --> 1:43:07.160 we'll just say say, you know, the whites in Minnesota 1:43:08.080 --> 1:43:10.920 over the years have just have become a lot better, 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:14.280 have become better, have become better. It's like he's like, 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:18.240 it's it's ten times much better than you know. He's 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:21.000 for he first started hunting in Minnesota in nineteen seven, 1:43:21.439 --> 1:43:24.639 so he was he was there very early early on, 1:43:25.040 --> 1:43:28.479 and he he had He's like Yeah, this w m 1:43:28.520 --> 1:43:31.240 A that we have in the Twin Cities used to 1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:33.720 be full of squirrels and now they're the squirrels are 1:43:33.760 --> 1:43:36.160 all gone because you know, he shared it with people 1:43:36.200 --> 1:43:37.960 and then you know, all the monks went and killed 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:45.360 all the squirrels. Okay, I mean I'm looking tonight. We 1:43:45.760 --> 1:43:50.160 we love you guys, got onto it. You guys got 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:55.200 the spots. Okay, all right, we're getting somewhere now. How 1:43:55.840 --> 1:43:59.000 so you knew Okay, did Gerald Man come here in 1:43:59.160 --> 1:44:02.480 automatically or did he not hunt when he came? Um? 1:44:02.640 --> 1:44:05.760 Well he not not right away. UM. You know I 1:44:05.800 --> 1:44:10.640 talked about um Bill and Sandy Sulivan who live in 1:44:10.720 --> 1:44:14.680 Rochester today. They have eighty acres UM. I think it's 1:44:14.720 --> 1:44:18.280 considered like the drift just drift list area of of 1:44:18.360 --> 1:44:24.320 the of Minnesota, Southeastern Minnesota. UM. And they actually introduced 1:44:24.360 --> 1:44:28.920 my dad to hunting UM in UM like eight one, 1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:32.040 I think is what he said. So shortly after they arrived. 1:44:32.640 --> 1:44:36.000 UM because among people were farmers as well, and she 1:44:36.080 --> 1:44:38.320 was she was telling me, Sandy was telling me that 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:42.040 we got your mom uh plot of land so she 1:44:42.080 --> 1:44:44.479 could farm. And then UM, that's kind of what they 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:46.640 did for a little bit before they came up to 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:50.960 the cities. And then I remember my dad hanging um 1:44:51.000 --> 1:44:56.599 a buck in um in our basement after he shot it, 1:44:56.720 --> 1:45:02.040 like early eighties. So he didn't hunt right away until um, 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:04.160 you know, like Bill and Sandy and and some of 1:45:04.160 --> 1:45:06.679 the people that we were um that brought us over 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:10.800 here and and sponsored us, like took him hunting. Yeah. Uh, 1:45:10.800 --> 1:45:13.160 And that's pretty hard to get used to. Like if 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:16.080 you went from subsistence hunting in the in a like 1:45:16.240 --> 1:45:20.439 lawless civil war exactly region of kind of of a 1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:22.880 war torn Southeast Asia and all of sud it's like, 1:45:22.920 --> 1:45:24.400 oh no, you go down and you buy this permit 1:45:25.240 --> 1:45:26.840 and you follow these rules and you can't do this, 1:45:26.920 --> 1:45:29.000 you can't do that. A lot of this menu a day, 1:45:29.160 --> 1:45:32.080 it's probably huh yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that, right, 1:45:32.160 --> 1:45:35.400 And and and again in talking to you know that 1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:39.760 the ore the liaison, he said that there was a 1:45:39.800 --> 1:45:42.400 lot of that. There was, you know, among people came here, 1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:46.759 didn't know the language, right, had no concept of wildlife management. 1:45:47.400 --> 1:45:50.160 Um in Laos there there wasn't none. Like you hunted 1:45:50.200 --> 1:45:53.840 because you were hungry, and you know, you just you 1:45:53.920 --> 1:45:57.559 hunted anything that you could see. Um, so coming here, 1:45:57.600 --> 1:46:01.000 you know, yeah, there's some for some for the for 1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:05.120 people coming over here. It was something that they you know, 1:46:05.280 --> 1:46:07.719 how to get used to. Um. You know. Some other 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:12.840 issues he said early on, were just language barrier, right. Um. 1:46:12.880 --> 1:46:15.439 You know if and and you know, you meet somebody 1:46:15.439 --> 1:46:20.920 on the woods, if you don't understand language, sometimes there's issues. Um. 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:24.240 But one thing he did tell me was earlier I 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:27.240 mentioned about it getting way better. He said, the young 1:46:27.320 --> 1:46:35.400 hunters now understand the laws, understand public versus private, understand um, 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:41.240 shooting light understand possession, limited understand um, all these They 1:46:41.600 --> 1:46:44.559 know the rules and regulations as well. And so it's 1:46:44.560 --> 1:46:48.639 almost like now that you know, we all understand each other, 1:46:48.680 --> 1:46:51.120 it's like it's it's it's almost like again it's gotten 1:46:51.600 --> 1:46:55.880 way better, like a generation removed from the lawlessness. Another 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:58.920 thing occurs you about the situation you're describing that your 1:46:58.920 --> 1:47:01.479 family was in and all those years, is um, if 1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:04.960 you imagine just this concept of private and public, if 1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:08.519 you were a nation lists you're coming at, you're a 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:15.120 nationalist person right moving across the landscape where you don't 1:47:15.160 --> 1:47:19.479 own property, you have no government, you know, like you 1:47:19.479 --> 1:47:21.120 spend your whole life or you're not supposed to be 1:47:21.680 --> 1:47:25.439 according to someone's definition. And I imagine it's probably also 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:27.400 hard to show up and get like, oh, I see 1:47:27.479 --> 1:47:32.160 like that fence. They're right, don't you know, When your 1:47:32.200 --> 1:47:35.360 sort of whole existence has been going where you needed 1:47:35.400 --> 1:47:39.640 to go, people shot at you. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. 1:47:39.720 --> 1:47:41.680 And you know, he also wenttioned, you know, and this 1:47:41.760 --> 1:47:47.320 makes sense to me. Early on, we we didn't have anything, 1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:50.280 and so you know, you were too busy trying to 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:55.759 acclimate to a new country. You were too busy establishing, um, 1:47:55.800 --> 1:47:58.719 maybe a career or going to school or or um, 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:01.559 you know, just making a living here. And so we 1:48:01.840 --> 1:48:06.320 mostly hunted public lands, right, And he said, no money 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:08.479 to buy land. Yeah, no money to buy land. Um. 1:48:08.520 --> 1:48:11.679 And he said as through the years, among people started 1:48:11.720 --> 1:48:16.240 buying boats, right, started buying land. And over the years, 1:48:16.520 --> 1:48:19.360 you know, at least what he's seen in Minnesota is 1:48:19.439 --> 1:48:23.519 that we've kind of just become a part of the 1:48:23.600 --> 1:48:26.400 hunting community. It's just like, yes, like mong people are 1:48:26.479 --> 1:48:29.720 just they're they're like us essentially. So it's got he says, 1:48:29.720 --> 1:48:32.519 It's just you know, through the years, it's just gotten 1:48:32.560 --> 1:48:36.439 way better. Especially he credits the young hunters for again, 1:48:37.120 --> 1:48:40.599 understanding the laws, the rules and and and and abiding 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:46.240 by those. Uh you so you're interested, Like you got 1:48:46.280 --> 1:48:49.000 a gun you have you know, you bought a gun 1:48:49.040 --> 1:48:51.920 for personal protection before you bought a hunting gun. Yes, 1:48:52.320 --> 1:48:54.760 how did that go? Like how how did that come? 1:48:54.840 --> 1:48:57.920 Like A yeah, and you were brought up around guns 1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:01.160 or no I wasn't. I was. And so you know, 1:49:01.320 --> 1:49:04.360 going back to like my relationship with my dad, I mean, 1:49:04.600 --> 1:49:06.559 you know it's kind of like, you know, you want 1:49:06.560 --> 1:49:09.160 to call it like kind of like the Asian relationship 1:49:09.320 --> 1:49:14.120 is like it's respectable. Right, And again going back to 1:49:15.280 --> 1:49:18.360 growing up here, my dad spent a lot of his 1:49:18.479 --> 1:49:20.800 time just providing for us. He works second shift, so 1:49:20.840 --> 1:49:23.880 you didn't really have that interaction. Um so he never 1:49:23.920 --> 1:49:30.200 took us hunting. Um and so um it was going 1:49:30.200 --> 1:49:32.439 back to the whole gun thing. Like my my wife's 1:49:32.479 --> 1:49:36.280 actually a federal officer. She carries she she actually had 1:49:36.439 --> 1:49:39.400 issued one, but she just chooses not to to carry 1:49:39.400 --> 1:49:44.120 it with her. But um my, my, why I didn't 1:49:44.160 --> 1:49:48.080 get into hunting until like a year ago, right, was 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:52.519 ignorance of I didn't I didn't want to handle a 1:49:52.560 --> 1:49:59.640 firearm because I equated hunting with firearms. Right. Two. I 1:50:00.800 --> 1:50:04.720 The other piece was, well, you need private land at 1:50:04.760 --> 1:50:08.080 least the way I was thinking was you need private 1:50:08.160 --> 1:50:10.760 land in in Minnesota to be able to hunt. So 1:50:10.840 --> 1:50:15.920 like it was like those two barriers to entry almost right. Um, 1:50:15.960 --> 1:50:19.559 So a year ago this week, um, some a buddy, 1:50:19.680 --> 1:50:22.320 some buddies, my cousin and a couple of buddies decided 1:50:22.360 --> 1:50:25.800 to go fishing in South Dakota. Um. You know, if 1:50:25.840 --> 1:50:29.960 you think about a year ago this week, Um, there's 1:50:30.000 --> 1:50:33.599 a lot of unrest in Minnesota. You had the murder 1:50:33.640 --> 1:50:37.160 of George Floyd behind four officers, You had the pandemic 1:50:37.600 --> 1:50:42.719 going on, you had Asian hate going on. And so 1:50:42.960 --> 1:50:45.559 here the four of us are like, hey, let's go 1:50:45.640 --> 1:50:49.040 fishing in South Dakota and and enjoy some time. And 1:50:49.320 --> 1:50:51.040 one of the very first questions that came out of 1:50:51.080 --> 1:50:55.200 that was which one of us has a gun for 1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:58.400 for personal protection? Now not that we would ever hopefully 1:50:58.439 --> 1:51:00.840 would never use it or need it, but like that, 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:03.360 like that was something that came up for piece of money, 1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:06.600 for peace of mind. And so you know, it was 1:51:06.640 --> 1:51:08.960 a seven hour drive from where we were. You know, 1:51:09.040 --> 1:51:11.800 we went fishing in South Dakota. So we kind of 1:51:11.840 --> 1:51:13.960 like just talked about it. And the one guy who 1:51:14.120 --> 1:51:17.240 did have consumed carry, he you know, he basically gave 1:51:17.320 --> 1:51:19.759 us the low down, right, you know, seven hour drive 1:51:19.880 --> 1:51:22.840 you know. You of course talked about it, and he 1:51:22.920 --> 1:51:26.760 lived in an area where there was actually looting, like 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:32.160 in his backyard. Right, He's like, I have this because legitimately, 1:51:32.200 --> 1:51:36.120 I we should be protecting ourselves because everything that's going on. 1:51:36.520 --> 1:51:38.400 So it's kind of like this perfect storm of things. 1:51:38.920 --> 1:51:40.760 And so I came back and I was like, I 1:51:40.840 --> 1:51:43.040 was just like gung ho, and hey, you know, I 1:51:43.439 --> 1:51:45.840 need to go get myself. And I'm a leader. I'm 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:48.439 a contributor to you know, the what are millions of 1:51:48.439 --> 1:51:54.599 people that bought sorry yeah yeah, I contribute to that. 1:51:54.680 --> 1:51:57.639 Yeah yeah. So um, and that was your first firearm purse? 1:51:57.680 --> 1:51:59.320 That was that was my first firearm purchase. Did you 1:51:59.360 --> 1:52:01.360 go get a concealed carry permit? Yes? I did so 1:52:01.439 --> 1:52:04.120 right away. It came back, I gotta permit to go 1:52:04.200 --> 1:52:07.599 purchase and then you know, took the class and got 1:52:08.000 --> 1:52:11.479 the license to carry. Um, and so I got that, 1:52:11.880 --> 1:52:14.800 so you know if you so I got it. So 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:17.080 I'm like and then my brother is actually a state 1:52:17.080 --> 1:52:20.200 trooper in the state Minnesota. So he's been hunting for 1:52:20.240 --> 1:52:24.360 a long time. Heavy law enforcement. Yeah, you, um, is 1:52:24.400 --> 1:52:27.240 that unusual? Uh, there's a lot of Monge going to 1:52:27.280 --> 1:52:29.240 law enforcement. Are you kind of an anomaly that your 1:52:29.280 --> 1:52:35.280 wife and I don't? There's there's not many. There's some 1:52:35.520 --> 1:52:37.400 like I have a first cousin within law enforcement. So 1:52:37.439 --> 1:52:40.320 I mean I think I think there's there's there's some 1:52:40.360 --> 1:52:41.840 of that, but it's not like a no one. It's 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:45.960 like a like an industry, y'all infant or no. And 1:52:45.960 --> 1:52:48.200 you know there's there's there's people who are involved with 1:52:48.240 --> 1:52:51.000 the community. Um. You know, we had like the first 1:52:51.120 --> 1:52:55.040 mung Um state senator a few years back. So I 1:52:55.040 --> 1:52:57.920 think Mong people are really into like serving. I think 1:52:57.960 --> 1:52:59.960 serving is the right word, is that we like to 1:53:00.040 --> 1:53:04.320 serve um. And so you know, my brother started like 1:53:04.320 --> 1:53:06.200 showing me how to use it. And then shortly like 1:53:06.280 --> 1:53:08.680 shortly after I got my nine milion, I buy an 1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:13.439 a R fifteen, right and so to two six and 1:53:13.479 --> 1:53:16.679 I'm not I like so so that was like my 1:53:16.760 --> 1:53:20.320 first deer rifle. Do you have you hunted deer? I 1:53:20.360 --> 1:53:24.800 have yet? So, um when when you in any case, 1:53:26.120 --> 1:53:28.920 why I got into a hunting. Um, so I'm shooting 1:53:28.920 --> 1:53:31.799 this nine millimeter. I'm like, at one point I realized, 1:53:31.840 --> 1:53:35.479 you know what, I hope I never get to use 1:53:35.520 --> 1:53:38.040 this or have to use this, right, but shooting is fun, 1:53:38.200 --> 1:53:40.040 like you know the act of shooting and going to 1:53:40.040 --> 1:53:42.800 the range for my brother him showing me how to 1:53:42.920 --> 1:53:45.760 you know, take it apart. This is kind of fun, right, 1:53:45.760 --> 1:53:47.439 I'd like to shoot more. And so that's kind of 1:53:47.479 --> 1:53:51.840 like what spurred the whole hunting Like itch, Um, now, 1:53:51.840 --> 1:53:53.479 did you put a scope on your a R or 1:53:53.520 --> 1:53:56.439 like a red dot on put a red dot on it? Yeah? So, 1:53:57.040 --> 1:53:59.759 um put a red out it. And then I wrote 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:02.400 this in the email to you guys too. Is around 1:54:02.479 --> 1:54:06.439 the same time my buddy, Um, I bought forty acres 1:54:06.479 --> 1:54:09.200 up north, and he's like, you know, he he was 1:54:09.240 --> 1:54:12.360 he just bought it. Um, he said he bought it 1:54:12.360 --> 1:54:17.040 for hunting. So one got over the fear of firearms too. Hey, 1:54:17.080 --> 1:54:18.960 we have forty acres we can hunt on. And that's 1:54:19.000 --> 1:54:22.760 really what kind of like pushing me over the edge? 1:54:23.040 --> 1:54:26.000 Was it? What was it something since your dad did hunt, 1:54:26.040 --> 1:54:28.519 were you interested in it as a kid or and 1:54:28.560 --> 1:54:30.800 you just never had the opportunity. Yeah, it was. It 1:54:30.840 --> 1:54:32.880 was exactly that. It was. You know, my brother and 1:54:32.920 --> 1:54:35.920 my dad went all the time. I've just like never 1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:37.800 given it the time of day. But you were like 1:54:37.920 --> 1:54:41.600 you were philosophically opposed to owner in the firearm um 1:54:41.800 --> 1:54:44.760 or just didn't uh not a post to owning one. 1:54:44.840 --> 1:54:47.160 I just like I was just scared of like physically 1:54:47.200 --> 1:54:50.240 handling want to right, Well, once I got over that, 1:54:50.720 --> 1:54:54.400 and then um, hey there's forty acres of land we 1:54:54.440 --> 1:54:57.760 can hunt on, right, and so and these are more 1:54:57.880 --> 1:55:00.840 dudes you're hunting with. Oh yeah, yeah, my my best friends. 1:55:00.920 --> 1:55:05.360 Yeah exactly, and um so we were all just like 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:09.360 kind of gotten to this, um like, hey, let's let's 1:55:09.440 --> 1:55:12.520 let's do this right and this this was like August 1:55:12.600 --> 1:55:17.800 dish right, So the rifle dear rifle season was November, 1:55:17.960 --> 1:55:20.080 and so we like we started buying all the year. 1:55:20.760 --> 1:55:25.440 Um and you know, uh, in Minnesota, there's a north 1:55:25.480 --> 1:55:28.120 in the South region. So in the south you can 1:55:28.240 --> 1:55:31.640 do shotgun only. Um, there's the northern region where you 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:34.840 can do like rifle. So I like, I I was 1:55:34.880 --> 1:55:37.960 gonna go with my air fifteen two two three, and 1:55:38.000 --> 1:55:40.680 they were going to go with shotguns. And so we 1:55:40.720 --> 1:55:43.320 got all geared up and you know that's so you're 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:45.760 in the rifle. Are the shotgun area. We're in the rifle. 1:55:46.640 --> 1:55:48.240 So you can do you can do, but you were 1:55:48.240 --> 1:55:50.040 in an area where you could do it. You could choose, 1:55:50.400 --> 1:55:52.160 but they already had shotguns. They were gonna use their 1:55:52.160 --> 1:55:53.800 shotguns and you were going to use your a r 1:55:54.320 --> 1:56:02.640 correct correct how to go? Didn't tag, didn't didn't. Um, yeah, 1:56:02.680 --> 1:56:05.440 we did. Anybody get one? No, nobody got one. Nobody 1:56:05.440 --> 1:56:09.880 got we saw. Yes, Well here's the story we saw 1:56:10.920 --> 1:56:14.000 and so you know we saw, but they were so 1:56:14.200 --> 1:56:16.880 I mean two to three I think for me was 1:56:18.400 --> 1:56:21.080 I think semi five yards and under because it is 1:56:21.160 --> 1:56:24.400 kind of what you know through our research, right shotguns 1:56:24.480 --> 1:56:27.480 is like the same thing sixty yards and under close. 1:56:28.280 --> 1:56:33.400 You had to otherwise you know, again, we wouldn't shoot right. Well, 1:56:33.520 --> 1:56:37.600 we started seeing deer and they're like hundred fifty yards away, 1:56:37.600 --> 1:56:42.400 two hund yards away. So after the first week um 1:56:42.560 --> 1:56:46.240 of hunting, and after the after the week and a half, 1:56:47.080 --> 1:56:50.360 we saw a deer that was way too far away, 1:56:50.600 --> 1:56:53.879 right and um, we actually went on a separate property, 1:56:54.160 --> 1:56:58.160 private property that backed up to um Uh state land 1:56:58.360 --> 1:57:01.000 and so we were seeing deer like a hundred yards 1:57:01.000 --> 1:57:03.960 two yards away. Well, I'm sitting there like I never 1:57:04.040 --> 1:57:06.600 I don't have a shot. I don't I will never 1:57:06.760 --> 1:57:09.280 be able to shoot if I have. You know this 1:57:09.440 --> 1:57:12.400 a R and I'm not not gonna rs. But the 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:14.360 next day I go and I buy six five cree 1:57:14.400 --> 1:57:17.040 more because I'm like, I gotta go. I mean, you 1:57:17.240 --> 1:57:21.840 need to go longer. Right, and so again I went 1:57:21.880 --> 1:57:25.000 from like no guns in June and last year and 1:57:25.600 --> 1:57:31.440 to semi and cartridges. I would have been like I 1:57:31.440 --> 1:57:34.000 got a two three and buy a big ballbuster. Man, 1:57:34.040 --> 1:57:37.320 I buy like a three hundred or I know that 1:57:37.320 --> 1:57:40.440 you're gonna choo. He said, how are you guys? Were 1:57:40.440 --> 1:57:42.480 you guys posted up and stands or how are you 1:57:42.560 --> 1:57:45.960 like all hunting together? Um? You know and experienced right? 1:57:46.040 --> 1:57:48.400 So um we were you guys trying to do a 1:57:48.440 --> 1:57:52.200 scroll drive day? No? No, and I sc drive. We 1:57:52.200 --> 1:57:58.400 we we be set up in blinds and so and 1:57:58.400 --> 1:58:00.640 then we had the one buddy who had who had 1:58:01.320 --> 1:58:06.760 a stand tree stand, and we didn't really after the 1:58:06.880 --> 1:58:09.360 few hundred the couple that we saw were like a 1:58:09.360 --> 1:58:11.960 few hundred yards away, we didn't see anything. And then 1:58:12.080 --> 1:58:14.360 and then the season ended and then my brother and 1:58:14.400 --> 1:58:17.720 I did go down to Rochester because they had some 1:58:18.280 --> 1:58:21.760 heavy c W d UM areas down there, so they 1:58:21.800 --> 1:58:23.160 were trying to get out rid of all the year. 1:58:23.200 --> 1:58:25.160 So him and I did go down Rochester a couple 1:58:25.160 --> 1:58:26.880 of days to see if we can find some. But 1:58:26.960 --> 1:58:30.800 we we didn't run across anything. If anything, I I 1:58:30.800 --> 1:58:34.160 spooked probably more dear than I could count. But you're 1:58:34.440 --> 1:58:37.760 this fall, you're going out, Oh yeah, this this this 1:58:37.760 --> 1:58:42.920 fall is is. Um, I'm doing our tree. Um, so 1:58:43.080 --> 1:58:47.200 I've started, you know, shooting bone arrow and then yeah, 1:58:47.240 --> 1:58:51.200 we're we're counting on the days of the rifle season. Yeah. 1:58:51.560 --> 1:58:54.400 So did you did you end that first season just 1:58:54.440 --> 1:58:58.640 like an addict? Uh? Pretty much much Yeah yeah, And 1:58:58.640 --> 1:59:01.680 and um, I was telling you guys, the turkey season 1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:05.840 just ended, and I'm totally hooked. We're totally hooked on. 1:59:06.680 --> 1:59:12.160 We didn't get a turkey. But here's the thing that's awesome, right, 1:59:12.240 --> 1:59:15.560 Like he you know, didn't do any of this. I 1:59:15.560 --> 1:59:17.600 mean that's why I kind of loved this story. Like 1:59:17.680 --> 1:59:20.240 you weren't doing any of this. And I know you've 1:59:20.240 --> 1:59:23.080 told me that, you know, you've gone back to reread 1:59:23.160 --> 1:59:26.879 Mediator articles on the website and gone back to rewatch 1:59:27.240 --> 1:59:31.760 seasons of the Netflix because people think if you didn't 1:59:31.760 --> 1:59:38.840 get anything, no, but I mean, like it's not. You know, 1:59:38.880 --> 1:59:40.520 these are a bunch of guys. They have it in 1:59:40.560 --> 1:59:44.440 their blood and it's probably a reawakening right now. But 1:59:44.520 --> 1:59:46.440 you're just like you keep on getting out there and 1:59:46.440 --> 1:59:49.360 you're trying to like they're teaching themselves and it's like 1:59:50.000 --> 1:59:53.120 Brody took me out last last season. You know, I've 1:59:53.160 --> 1:59:55.920 got everyone in this office to help show me the 1:59:56.040 --> 1:59:59.080 ropes in they're just going out on their own. I 1:59:59.120 --> 2:00:03.240 was telling you, you know, the Turkey season in Minnesota 2:00:03.360 --> 2:00:08.280 is um there's six seasons. So if you do archery, 2:00:08.320 --> 2:00:11.680 you can hunt the entire six weeks or the basically 2:00:11.760 --> 2:00:15.600 middle of April and in May. If you're doing shotgun, 2:00:15.640 --> 2:00:17.480 which was what I was doing, you had to pick one. 2:00:18.440 --> 2:00:21.480 So I picked season two, which is six days. If 2:00:21.480 --> 2:00:24.920 you don't tag, you can actually come back the last week, 2:00:25.120 --> 2:00:28.160 which is actually thirteen days and you can use your 2:00:28.200 --> 2:00:33.560 tag there. So I hunted um six plus essentially I 2:00:33.560 --> 2:00:37.680 think ten eleven days and the last in this the 2:00:37.760 --> 2:00:42.000 last season just just ended. I was going almost every 2:00:42.080 --> 2:00:44.680 day and I did like, um, you know, I get 2:00:44.720 --> 2:00:46.440 up at you know, we were talking about getting their 2:00:46.520 --> 2:00:52.880 damn early. So my buddy and as we get there 2:00:52.880 --> 2:00:56.200 at four because the we we kind of got it 2:00:56.240 --> 2:01:00.800 down to the gobbles will start around five nish and 2:01:00.920 --> 2:01:05.120 five o'clock to shooting light. Um you know, um five 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:10.120 o'clock shooting lights. So around you knew that there was 2:01:10.120 --> 2:01:13.280 gonna be got But we we stumbled onto this like 2:01:13.400 --> 2:01:16.160 field by luck on on its w m A and 2:01:16.520 --> 2:01:19.760 you just knew that the gobbles were gonna be coming 2:01:19.800 --> 2:01:22.960 out of like five. Do you guys running any other 2:01:23.040 --> 2:01:27.080 hunters in there? No, we didn't, And I think there 2:01:28.040 --> 2:01:32.040 because well you know, well we get there at you know, 2:01:32.400 --> 2:01:34.040 i'd wait and you can ask my wife that I 2:01:34.080 --> 2:01:38.720 got up at three thirty, right, got ready drove to 2:01:38.760 --> 2:01:42.720 the spot by four. Um. So the spot, you know 2:01:42.760 --> 2:01:45.240 the field, you had the field and you have the 2:01:45.280 --> 2:01:48.960 parking lot and so, um, well I already have a 2:01:49.000 --> 2:01:51.160 car and then my buddy shows up. There's two cars there. 2:01:51.320 --> 2:01:53.320 And you know, one of one of my rules with 2:01:53.760 --> 2:01:56.200 you know, buddies for safety is that if you drive 2:01:56.240 --> 2:01:59.680 into somewhere and there's one or two cars, just go 2:01:59.800 --> 2:02:02.320 find in a different place. Right, So we were it, 2:02:02.480 --> 2:02:13.720 so we kind of like monopolized, personalized. So yeah, yeah, 2:02:13.840 --> 2:02:17.800 so so I did. So I'd wake up at four, hunt, 2:02:18.600 --> 2:02:21.800 you know, try to try to catch a gobbler until 2:02:21.840 --> 2:02:25.920 like eight, go to work, work all day, and then 2:02:26.040 --> 2:02:30.160 go to tennis. And then after tennis, i'd go you 2:02:30.160 --> 2:02:32.080 know there was you know, there were still light, I'd 2:02:32.280 --> 2:02:34.360 you know, I'd go back to ye And I did 2:02:34.360 --> 2:02:36.680 that for like ten days. Yeah. One of my friend 2:02:36.800 --> 2:02:39.760 Robert and Athy, he likes to get out there. I 2:02:39.800 --> 2:02:43.440 would sleep for an hour just waiting for the birds. 2:02:43.440 --> 2:02:46.400 A gobble. Yeah, I don't much, just sitting out to swamp. 2:02:46.480 --> 2:02:50.440 But I don't know why we're out. We're out here 2:02:50.440 --> 2:02:54.040 basically last night. But it feels like I was telling Korean, 2:02:54.320 --> 2:02:56.760 you know, I have so much more appreciating wildlife. But 2:02:56.840 --> 2:02:59.880 like for crows, you know, because you know, I I 2:03:00.040 --> 2:03:03.440 the crow call with me, but the crows like what 2:03:03.720 --> 2:03:07.760 just shot? Got? Yeah? And I'm like, man, this is 2:03:07.920 --> 2:03:10.480 this is so cool how they work off of each other. 2:03:11.800 --> 2:03:15.120 Do you crim mentioned this earlier, like like an awakening 2:03:15.200 --> 2:03:18.000 or whatever. Do you okay? As you learn to hunt 2:03:18.040 --> 2:03:22.400 in in America, do you feel that you're joining an 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:26.440 American tradition or do you feel like you're joining among tradition. 2:03:28.440 --> 2:03:31.960 I'd have to say it's it's um a little bit 2:03:31.960 --> 2:03:35.240 of both. I think hunting is in my blood and 2:03:35.360 --> 2:03:37.880 you know, when I rode in, it's like I felt 2:03:37.920 --> 2:03:40.400 like it's always been a part of me. But I 2:03:40.520 --> 2:03:46.080 love everything about the American um, the American hunter and 2:03:46.480 --> 2:03:49.960 what we have here. I just needed something to kind 2:03:49.960 --> 2:03:56.320 of like like like uncover that. I felt like, ummic, 2:03:56.560 --> 2:03:59.120 yeah exactly, well yeah, well yeah, I blame a lot 2:03:59.160 --> 2:04:03.920 of stuff on the pandemic and racial tendemic. Yeah, not 2:04:04.080 --> 2:04:07.760 like that to get a guy out hunting, exactly exactly. Um, 2:04:07.800 --> 2:04:09.600 you know, a year ago this time, I didn't own 2:04:09.600 --> 2:04:12.920 a truck, I didn't want a boat. I didn't hunt, 2:04:13.400 --> 2:04:14.960 and I didn't own a camper. And I have all 2:04:15.000 --> 2:04:16.840 those you know, I do all those things now, you 2:04:16.880 --> 2:04:19.320 know a lot of I mean, you're not lone like 2:04:19.600 --> 2:04:22.920 a lot of people. And I rediscovered the outdoors. What 2:04:23.000 --> 2:04:26.480 kind of boat? What kind of boat? You get? Oh? 2:04:26.520 --> 2:04:29.840 I got I got this. Um it's a seventeen foot 2:04:30.400 --> 2:04:32.800 they called like a bowl rider. So it's not like 2:04:32.800 --> 2:04:35.080 a fishing boating thing. It's really so I could pack 2:04:35.080 --> 2:04:36.480 a lot of people in there and we just go 2:04:37.160 --> 2:04:41.200 you know, pleasure boat. Yeah, you find on craigslist. Facebook, 2:04:42.280 --> 2:04:46.800 it was on craigsliste No, but they were they were 2:04:46.840 --> 2:04:49.600 being bought. They were being bought like like crazy. I 2:04:49.600 --> 2:04:52.800 mean I remember looking at this one, um like it 2:04:52.920 --> 2:04:55.640 came on in that minute. I say, I'll take it, 2:04:55.680 --> 2:04:57.240 but I want to see it first, and the guy 2:04:57.320 --> 2:05:00.560 just like sold like you know, but like they were gone. 2:05:00.800 --> 2:05:04.360 You know you mentioned um going on that fishing trip 2:05:04.400 --> 2:05:08.320 with your buddies. Had you always fished like from the 2:05:08.320 --> 2:05:11.680 time you were a kid? Um? Yeah, off and on. Um. 2:05:11.720 --> 2:05:14.080 You know, we take the kids. You know, I have 2:05:14.400 --> 2:05:20.840 three kids, um uh fourteen, ten and six. Oh of 2:05:20.960 --> 2:05:24.800 course my daughter Michaela. My daughter Michaela makes it like 2:05:24.920 --> 2:05:28.400 that one makes wanted to make sure that I said 2:05:28.720 --> 2:05:32.520 to you that she says, hi, yeah, because she's actually 2:05:32.640 --> 2:05:36.320 gonna be probably be my hunting buddy. She got she's 2:05:36.320 --> 2:05:39.840 already got um this a month ago. I bought her, 2:05:40.040 --> 2:05:43.720 um a youth a youth shotgun, and we went out 2:05:43.920 --> 2:05:48.560 once because the range where we live, we lived close 2:05:48.600 --> 2:05:51.200 to a range and it's free youth Tuesdays, and so 2:05:51.360 --> 2:05:53.560 her and I went out. She shot it once, probably 2:05:53.600 --> 2:05:56.240 my fault, but she couldn't take the requestion, Oh dude, 2:05:56.440 --> 2:05:59.160 here there's a trip. You probably know. It's like the 2:05:59.240 --> 2:06:02.200 first time daughter ever shot a turkey load was when 2:06:02.240 --> 2:06:05.440 she's shooting at a turkey, okay, I'd load okay, okay, 2:06:06.280 --> 2:06:11.240 target loads you know, like clay loads, and they just said, oh, 2:06:11.280 --> 2:06:12.640 it's not that bad, it's not that bad. And then 2:06:12.680 --> 2:06:14.680 when they're actually shooting is something they don't know. I 2:06:14.800 --> 2:06:17.600 just had her shoot and we're like, fake. I put 2:06:17.600 --> 2:06:19.480 a red dot on a break open four ten for 2:06:19.560 --> 2:06:23.040 it on turkeys with and we like, you know, sighted 2:06:23.080 --> 2:06:25.600 it in the red dot for on a turkey silhouette. 2:06:25.640 --> 2:06:26.640 And then I was like, oh, let me shoot a 2:06:26.680 --> 2:06:28.600 couple of times, and I put turkey loads in there 2:06:28.760 --> 2:06:32.160 and made sure we were good on the pattern, and 2:06:32.280 --> 2:06:35.200 it never had her shoot one. And as she shot 2:06:35.240 --> 2:06:37.800 at a turkey, never brought it up the fact that 2:06:37.840 --> 2:06:40.520 it's like the recalls like five times. That was that 2:06:40.640 --> 2:06:45.000 was my fault because I should have realized that low brass, 2:06:45.160 --> 2:06:47.560 get some low brass target loads, and she shot it once. 2:06:47.600 --> 2:06:49.120 She was like, Dad, I don't think I can do it. 2:06:49.960 --> 2:06:51.360 I don't think I can do it. This season so 2:06:51.480 --> 2:06:55.880 I'm like, okay, okay, well you know, but so yeah, okay, 2:06:55.960 --> 2:06:57.480 people are gonna want to get up. People are gonna 2:06:57.480 --> 2:06:59.040 want to get ahold of you. A lot of people 2:06:59.040 --> 2:07:00.480 are just gonna want to get ahold of you. It's 2:07:00.520 --> 2:07:02.160 just a thing that happens with when guests come on. 2:07:02.640 --> 2:07:05.000 You can choose to like I don't want to hear 2:07:05.040 --> 2:07:07.160 about it, or you can tell everybody how they might 2:07:07.280 --> 2:07:09.080 drop your line or find you on social media and 2:07:09.080 --> 2:07:10.920 shoot your d M or whatever. You can ignore or not. 2:07:11.840 --> 2:07:14.400 I have a Facebook page and I have an email. 2:07:14.560 --> 2:07:17.240 People want to email me, they can send it to us, 2:07:17.280 --> 2:07:19.840 and we can send it to you. For people, it'll 2:07:19.840 --> 2:07:21.760 go like this to people will be like, people be like, 2:07:21.840 --> 2:07:24.440 he can hurt my place. I'm telling you, man, I'm 2:07:24.480 --> 2:07:27.280 telling you really, because I never get that. You won't 2:07:27.760 --> 2:07:31.040 you get that. But he'll get it. He'll get it 2:07:31.080 --> 2:07:35.320 because his story is touching. Yeah, he's like I was 2:07:35.680 --> 2:07:38.320 born in a very opulent country and had a lot 2:07:38.360 --> 2:07:43.080 of hunting opportunities and grew up hunting, and people like 2:07:43.120 --> 2:07:46.560 screw that guy. Bro's got boats coming out, boats coming 2:07:46.560 --> 2:07:49.960 out of his ears. He's got ye. But yeah, people 2:07:49.960 --> 2:07:51.560 are gonna want yea to hunt it. I'm telling you 2:07:51.600 --> 2:07:54.600 they're gonna let them. They're gonna tell no place, email 2:07:54.720 --> 2:07:57.080 us forward the info. I feel like you should come 2:07:57.080 --> 2:07:59.520 out on turkeys with us next spring though. Um, yeah, 2:07:59.560 --> 2:08:02.280 I you know, i'd love to. I think I'm like 2:08:02.360 --> 2:08:06.360 I said, I think I'm hooked. Um. Um, you know 2:08:07.080 --> 2:08:10.080 hearing that gobble every morning. Um, you know, my buddy 2:08:10.160 --> 2:08:13.240 and your blood. Yeah, it's it's it's addicting that springs. 2:08:13.400 --> 2:08:15.720 That's why I went in like ten days in a row, right, 2:08:15.880 --> 2:08:17.360 you know, you know when you're fishing and you got 2:08:17.440 --> 2:08:19.120 your and you got tension on your line and the 2:08:19.160 --> 2:08:23.240 wind blows and it makes that siren song. Their day. 2:08:23.240 --> 2:08:24.720 I was telling like we were it was a real 2:08:24.760 --> 2:08:28.520 winning you here you know on the wind. And I said, man, 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:31.920 you hear that you'll never be able quit fishing. And 2:08:32.000 --> 2:08:37.960 he said, I hate that, So Steve, maybe we'll need 2:08:38.080 --> 2:08:41.240 you to do a squirrel drive with Yeah, you teach 2:08:41.360 --> 2:08:44.360 us how to do a big, big squirrel drive that's 2:08:44.400 --> 2:08:47.360 so effective. We kill every squirrel Missouri. And I will 2:08:47.440 --> 2:08:50.040 teach you how to Um, we'll teach you how to 2:08:50.080 --> 2:08:51.440 get turkeys. No, I'm serious, man, I'd like to have 2:08:51.480 --> 2:08:52.920 you should come out on turkeys with us. We have 2:08:52.960 --> 2:08:55.360 a good time. I'll take you up on that. I will. 2:08:55.560 --> 2:08:57.040 I will. Or you know what we could do too, 2:08:57.240 --> 2:08:58.960 is because because you're close sand Ways, we'll go hunt 2:08:58.960 --> 2:09:02.960 turkeys at doug Derns. How old your kid, she's tend. 2:09:04.400 --> 2:09:08.360 Here's what we're gonna do. Here's the plan. Do not 2:09:08.640 --> 2:09:13.760 make plans for Wisconsin's youth turkey season. Okay, do you 2:09:13.880 --> 2:09:18.000 understand what I'm saying? Yes, yes, don't tell Doug that 2:09:18.080 --> 2:09:23.600 I invite you were and are neighbors. You know, neighboring stays. 2:09:23.680 --> 2:09:26.720 We love each other. We're gonna hunt my so your 2:09:26.840 --> 2:09:29.640 daughter and my daughter and my boy are gonna because 2:09:29.680 --> 2:09:33.880 Duck's too damn old for the youth season. I'm too 2:09:33.920 --> 2:09:36.800 old for the youth season. We got his place locked 2:09:36.880 --> 2:09:40.480 up for youth season. Locked up. He knows not to 2:09:40.600 --> 2:09:43.560 let anybody hunt for youth season. But your daughter and 2:09:43.640 --> 2:09:45.480 my two kids are gonna hammer it for youth season. 2:09:45.880 --> 2:09:48.960 That sounds great. Yeah, yeah, we'll be there. It won't 2:09:49.000 --> 2:09:52.800 be squirrel season. We'll do a squirrel drive. Yeah. Thank 2:09:52.880 --> 2:09:54.360 you for coming on, man, I appreciate it. Thank you 2:09:54.520 --> 2:09:56.600 very much for having me. Yeah, it was a pleasure. 2:09:56.800 --> 2:09:58.160 It was a good history lesson. Thanks a lot