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Speaker 1: This is Me Eat podcast, Coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything presented by first Light, Go farther, stay longer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're joined today by Yah Yang. Yeah, yes, sir, I

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Speaker 1: love that name, man. Thank you. The kids goof on

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Speaker 1: your name a lot when you were a kid, Yeah Yang, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit, A little bit. I just tell him

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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty Minnesotan. So I got My joke is

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Speaker 1: that when you know, when we came to the country

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Speaker 1: through the immigration, they couldn't pronounce my name and my

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Speaker 1: my name and mung is actually jaque. Yeah, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: put announced it. So whoever was there was just like,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's just let's just do yeah hy a

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Speaker 1: that's my story. I don't know if that's true or not,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not striving for equivalency here, but

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Speaker 1: I'll point out that there was in my family name.

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Speaker 1: Did I talk about this recently? There was a split

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Speaker 1: and how they spelled it the A and the I, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the A and the number of ends and everything, and

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Speaker 1: I I have an article where I think I was

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Speaker 1: talking about this where my dad's uncle hit a cop

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Speaker 1: and in little really like in South side of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Italians and Irish guys didn't like each other. But I said,

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Speaker 1: to me, who's off duty too. Me goes home and

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Speaker 1: I still have the newspaper clipping. Um, and my dad

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Speaker 1: ronella's spelled. So the ronella's who are family members in

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Speaker 1: the articles have different spelled names. Oh, but he's like,

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Speaker 1: but it's the same brothers, you know. I mean it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Um so ja, yes, yeah, you said perfectly there. But

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Speaker 1: when you but you don't do that? Does your family?

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Speaker 1: What does your dad call your mom or dad? My

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Speaker 1: my family caused me. I see, but you just make

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Speaker 1: it easier to everybody else. Yes, yes, I do that.

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Speaker 1: It's like Janis and yeah yeah, um current of course

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Speaker 1: Phil's got a haircut scheduled night. That's right his um,

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Speaker 1: it's getting down in his eyes. He had to do

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Speaker 1: a little head flick. Yeah. Yeah. I was telling you

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Speaker 1: before the podcast that I judge. I judge when I

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Speaker 1: get my hair cut, like the timing of it based

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Speaker 1: and tight. Here in the studio, it's really strict sets here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: tell everybody. You don't need to tell where you went,

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Speaker 1: but tell everybody about your big fishing trip stuff. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't call it big fish. This will interest yeah, this

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Speaker 1: be fish species he's familiar with as a Minnesotan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was fishing body of water um in

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Speaker 1: the spring. Was small mouth in there, but I hit

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Speaker 1: But the soccers were spawning. The water was clear and

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Speaker 1: pack amazing fishery. Walleye fishing was tough at first. Um,

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Speaker 1: hell's that word? It's just a souped up version of old.

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Speaker 1: You make little earrings on it for your wife and stuff.

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Speaker 1: like make an animal part jewelry. You need to catch

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Speaker 1: yourself a big drunk. I think I do. Are these

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Speaker 1: I actually didn't take any pipe place? Do you like?

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Speaker 1: this is the thing, pickled herring or whatever, ye creamed

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Speaker 1: herring or something for Christmas Eastern European. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you got on that. But then he learned how

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Speaker 1: and he would make huge jars of that now and then.

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Speaker 1: it started getting cloudy in there. How do you flay

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Speaker 1: do you do like the five? Like the five flame?

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Speaker 1: through growing up, we would just flame like if flay it,

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Speaker 1: and then every quarter third of an inch or so

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Speaker 1: it's like as John McPhee when John McFee was writing

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Speaker 1: videos on the five finger exploding Heart pipe trick. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that all that. No, they say it's like

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Speaker 1: a dollar bet to Spencer New Heart because we have

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Speaker 1: the tailpiece of a common cart and I said, the

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Speaker 1: bones to the bitter end, but on a pike they

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Speaker 1: peter her out at the dorsal fin. Yeah. Anyhow, um,

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Speaker 1: we're stopped around for a while and we finally find something.

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Speaker 1: My little six year old looks he ghost, he finds

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Speaker 1: cool we wanted, like Nike sneakers. You bring up Adidas.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge soccer fan, played soccer and growing up,

423
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Speaker 1: and I think Adidas is most popular shoe. Is kangaroo

424
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Speaker 1: leather still today? Is it? I wonder if it was

425
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: the Sambas, remember that black and white. It's not Samba's,

426
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: but it's the they call it the Copa moon dials.

427
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: I had a pair, um played in them, you know,

428
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: most most most of it grown up, So you kicked

429
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Speaker 1: some goals and that does that? Does that ball bounce

430
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: off that kangaroo leather? Nice? It's super the leather is

431
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: super soft. So I mean, you know it was more um,

432
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I would say. I played in the midfield, so it

433
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: was one of those like more like passing type of

434
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: shoes I would say. So, yeah, very popular. Adida shoe

435
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: didn't have like psychological ramifications where you felt real spring

436
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: when you puts. I just knew that I needed to

437
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: leather it up like you. You had to buy this

438
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: oil with it like it, keep it to keep it

439
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 1: like whether um waterproof's got a subject matter. Yeah, so

440
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: they sued a Yeah this vegetarian activist groups sued Adidas

441
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: for selling soccer shoes using imported kangaroo skins. Now they're

442
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: trying to revive this whole thing. A bunch of international

443
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: activist groups and a member of the U S House

444
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: of Representatives and an Australian politician who is the loan

445
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: elected representative of the Animal Justice Party. So if you

446
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: want to get yourself some kangaroo chops, stock up on

447
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: them sneakers. A smart thing to do, dude, right now,

448
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: if you're a big Adidas man's buy a bunch of

449
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: those shoes. I did take that money and buy a

450
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: wallet boat and send pictures of that wallet boat to

451
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: Chester and say suck at Chester. I say I was

452
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: able to do with kangaroo shoes what you were never

453
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: able to do with bitcoin. Uh. Here's a great here's

454
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: a great thing. Now. And then a news story comes

455
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: out in a million people, a million people texted to me,

456
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: and a million people texting me this one, that there's

457
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: an article in The Atlantic, um, which is like, oftentimes

458
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: a reasonable publication, I feel, and it's not their fault,

459
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: but someone just published this peace uh arguing that in

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Speaker 1: in the in the Great Saga of wolves being magical,

461
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: magical creatures. And again I'm not hacking up hold that

462
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: like wolves. I like seeing them, hearing them, looking at

463
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: him everything. Uh. But it's like, if you want to

464
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: stop highway vehicle collisions, you need to get yourself a

465
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: bunch of wolves. And it was pointing out that, uh,

466
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: pointing out that in and I gotta look in it

467
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: this more and it's like, there's like the whole issues

468
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Speaker 1: of causation and what's that thing king causation is not Ye,

469
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: there's the same correlation is not equal causation, arguing that

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Speaker 1: in counties in Wisconsin, in counties in Wisconsin that had

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Speaker 1: wolves come in, there is a reduction in highway vehicle

472
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Speaker 1: collisions with deer with deer okay, saying that there wolves

473
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: are saving us so much more money and avoiding car crashes,

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Speaker 1: then they're costing people in livestock death, saying, oh, yeah,

475
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: you wolves and all of a sudden, But see, wolves

476
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: have been around for quite a long time in Wisconsin,

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00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: so it's not like all of a sudden, there's like

478
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: none and then you put some there, and then that's

479
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: where the causation thing comes up, because there's been a

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Speaker 1: reduction in deer car collisions in certain counties that have wolves.

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Speaker 1: And I pointed out to kran I was saying, hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: if you're good at math, we should figure out how

483
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: many deer car collisions that hunters prevent, which is imperfect,

484
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: but it brings up points, so you have just just

485
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: for sake of just set the whole thing up. This

486
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Speaker 1: is an incredible number. Nineteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty

487
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: seven Wisconsin nights collide with deer every years, like many

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Speaker 1: many a night. So let's say twenty thousand deer car

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Speaker 1: collisions in Wisconsin every year equals this will surprised me

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Speaker 1: to how few deaths. That leads to four seventy seven

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Speaker 1: human injuries and only eight deaths and I think six

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Speaker 1: of those are motorcyclists. So you imagine like the percentage

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Speaker 1: of vehicles on the road compared to like you know

494
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like what percentage of highway passengers are

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Speaker 1: in a vehicle versus on a motorcycle, which is like

496
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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly vehicle car um That makes it seem like, uh,

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Speaker 1: I think we could pull those numbers two. But the

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00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: fact that eight, that six of eight fatalities are dudes

499
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Speaker 1: hitting my motorcycles is pretty crazy. That is crazy. It

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Speaker 1: makes you think that, like that's another thing in your

501
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: head when you ride a motorcycle. So if a wolf

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Speaker 1: kills twenty deer per year, wolves and Wisconsin are probably

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Speaker 1: killing about twenty four thousand, two hundred deer year hunters.

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Speaker 1: And they're saying that these wolves can lead to a

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Speaker 1: reduction in deer car collisions. And I brought it to

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Speaker 1: Kroll how many how many deer car collisions to hunters prevent?

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Speaker 1: Because wolves killing Wisconsin about twenty four thousand deer hunters

508
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Speaker 1: kill a night eight thousand. Basically, round up hunters kill

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Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty nine thousand deer in Wisconsin last year.

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Speaker 1: That's a ton of dude. Wisconsin is killed a hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty nine thousand deer. So that would be the real article.

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Speaker 1: I was pointing out. The real article would be holy cow,

513
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: do hunters prevent a lot of death? And then when

514
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: you go hunting, people be like, why are you hunting?

515
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, I mean saving lives, saving American lives.

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00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: In that way, hunters should get a discount or car insurance. Yeah.

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00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: But then Karin was like looking into this more and

518
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: pointed out that pointed out to me that they were

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Speaker 1: saying the effects of wolves on saving human lives on

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Speaker 1: the highway is beyond the deer they actually killed. But

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00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: it says that wolves, unlike people. I don't don't this

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Speaker 1: might don't get Wolves create like a landscape of fear,

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Speaker 1: which we had a podcast episode named Landscape of Fear.

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00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Wolves create a landscape of fear and move deer away

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00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: from heavily trafficked areas. But if you look at a

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Speaker 1: map of where deer car collisions occurred, to occur along

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Speaker 1: the interstate system. So they're sort of saying the wolves

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00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: like to hunt the interstate. Wolves are out on the

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Speaker 1: on the interstate hunting deer and push them away from

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Speaker 1: the interstate into the remote areas where the wolves don't

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Speaker 1: want to go. Kind of maybe. I mean, I think

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00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: it gets complicated. I went down a research hole, so

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Speaker 1: I think we'll have to come back to this. But Steve,

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Speaker 1: your your thought was that UM, that most of the

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Speaker 1: deer car collisions happen in urban areas. Most of them

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Speaker 1: are occurring, and that is absolutely like the leaders Dane

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Speaker 1: County and UM and the top three are I mean,

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00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: Dane is half a million people, uh Waukeisha if that's

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00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: the way the right way to pronounce, about four hundred thousand,

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00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: and then Washington County is a hundred and thirty six

541
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand. And this is all data from nine so

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00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: those are all urban counties and they have about seven

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00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: to eight hundred deer crashes per year from but then

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Speaker 1: number four and there are among the top ten counties,

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Speaker 1: there are three, there are four rural counties UM, but

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Speaker 1: number four with a population of about forty one people.

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00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: Shawano County had seven hundred five deer car collisions. So

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of data points in here that uh,

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00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, kind of poke holes are not poke holes.

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00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: But um, it gets a little complicated here because there

551
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: are some really low population rural areas crash with a

552
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: lot of car crashes. What they're here. Here's the other

553
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: thing is you've got to look at You could look

554
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: at population, but that doesn't attest to highway traffic on

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00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: interstate system. There's a lot too, and I want to

556
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: do but I thought it'd be like when I first

557
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: saw I thought it was the dumbest thing in the world.

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00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: But that I I looked at I was like, oh, there's

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00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: more to it. It can't be like easily. It's not

560
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: easily torn apart. But there's some suggestions there, like the

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00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: idea that wolves push deer from the areas that they

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00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: hunt into areas they don't hunt, and would mean like

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00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: they hunt highway systems, which I don't think that's accurate.

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00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: But the primary point, and we should if they want

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00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: to come out. I love that am. The primary point

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00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: is I feel that they It's one of those kind

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00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: of things you read and you get the sense that

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00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: they knew what they wanted to show before they showed. Oh, definitely,

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00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: there was a point someone from well, what's that school? Wellesleyan,

570
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: Wesleyan at Hillary Clinton School. I don't think so. Maybe

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00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: this list of counties also doesn't say where, like if

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00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: there's wolves, they're not, which seems like, you know, inappropriate.

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00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Here's a direct quote from the she went to Wellesley

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00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: the all women's college. Here's a direct quote from the

575
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: from the person. Most of their influence arises through dread,

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00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: not death. Their very presence creates a landscape of fear.

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00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: Um that sweet that people want dear to be so afraid.

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: They're very presence creates a landscape. It's like people want

579
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: dear to be afraid, creates a landscape of fear, which

580
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: pushes deer away from roads and other heavily prowled areas.

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00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: This makes tremendous sense, Zanette said. Actually Zanette is a

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Speaker 1: I think she's a biologist who was commenting article, but

583
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: wasn't actually the person who uh conducted the study. I mean,

584
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: I think there was a fair amount of doubt or

585
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: just wanting to see causation, wanting to see this study replicated,

586
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: because right now the conclusions are you know, but when

587
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: Creta I talked about this morning, we're talking about it's

588
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: more about um, it's more about sociology within ecology, because

589
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: it's more about like what we want to see. And

590
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: if you have a heavily pro wolf bias, you'll be like,

591
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, acting like you care about highway

592
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: vehicle collisions. What I I mean if this was coming from

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00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: if this article and I don't know enough about the person,

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00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: if the article is coming from someone like let's say

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00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: the government like task someone to be like, what can

596
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: we do about highway uh, you know, vehicle dear collisions? Right,

597
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: And this person is like, wow, we could advanced headlight

598
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: technology right, which we've done a lot of headlight technology

599
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: is very important. UM, better signage and high trafficked areas,

600
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: we could do, wildlife crossings improved, you know, collision sensors,

601
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: all of that collision sensors and increasing the when you

602
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: cut brush away and cut trees away, some motors can

603
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: see more with let's see you have a bigger window

604
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: to see on the sides of the world. Won't be

605
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: coming little tricks and little tricks and stuff like that.

606
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: Some things that really makes sense. So if this person

607
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: had looked at everything. They said, you know what, man,

608
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: the one thing you're missing. After examining, after really getting

609
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: into this, man, after really getting this, I think here's

610
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: the answer. We bring a bunch of wolves to Madison.

611
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: Turn them loose. You'll see, we'll put an end to

612
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: your car crashes. Like then, I'd be like, tell me more,

613
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: but that's not where it's coming from. Ah, we'll return

614
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: to this. You should ask someone I don't know, man,

615
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: maybe someone so much should come on and explain it.

616
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Can you do that? I'll see if I can find

617
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: the the lead researcher. Okay, I want top of one

618
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: last thing. Then we're gonna get a hardcore and oh no,

619
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: two quick last things. There's three. We can skip some

620
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: of the things. Okay, h this is interesting though. So

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00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: a California park ranger, he's out doing his patrols in

622
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: the California's East Bay Municipal Utility District. He's in the

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00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Sierra Nevada foothills, starts noticing all kind of petrified trees

624
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: no one knew about it, Finds a bunch of petrified trees,

625
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: finds a much more petrified trees, and eventually realized this

626
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: like this giant debris pile of stuff from what from

627
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: what year? Eight million years? Eight million year old debris

628
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: pile of trees. And in here they find, once they

629
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: get to digging around, an eight million year old mastodon

630
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: skull with both tossed and tax six foot skulls on

631
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: this thing. A rhino skeleton from back when we had rhinoceroses.

632
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: There's a giant tortoise. There's a horse. There's a tape here,

633
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: here's a good one. The remains of an ancestral four

634
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: h pounds sam with with sharp teeth. Ye don't leave

635
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: that at A sharp tooth salmon, four hundred pounds salmon

636
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: running out of the rivers, running out of the oceans.

637
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: A gompa there, which I didn't know about. It was

638
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: an ancient elephant. They had four tusks plus six hundred

639
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: petrified trees. That is so neat one of the most

640
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: significant fossil discoveries in California history. They suspect floods and

641
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: volcanic debris flows carried all this jump to this spot.

642
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: That is cool, And they won't tell anybody where it

643
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: is because some guy like me, it'd be so hard

644
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: and someone's like, oh, yeah, right up there, man, keep

645
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: finding all this crazy ship that you wouldn't go we

646
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: have a quick look up there. Do we know if

647
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: this was like one event or is it lay years

648
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: of i't I didn't read that much. Yeah. I think

649
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: everything they found there, Um, it's supposed to be a

650
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: from the Miocene, which is twenty million to five point

651
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: three million years ago, so there. I think they were

652
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of layers and stuff scattered across an entire er.

653
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: And it's funny like the ranger found one, uh, petrified tree,

654
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: and then kept walking around and found some others and

655
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: then over I think it was a couple of weeks,

656
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: like kept going, kept sniffing around. Yeah, and then he's like,

657
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think I need to call someone. Yeah.

658
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: That would have been like if I was that ranger,

659
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: they'd be like, what do you see there? Nothing? Your

660
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: next Instagram post there with a wheelbarrow. Your Instagram post

661
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: might have some tusk in the back nothing. Why, Um no,

662
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: that's great. Wouldn't do that, that's great. That that's that's

663
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: a cool fine. You know, I think when you think

664
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: about all the cool animals here a long time ago,

665
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to imagine like we're not gonna be round

666
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: forever like just whatever. I mean when you get to

667
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: talk about geologic time, right, a disease event whatever to help,

668
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: we'll destroy ourselves. Like no species gets to be here

669
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: forever except the cockroach cockroaches. If you could come here

670
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: like fast instead of going back in time, like I'm like,

671
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: I want to go back in time to see all

672
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: that crazy stuff. If you could go in time and

673
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: go back, I'm gonna come back to the Earth in

674
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: a billion years, there'll be a bunch of crazy ship

675
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: running around. Ye. And what do you think we look like?

676
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: Dudes with four tusks. I don't know. I'll be interesting.

677
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: This guy in um, this guy in Idaho, we we

678
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: got to talk about ravens killing livestock and deer and stuff.

679
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: This was reported. I'm surprised what this is reported was

680
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: reported in the hill. Yeah right. And idahole farmer he's

681
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: always had bald eagles nest on his property, says this

682
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: year something weird happened. He thinks that because it was

683
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: such a cool spring that these bald eagles came to nest.

684
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: But the fisher he wasn't kicking ass yet. I don't know.

685
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: He's got a lake or he's got a lake, and

686
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: he said it took a while to warm up, and

687
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: he's wondering if their normal food source and the lake

688
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: wasn't available when they showed up to nest. Anyways, they

689
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: killed fifty four lambs, twelve to eighty pound lambs. He

690
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: watched one kill, he watched one eagle kill seven lambs,

691
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: and one day reported in the hill. Last little note here, Uh,

692
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: hunters in West Virginia are mourning the loss of one

693
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: of their hunt spots. They rolled what's this place called

694
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: New River Gorge National Park. Used to be New River

695
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Gorge whatever preserved preserve. They harked seven thousand acres of

696
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: land out of the core of this thing to make

697
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: a national park. So seven thousand acres in the heart

698
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: of the gorge, which is very rough terrain, local stale

699
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: is some of the area's best hunting grounds. Um, they

700
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: rolled that out. There's still sixty five thousand acres that

701
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: you can hunt. They removed seven thousand and then gave

702
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: a little bonus where they added about three seventy acres

703
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: of newly open hunting lands. But yeah, stole seventh park service.

704
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: I want to say stole a strong language. I just

705
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: hate to see, like, I hate to see that kind

706
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: of thing happened. I mean, if it's already good and

707
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: protected as scenic River Wilderness area, whatever, I hate to

708
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: see it be that they lay in this like you

709
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: can't hunt it, Like I like to see ground protected

710
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: from industrial exploitation and development. But it's a bummer to

711
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: see that to get it pulled. Has anyone ever been

712
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: to that area? And I've been there, Yeah, yeah, I've

713
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: ever got great small mouth fishing. Really yeah, And you

714
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: know it's fairly close to a lot of pretty big

715
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: metropol metropolitan areas, so you know, I'm sure visits at

716
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: this place will be you know that there'll be a

717
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: lot of people going. But yeah, it's a bumber that

718
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: land got because because I believe they're promised that they

719
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: could always part of the previous designation and then they

720
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: changed their tune our newest national park. How how upen

721
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: arms are people about it? But are like locals that hunted, Well,

722
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm not, I mean I can't. I mean I didn't

723
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: live near their enough to know how set people are.

724
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: But you gotta imagine that, you know, you get your hunting,

725
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: your quote, your hunting spot taken away. You're not going

726
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: to be too pleased. You know. When I was living

727
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: New York, we used to float the Upper Delaware near Callicoon,

728
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: and that had gone under Wild and Scenic River designation. Man,

729
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: you saw a lot of signs up and down the river.

730
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: People pissed about it because the regulations, like used regulations change, um,

731
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: And this thing became under as a National river under

732
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: Part Protection in seventy eight, and people were sure, you

733
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: can hunt the entire property, but then it then it

734
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: just lost ten percent prohibited. Yeah. I mean, I'd imagine

735
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: some hunters are really kind of pissed about it, um,

736
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: based on just some of the articles I've read. But

737
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, I guess some of the other locals are

738
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: are uh, you know, excited about potential economic prosperity might

739
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: bring to the area. I mean, it's I guess it'll

740
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: put West Virginia on the map a bit more so.

741
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what your priority is. Oh yeah,

742
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: if you're like a running a canoe livery, you're probably

743
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: sit us all get on all those non outdoors, you know,

744
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: all those non true outdoors folks, bhikers and bikers, hikers

745
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: and bikers are all fired up. Last little thing here

746
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: we'll touch off on because I want to touch off

747
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: and it's just because it's from my home state of Michigan.

748
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: Like there's Galley. I need to know more to the story.

749
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: So what what is written here? Is a in this?

750
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Come on, Krint a massive fish poaching Well, I don't know.

751
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: Look at all those laid out they broke off, you know,

752
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: bags of I need to hear more story. If you

753
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: want to find a good guess, get this guy out.

754
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm guess he doesn't feel like talking about it. But

755
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: Krin's massive fish poaching operations. I don't know what happened

756
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: here on County two guys find eight thousand, five hundred

757
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: dollars combined for quote poaching hundreds of walleye, pan fish

758
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: and perch. My panthers are with bluegills because perch or

759
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: like a panthers either way, bunch fish. This guy's freezer

760
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: got raided and then a game ward. And this is

761
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: a weird thing. Just a lot too do I don't

762
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: understand they thought out all the guys fish and then

763
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: they laid it out and laid it out on tarps.

764
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: He as if it were like bricks of cocaine and

765
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: like as though like in classic drug raid fashion, laid

766
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: out hundreds of perch filets. Yeah, like a cocaine like

767
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: when you line up with a bunch of a ks

768
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: and bags of dope and stuff from some like cartel raid.

769
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: Perch filet's hundreds of perch flays laid out on giant

770
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: tarps and in all of his empty ziplock baggies. So

771
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: his freezer got raided and conservation officer found eighty five

772
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: bags of frozen walleye quote panfish. I'm not happy with

773
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: that term, and perch place in his house. The guy

774
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: was ordered to pay seven thousand, nine thirty bucks where

775
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: the fines and his friend was fine six hundred for

776
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: taking over the limited percha taking over the limited purchase

777
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: one thing. But the reason I need to know more is, like,

778
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: was this dude, I don't know, Maybe that they were

779
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 1: on doing for something else and that led to this.

780
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people I know in

781
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: Michigan that if at the end of a good fishing

782
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: spell you went to their house and started throwing all

783
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: their ship out, you'd find they had over their possession limit.

784
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: What is including my old man back when he was alive,

785
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: and even with following possession limit rules, if you've got

786
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: say four or five people in your household, you can

787
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of damn perch in your freezer. Okay,

788
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: let's say you're in because it varies because like the

789
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: big leg, two different Let's say youre an area. Just

790
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: for argument's sake, here, let's say where he's at, he's

791
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of fifty perch per day, and the possession

792
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: limit is two daily limits, so he can have in

793
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: his home freezer two perch flays. But let's say you like,

794
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm just no one thinks about it. If you're tearing

795
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: it up and you're like, I'm gonna have a big

796
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: fish for I don't know, and you catch five six

797
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: limits of perch because you're saving up for a big

798
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: church fundraiser fish fry. He hasn't gotten on their radar Somewhere.

799
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: No one's thinking about it after they go in the freezer.

800
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: Like there, he's probably you know, I think about it

801
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: with ducks. He's probably yeah, because that's federal like crazy,

802
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: but someone must not maybe not, but I imagine he's

803
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: like following like the daily limit. Well, they're saying this

804
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: one guy got not. But here's there thing is, what

805
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: are they gonna do with all those perch flays now

806
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: they've got them thought out? Beat him into the bald eagles.

807
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: Holy cow, I know eighty five bags of perch plays

808
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: and they're nice scaled skin on, well put up. They

809
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: took care It's not like they just caught him and

810
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: didn't take care of him, like they took care of

811
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: this this dude was. I don't know if he's selling

812
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: them like what we found in the past and talking

813
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: to conservation guys game wards and I'm not I'm not

814
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: hacking on this game ward. I don't know the story,

815
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: but a lot of times like that stuff comes out

816
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: of that they're onto you about something, like you've done something,

817
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: they're onto you about it, and that leads it's neither

818
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: just like going and banging on doors and digging through freeze.

819
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: It's got to be something because yeah, I'm sure they

820
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: weren't like hey, stuff stopping in see what this guys

821
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: in this freezer, like something happened. Maybe so here's another

822
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: article and I it doesn't point out kind of like

823
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: the backstory. But the main guy with you know, those

824
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: bags Ziplock freezer bags. Um, okay, that's why I get

825
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: a barrel of corn meal and just started put in

826
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: a put in a fertilizer spreader. Just drive that over

827
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: that big sheet drama hot oil. Thirty five, Wally, the

828
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: daily limit is eight in what is freezer? Yeah, among

829
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: the you know within the five taken that day, eighty

830
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: five bags taking that day thirty five, Wally, the daily

831
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: limit is eight, and anglers may possess an additional two

832
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: days limit of walley as long as their process with

833
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: a total possession limit of that's a lot of Wally.

834
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: You're allowed to have a lot of wall in your freezer. Uh.

835
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: Two hundred and forty five. Pan fish, the daily limit

836
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: is you saw about bluegills there, Okay, like blue It's

837
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: like it'd be like bluegill pumpkin seed, you know, with

838
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: a total possession limit of seventy five, and he was

839
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: over uh by three hundred and in D three additional perch,

840
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: the daily limit is twenty five, and you can possess

841
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: an additional two days limit as long as they're processed

842
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: with a total possession limit of seventy five. I just

843
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: like we're talking about a lot of things here that

844
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: we don't really know about. But my here, here's I

845
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: just want to explain this. My instinct when I see

846
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: all those perch plays is like I've known this guy

847
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: all my life. I mean, maybe it's part of a

848
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: sting operation, like dozens of your extended friends and families.

849
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: My yeah, it's like my old man and the old

850
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: man he hung out with. Like I'm just I feel

851
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: like I'm staring into the freezer. Okay, folks are sixty

852
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: eight and I gotta I gotta scroll. I gotta scroll. Okay,

853
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: they might have had a side hustle going on selling

854
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: these things. Do you remember that big sting we reported on?

855
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: It was like we report us a long time ago. Yeah,

856
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: hang tight, dude, Okay, we reported on this long time ago.

857
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: It was a big sting operation. Even had a name

858
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: like like north Star and you read this as a

859
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: poaching ring and you read the all the charges on

860
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: these guys like racketeering, wire fraud. But it was and

861
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm not excusing it, but I had these names where

862
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: you look and you think like, oh, it's the mafia,

863
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: like they broke up a mafia organization because racketeering and

864
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: wire fraud. But the wire fraud was like you had

865
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: to do a call in to register your dear. So

866
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: a dude choose too dear, has his girlfriend uh claim

867
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: one on her tag, so she calls in to report

868
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: to to report the deer to the deer Harvest hotline.

869
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: That's wire fraud, right, racketeering would be a guy goes

870
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: to he brings a buck down to his taxidermist to

871
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: get it stuffed and pays the taxi and Smokey's smoking

872
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: like snack sticks I'm not joking, pays the tax of

873
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: derbys and snack sticks. And then they had a deal

874
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: worked out where they got like reduced tax to dermy too,

875
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: then get extra snack sticks. And they had some guy

876
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: who had a gift shop and he's selling snacks sticks

877
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: that made off their deer Smokey's. And then another guy

878
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: here's there, here's their thing in this big roll up.

879
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: There's a there's a another fraud. There's a there's a

880
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: Walleye derby. A guy goes ahead of the derby and

881
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: goes and catches wall in a different state. Okay, puts

882
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: them in his his live well and drives over and

883
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: signs up for the derby at a gas station like

884
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: the gas stations, hold the Walleye Derby and wins the

885
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: prize with Wallye. He caught in another state and had

886
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: him in his live well, and it winds up being

887
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: like this like interstate fraud thing. So on paper, it's like,

888
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: holy ship, what were these guys doing? And you look

889
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: at just doing a bunch of like he'll billy bullshit,

890
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: like a bunch of things you would probably would't like

891
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot of guys wouldn't think about. You know, you're like, oh, yeah,

892
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: I want your Hunter bucks. Let me bring you some Smoky's.

893
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, all right, yeah, how do you want

894
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: to start mong your Mong? Yes? Sure? H m O

895
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: n G. Let's start from the beginning. Who are who

896
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: are the mom? So where you're from? First? I'm I'm

897
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities Minneapolis area. Um, I live in Blaine,

898
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: which is um City right side right outside of Minneapolis.

899
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: And your Hunter newly Hunter yeah? Yeah? And your mom yes?

900
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: And you were born in I was born in laos Okay.

901
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: Walk us through who the monk were and how how so?

902
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: The Mong are an ethnic minority group originally from the

903
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: southern parts of China, and they at some point we're

904
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: fighting with the Chinese because the Chinese wanted them to

905
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: basically become Chinese, and a lot of the Moong were like, no,

906
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: where there are a nomadic tribe, they have their own language,

907
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: they have their own religion. We did not want to

908
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: be Chinese. And so they were driven south into the

909
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: Southeast Asian area, so Vietnam, uh, Laos, Cambodia, and that's

910
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: where if you as a person here in the US,

911
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: if you meet among person there from Southeast Asia essentially,

912
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of us have the same story as

913
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: we were here because um of our involvement in the

914
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, more specifically the Secret War in Laos, what

915
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: I have probably the same level of exposure. Um. Two

916
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: Mong culture is a lot of people that hunt where I.

917
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: It's like, I just know I have always known very

918
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: loosely that there's a lot of Moong in the US.

919
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: Kind of had something to do with the Vietnam War,

920
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: and you like to hunt a lot, and that's about it. Yeah,

921
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: so uh, but breakdown, like how how the monk got

922
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: tangled up with the with the US, Like how they

923
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: became on the U S radar. Yeah, so back in

924
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: the fifties, and sixties when UM it was, it was

925
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: around the spread of communism UM in in that area.

926
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: So the the idea was we had to stop the

927
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: spread of communism UM in that region. So you had

928
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: UM North VIETM Vietnam, which UM was then UM UH

929
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: trying to take over the country. You have the communist forces.

930
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to talk about one particular group,

931
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: but it was it was around the essentially stopping communism.

932
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: And so the reason why it's called the secret War

933
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: in Laos is like the you know, the US, we're

934
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: not supposed to be be there, and they were there

935
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: to be advisors UM in that region to use and

936
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: UM advise the like the local governments there to fight

937
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: against the spread of communism because didn't UM like portions

938
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: of the Chiman Chiman Trail came through Laos, right, Yeah,

939
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: basically most of it did. It was That's what's essentially

940
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: what it was. It was a supply line and it

941
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: occupied the eastern parts of Laos. My former neighbor at

942
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: our Fishack in Alaska was a door gunner on a

943
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: helicopter Vietnam and he now talks about it freely, but

944
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: for a long time to not he's he's he's spent

945
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: his entire tour based in Vietnam. But he said all

946
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: their stuff was in Laos, dropping people off, picking them up,

947
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: hitting hitting transportation lines all in Laus. Yeah, and and

948
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: early in in in nine early sixties. It was they

949
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: got the the authorization from at that time in GfK,

950
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: who said, yes, look into working with some of the

951
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: ethnic minority group in that area to help with like

952
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: stopping the spread and really where among people came in,

953
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: where they knew the terrain among people throughout history have Um,

954
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: they were actually fighting even before the Vietnam War. They actually,

955
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: oddly enough, they were fighting with the French, because you've

956
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: been Vietnam and I don't know if you remember the

957
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: kind of like the French colonization the influenced the influence there,

958
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: and um, oddly enough, they'd always been fighting for their freedom. Um.

959
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: If if if you look at some of the some

960
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: of the his the publications, they they've always wanted to

961
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of be left alone. We we want to be

962
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: our own people, and we were we were fighting against

963
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: evil forces. Is kind of like what they would say

964
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: is in their mind, the outside communist influence was more

965
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: of a threat to them than anything else correct, So

966
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: they're auto correct, right. So that's how they got involved,

967
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: and they were essentially used to because they could just

968
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: get places quicker, right you know. Um. The only thing

969
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: that they didn't have were they didn't have firearms. Um

970
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, which which um eventually came from working with

971
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: the CIA. What are the moons traditionally hunt with? They

972
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: have like these crossbows, so it's like a wooden stock

973
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: and then um, like the cross would be um like uh,

974
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: it could be would or it was like it could

975
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: be bamboo. Um. And then they use for the strings.

976
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: They for for the strings, they use um like a

977
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: material called hemp. I don't think you guys heard of that,

978
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: but it's like a fabric um and they use hamp

979
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: and like hemp, they use it for like clothing as well,

980
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: and so you know that thing doesn't shoot really far

981
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: right and so um it was like mostly for small

982
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: game birds. My dad's so my grandfather owned one. If

983
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: you had a blacksmith um in the village who could

984
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: like forge parts, um, you built your own flint stock.

985
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: I know you guys had an episode about flint stock

986
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: up a while ago, and right, um, you know you

987
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: it would be mad at the wood and then you

988
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: had they had had different parts and then they cooked

989
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: up their own ammunition. And I learned this recently too,

990
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: is they went and got that done from the caves

991
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: and use that to like reduce it to some liquid

992
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: and then cooked it up with hamp as well. And

993
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: my dad said, he doesn't know like the exact process gunpowder. Yeah,

994
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: we've talked about here. We talked about the process about

995
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: which Boone and other frontiers mean would make and they

996
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: would say thing they'd go to caves for the guano

997
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: and then somehow they would use uh, you had to

998
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: have Yeah, they'd get saltpeter um ash. It took a

999
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: willow ash your own piss. They went the thing down

1000
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: with piss and then they used um saltpeter baguano. I

1001
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: can't remember. Anyways, it seems like a way to wind

1002
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: up with a product that wasn't entirely consistent. And I knew.

1003
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: I knew that because we we had a very um

1004
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: prominent member in our clan who recently passed away, and

1005
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: I had learned that he had been badly burned because

1006
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: he was cooking up his own and then w uh

1007
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: we recently covered a story or discussed the story in

1008
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: Taiwan where the Taiwanese government is passing anti hunting regulations

1009
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: that are impacting indigenous Taiwanese. You talking about the indigenous

1010
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: taiwan He's still there hunting with homemade guns, and they

1011
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: want to switch to modern guns, and people don't want

1012
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: them to switch to modern guns. And they're pointing out

1013
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: the danger, the danger to them of hunting with homemade firearms.

1014
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: They want to have something safer, but they don't want

1015
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: they're they're afraid of the efficacy that would come from

1016
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: and so there's a desire to keep them hunting with

1017
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: with homemade weapons. But then the Americans give them like yeah,

1018
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: m my, my dad said his first his first gun

1019
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: was an M one car being so thirty is like

1020
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: a thirty cow um um. You know. I recently I

1021
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: just kind of really gotten into hunting, and so, you know,

1022
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: again I'm going back and kind of just learning about

1023
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: the first guns that they came They came across what

1024
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: you was your dad born fifty two? So was he

1025
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: did he does he have recollection like of the moon

1026
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: getting tangled up with the Americans? Yeah? Yeah? And and

1027
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: actually fast forward a little bit, the kind of like

1028
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: Montana connection and all this. It was a there was

1029
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: smoke jumper by name of Jerry Daniels right out of here,

1030
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: out of Missoula. I think he was born in California

1031
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: but lived in Missoula. That's why there's among people in

1032
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: Missoula farming and there's a community there. Fast forward battle

1033
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: bit and my dad was telling me the story that

1034
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: to come to America. Um, and this Jerry Daniels, Um

1035
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: guy was worked really closely with the moong and he

1036
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: was a guy that validated my dad's picture. Yes, you

1037
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: were in fact a soldier and you know because it

1038
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: was because he was a Special Forces soldier. Well yeah, so, um,

1039
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: what everybody was? I mean the guy that the guy,

1040
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: the guy that was instrumental in bringing to the you

1041
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: know when I lived in Missoula, for I lived there

1042
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: for quite a few years. Um, the farmers market there

1043
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: is just dominated by among truck farmers. You know. May

1044
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: day I was with my buddy, I was with my

1045
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: buddy Clay, and I was showing them around there and

1046
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: they still have like out in certain areas of Missoula

1047
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: irrigation diversions and stuff. And he sort of like semi

1048
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: urban suburban farms and where the traditional hats my my

1049
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: neighbor turns out um being Shang are from Missoula. His

1050
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: name b B and Shana there. Um they lived in

1051
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: Missoula pretty much most of their lives and they just

1052
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: moved into our neighborhood and we moved into the neighborhood

1053
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: at the same time. We we live in the kind

1054
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: of newer development. And um, we saw them at like

1055
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: our kids schools, and you know, you know, you can

1056
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: just kind of tell their mom, right, so you just say, hey,

1057
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: how's you going. Yeah, And so if you're a Mong

1058
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: dude and you see a mom dude you don't know,

1059
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: at a non Mong function, you just go high like

1060
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: talk like playing dinner or you just talk. You just wave, Uh,

1061
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not it's cool. That's cool to go

1062
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: up there and say, hey, you know, you know you're

1063
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: I am among how you doing? You know, like you're

1064
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: just curious with that's how you do it? Yeah, okay,

1065
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: so let's let me I'll get this straight. Let's say

1066
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: you come in and let's say, fills mom, you've never

1067
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: seen him, never heard of him. You walk in this

1068
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 1: room and fils. Mom. Yeah, you say, are you mom? Yeah,

1069
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: I would, I would because you can kind of just

1070
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: not like it would be like a knowing nod. I mean,

1071
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: it's like to just ask him what if he's not well.

1072
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean I actually saw a family um on my

1073
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: flight here yesterday in Minneapolis, and they were like they

1074
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: were sitting there and you had a feeling, Yeah, why

1075
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: you knew because then they were you know, so I

1076
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, how are you guys doing? And

1077
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, you know what, why are you

1078
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: going to mind Town. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm just

1079
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna go meet some friends, you know. So yeah, I

1080
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: mean they were just so you felt obligated to go chat.

1081
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, yeah right, that's cool. Yeah. Uh, Okay,

1082
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: I want to get back to Asia for a minute.

1083
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 1: Your famous, But then I want to we gotta move

1084
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: into um stereotypes about mong hunters, Okay, and I'll tell

1085
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: you whole bunch of them. Okay, the in hunting Land,

1086
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: in hunting World, there's two groups that everyone knows they're

1087
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: just the worst on the planet. They're so everything everybody

1088
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: in bottoms it's uh, the Amish and the month Are.

1089
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, they look like US, but they like to hunt,

1090
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: which makes me not like them. Um, you hear about

1091
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: so I want to fast for a little bit. Through

1092
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War, so Americans started to pull out, and

1093
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: you guys got a big old bulls on your back

1094
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: because we abandoned it. And people are like, it's those

1095
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: like they're after you now right, I mean the Communists

1096
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: come down hard exactly, yes, and lay out kind of

1097
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: like with your own family. Here's you what that one

1098
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: up looking like for you guys when the Americans left? Yeah,

1099
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: so I was telling corindus. You know, in in the US,

1100
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: in some states they recognized like May fourteenth, that's among

1101
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: American Day, and that was like the last day that

1102
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: essentially all the key advisors and some of the key

1103
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: mong military personnel were evacuated out of Laos what year

1104
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 1: and so even even before and in nineteen seventy three,

1105
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: they had already signed a ceasefire in Paris. So when

1106
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: they signed that ceasefire, it essentially turned Laos into a

1107
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: civil war country because you had the group or the

1108
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 1: military that's um I think supports the royal family, which

1109
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, Laos was a monarchy at some point, and

1110
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: then you had the group that is supported by the communists,

1111
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: So essentially they're still fighting to take over the country

1112
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: at that point, and so everybody leaves, um and um

1113
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: essentially to your point, among people have a bull's eye

1114
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: on there, you know, on them. And my family, between

1115
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five and nineteen seventy nine, we're essentially in

1116
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: the jungles of Laos, hiding, trying to go places where

1117
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: you may, where you can find relatives, family, um, food

1118
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: if you will, And there was still kind of groups

1119
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: that were hoping that those who were airlifted out would

1120
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: come back and take back the country is kind of

1121
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: what they say, right, So for four years my family

1122
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: were we're basically just running around in the jungle if

1123
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: you if you will, just like in hiding, living off

1124
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: the land, trying to avoid communists exactly exactly. Um. I

1125
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: get credit for being the oldest in our family, um,

1126
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: but actually, like I lost two siblings in that time

1127
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, to tell how that happened, I had

1128
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: a six year old brother. And the way that it

1129
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: was explained to me was, um, again, they're walking you know. Uh,

1130
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: in this particular instance, they're walking through the night and

1131
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: they had come under heavy fire, and we we had

1132
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: some relatives with us. My mom takes him he's six,

1133
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,879
Speaker 1: gives him to a relative who is a gentleman because

1134
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: he can actually carry him, right, And my mom had me,

1135
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: and then my mom had Grandma, and so she gives

1136
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: him to our relative and they make a dash for

1137
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: form the other side of this road. From from my understanding, well,

1138
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: my mom and I make it across with other people,

1139
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: and as this relative and my brother are coming through,

1140
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: he says that he thinks my brother gets gets shot.

1141
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: So when you when you carry somebody on your back

1142
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: like like a child, they probably have some sort of tension.

1143
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: They have a grip on you sort of right. Well,

1144
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: he says that. Um. He claims that as they were

1145
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: running through and they came under heavy fire, Um, at

1146
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: some point my brother let go. And so at that point,

1147
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: he said that he made the decision to essentially leave

1148
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: my brother where he was and kept running. So they

1149
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: get to the other side, and you know, my mom's like, hey,

1150
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: you know where is you know, where's my brother? What

1151
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: was your brother's name? Tongue, And so our relatively goes, well,

1152
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's been shot. Um, I left him in

1153
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: that general area. So my mom gives herself up. It's like, hey,

1154
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, my mom's like, I'm a woman. They're not

1155
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna do anything to me. They don't care. I'm just

1156
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna give myself up. I'm gonna go trying to find,

1157
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, my brother. She gives herself up. She's captured.

1158
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: She comes around and first she says, she calls for him,

1159
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: and no answer, right, and she's like, well, maybe he

1160
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: really is is gone, because he would have answered at

1161
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: that point. Um. The other thing was she's like, I'm calling.

1162
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm calling to ask if anybody knows if it perhaps

1163
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: maybe he's next to next to somebody who's still alive.

1164
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: If you would share, like where you were. Well, people

1165
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: don't want to give himself up, right because if you

1166
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: give yourself up, you know, then there's a chance you

1167
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: die as well. Right, So there's that. So that's how

1168
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: I lost my older brother. No resolution though, no resolution,

1169
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: no idea where he's buried, no idea, yep, exactly. And

1170
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: then you lost a sister. I lost a sister in

1171
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: the same time period, in the same time period, and

1172
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: so my my my sister was lost in kind of

1173
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: this weird situation where they again they were, um, you know,

1174
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: and it's related to hunting. You know. They get to

1175
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: this village and you know there's like they just they're starving,

1176
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: right and you're you're running around, Um, you're hiding and

1177
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: you don't really have much to eat and so um.

1178
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: The story is, my dad goes and traps this squirrel

1179
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: looking animal and he can't find the like the English

1180
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: equivalent or the American equivalent of it. I was able

1181
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: to find some YouTube, so I'll send it to you guys,

1182
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: if you guys are interested. But he's he finds this

1183
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: this type of squirrel. It like it burrows itself into

1184
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: next to chee stumps into the ground, you know. And

1185
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: when I was in Vietnam, I was with a guy

1186
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: that had killed at about that in your book. Yeah,

1187
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: he had killed a squirrel like creature. There was some

1188
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: kind of like I think it was like an arboreal

1189
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: marsupial of some sort. But it looks like it look

1190
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,879
Speaker 1: a lot like a squirrel and you killed it. Uh.

1191
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: He was showing me the tree where he got it, right. Yeah,

1192
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: maybe it was like I had never seen one in

1193
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: my life. I wish i'd I didn't see until he'd

1194
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: already burned the hair off it, but it was it

1195
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: was the equipment would be like a you know, like

1196
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: a squirrel sized. So the story is that he goes

1197
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: and gets traps one of those. They come back and

1198
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: they cook it, and she somehow got sick from that

1199
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: and like passed within um, like a half a day

1200
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: or something. So again I get credit for being the oldest,

1201
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: but I you know, I lost two siblings, um, and

1202
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: then essentially they were and you were alive at that point,

1203
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: just very little. Yeah, I mean you were months months old,

1204
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: months old? How much were the month pissed at the

1205
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: Americans for leaving? Um? I wouldn't say that, No, No,

1206
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: I mean I think from everybody that I've talked to,

1207
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: if anything, I think among people have more resentment against

1208
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: the monk who left, um, if anything, but more resentment

1209
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: against the monk who left earlier, who left like who

1210
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: left who left the country in general? Right, so they'd

1211
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: have resentment against Europe Oh yeah, yeah for splitting, for splitting. Yeah,

1212
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 1: Like I'll be honest, I Laos probably isn't the first

1213
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: place I traveled to. You song, and laws would regard

1214
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: you guys as like traders. Yeah, you can say that, Yeah,

1215
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: I would, I would agree with that saying yeah exactly. Um,

1216
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: Like as a young person, I don't know the Laotian language.

1217
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: If I knew the language, I probably think about, hey,

1218
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: m one of my mom was it it's it's pretty country. Um.

1219
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: But like my wife and I don't think we have

1220
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: like louses in our you know, like the first place

1221
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: we'd visit, simply because I think they would have more

1222
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: resentment against like me versus Americans. There are people who

1223
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: didn't make it to refugee camps, who didn't make it

1224
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: out of the country eventually, and they kind of stayed

1225
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 1: behind and are still in the jungle all these years later,

1226
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: like living still, I'm still being you know, in essential,

1227
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: like like persecuted by by people there. It's funny because

1228
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: you hear um, I should say it's funny, But you're

1229
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: so often here in terms in relation to in China

1230
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: and recently in the race relation to Taiwan, other places

1231
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: where you hear about persecution of ethnic minorities, and it's

1232
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for Americans to get like that

1233
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of like geo political sense to understand that even

1234
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: in those places you had like indigenous people's right who

1235
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: had these distinct cultures and so that the same way

1236
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: you might have the sense of like like you might

1237
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: have this sense of in America, you have this r

1238
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: ro American culture. We all know it. Well if this

1239
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: Euro American culture that collaborated with ward with indigenous peoples

1240
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,520
Speaker 1: and there's still like an indigenous you know, autonomy in places.

1241
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: But this is something that happens all around the world,

1242
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: like displaced indigenous individuals that in some way live you know,

1243
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: oftentimes especially there live much closer to the land than

1244
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: in our places. Are that ethnic minorities did not attain

1245
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: their own nation states, like the majority of China is

1246
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: Han Chinese. There are many many ethnic groups that just

1247
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: didn't get their own country that they're in power and

1248
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: specific to the Mong, it was really because as an

1249
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: ethnic minority, we occupied you know, in our case like Laos,

1250
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: the hillsides of Laos. You know, I mean, I think

1251
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: this happens everywhere too. Is like you just don't like,

1252
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, ethnic minorities occupying that don't have a country

1253
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: occupying like your land. You know, so walk through how

1254
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: you what was the process but which you guys ended

1255
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: up in the US, and then why did you, why

1256
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: do somebody go to Minnesota? Um? Yeah, I get asked

1257
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: that all the time, you know, like it's that you

1258
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: guys like the cold or something. Yeah. Well, I mean

1259
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: if you think about it, if we occupy the hillsides,

1260
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, the hill the altitude would higher, so we're

1261
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: you could say, we're used to the cold. The reason

1262
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: why we ended up in Minnesota was it was purely

1263
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: by chance. Um. So if you again, if you meet

1264
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: among persons here in the US, their story is fairly similar.

1265
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: You gotta target on you. When you know everybody pulls out.

1266
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: You essentially had to make your way to one of

1267
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: these refugee camps, the biggest one being in in Thailand.

1268
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: So also you have to get out of the country.

1269
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: You had to. You got to get on the country

1270
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: on foot through the jungles, you know, whatever it is

1271
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: that you took the men. Um. I get told this

1272
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: story all the time. The the you know, when people

1273
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: started pulling out, the men would like go and buy

1274
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: tubes for themselves, like like you know, inner tubes, you

1275
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you know, and crossing river, crossing

1276
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: the river, for crossing the maykong Um because they knew

1277
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: that at some point they would come to the river

1278
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: and they would need to cross it. And so you know,

1279
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: my parents get like separated. They get back together, to

1280
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: get separated through various reasons. Well they make it to

1281
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: the river together, thankfully, you know. And some people didn't

1282
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: make it to the river together. They were like separated

1283
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: the whole time, had to meet up back in Thailand.

1284
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: The mek F is the border between Laos and Yes

1285
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: and then flows into Vietnam. Yeah, so if you cross

1286
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: the river, you like you make it to Thailand. Essentially, Um,

1287
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: they gets it the river. My dad puts you know,

1288
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: my dad can't swim, puts in the tube. And but

1289
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: the way my mom explains it is like she basically

1290
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna drown because can't swim. Only has

1291
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: only has a tube because they're up in the mountains. Yeah,

1292
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: because the mountains. I mean I think they fish. But

1293
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: I mean there's really not from my understand there's not

1294
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 1: really not places for you go to like the swim

1295
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: or learn how to swim. I had a friend who

1296
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: grew up on a ranch at nine thousand feet in Wyoming,

1297
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: and she says nothing of us not Yeah, says nothing

1298
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: to slim and it's cold, so um so, yeah, he

1299
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: tosses in turns. I mean my my mom said that

1300
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: he's he's gone there. I mean there's you know a

1301
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: lot of people died a crossing that river for some reason.

1302
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: He makes it across, and you know the way he

1303
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: explains it, but what about the kids, Well, the kids

1304
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: stayed on the other side. I mean, you you The

1305
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: idea was, if he makes it across, he can maybe

1306
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: find tie officials or that can then come and just

1307
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: send one person across the exactly come back with the

1308
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: boat or whatever. Yeah, and so he goes by himself himself,

1309
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: not with your mom, No, not not with not with

1310
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: my mom, my grandma and whoever else, Um, my aunt.

1311
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: There's this whole slew of people there and you guys

1312
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 1: just like living off the land at this point. Yeah, exactly.

1313
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: And I'll get to this. But he he tosses and turns,

1314
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: gets across, and he like sits down to rest. And

1315
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: he the way he describes it is, this thing comes

1316
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: out of the water and he thinks it's like some

1317
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, young people believe in like like water dragons

1318
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: or something something like that, right, like mystical like some

1319
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: mystical animal. Right, He's like, this thing comes out of

1320
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: the water. I'm like, he's like, I'm done for It's

1321
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: like it's it's probably some you know animal that's like

1322
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: coming to eat me, right, I guess, I guess it

1323
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: creates a wave or something. What turns out that it

1324
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: was a tie boat that saw him cross and came

1325
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: to get him, and a boat. Yeah, so he was

1326
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of tripping from yeah. Yeah, he was in rough shape. Yeah,

1327
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: he was. He didn't know what it was from his description,

1328
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: he thought it was some my dragon is like, oh boy,

1329
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: this is it, you know, this is it. I crossed

1330
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: the herver and this is it. Turns out it was UM,

1331
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: like two tie officials with their boat, and so they

1332
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: go they grab him, go to the other side and

1333
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: grab the rest of the family and and and berry

1334
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: them across. So that's how we make the Thailand. So

1335
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: there has been tension between Thailand and Laos well UM

1336
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: at that point because they're helping, they're like taking in

1337
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: and assisting in the escape of of people that they're

1338
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: trying to catch. Well at that point in kind of

1339
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: the history of this UM, you know, I think even

1340
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: the US government coined it, like the Domino theory, you know,

1341
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: could they They're like, basically, if one of these countries fall,

1342
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: the rest in that region is going to fall. And

1343
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: so um, at that point, you know, Thailand wasn't at

1344
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 1: war or didn't didn't have any idea. So um, and

1345
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: I get through what are political treaties that they had

1346
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: at that time, I supposed, you know, the Tie camp

1347
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 1: was the big refugee camp that everybody had to get to, right,

1348
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: So they go to the refugee camp and essentially he

1349
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: goes and meets up with his commanding officer. By chance,

1350
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: four days later, the guy, the guy that he served

1351
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: it with the commanding officer, I had heard that my

1352
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: dad was still in Louse, essentially running right, hiding running,

1353
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: and uh, four days after getting to the Regge refugee camp,

1354
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: he goes into the room the commanding officers there and

1355
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: the gentleman I mentioned earlier from Missoula, Jerry Daniels, is

1356
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: in the room. He says that, well, I knew who

1357
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: Jerry was, and um, you know, Jerry was one of

1358
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: those guys. He was like an advisor, but he was

1359
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: a guy who was like train everybody and guns or

1360
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: taught people, you know, like the type of guns. Like

1361
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: he would come and say, hey, you know what this

1362
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: M one is? You know what this M sixteen is?

1363
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: You know do you know these things? Um? He goes

1364
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: into the room, and by this time my dad was

1365
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: um the way he described it, he was so thin.

1366
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: Then neither of those guys recognized who my dad was,

1367
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: and they say, hey, what are you guys doing in here?

1368
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: And he, you know, my dad goes, my dad's name

1369
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: is Dua. So my dad goes, you know, I'm Dulah

1370
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: and I served under you, and like basically they have

1371
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: this big group hug right, and I think there was

1372
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: just like hey, we you know, we thought you were

1373
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: you were gone or you were still running around. Um,

1374
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: and so I know, I just arrived four days four

1375
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: days earlier. So essentially the journey to hear was so

1376
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,879
Speaker 1: they get there, Jerry confirms, hey, you are a soldier,

1377
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: and that's when the process starts to come to America.

1378
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 1: My dad I wanted to go to California first because

1379
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: there had already been some people here in California, some relatives.

1380
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: And they gave him two choices, California or Minnesota. And

1381
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: my dad said, I'm gonna go to California. Well they

1382
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: did the paperwork, and it's like, well, the people in

1383
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 1: California that you say are you, they're only your clans people.

1384
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: It's not media immediate family. So there's like we're looking

1385
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: for immediate family. Well there, even though in the Mong culture,

1386
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: your clansmen are actually much more important than say, like

1387
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: your sister. Even your clansmen is really you know what

1388
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: what you know? We when you talk about among families,

1389
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: it's all about the clan. So I'm a part of

1390
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: a clan. Those guys aren't your they're your clan, but

1391
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: they're not like your first cousins or anything. They're not

1392
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: your brothers. So we can't send you to California. So

1393
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,560
Speaker 1: they get stuck there for seven months. They're in the

1394
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: refugee camps for seven months. And then my mom had

1395
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: a brother, and we also had other clansmen end up

1396
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: in Minnesota around that time. The UM there's a couple

1397
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: of Christian organizations in UM groups and people in Rochester,

1398
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: Minnesota is that's it's actually where we ended up. It

1399
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: was in Rochester, Minnesota, and I we we still came

1400
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: in contact with those folks today and we hunt on

1401
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: their land, and I had a conversation with him a

1402
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and the story from them was, you know,

1403
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: it was just two couples, James and Verie and then

1404
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: Bill and Sandy, who they like, They were friends, and

1405
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 1: they got together and they say, hey, we want to

1406
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: do something. We want to sponsor a family. And their

1407
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: reason was it was just the right thing to do.

1408
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: You know, they knew that among people fought in the

1409
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: war alongside the US, and they just wanted to do

1410
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: something out of the kindness of their heart. So they

1411
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: talked to some folks and they get together with their

1412
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 1: respective churches and they say, well, we want to sponsor family.

1413
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: That family ended up being us. So we end up

1414
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: in Rochester, Minnesota, and we had an goal my mom's

1415
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: half brother as well as some other clans member up

1416
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities, and so we end up in

1417
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: Rochester for um two years, and then we moved up

1418
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: to the Twin Cities. Basically, what year, So what year

1419
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 1: did you land here? So you're uh, yeah, a ninety

1420
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: Well I was one and a half. My brother, um oh,

1421
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: I was counting from yeah, so uh so seventy five

1422
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: to seventy nine. I was born in seventy nine. We're

1423
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, we make it to UM, we make it

1424
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: to the refugee camp in essentially a year passes and

1425
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: then we end up in Rochester. Tell everybody about the

1426
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 1: prohibition on eating animal hearts. Yeah, so yeah, you're gonna

1427
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: like this. Um so among people UM before the introduction

1428
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: to Christianity. So you know, we talked a little bit

1429
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: about earlier about UM French influence in Southeast Asia. UM

1430
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: the like some of the very first non among people

1431
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: that non Asians UM that among people came in contact

1432
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: with were like French missionaries priests that introduced UM among

1433
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: people to Christianity. I grew up Catholic, I was telling

1434
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: Corinna's and for the longest time I didn't know why,

1435
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: but I grew up Catholic. UM. So the traditional religion

1436
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: is UM. You know, they call it animists UM Shamanism,

1437
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: the belief in in ancestral spirits, right, and so if

1438
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: you were sick, we didn't believe that it was like

1439
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: physically you were sick, you know, we believe that there

1440
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: was your your spirit was sick. There was some sort

1441
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 1: of spiritual imbalance. So you would employ the the service

1442
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: of a shaman. He would come and you know he

1443
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: was He's somebody who can go into the spirit world

1444
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: and and you know, and and and fix your spirit

1445
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: or or you know, or battle the spirit or the

1446
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: evil spirits and warded off right, and that would make

1447
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: you better. Um. Well, the story around the heart is um, Uh,

1448
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: there was there's a curse that's laid on UM, very

1449
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: specific clan group and I'm a part of that group. Yeah,

1450
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 1: so your group is under a curse. Yeah. And and

1451
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: this is the legitimate This is a legitimate curse. So um,

1452
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: and the curse goes as follows. Uh. So the religion

1453
01:28:55,439 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: you know, animus Shamanism, Um. The story is that there

1454
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,560
Speaker 1: was a long time ago there was there was a

1455
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: ceremony going on and so this was a traditional ceremony.

1456
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: In that ceremony, they were cooking up the stew, right,

1457
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: and the stew in there. There's different versions of this

1458
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: depending on who tells it. But there was a ox

1459
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: heart or or cow herd um and the shaman or

1460
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the group of people there um had asked um a

1461
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: young man or a boy that was nearby to watch

1462
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: the stew make sure no messages, make sure nobody messes

1463
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: with it and the the The only significant details that

1464
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: I remember from what with this this this young man

1465
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: or young boy, was that, um, he had a mental disability.

1466
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: So it's so you know, to be not to be

1467
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: like politically incorrect, but he was. He was like, um

1468
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: they in the mong were they? He said, like he's

1469
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: he was slow, right, and so um, he's his task

1470
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: was to wash the stew. So these guys go off

1471
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: and do the thing, come back, and when they come

1472
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: back to grab the heart, it's nowhere to be found

1473
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: it and they can't find it in the stew at all.

1474
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: And so they talk it over and the conclusion that

1475
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 1: they came up with was, well, we need to use

1476
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: his heart. Um, yeah, we we need to use his

1477
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: because he can't like in a way I think he

1478
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: can't defend himself, like well the slow boys. So they're

1479
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: like not only that, but its like I think the

1480
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: idea was like what they were asking him, like where

1481
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: was it? He like he couldn't explain, right, So they

1482
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: looked all over, can't find the heart. He must eat it,

1483
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 1: so he must have eaten it. And so at this

1484
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: point if he's he must have eaten it then in

1485
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 1: order to to make things right, well, we had to

1486
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: use his and so what they ended up doing was

1487
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: they end up killing the boy using his heart. So

1488
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: they do that, and as the story goes, they find

1489
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: the boy, you know, dead and at the end of

1490
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: the ceremony and everybody's cleaning up, they come back and

1491
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: they're cleaning this pot. Well, hell, the heart was stuck

1492
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: at the bottom of this this pot, right, and so

1493
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: now they a big cover up in suits. It jumped wild. Yeah,

1494
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: so they're you know, they're they're they're um conspiring amongst themselves,

1495
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: like we got to cover this, right, and there's a

1496
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: um And I don't know this. I don't know the

1497
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: significance of the lady. She might have been like a

1498
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: relative of the boy or the young man. While she

1499
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: overhears what they had done, so she lays the curse,

1500
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: which is a doozy, right, basically the curses from this

1501
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: day fourth none of the men in this clan. What

1502
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: is the name of your clan? Um, Well, my last

1503
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: name is Yang, so I'm a part of the Yang clan. Right.

1504
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,759
Speaker 1: So in Mong culture there's eighteen clans. So if you

1505
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,560
Speaker 1: if you're a Mong, you you belong in one of

1506
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: these eighteen. You recognized by the last names of the

1507
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: person the curses from this day. Fourth, anybody in this clan,

1508
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: any of the men in this clan. If you eat heart,

1509
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: you will go blind. And that's heart and I'm never

1510
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: eating heart now to be fair, you know there's eighteen clans,

1511
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: and then in those clans there's subclans, right, so we're

1512
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: not all related. Um, because you know, depending on where

1513
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: you're from in parts of the country. Even though I'm

1514
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm part of the Yang clan, this curse doesn't actually

1515
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: affect all the Yangs. It only affects like certain subclans

1516
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: who observe it. Yeah, so as a Mong person you

1517
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: grow up, well one for sure, Um, you can't marry

1518
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: or date somebody of the same last name, and that

1519
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: applies to the entire like clan. So you have to

1520
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,560
Speaker 1: go out of your clan. You have to go to

1521
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: your clan, did you Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, but

1522
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: your wife's mom, my wife's mom. Yeah, but out of clan,

1523
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: out of clan, she's a van. Yeah. And so does

1524
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: she hang onto that name? Oh yeah, she hangs onto it, Yes,

1525
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: my wife did. Yeah, are pretty good reason, a good

1526
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: reason like that, she said you didn't wanna have to

1527
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 1: like update all of her stuff. Yeah, you know, Um,

1528
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 1: mostly the Mong women hold on to their to their

1529
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: maiden names and that in that curse. Yeah, it was

1530
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 1: that another clan that placed the curse on your clan

1531
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: or like who um the Yeah, that's a good question.

1532
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. Again I mentioned I don't know

1533
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: the significance of the woman. Yeah, but it was so

1534
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: um the the so the woman laid the curse and

1535
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: it only affects them men of very specific subclans right.

1536
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: So um, going back to you learning the things you

1537
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: grew up with. Number one thing you learn as a

1538
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 1: young person, don't marry your client. Can't You can't marry

1539
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: because they're consider your sibling, the consider your brother or

1540
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: your sister. Um for me. Number two is you can

1541
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: never eat heart. And you haven't and I haven't any

1542
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: heart of any animal, no heart. We have these beef

1543
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: heart pills. I'm hoping, you know, I've never tried, but

1544
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm hoping. I'm you know, I'm hoping that, you know,

1545
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: like if I were to eat it by accident, you know,

1546
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm hoping, like the spirits are so you know, every

1547
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: time you eat heart on you know, wherever on this

1548
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 1: series or whatever. I like, dang, I can't do that.

1549
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: And you know my buddies are you know, they're like, yeah,

1550
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, once we you know, if we we ever

1551
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: shoot a deer or whatever it is, we're just we're

1552
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna eat a heart in front of you, and you

1553
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do but at it, you know.

1554
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, that's true. And then you know

1555
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 1: at family gatherings, you know, all the women would eat heart.

1556
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Would your wife eat it? She would? Yeah? But um,

1557
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: all the like we go to gatherings and all the

1558
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: women be like just making fun of the men because

1559
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: they're just sitting there eating the heart and they're like,

1560
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 1: you guys can't touch it. Yeah. Let me tell you

1561
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: a story I heard. Let me tell you a story

1562
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 1: me and Johanni heard Missouri. Okay, okay, guys tellings. There's

1563
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: no squirrels around right now. You know where this is going. Okay,

1564
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: why the monk killed them all? Yeah, big roving bands

1565
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: of monk came down from Minnesota, conducted a massive squirrel drive,

1566
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: which I didn't know. It's the thing, I don't know

1567
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: if they got tree climbing gear what they conducted a

1568
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: massive squirrel drive. Okay, killed off all the squirrels in

1569
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: order to sell them. And I said, who do they

1570
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: sell them to the other monk? And I said, so

1571
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,520
Speaker 1: hong it. So a bunch of mone came down from Minnesota,

1572
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: drove to Missouri, conducted a massive squirrel drive, killed all

1573
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 1: the squirrels, drove back to Minnesota, and sold them to

1574
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: other moms. Correct, I got it. Uh. Do you hear

1575
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: a lot of this kind of stuff? I I I

1576
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: certainly know of among loving squirrels. I mean, squirrels king

1577
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: among among people, right, even even more so than deer everything.

1578
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh jib read that article. There's an article

1579
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 1: in Harper's magazine decades ago called squirrel Hunting with the Monk.

1580
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: I might I might have heard of it, yes, Um,

1581
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna die among people love the squirrels,

1582
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: and because they you know, if you think about it, um,

1583
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: small game was really what they were able to hunt

1584
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 1: back in the mouse and so you know call it,

1585
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, just having the the the love for the

1586
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: taste of squirrel. And my dad today, you know, he

1587
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: would him and I go squirrel hunting. The only hunting

1588
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,719
Speaker 1: with him and I go together is squirrel hunting, and

1589
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: because that's just what they love to do. I think

1590
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: they like to chase. I'll be honest and say from

1591
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I have talked about, talked to,

1592
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: they're they're like just somehow really good at hunting squirrels. Um.

1593
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: And I know there's like squirrel calls out there. You

1594
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: guys have ever heard that, Like they use um, lemon

1595
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 1: grass to to call him the squirrels. Yeah, yeah, you're

1596
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: here rubbing two quarters together and I'm not. But I've

1597
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 1: just been taught to like to blow on lemon grass

1598
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: early in the season, make a little distress. Yeah, basically

1599
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: you're creating the stress call of of of baby. When

1600
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: it works, when there's still young squirrels around, like in September,

1601
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 1: it brings them all out. One of what the hell's happening?

1602
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: Like a hawks got one of them or whatever. Now,

1603
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: I will say, I don't know, like I don't see

1604
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 1: people selling squirrels. I don't know. I've never been on

1605
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: you've never gone down to Missouri for Big Squirrel Drive? Yeah,

1606
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 1: the squirrel the Grave Missouri Squirrel round Up. Um. Yeah, yeah,

1607
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 1: they love squirrels. I don't know about the selling part.

1608
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean in Minnesota. I if you told me where

1609
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: I go buy scores, I wouldn't. I couldn't tell you. Yeah,

1610
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: I like I should be clear about the point I

1611
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 1: was trying. Like the point I was getting at is

1612
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: this idea that um that it's like and you'll hear

1613
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: just often, you'll hear just frequently like I hear it frequently.

1614
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: Is that, um, they're these kind of like we hold

1615
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 1: like in areas where Euro American hunters and then they

1616
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 1: would use competing, not not like they're all hunters together,

1617
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: but like there's like you're you're like competing against this

1618
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 1: other entity, this other group you're competing against. The monk

1619
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: and the moong are kind of um, like these sort

1620
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 1: of supernaturally good hunters but also don't know what they're doing.

1621
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 1: They get to be both things, Like they get to

1622
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: not know what they're doing, but also they're super they

1623
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: have like supernatural prowess, and they u zero regard for

1624
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: hunting rules, kill everything, eat it in weird ways, eat

1625
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 1: weird things. I mean, you just hear it all the time.

1626
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: And I heard it from a guy I don't want

1627
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: to say who was. I heard it from a guy

1628
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, who was I heard it

1629
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,919
Speaker 1: from a guy last year complaining about he doesn't hunt squirrels.

1630
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: He's a deer hunter, doesn't squirrels, complaining about how the

1631
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: monk killers squirls. But you don't hunt squirrels. We mean

1632
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: they kill all the squirrels. If he was hearing about

1633
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: a dude looked like m hunting squirrels, he'd be like

1634
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 1: that guys el squirrel hunting. But if it's a moment

1635
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 1: like the squirrels, do you know what I mean, it's

1636
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: just like a thing. Yeah, you mentioned the Amish earlier,

1637
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Seth heard it. I heard it in Pennsylvania.

1638
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 1: And when we talk about this, we'll get flooded with

1639
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:19,679
Speaker 1: the emails starting like the second this droughts and flow

1640
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 1: the emails be like, yeah, but seriously that uh that?

1641
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: What's that pump um Remington rifle? The seven sixty six

1642
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Everyone growing up everyone called that the Amish machine guns

1643
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: exactly if it wasn't that it was a lever action. Um, yeah,

1644
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: what how much do you have any insights into how

1645
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean from your angle, do you have insights into

1646
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: how like where that that stereotype? Like why that's appealing

1647
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 1: to people. Are are you? Are you subject to that?

1648
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 1: Do people do like white dudes meet you out hunting

1649
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: and they know you've been up to no good? Jean?

1650
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 1: Is this like a thing you live with? Or Am

1651
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: I telling you things you've never heard before? No? No, no,

1652
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that's new news. Um, it's not

1653
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 1: new news, you know, um And and in fact, you

1654
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: know a few weeks ago I talked to Um Liaison

1655
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 1: from the d n R who he was among Liaison

1656
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: a long time among the Aison retired now, but I

1657
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: mean he said those same things and so like he

1658
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: said the same things in what way and that you

1659
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,520
Speaker 1: know among people would I mean they hunt in in

1660
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 1: in groups. Um, it's it's we just go together. That's

1661
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: one that's and that's that's something that we brought over

1662
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 1: from looses. And people don't like that. Well I guess it.

1663
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: I guess not. You know, instead of like one buddy,

1664
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: you go with more people. So having a hunting camp

1665
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 1: when you go to deer camp and here's sixteen people

1666
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 1: at deer camp, that's cool. Or a pheasant drive with

1667
01:41:56,160 --> 01:42:03,719
Speaker 1: thirty guys in South dudes, well there, yeah, there's that right,

1668
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,759
Speaker 1: And then so that one being like groups of people, yeah, groups,

1669
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: And then we were talking about this is like among

1670
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: people go early man, we we okay, we're talking like

1671
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's that whole public private land, you know,

1672
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: UM kind of conversation right um on public land. We

1673
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I the Turkey season just wrapped up in

1674
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: Um on the thirty one to May, and my buddies

1675
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: and I went out at four in the morning, and

1676
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,520
Speaker 1: so we were there and there was nobody around. UM.

1677
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 1: And to say, to answer your question around you know,

1678
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 1: being subject to it, well, I mean I've heard UM,

1679
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 1: and I'm full aware of it. And then I haven't

1680
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: been hunting long enough to like maybe experienced that. UM.

1681
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: But in talking to this liaison, you know, he says

1682
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: that uh moong relations with you know, in this case,

1683
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: we'll just say say, you know, the whites in Minnesota

1684
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 1: over the years have just have become a lot better,

1685
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 1: have become better, have become better. It's like he's like,

1686
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 1: it's it's ten times much better than you know. He's

1687
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: for he first started hunting in Minnesota in nineteen seven,

1688
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 1: so he was he was there very early early on,

1689
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: and he he had He's like Yeah, this w m

1690
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: A that we have in the Twin Cities used to

1691
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: be full of squirrels and now they're the squirrels are

1692
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: all gone because you know, he shared it with people

1693
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 1: and then you know, all the monks went and killed

1694
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 1: all the squirrels. Okay, I mean I'm looking tonight. We

1695
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: we love you guys, got onto it. You guys got

1696
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: the spots. Okay, all right, we're getting somewhere now. How

1697
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: so you knew Okay, did Gerald Man come here in

1698
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,480
Speaker 1: automatically or did he not hunt when he came? Um?

1699
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: Well he not not right away. UM. You know I

1700
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: talked about um Bill and Sandy Sulivan who live in

1701
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:14,680
Speaker 1: Rochester today. They have eighty acres UM. I think it's

1702
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: considered like the drift just drift list area of of

1703
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: the of Minnesota, Southeastern Minnesota. UM. And they actually introduced

1704
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: my dad to hunting UM in UM like eight one,

1705
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I think is what he said. So shortly after they arrived.

1706
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 1: UM because among people were farmers as well, and she

1707
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: was she was telling me, Sandy was telling me that

1708
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: we got your mom uh plot of land so she

1709
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: could farm. And then UM, that's kind of what they

1710
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:46,640
Speaker 1: did for a little bit before they came up to

1711
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: the cities. And then I remember my dad hanging um

1712
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 1: a buck in um in our basement after he shot it,

1713
01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: like early eighties. So he didn't hunt right away until um,

1714
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, like Bill and Sandy and and some of

1715
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,679
Speaker 1: the people that we were um that brought us over

1716
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: here and and sponsored us, like took him hunting. Yeah. Uh,

1717
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: And that's pretty hard to get used to. Like if

1718
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: you went from subsistence hunting in the in a like

1719
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: lawless civil war exactly region of kind of of a

1720
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: war torn Southeast Asia and all of sud it's like,

1721
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: oh no, you go down and you buy this permit

1722
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: and you follow these rules and you can't do this,

1723
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: you can't do that. A lot of this menu a day,

1724
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 1: it's probably huh yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that, right,

1725
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: And and and again in talking to you know that

1726
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 1: the ore the liaison, he said that there was a

1727
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: lot of that. There was, you know, among people came here,

1728
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,759
Speaker 1: didn't know the language, right, had no concept of wildlife management.

1729
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 1: Um in Laos there there wasn't none. Like you hunted

1730
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: because you were hungry, and you know, you just you

1731
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 1: hunted anything that you could see. Um, so coming here,

1732
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there's some for some for the for

1733
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: people coming over here. It was something that they you know,

1734
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 1: how to get used to. Um. You know. Some other

1735
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: issues he said early on, were just language barrier, right. Um.

1736
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: You know if and and you know, you meet somebody

1737
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:20,920
Speaker 1: on the woods, if you don't understand language, sometimes there's issues. Um.

1738
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 1: But one thing he did tell me was earlier I

1739
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 1: mentioned about it getting way better. He said, the young

1740
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 1: hunters now understand the laws, understand public versus private, understand um,

1741
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 1: shooting light understand possession, limited understand um, all these They

1742
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 1: know the rules and regulations as well. And so it's

1743
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 1: almost like now that you know, we all understand each other,

1744
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's it's almost like again it's gotten

1745
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 1: way better, like a generation removed from the lawlessness. Another

1746
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 1: thing occurs you about the situation you're describing that your

1747
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: family was in and all those years, is um, if

1748
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: you imagine just this concept of private and public, if

1749
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 1: you were a nation lists you're coming at, you're a

1750
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: nationalist person right moving across the landscape where you don't

1751
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: own property, you have no government, you know, like you

1752
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: spend your whole life or you're not supposed to be

1753
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 1: according to someone's definition. And I imagine it's probably also

1754
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: hard to show up and get like, oh, I see

1755
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 1: like that fence. They're right, don't you know, When your

1756
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 1: sort of whole existence has been going where you needed

1757
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:39,640
Speaker 1: to go, people shot at you. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

1758
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 1: And you know, he also wenttioned, you know, and this

1759
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Early on, we we didn't have anything,

1760
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: and so you know, you were too busy trying to

1761
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:55,759
Speaker 1: acclimate to a new country. You were too busy establishing, um,

1762
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 1: maybe a career or going to school or or um,

1763
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: you know, just making a living here. And so we

1764
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: mostly hunted public lands, right, And he said, no money

1765
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 1: to buy land. Yeah, no money to buy land. Um.

1766
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 1: And he said as through the years, among people started

1767
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 1: buying boats, right, started buying land. And over the years,

1768
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, at least what he's seen in Minnesota is

1769
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: that we've kind of just become a part of the

1770
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 1: hunting community. It's just like, yes, like mong people are

1771
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 1: just they're they're like us essentially. So it's got he says,

1772
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: It's just you know, through the years, it's just gotten

1773
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 1: way better. Especially he credits the young hunters for again,

1774
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 1: understanding the laws, the rules and and and and abiding

1775
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: by those. Uh you so you're interested, Like you got

1776
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: a gun you have you know, you bought a gun

1777
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 1: for personal protection before you bought a hunting gun. Yes,

1778
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 1: how did that go? Like how how did that come?

1779
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: Like A yeah, and you were brought up around guns

1780
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 1: or no I wasn't. I was. And so you know,

1781
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 1: going back to like my relationship with my dad, I mean,

1782
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 1: you know it's kind of like, you know, you want

1783
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: to call it like kind of like the Asian relationship

1784
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: is like it's respectable. Right, And again going back to

1785
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: growing up here, my dad spent a lot of his

1786
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: time just providing for us. He works second shift, so

1787
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 1: you didn't really have that interaction. Um so he never

1788
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: took us hunting. Um and so um it was going

1789
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 1: back to the whole gun thing. Like my my wife's

1790
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: actually a federal officer. She carries she she actually had

1791
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: issued one, but she just chooses not to to carry

1792
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 1: it with her. But um my, my, why I didn't

1793
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: get into hunting until like a year ago, right, was

1794
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 1: ignorance of I didn't I didn't want to handle a

1795
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:59,640
Speaker 1: firearm because I equated hunting with firearms. Right. Two. I

1796
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 1: The other piece was, well, you need private land at

1797
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: least the way I was thinking was you need private

1798
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:10,760
Speaker 1: land in in Minnesota to be able to hunt. So

1799
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: like it was like those two barriers to entry almost right. Um,

1800
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 1: So a year ago this week, um, some a buddy,

1801
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: some buddies, my cousin and a couple of buddies decided

1802
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 1: to go fishing in South Dakota. Um. You know, if

1803
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 1: you think about a year ago this week, Um, there's

1804
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 1: a lot of unrest in Minnesota. You had the murder

1805
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 1: of George Floyd behind four officers, You had the pandemic

1806
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 1: going on, you had Asian hate going on. And so

1807
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 1: here the four of us are like, hey, let's go

1808
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 1: fishing in South Dakota and and enjoy some time. And

1809
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: one of the very first questions that came out of

1810
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 1: that was which one of us has a gun for

1811
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 1: for personal protection? Now not that we would ever hopefully

1812
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 1: would never use it or need it, but like that,

1813
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,360
Speaker 1: like that was something that came up for piece of money,

1814
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 1: for peace of mind. And so you know, it was

1815
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 1: a seven hour drive from where we were. You know,

1816
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 1: we went fishing in South Dakota. So we kind of

1817
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 1: like just talked about it. And the one guy who

1818
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 1: did have consumed carry, he you know, he basically gave

1819
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:19,759
Speaker 1: us the low down, right, you know, seven hour drive

1820
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 1: you know. You of course talked about it, and he

1821
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 1: lived in an area where there was actually looting, like

1822
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 1: in his backyard. Right, He's like, I have this because legitimately,

1823
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 1: I we should be protecting ourselves because everything that's going on.

1824
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like this perfect storm of things.

1825
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 1: And so I came back and I was like, I

1826
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 1: was just like gung ho, and hey, you know, I

1827
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: need to go get myself. And I'm a leader. I'm

1828
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: a contributor to you know, the what are millions of

1829
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 1: people that bought sorry yeah yeah, I contribute to that.

1830
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So um, and that was your first firearm purse?

1831
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 1: That was that was my first firearm purchase. Did you

1832
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 1: go get a concealed carry permit? Yes? I did so

1833
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: right away. It came back, I gotta permit to go

1834
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 1: purchase and then you know, took the class and got

1835
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 1: the license to carry. Um, and so I got that,

1836
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 1: so you know if you so I got it. So

1837
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm like and then my brother is actually a state

1838
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: trooper in the state Minnesota. So he's been hunting for

1839
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 1: a long time. Heavy law enforcement. Yeah, you, um, is

1840
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 1: that unusual? Uh, there's a lot of Monge going to

1841
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Are you kind of an anomaly that your

1842
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: wife and I don't? There's there's not many. There's some

1843
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: like I have a first cousin within law enforcement. So

1844
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think there's there's there's some

1845
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 1: of that, but it's not like a no one. It's

1846
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 1: like a like an industry, y'all infant or no. And

1847
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 1: you know there's there's there's people who are involved with

1848
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: the community. Um. You know, we had like the first

1849
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 1: mung Um state senator a few years back. So I

1850
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: think Mong people are really into like serving. I think

1851
01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 1: serving is the right word, is that we like to

1852
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 1: serve um. And so you know, my brother started like

1853
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 1: showing me how to use it. And then shortly like

1854
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 1: shortly after I got my nine milion, I buy an

1855
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 1: a R fifteen, right and so to two six and

1856
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 1: I'm not I like so so that was like my

1857
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 1: first deer rifle. Do you have you hunted deer? I

1858
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:24,800
Speaker 1: have yet? So, um when when you in any case,

1859
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: why I got into a hunting. Um, so I'm shooting

1860
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:31,799
Speaker 1: this nine millimeter. I'm like, at one point I realized,

1861
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 1: you know what, I hope I never get to use

1862
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: this or have to use this, right, but shooting is fun,

1863
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: like you know the act of shooting and going to

1864
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: the range for my brother him showing me how to

1865
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, take it apart. This is kind of fun, right,

1866
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 1: I'd like to shoot more. And so that's kind of

1867
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 1: like what spurred the whole hunting Like itch, Um, now,

1868
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 1: did you put a scope on your a R or

1869
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 1: like a red dot on put a red dot on it? Yeah? So,

1870
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 1: um put a red out it. And then I wrote

1871
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 1: this in the email to you guys too. Is around

1872
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 1: the same time my buddy, Um, I bought forty acres

1873
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: up north, and he's like, you know, he he was

1874
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 1: he just bought it. Um, he said he bought it

1875
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 1: for hunting. So one got over the fear of firearms too. Hey,

1876
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 1: we have forty acres we can hunt on. And that's

1877
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 1: really what kind of like pushing me over the edge?

1878
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: Was it? What was it something since your dad did hunt,

1879
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 1: were you interested in it as a kid or and

1880
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 1: you just never had the opportunity. Yeah, it was. It

1881
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 1: was exactly that. It was. You know, my brother and

1882
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,920
Speaker 1: my dad went all the time. I've just like never

1883
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 1: given it the time of day. But you were like

1884
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 1: you were philosophically opposed to owner in the firearm um

1885
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 1: or just didn't uh not a post to owning one.

1886
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: I just like I was just scared of like physically

1887
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 1: handling want to right, Well, once I got over that,

1888
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 1: and then um, hey there's forty acres of land we

1889
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 1: can hunt on, right, and so and these are more

1890
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: dudes you're hunting with. Oh yeah, yeah, my my best friends.

1891
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and um so we were all just like

1892
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 1: kind of gotten to this, um like, hey, let's let's

1893
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 1: let's do this right and this this was like August

1894
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 1: dish right, So the rifle dear rifle season was November,

1895
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 1: and so we like we started buying all the year.

1896
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 1: Um and you know, uh, in Minnesota, there's a north

1897
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: in the South region. So in the south you can

1898
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: do shotgun only. Um, there's the northern region where you

1899
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: can do like rifle. So I like, I I was

1900
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 1: gonna go with my air fifteen two two three, and

1901
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 1: they were going to go with shotguns. And so we

1902
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,320
Speaker 1: got all geared up and you know that's so you're

1903
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 1: in the rifle. Are the shotgun area. We're in the rifle.

1904
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 1: So you can do you can do, but you were

1905
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:50,040
Speaker 1: in an area where you could do it. You could choose,

1906
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: but they already had shotguns. They were gonna use their

1907
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: shotguns and you were going to use your a r

1908
01:55:54,320 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 1: correct correct how to go? Didn't tag, didn't didn't. Um, yeah,

1909
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 1: we did. Anybody get one? No, nobody got one. Nobody

1910
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 1: got we saw. Yes, Well here's the story we saw

1911
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:14,000
Speaker 1: and so you know we saw, but they were so

1912
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean two to three I think for me was

1913
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: I think semi five yards and under because it is

1914
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 1: kind of what you know through our research, right shotguns

1915
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 1: is like the same thing sixty yards and under close.

1916
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 1: You had to otherwise you know, again, we wouldn't shoot right. Well,

1917
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 1: we started seeing deer and they're like hundred fifty yards away,

1918
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 1: two hund yards away. So after the first week um

1919
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 1: of hunting, and after the after the week and a half,

1920
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 1: we saw a deer that was way too far away,

1921
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:53,879
Speaker 1: right and um, we actually went on a separate property,

1922
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 1: private property that backed up to um Uh state land

1923
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: and so we were seeing deer like a hundred yards

1924
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 1: two yards away. Well, I'm sitting there like I never

1925
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a shot. I don't I will never

1926
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 1: be able to shoot if I have. You know this

1927
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 1: a R and I'm not not gonna rs. But the

1928
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 1: next day I go and I buy six five cree

1929
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 1: more because I'm like, I gotta go. I mean, you

1930
01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 1: need to go longer. Right, and so again I went

1931
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 1: from like no guns in June and last year and

1932
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 1: to semi and cartridges. I would have been like I

1933
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 1: got a two three and buy a big ballbuster. Man,

1934
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 1: I buy like a three hundred or I know that

1935
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna choo. He said, how are you guys? Were

1936
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 1: you guys posted up and stands or how are you

1937
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 1: like all hunting together? Um? You know and experienced right?

1938
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: So um we were you guys trying to do a

1939
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 1: scroll drive day? No? No, and I sc drive. We

1940
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: we we be set up in blinds and so and

1941
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 1: then we had the one buddy who had who had

1942
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:06,760
Speaker 1: a stand tree stand, and we didn't really after the

1943
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 1: few hundred the couple that we saw were like a

1944
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: few hundred yards away, we didn't see anything. And then

1945
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,360
Speaker 1: and then the season ended and then my brother and

1946
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 1: I did go down to Rochester because they had some

1947
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 1: heavy c W d UM areas down there, so they

1948
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 1: were trying to get out rid of all the year.

1949
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 1: So him and I did go down Rochester a couple

1950
01:58:25,160 --> 01:58:26,880
Speaker 1: of days to see if we can find some. But

1951
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 1: we we didn't run across anything. If anything, I I

1952
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,160
Speaker 1: spooked probably more dear than I could count. But you're

1953
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: this fall, you're going out, Oh yeah, this this this

1954
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: fall is is. Um, I'm doing our tree. Um, so

1955
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 1: I've started, you know, shooting bone arrow and then yeah,

1956
01:58:47,240 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: we're we're counting on the days of the rifle season. Yeah.

1957
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 1: So did you did you end that first season just

1958
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 1: like an addict? Uh? Pretty much much Yeah yeah, And

1959
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 1: and um, I was telling you guys, the turkey season

1960
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 1: just ended, and I'm totally hooked. We're totally hooked on.

1961
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 1: We didn't get a turkey. But here's the thing that's awesome, right,

1962
01:59:12,240 --> 01:59:15,560
Speaker 1: Like he you know, didn't do any of this. I

1963
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 1: mean that's why I kind of loved this story. Like

1964
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:20,240
Speaker 1: you weren't doing any of this. And I know you've

1965
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:23,080
Speaker 1: told me that, you know, you've gone back to reread

1966
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:26,879
Speaker 1: Mediator articles on the website and gone back to rewatch

1967
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 1: seasons of the Netflix because people think if you didn't

1968
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 1: get anything, no, but I mean, like it's not. You know,

1969
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 1: these are a bunch of guys. They have it in

1970
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 1: their blood and it's probably a reawakening right now. But

1971
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: you're just like you keep on getting out there and

1972
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:49,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to like they're teaching themselves and it's like

1973
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 1: Brody took me out last last season. You know, I've

1974
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 1: got everyone in this office to help show me the

1975
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 1: ropes in they're just going out on their own. I

1976
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: was telling you, you know, the Turkey season in Minnesota

1977
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:08,280
Speaker 1: is um there's six seasons. So if you do archery,

1978
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 1: you can hunt the entire six weeks or the basically

1979
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:15,600
Speaker 1: middle of April and in May. If you're doing shotgun,

1980
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 1: which was what I was doing, you had to pick one.

1981
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:21,480
Speaker 1: So I picked season two, which is six days. If

1982
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 1: you don't tag, you can actually come back the last week,

1983
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 1: which is actually thirteen days and you can use your

1984
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 1: tag there. So I hunted um six plus essentially I

1985
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 1: think ten eleven days and the last in this the

1986
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 1: last season just just ended. I was going almost every

1987
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:44,680
Speaker 1: day and I did like, um, you know, I get

1988
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:46,440
Speaker 1: up at you know, we were talking about getting their

1989
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:52,880
Speaker 1: damn early. So my buddy and as we get there

1990
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 1: at four because the we we kind of got it

1991
02:00:56,240 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 1: down to the gobbles will start around five nish and

1992
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 1: five o'clock to shooting light. Um you know, um five

1993
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 1: o'clock shooting lights. So around you knew that there was

1994
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:13,280
Speaker 1: gonna be got But we we stumbled onto this like

1995
02:01:13,400 --> 02:01:16,160
Speaker 1: field by luck on on its w m A and

1996
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 1: you just knew that the gobbles were gonna be coming

1997
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:22,960
Speaker 1: out of like five. Do you guys running any other

1998
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:27,080
Speaker 1: hunters in there? No, we didn't, And I think there

1999
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:32,040
Speaker 1: because well you know, well we get there at you know,

2000
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:34,040
Speaker 1: i'd wait and you can ask my wife that I

2001
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 1: got up at three thirty, right, got ready drove to

2002
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:42,720
Speaker 1: the spot by four. Um. So the spot, you know

2003
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:45,240
Speaker 1: the field, you had the field and you have the

2004
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:48,960
Speaker 1: parking lot and so, um, well I already have a

2005
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 1: car and then my buddy shows up. There's two cars there.

2006
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:53,320
Speaker 1: And you know, one of one of my rules with

2007
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, buddies for safety is that if you drive

2008
02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:59,680
Speaker 1: into somewhere and there's one or two cars, just go

2009
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:02,320
Speaker 1: find in a different place. Right, So we were it,

2010
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 1: so we kind of like monopolized, personalized. So yeah, yeah,

2011
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:17,800
Speaker 1: so so I did. So I'd wake up at four, hunt,

2012
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, try to try to catch a gobbler until

2013
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,920
Speaker 1: like eight, go to work, work all day, and then

2014
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 1: go to tennis. And then after tennis, i'd go you

2015
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:32,080
Speaker 1: know there was you know, there were still light, I'd

2016
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'd go back to ye And I did

2017
02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:36,680
Speaker 1: that for like ten days. Yeah. One of my friend

2018
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,760
Speaker 1: Robert and Athy, he likes to get out there. I

2019
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:43,440
Speaker 1: would sleep for an hour just waiting for the birds.

2020
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:46,400
Speaker 1: A gobble. Yeah, I don't much, just sitting out to swamp.

2021
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:50,440
Speaker 1: But I don't know why we're out. We're out here

2022
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:54,040
Speaker 1: basically last night. But it feels like I was telling Korean,

2023
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, I have so much more appreciating wildlife. But

2024
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:59,880
Speaker 1: like for crows, you know, because you know, I I

2025
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,440
Speaker 1: the crow call with me, but the crows like what

2026
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,760
Speaker 1: just shot? Got? Yeah? And I'm like, man, this is

2027
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:10,480
Speaker 1: this is so cool how they work off of each other.

2028
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 1: Do you crim mentioned this earlier, like like an awakening

2029
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. Do you okay? As you learn to hunt

2030
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:22,400
Speaker 1: in in America, do you feel that you're joining an

2031
02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:26,440
Speaker 1: American tradition or do you feel like you're joining among tradition.

2032
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: I'd have to say it's it's um a little bit

2033
02:03:31,960 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 1: of both. I think hunting is in my blood and

2034
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, when I rode in, it's like I felt

2035
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,400
Speaker 1: like it's always been a part of me. But I

2036
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:46,080
Speaker 1: love everything about the American um, the American hunter and

2037
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:49,960
Speaker 1: what we have here. I just needed something to kind

2038
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:56,320
Speaker 1: of like like like uncover that. I felt like, ummic,

2039
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,120
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, well yeah, well yeah, I blame a lot

2040
02:03:59,160 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 1: of stuff on the pandemic and racial tendemic. Yeah, not

2041
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 1: like that to get a guy out hunting, exactly exactly. Um,

2042
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, a year ago this time, I didn't own

2043
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 1: a truck, I didn't want a boat. I didn't hunt,

2044
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't own a camper. And I have all

2045
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:16,840
Speaker 1: those you know, I do all those things now, you

2046
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,320
Speaker 1: know a lot of I mean, you're not lone like

2047
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And I rediscovered the outdoors. What

2048
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,480
Speaker 1: kind of boat? What kind of boat? You get? Oh?

2049
02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 1: I got I got this. Um it's a seventeen foot

2050
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:32,800
Speaker 1: they called like a bowl rider. So it's not like

2051
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:35,080
Speaker 1: a fishing boating thing. It's really so I could pack

2052
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:36,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people in there and we just go

2053
02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, pleasure boat. Yeah, you find on craigslist. Facebook,

2054
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:46,800
Speaker 1: it was on craigsliste No, but they were they were

2055
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:49,600
Speaker 1: being bought. They were being bought like like crazy. I

2056
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:52,800
Speaker 1: mean I remember looking at this one, um like it

2057
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:55,640
Speaker 1: came on in that minute. I say, I'll take it,

2058
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:57,240
Speaker 1: but I want to see it first, and the guy

2059
02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:00,560
Speaker 1: just like sold like you know, but like they were gone.

2060
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:04,360
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned um going on that fishing trip

2061
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:08,320
Speaker 1: with your buddies. Had you always fished like from the

2062
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 1: time you were a kid? Um? Yeah, off and on. Um.

2063
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, we take the kids. You know, I have

2064
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:20,840
Speaker 1: three kids, um uh fourteen, ten and six. Oh of

2065
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:24,800
Speaker 1: course my daughter Michaela. My daughter Michaela makes it like

2066
02:05:24,920 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 1: that one makes wanted to make sure that I said

2067
02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 1: to you that she says, hi, yeah, because she's actually

2068
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna be probably be my hunting buddy. She got she's

2069
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:39,840
Speaker 1: already got um this a month ago. I bought her,

2070
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:43,720
Speaker 1: um a youth a youth shotgun, and we went out

2071
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:48,560
Speaker 1: once because the range where we live, we lived close

2072
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,200
Speaker 1: to a range and it's free youth Tuesdays, and so

2073
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:53,560
Speaker 1: her and I went out. She shot it once, probably

2074
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:56,240
Speaker 1: my fault, but she couldn't take the requestion, Oh dude,

2075
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 1: here there's a trip. You probably know. It's like the

2076
02:05:59,240 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 1: first time daughter ever shot a turkey load was when

2077
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 1: she's shooting at a turkey, okay, I'd load okay, okay,

2078
02:06:06,280 --> 02:06:11,240
Speaker 1: target loads you know, like clay loads, and they just said, oh,

2079
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:12,640
Speaker 1: it's not that bad, it's not that bad. And then

2080
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:14,680
Speaker 1: when they're actually shooting is something they don't know. I

2081
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 1: just had her shoot and we're like, fake. I put

2082
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:19,480
Speaker 1: a red dot on a break open four ten for

2083
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:23,040
Speaker 1: it on turkeys with and we like, you know, sighted

2084
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:25,600
Speaker 1: it in the red dot for on a turkey silhouette.

2085
02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:26,640
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, let me shoot a

2086
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:28,600
Speaker 1: couple of times, and I put turkey loads in there

2087
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:32,160
Speaker 1: and made sure we were good on the pattern, and

2088
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,200
Speaker 1: it never had her shoot one. And as she shot

2089
02:06:35,240 --> 02:06:37,800
Speaker 1: at a turkey, never brought it up the fact that

2090
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 1: it's like the recalls like five times. That was that

2091
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 1: was my fault because I should have realized that low brass,

2092
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:47,560
Speaker 1: get some low brass target loads, and she shot it once.

2093
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 1: She was like, Dad, I don't think I can do it.

2094
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do it. This season so

2095
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, well you know, but so yeah, okay,

2096
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:57,480
Speaker 1: people are gonna want to get up. People are gonna

2097
02:06:57,480 --> 02:06:59,040
Speaker 1: want to get ahold of you. A lot of people

2098
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,480
Speaker 1: are just gonna want to get ahold of you. It's

2099
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:02,160
Speaker 1: just a thing that happens with when guests come on.

2100
02:07:02,640 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: You can choose to like I don't want to hear

2101
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:07,160
Speaker 1: about it, or you can tell everybody how they might

2102
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:09,080
Speaker 1: drop your line or find you on social media and

2103
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 1: shoot your d M or whatever. You can ignore or not.

2104
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:14,400
Speaker 1: I have a Facebook page and I have an email.

2105
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:17,240
Speaker 1: People want to email me, they can send it to us,

2106
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:19,840
Speaker 1: and we can send it to you. For people, it'll

2107
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,760
Speaker 1: go like this to people will be like, people be like,

2108
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:24,440
Speaker 1: he can hurt my place. I'm telling you, man, I'm

2109
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:27,280
Speaker 1: telling you really, because I never get that. You won't

2110
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:31,040
Speaker 1: you get that. But he'll get it. He'll get it

2111
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:35,320
Speaker 1: because his story is touching. Yeah, he's like I was

2112
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:38,320
Speaker 1: born in a very opulent country and had a lot

2113
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 1: of hunting opportunities and grew up hunting, and people like

2114
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:46,560
Speaker 1: screw that guy. Bro's got boats coming out, boats coming

2115
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:49,960
Speaker 1: out of his ears. He's got ye. But yeah, people

2116
02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 1: are gonna want yea to hunt it. I'm telling you

2117
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:54,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna let them. They're gonna tell no place, email

2118
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:57,080
Speaker 1: us forward the info. I feel like you should come

2119
02:07:57,080 --> 02:07:59,520
Speaker 1: out on turkeys with us next spring though. Um, yeah,

2120
02:07:59,560 --> 02:08:02,280
Speaker 1: I you know, i'd love to. I think I'm like

2121
02:08:02,360 --> 02:08:06,360
Speaker 1: I said, I think I'm hooked. Um. Um, you know

2122
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:10,080
Speaker 1: hearing that gobble every morning. Um, you know, my buddy

2123
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:13,240
Speaker 1: and your blood. Yeah, it's it's it's addicting that springs.

2124
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 1: That's why I went in like ten days in a row, right,

2125
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know when you're fishing and you got

2126
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,120
Speaker 1: your and you got tension on your line and the

2127
02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 1: wind blows and it makes that siren song. Their day.

2128
02:08:23,240 --> 02:08:24,720
Speaker 1: I was telling like we were it was a real

2129
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:28,520
Speaker 1: winning you here you know on the wind. And I said, man,

2130
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:31,920
Speaker 1: you hear that you'll never be able quit fishing. And

2131
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:37,960
Speaker 1: he said, I hate that, So Steve, maybe we'll need

2132
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:41,240
Speaker 1: you to do a squirrel drive with Yeah, you teach

2133
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:44,360
Speaker 1: us how to do a big, big squirrel drive that's

2134
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:47,360
Speaker 1: so effective. We kill every squirrel Missouri. And I will

2135
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 1: teach you how to Um, we'll teach you how to

2136
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:51,440
Speaker 1: get turkeys. No, I'm serious, man, I'd like to have

2137
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:52,920
Speaker 1: you should come out on turkeys with us. We have

2138
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:55,360
Speaker 1: a good time. I'll take you up on that. I will.

2139
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:57,040
Speaker 1: I will. Or you know what we could do too,

2140
02:08:57,240 --> 02:08:58,960
Speaker 1: is because because you're close sand Ways, we'll go hunt

2141
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:02,960
Speaker 1: turkeys at doug Derns. How old your kid, she's tend.

2142
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:08,360
Speaker 1: Here's what we're gonna do. Here's the plan. Do not

2143
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:13,760
Speaker 1: make plans for Wisconsin's youth turkey season. Okay, do you

2144
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying? Yes, yes, don't tell Doug that

2145
02:09:18,080 --> 02:09:23,600
Speaker 1: I invite you were and are neighbors. You know, neighboring stays.

2146
02:09:23,680 --> 02:09:26,720
Speaker 1: We love each other. We're gonna hunt my so your

2147
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:29,640
Speaker 1: daughter and my daughter and my boy are gonna because

2148
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:33,880
Speaker 1: Duck's too damn old for the youth season. I'm too

2149
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:36,800
Speaker 1: old for the youth season. We got his place locked

2150
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:40,480
Speaker 1: up for youth season. Locked up. He knows not to

2151
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:43,560
Speaker 1: let anybody hunt for youth season. But your daughter and

2152
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 1: my two kids are gonna hammer it for youth season.

2153
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,960
Speaker 1: That sounds great. Yeah, yeah, we'll be there. It won't

2154
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:52,800
Speaker 1: be squirrel season. We'll do a squirrel drive. Yeah. Thank

2155
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 1: you for coming on, man, I appreciate it. Thank you

2156
02:09:54,520 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: very much for having me. Yeah, it was a pleasure.

2157
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:58,160
Speaker 1: It was a good history lesson. Thanks a lot