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Speaker 1: Welcome into North Side Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are

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Speaker 1: your Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. The

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Speaker 1: Cubs take two or three from the Atlanta Braves. Perfectly

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Speaker 1: fine series. Nothing, you know as far as their performance

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Speaker 1: was that great. That made me super confident about how

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Speaker 1: they're going to perform the rest of the way. But

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Speaker 1: obviously a very newsy series. First thing that happened was

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Speaker 1: was that Tuesday. Now I'm losing track of my days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was Tuesday. Kyle Tucker hits an opposite field home run,

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Speaker 1: adds a single. I noticed he got thrown out at second.

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Speaker 1: It was a fielder's choice. I thought the slide was

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Speaker 1: a little awkward, and then he comes out of the

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Speaker 1: game a little later. Had nothing to do with the slide.

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Speaker 1: He had a tight, tight calf, been feeling it that day.

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Speaker 1: He said he'd been feeling it for a couple of

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Speaker 1: days and it progressively got worse during the game and

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to push it. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: We still don't We're recording on Thursday morning. We still

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Speaker 1: don't know. What the status is. You know, but two

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Speaker 1: days or I guess two days off and Wednesday and

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Speaker 1: Thursday for him half of Tuesday off. This is not

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Speaker 1: ideal considering he was on another he was finally, you know,

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Speaker 1: looking like Kyle Tucker. That was his first opposite field

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Speaker 1: home run by the way of the season, and it

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Speaker 1: was he looked like he was back. This is at

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Speaker 1: minimum it's concerning in that like does this linger does

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Speaker 1: this throw off his rhythm? Like what what are the

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Speaker 1: what happens now? Like what what's next for Kyle Tucker?

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Speaker 2: It sounds like check back Friday and maybe there will

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Speaker 2: be an answer. I mean, isn't that like what was

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Speaker 2: Council's I guess non update? Is that how you would

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Speaker 2: describe it from yeah, Wednesday's pregame?

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I think he said I have no update.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he'd spoken to Tucker, or

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Speaker 1: at least he the the way he talked to us,

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Speaker 1: it didn't seem like he'd he'd talk to Tucker about

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Speaker 1: how he how he was at that point in the day. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's a good chance he he chatted

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Speaker 1: with him or or or the training staff at some

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Speaker 1: point on on Wednesday, but there was no update. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it was after the game. He's getting Wednesday off, will

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Speaker 1: reevaluate on Friday. Tucker kind of was like, we'll see

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Speaker 1: how it is when I come in. But I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was kind of suggesting he was playing

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Speaker 1: it both ways. Maybe I can He didn't directly say

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Speaker 1: maybe I can play Wednesday, but he said we can

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Speaker 1: see how it is. But he also was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we we have the off day, we can we can

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Speaker 1: play with this and see where it goes. Nobody I

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Speaker 1: will say this. Neither Counsel nor Tucker were like it's fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't say it's fine. I feel fine.

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Speaker 1: Tucker said that, but he didn't say I'm playing Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'll be good to go. Nothing like that was said.

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Speaker 1: There was no even even I think our buddy Jesse

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Speaker 1: Rogers asked like, what's your level of concern to counsel,

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Speaker 1: like where you how are you feeling about this? That

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Speaker 1: was post game on Tuesday, and he kind of said, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he did the little council like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then finally said, you know, hamstrings, calves, anything like that.

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Speaker 1: There's a level of concern, like you just don't know

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Speaker 1: with these mule like muscle injuries, and maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: time to be cautious. Maybe it's that time of year

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Speaker 1: to be cautious. I know fans seem to believe there.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of like this is a must

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Speaker 1: win game on Wednesday. I don't know. Maybe that's fringy

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Speaker 1: Twitter that I need to stay away from. Uh probably,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, but that's not the case. They have a

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Speaker 1: huge lead there. They you know, they're pretty safely in

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Speaker 1: a playoff spot. The rest of the NL is just

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Speaker 1: like kind of a mess right now. Uh, Like, do

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Speaker 1: you really want to push the key to your offense?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to push him? If he's fine, he's fine,

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Speaker 1: if he's healthy, he's healthy. But if there's something there,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be fascinating to hear what these conversations are

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Speaker 2: actually like behind the scenes. When we saw what happened

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Speaker 2: Knowing what's at stake for Kyle Tucker as a free

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Speaker 2: I mean, team dynamics of I'm sure you'd love to

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Speaker 2: not six days a week, but certainly if he's in

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Speaker 2: think you want to just ice him for ten days.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, do you really want to

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of gray areas with this medical stuff.

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Speaker 2: We saw it with the hand injury. Like the technology

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Speaker 2: is so good, players are so driven. Tucker is such

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Speaker 2: an elite talent that there's going to inevitably a drop

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Speaker 2: be a drop off from him to the next man up.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. Man like this Kyle Tucker just cruised

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Speaker 2: along for months and it's just like, yeah, he's awesome,

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Speaker 2: he's an All star. Cubs probably won't sign him, but

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Speaker 2: there is this clamoring for him to, you know, get

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Speaker 2: an extension from the Cubs. And now it's it's very

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Speaker 2: much in this you know, will they or won't they?

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Speaker 1: Uh stage, Yeah, the more I talk about this, as

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Speaker 1: we talk this through, it's ten day ill stints right

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Speaker 1: for position players, Yeah, it changes so like so like

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Speaker 1: by Friday, that's a week essentially because you can backdate it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he'd be back by next week. But in

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Speaker 1: a week like there's just no It almost seems like,

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Speaker 1: what what are we talking about here? If I again,

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Speaker 1: if he comes in and there's nothing and he's just like, okay,

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Speaker 1: now it's perfectly fine. Sure let him play. That's a

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Speaker 1: different story. If he says, you know, oh, even if

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Speaker 1: there's no reason to push these things right now. That's

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Speaker 1: that's kind of how I feel like it's so important. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah again, I mean always different pitching versus hitting. You

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Speaker 1: injure you. I just I'm not sure what you have

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Speaker 1: Alcantra who could play every day if that's the route

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Speaker 1: they want to go. Fans aren't going to want to hear,

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Speaker 1: but Willie Castro can play regularly if needed, so you

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Speaker 1: You know, fans would probably be happiest with like a

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see him play every day. You know,

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Speaker 1: if Kyle Tucker's hurt that that just makes sense to me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not making these decisions, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know I'm often wrong, So uh, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker is the most important piece for this offense.

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Speaker 1: I think next on that list is Pete row Armstrong

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Speaker 1: So when Jed Hoyer and Craig Council talked on Monday.

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Speaker 1: They made it pretty clear that Kevin all Conunter was

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Speaker 1: called up to give Pek Armstrong a little rest, especially

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Speaker 1: but the offense just was in a play. They need him,

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Speaker 1: what he was. He can't be what he has been,

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Speaker 1: so I we'll see what this is. I do think

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Speaker 1: there is something real to just like taking a step back.

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Speaker 1: It worked so well with Kyle Tucker. We saw it

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Speaker 1: work with Wou'd say a Suzuki a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: Miguel Amaya was working on real things, real mechanical things

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Speaker 1: when he took that break. Whatever was that last year.

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Speaker 1: That was last year. So I mean, these things can work.

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Speaker 1: It's just so hard to know. I would not be

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Speaker 1: is he's got he's got this break and we have

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Speaker 2: baseball cliche of you know, only call a team meeting

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Speaker 2: right before your best pitcher is scheduled to start, because,

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Speaker 2: like they waited so long with Tucker, the law of

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Speaker 1: a lot of bats. Now he knows what to do,

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Speaker 1: He's it's it's really impressive, and I think this year

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Speaker 1: he's going to be hugely impactful. You have to You're right,

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Speaker 1: they've done a great job of kind of with the

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Speaker 1: messaging of this that they must have. This must have

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Speaker 1: been like cad. They must have hammered this home with

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Speaker 1: Kate early on because this kid's competitive, but he has

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Speaker 1: no there's not even the slightest hint in postgame when

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Speaker 1: we talked to him like there was you know, like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I jokingly asked Council to go back out.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I knew it wasn't happening, And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like I'm pissed off. It was just like, this is

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Speaker 1: the reality. There's something bigger at hand here. We're trying

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Speaker 1: to do something bigger than win just a couple of

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Speaker 1: games in the regular season, and I think he knows

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Speaker 1: and this team knows he could be huge for them

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Speaker 1: in the postseason and beyond that. I think we're like

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Speaker 1: seeing as help is so important, like I said, but

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Speaker 1: I think we're seeing the start of something like one

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Speaker 1: of like a really good picture, someone that could be

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Speaker 1: one of the best pictures in the game. That's the

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Speaker 1: type of talent we're seeing because he has all the ingredients.

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Speaker 1: If it was just stuff, I wouldn't be saying that

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Speaker 1: did There are pictures that have stuff that we that

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Speaker 1: we watch all the time. There's something about him and

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Speaker 1: the way he handles the moment. That's really impressive to

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Speaker 1: see and with you and I have seen it. Enough

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Speaker 1: of these guys compete, but he's got that competitive nature

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Speaker 1: that's just like, Okay, he gets it and he has

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Speaker 1: the stuff and you know, he's got it all and

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Speaker 1: I think there's a level here that he still hasn't

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Speaker 1: even fully reached. He's going to get better and like

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Speaker 1: future seasons we're gonna be talking about this guy is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: here's all star Kate Horton. It all comes down to

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Speaker 1: help and things can change quickly. But that's just what

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing right now. It has you know, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: the ceiling here is high.

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Speaker 2: No doubt he has the it factor, whatever you want

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Speaker 2: to call it. It's not an accident. The way Council

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Speaker 2: talks about Horton, the way teammates have talked about his

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Speaker 2: mound presence, there's kind of an old saying, you can't

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Speaker 2: fool players, and they're around this guy all the time.

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Speaker 2: Some of them have seen his the arc of his

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Speaker 2: very young career and have been impressed by how he's responded.

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Speaker 2: And Council made this point earlier this year. He thinks

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Speaker 2: it's great that Horton has already faced a lot of adversity,

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Speaker 2: like it has forced him to grow up and mature

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Speaker 2: in different ways, and that may not have happened if

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Speaker 2: things were totally smooth. If things were totally smooth, like,

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Speaker 2: who knows where Horton would be right now, Like would

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Speaker 2: he being available for the Cubs in that draft? Would

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Speaker 2: he have This is someone who could have played football

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Speaker 2: at Oklahoma. He could have been a position player baseball

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Speaker 2: wise in Oklahoma. Like speaks to the athleticism and all

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Speaker 2: the different ways this could have gone. And I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think the ceiling is extremely high, but you kind

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Speaker 2: of have to capitalize on these moments that Justin Steele

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Speaker 2: had a cy Young caliber season and the Cubs missed

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Speaker 2: the playoffs by one game. I don't think Horton will

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Speaker 2: win the Cy Young this year. He's certainly a Rookie

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Speaker 2: of the Year. I don't know, favorite, a leading contender,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. I haven't looked at

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Speaker 2: the entire cy Young field. Maybe he gets a vote,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how, depending on how he finishes. The

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Speaker 2: volume probably won't be there. But when you have a

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Speaker 2: guy in the zone like that, you gotta make the

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Speaker 2: most of it because who knows if he'll be healthy

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Speaker 2: opening day next year, the year after, Like, we just

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Speaker 2: don't know. The Cubs don't know, And that's why I

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Speaker 2: think it's it makes a ton of sense to try

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Speaker 2: and build everything for October and then just unleash him

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Speaker 2: as a game one playoff starter game two. We don't

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Speaker 2: know yet. But he's put himself in that mix, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of crazy to think of where he started

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's he's a huge part of this team's

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Speaker 1: success and he will he will if they're going to

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Speaker 1: go far in the playoffs. Obviously, we've talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about the offense. I think that's the key to this

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Speaker 1: team going deep in the playoffs. But I think if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a deep playoff run, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about, how about that Cad Horton, you know,

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Speaker 1: Game X start, How impressive was that? He's the reason

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Speaker 1: they're going to the NLCS or whatever, you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, We're going to be talking about Kate Horton

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Speaker 1: if this team has success in October. He's he's very

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Speaker 1: important to this team right now, especially a starting staff

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Speaker 1: that you know, just doesn't that is very good, but

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of swing, and Miss doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a ton of stuff, pure stuff, pure velocity, things like that.

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Speaker 1: He's got all those characteristics. All right, Patrick, that's it

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Speaker 1: for this episode. Thanks so much for listening everyone. This

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