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Speaker 1: You're listening to an airwave media podcast. Hi everybody, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to hood Ed Want Now the history podcast that's

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Speaker 1: not your history class with me your host, Katie Charlwood,

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Speaker 1: history harlot and reader of books. So before I get

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Speaker 1: into anything else, I want to say thank you to

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Speaker 1: everyone who's still leaving reviews. And it's so much fun.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant. You always say such nice things. And here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. If you're going to be mean, at least

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Speaker 1: be funny, because otherwise you're just wasting everybody's time. So

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Speaker 1: I was at the Podcast Awards on Friday night. I

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Speaker 1: may have mentioned it once or twimes, but I showed

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Speaker 1: up as I promised, in pajamas. The photos on my

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Speaker 1: Instagram you can go have a look at it, comment away,

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Speaker 1: But I did. I wore pajamas to the Irish Podcast

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Speaker 1: Awards because at the end of the day, if I

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Speaker 1: am not a Sherberd inspired retro sweet looking person, why

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Speaker 1: bother We are for dopamine dressing here and that's just

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Speaker 1: how it is. So I had such a great time.

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Speaker 1: I was really nervous about going because one, I'm an

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Speaker 1: anxious person anyway, because I've ADHD and an anxiety disorder,

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Speaker 1: So that's fun. And I decided to fly down on

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Speaker 1: my own. And I'm getting to the airport and it's

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Speaker 1: this wee rural airport and I had to get a

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Speaker 1: wee bus in it's on this wee bus and it's

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Speaker 1: me and a bunch of old ead pensionels and they're like,

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Speaker 1: are you on a Sheamus's lot. I'm like, no, I

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Speaker 1: don't know who Shemus is. I'm not entirely sure. I

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Speaker 1: know Samus well, I know one Shamus, but he's an

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Speaker 1: old man who you're tired now, I mean m But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm like nope, and like, oh, you look like one

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Speaker 1: it happens all the time, ha. And I get showing

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Speaker 1: you know, where Jimmy Johnny's house is. I get to

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Speaker 1: hear all about their holiday homes and where they live,

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Speaker 1: and also where the old barracks are and the place

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Speaker 1: that used to be a picturel's but is now somebody's house.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm getting all the gossip. It's fantastic. I fucking

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Speaker 1: love old people because they're funny and they give no shits.

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Speaker 1: But there was like a gang of them, and they

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Speaker 1: like bringing me in on the jokes. I'm like, Marrid,

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Speaker 1: by all. So I get to the airport and it's

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Speaker 1: which is not as slow as I was anticipating it

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Speaker 1: So I get there, I'll land down. I'm like, shit,

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Speaker 1: worth the two hundred and thirty year old. I would

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Speaker 1: So there's me, and you've got like radio DJs and

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Speaker 1: And then you get someone that me showing up like, hello,

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Speaker 1: So I show up and I say, this woman and

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Speaker 1: It's it's really cool. It's awesome, and I'm just like, hi, hello,

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Speaker 1: and and at one point, I'm just talking about my pajamas, right,

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Speaker 1: But I got myself so ordered it was fine. And

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Speaker 1: I'm chatting to Murder most Irish, and they were so sweet.

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Speaker 1: in a weird way, which was fucking love that they

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Speaker 1: was just a good night. It was really fucking sweet.

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Speaker 1: I loved it, so Andrew spending most of my time

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Speaker 1: Now I'm the crypt caper. I know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: You're thinking, quit your jibber jab, but in fact me,

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Speaker 1: in fact you I will. But first we've got to

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Speaker 1: in the British government's National archives. In Q, World's Last

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Speaker 1: Stand by Philip Horrer, Salome's Last Veil by Michael Kettle,

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Speaker 1: by Maud Allen, the verbatim report of the trial of

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Speaker 1: no Pemberton Billing MP on a charge of common libel.

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Speaker 1: We also have newspapers of the era, including The Times,

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Speaker 1: The Palmal Gazette, The Imperialist and The Vigilante, and finally

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Speaker 1: Modern Robbin on Trial by Lucy Bland. Are you sitting

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Speaker 1: comfortably good, then let's begin. That is, of course, if

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Also, the fact that I do

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Speaker 1: their refusal to acknowledge the concept of female desire and

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Speaker 1: a homophobic conspiracy theory. So in nineteen eighteen, Britain or

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Speaker 1: some Britons, i should say, believed that the Cult of

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Speaker 1: the Clutterists was deliberately undermining the British war effort. The

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Speaker 1: accusation being that Germany had these special female agents who

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Speaker 1: And all of this comes to a head in a

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Speaker 1: libel trial of all fucking things, involving a member of parliament,

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Speaker 1: a possibly fictional press, a barefoot dancer, and a dead playwright.

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Speaker 1: Canadian star of the day, Maud Allen originally born Ullah

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Speaker 1: Maud Alma Durant, which is basically a bit of a mouthful,

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Speaker 1: but in fairness, her brother was also called William Henry

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Speaker 1: Theodor Durant because apparently as many names as possible. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how expensive birth certificates are, but you

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Speaker 1: having an affair, a lesbian affair with the ex prime

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Speaker 1: minister's wife, Margot askeduth see Margot is a woman who

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Speaker 1: does not suffer fools lightly. So underneath this article of

425
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: the cult of the Clitorists, there's an article on Margot Asquith. Now,

426
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: she was the second wife of Herbert Asqueth, the previous

427
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: Prime minister, and he was widowed and they got married,

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00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: and she's like quick witted, she's smart. She moved around

429
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: in intellectual circles. She was strong willed, she was opinionated,

430
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: she did not the fuck down, and all of those

431
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: sort of characteristics in her made her the opposite of

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00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: the traditional concept of British femininity, you know, and what

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00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: was acceptable to people like Pemberton Billing. So under the

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00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: cult of Gluitterous article there is Margot and the snipers

435
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: basically saying that she's colluding with the Germans and that

436
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: she is going to be the equivalent of the previous

437
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: French prime minister's like wife who shot to a journalist

438
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: because he wrote like dodgy shit about her husband. She's

439
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: seen as a sleeky, sneaky, treacherous, fucking bitch like that

440
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: is the opinion that this Vigilante paper has of her.

441
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: And the whole purpose of these articles was for a

442
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: libel case to come about, like they wanted some and

443
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: to accuse them of libel because they are obsessed with

444
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Speaker 1: this forty seven thousand conspiracy. So for a good while

445
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: the Vigilante and whatever the previous version of this journal

446
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: was called, they were publishing these stories about this black

447
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: book owned by Germany, and the black book had the

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: name of forty seven thousand homosexual people in it. Ah, Yes,

449
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: we're completely reasonable and not at all in sae idea

450
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: that a country has a secret but not so secret

451
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: big Book of Gays that it's going to use to

452
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: destroy you. And because homosexuality, specifically male on male relationships

453
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: was illegal in Britain at the time, and it was

454
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: very controversial, very socially destructive and for a woman especially

455
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: of the time even fucking now, because the patriarchy sucks

456
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: that if your reputation was ruined, your life was basically over,

457
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: like you were unsavable, you were destroyed, tarnished, unworthy, and

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00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: they're absolutely not. Bonker's theory was that Germans were putting

459
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: pressure on these people and because they had, you know,

460
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: the Big Book of Gays, that they would release this

461
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: information and just fucking ruined lives just all over the shop.

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00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: And so people were pressured into working with the Germans

463
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: to undermine the British war effort. Like at one point,

464
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: blaming gay people just isn't enough, and they you know,

465
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: they sprinkle ins and anti Semitism and so they accuse

466
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: Jewish gay people as if it's some kind of gay

467
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: Jewish agenda. The real gay agenda of deliberately spreading venereal

468
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: diseases throughout like the British and Allied troops and order

469
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: to builp fuck up the war effort, disease all the

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Speaker 1: soldiers and get them sent off the battlefield and thus

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Speaker 1: win the war. So not only did they think gay

472
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: Jews were infiltrating the British army, seducing soldiers, and spreading

473
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: syphilis in Gonerhel, they were also accusing Lesbians of infiltrating

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Speaker 1: the British government via politicians' wives. And because they believed

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00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: all of these things to be true, they wanted a

476
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: libel case so that they could help promote it and

477
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: push it and just really get into this. And the

478
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: thing is, if maud Allen wasn't suing them for libel,

479
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: Margot Asquith probably would because she'd done it before.

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00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: She had been.

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00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Libeled for treason treason at least twice. So at one

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Speaker 1: point she's accused of taking presents to German prisoners of

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00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: war and of being an integral part of the plot

484
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: to kill Kitchener by sending secret signals to the submarine

485
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: that's Suncomb. The funny thing was like Margo won her

486
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: cases like I mean, if she was accused of treason,

487
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: bad things would happen. But she was able to prove

488
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: that it was all fucking billshit, right. But mod Alan's like,

489
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: fuck this for a game, Missldiers, I'm contesting this. I'm

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00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: being libeled. So when mod Allen brings forth this libel case,

491
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: he is ready billing, is ready with a plea of justification,

492
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: because of course he does. This smarmy piece of shit.

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00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: He says it's not defamation, because it's true. He says

494
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: that mode Allen was.

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00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: A lude unchased and a modern woman who was about

496
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: to give private performances of an obscene and indecent character,

497
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: which finally, we're designed to foster and encourage obstain and

498
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: unnatural practices amongst winning.

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00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: Because he's a misogynistic piece of shit, so she has

500
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: brought this libel case against him. He is the defendant, right,

501
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: And what happens is during this trial, maud Allen seems

502
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: to be the one who's on trial, right, because of

503
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: course it is because this is a woman who lives alone,

504
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: who does not fall within the pathetic, shitty standards of

505
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: the time, who is living her best life and is

506
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: doing rather well for herself. She also has the misfortune

507
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: of not being British, and because she had spent some

508
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: time in Germany that also made her like dodgy. And

509
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: then you throw in the fact that she's playing Salome,

510
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: which although I think is Turkish, I think technically it's

511
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: still seen as an other. And it's you know, it's

512
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: just all British racism with its roots deep buried in

513
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: and it's more who really deals with like the shit.

514
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: So the entire first day of the trial is Billings

515
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: basically cross examining her, and you're thinking, why is he

516
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: cross examining her? Because he is that arsehole who defends himself.

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00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: He is his own barrister, he is his own lawyer,

518
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: he's in his own defense. I mean, luckily enough, he

519
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: did actually train as a barrister. So it's not that shitty,

520
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's not I mean, it's still narcissistic, but

521
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as someone who's had no legal

522
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: training whatsoever, who thinks they can defend themselves. So he's

523
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: talking shit about mod Alan and the thing that really

524
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: turns the case against her, apart the fact that she

525
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: is a woman who exists because she understood the libelist

526
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: claims against her, because she knew what the libel was.

527
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: She was guilty of the fucking shit they accused her of,

528
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: which is so ridiculous. And to top it all off,

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: it is very fucking clear that there were two people

530
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: on trial and neither of them is no Pemberton Billing,

531
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: even though he is the defendant and he is the

532
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: one who should be on trial. It is very much

533
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: maud Allen and Margot Asquith that are being dragged through this.

534
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: So right back in that article which had the forty

535
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: seven thousand Big Book of Gay People owned by Germany whatever,

536
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: it mentioned lesbian ecstasy in which the most sacred secrets

537
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: of state were betrayed, and it all referencing Margot asked with,

538
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: and it keeps leaning into and playing with this rumor,

539
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: this gossip that's been going around for years that Margot

540
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: asked With was a lesbian. I mean, she could have

541
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: been by she might have been a lesbian, but a

542
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of it seems to stem from the fact that

543
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: she was naturally wealthy, she was born into wealth. But

544
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: we're not gonna hold this against her this one time,

545
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: because she's a funny fucker and she pisses this bitch off.

546
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: Margot was independently wealthy. She was really fucking clever, and

547
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: she was modern. She was a modern woman. She had

548
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: modern standards, and she gave a shit about herself, like

549
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: she didn't fall into the concept of British femininity and

550
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: what womanhood was. I keep ranting about this, but it's true.

551
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: She was also a bit of a dick. But again,

552
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: she was really funny. But she was also really generous

553
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: and because she just gifted things to her friends and

554
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: she helped other women, this also made her like a target.

555
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: But back to the case. When mon Allen appears in court,

556
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: she really plays up to that concept of femininity. So

557
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: she dresses in like a blouse which is a wee

558
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: bit too low, and she's got a cloak and a

559
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: nice wee hat. Right, she's dressed well and she's gone

560
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: there because she's accused of being a lesbian. She wants

561
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: to look more womanly as opposed to more masculine. And

562
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: there she sits in the old bailey after bringing forth

563
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: a libel case, as she fucking should, because she saw

564
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: this as a challenge to her honor and her respectability,

565
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: her social standing, like this could fuck her entire life up,

566
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: like these kind of statements, this gossip, this absolute tom fucker,

567
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: eh could just destroy her entire life. So she's at

568
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: the Old Bailey and she admits that she understood the

569
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: libel on site. She read it, she knew what it meant,

570
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: and she wasn't happy with the implication. Then Billing asks

571
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: her if she is well acquainted with the term clitoris,

572
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: and she's like, not particularly. And on top of this,

573
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: it is made very clear that she did not have

574
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: to explain, you know, the libel to her friends, like

575
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: they also understood its meaning. So because she and her

576
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: friends knew a what the clitoris was and b what

577
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: lesbians are this This is really where the shit hits

578
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: the fan for Maud and in one of the most

579
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: pathetic gotcha's in history, Billing turns around and he states

580
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: that he showed the libel the cult of clitoris to

581
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: twenty four men, and out of these twenty four men,

582
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: only one understood its meaning. I mean, are we really surprised? No, no,

583
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: we're not so. Then Billing brings forth his chief medical

584
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: witness on to the stand, and this part's incredibly worrying.

585
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: So doctor Cyril Cook, Cyril, not Cyril Cyril. He showed

586
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: the libel two fifty or sexty of his friends. He

587
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have an exact number, but he shows the libel

588
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: to fifty or sixty of his friends and none of

589
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: them understand. None of them know what it is, zero zilch, nada.

590
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: This is a medical professional who one would assume is

591
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: acquainted with other medical professionals, and none of them know

592
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: what a clitteriss is. I mean, I know, I know

593
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: it's the nineteen hundreds, right, but still, and then Billing

594
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: brings in Captain Spencer because he's the one who wrote,

595
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, the actual piece. He's the one who wrote

596
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: the headline. And he was asked why he chose this

597
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: specific phrase, and Spencer says that he had contacted a

598
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: village doctor who gave him the term clutteris and.

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00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: Told him the clutteris is a superficial organ the when

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00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 4: undula or a developed possess the most dreadful influence on

601
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 4: any woman, that she should know the most extraordinary things.

602
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: Unexaggerated clitterists might drive women to an elephant. Okay, somebody's

603
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: got confidence issues. So we've got doctor Cook, who says

604
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: that nobody but a medical man or people interested in

605
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: that kind of thing would understand the term clitoris.

606
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: So then you've got this other doctor, doctor Clark, who's asked,

607
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: is there any other person that would understand the term clitoris?

608
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: And he's like, m lesbians. And it's so fucking weird

609
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: that this entire thing boils down to understanding clutteress. So

610
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: not knowing the word meant that you were ignorant, and

611
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: you weren't like a pervert basically, but by knowing the

612
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: term and not being a medical professional, this meant that

613
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: you were some kind of sexual deviant, like that's that's

614
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: what this is. Another thing which really really fucked up

615
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: everything for Maud was her brother. So because her brother,

616
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: as we know, had killed those two young women, she

617
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: was seen as a herreditary deviant and unfortunate, herreditary deviant,

618
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: but herreditary deviant nonetheless, So because her brother did an

619
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: awful thing, clearly she too must be awful, like that

620
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: is that is what they're going with here, like they

621
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: both have to be the same. And because of her

622
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: brother's crime, Maude is labeled a sadist. As sadist because

623
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: of something her brother did, what the fuck. And then

624
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: of course we have Salome, the play that she's performing

625
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: and the fact that it very much seen as deviant

626
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: and criminal and dodgy as fuck, and Maud's response to

627
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: it all is basically that it's different times what would

628
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: have been seen as sort of not the done thing

629
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: now back then, in that era, in that culture, this

630
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been as shocking to like to Salomon, like

631
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: seeing that the severed head, it wouldn't be as weird

632
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: to her because this would have been something she would

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Speaker 1: have known throughout her life. And the fact that she's

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Speaker 1: not only standing up for the character and its existence,

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Speaker 1: because she's standing up for something which is so far

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Speaker 1: away from Britishness like this again makes her the other

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Speaker 1: in all of this. Oh bollocks, I almost forgot the

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Speaker 1: agent provocateur. Okay, So there's this woman Eileen, Yeah, I know,

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00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: this sexiest name for a provocateur. So she is sent

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Speaker 1: by Lloyd George to compromise billing, like she's supposed to

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Speaker 1: seduce him and fuck him up, basically to get some

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Speaker 1: dirt on him, and unfortunately, somehow she falls in love

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Speaker 1: with this man. Okay, okay, I mean I'm pretty sure

644
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: I've seen dish rags with a more sex appeal, but

645
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: that it was the olden days. It was a different time,

646
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Speaker 1: and people found creepy, misogynistic pieces of shit absolutely attractive. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: so she falls for him, and she defects effectively, and

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Speaker 1: she goes up in court and talks about this black Book,

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Speaker 1: the forty seven thousand names in the Black Book, and

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Speaker 1: you've got her and Spencer who are claiming to have

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Speaker 1: seen it, but war show it to anybody, like apparently

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Speaker 1: one of it, one of them was shown it by

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Speaker 1: the Prince of Albania, but like it always seems to

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Speaker 1: be just out with their grasp, like they can't show

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Speaker 1: anybody else it. But it's real, it's definitely there. So

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Speaker 1: they're asked about like the names that were in the book.

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Speaker 1: And Spencer again, the man who was discharged from the

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Speaker 1: British Army for insanity. He says that he will only

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Speaker 1: give the names of who he thinks has been approached

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Speaker 1: and succumbed to German agents. I will only give the

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Speaker 1: names to those I think have been approached and have

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Speaker 1: succumbed to German agents. Let's just think about that for

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Speaker 1: a week. Second, he will only give the names of

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Speaker 1: people who he thinks have been approached and succumbed by

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Speaker 1: German agents. Not the names of people he knows, but

666
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Speaker 1: just yes, because what's a lively leader to fuck it,

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Speaker 1: it's fine. So he names Margot askedwith and Lord Halden.

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Speaker 1: He does not remember killingly, mister Asquith's name being in

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Speaker 1: the book, Herbert, that's not there pictures Margot. So again Eileen,

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Speaker 1: she's like, I saw it too, those names were definitely

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Speaker 1: in the book, pinky promise and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the judge on the case, he says that, you know,

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Speaker 1: any information about this book is inadmissible in court unless

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Speaker 1: you physically show us the book. But nobody shows him

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Speaker 1: the book, and then they go on to discuss this

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Speaker 1: book at width in detail consistently over the course of

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Speaker 1: this trial. Like at one point Eileen says that the judge.

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Speaker 2: Is in the book, and he's like, get out of

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Speaker 2: my court, and she's like, nah, it is, it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's something.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely something. But like before the jury, you know,

683
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Speaker 1: was supposed to make the decision, the judge tells them,

684
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Speaker 1: you can't, you can't use any references to this book.

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Speaker 1: There's forty seven thousand names like that can't be part

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Speaker 1: of your decision. And then when Billing addresses the jury,

687
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Speaker 1: all he does is talk about like Germany and German

688
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: influence was infiltrating Britain and trying to take it down

689
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Speaker 1: from the inside, like man, have a cup of tea,

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Speaker 1: Sit down, God, I have sex with someone I don't

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Speaker 1: know who's consenting, Like what, get a fucking hobby. So

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Speaker 1: one of mud Allen's lawyers he does the closing argument,

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Speaker 1: and he goes on about how this stuff about the

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Speaker 1: forty seven thousand names doesn't really matter, and that Pemberton

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Speaker 1: Filling never proved his plea for justification and that all

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Speaker 1: he wanted was publicity and that's what you gave him,

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Speaker 1: and in doing so, he's attempting to destroy this woman.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that. That's bad, and this all male jury.

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Speaker 1: They go back, they delivery, and when they return they

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Speaker 1: find no Pemberton Filling, accused of libel, is not guilty,

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Speaker 1: and the crowd goes wild, like people are just throwing

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00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: hats in the air and cheering, and you know, apparently

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00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: calling a woman a lesbian, an assadist and a German

704
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Speaker 1: spy without any evidence totally killed in the nineteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic. This tonail of a man got to go

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Speaker 1: out in public and actively to fame a woman by

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Speaker 1: calling her a German loving, sadistic pervert and faced no

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Speaker 1: we percussions, all because her femininity was undesirable, because it

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Speaker 1: was that of a modern woman. So several months later, Eileen,

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Speaker 1: his mistress, she's convicted of bigamy and she breaks down

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Speaker 1: and confesses that everything she said on the trial was bullshit.

712
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: She'd made it up. It had been furs with billing.

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00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: They had practiced it beforehand so that she should come

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Speaker 1: on and dance little monkey dance in for Maude Allen.

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Speaker 1: As a result of this case, her European career just

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Speaker 1: fizzles out. She's seen as this dodgy deviant like evil women,

717
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: so she gives up on Europe and then she goes

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Speaker 1: back to the States and for Pemberan billing. By nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty one, he ends up just resigning from his seat

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Speaker 1: instead of losing it. So eventually all that you know,

721
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: shouting into the abyss, it gives up. So three years

722
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: later he has to give up his seat because it's

723
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: seen it is more respectable than losing it to someone else,

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Speaker 1: and there you go. That is the story of the

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00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: case of the Cult of Clutteress. Now what did we

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Speaker 1: learn today? We learned that any concept or expression of

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Speaker 1: womanhoo that does not fall specifically within the male gaze

728
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Speaker 1: will always be seen as other or deviant. We also

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Speaker 1: learned that, within the case of the Cult of the Clitteress,

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Speaker 1: that the truth not unlike the Clitteress, was incredibly difficult,

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Speaker 1: nigh impossible for men to find. If you liked my

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Speaker 1: telling of this tale, feel free to rate and review

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Speaker 1: five stars abs of fucking Lately do review. Say some

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Speaker 1: nice things, say some mean things. Tell me about your

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Speaker 1: favorite pajamas. Why not, love your best life and you

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Speaker 1: can follow me on all of the social media's. I

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Speaker 1: am on Instagram and TikTok on Facebook and Twitter. You

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Speaker 1: know to me on Twitter because I will talk back.

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Speaker 1: I am that person if you message me, and if

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00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: you message me, if you tweet me, I'll respond because

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Speaker 1: I will. It may take me a few hours because

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Speaker 1: I'm at work and also women a lot of pain,

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Speaker 1: but I'll get back to you. So today's episode is

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Speaker 1: dedicated to Emma Eerie, zary Error, zary Ira sorry, it's sorry.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Emma. You know I tried, and I

746
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: think that's what matters, because I wasn't. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what nationality that your curtain name comes from, so I

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Speaker 1: couldn't even hazard a guest, to be honest, but I tried.

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Speaker 1: And this episode is dedicated to you. You're welcome, you

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Speaker 1: got you got a good one. What episode did you get?

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Speaker 1: Dedicated it? It's fine. I don't need to say it aloud.

752
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: It's it's okay. So before I go, it's recommendation time.

753
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: So I want to recommend Murder Most Irish. That's for listening.

754
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: I was traveling back from Dublin and I listened to

755
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: like so so many episodes, Emma, Sarah, Jane Colin. They're

756
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: just absolute delights. I fucking love them. They are They're just.

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00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: They're fun and they're irreverent and witty and it's just

758
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: and it's crime, which is nice. So it's good and

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00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: it's Irish crime. So if you like that or crimes

760
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: in Ireland also, maybe yes, just check them out. They

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00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: really good for watching. Oh, House of the Dragon, listen,

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00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm into it. I like it. You can judge me

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00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: if you want. That's fine, but I'm enjoying it. Go

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Speaker 1: watch it. And for reading, I am reading currently. I

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00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: just started reading I'm Glad that My Mom Died by

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00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: Jeanett McCarthy. It's finally here, so oh yeah, before I go.

767
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: So I opened up the box. I was like, oh, look, mom,

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Speaker 1: on your books here, and my mother gave me such

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00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: side eye. Probably not the best book to sort of

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Speaker 1: wave gleefully at your mother. Yep. Not not a good idea,

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00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: not the best idea. But it is a good read.

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Speaker 1: It is heart wrenching, but it's really good. It's really good.

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Speaker 1: So that's it. That's everything, and I shall bid you

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Speaker 1: good night. Adios au Revoir of w Ism, my friends,

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Speaker 1: bye bye,