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Please 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: be aware the thoughts and opinions expressed by the host 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: are their thoughts and opinions only and do not reflect 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: We would like to encourage you to do your own 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. You are 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Lights with me Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM para 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: normal Podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each week, 16 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: this is the place you go to to hear the 17 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: latest stories and news, thoughts, opinions, insights on so many 18 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: different topics, from angels to aliens, big foot to holy encounters. 19 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: This show is all about it and I want you 20 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: to know that you can go to my mad website, 21 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: which is Heidi Hollice dot com. Tell me what's on 22 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: your mind, tell me your stories, and if you want 23 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: to ask questions, I will do my best to give 24 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: the best insight that I can to shut some light 25 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: on these things, because sometimes you just have to vent, right. 26 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: I know that I do, and it really is helpful 27 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: for me when I get it off my chest or 28 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: shadow folks dot com. If you don't know how to 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: spell Heidi. A lot of people don't believe it or not. 30 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: I know because I go to Starbucks and they do 31 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: tend to not spell my name accurately. But that's okay. 32 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: It's not a common name. I haven't met many Hidis 33 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: in my lifetime, so I get it. Um So, anyways, again, 34 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: tell me what you'd like me to talk about here 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: on this show, because that's what it's all about. And 36 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: I have had several people tell me about a certain 37 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: topic that I can also relate to when it comes 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: to reincarnation. Yeah, we sometimes think that we may have 39 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: been here before, and I, for one can say I 40 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: have some inclinations on some things and rather interesting details 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: that I think you might find interesting. And um, you know, 42 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: I like to dabble in all sorts of topics. I 43 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: don't like to just sit and uh not get the 44 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: answers that I have a curiosity about. But there was 45 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: one that's always eluded me for a very long time. 46 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: And uh you know, I said, my New Year's resolution 47 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: is going to be about me being more honest about 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: my spiritual understandings. And uh so, I'm going to be 49 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: more painfully honest than usual about some of the things 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: that I've come across and come to understand, especially in 51 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: these last couple of years. And uh so I'm going 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: to share something about what might be potentially a reincarnation 53 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: type of situation for myself that I recall. And um 54 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: so here goes the story. So I was still in 55 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: college and I was talking to my college roommate, just 56 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: sitting on the couch, sitting on my foot on and 57 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: I got up off my couch and I went to 58 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: go walk across the living room and I was just 59 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: gonna go use the restroom really quick, and we're having 60 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: a conversation. And as I go take a few steps 61 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: away from the couch, I mean, all of a sudden, 62 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: my vision was changed. I wasn't in my living room anymore. 63 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: Suddenly I was looking at a scene in space, and 64 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: I knew what I was looking at was the center 65 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: of the universe. And in the center of the universe 66 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: was this big bright light. It was a spinning sun. 67 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: Is the best that I can um compare it to. 68 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: And there were stars everywhere, and I mean the stars, 69 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: I get goose bumps. They were so close, closer than 70 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: I'd ever seen. And I knew this place. I knew 71 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: this place like it was my backyard, like the back 72 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: of my hand. I mean, it was so familiar. And um, 73 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: the sun, it was spinning and it and it spun clockwise, okay, 74 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: and up to the looking at it from year from 75 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: this planet to the upper left, there was a spinning 76 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: red light. And I knew that place, that spinning red 77 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: light was like a library of knowledge, like anything and 78 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: everything that's ever happened got stored there. And it's just 79 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: so wild to me. And I'm never bored and sharing 80 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: this and I probably shared a little bit on this 81 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: in the past, but this is, uh, this always takes 82 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: me back. Um So, when I'm looking at this scene 83 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: in space, I see there's trillions upon trillions of lights 84 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: in this spinning sun. Okay, and each of these lights, 85 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: I know it's a soul, and I'm one of those lights, 86 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: one of those souls. And I compare it to being 87 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: like a love soup, because the light was just love, 88 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: and I knew it had a name. It was called 89 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: the source um thoughts, ideas, goals, missions, lifetimes. Everybody and 90 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: all the lights contributed to a thought that went clockwise 91 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: in this light too, so it would spin with us, 92 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: these thoughts ideas, and everybody would would would contribute to 93 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: the thought as it passed them, and then it would 94 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: go to the center of the light and it would 95 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: become one like it was agreed upon, like this was it. 96 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: And the thought came by on a mission, literally, a 97 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: mission that needed to be done, and I remember thinking, yeah, 98 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: that's something I could do. And as soon as I did, 99 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: I was shot out of this light, this love soup, 100 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: and it just like pulled my heart, like I just 101 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: felt like saying, I take it back, because it hurts 102 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: so bad to be taken from there. But I was 103 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: sent to go get trained on other places, so many places, 104 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: to be prepared for this life that I'm living right now, 105 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: to be born here right now, to be working on 106 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: the things that I have been working on now and 107 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 1: um it's just a while to me, but part of 108 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: my reason for being here, believe it or not, all 109 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: the big part is to be here and forming on 110 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: the topic of shadow people and the Hatman phenomenon. Shadow 111 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: people being these shape shifting, demonic like entities that have 112 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: essentially not originated from this planet but from others. That 113 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: sounds strange, doesn't it. But when you think of negativity 114 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: being a force, doesn't matter where it comes from. You know, 115 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: we see God angels as being from elsewhere and from 116 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: above as well little negativity, uh fallen angels? Where have 117 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: they fallen from? Well? These negative things have come from elsewhere? 118 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: And uh so shadow people um work for a demonic 119 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: head or what I named as hat Man. And as 120 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: also I've learned um by just an image of Rudolf 121 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: Steiner's carving of something called Ariman, it is the same 122 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: creature hat Man is Ariman Um. If you don't know 123 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: what that is, feel free to look up my show 124 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: where I talk about that, and it's called Ariman. So 125 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I think you'll you'll find that to be interesting. So 126 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: and what is hat Man? Um? He is today's modern 127 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: day devil and he will tell you he is as well. 128 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: Funny thing looking at the statue of Arimon and Rudolf 129 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: Steiner said this as the devil as well, So not 130 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: a coincidence. So yeah, coming um, having these memories and 131 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: knowing what I came here for, is uh been something 132 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: of a trip and something I've always tried to find 133 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: answers for that if other people have experienced such a thing, 134 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: if other people spontaneously remembered where they came from. Now mind, 135 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: Joe was standing in the middle of my living room 136 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: when all this came to me. What I was supposed 137 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: to be doing, and I just wanted to drop out 138 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: of school. I didn't want to be training anymore. I 139 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: was just done. I just I had a very difficult 140 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: time wanting to be here, to be working on petty 141 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: things like a degree. I just wanted to get on 142 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: top of what I came here for so I could 143 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: return home. Not that I wanted to die, but I 144 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: wanted to hurry up and get back home. That that 145 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: was what was important to me. It was so difficult, Um, 146 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: but it's interesting. I came across Uh, my guest here today, 147 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: and he researches reincarnation and I popped the question to 148 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: him and his research group about people who spontaneously recall 149 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: where they came from, and it was not something commonly 150 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: heard of. And I know this because I've asked many 151 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: of people over the years and researchers, and I just 152 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: can't seem to find anyone who has heard of such 153 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: a thing. And I believe it might have been my 154 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: first incarnation, my first memory before other incarnations. So it's 155 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: just kind of kind of different. But you know, I'm 156 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: not certain I remember what I do, just to like 157 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: put me on track to uh get started. So I 158 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: have landed where I am today here talking to you guys. Um. 159 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's been quite a ride and I'm 160 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: always learning. And this is why I always say I 161 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: don't judge people for what they believe to be true 162 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: for themselves, because hello, I'm the Queen of weird. Um, 163 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But it's like, how how can I 164 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: place judgment on people to say, oh, no, that's going 165 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: too far. I have seen and experience some extraordinary things, 166 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: and I am not a guru, I'm not a psychic, 167 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a no at all. I'm just like anybody 168 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: else trying to better understand this very strange reality that 169 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: we are all in. And uh, I'm telling you, after 170 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: I recalled all of this, I remember one of the 171 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: first words, and here's my friends sitting there, and I'm like, 172 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: how could I forget? How could I forget? How could 173 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: I forget? Who I am? And what I came here for? 174 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: Were my exact words. I was so taken aback by 175 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: getting distracted and off the path of what I knew 176 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: I came here for. And uh, you know, it's a 177 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: strange and rare thing. I guess for people to have 178 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: that kind of memory that kind of recalled, But you know, children, 179 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: children are more likely to have these types of understandings 180 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: because they're so freshly here. I didn't quite understand then 181 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: why I had the memory return, but now I really 182 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: really do. And I always say I'm painfully honest about 183 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: the things that I understand that I've come my way. 184 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: But there has been a very major topic that I 185 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: have not addressed, and um, for what good reason, With 186 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: good reason, it has a lot of attachments to it. 187 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: And I promised myself that I'm going to tackle it 188 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: this year, and I will be doing that. So in 189 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: the near future, I'll find a way. Oh boy, But 190 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: you guys are in for a treat because we're gonna 191 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: talk all reincarnation and I think it's I think it's 192 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: going to really be a pleasant surprise what you learn here. 193 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: All right, you guys, You are listening to Dark Becomes 194 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 195 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM para normal podcast network. Stick around, 196 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: We will be right back. Okay, folks, we need your music. Hey, 197 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: it's producer Tom at Coast to Coast AM and every 198 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: first Sunday of the month, we play music from emerging 199 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: artists just like you. 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You are listening to 207 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Life with me Heidi Hollis on the I 208 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 209 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: As promised, I have a fabulous guest, James or Jim 210 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Matlock received a b a In English from Emory University 211 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: and a PhD in anthropology from the University of Southern 212 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Illinois at Carbondale. He has worked at the American Society 213 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: for Psychical Research in New York City and at the 214 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: Rhine Research Center in Durham, North Carolina, and is presently 215 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: a research fellow of the Parapsychology Foundation in New York. 216 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Jim manages a popular Facebook group called Signs of Reincarnation 217 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: and teach us a fifteen week online grad level seminar 218 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: on reincarnation research and theory. He is the author of 219 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Signs of Reincarnation, exploring beliefs, cases and theory, and as 220 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: a co author of I Saw a Light and Came 221 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: Here Children's Experiences of Reincarnation. So I'd like to give 222 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: a warm welcome to Jim Metlock. How are you doing 223 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: to day, Jim, I'm just fine, glad to be here. 224 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. You have been 225 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: involved in a lot of areas of research in so 226 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: many different forms that involve reincarnation, and I'm I'm curious 227 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: what got you involved in this topic. My my lifelong dream, 228 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, at least into childhood until until through college 229 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: was I wanted to be a writer, you know, a 230 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: fiction writer. But you know, I struggled, like many writers do. 231 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: We just couldn't make money at it. So I decided, well, 232 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do some nonfiction. So I went 233 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: to my local library. Um. I was living in Arlington, 234 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: Virginia at the time, and so I went to my 235 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: local library and he was looking around, and I've gotten 236 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: interested in necessary time things started looking in that area, 237 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: and I came up books of reincarnation. Right. Uh, this 238 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: was back late seventies, you know, so there wasn't the 239 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: New Age stuff was beginning to come out then. Um. 240 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: And that's that's basically that there was. And there were 241 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: some of you and Stevenson's books too, um, and I 242 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: sort of looked at them, but they were different from 243 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: the others. So I started off with the easy ones, right, 244 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: and then got to Stevenson later. But when I got 245 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: to Stevenson, I saw the difference immediately, and that's what 246 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: got me hooked. But it wasn't you know, I didn't 247 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: grow up with thinking about it, you know, that's how 248 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: it got into it. That's amazing. Do you know people 249 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: that experienced this and just so happened to bring this 250 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: up to you. It seems to be that when people 251 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: are involved in a certain area of such research, it 252 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: just seems like you're you've got a target painted on 253 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: your back. Like people suddenly spontaneously start speaking on these things. 254 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: Has that been something that you've experienced, Well, yeah, you know, 255 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes I mean, you know, uh, it used to 256 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: be Adam costs so much now, But when I was younger, 257 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, and I would talk about it at parties whatever, 258 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: some people would say things, yeah you know, and I 259 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: did some you know, I started doing interviews then, you know, 260 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: but um, but it has should have changed over times 261 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: as I got more involved in the professional aspect of it. 262 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I just you know, it's the way I 263 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: dealt with it changed, That's an amazing. I just find 264 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: these odd coincidence to be of importance somehow, Like we 265 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: get triggers through our lifetime and uh, it points us 266 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: in that direction and we when we reflect back or 267 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: like oh yeah, you know, so and so did say 268 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: something or this happened, And I just find those uh, 269 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: those little markers along our past to be so important. 270 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: What what have been some of these revelations that you 271 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: found and some of your deep research into these topics. 272 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: I let me just say, I mean I've done too 273 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: captive research. I've done sort of book research, right, reading 274 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: and studying, and and I've also done research by talking 275 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: to people, right, so uh, you know, and then investigating 276 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: cases going beyond just talking to people. But actually, if 277 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: there's a good case of this and we I need 278 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: to so maybe explain for for listeners who don't know 279 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: what it is that I'm studying, what it is that 280 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: I'm stepping right, you know, And that is what what 281 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: what reincarnation research is interested in at least mine what 282 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: would I do is not not the regression stuff, not 283 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: past life aggression, which many people associated with the re 284 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: incarnation research, but with people, um, particularly young children, and 285 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: they could be two or three years old, and I 286 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: was even younger than that when they began to start 287 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: saying things and relating memories of previous lives. And that's 288 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: what I'm interested in. The young children who you know, 289 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: talk about previous lives seem to remember them, um, because 290 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: when it's sometimes with the young kids, they'll say enough things, 291 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: they'll remember names, they'll remember enough details that you can 292 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: actually go and figure out who they were, what whose 293 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: life they're remembering, right, Um, And then once you've made 294 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: that connection and know who they're talking about, then you 295 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: can compare the tow those two lives and that's where 296 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: it really gets fascinating. And so that's that's sort of 297 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, is that is that typical for those who 298 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: look into the topic of reincarnation. Do they generally look 299 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: for the young children or are there some that specialized differently? Well, 300 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: you know they're beginning to get some who specialized in 301 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: adult cases. Uh, but yes. Ian Stevenson, who started this 302 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: this step systematically in the nineteen sixties, worked mainly with children. 303 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: He also worked with some older subjects too, but mainly 304 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: with children because it turned out that they have the strongest, 305 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: most developed kind of memories and uh, the most likely 306 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: we use the word solved. That's when we've we've actually 307 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: begin being able to verify and trace the previous person 308 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: that they're talking about. Um. Uh, they have the better 309 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: developed cases. I mean, they have more memories, they have 310 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: behaviors that turned out to correspond to themes that first, 311 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: they may have had physical traits that correspond, it turns out, 312 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: to the previous person. So UM, he preferred to work 313 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: with young children for that reason partly and the other 314 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: the other the other the other part of the reason 315 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: was that um from an evidential point of view, because 316 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: he was trying to show that this stuff you really 317 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: can't explain any other way except for reincarnation. UM, is 318 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: that with young kids, you can you can be pretty 319 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: sure because they've been at the home the whole time, 320 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: right around their mothers or whatever. Um, they haven't been 321 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: out and um. Uh he worked a lot overseas you know, 322 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: and back in the sixties and seventies where you know, 323 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: many of these families didn't have TV, there wasn't internet 324 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: and all this, and so there weren't many sources of 325 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: information right outside the family. So you could be relatively 326 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: sure that the kids couldn't have learned these things that 327 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: they're saying somewhere. So interesting. So some of these patterns 328 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: that you share and some of your research, can you 329 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: share here what some of those patterns are? Sure? Um, 330 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: when we start with sort of the basic ones, UM, 331 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: the kids start really early, I mean, as I say, 332 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: two or three up to maybe four, you know, five 333 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: is when they start talking about the memories. And then 334 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: after five they're usually not always, but usually they start 335 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: to fade UM. And so you have this short window 336 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: here where you can get them. You know, you can 337 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: find them. You know, they're really interesting um, the ones um. 338 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: And then as they get older, you know, and in 339 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: later childhood mostly they have faith um, but not always. 340 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: We know now we have studies now with memory past LAFE, 341 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: memory attention, and we know that some some children retain 342 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: some of their memories into adulthood, but by and large 343 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: so they tend to forget. So those are those are 344 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: part of the patterns cross culturally that we see and 345 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: over time, because we have these cases going way way 346 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: back in time. Now people have found them mentioned in 347 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: very early historical sources UM. And it's always the same 348 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: sort of thing, all right. So along with that, you 349 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: know there'll be these there will be memories, just spontaneous memories, 350 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: right that they'll talk about sentims and dreams, but very 351 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: often with the young kids, just in the waking state. 352 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: And then when you when you can verify their memories 353 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: and identify the previous person solved the case, then you 354 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: can compare the two lives, and then that's when you 355 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: start seeing that their personalities are the same, that they're 356 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: behaving in ways that are similar. Right. You know, maybe 357 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: they have a birthmark, it corresponds to something. It can 358 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: be a wound, many people know about that, but it 359 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: can also be like urine coals or something. Anything that's 360 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: personal to the person can show up as a birth mark. 361 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: And sometimes birth defects too. So those are the basic 362 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: sort of things that we see. That's amazing. So the 363 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: children that you've come across, you mentioned going overseas. Uh 364 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: prior that, a lot of a lot of the research 365 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: that I was coming across did seem to gather a 366 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: lot of information from overseas. Is it is it culturally 367 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: more acceptible in these places? Are you know what what 368 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: are you doing with that? Yeah? Sure, because if you're 369 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: going to place like India or Burma or Thailand, you 370 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: know their Buddhist or Hindi Hindi cultures, right, they believe 371 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: in reincarnation, and so there isn't so much resistance when 372 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: you have these children. Or in the Middle East, like 373 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: the Jewish people believe in reincarnation, and when you go 374 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: into a society that already has that belief in place, 375 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: and you've got a kid who you know who who 376 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: seems to remember a previous life, you sort of more 377 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: accept it. Whereas in the States or in Britain or 378 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 1: in Europe, you know, it's it's becoming. It's different now 379 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: people do listen and pay attention more than they used to, 380 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: but there's still sort of the tendency to be wary 381 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: of it, right and not take it so seriously. Um. 382 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: But but these cases do occur in the West too. 383 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: It's not that the parents are encouraging this pattern and 384 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: these other cultures, though, is it or why it's coming 385 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: forward so much more easily? Sometimes? Yeah, No, it's not necessarily. 386 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: In fact, they'll often discourage it because they're afraid of it, 387 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: and they have various techniques to actually try to suppress 388 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: the memories, and some of these it's kind of magical 389 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: and they seem silly, like turning the kids counterclockwise in 390 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: the Potter's Wheeld something like that, right, is supposed to 391 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: inhibit the memories because they're afraid various things. They can 392 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: be afraid that, uh, they're going to cost problems for 393 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: them if they get older. They can be afraid that 394 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: if the cases solved, the other family is going to 395 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: come want to get them. Uh, they can be afraid 396 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: if if the kids are remembering the murderer, that if 397 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: the murderer is gonna come kill them or somethings like this, 398 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: you know. So so yeah, even in these cultures, even 399 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: though they're more receptive, they're not necessarily encouraging. And that's 400 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: something I hadn't thought of. You know, if they were 401 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: murdered or something, or past life might come to haunt 402 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: them in that regards. But that's that's yeah, so something 403 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: that food for thought. Um, well, we're gotta get to 404 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: our next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark 405 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 406 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, 407 00:25:44,640 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Ye, welcome back. You are listening 408 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 409 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 410 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: I have Jim Mattlock who is speaking about his fascinating 411 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: research when it comes to reincarnation, and we're speaking of children, 412 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: especially those overseas that come from different backgrounds, and uh 413 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: have interesting reasons why the family might suppress some of 414 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: the memories. I thought it was something more supportive, but Jim, 415 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: you give a really interesting uh angle on it to 416 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: to think that some of these families are uh they 417 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: would see it as being problematic for them in their 418 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: future that they would recall such a thing, or even 419 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: if they were murdered, that the past murderer might come 420 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: to get the kid or something. So that's perspectives I 421 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: certainly would have never thought of, because when I think 422 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: of reincarnation, I don't know about others, but I think of, 423 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: you know, big gaps between lifetimes. But what is the 424 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: pattern that you're seeing with that, with the time period 425 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: between lifetimes with these children? Yeah, yeah, okay, that's that's 426 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: a really good question and something that yeah that because 427 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: many people do think of a very long time between lives, 428 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: maybe even centuries um. And there is a difference between 429 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: Asia and the West, because we do have these cases 430 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: in the West too, but in Asia, the time the 431 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: period between lives is often only a month for most 432 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: a few years. The median um time is only like 433 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: fifteen months, right, you know, median That means they're half 434 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: as many shorter and half as many longer. So there 435 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: are plenty with longer too, but um, but fifteen months, 436 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: and that's between death and rebirth in in that in 437 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: that short period of time, not all that much has changed, 438 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: right and and so when you solve a case, when 439 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: you verify it and the kids uh. And the other 440 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: thing in Asia is that most of these lives are 441 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: not lived not that far away again talking about the median, 442 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: it's only kilometers like fifteen point five miles. That's all 443 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: the distance between the lives, um. And and that means 444 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: that the kids can go back there right and they 445 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: can meet the people that they were before, or the 446 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: families can be afraid that they will right um. And 447 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: so so that's why it's there's two things in combination. 448 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: That they live at the previous lives not long before 449 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: and then not far not far away. They create these 450 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: sorts of fears. And that's what you see in Asia 451 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: is that that's an interesting pattern, so that people often 452 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: reincarnate within their same community. There's less adjustment period, that's 453 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: for sure. I would imagine that doesn't happen all the time. 454 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: So is that the odd person out all the time 455 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: out of games and social activities. Are they being reincarn 456 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: needed and culture they're not used to potentially potentially? I 457 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: mean there are what we call these international cases or 458 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: inter case to um. Within a country, it's it's not 459 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: always you know, within your what i'd like to call 460 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: comfort zone. You know you're saying, but but very often 461 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: it's it isn't the same ethnic group, the same religious group, 462 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: um uh, as well as the same region. Uh. Now 463 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: in larger countries like the United States, it could be 464 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: more of a distance, but still in the United States, right, so, UM, 465 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: but yes, there are some cultures, there are some there 466 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: are some cases that the previous life was in a 467 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: very different culture. Uh. These international cases they really interesting. 468 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: You know what makes me think of I'm sure you've 469 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: heard of when people cross over to the other side 470 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: and they mentioned having these soul groups, these family soul groups, 471 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: and it's as if they experience the life on that 472 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: side and come back even always together on this side. 473 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: So if there's many family members, are so members still 474 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: on this side, they reincarnate, uh potentially to be back 475 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: with them. Is that something that's very plausible? Well, I 476 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: guess it's a little bit complicated. On the one hand, Yes, 477 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: we do see a lot of cases like family connections, 478 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: like particularly if a child dies very young, it's very 479 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: likely to come back to the same parents, and there 480 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: there can be other you know, even if you know 481 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: grandparents often come back as grandkids, you know, a great 482 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: grandchildren or something. I mean, there are a lot of 483 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: cases that are in family connections like that. Um. But 484 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: beyond family connections, although there are cases, there plenty of 485 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: cases with with acquaintance connections. We call them the family 486 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: acquaintance strangers a big classifications here. Still there are a 487 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: lot of stranger cases too, so so yeah. On the 488 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: one hand, we do see reincarnations to people we knew before, 489 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: right um. But on the other hand, you asked about, 490 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, the intermission period is what we call at 491 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: the period between lives that just started period. Yes, um yeah, 492 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean if we don't see at least in these 493 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: spontaneous cases, these cases where you know, where the kids 494 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: are just talking about their memories, they don't talk about 495 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: having been with soul groups, um so much. I mean, 496 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: it's an idea that's definitely out there, and you get 497 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: it in the in the regression stuff, which you don't 498 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: get it in the spontaneous cases, which is quite interesting. 499 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: We just don't um it's very rare uh that um 500 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: uh that they see somebody there that they later reincarnate with. Further, 501 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: so those cases people where they make a soul connection, 502 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: like they met they met their soul mate and they're 503 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: just like, this was meant to be. Do you find 504 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: sometimes that it was meant to be because they actually 505 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: did know each other priorly or well? Yeah, I mean 506 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: that's sort of the assumption when people that's often what 507 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: they mean by soul mates, people who've been together before. Um, 508 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, you know, and it's possible, right, I mean, 509 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: if you're reincarnating in the same area life afterca makes 510 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: a lot you can run into the same people again. 511 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: But you know, but we don't see I think in 512 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: the cases now it may be. I mean, we only 513 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: have like seventeen hundred uh solt cases and it's a 514 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: fair number, right, But if you think about how many 515 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: people there are, it's not very many, you know, and 516 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: so it's a really quite a small sample. In one way, 517 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: it's a big sample, but in other ways it's really 518 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: a small sample, and we have to keep that in mind. 519 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: So you know, what we see in that sample isn't 520 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: necessarily representative of everything that's going on, right, and we 521 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: need to keep that in mind too. Uh, But in 522 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: those seventeen cases in it's a little bit more than that. 523 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: But in that seventy plus cases, we just we don't 524 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: see that sort of thing, right, We don't see when 525 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: we compare two lives, we don't see people hooking up again, 526 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, in two lives when a case becomes solved, 527 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: that's interesting. So there's seventeen hundred that have been solved 528 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: where you're able to connect the dots and figure out, um, 529 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: where a child may have come from. So it's kind 530 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: of a big deal when you're able to connect those 531 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: dots that I thought this was something that happens a 532 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: lot more often. But huh, that's that's interesting in this field. 533 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: Having been in it for long, I've come across many 534 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: of people who say, oh, I have a memory of 535 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, connected the dots is the challenge that that 536 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: is not an easy feat. But I think there's a 537 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: lot of people that have tidbits. Yeah, I um, Now, 538 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: that's seventeen comes from Ian Stevenson's UH collection at the 539 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: at the University of Virginia, does and count other cases 540 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: that others of us have have investigated. So it's more 541 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: than seventeen hundred, but I don't think quite eighteen hundred yet. 542 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: Um of these cases that have been solved. Now, I 543 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: have a Facebook group called Signs offic Incarnation and a 544 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: lot of people come out there and tell their stories 545 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: and it's quite interesting. I mean, you know a lot 546 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: of I would say in the West, but we hear, 547 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: particularly in the United States for some reason, we hear 548 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: a lot of family connections, family cases, and so if 549 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: we include all of them, we're going to get a 550 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: lot more right because those are solved. Those are relatively 551 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: easy solved riety if it's a family member, um, you 552 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: know who it was. But uh, in the se cases, 553 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: the majority of them are not family moms. So that 554 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: makes it much harder yourself. Um, and that may be 555 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: that may be one factor or a big factory keeping 556 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: another step. Yeah, that's uh, that's interesting point to make. 557 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: It's like you're saying, like there's a an inner realization. 558 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: I I've seen some programs on television and uh, the 559 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: conversations are you know, a child having a memory of 560 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: something that happened to a brother that passed or something, 561 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: and it's like and then they were born and it's like, oh, 562 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: it's you know. I wonder how many conversations happen around 563 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: the kitchen table that just don't get reported because problem solved. 564 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: Mom recognizes that story. It was her childhood passed reincarnated, right, 565 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: And I think, uh, you know, but more and more 566 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: people are talking about They talk about it in my 567 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: group and other you know, yeah, you know, in other 568 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: groups on Facebook and read it and all over social media. Uh, 569 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: they're talking about these things now much more than they're 570 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: used to. Um So, I don't think it's that we 571 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: have more of this sort of thing going on now. 572 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: I think it's just people feel freer to talk about 573 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: it and definitely a lot more accepted. And uh, it's 574 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: kind of a cool thing to watch because when you 575 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: have the inner knowing and and it's nice to be 576 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: comforted knowing you're not the only one. I think it's uh, 577 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of difference out there. And uh 578 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: so the research continues. Where are you diving into now? Well, Yeah, 579 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: I've got I've got one case that I've pretty much 580 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: finished investigating that. I've got a paper in press or 581 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: at least under submission, for it hasn't quite gotten. When 582 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: you you send things to purview journals, right, the peers 583 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: have true viewed them, right, and they send you back 584 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: their comments and then you have to revise. And that's 585 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: with the stages. I haven't yet gotten the comments back 586 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: from the reviewers. UM. But this is an interesting case. 587 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: It's an American case, UM of a guy who in 588 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: a dream. At first, he also had some waking memories, 589 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: but he had a he had a nightmarish dream started 590 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: off his night terrace when he's really young, and then 591 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: a dream, a nightmare of having UM I died UM 592 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: when his car, the car he was writing in UM, 593 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: was caught in a flood and just by luck he 594 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: managed to uh to figure it out. He happened to 595 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: be watching UM something on YouTube that was about a 596 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: major flood UH in the in the Los Angeles area 597 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: back in seven. I mean, UH, people out on the 598 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: West coast maybe where you know, they may know a 599 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: bit what most some East coast you know, we're just not. UM. 600 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: It was a seven New Year's it was a major flood. 601 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, let's hold it right there, Jim, so we 602 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: get to our next break. You guys, you are listening 603 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 604 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 605 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: Stick around, We'll be right back with age. 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You are listening to Dark Becomes 614 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 615 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I have 616 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: Jim Luck and he was sharing about a fascinating story 617 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: about a man who had initially dreamt of drowning in 618 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: a flood in nineteen thirty seven. You said, Jim pleased 619 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: to conte yes night seven. Uh, but yeah, he had 620 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: this nightmarish dream um for years, I mean, and it 621 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: would cause him to wake up, uh from it? You know, 622 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: and he felt like you he had caught him this 623 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: flood and uh he had died uh in it. Uh. 624 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: And then he was watching um uh a program on 625 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: YouTube and uh you know, and it gave him the 626 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: clue and he figured it out and what it was 627 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: related to actually was in a major, major event a 628 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: night what's called the nineteen thirty seven New Year's flood 629 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: in the l A area. Um, you know, and this 630 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: continues to happen that you get these floods there, right, 631 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean you know every few years, Um, you get 632 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: these fires there. Right, it burns off all the vegetation. 633 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: And then did the rains come? Right, you don't get 634 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: that much rain out there, and so when the rains follow, 635 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 1: major rains follow the burn off of all of the vegetation, 636 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: you can get mud slides. And that's what happened here. 637 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: It was a major, major mudslide in seven. Um. It 638 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: happened New Year's Day, early New Year's Day. This and 639 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: this is a sex change case. He was a girl, 640 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 1: um and she was uh driving with their family. They 641 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: had spent New Year's Eve with friends and they were 642 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: driving back home, um, and they just got caught in 643 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: a freak a freak accident here where one of the 644 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: streams flowing down from the mountains, Uh, carrying this huge 645 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: inundation of water, just caught their car. They just happened 646 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: to be on the bridge at the wrong time. And Uh, 647 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: but it happened exactly as as as she had dreams, 648 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: as he dreamted, he happened. Is there really very interesting? Uh? 649 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: Is sorry for that reason? Uh? And you know, this 650 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: points up something that I should note because we were 651 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,720 Speaker 1: talking earlier about the cases in Asia having very short 652 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: in emissions between lives. Here we're talking about an American 653 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: case that had a much longer right, and that's typical 654 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: in the Western cases. Instead of just fifteen months, which 655 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: is the global median in emission length, we're talking about 656 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: thirty years, right, So a big difference. Um, you know, 657 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: So it's it's really so what so him having a 658 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: memory of this is not that unusual really for an 659 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: American case. That's amazing. Do you think there's a reason 660 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: behind that why there's such a big difference in the timing. Yeah, 661 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of a reason. But 662 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: what I you know, I think one possibility is we 663 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: have this idea we have in the West, we have 664 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: this expectation. It's a part of our culture that we're 665 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: going to meet loved ones we die, right, and so 666 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: maybe they hang around for us, you know, because they 667 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: expect to be there for us. There they expect to 668 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: see us, right, and that could be part of it. 669 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: Another another possibility is in Asia, you've just gotta much 670 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: greater population density and along with that much higher birth rate, right, 671 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: and so there's more opportunity to come back faster. And 672 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: so maybe it's a combination of those things. We don't 673 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: really know, but when we look at the cases is 674 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: what we see. It's a very strong batter. That's interesting. 675 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: You know, I'm really really fascinated about the in between lifetime. 676 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: What are you hearing is going on in between this time? Yeah? Um, well, 677 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: you know it's very it's very similar to in the 678 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: Ease actually, um, now, we don't hear too much about 679 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: the tunnel of the light. Sometimes we do, but in 680 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: in the Ease they also open talk about you know, 681 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: seeing different figures. They're right, spirit figures, So I'm disease relatives, 682 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: but you know, not always uh. And in these intermission memories, 683 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: that's what we call them, intermission memories, Um, they will 684 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: also see these spirit figures. Right. But there's there's an 685 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: interesting and here we're cring back to these cultural differences. 686 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: And here it's easier to explain the cultural differences because 687 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: they have to do with how people perceive things. Right. 688 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: So in the West, uh, they will perceive the figures 689 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: as being Jesus, there are angels or sometimes God. In 690 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: Asia they'll talk about figures doing the same sorts of things, 691 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: that is, guiding them or you know, helping them out 692 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: or you know, teaching them or whatever. But they'll identify 693 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 1: them in their terms, right, you know, according to the 694 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: deities of their area, or in Buddhist cultures see them 695 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: as monks or whatever you know. Um, and so it's 696 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: the same source of roles, but they're perceived according to 697 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: the culture. Do they appear the same, Well no, not necessarily. 698 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, uh, they have the same roles, 699 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: but the appearances are often tailored to that culture too, 700 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: so that you know, in in Asia they'll be described 701 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: as wearing uh yellow or uh white monks robes or 702 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: being attired, you know, as they imagine their duties to 703 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: be retired, you know, whereas in the West they'll say, oh, 704 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: this person looks like Jesus. You know, we imagine Jesus 705 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: to look like, right, Uh, and if you see pictures 706 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: of Jesus, is probably not what Jesus really looked like. Right. 707 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: But that's but when they see pictures of Jesus, that's 708 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: what they say, Oh, that's that looks like the person 709 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: that I saw. So so does this mean that we 710 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: have some kind of control over our destiny on the 711 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: other side in between lives? Um, Well, yeah, but that's 712 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: a different that's a different issue. Yeah, I can talk 713 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: about that too. I think what this means is that, Um, 714 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: when we die, and this makes sense to me at least, 715 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: when we die, we just like continue, our consciousness like continues, right, 716 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: So our beliefs continue, our cultural conditioning continues, right, And 717 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: so that can that influences then how we see things, right, 718 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: because we're we're creation, were created by our cultures, right, 719 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: We're influence and we're shaped by them, and so when 720 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: we die, all that stuff is still with us, and 721 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: that influences you know what we see. What about the 722 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: atheists that has this type of experience, what is the 723 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: pattern for them? Well, you know some of them, um, 724 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: are surprised. I mean they've been atheists who have in 725 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: the ease and come back all surprised. Um. They've also 726 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: been um people I don't know, real atheists, but people 727 00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: definitely who are not believers, um in survival or reincarnation 728 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: in particular from Western cultures, right, who have these experiences. So, um, 729 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to depend on that, uh, but it 730 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: but how one what one experiences does seem to depend 731 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: on on one's you know. Now, it doesn't get to 732 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: the point where if you don't believe in survival, you're 733 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: not going to survive. That doesn't get that far what 734 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: I'm saying. But um, but even even atheist agnostics, if 735 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: they grew up in Western culture, still have some ideas 736 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: of Western Religionhi tribe, you know, and so that's how 737 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: they interpret things. So it still remains along the same 738 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: lines of those that have these experiences and their agnostic 739 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: or atheists, they still kind of go along with the 740 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 1: cultural surroundings. Yes, yeah, yeah. And there's something else here 741 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: which is really this is statistically very very very strong. Um. 742 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: In in the Asian cases, they imagine the uh, the 743 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 1: intermission period, the afterlife as passing, not in heaven like 744 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: we do in Western cases, but in a in a 745 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: realistic terrestrial setting, like they'll talk about spending in a 746 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,800 Speaker 1: tree for instance, or you know one person who was 747 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: in a shell and punk shell, things like this, and 748 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: from that, from that, Yeah, because they don't have the 749 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: same idea that think we go they go to heaven, 750 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: right you know, you know, so they imagine that they 751 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: stay around right you know here. If you hear things 752 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: like that, we think of uh, you know, earth bound souls. 753 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: I mean it's the term people who use that type 754 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: of thing. Well, uh in Asia they're also the earthbound 755 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: souls in that sense, but not in a negative sort 756 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: of way. That's just how they imagine it. Where yeah, 757 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: it really is. And it's like I say, I mean 758 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: when we when we do study like this of looking 759 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: at these intermission memories across culturally, that's one of the 760 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: things that we founding. That's something you don't hear about 761 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: very often. How can people get a hold of you 762 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: if they want to share their experiences or get some 763 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: of your work thank you? Uh you know, well their 764 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: own Facebook. The easiest thing to do is to go 765 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: to my group Signs of Reincarnation. They can also go 766 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: to my website, which is James G. Mattlock dot com. Um, 767 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, and I had my email on there and 768 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: other things about me, And you definitely have the appropriate 769 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: last name for the type of research that you do. 770 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,360 Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on 771 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: the show today, Jim. This has been very, very fascinating. 772 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, wonderful. Thank you so much. Wow. I cannot 773 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,240 Speaker 1: thank Jim Matlock enough for coming on the show today. 774 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely mind blowing information. I mean, fifteen months for most 775 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: other places in the world except for us, I mean wow. 776 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: But you know, it kind of makes sense because like 777 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,240 Speaker 1: if I crossed over and my family members were expecting 778 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: to see me, I might hang out a little bit 779 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: longer so I could see them. I mean that makes sense. 780 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: So the soul grouping thing, I wonder if that's more 781 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,800 Speaker 1: exclusive to us over here because of that. But then hello, 782 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: here's in the other countries. They are kind of reincarnating 783 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,719 Speaker 1: within the same society, within the same family. It's it's 784 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,280 Speaker 1: kind of all over but they just seem to accept 785 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: it more. Huh. Food for thought, Absolutely food for thought. 786 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: But you guys, I want to remind you to go 787 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 1: to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com 788 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: and tell me what you want to hear on this show. 789 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: There's a certain topic you want me to discuss, I 790 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: am all ears. If there's a story or something that 791 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: you've experienced and you want some insight, hello, send it 792 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: on over and uh I will get to it. And 793 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: you know what I gotta tell you too. If you 794 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: have research, or if you know somebody that has research 795 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: and you want to have that explored here on the 796 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: show or shared, please do tell me about audit and 797 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: you are always welcome to come here on this show 798 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: and share your story directly. But I am telling you 799 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: nine times out of ten people really prefer to help 800 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 1: me read the emails off. I don't mind, and the 801 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: more details you put the better. 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