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Speaker 1: I B. Mike, we have a treat today, and without
Speaker 1: further introduction, Mary Mattlin and husband James Carvel, welcome both
Speaker 1: of you to this podcast series. So we don't do
Speaker 1: this together, I have to start by asking Mary and
Speaker 1: James separately, when did you meet Rush? Mary gonna go first,
Speaker 1: I thank you. I know you met him before I did.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I met him. We visited him and had
Speaker 1: used to have an apartment like right on Fifth Avenue
Speaker 1: in New York. And the first time I met him
Speaker 1: was at his condo apartment whatever you call it was
Speaker 1: Upper east Side, his Upper east Side digs and Mary,
Speaker 1: you was that the time, honey? We went with Russert
Speaker 1: and his wife with Tim, remember that we had dinner
Speaker 1: at that but that was no that was at Central
Speaker 1: when he lived in Central Park. We went and at
Speaker 1: dinner with Russers. But Russian James ironically hit it off
Speaker 1: and I knew Brush before he was rushed. We kind
Speaker 1: of I think my dad turned me onto him in
Speaker 1: the eighties, late eighties, and then we've been constant companions
Speaker 1: since then, as James will tell you, since I never
Speaker 1: turned him off. I miss seeing both of you. Remember
Speaker 1: those Tim Russer Christmas shows, and we sure do missing
Speaker 1: those of us who I mean, we love seeing your
Speaker 1: family on Meet the Press with Tim Russer and I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you Meet the Press. Of course, that was
Speaker 1: back in the golden age of Meet the Press. James.
Speaker 1: Let me, James elaborate on Meet the Press, because I
Speaker 1: think this is a turning point in a lot of things.
Speaker 1: When Tim Russer passed but interesting, sad, bitter sweet, but
Speaker 1: tribute to Tim Russert in our relationship is, um James
Speaker 1: tell him first of all, I think, James, you said
Speaker 1: we were on there more than anybody else, Like, let's
Speaker 1: elaborate at Tim. I don't know I was on I
Speaker 1: was on that a lot. I don't know about more
Speaker 1: than I think Bob Doe Will holds the whole time
Speaker 1: record for me depress, but I could be the longest.
Speaker 1: Probably changed since then. Um, well and I were just
Speaker 1: they were like best friends. I mean we've had our
Speaker 1: baseball tickets together with you know, professional basketball or Wizards
Speaker 1: tickets together. His son and I did a top sports
Speaker 1: talk radio show for some time. And uh, you're right.
Speaker 1: When he died in June the first night we're in
Speaker 1: New Orleans and and part of Washington journalism, I think
Speaker 1: it died with Tim, but you know, it was just
Speaker 1: it was one of those kind of similar events and uh,
Speaker 1: you know it was to was to day. It's it's
Speaker 1: difficult and it was, uh what twelve years ago, thirteen
Speaker 1: years ago kind of order to believe it was the
Speaker 1: first he died the first night that we were going
Speaker 1: to spend in our house in New Orleans. So it
Speaker 1: was it was almost to the date if you look
Speaker 1: it up, maybe it was June eighth and ninth, the
Speaker 1: day died, but before probably topa. I guess it would
Speaker 1: be unfortunately, thirteenth year anniversary. Warm Alright. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk politics, because that is kind of not why
Speaker 1: we're here. I do want to talk about Rush though. Now, James,
Speaker 1: you know Rush had a nickname for you, what washing?
Speaker 1: Somebody's Chelby? But what remind me again? It was serpent head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very calm any any nickname is good. Where that came from? Where? Um?
Speaker 1: Jeb Bush? Well, it was a jabb or ales No, no, no, Jeb.
Speaker 1: It was Jeff Bush. Because I was so smitten with James,
Speaker 1: and I was on this rocket of a career trajectory
Speaker 1: and I fell in love with him. And it was
Speaker 1: in the middle of that campaign that I was running.
Speaker 1: He was running Clinton's, and so everybody was like, who
Speaker 1: is this guy? Nobody knew, And when Jeff saw my
Speaker 1: TV goes that's it. That's the guy. And Roddrill said
Speaker 1: this verse, he looks like I issue swam too close
Speaker 1: to a nuclear reactor. And Jeff goes he it's like
Speaker 1: a serpent head. I love you head. Well that quickly
Speaker 1: be yeah, that quickly became. That quickly became your nickname
Speaker 1: on the Russi Limbo Show and James, as you may know,
Speaker 1: I don't know whether you know this or not. Rush
Speaker 1: We had a lot of bits. Yeah, people would tell
Speaker 1: me about it not you know, and that you know.
Speaker 1: I never you know. It's part of being in a
Speaker 1: public person. But you're right, married Right, every time I
Speaker 1: get in her car that she had previously driven, it
Speaker 1: would be on RUSH Radio. So I don't I think
Speaker 1: I'd changed it right away to NPR. But but I
Speaker 1: I think if I say something about Rush, if when
Speaker 1: you've become famous, and I've noticed some right, people only
Speaker 1: know you for what you're famous for, all right, So
Speaker 1: if if you're a baseball player and you're famous, you
Speaker 1: have a life outside of baseball, people are just not
Speaker 1: that interested in it, are marginally interested in it, and
Speaker 1: they want to talk to you about that. Well, obviously,
Speaker 1: probably two people that Mary was closest to it was
Speaker 1: Russian Vice President Cheney, and as a result of that,
Speaker 1: I had to spend a fair amount of time and
Speaker 1: but both of them word. They were multidimensional people. So
Speaker 1: whoever I was gonna talk about politics, because I sure
Speaker 1: they didn't agree to anything they said, and they would
Speaker 1: say the same thing about me, but we could talk
Speaker 1: about other things very easily. Was it wasn't a stilted
Speaker 1: to force conversation that were They're both multidimensional people, so
Speaker 1: you didn't have like uncomfortable small talk. And I think
Speaker 1: that's something that's kind of important because, like I said, people,
Speaker 1: when people come famous, they're only known for the thing
Speaker 1: that they become famous for. But they have families, and
Speaker 1: they have interests, and they have you know, children, or
Speaker 1: they have any number of things that they deal with.
Speaker 1: And I always found it, you know, easy to in
Speaker 1: a social situation, uh, with both of these men and
Speaker 1: not feel uncomfortable or anything like that. What did Dreames
Speaker 1: tell my James tell Russia's James? What are Rush gave
Speaker 1: us for a wedding present? Because that was one of
Speaker 1: his things he knew a lot about. I said, let's
Speaker 1: just say it was, hey gave us a magnum of
Speaker 1: Obreon whoa of which, Yeah, it's pretty nice. I mean
Speaker 1: it was any knew whe I mean he did, you
Speaker 1: know and I would, I could talk, you know, vintages
Speaker 1: with him or anything like that. And I uh, I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna open it Thanksgiving if they it's getting
Speaker 1: a little long in the tooth yet, I don't want
Speaker 1: to sell it because you know when somebody gives you
Speaker 1: a gift like that and they don't give it to sell.
Speaker 1: And I still have it the Shanador Valley and it's
Speaker 1: under control temperature, so I think that I think it
Speaker 1: will drink just fine come November. The great cut post
Speaker 1: COVID Thanksgiving, right, yeah, I'll tell you post COVID, I
Speaker 1: just I'll spent a week in Las Vegas. You know
Speaker 1: that was his re entry, James Golding, wonderful. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you. I am glad that you are post COVID. Now,
Speaker 1: can I just get your reaction to this? Okay, So
Speaker 1: those of us old enough to remember what the campaign
Speaker 1: was like between Bush UH forty one and Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: remember it was a pretty heated campaign there. And then
Speaker 1: comes this surprise, and you two took everybody by surprise
Speaker 1: when news I don't know, was it leaked out or
Speaker 1: did you announce it that you two were indeed in
Speaker 1: love with each other and you were having a relationship.
Speaker 1: How did what was the reaction at that time that
Speaker 1: both of you encountered what we had a relationship prior
Speaker 1: to the campaign. In fact, when I was doing the
Speaker 1: Harris Wofford Race and the fall of but very well,
Speaker 1: I've to go to the Durious three station in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: gorgeous building, you know, the angel holding the fallen soldier,
Speaker 1: and uh, it was among people in Washington insiders, it
Speaker 1: was pretty well. It was not the secret. I mean
Speaker 1: we'd go to dinner together and do all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: And and then once the campaign started, I think that
Speaker 1: the public became sort of more aware of it. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny for all of that and that campaign, Uh,
Speaker 1: President H. W. Bush and President Clinton became really close.
Speaker 1: I mean it was almost like an uncle to President Clinton.
Speaker 1: And I'd go to the library, you know, and done
Speaker 1: Evensford very you know, a couple three times, and you know,
Speaker 1: always gracious and everything. And you know, it was a
Speaker 1: different era in politics. And we'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1: Do you wish that that some of that Eric could
Speaker 1: come back? I wish I was you know, forty eight. Again,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing stays the same That's what people got
Speaker 1: to realize. It is you're in a place now, but
Speaker 1: you know, the place we were in is a different
Speaker 1: place than we were in in two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: which is a different place, and we're gonna be in
Speaker 1: in two thousand and twenty six. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how it is this ends, but it's
Speaker 1: the one thing I know. It'll morph into something else,
Speaker 1: whether whether it moss into something better or worse. Uh,
Speaker 1: promisic kind of got something better. But but it's what
Speaker 1: it is right now. The Democrat part never James Carvill,
Speaker 1: James Carvil, the Democrat Party that's never been, that's never been.
Speaker 1: This polace in life boat. That was after Trump was elected.
Speaker 1: James Kerver was on yesterday, Biden's gonna be Biden. He's
Speaker 1: gaff pro but he got a hard to go, hard
Speaker 1: to go all out there. You can't say another man
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Speaker 1: drew new lines in the political battlefield, ultimately leading to
Speaker 1: a hotly contested two thousand presidential election. But by the
Speaker 1: time George W. Bush was inaugurated and the dust began
Speaker 1: to settle, the era of compassionate Conservatism seemed poised for
Speaker 1: smooth Saley. The Clinton presidency was in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: The House had a Republican majority, and because Conservatives were
Speaker 1: riding high, Russia's critics predicted, without anyone to complain about,
Speaker 1: his show would soon be on the decline, and then
Speaker 1: on a clear Tuesday morning, everything changed and debris is
Speaker 1: just falling off the building. I mean it's underwardly looking
Speaker 1: at the trade towers exactly when it happened. We need
Speaker 1: to unite, We need to understand together. September eleven, two
Speaker 1: thousand one profoundly impacted America, the presidency and Russia limbus.
Speaker 1: All different sets of emotions start taking over. Then in
Speaker 1: the course of the next few weeks, learned that I
Speaker 1: knew people who lost people, family members and friends of
Speaker 1: the World Trade Center. They are still not the same.
Speaker 1: The tone of politics changed on a dime, and Russia's
Speaker 1: audience grew dramatically as Americans turned to a familiar, soothing
Speaker 1: voice to calm the chaos, pick up the pieces, and
Speaker 1: move America forward. The Bush White House also recognized the
Speaker 1: breach of his program, as both President Bush and Vice
Speaker 1: President Dick Cheney became regular contributors. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: program the Vice President, Dick Cheney, Mr Vice President, thank
Speaker 1: you as always, it's a it's an honor and a
Speaker 1: delight to have you here with us. Great talk to
Speaker 1: you again. After two successful terms and despite expertly guiding
Speaker 1: America through an unprecedented crisis early in his administration. President
Speaker 1: Bush left Washington with the waning popular the and a
Speaker 1: miss harsh criticism. In the years that followed. Rush tried
Speaker 1: to set the record straight. Bush was a solid leader
Speaker 1: dealing with nine eleven of me. How in the world
Speaker 1: you go from that perception to go to being approval,
Speaker 1: hated and reviled. You do that by letting the media destraw.
Speaker 1: You're not fighting back and not getting political because you
Speaker 1: don't want to sully the office or whatever. To the end,
Speaker 1: Russell Limbaugh had profound respect for his friend, President George W.
Speaker 1: Bush and his stewardship of the American President's Bush has
Speaker 1: been rehabilitated. In the eyes of the drive by media,
Speaker 1: Bush is gracious. Now. What's missing in this transformation, of course,
Speaker 1: Bush the evil, to Bush the gracious is the acknowledgment
Speaker 1: that he has always comported himself this way. Despite the
Speaker 1: relentless attacks these past eight years, George W. Bush has
Speaker 1: been a class act. He considered Bush a strong leader
Speaker 1: who was unfairly defined by his opponents, and for his part,
Speaker 1: George W. Bush had a mutual respect for Rush, and
Speaker 1: a statement after his death, Bush praised Russia's belief in
Speaker 1: God in country as an indomitable spirit with a big
Speaker 1: heart like his father before him. Perhaps the same could
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Speaker 1: I'll get your reaction to it. I don't know whether
Speaker 1: you two realizes it or not, but for a lot
Speaker 1: of people um that that are really political people, I
Speaker 1: believe that you two are an inspiration because in a
Speaker 1: way you symbolize something. You symbolize that two people who
Speaker 1: are on opposite ends of the political spectrum can still
Speaker 1: have a very loving relationship with each other. You guys
Speaker 1: have been married for a while, you have kids now
Speaker 1: that have grown, and I can still hear the love
Speaker 1: between both of you, and this is his apparent always
Speaker 1: been a real thing with you since you've guys decided
Speaker 1: you were in love with each other. And so do
Speaker 1: you share the belief that this is somehow that this
Speaker 1: is in a way you two are larger than yourselves. Well,
Speaker 1: all right, and don't you have a long conversation with Mary.
Speaker 1: I just I'll go back to the original thing is
Speaker 1: if you're famously you're known for something, of course this
Speaker 1: is the way that we're in the living. There was
Speaker 1: a guy, I think Walter Shapiro, wrote a review of
Speaker 1: our book, and his point was, it's not surprising that
Speaker 1: something like this happened in Washington, but would really be
Speaker 1: surprising if Mary married a tree surgeon in Idaho. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you put thought that would have been you know,
Speaker 1: if you put when you put you know, boys and
Speaker 1: girls in the same kind of profession, you know, and
Speaker 1: that there are other examples of of people like us.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, you know, passed the baton to Kelly,
Speaker 1: Anne and George with which I'm happy to do. But
Speaker 1: like Anna been At and John Buckley, they were good
Speaker 1: friends of ours. They were you know, definitely John Buckley
Speaker 1: was one of the famous Buckley's of Connecticut. And Anna
Speaker 1: ben it's a fort worth uh. And she's a very
Speaker 1: accomplished poster. I worked, I thought in New Jersey some
Speaker 1: So I mean that they're instances of it, because it's
Speaker 1: just the way that nature is. When you start mixing
Speaker 1: compounds someone we're gonna stick m and uh. And I
Speaker 1: think that what's helped us as we maintain interest in
Speaker 1: things outside of politics, I think that's it. I think
Speaker 1: that's you know, we both have a describe as a
Speaker 1: healthy interest in politics, and I don't deny that, but
Speaker 1: we have, you know, all kinds of stuff, but we
Speaker 1: also enjoy we enjoy so many other things, football, family, food,
Speaker 1: friends history. Okay, now let's take the politics if we
Speaker 1: can aside out of the question. All right, what do
Speaker 1: you think Russian blaws legacy is going to be, James, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it saved an entire medium of communications. I
Speaker 1: mean they saved a m radio. And the way that
Speaker 1: you know a person's legacy is how many knockoffs did
Speaker 1: he create? You know, let Mary go through the list
Speaker 1: of names of people you know. And I want to
Speaker 1: only limit my remarks to positive remarks, and would note
Speaker 1: that not the appropriate time to make. But but but
Speaker 1: but well, in a nation that is really divided into
Speaker 1: people that think difficions is a problem, kind of harder
Speaker 1: to say, what a divisive guy. But having said that,
Speaker 1: what I'd like to focus on because you know, he
Speaker 1: created a lot of knockoffs and none of them ever
Speaker 1: became him. And that's that's when you you know you've
Speaker 1: done something when you've got successful people imitating you. And
Speaker 1: I know in my own life, I mean have any
Speaker 1: talk radio, but I always take such pride and people
Speaker 1: in the campaigns that worked for me to have gone
Speaker 1: on to do a lot of great things. Uh, So
Speaker 1: that that that's what you gotta feel good. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that rush. You know, I don't have
Speaker 1: any doubt that he believed in the things that he said,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he had to take a certain amount
Speaker 1: of pride that so many people imitated him, and that
Speaker 1: I think is is I don't think anybody has had
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, influence and the right wing
Speaker 1: media at all. And I mean I was listening to
Speaker 1: him and I was working in Kentucky, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's like that's that that uh, you know, to do.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I couldn't do three hours of programming
Speaker 1: five days a week for anything in the world, and
Speaker 1: you know he was doing. I mean, he was not
Speaker 1: an overly modest man, but be honest, in terms of
Speaker 1: his professional career, he didn't have a lot to be
Speaker 1: modest about. You know, I'll say I I you know,
Speaker 1: and I love coming on here, but Marry, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much she loved r I should love you.
Speaker 1: And oh, I was glad that you all asked me
Speaker 1: to participate for a few minutes in this. I'm happy
Speaker 1: that you did, and I'm so happy that you did. James,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We do appreciate your time. You honey,
Speaker 1: love you by now married the attention. I mean, actually
Speaker 1: we can't talk together. This is how we why we
Speaker 1: were halfway decent on Tim because he we just talk
Speaker 1: over each other. But can I just pick up on
Speaker 1: one point that that James made that's so important and
Speaker 1: its it's tied a little bow around everything you've been
Speaker 1: saying about this period, and there's things that people didn't
Speaker 1: know about Rush. I mean, of course he was more talented.
Speaker 1: He was talent on loan from God, and you too, James.
Speaker 1: The other James were saying confusing and James, but he
Speaker 1: picking up on that point that James made. In real life,
Speaker 1: Rush was an overly modest, humble he had he knew
Speaker 1: what the data was. But I think to the very
Speaker 1: end he was moved, struck, shocked, awed by his own reach.
Speaker 1: He also was a gentleman. He was courteous, he was gentle,
Speaker 1: He was patient. He taught me how to use it
Speaker 1: iPhone when in the flip phone days. He knew something
Speaker 1: about He was a Polly math or self taught Polly
Speaker 1: Matthew knew wine and no architecture, new aviation, economic spycraft.
Speaker 1: The guy was a real renaissance man and that's why
Speaker 1: that that's how I think of Rush and the other
Speaker 1: thing that James used to st James listened to him
Speaker 1: a lot when we were in the car together. He
Speaker 1: does he could do more better than anybody I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: including James. But this is one of James's talents make
Speaker 1: the complex understandable. But it's just there's just now you
Speaker 1: know everybody, I don't. I don't want to make comparisons,
Speaker 1: but I don't know anybody else that had as deep
Speaker 1: a philosophical and and literal understanding of so many topics.
Speaker 1: And he had first principles, and he was steeped in history.
Speaker 1: And you know what else he knew that I don't
Speaker 1: know anybody else that knows is is he turned me
Speaker 1: onto this is what real liberalism, real legacy socialism is like.
Speaker 1: He understood liberals, if you really, and he inspired me
Speaker 1: to do this. Read a lot about the Russian Revolution
Speaker 1: and even proceeding that marks and you know, the Enlightenment
Speaker 1: and all that. He knew the whole thread of history
Speaker 1: that led to liberalism, and he understood how it became
Speaker 1: a racket and how it beat, how it transited the globe.
Speaker 1: And that's why he was always a step ahead of
Speaker 1: He always knew what the Democrats were gonna do before
Speaker 1: we even knew what was going on. One of the
Speaker 1: problems I had with Rush early on was I was
Speaker 1: kind of a hippie dippy, you know, environmentalist in my
Speaker 1: old days, and he when it started to turn into
Speaker 1: a racket, and he connected it to environmental wackos, which
Speaker 1: I kind of understood, but I couldn't understand the motivation.
Speaker 1: That was the other thing that he could suss out
Speaker 1: and explain the motive. And he never attributed ill motives.
Speaker 1: He attributed the reality he was. He was the mayor
Speaker 1: of Realville, so he knew what they were gonna do,
Speaker 1: and he would say these things that people go, oh, rush, oh, Rush.
Speaker 1: And he was always literally literally sometimes decades, always years
Speaker 1: ahead of where the culture and the zeitgeist was. He's
Speaker 1: he's literally an all time twentieth century genius. I said.
Speaker 1: I used to tell him it was uncanny. He would
Speaker 1: make predictions about the way something would roll out, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I would be one of those voices. I'll come
Speaker 1: on Rush seriously, and within a few months or a year,
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe longer, whatever he predicted would start to happen.
Speaker 1: But you know the beauty the gift you gave him,
Speaker 1: and you would challenge him, and you would poke holton him,
Speaker 1: and you made his particularly as he was thinking. That
Speaker 1: was another thing he did that I've never seen anybody
Speaker 1: do with the aplom that he did it. He would
Speaker 1: think out loud, and he would think in full paragraphs
Speaker 1: and complete narratives. But you would push him at prod
Speaker 1: him and pick at him and understand what he understood
Speaker 1: was in his head. And he thought everybody knew you
Speaker 1: guys were a great team, James, a fabulous team. Thank you. Well.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know and I always found him interesting
Speaker 1: and I wanted to know how he arrived at these conclusions.
Speaker 1: And you know, he gave me the freedom to disagree
Speaker 1: with him publicly, which was just amazing and astounding. And
Speaker 1: he could sometimes tell by a look because I'd look
Speaker 1: at him a certain way, Why are you looking at
Speaker 1: me like that? Do you not agree? And that was
Speaker 1: if I didn't, Okay, I don't, and why and then
Speaker 1: he would explain it. He was wonderful that way. That's
Speaker 1: the that is the hallmark of a genius is somebody
Speaker 1: who is always challenging their own perspectives, their own ideas,
Speaker 1: and is trying to understand how other people think and
Speaker 1: how they're perceiving what he is that the person here,
Speaker 1: she is saying he always hadn't and he liked to
Speaker 1: be disagreed with, didn't y'all just always tee up the
Speaker 1: liberals first? That's right, that's right. He would demand that
Speaker 1: if someone disagreed, put him up at the top. I
Speaker 1: want to talk to them first. These people are not
Speaker 1: interested in democracy. They're not interested in representative democracy or
Speaker 1: a republic. We are in a battle for the overall
Speaker 1: kind of countries is gonna be. We're not in a
Speaker 1: battle over who is going to win every four years.
Speaker 1: We're not in a battle over who's going to be president,
Speaker 1: who's going to run the senator, who's going to run
Speaker 1: the House. The battle we are in is virtually and
Speaker 1: literally about will this remain the United States of America
Speaker 1: as founded? That is what is being waged here now,
Speaker 1: Mary you um uh. The people that have been with us,
Speaker 1: the lifers, the people that were with us for the
Speaker 1: full ride, remember full well that in our very first
Speaker 1: compliment of guest host, we had a guest host rotation.
Speaker 1: Dr Walter Williams love him me too, Tony Snow, miss
Speaker 1: m too, and Mary Mattlin. You're too kind, James, I
Speaker 1: would know I'm not you were you were in our rotation.
Speaker 1: You guest hosted the show many times. What was it
Speaker 1: like when you sat down? We used to do the
Speaker 1: show out of Washington, d C. A lot at the
Speaker 1: ABC studios. UH their their headquarters in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: They allowed us to come in and use their studios
Speaker 1: and they were always, by the way, very nice with us,
Speaker 1: very gracious. Um and you used to come in in
Speaker 1: those days, and I used to fly down. We used
Speaker 1: to do the show from from those studios. What was
Speaker 1: it like for you guest hosting the Russia Limbus show? Nobody,
Speaker 1: and that is that you're You're only like a guest
Speaker 1: in the orbit of Rush. But I think it was
Speaker 1: pretty good when I forgot about those days in Washington,
Speaker 1: because then I did have a daily radio show, which
Speaker 1: when I cut my contracts, in no way I want
Speaker 1: to be on any position except after Russia Limb but
Speaker 1: I don't want to be on that. But I the two.
Speaker 1: The thing that that I don't remember most is how
Speaker 1: bad I sucked when I came up to New York
Speaker 1: and I was frazzled and frenzied, and I was sitting
Speaker 1: in his actual chair behind the e I b my
Speaker 1: and I just could not get my ship together. And
Speaker 1: you were so kind and you just the only highlight
Speaker 1: of when I did that, and I was so terrible.
Speaker 1: It's like a week was my dad came on and
Speaker 1: devoted to my dad and the way Russia was devoted
Speaker 1: to his dad, and it just that's what I remember,
Speaker 1: is your kindness and my dad coming on and that
Speaker 1: I was so inept in the world of Russian limbo.
Speaker 1: And it really makes you understand the skill set that
Speaker 1: he had in addition to being brainy, like radio is
Speaker 1: the is the most pleasing medium if you're a chatter,
Speaker 1: and it's what's the most difficult. And I do remember
Speaker 1: always missing the heart out, always missing the clock, always
Speaker 1: talking over people. So he thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: But I remember you kindly said, well you're in the rotation.
Speaker 1: I said, well then you're gonna have a you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a big loss of listeners. And now, folks, if
Speaker 1: you didn't hear it, don't believe her. She was Mary
Speaker 1: was great because I'll tell you one thing Mary always did,
Speaker 1: which was come prepared, and Mary knew and knows subject
Speaker 1: matter of politics like nobody else. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: your this is I mean, I hear you saying that
Speaker 1: you and James, you know, you don't talk about politics,
Speaker 1: and maybe with the rest of the family you don't,
Speaker 1: but you are a political person and you you understand politics.
Speaker 1: You know it from the inside and the outside. All
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's quote unquote in the weeds, you
Speaker 1: understand that stuff, and you can talk about that stuff.
Speaker 1: But you can also talk about big picture politics and
Speaker 1: and all of that. And so that's what you brought
Speaker 1: to the table. And I'm and that's what I know
Speaker 1: you still bring to the table Mary, except I've banned
Speaker 1: myself because I just this this environment is it's so
Speaker 1: ugly and uncivil, and I don't want to be cliche
Speaker 1: about it. But the speaking of the weeds, you mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier that uh Russian I we were so on the
Speaker 1: same wavelength and we went through so many campaigns together
Speaker 1: that if I if and he knew a lot about politics,
Speaker 1: as you knew a lot about everything, but he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have these like blind spots. So I would email him
Speaker 1: and in real time. I don't know how you guys
Speaker 1: did this. In real time, he'd sort three find out
Speaker 1: of his thousand emails a minute, he'd find the one
Speaker 1: and he it would be just I just sent him
Speaker 1: in a headline in the in the title, or a
Speaker 1: quick sentence, uh where he was offered another fact to
Speaker 1: add or some poll date or something I had that
Speaker 1: he didn't know, and he seamlessly incorporated into his subsequent remarks.
Speaker 1: And it just was I felt like we had such
Speaker 1: a such a team thing going on. And then the
Speaker 1: last year, I I I've never seen such courage and bravery.
Speaker 1: I happened to have had health issues with contemporaneous lessly
Speaker 1: with his and some of my friends were going too,
Speaker 1: and my friends were going through the same thing. And
Speaker 1: I don't know how he got up and went to
Speaker 1: the studio as often as he did, and he put
Speaker 1: off this team. I mean, if people don't, it's just
Speaker 1: so unusual in this sort of I don't want to
Speaker 1: say snow flaky, but this in the in this self
Speaker 1: uh immediate gratification and uh un uncourageous and the easiest
Speaker 1: way out side guys that we find ourselves in rush
Speaker 1: showed the courage of of George Washington. I mean, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't even I don't even know how he did that.
Speaker 1: Bo you were there, I mean, it just it just
Speaker 1: stunning to me. And he made a huge difference and
Speaker 1: he it. I really felt like he was going to
Speaker 1: bring it over the line, just like he did in
Speaker 1: which was amazing. Ye explained the marked to people by
Speaker 1: the way he the ninth the Republicans had been but
Speaker 1: we had been friends for some time here at that point.
Speaker 1: I literally like a month after I got married, I
Speaker 1: flew out to California for a book party. I think
Speaker 1: he quit doing book parties, but this might have been
Speaker 1: one of the very first books. And his mother was
Speaker 1: that Millie was there, his beloved Millie. I loved her
Speaker 1: and he so all the time that I knew him.
Speaker 1: Preceding this, Republicans were wandering around in the desert and
Speaker 1: they had been in the minority for over half a century.
Speaker 1: And he became an honorary member of the Congress because
Speaker 1: he they couldn't get there, and there you can see
Speaker 1: this problem today. Republicans have a hard time speaking with
Speaker 1: one voice because they're speaking into immediacy. Rush went above
Speaker 1: that and laid out the principles and how the policies
Speaker 1: of this uh, the New Gingridge Revolution at that time
Speaker 1: was really Russia's revolution, how it how the first principles,
Speaker 1: how these policies were predicated on these first principles, and
Speaker 1: everybody was shocked. We won that. No one saw this
Speaker 1: coming except for Russia. The Republicans won the majority, they won,
Speaker 1: We won the New York governors that Rudy Giuliani. It
Speaker 1: was a complete sweep. And I I credit and many
Speaker 1: do too. And anybody who knows anything about policies and
Speaker 1: how messages delivered and penetrates would attribute to the victory
Speaker 1: and the finest victory in the last century for Republicans
Speaker 1: to rush Limbaugh's and I can't call it anything else
Speaker 1: but a campaign. His other completely transformational act was um
Speaker 1: Operation Chaos. He watching fluence on politics way more than
Speaker 1: anybody who's in politics. I shouldn't say that. That's a
Speaker 1: little hyperbole, but he had as much influence as everyday
Speaker 1: operatives have on politics. But in the big picture and
Speaker 1: the historical picture there he had more influence than anybody else,
Speaker 1: and that is fair to say. And towards the his
Speaker 1: his let's say in the sixties when he and Katherine
Speaker 1: started doing the history book. He had identified the problem
Speaker 1: the way ahead of the curve, that we weren't learning
Speaker 1: history right. So he's covered so many generations, uh with
Speaker 1: with this unique talent of his, and it it just
Speaker 1: I'm I can't even keep a train of phone. When
Speaker 1: I think of him. My whole brain just smiles, It
Speaker 1: just lights up. I just this everything about him was
Speaker 1: such a special thing. He also was in real life.
Speaker 1: This is a really main point about living happily in
Speaker 1: all eras. That man had a sense of humor. Yes
Speaker 1: he did. He was funny in the sophisticated way, and
Speaker 1: he just was. He was always so much fun to
Speaker 1: be around. I just I just miss him so much.
Speaker 1: Dreams I miss him too. And some days I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: all of us on were I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: still have dreams I miss him. I was talking with
Speaker 1: Dawn the other day and Dawn was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: she still expects to wake up and just one day
Speaker 1: all of us to be back in the studio together.
Speaker 1: And it's just still really um, it's still mind numbing
Speaker 1: that that that when did you find out he was sick? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I literally found out or when everybody else did.
Speaker 1: But I knew, I just know. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I just I don't. This sounds weird, but we were
Speaker 1: telepathically connected, and I knew something was freighting him before
Speaker 1: didn't when he announced it. I just was not I
Speaker 1: remember not being remotely surprised, just sad. And I thought
Speaker 1: he was gonna beat it. I really thought he was
Speaker 1: going to beat it. And I he I think he
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, stepped up his game because
Speaker 1: he never had a bad day even though he thought
Speaker 1: he did. That's another thing. How many people, do you know,
Speaker 1: do something as long as they he did that, who
Speaker 1: come to work talk about being prepared, who come to
Speaker 1: their job every day with the level of intensity and
Speaker 1: depth that he did in those days. He come back
Speaker 1: and said, look, yesterday, I don't think I did a
Speaker 1: good job. I let me try. I he just who
Speaker 1: keeps that that that self criticism and that self improvement
Speaker 1: and that reaching for the stars uh as part of
Speaker 1: their fundamental being? And he kept that on at a
Speaker 1: whole different level, like a transcendent i'd given level in
Speaker 1: his last year, and I and I could feel when
Speaker 1: he was having good days and bad days, and it
Speaker 1: had so screwed up his time, not his time even
Speaker 1: looking at the clock. You know this because I never
Speaker 1: saw many clocks as he did in that last year.
Speaker 1: He was so in his zone. And I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was doing it on all kinds of drugs too, because
Speaker 1: you can't just take him, mom, And I still don't
Speaker 1: to this. I've never I've never seen that, and we
Speaker 1: can expect to never see that again. He's he's actually
Speaker 1: a medical miracle, you know. He um he That's what
Speaker 1: I said, And I was in one of the earlier
Speaker 1: podcast I mentioned how at the end of his show
Speaker 1: sometimes he would be so exhausted he couldn't even stand up,
Speaker 1: he could barely stand up. But he gave everything that
Speaker 1: he could into each one of those shows. And and
Speaker 1: this was something else, you know, going into thirty three
Speaker 1: years of being a syndicated holes before, before he real
Speaker 1: eyes he was sick, before he realized that something was wrong,
Speaker 1: Rush was still and even of course afterwards, but he
Speaker 1: always gave it his best shot. He didn't mail it in,
Speaker 1: he never mailed it. He was still excited about being
Speaker 1: on the radio. This hadn't become just a dull routine.
Speaker 1: To him, this was something that he honestly did believe
Speaker 1: he was born to do, and he enjoyed it. This
Speaker 1: is he loved it, and he gave it his best
Speaker 1: every single day. You know when he used to say, uh,
Speaker 1: more more fun than any human beings should be allowed
Speaker 1: to have. That's how he lived his life. And you
Speaker 1: know it wasn't without problems, and he overcame so many things,
Speaker 1: as you and David's brother know and all that, but
Speaker 1: he he never even phoned it in when he was
Speaker 1: going through his various trials and tribulations like who doesn't
Speaker 1: have those in life? And those trials and tribulations that
Speaker 1: he overcame that were of his own doing, took enormous courage.
Speaker 1: And then so much of the things he had to
Speaker 1: overcome were externally imposed on him. And I know in
Speaker 1: the beginning, now everybody knows we're in a psycho toxic
Speaker 1: you know, social media world. But when people started coming
Speaker 1: after him, I think it surprised an It hurt him
Speaker 1: in a way that he didn't understand because he was
Speaker 1: his person. He was never mean. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: how people ever thought he was mean. There was nothing
Speaker 1: ever mean about him. Did he have a mean bonus?
Speaker 1: I've never talked anybody. No, No, Nor was he racist,
Speaker 1: nor was he bigoted, nor was he all these other
Speaker 1: things that the left through on him as a means
Speaker 1: of trying to hurt him and diminish his credibility. You know,
Speaker 1: they came at him. What what we're all accused of
Speaker 1: these days. You know, you want sovereign borders, you're a
Speaker 1: racist if you like you know, whatever it is, you're racist,
Speaker 1: no matter what. We know all that. But they did
Speaker 1: that to him first. So in a way, he was
Speaker 1: like a punching bag in a in a learning vehicle
Speaker 1: or a preparation vehicle for now all of us that
Speaker 1: are called racist at any moment. And you know before
Speaker 1: that he was a misogynist, and and he was aside,
Speaker 1: he was a a feminazi. That was my favorite thing
Speaker 1: because I I left, I left the feminist whatever way.
Speaker 1: I'm sixty eight, so we're kind of the same age. Well,
Speaker 1: I could hang in with them when they said a
Speaker 1: man a woman needs a man like a bike needs
Speaker 1: a fish. And then they turned in all the id
Speaker 1: politics instead of really, you know, equal opportunity and all
Speaker 1: that and feminine you can't even use the word nots anymore.
Speaker 1: But when he said feminazi, I just to this day
Speaker 1: I crack up because it was so perfect and it
Speaker 1: was such so port entious, like they were so untouchable
Speaker 1: when he started doing that, and it was and he
Speaker 1: really had the nail on the head. If I may
Speaker 1: say this, A lot of feminists that took took feminism
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. He couldn't be not you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really even want to say this, but he
Speaker 1: knew what the problem, what the essence of that fanaticism
Speaker 1: was as and it's the same with all kinds of
Speaker 1: liberal fanaticism. He understood that and it never tainted his soul.
Speaker 1: It just inspired him to get people to understand not
Speaker 1: only what they were doing, what they were planning to do,
Speaker 1: but what to do about it, and to keep doing it,
Speaker 1: and to keep doing it and to keep fighting and
Speaker 1: the other thing. Besides never being mean to anybody. He
Speaker 1: I'm sure he had some depressed days, but you he
Speaker 1: how many times did people call in and they were
Speaker 1: crying or they're about to cry, or they were so forlorn,
Speaker 1: or they've just given up, including people lost their jobs
Speaker 1: and stuff. He would just talk him back from the brink.
Speaker 1: And it's just that had such a magnifying force for
Speaker 1: so many people that didn't call in. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you how many. When I was on the road, everybody
Speaker 1: everywhere I went people asked this, And you know, I
Speaker 1: must have coasted more than you that I remember, But
Speaker 1: everybody always asked me about Rush. But what was he
Speaker 1: really like? And was he really that good? And Bubba
Speaker 1: he really well, I'm missing him, James, I'm having I'm
Speaker 1: having having Rush rushed through me. He were channeling Rush
Speaker 1: right now and he's saying he misses everybody, and he
Speaker 1: loves everybody, and he's so grateful. And he really was grateful. Member.
Speaker 1: He used to say, no matter what you've given me,
Speaker 1: and no matter how much you think you've done for me,
Speaker 1: is nothing, and compared, he would tell his orderence to
Speaker 1: what they did for him, and how he was eternally
Speaker 1: grateful and gratified by what this audience had given to
Speaker 1: him and his family. And he really meant every single
Speaker 1: word of that. Mary, I hope people realize how rare
Speaker 1: that is, because he was completely not just rarefied atmosphere,
Speaker 1: but his own level. You know, he was his own level,
Speaker 1: and he always believed that. And that's such a rare
Speaker 1: occurrence because I've seen too many James says. My James
Speaker 1: has two people who get famous and then start believing
Speaker 1: their own press. And this is not antiliar to the
Speaker 1: right or the left. It's like everybody who gets famous
Speaker 1: thinks they're untouchable, and they in a way, they become isolated.
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't go out with rush I remember
Speaker 1: we went to Patsy's once after his TV show, and
Speaker 1: you know, I just couldn't go anywhere with him. So
Speaker 1: it's isolating. But he always stayed genuine and knowledgeable and
Speaker 1: not angry. He wasn't not There's no anger that fueled
Speaker 1: his like it does so much in politics. The man
Speaker 1: was a happy man who was born to do what
Speaker 1: he was doing, and in Katherine found the love of
Speaker 1: his life. And I think it's life changed a lot
Speaker 1: when he moved to Florida to that was a lot.
Speaker 1: That was a big I don't want to say. When
Speaker 1: he could have a normal, kind of a normal life.
Speaker 1: He could drive where he wanted to drive himself, he
Speaker 1: didn't need to have people around him for security all
Speaker 1: the time. He could have a somewhat normal life. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course it wasn't a somewhat normal life because he
Speaker 1: was so surrounded himself with objects of interest and beauty
Speaker 1: and all. He wasn't in any way showing, but he
Speaker 1: wanted to share it. Marry. He'd have the Spring Fling
Speaker 1: every spring obviously did be sports people. And one year
Speaker 1: I asked him to invite Vince Flynn and they became
Speaker 1: great friends. And then he had the He had the
Speaker 1: twenty four people one year, and he just shared everything.
Speaker 1: He put everybody up when he got married, he and Katherine,
Speaker 1: he put everybody up at that at that hotel hell
Speaker 1: and we had hair day, you know, like he's just
Speaker 1: so generous with his uh success and and she was
Speaker 1: the biggest sharer of anybody an entertainer, um and and
Speaker 1: and trying to and host. That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of host. He's always made everybody so happy, comfortable, entertained,
Speaker 1: and it was never a big foot about it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you another story like that right after. Well,
Speaker 1: this was when we were first won the White House
Speaker 1: in two thousand four, and I was then working with
Speaker 1: I had two little babies. Our babies are a little bit.
Speaker 1: I wanted to work with Dick Chase. I went back
Speaker 1: in the White House, and the first thing Dick Cheney
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and this was the first party we
Speaker 1: planned at the Vice President's residence, was to do it
Speaker 1: in honor of Rush, because Cheney understood what happened in
Speaker 1: and he really loved Rush and respected Russian in many ways,
Speaker 1: got the same kind of incoming that Rush got. So
Speaker 1: then nine eleven happened, so we had to scrap everything
Speaker 1: because Cheney and I could not be in town the
Speaker 1: same time that Bush was the president was so for
Speaker 1: continuity of government. So when we finally had it, it
Speaker 1: was after he started losing his hearing, and that was
Speaker 1: very frustrating for him. He couldn't be in a crowd.
Speaker 1: It was too cacophonous for him, right, It actually was
Speaker 1: painful for him to act and being a crowd and
Speaker 1: half his cochlear implant, it was painful. And this was
Speaker 1: even before his cochlear thing, and he was just he
Speaker 1: was trying to deal with, you know, like the whole
Speaker 1: that was another thing. Who else what is more important
Speaker 1: to speech than hearing? Okay, communicating? He never lost his voice,
Speaker 1: It never became unrecognizable. But I do remember that night,
Speaker 1: how humble and moved he He wasn't but he couldn't
Speaker 1: really hear everything. So I was sitting next to him,
Speaker 1: trans not translating, you know what I mean, repeating everything,
Speaker 1: and I knew ta he He's talked many times well
Speaker 1: then at that time. I don't know if he got
Speaker 1: a note or he talked about that party and how
Speaker 1: he wished his dad had been around to see it.
Speaker 1: And he again another instance of so beloved and and
Speaker 1: so humbled and and so in a he was so
Speaker 1: rarefied in in a way that every so many people admired.
Speaker 1: But it never failed to surprise him. Never, he never
Speaker 1: took it for granted. He was always in awe every
Speaker 1: time he came to the White House. The man has
Speaker 1: perpetual childlike awe and wonder over things historic in this
Speaker 1: country and people who were true public servants, and they
Speaker 1: just he was he and he and Dick Cheney had
Speaker 1: a very lovely relationship. You everybody used to say, I
Speaker 1: think I knew Rushed before anybody else in my world.
Speaker 1: And they'd say, your reason, charge of Russia, And I'm
Speaker 1: not in charge of him? And everything? Can I get
Speaker 1: on rushed. Can you call Russian? I never never ever
Speaker 1: ever called. He told me I could call for anybody,
Speaker 1: and the only one I just made a liaison with.
Speaker 1: And then he had his own relationships subsequent to the
Speaker 1: first time was with Dick Cheney and he I think
Speaker 1: he enjoyed those shows. I think they enjoyed each other.
Speaker 1: Yes they did. It was apparent on the air that
Speaker 1: they did, because you could almost feel the bond of camaraderie,
Speaker 1: that they had your perseverance here and your devotion to
Speaker 1: service you and you and rumsfelt both. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: given your lives, your country, You've taken all kinds of
Speaker 1: slings and arrows for it, and I just want you
Speaker 1: to know that, Um, I am at the top of
Speaker 1: the list among people have a great sense of appreciation
Speaker 1: for what you've done. Well mean, in the world count
Speaker 1: from you. Well, I'm I'm flattered, but but you really,
Speaker 1: it's it's an honor to have have been able to know
Speaker 1: you and get to know your family and and your friends,
Speaker 1: and we wish you the best. Mr Vice President. Keep on.
Speaker 1: So last thing, Mary, Here's legacy. What is Russia's legacy?
Speaker 1: You know it's I try to separate out myself as
Speaker 1: a friend and a mentee if you will, because he
Speaker 1: really was a guiding force from my personal life in
Speaker 1: addition to what I just said as an inspiration, but literally,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want to write a book about our experience.
Speaker 1: He goes, are you crazy? One percent of the people
Speaker 1: in the world have ever done what you've done. You
Speaker 1: owe it to them to to you owe it to
Speaker 1: the public to say what it's like. If you're going
Speaker 1: to tell the truth, I always tell the truth. So
Speaker 1: you talked me into writing that book. And it turns
Speaker 1: out I'm not a bad writer, and I write all
Speaker 1: my stuff Longhand, And as you said, I come prepared
Speaker 1: and I'm just you know, the firstborn girl child perfectionist.
Speaker 1: And he made me do that and he opened up
Speaker 1: all new horizons. So there's a personal legacy for me.
Speaker 1: But his public legacy is in addition to what James said,
Speaker 1: absolutely Tran talk about transformation. He was a transformational force
Speaker 1: in the in the industry. But he I think in
Speaker 1: history will show him to be the this era is
Speaker 1: equivalent of like a Socrates. Do you know I know,
Speaker 1: I'm know how I'm the dumbest man in the world.
Speaker 1: That's how I know I'm smart, because I know how
Speaker 1: much I don't know, and I am the smart And
Speaker 1: he was the smartest man that I ever knew. But
Speaker 1: he always was seeking and explaining virtue. And the essence
Speaker 1: of a representative republican freedom is virtue. It takes virtuous people,
Speaker 1: and virtue requires and freedom requires constant vigilance. And he
Speaker 1: I think in the span of history it will he
Speaker 1: will be understood by fair people, by fair historians, which
Speaker 1: there aren't very many, as a pivotal, transformational, socratic type person.
Speaker 1: And if I if you could flash forward, he was
Speaker 1: in the modern era, post Enlightenment. He was more like
Speaker 1: Edmund Burke than Rospierre, you know, like he a good revolution,
Speaker 1: a controlled revolution, and incremental revolution, a constructive revolution. Uh.
Speaker 1: He just I think his legacy will be that he
Speaker 1: guided us through a very from the industrial age to
Speaker 1: the information age, very very, very tricky, while maintaining the
Speaker 1: principles that got us to the position that we could
Speaker 1: continue to progress constructively and humanely and globally if we
Speaker 1: if we had taken his and it wasn't his advice
Speaker 1: and as the wisdom of the ages, and it was reality,
Speaker 1: it was reality. I just think his legacy will will
Speaker 1: really be that honestly, that transformational. And I think Catherine's too.
Speaker 1: You know, she really brought the kind of support and
Speaker 1: structure and love and faith and in him that that
Speaker 1: he was always kind of not missing, but you know,
Speaker 1: like she really hit that sweet spot. And man, im,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to remember about him, is that
Speaker 1: he found not just success, he found his true love
Speaker 1: and his true place and his his his true life.
Speaker 1: He lived his best life. And that's that's a legacy
Speaker 1: in and of itself. Mary, I cannot thank you enough.
Speaker 1: And I and and you know what, I also want
Speaker 1: to thank you, not just for me, not just for
Speaker 1: the time you did here, but you know, all of
Speaker 1: us that love Rush, we thank you for being such
Speaker 1: a good, steady, wonderful friend to our Rush. It was mutual.
Speaker 1: And I want to just say this about Rush. There's
Speaker 1: no body that ever was in the presence of the man,
Speaker 1: ever that I know of liberals or conservatives or a
Speaker 1: political people who didn't think he was the most gentlemanly, interesting, humble,
Speaker 1: informative person they've ever met. And that's true. The man
Speaker 1: was just he was just everything the likes of rush,
Speaker 1: we're not going to see again and forever and and
Speaker 1: and I have to call you. Ooh, he knew he
Speaker 1: and you. I don't think he could have done it
Speaker 1: without you, without the whole team, of course, but you
Speaker 1: were like the his constant touchstone, like you know, everything
Speaker 1: he said, he would take a look at you, or
Speaker 1: how many times as he said, we're talking about this,
Speaker 1: you don't believe you don't think that you disagree with me,
Speaker 1: And it was it's like he was never you never talked,
Speaker 1: which is so cool, Like you just we knew where
Speaker 1: you were and he would describe it, said, behind the thing,
Speaker 1: and it just was that. That was a beautiful relationship.
Speaker 1: And I think a legacy too, because it's something that
Speaker 1: some somebody can have for the length of time that
Speaker 1: he had the same team. You have to be a
Speaker 1: good person with loyalty which goes both ways to have
Speaker 1: the kind of team that he had, which you were
Speaker 1: the spearhead of. So we thank you both, Snarley, James,
Speaker 1: Golden and best, best best for you and please let
Speaker 1: me be a part of your life going forward. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: you know you are. You know. I love you so much, Mary,
Speaker 1: and thank you for everything. And thank you for doing
Speaker 1: this with us. And you know it's just in a way.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still heartbroken, Mary, but you know, just
Speaker 1: speaking with you it brings its smiles. It smiles. You're
Speaker 1: so handsome, You're so cute and so articulate. Please you
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. And I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: can maintain in further the Limbaugh legacy better than you can. Both,
Speaker 1: what an episode. Thank you, Mary Madlen and James Carville.
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