Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2: Do you introduce yourself for the first time on this
Speaker 2: new platform, tell them why you're on and kind of
Speaker 2: what you're doing on here.
Speaker 3: I'm on because you're on, and others are on, and
Speaker 3: people are having two way conversations, and you know, I
Speaker 3: think this notion of this one way conversations broadcasts, it
Speaker 3: doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1: So it's a great opportunity to be.
Speaker 3: Able to meet people where they are and to have
Speaker 3: more substantive and long form conversations.
Speaker 1: So I'm really grateful. It's a great opportunity first time.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, super excited to have you.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks have seen you over
Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks, especially on Midas touch on
Speaker 2: Fred Wellman. You're doing new media more than really other
Speaker 2: leaders in a Democratic party. Do you feel like this
Speaker 2: is the future for Democrats? You know, other Democrats shoud
Speaker 2: follow your lead here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even think it's a future.
Speaker 3: I think it's where we are now, you know, And
Speaker 3: I think if we don't recognize that, we're not going
Speaker 3: to reconcile where where our standing is as it relates
Speaker 3: to the asymmetry of our communication challenges as a party.
Speaker 1: And look, you know, I don't know how you know.
Speaker 3: I think it was Tucker Carlson even today, who basically
Speaker 3: you know, was attacking Fox Or yesterday with Steve Bannon.
Speaker 3: And you know it's when when Tucker Carlson is saying
Speaker 3: it's in essence of propaganda network, I think that's just
Speaker 3: everything you need to know.
Speaker 1: But it's effective, just like Pravdo was effective.
Speaker 3: And it is a communication arm of the Trump administration
Speaker 3: and their surrounds sound and their ability to shape shift
Speaker 3: conversations to put us on the defense is next level.
Speaker 3: And so I think it's foundational. It's fundamental to quote
Speaker 3: unquote our path back that we start to get more
Speaker 3: aggressive in mediums like this, uh and build our own capacity,
Speaker 3: our own opacity not just to push back against that,
Speaker 3: but to truly expand that network of communication and engagement.
Speaker 2: Well, I got to ask you this morning. You kind
Speaker 2: of went into the lines done writing a Fox News
Speaker 2: op ed titled Trump is trying to destroy a democracy,
Speaker 2: Do not let him? What was that OpEd about for
Speaker 2: those who didn't read And why did you choose Fox News?
Speaker 3: Well, because you've got to meet people where they are,
Speaker 3: and it's you've got to hit people that are you
Speaker 3: know that we haven't quote unquote already persuaded. And I
Speaker 3: think one of the things that I think people have
Speaker 3: criticized me, and I totally, I deeply appreciate. I'm very
Speaker 3: I'm probably more self critical than anybody listening or watching.
Speaker 3: I'm not even making that up, like actually, And so
Speaker 3: I use the word humility and grace all the time.
Speaker 3: And I'm constantly trying to iterate and try new things.
Speaker 3: And it's in that process of discovery. And so for
Speaker 3: years I've been screaming and yelling saying we got to
Speaker 3: get out of our own bubble. And I was screaming
Speaker 3: and yelling about it, but I wasn't doing it. So
Speaker 3: it's one thing to preach, it's another to practice. So
Speaker 3: I started, you know, I said, called Sean Hannity. I said, hey,
Speaker 3: you've been attacking me every single damn night. Invited him
Speaker 3: to Ronald Reagan's old mansion, the Governor's mansion in California,
Speaker 3: and we sat down for an unscripted hour and twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: I said, the only rule is no editing. Let's have
Speaker 3: this conversation and and put it up. And he did
Speaker 3: to his credit and ended up not only being on
Speaker 3: Fox and a few of those kind of interviews, did
Speaker 3: a debate with Ron DeSantis, and you know, just started
Speaker 3: to reach sort of breach that bubble, like just surt
Speaker 3: pierce it a little bit and get in.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm trying to there's there's there's a huge.
Speaker 3: Percent, a lot a lot of folks, a lot of Democrats,
Speaker 3: a lot of independence, a lot of persuadables watching Fox
Speaker 3: every night and in reading Fox. And so that's why
Speaker 3: I did that up ed there. And look, I think
Speaker 3: it's self evident. We all know what's happening to our democracy.
Speaker 3: We all know what's happening to the you know, the
Speaker 3: endairy values of our founding fathers. I said all the time,
Speaker 3: the best of the Roman Republican, Greek democracy, co equal,
Speaker 3: co equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, this notion of
Speaker 3: system of checks and balances. And you know, we've seen
Speaker 3: just the total corruption of Speaker Johnson, who's completely capitulated
Speaker 3: and rolled over. There's no checks of ballots is left
Speaker 3: in Congress. They're a lapdog of the Trump administration. That
Speaker 3: means there's one left, and that's the courts. And we're
Speaker 3: about to go into court quite literally in a few
Speaker 3: minutes the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Two out of
Speaker 3: three other judges on our panelic Trumpet judges on a lawsuit.
Speaker 3: But the point is we're counting on the courts, and
Speaker 3: we're counting on people that showed up in record numbers
Speaker 3: over the weekend, unprecedented protests, which is amazing to hold
Speaker 3: up this democracy.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you both about the protest
Speaker 2: but also about this court hearing. Can can you tell
Speaker 2: folks what this court hearing is about. It's about I'm
Speaker 2: assuming the ICE agents being able to work with marines
Speaker 2: to kind of go into homes, into communities and conduct
Speaker 2: these raids. But can you give some more laboration as
Speaker 2: to what folks need to know about this hearing and
Speaker 2: kind of what your expectation is given the fact that
Speaker 2: there are two Trump judges on this circuit panel today.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, so this is about federalism, This is
Speaker 3: about tenth Amendment, this is about the rule of law,
Speaker 3: this is about our constitution. It's about you know this
Speaker 3: idea that you know the Founding fathers, you know, their
Speaker 3: response to a monarchy and king was was this this
Speaker 3: you know thing we frankly times take for granted. And
Speaker 3: and so that's what ultimately is being tested here. And
Speaker 3: that's the theory that Donald Trump can unilaterally decide to
Speaker 3: militarize the streets of America. Happens to be in La now,
Speaker 3: will be in your city next. He did a national order, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, is the point about this being your
Speaker 3: sitting next. It's not unique to California. That allows him
Speaker 3: to if there's a protest, to unilaterally under this section
Speaker 3: twelve four oh six under the you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want to get into more details, but under rubric that's
Speaker 3: well established as it relates to Title ten, under his
Speaker 3: authority the federalized of the federalization of the National Guard
Speaker 3: to decide to militarize by commandeering the National Guard, which
Speaker 3: he's done in California, four thousand National guardsmen and women
Speaker 3: have been taken out of my command and, by the way,
Speaker 3: taken off the beat of doing forest management, vegetation management.
Speaker 3: Three quarters of what we referred to as our rattlesnake
Speaker 3: teams that we're preparing for wildfire season now been pulled off.
Speaker 3: Counter drug task forces to deal with fentanyl. They've been
Speaker 3: pulled off the counter drug task forces, including on border
Speaker 3: issues where they've been deployed for almost six years. They've
Speaker 3: been pulled off, including now the streets where a lot
Speaker 3: of these are police officers, members of law enforcement and
Speaker 3: their day jobs and now have been commandeered by the
Speaker 3: President of the United States for ice enforcement. And so
Speaker 3: that's fundamentally a question at hand. We won case thirty
Speaker 3: six page injunctive belief that we got from Justice Bryer
Speaker 3: last week, and they immediately ran it to the appellate court,
Speaker 3: and today at noon will determine our fate. And if
Speaker 3: you know, we're successful, and I believe we should be
Speaker 3: and will be, that will be a big day in
Speaker 3: the rule of law.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see what happens next. I will say
Speaker 2: I think that this is an issue that has broken
Speaker 2: through really like none other, immigration enforcement, specifically because it's
Speaker 2: impacting every community. Republican, Democrat, independent, doesn't really matter. And
Speaker 2: I think we saw that over the weekend with No
Speaker 2: King's Day protests about five million folks conservatively nationwide, hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands in Los Angeles, San Diego. What's your reaction
Speaker 2: to the protests on the ground.
Speaker 1: People stepped up, They stepped in, and they're the antidote.
Speaker 1: I've said it. I said it in a speech the
Speaker 1: other night.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're the antidote to that fear of anxiety,
Speaker 3: the cynicism you may be feeling. All that's stacking of stress.
Speaker 3: And you know that's stacking of stress. It's real, not
Speaker 3: just the stress the last five months and all things Trump.
Speaker 3: But look, I mean everything you guys have everybody's been through, right,
Speaker 3: the pandemic and social unrest, you know, George Floyd, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, the macroeconomic challenges, supply chain disruptions, and obviously
Speaker 3: now just this this, you know, this next level disruption
Speaker 3: and authoritarian tendencies that we're all trying to push back
Speaker 3: against against Trump administration. But people, what was so amazing
Speaker 3: about this weekend is it showed people I haven't given up.
Speaker 3: And that's extraordinary, and I think, you know, it's you know,
Speaker 3: there's an old adage, you know in business, we talk
Speaker 3: about success leaves clues, the power of emulation, And I
Speaker 3: think the more people show up, the more people feel
Speaker 3: like they're not alone, and the more likely others will
Speaker 3: start to show up, and there's a contagion and a
Speaker 3: positive sense here.
Speaker 1: And that was on display over the weekend.
Speaker 3: And that's honestly, like, that's that's if I have any
Speaker 3: hope left, that's it, because I'm not you know, you know,
Speaker 3: look at looking at what's happened to Congress, look at
Speaker 3: what's happening in our institutions, look at what's happening to
Speaker 3: law firms that are capitulating and selling out. Look what's
Speaker 3: happening to ethics and these attacks and assaults on our courts.
Speaker 3: Was left is we the people and the power of
Speaker 3: people organizing and expressing themselves. I mean, that's why I
Speaker 3: quoted Justice brandeis in a democracy the most important office,
Speaker 3: sorry Donald Trump? And ain't the presidency the most important
Speaker 3: office's office of citizen active non inert citizenship. And that's
Speaker 3: what we're seeing.
Speaker 2: And I think it's important to note that the overhalling
Speaker 2: majority of those protests were peaceful. Across the country, they
Speaker 2: were peaceful. People were I mean, the San Diego PD
Speaker 2: tweeted out saying thank you for being peaceful, thank you
Speaker 2: for exercising your ferston on the right.
Speaker 3: And my nieces and my nephew's out there, my sister
Speaker 3: was out there, and they had, you know, crayon and
Speaker 3: they were doing their own signs.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was next level peaceful.
Speaker 3: And what a point of contrast to the weaponization of
Speaker 3: the extreme exceptions that you see on some of these
Speaker 3: propaganda networks that said otherwise. So no, and that's by
Speaker 3: the way, it's critical one of them.
Speaker 1: Forgive me. It's an aside.
Speaker 3: One of the most extraordinary things that I that I've
Speaker 3: been able to do as governor was getting to know
Speaker 3: this guy James Lawson, and some folks may know, as
Speaker 3: some people may not passed away recently, and James Lawson
Speaker 3: was the one that introduced doctor King to Gandhi and
Speaker 3: non violent protests, and he was living in Los Angeles
Speaker 3: during the George Floyd that I had a chance someone
Speaker 3: introduced me. He said, boy, you really need to meet
Speaker 3: rev and Lawson. You talk about moral authority. Man like
Speaker 3: he just in this presence and I never met him,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you just just your thunderstruck. And I
Speaker 3: remember being in a around table meeting with leaders of
Speaker 3: the of BLM and others that were out there protesting,
Speaker 3: and he started read them the Riot Act.
Speaker 1: He said, this is not the way we did it, and.
Speaker 3: I'm sort of sitting back on and he starts lecturing them, said,
Speaker 3: you've got to have a plan, you got to have
Speaker 3: a strategy, and you cannot be violent, and you cannot
Speaker 3: condone violence. And he talked about the power again, moral
Speaker 3: authority and movements and how movements, you know, becomes sustainable,
Speaker 3: and I'm just reminded of that. It's so important that
Speaker 3: we are reminded of our better angels. And we cannot
Speaker 3: condone the violence. We cannot allow for that. It hurts
Speaker 3: the movement, it sets us back. And it's exactly what
Speaker 3: Trump wants. You're just handing it to him. That's what
Speaker 3: he's looking for, so we can further command and control,
Speaker 3: so we can further militarize the streets of the United States.
Speaker 3: It's exactly what he wants. Let's not give it to.
Speaker 2: Him now, Governor, final question, and before you go, I
Speaker 2: want everyone to go and subscribe to the top left
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Speaker 2: folks who are worried or afraid or scared want answers,
Speaker 2: but they feel like they don't really have them right now?
Speaker 1: What's your message to them?
Speaker 3: You just keep doing what you're doing. The fact that
Speaker 3: you're even listening to this means back to you know,
Speaker 3: you haven't given up the fact that you're still in
Speaker 3: the game. You still care, you still care about your kids.
Speaker 3: Don't care about your family, your community, this nation, the
Speaker 3: world we're trying to build your you know, look, this
Speaker 3: is this is the moment. I mean, we're in it.
Speaker 3: We are in it, and it goes in two directions.
Speaker 3: We can roll over, you know, we could let him succeed.
Speaker 3: We can watch you know, this two hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: year experiment that completely collapse on itself. But we also
Speaker 3: have incredible power in resilience to push back. And so
Speaker 3: I just I pray. I mean, this is not a
Speaker 3: politician saying this. Man, I got four kids and you know,
Speaker 3: and I know we're out of time, but I'm not
Speaker 3: making this up. I was with a twelve year old.
Speaker 3: I got a twelve year old daughter. I was with
Speaker 3: a twelve year old the other day down in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 3: And I can't unsee this, I can't unexperience this. Both
Speaker 3: of his parents were snatched from him twenty plus years
Speaker 3: going in the same fields in Oxnard. He was born
Speaker 3: here it's a sixth grader tears rolling down, I mean
Speaker 3: streaming down. He couldn't even look at me in the
Speaker 3: face because every time he tried to talk, he just
Speaker 3: started a break down. That's Donald Trump's America. He took
Speaker 3: his mom and dad. We just found his mom. They
Speaker 3: just found his mom in a detention facility. He was
Speaker 3: left with nobody, has no brothers and sisters. There was
Speaker 3: no one to take care of him that night. That's
Speaker 3: and Donald Trump is trying to tear this country apart.
Speaker 3: He's going after blue cities, he's going after blue states.
Speaker 3: He's not the president of the United States. He's asserting
Speaker 3: himself exclusively as a president of red states. And we
Speaker 3: cannot allow that to happen. But we can't turn into him.
Speaker 3: As my long winning point, don't turn in to him.
Speaker 3: We're better than that. Everyone wants to be loved, Everyone
Speaker 3: needs to be loved. We all want to be protected,
Speaker 3: we all want to be connected, and we all want
Speaker 3: to be respected. And so I just I pray that
Speaker 3: people recognize that we're all better off. We're all better off.
Speaker 3: We're all in this together. Divorce is not a damn option.
Speaker 3: I'll keep going on. I'm just saying, man, don't give
Speaker 3: don't give up, and yes, divorce is not an option.
Speaker 3: And so I'm just counting on people. And you know again,
Speaker 3: I say that just selfishly as a dad, and so
Speaker 3: thank I just appreciate anybody that tuned in and thank
Speaker 3: you for tuning up in terms of being accountable to
Speaker 3: this moment, society becomes how we behave, We are our behaviors,
Speaker 3: bottom line. Not things are not happening to us. They
Speaker 3: are happening with us, and so we have the ability
Speaker 3: to manifest the better future. It's decisions, not conditions. So
Speaker 3: I think everybody, let's make the wise choices and let's
Speaker 3: not give into this cynicism and let's keep at it.
Speaker 2: You heard it here for his governor. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on. Go subscribe to the Governor's stack.
Speaker 2: This was amazing. Hope to hope to have you again soon.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, all right,