WEBVTT - And, This is Aaron Parnas (Live on Substack!)

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<v Speaker 1>This is Gavin Newsom.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you introduce yourself for the first time on this

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<v Speaker 2>new platform, tell them why you're on and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing on here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on because you're on, and others are on, and

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<v Speaker 3>people are having two way conversations, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think this notion of this one way conversations broadcasts, it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't work anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a great opportunity to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to meet people where they are and to have

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<v Speaker 3>more substantive and long form conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm really grateful. It's a great opportunity first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Yeah, super excited to have you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of folks have seen you over

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<v Speaker 2>the past couple of weeks, especially on Midas touch on

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<v Speaker 2>Fred Wellman. You're doing new media more than really other

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<v Speaker 2>leaders in a Democratic party. Do you feel like this

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<v Speaker 2>is the future for Democrats? You know, other Democrats shoud

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<v Speaker 2>follow your lead here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't even think it's a future.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's where we are now, you know, And

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<v Speaker 3>I think if we don't recognize that, we're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to reconcile where where our standing is as it relates

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<v Speaker 3>to the asymmetry of our communication challenges as a party.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, you know, I don't know how you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was Tucker Carlson even today, who basically

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<v Speaker 3>you know, was attacking Fox Or yesterday with Steve Bannon.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know it's when when Tucker Carlson is saying

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<v Speaker 3>it's in essence of propaganda network, I think that's just

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<v Speaker 3>everything you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's effective, just like Pravdo was effective.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is a communication arm of the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 3>and their surrounds sound and their ability to shape shift

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<v Speaker 3>conversations to put us on the defense is next level.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think it's foundational. It's fundamental to quote

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<v Speaker 3>unquote our path back that we start to get more

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<v Speaker 3>aggressive in mediums like this, uh and build our own capacity,

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<v Speaker 3>our own opacity not just to push back against that,

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<v Speaker 3>but to truly expand that network of communication and engagement.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got to ask you this morning. You kind

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<v Speaker 2>of went into the lines done writing a Fox News

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<v Speaker 2>op ed titled Trump is trying to destroy a democracy,

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<v Speaker 2>Do not let him? What was that OpEd about for

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<v Speaker 2>those who didn't read And why did you choose Fox News?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because you've got to meet people where they are,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's you've got to hit people that are you

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<v Speaker 3>know that we haven't quote unquote already persuaded. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think one of the things that I think people have

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<v Speaker 3>criticized me, and I totally, I deeply appreciate. I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>I'm probably more self critical than anybody listening or watching.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not even making that up, like actually, And so

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<v Speaker 3>I use the word humility and grace all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm constantly trying to iterate and try new things.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's in that process of discovery. And so for

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<v Speaker 3>years I've been screaming and yelling saying we got to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of our own bubble. And I was screaming

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<v Speaker 3>and yelling about it, but I wasn't doing it. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's one thing to preach, it's another to practice. So

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<v Speaker 3>I started, you know, I said, called Sean Hannity. I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you've been attacking me every single damn night. Invited him

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<v Speaker 3>to Ronald Reagan's old mansion, the Governor's mansion in California,

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<v Speaker 3>and we sat down for an unscripted hour and twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, the only rule is no editing. Let's have

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<v Speaker 3>this conversation and and put it up. And he did

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<v Speaker 3>to his credit and ended up not only being on

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<v Speaker 3>Fox and a few of those kind of interviews, did

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<v Speaker 3>a debate with Ron DeSantis, and you know, just started

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<v Speaker 3>to reach sort of breach that bubble, like just surt

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<v Speaker 3>pierce it a little bit and get in.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I'm trying to there's there's there's a huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Percent, a lot a lot of folks, a lot of Democrats,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of independence, a lot of persuadables watching Fox

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<v Speaker 3>every night and in reading Fox. And so that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I did that up ed there. And look, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's self evident. We all know what's happening to our democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>We all know what's happening to the you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>endairy values of our founding fathers. I said all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>the best of the Roman Republican, Greek democracy, co equal,

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<v Speaker 3>co equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, this notion of

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<v Speaker 3>system of checks and balances. And you know, we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>just the total corruption of Speaker Johnson, who's completely capitulated

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<v Speaker 3>and rolled over. There's no checks of ballots is left

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<v Speaker 3>in Congress. They're a lapdog of the Trump administration. That

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<v Speaker 3>means there's one left, and that's the courts. And we're

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<v Speaker 3>about to go into court quite literally in a few

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<v Speaker 3>minutes the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Two out of

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<v Speaker 3>three other judges on our panelic Trumpet judges on a lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point is we're counting on the courts, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're counting on people that showed up in record numbers

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<v Speaker 3>over the weekend, unprecedented protests, which is amazing to hold

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<v Speaker 3>up this democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to ask you both about the protest

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<v Speaker 2>but also about this court hearing. Can can you tell

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<v Speaker 2>folks what this court hearing is about. It's about I'm

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<v Speaker 2>assuming the ICE agents being able to work with marines

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of go into homes, into communities and conduct

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<v Speaker 2>these raids. But can you give some more laboration as

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<v Speaker 2>to what folks need to know about this hearing and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what your expectation is given the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>there are two Trump judges on this circuit panel today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean, so this is about federalism, This is

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<v Speaker 3>about tenth Amendment, this is about the rule of law,

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<v Speaker 3>this is about our constitution. It's about you know this

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<v Speaker 3>idea that you know the Founding fathers, you know, their

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<v Speaker 3>response to a monarchy and king was was this this

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<v Speaker 3>you know thing we frankly times take for granted. And

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<v Speaker 3>and so that's what ultimately is being tested here. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's the theory that Donald Trump can unilaterally decide to

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<v Speaker 3>militarize the streets of America. Happens to be in La now,

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<v Speaker 3>will be in your city next. He did a national order, which,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, is the point about this being your

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<v Speaker 3>sitting next. It's not unique to California. That allows him

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<v Speaker 3>to if there's a protest, to unilaterally under this section

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<v Speaker 3>twelve four oh six under the you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to get into more details, but under rubric that's

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<v Speaker 3>well established as it relates to Title ten, under his

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<v Speaker 3>authority the federalized of the federalization of the National Guard

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<v Speaker 3>to decide to militarize by commandeering the National Guard, which

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<v Speaker 3>he's done in California, four thousand National guardsmen and women

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<v Speaker 3>have been taken out of my command and, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>taken off the beat of doing forest management, vegetation management.

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<v Speaker 3>Three quarters of what we referred to as our rattlesnake

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<v Speaker 3>teams that we're preparing for wildfire season now been pulled off.

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<v Speaker 3>Counter drug task forces to deal with fentanyl. They've been

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<v Speaker 3>pulled off the counter drug task forces, including on border

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<v Speaker 3>issues where they've been deployed for almost six years. They've

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<v Speaker 3>been pulled off, including now the streets where a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of these are police officers, members of law enforcement and

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<v Speaker 3>their day jobs and now have been commandeered by the

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<v Speaker 3>President of the United States for ice enforcement. And so

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<v Speaker 3>that's fundamentally a question at hand. We won case thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six page injunctive belief that we got from Justice Bryer

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<v Speaker 3>last week, and they immediately ran it to the appellate court,

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<v Speaker 3>and today at noon will determine our fate. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're successful, and I believe we should be

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<v Speaker 3>and will be, that will be a big day in

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<v Speaker 3>the rule of law.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll see what happens next. I will say

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<v Speaker 2>I think that this is an issue that has broken

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<v Speaker 2>through really like none other, immigration enforcement, specifically because it's

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<v Speaker 2>impacting every community. Republican, Democrat, independent, doesn't really matter. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think we saw that over the weekend with No

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<v Speaker 2>King's Day protests about five million folks conservatively nationwide, hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands in Los Angeles, San Diego. What's your reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to the protests on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>People stepped up, They stepped in, and they're the antidote.

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it. I said it in a speech the

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<v Speaker 1>other night.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're the antidote to that fear of anxiety,

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<v Speaker 3>the cynicism you may be feeling. All that's stacking of stress.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know that's stacking of stress. It's real, not

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<v Speaker 3>just the stress the last five months and all things Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>But look, I mean everything you guys have everybody's been through, right,

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<v Speaker 3>the pandemic and social unrest, you know, George Floyd, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the macroeconomic challenges, supply chain disruptions, and obviously

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<v Speaker 3>now just this this, you know, this next level disruption

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<v Speaker 3>and authoritarian tendencies that we're all trying to push back

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<v Speaker 3>against against Trump administration. But people, what was so amazing

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<v Speaker 3>about this weekend is it showed people I haven't given up.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's extraordinary, and I think, you know, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's an old adage, you know in business, we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about success leaves clues, the power of emulation, And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the more people show up, the more people feel

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<v Speaker 3>like they're not alone, and the more likely others will

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<v Speaker 3>start to show up, and there's a contagion and a

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<v Speaker 3>positive sense here.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was on display over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's honestly, like, that's that's if I have any

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<v Speaker 3>hope left, that's it, because I'm not you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>look at looking at what's happened to Congress, look at

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening in our institutions, look at what's happening to

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<v Speaker 3>law firms that are capitulating and selling out. Look what's

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<v Speaker 3>happening to ethics and these attacks and assaults on our courts.

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<v Speaker 3>Was left is we the people and the power of

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<v Speaker 3>people organizing and expressing themselves. I mean, that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>quoted Justice brandeis in a democracy the most important office,

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<v Speaker 3>sorry Donald Trump? And ain't the presidency the most important

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<v Speaker 3>office's office of citizen active non inert citizenship. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's important to note that the overhalling

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<v Speaker 2>majority of those protests were peaceful. Across the country, they

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<v Speaker 2>were peaceful. People were I mean, the San Diego PD

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<v Speaker 2>tweeted out saying thank you for being peaceful, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for exercising your ferston on the right.

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<v Speaker 3>And my nieces and my nephew's out there, my sister

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<v Speaker 3>was out there, and they had, you know, crayon and

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<v Speaker 3>they were doing their own signs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was next level peaceful.

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<v Speaker 3>And what a point of contrast to the weaponization of

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<v Speaker 3>the extreme exceptions that you see on some of these

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<v Speaker 3>propaganda networks that said otherwise. So no, and that's by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, it's critical one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Forgive me. It's an aside.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the most extraordinary things that I that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been able to do as governor was getting to know

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<v Speaker 3>this guy James Lawson, and some folks may know, as

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<v Speaker 3>some people may not passed away recently, and James Lawson

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<v Speaker 3>was the one that introduced doctor King to Gandhi and

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<v Speaker 3>non violent protests, and he was living in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 3>during the George Floyd that I had a chance someone

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<v Speaker 3>introduced me. He said, boy, you really need to meet

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<v Speaker 3>rev and Lawson. You talk about moral authority. Man like

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<v Speaker 3>he just in this presence and I never met him,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, you just just your thunderstruck. And I

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<v Speaker 3>remember being in a around table meeting with leaders of

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<v Speaker 3>the of BLM and others that were out there protesting,

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<v Speaker 3>and he started read them the Riot Act.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, this is not the way we did it, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sort of sitting back on and he starts lecturing them, said,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to have a plan, you got to have

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<v Speaker 3>a strategy, and you cannot be violent, and you cannot

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<v Speaker 3>condone violence. And he talked about the power again, moral

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<v Speaker 3>authority and movements and how movements, you know, becomes sustainable,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm just reminded of that. It's so important that

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<v Speaker 3>we are reminded of our better angels. And we cannot

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<v Speaker 3>condone the violence. We cannot allow for that. It hurts

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<v Speaker 3>the movement, it sets us back. And it's exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>Trump wants. You're just handing it to him. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>he's looking for, so we can further command and control,

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<v Speaker 3>so we can further militarize the streets of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>It's exactly what he wants. Let's not give it to.

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<v Speaker 2>Him now, Governor, final question, and before you go, I

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<v Speaker 2>want everyone to go and subscribe to the top left

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<v Speaker 2>cornerhand subscribes to the governor substack. What's your message to

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<v Speaker 2>folks who are worried or afraid or scared want answers,

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<v Speaker 2>but they feel like they don't really have them right now?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your message to them?

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<v Speaker 3>You just keep doing what you're doing. The fact that

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<v Speaker 3>you're even listening to this means back to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't given up the fact that you're still in

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<v Speaker 3>the game. You still care, you still care about your kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't care about your family, your community, this nation, the

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<v Speaker 3>world we're trying to build your you know, look, this

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<v Speaker 3>is this is the moment. I mean, we're in it.

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<v Speaker 3>We are in it, and it goes in two directions.

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<v Speaker 3>We can roll over, you know, we could let him succeed.

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<v Speaker 3>We can watch you know, this two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>year experiment that completely collapse on itself. But we also

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<v Speaker 3>have incredible power in resilience to push back. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I just I pray. I mean, this is not a

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<v Speaker 3>politician saying this. Man, I got four kids and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know we're out of time, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>making this up. I was with a twelve year old.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a twelve year old daughter. I was with

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<v Speaker 3>a twelve year old the other day down in Oxnard, California.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can't unsee this, I can't unexperience this. Both

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<v Speaker 3>of his parents were snatched from him twenty plus years

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<v Speaker 3>going in the same fields in Oxnard. He was born

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<v Speaker 3>here it's a sixth grader tears rolling down, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>streaming down. He couldn't even look at me in the

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<v Speaker 3>face because every time he tried to talk, he just

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<v Speaker 3>started a break down. That's Donald Trump's America. He took

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<v Speaker 3>his mom and dad. We just found his mom. They

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<v Speaker 3>just found his mom in a detention facility. He was

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<v Speaker 3>left with nobody, has no brothers and sisters. There was

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<v Speaker 3>no one to take care of him that night. That's

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<v Speaker 3>and Donald Trump is trying to tear this country apart.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going after blue cities, he's going after blue states.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not the president of the United States. He's asserting

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<v Speaker 3>himself exclusively as a president of red states. And we

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<v Speaker 3>cannot allow that to happen. But we can't turn into him.

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<v Speaker 3>As my long winning point, don't turn in to him.

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<v Speaker 3>We're better than that. Everyone wants to be loved, Everyone

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be loved. We all want to be protected,

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<v Speaker 3>we all want to be connected, and we all want

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<v Speaker 3>to be respected. And so I just I pray that

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<v Speaker 3>people recognize that we're all better off. We're all better off.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all in this together. Divorce is not a damn option.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll keep going on. I'm just saying, man, don't give

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<v Speaker 3>don't give up, and yes, divorce is not an option.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm just counting on people. And you know again,

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<v Speaker 3>I say that just selfishly as a dad, and so

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<v Speaker 3>thank I just appreciate anybody that tuned in and thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for tuning up in terms of being accountable to

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<v Speaker 3>this moment, society becomes how we behave, We are our behaviors,

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<v Speaker 3>bottom line. Not things are not happening to us. They

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<v Speaker 3>are happening with us, and so we have the ability

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<v Speaker 3>to manifest the better future. It's decisions, not conditions. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think everybody, let's make the wise choices and let's

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<v Speaker 3>not give into this cynicism and let's keep at it.

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<v Speaker 2>You heard it here for his governor. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for coming on. Go subscribe to the Governor's stack.

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<v Speaker 2>This was amazing. Hope to hope to have you again soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, all right,