1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: I've never told your production if I heart ideas has 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: to work. Today we are talking about one of my 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: favorite things. Oh my god, Yes, so exciting, Harry Potter. 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: And while yes, I could just talk about Harry Potter, 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna look at women and feminism of Harry pottermatic yes, yeah, 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: and bonus Jane are discussion, yes, which I love. But 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: I also love Harry Potter, so I'm not. I don't 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: know why I'm acting so cool about it, because I do. 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: I really you and I bonded the fact that I 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: do really love Harry Potter. I just don't go all 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: out and where the things as fiction. I see, I 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: see your subtle job, not subtle job. I am maya 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: people who love things, and I love Harry Potter. Um. 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: It was and slashed still is because my mom. You know, 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: when she likes something, it's forever, it's my thing. Yes, 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: every year she gives Harry Potter. So no, every time 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: I think about a present, I'm like, I can't do 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Harry Potter. I know her Mom's going to get her 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: like everything, so that's fine. She's covered from probably mid 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: middle of middle school to high school. Every year she 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: got me these really ornate Harry Potter snow globes. They're 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: awesome and I don't know what to do with them 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: because my apartment is really small, but I love them. 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: If you could put it like tape to the wall, 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: that'd be best for you. Wouldn't it snowlo tape to 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: the wall? Nothing could go wrong. UM. I will say 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: you are one of the more fun people to buy 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: for because you have a lot of loves that's very tangible, 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: which is really nice. So thank you for being that person. 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, I did it all for you. UM. 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: So there are a few significant moments in my life that, um, 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: were made by my love of Harry Potter. There are 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 1: certain trips I take I took that were for Harry Potter. 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: There were for other things, but Harry Potter was in there, 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: and I am of the generation that aged with it. 37 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I graduated high school when the last book came out, um, 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: and I graduated college when the last movie came out. 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: It was a really big part of my life. You know. 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: I actually had a really good friend of mine from 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: college who was also loved. She was the reason I 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: started watching Harry Potter because she loved it so much. 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: I actually went to a midnight viewing of Harry Potter, 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Harry Potter and Goblet of Fire. That's what I think 45 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: got me into starting. Oh, I actually like this, let 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: me go back and read what happened. And also because 47 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: I can't wait, I want to know what happened. So 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: I went forward and started reading everything. And I think 49 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: by the time I got into it, everything was published, 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: so I was already cool into it. But this was 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: her escape, Like she had a really really rough childhood, 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: very empathetic to the point that it hurts her. She's 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: one of those, and having Harry Potter as her world, 54 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: it's a part of who she was, really helped her, 55 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: I think, survive a bit of the backlash that was 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: her family, not the Bilash, but the problems that were 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: within her family, within her family and her own like 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: financial stuff. Harry Potter got her through a lot of that. 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: So Yeah, I think I love that we were going 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: to talk about this because that's exactly what she kind 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: of jumps into, which I never thought about. Yeah, and interestingly, 62 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: kind of off of that, if you go back in 63 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: her traumic says my most, probably my most dramatic time 64 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: was fourteen to fifteen, and that's when Goblet of Fire 65 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: came out, and I just remember taking such refuge in it, 66 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: even though it was probably the first one that was 67 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: really difficult, but it was it just swept you up 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: and there they're essentially mysteries and so you're trying to 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: figure out who did it, what's going on, and it 70 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: was it was also yeah, for me, a way to 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: kind of deal with what I was going through. And 72 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: they continued to be that. Um yeah, I've made friends 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: off of them, so it was so powerful, and I 74 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: did to give a brief overview. We're not the only 75 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: people who like Harry Potter. Surprise, surprise. Um. The first book, 76 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, came out in and 77 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: the series of seven books went on to sell millions 78 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: of copies, five hundred million copies more than that, it's 79 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: the best selling series of books of all time. Um. Yeah. 80 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: And for people who didn't grow up during this or 81 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: maybe somehow missed it, it's hard to capture how popular 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: they were. We waited in line at bookstores at midnight 83 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: they had midnight releases of books, which was ridiculously rare yes, 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: and then we would stay up all night and read them. 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: I have pictures of everyone because I actually didn't get 86 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: into them until the third one came out. So I 87 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: have a picture of four through seven, me and all 88 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: my friends. It's five am, and we're trying to beat 89 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: each other, right, and I'd love to find that it's 90 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: still on going. My niece who was still in high school, 91 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: I think she's now ninth grade. Oh, I'm sorry, Grace, 92 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry Annie, Whoa, I'm sorry, Addie. There's too many 93 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: nieces and nephew I'm sorry to god. They're all A's 94 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: except Um. Anyway, she has now gotten into it and 95 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: it's completely obsessed and loves everything about Harry Potter and 96 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: I love it. It's been so long, people, last book 97 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: was released, all the movies are done. People have kind 98 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: of gone on, but it's still a big thing in 99 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: their world, in the world because it's kind of timeless, 100 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: kind of like The Lord of the Rings Um and 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: all of the trilogy. It kind of continues, goes, continue, 102 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: continues to be relevant because it's their own world, which 103 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: is fantastic. Yeah, my nephew, he's eight or nine. He 104 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: just got into them, and I feel like the coolest 105 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: person ever because he visited my old house where I 106 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 1: grew up, and it was essentially a shrine Harry Potter, 107 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: and it's all been confined into one section now that 108 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: doesn't really fit with the adult guest room vibe the 109 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: rest of the room. But he goes in there and 110 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: he's just in love and we've gotten, um, like a 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: trivia contest with each other, and just seeing that level 112 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: of fandom for this book series that, yeah, it's been 113 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: over for a long time. The movie series has been over. 114 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: And then when you go we went to the Harry 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: Potter world in Universal and the just the wide range 116 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: of ages and diverse groups of people there that shows 117 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: really popular and a lot of people connect with it 118 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: still right. Yes, Um, the movies were huge box office 119 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: successes and the theme park is a huge hit, huge 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: money maker. Someone will wait in about a four hour 121 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: line to get to the ride four to five hours. Yes. Uh. 122 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: The last four installments of the books set records for 123 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: fastest selling books, and the last one sold eleven million 124 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: copies in twenty four hours, the first twenty four hours. Yes, 125 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: And my favorite thing I did with that one is 126 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: I wrote out my theory before I read it, as 127 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: you know I like to do, And as I was reading, 128 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: I updated the theory. And you know, towards seven am, 129 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: the theory is perhaps not very good, and it was 130 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: really funny. I thought the spirit of Dumbledore was trapped 131 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: inside a wand and it was gonna come out. I'm 132 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: so glad I wrote it down, though it gives me 133 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: so much store. Did you include then too, your fan infection? 134 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: Though since it wasn't in the actual books you created 135 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: your own. I did not include that in my fan fiction. No, 136 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: you needed we do. You needed to do something right. 137 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: It's unfinished. Oh gosh, but I know it's true. It's true. 138 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: Maybe I could bring Harry back. Also, I forgot about this. 139 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: The New York Times created a second best so not 140 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: a second best seller list, specifically for children's literature, because 141 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: the Harry Potter books were taking up all of them 142 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: and people were mad, like authors were mad about it. 143 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: So they did that in the year two thousand, before 144 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: Goblet of Fire came out. Smart Yeah, and the value 145 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: of the franchise is estimated to be around twenty five 146 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: billion dollars, one of the most lucrative franchises of all 147 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: times still going. It is still going. Fantastic Beasts stuff 148 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: in the place which I did see. I did see it. 149 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: The popularity of the series has Yeah, it spawned a 150 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: massive fandom, essays upon essays, fan fiction books about all 151 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: kinds of aspects of Harry Potter. I have a book 152 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: that my mom gave me that kind of teaches you 153 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: how to do divination, read poems, have a class word 154 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: starts that you gave me that is all Harry Potter, 155 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: which I love. That's where I forgot about that. UM 156 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: tourism plays viral YouTube videos, parodies real life quidditch, and 157 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: podcasts and podcasts just where we are. UM So we 158 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: do have a guest with us today. But before we 159 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: get in, disclaimer one. We were on a time crunch, 160 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: so we could have talked forever, right, but we had 161 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: to kind of keep it tight. Uh And then to think, 162 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: I say this in there. I read the books twenty 163 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: two times each when I was young, each each. I 164 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: have a weird thing with numbers, but I have I've 165 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: only read them once since then, and it was a 166 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. But I still feel pretty confident 167 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: I can win any trivia contest. So far, I have 168 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: not let myself down in that regard, but I haven't. 169 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: I haven't read them since I've become kind of in 170 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: this show and looking at things from a feminist lens 171 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: all of the time. I think there's sort of a 172 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: natural thing that happens when you're a woman and you 173 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: do that. But I wasn't super analytical as what I'm 174 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: trying to say. But all right, let's let our guests 175 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: introduce yourself. My name is Snassy Ballspan and I am 176 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: the cow post of Harry Potter and the Sacre Test 177 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: and the host of Hot and Bothered and on Harry 178 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Potter Saper Test, we treat Harry Potter like it was 179 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: a sacred test? Can we say that, um, sacred is 180 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: an action and not a thing, and it depends on 181 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: how you interacted the things, and so we um talk 182 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: sort of talk to Harry Potter and nastic questions about 183 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: our lives and see what advance is back and then 184 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm hot and fathered. You do that was romance novels 185 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: um so reading and writing her Ancient Sacred Practices and 186 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: on Hairy Potting Sacre tracts Reading the Sacred and Mom bothered. 187 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: We treat working a sacred and can you what is 188 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: the benefit of of doing that, of treating it as 189 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: a sacred text or how does that help you shape 190 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: um episodes? Yeah, Um, I mean there are a helpful 191 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: of benefits. First of all, it's just incredibly earnest. I 192 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: think that you know, we all can get bogged out 193 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: in cynicism and sarcasm, and this is a place where 194 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: we bring like genuine love and our unabashed in our 195 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: nerve them. Um. I'm actually not sure what that like, 196 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: Karen border that to be in nursery. But um, the 197 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: other world benefit is community, you know. The I mean, 198 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: I feel like we all know that's that millennials and 199 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: younger are having an absolute epidemic of learning note with 200 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: the isolation button by technology leading to higher level of 201 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: profession and anxiety. And I worked with college students for 202 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: the last seven years, and um, it's really wild to 203 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: be the increase of acute mental health problems and um 204 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: and that it is entirely due to isolation and social isolation, 205 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: to feelings as though you're connecting even when you're not. UM, 206 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: and so treating something is sacred one of the key 207 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: tenants of doing so in community, and so we have 208 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: over fifty five Harry Potter and Picker text Wattle group 209 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: followed the beat all over the world. They've learned a 210 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: lot via started Black Pelo seventeen people. We tried to 211 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: do as many lives events as possible and appleizes on FEO. 212 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: People turned to each other and Harry Potter is pretty 213 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: special as far is building community. It is so ubiquitous. 214 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: You know, you can like say, ralot of one one hey, 215 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: don't otherwise see the same language abs and we'll feel 216 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: like too um and so really, you know, we made 217 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: each other and Harry Potter is a great way to 218 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: bring people together who other wives not necessarily have a 219 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: lot in common. Yes, I totally agree. And as we 220 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: were discussing before we got started, I am a huge 221 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: Harry Potter fan. I don't think it's a secret to 222 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: anyone listening that that is true. And I was one 223 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: of the people that when the first book came out, 224 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: I grew up with the characters. I graduated high school 225 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: when the last book came out, and graduated college when 226 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: the last movie came out, And it was just a 227 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: really formative and impactful thing on my whole life. UM. 228 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: So I was wondering if you could speak to to 229 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: your Harry Potter story and how you got into this specifically. Yeah, 230 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't really embarrassing Harry Potter story. I was a 231 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: little too old for it, um, and so I didn't 232 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: I just didn't read it um as a kid. And 233 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: then in my early twenties I started dating with I 234 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: W I ended up doing with for seven years, who's 235 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: wonderful and good friend. And he on our first date 236 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: it came out that I haven't read Harry Potter and 237 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: he had a red Kane air. And so what we 238 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: did for our second date was we went to a 239 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: bookstore and I bought him Jane Eyre and he bought 240 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: me the first two Harry Potter Got Only Spots and Um, 241 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: Janior is now one of my favorite books, and the 242 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: Harry Potter is now how I make a living. So 243 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: I would say it was just the stressful spot um. 244 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: And it really, you know, the first the first book 245 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: I could have read for him, and then the second one, 246 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I freaking love it, um, And yeah, 247 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: I didn't really turn back. But what did end up 248 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: happening was I went I went to Divinity e Pool 249 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: and tu to Divinity Pool because I should work to 250 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: education for ten years, and it was getting really despondent 251 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: over what. I just realized that we actually know how 252 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: to fix our education system, but it is like racism 253 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: that prevents us to the country and from fixing our 254 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: education system. And that to me seems like a soul 255 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: problem more than a wasn't a like education work form 256 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: policy issue. And so I went to Divinity School thinking 257 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: that I wanted to understand to the heart behind behind, 258 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: like why we hate each other. And then I got 259 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: about halfway to Divinity School and was like, Oh, it's 260 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: really awkward that I'm here because I'm an atheist and 261 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: I don't really know how to get the most out 262 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: of it. And every time I tried to pay with 263 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: the Bible, I get really distracted, you know, the granshops, 264 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: Holocaust divisors, and so any prayer and temple having to 265 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: do with like benevolents, I'm like, you're like not greid 266 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: at that um. And so I asked one of my 267 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: favorite professors if she would teach me how to pray 268 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: using Jane Eyre, because um, I loved Jane Eyre. And 269 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: so I thought it would be easier and all of that, 270 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: I realized that, you know, Jane Eyre has the effecting problems, 271 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: but the Bible has a met debory, but chads, it 272 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: was borne out of an imperfect world and um, and 273 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: so it is incredibly imperfect. And we developed, you know, 274 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: we disoloved this idea that you know, just talked to 275 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: that this idea I didn't develop that we on the 276 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: first to this idea is that and something doesn't have 277 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: to be perfect in order for it to be sacred, 278 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: and nothing right, but nothing is perfect. And so I 279 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: started running a Jane Eyre the Distake Protector reading group 280 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: and it was a really beautiful and like hardy group 281 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: of four women who came out every week in the 282 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: Boston winter, and it was it was the winter was 283 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: that we got a home bench in a month and 284 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: it was just the let shows. He was always going 285 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: out and it was still Nate and um. One week, 286 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: my son Caper came just to sort of see what 287 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: I was up to, and at the end he was like, 288 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: this was really cool what you're up to, But it 289 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: would be even cooler if we didn't with a book 290 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: that people actually wanted to read. And I was like, 291 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: what working people actually un want to read? And he 292 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: was like, well, Carrie Potter and I was like, oh yeah, 293 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: that's a really good idea. And we ran the class 294 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: with MB people came and then we started hearing people 295 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: from all over the world saying, I've heard your wanting 296 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: a Harry Potter spret night joint. I'd skype in from 297 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: New Zealand and UM on our from that. You know, 298 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: we were trying to figure out what to do with 299 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: that because people were sharing really vulnerable things and we 300 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: didn't think screen get it yet, not fun, not recommended 301 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: to make a podcast, and now we have just huge 302 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: international community of people reading Terry Potter. Gred, that was 303 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: a very long answer to your question. I love it. 304 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna answer it was great, UM, And that's something 305 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: I've on a much smaller scale experienced when um one 306 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: of my best friends to this day, we met because 307 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: she had a Harry Potter folder and it was seventh 308 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: grade and I was like, oh, I've got to I've 309 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: got to talk to her. UM. So the header on 310 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: your site reads reading fiction doesn't help us escape the world. 311 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: It helps us live in it. And I think for 312 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people books, fictional books, and particularly maybe 313 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, which is really popular but aim towards children, 314 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: even though adults love it as well. Um, it's easy 315 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: to dismiss. Um. And I was wondering if you could 316 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: expound on that header. And also, what do you think 317 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: the value of examining these works of fiction through a 318 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: feminist lens? What do you think that value is? Yeah, 319 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just talk, you know, talk about my 320 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: own history with bridging book. I was a weird kid. 321 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: A lot of us were, and I was like too 322 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: loud and um, everyone called me like bossy and you know, 323 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: I was like in a sort of girl in the eighties. Um. 324 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: And then I I read the book Caddy Woodlawn and 325 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: I felt so seen by the character of Caddy in 326 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: a way that you know. And I had a best 327 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: friend and she brothers that I was very close too, 328 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: but really in a way that um, I've never felt 329 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: seen by um, by a person, you know, just because 330 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: you get to know all of their inner thoughts when 331 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: you're reading a book. And my mom heard me talk 332 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: about how much I loved it, and so she read 333 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: it and um, you know, it was gared toward third graders. 334 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: She read it fairly quickly and um, and there was 335 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: a scene between a mother and a daughter saying, I 336 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: know that you think I don't love you because I 337 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: always tell you to act more lady like. And but um, 338 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: like we put like, I love you so much my 339 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: mom's box the two pages and I put a star 340 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: on it, and it like, it just changed my entire 341 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: sense of self knowing that my mom also the mom 342 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: charge was made with my mom, and Chatty West made 343 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: with me, and I gave us the way to talk 344 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: about things that are really hard to talk about. Right 345 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: when you're eight or nine years old, you don't pull 346 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: your mom inside and say I feel if you don't 347 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: love me because I'm loud, um, and your mom doesn 348 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: employ you aside and say I know I get mad 349 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: at you, but like I love you more than anything. Basically, 350 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: I just found that we need something be focusing on 351 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: outside of ourselves. Have difficult conversations. Right, you put two 352 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: people in front of a football game and it's something 353 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: that yell at every minute, they're going to be more 354 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: likely to have that awkward conversation. Um. Then if you're 355 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: just like in a room together having to look into 356 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: each other's eyes. UM, and we say this just you know, 357 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: when I was a chaplain and I was meeting a 358 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: university students, it would come and see me and I'd say, 359 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: how do it. You know what brought you to visit today? 360 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: And they'd be like, oh, I don't know. Um. And 361 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: so the deal I would always make is I'd say, 362 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, bringing me UM, then me a favorite poem 363 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: or a favorite essay or um, whatever favorite song, and 364 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: I would read it and then look, get back together 365 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: in a week when we will just talk about this 366 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: thing went together and you know, you have two minutes 367 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: being to talking about from David's After Law short story 368 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: and suddenly it's like, well, I'm wearing about my dad 369 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: because and there's just something so freeing about a text. Um. 370 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: It means that you're not alone, right If you get 371 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: to know the inside of somebody else thought process, um, 372 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: and it resonates with you. It just it makes you 373 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: feel like a part of the world again. UM. So 374 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: I just think that there's something really special and inspirational 375 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: and UM. And I think that the more isolated in 376 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: the process originalized you are, the more that that can 377 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: be true. UM. You know, a friend of mine who 378 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: ended up setting chopping with me over that co word. 379 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: He U grew up as like a queer kidneral North 380 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: Carolina and being able to read you know, Damn Savage 381 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: really like saved his life on a daily basis. So 382 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: I think that, and you know, reading James Bald because 383 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: a huge James problem fan, and I think reading Glani 384 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: Burn and knowing that he wasn't the only one like 385 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: that and save ten. So I think that, Yeah, so 386 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: we can be more vulnerable in stooks they don't judge us. Yeah, 387 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I agree, and you can you can connect and kind 388 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: of it's a way to explore things or ideas that 389 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: might be scary to you. All right, Yeah, it is. 390 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: It's nice to be involved in something that you feel 391 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: like you're a part of it, and you're part of 392 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: a different world that's kind of outside of yourself, which 393 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: is really nice. And I didn't want to come back 394 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: to Any's question about how do you feel like this 395 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: came in with like the feminist perspective of Harry Potter. 396 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: Why was it so important that it came into this 397 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: role for you as you're journeying and having the conversation 398 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: about a connection in different type of literature or written text. 399 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: Where did you come in? Like, and let's talk about feminism, 400 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: let's talk about the women of Harry Potter. How did 401 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: that come about? So you know, I don't know what 402 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: inspired me to do it exactly, but at the end 403 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: of every episode of Harry Pottery, Protective Blacks, a character 404 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: from the chapters, not captas Idea casts a really big 405 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: fan of lessings. He's a big fan of the poet 406 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: John or Johnny Hue, who talks a lot about offering 407 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: less things um and out of talk Claret and then 408 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: I said that I'm a a gonna blessed women, and 409 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: Casper was just like, okay, and asmanism, and and it 410 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: just became I said, I was going to do it 411 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: for the first book, but now we're in book six 412 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: and I have only blessed women. I had to get 413 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: lung chapter where I just said I would like to 414 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: bless all these invisible women because they were new women 415 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: in it. And it just has become such a rigorous 416 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: practice of um, of really trying to lift up the 417 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: women who I might not notice otherwise, I don't think 418 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: I'd ever really paid attention to madam Osmarda or um, 419 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: Padma or but I would get sick of bunding her. Mighty, 420 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: I love her, Myne, and she deserves all the blessings 421 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: in the entire world. But just out of sheer boredom 422 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: of my own voice saying her name would be like 423 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: I've got to find another woman in this chapter. Um. 424 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: And also just the limitations to the lab has forced me, 425 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, to bless women that I never thought I 426 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: would bless. You know, it's there's the chapter UM of 427 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: spinners ends and Beltricks and Mercessar are the only two 428 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: women in that chapter. And so it's like, Okay, I 429 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: want to find a way to within my heart and 430 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: be compassionate to one of these two women. And you know, 431 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: I remember the chapter with um when do we get 432 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: introduced to Dabby, but to me as the only woman 433 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: in that chapter? Um. And so it's it has forced 434 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: me to lift up women the way that we know 435 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: that women are on the outside of um, of board 436 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: room tables and on the outside of a lot of decisions. 437 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: It's forced me to It's forced me to pay attention 438 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: to the woman on the outside, the men in the middle. Yeah, 439 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: I before we did this, I made a list of 440 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: all the female characters, and I was just thinking about, Okay, 441 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: but well, how could I look at this one like 442 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: as a through feminism lens of feminism? And before I 443 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: came in here, I read so many research papers, mostly 444 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: about her minding, and it was very heated. I was 445 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: kind of surprised at the ongoing debate about her character. 446 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: Was one of the things, whether she should have been 447 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: with Harry Ron. No, most of it was actually like 448 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: out of context. She cried this one time she was 449 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: perfect everyone. I mean, she's obviously not perfect. She's actually 450 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: quite violent and can be horrible, and what she does 451 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: to marry out an edge Stone is unforgivable. She's wonderful, 452 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, yeah, so her money. Yeah, she's the 453 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: source of a lot of debate because she is the 454 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: primary female character in the books. Um. In my personal take, 455 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: when I was reading all of this criticism of her, 456 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: I do feel like they took it out of context 457 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: and didn't look within the arc of her whole character 458 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: in all of the books, because she does start out 459 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: kind of being damseled. She's got a crush on Lockhart. 460 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: But like, if I examined one instance from when I 461 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: was that age, I wasn't like a super feminist. She 462 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: was one that came to the rescue almost every time, 463 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: no matter what situation was happening. Yes, so yeah, let's 464 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: talk about her money. You look so excused. I wish 465 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: you could see her face right now. She's just grinning 466 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: from ear to ear. It's so excited right now. I mean, 467 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: my job's middle name is how Mimi there is. I 468 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: love Harry Potter too. I don't know if I'm any 469 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: level of Harry Potter. She definitely wears all the gear. 470 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: But I definitely do know all all the books and 471 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: did love love everything about it. And I did love also, 472 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: just to put this in context, that it did grow. 473 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: Each book grew with the age of the children and 474 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: the like, the darkness and the depth of it grew 475 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: with all of it, which is very fun. But yeah, 476 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about her money. I think for me, one 477 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: of the first things I think of her money is 478 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: she's so smart, such a badass. They would have died 479 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: without her. And the interesting thing there is some people 480 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: criticize that because she was had the higher expectations placed 481 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: on her if she hadn't done packed the bag and 482 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: definitely hallows for example, what would they have done. Um, 483 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: So she was just expected to and she even complains 484 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: about that. And that's the interesting thing about her or 485 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: one of them, because she is in many ways interesting. 486 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: But she calls it out, and she calls out multiple 487 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of gender stereotypes that they're placing on her throughout 488 00:27:53,320 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: the series. Um, which is it's self away are in 489 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: a way like, yes, this is a problematic thing, but 490 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: I recognize it's a problematic thing. Well, I don't think 491 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: it's the boys aren't supposed to be like super fun 492 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: about right. It's exposing a dynamic. But I think there's 493 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: absolutely the case and the characters are supposed to be 494 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: some my understanding, even a couple of years older, are 495 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: you and um? Because I think that right, like they 496 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: were born in nineteen and so you know that these 497 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: are like scary, realistic conversations with young people we're having, 498 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: right Like, why should I do that? Because in the goal? Um, 499 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: and so I think that they are discovering their voices. 500 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: And I also think that, you know, I think that's 501 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: the thinking about her mine as a black character. It's 502 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: also really helpful because it would in some ways triple 503 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: justify all the tacks on her of being novel born 504 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: in a visiting world, of being a woman in a 505 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: man's world, and then being a black witch in England. 506 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: I think, of course she's going to be in this 507 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: accomplished young woman very I mean, she's growing it. But 508 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: she of course that wasn't harder than anybody else if 509 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: she has all of that to carry on her. Um. 510 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think the boys are good for her, 511 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: But I also think that we all sometimes have done 512 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: run type of boys in our lives. And I don't 513 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: think she's a problematic character. I think she's a complicated character. 514 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: I agree. Um, I definitely didn't read and I haven't 515 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: read them again since I mean a couple of years, 516 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: but I read them like twenty times when I was 517 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: a kid, and I never was reading it like she 518 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: was just as strong as character like that's that's what 519 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: I took from it. And I always thought she was 520 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: working hard because she was a muggle morn and she 521 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: did have something she felt like she had something through 522 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: but also she just really was into it right exactly, 523 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: which the real personalities apparently. But yeah, she was a 524 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: nerd type of personality who absolutely wanted to make sure 525 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: she was on point at all times. Yeah, which most 526 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: successful women or those who identifies fimls have to be 527 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: to prove that they can do something that they have 528 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: to be a hundred sure that they can prove themselves 529 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: before they speak out loud, which is absolutely reflected with 530 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: her mind's character. And I was so interesting that the 531 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: fist comparisons me with him the book Ernie mcnellan, who's 532 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: also like studier and um bad being right about ever 533 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: last thing, and he does not come off while as 534 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: a character, um he becomes prefactive apple path. He you know, 535 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: he's the only one who made sit into potions in 536 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: a couple of tips in the sixth year. And so 537 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: as far as the direct comparison to her money, Lucy 538 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: a boy who is, as you know, obsessed with success, 539 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: and I think that he's written, um, just as like 540 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: snivelly as her money is. So I don't think that 541 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: there's like a sex gendered access to that. I think 542 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: there's sexism in the book, but I don't think that's 543 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: the books right. I feel like in the book that 544 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: had the most problematic issues with the girlfriends, the Ron's 545 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: girlfriend and then um Harry's girlfriend what's her name? Yeah, 546 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: in which they are seeing a shrill and overly jealous 547 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: which like they kind of compete with Hermione almost as 548 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: a pitted woman gets a girl against a girl, which 549 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: was always bothered me the most was like, why do 550 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: they have to all hate each other? I think that's 551 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: exactly right, especially lading to her, who is written for 552 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: a laugh and Um really Want is terrible to her. 553 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: Want is using her to make her moneys AlSi because 554 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: he's stiffy feels not stilly, he's feels ashamed about the 555 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: fact that he hasn't kissed anybody in her money's kissed 556 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: Victor Um and he just uses her and then the 557 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: book mocks her and it's really terrible and then she dies. 558 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's really Lavender gets the real 559 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: short end of this day. Luckily, Sam fiction I think 560 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: has resurrected Lavender to a large extent, but the books 561 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: don't do her any favors. Have you any included her 562 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: in your fan fiction Lavender at any point, so I've written, 563 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: Harry Putter fan fiction. I don't know why some manth 564 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: is bringing this up right now, because she brought up 565 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: and you do a really great job with fan faction 566 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: and I understand. So I actually really don't like romance. 567 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: The Lavender never featured, but maybe I should give her 568 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: a redemptive arc um Are her money do some kind 569 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: of adventure together. Maybe my favorite romantic us written four 570 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: Lavenders that Hurt and Parvety run a way together, because 571 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: I realized that not just Ben love, but I love 572 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: a love story. We have some more of our discussion 573 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: around Harry Potter, but first we have one quick break 574 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: forward from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor. UM. 575 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: I did want to go back to her money because 576 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to reading about feminism and Harry Potter, 577 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: it always comes up as few do remember it didn't 578 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: get enough playtime on the movies. It wasn't in the 579 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: movies at all at all, and that it was very 580 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: sad about that. It was a very important part of 581 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: her It really was. Yeah, So for listeners who don't know, 582 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: this is the Society for Promotion of Elvish Welfare. She 583 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: starts fire in the fourth one except for Dobby one right, 584 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: which I do find really interesting because because you can 585 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: say that's sort of like intersectional feminism at play. Um 586 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: exactly right, right, So I didn't know this but it 587 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: was based on one of the first organizations for women 588 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: in Britain, calls View Society for Promoting the Employment of Women. 589 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: I do not know that this second bring in some 590 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: new facts. I try. I try. Another thing she does 591 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: is she starts Dumbledore's Army because something else that comes 592 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: up a lot is building community two tackle issues, and 593 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: she is the one often frequently spearheading these things and 594 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: getting things done. So I I feel like she doesn't 595 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways encompass sort of where we 596 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: are right now with feminism, which is interesting. This interesting, yeah, 597 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: and I think you know, all we can act to 598 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: people that they learned um and she learned from you right, 599 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: Like it goes horribly. I mean, she does such a 600 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: better job as that as the founder of Jumbledore's Army, 601 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: of like really scaffolding it um so that everybody feels 602 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: like a part of it, of getting you know, buy 603 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: in early on, of having here you'd be the teacher. Um. 604 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: She was a much better job organizing rather than preaching UM. 605 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: And I feel like as far as like teenage activism goes, 606 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: it's pretty great. She was like at the time she's 607 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen, she's nailed at fifteen. Yeah, I gret 608 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: A Thurnberg, Yes, oh yeah, doesn't been really happy. I 609 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: wasn't expecting that she just clutched her heart. I did 610 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: I buy had girls, they would have been clutched. Sorry. 611 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: Her mane one of the Year and level in the 612 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: Wizarding World. Um So, since in the interest of time, 613 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: I had all these characters written out, but because we're 614 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: kind of on a time crunch, are there are there moments? 615 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: Are characters as far as feminism goes, are your favorite 616 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: or are things that you really like to to dig 617 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: into your discuss Yeah? I think that, um, Jenny has 618 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: become a really interesting character to be thinking about with 619 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: the newtube movement happening. I you know, the first three 620 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: times I read the book, but I did not read 621 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: Jinny as like an assault victim, which obviously she is 622 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: the palm Little's diary and um, and I just think 623 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: the most one of the most beautiful melents in the 624 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: whole series is when when Jimmy concerned Perry and says, 625 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: I can't believe he's gonna come talk to me. It's 626 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: not like I have been possessed by Voldemort or anything, 627 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: And here goes, oh my god, I'm sorry, I forgot, 628 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: and she says lucky you, and that lucky you just 629 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: holds the whole need two movement to me of you know, 630 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: lucky society that they've gotten to turn away from this 631 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: lucky lucky Harvey wine scene with the fact that yesterday 632 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: we found out he's not going to get any Gail 633 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: time when he's not about to play a dime of 634 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: the day and money. Um, and I think Jimmy is 635 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: just holding up a movement with that lucky you and um, 636 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: and Molly's love for James. You know, she's screens Jimmy 637 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: and book to know it's all caps at an exclamation 638 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,479 Speaker 1: point and then obviously there's not my daughter, you bitch 639 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: moment um. And so I thinking Molly and Jenny have 640 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: a real bond that is to a large extent obviously 641 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: the mother and daughter, but I also think to the 642 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: large extent is based in trauma and Jenny wanting to 643 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: be out the world in Molly's really wanting to protect 644 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: her um. And it's just it's a really beautifully rot 645 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: description and um, the situation that I think is all 646 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: be familiar. Yeah, um, that's that's a good moment. And 647 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: I also had forgotten that in the sixth one Ron 648 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: kind of sledge shameser and you're gonna call me what 649 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: what I know? Oh my gosh, it's like, say it, 650 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: what are you going to call me? Yeah? Do it? 651 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: I dare you to do it, because well, you know, 652 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: she could win, that's right. Um. And I did want 653 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: to touch on because I feel like a lot of 654 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: people forget about Lily Pottery and she, I mean, her 655 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: act of sacrifice and love in the beginning is kind 656 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: of the most powerful thing. That's kind of her whole 657 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: character overall, with Snap and all that, she is just 658 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: a compassionate individual who goes for the underdog. Yeah. And 659 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: you only have kind of the sanitized version of what 660 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: Harry knows because he's a narrator. But she did, she 661 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: does this thing and that throughout the books is the strong, powerful, 662 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of defining thing. Um. And I have read a 663 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: lot of fan fiction where they're like, you know, really 664 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: she's the one that's powerful, the power, you know, not 665 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: and people don't credit her right where they should, right. Yeah, 666 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: And we do a piece like Memories of Snap, Um, 667 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: she was willing to stand up to him. We see 668 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: that memory of Lily and Petunia. Um fighting it, you know, 669 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: platform mine in three quarters and really and trying to 670 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: get Petunia on board. Um with the fact that she's 671 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: going to hazards. Right, we see a lot of Lily 672 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: and I think she was pretty exceptional. And even if 673 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: she wasn't, I think the fact that she does. You know, 674 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: I think the James because a short end of the stick, 675 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: because James made the same sacrifice for both Harry and Lyes. Um. 676 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: But I love that this one active sacrifice give him 677 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: so much meaning because I think it came. We think 678 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: once active sacrifice can changed the courts of someone's life. Um. 679 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: And it's really beautiful. Yeah. Oh, I just remember reading 680 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: the seventh book and sobbing, sobbing. There's so many memories 681 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: in our face. I know. We do have a little 682 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: bit more for listeners, but first we have one more 683 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: group break for work from our sponsor back. Thank you. 684 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: So I didn't want to come back to because you 685 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: talked about Jane Eyre being your favorite book, and I 686 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: don't hear I hear a few people talk about that, 687 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: but I don't hear many people saying that as their favorite. 688 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: I love Jane Eyre because I love le Bronte Sisters, 689 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: because I also liked Weathering Heights. I know that's way 690 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: out there as well. Um, but what was it about 691 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: Jane Eyre that made you connect so heartily in us, 692 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: like almost a spiritual level with that book and the character? 693 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: You know, it's such a good question. It's just such 694 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: a good It's just such a good book. So that 695 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: Um obviously first fourteen and I love a love story. 696 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure that I loved the love story. 697 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: And then it just meets be where you are? You know. 698 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: Then I reread it, um as I was thinking about 699 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: going the Divinity school in Spinjin just became like the 700 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: most interesting character to me, how he tried to manipulate 701 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: her with religion, and then I you know, I'd really 702 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: just fallen in love with so fad Um. She is 703 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: she brings down the whole house with her when she goes, 704 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: and I just love her for it. I love her 705 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: for her cardinality and that she isn't just gonna die. 706 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: She's done in just story. So she does, um, And 707 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: so I I just think that it is it is 708 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: like so complicated and layers and and I guess the 709 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: other thing I love about it is just how weird 710 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: it is. It's like some weird mystical fairies and sprites 711 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: and true you know, lightning hidden trees symbolically, and it's 712 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a delightful hot messing. He is 713 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 1: hobnously great because it's like that and even weird are 714 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: even more so. Yeah, I think I just you know, 715 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: doing I read Watering high school pertim Christeen Misiskina, and 716 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: I didn't understand words, and so now we're doing a 717 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,439 Speaker 1: um weathering hyps pilgrimage this Jean Severn in the middle 718 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: of setting up. Um, it's really interesting having been to 719 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: how Worth now where the Bronte Parsonage is, and that 720 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: town is really an Emily Bronte town. You go there 721 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: and talk about Charlotte and they're like, no, thank you, 722 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: we went. Yeah it was there being there last year 723 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: and they were like, you're here for the long book. Um, 724 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: we're going back to this year with wathering types. I'll say, 725 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: you'll get the correct book and a little more welcoming. Huh. 726 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: Maybe Bill has moved on to Anne, but I think, um, yeah, 727 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm really waited to spend some time with Whether and 728 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: Type because of the next eight months of really diving 729 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: into it again. But you know, Jane is just simpler 730 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: and it's more straightforward. It's an eatier way in and 731 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: wuthering types. Jane. I remember being one of the first 732 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: books where they had the not so attractive girl being 733 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: the lead and the way they describe her. Yeah, absolutely, 734 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: she you know, you see yourself. She's a you're invited 735 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: to yourself into Jane. All right, I like this a 736 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: little bonus. Jane Eyre. What was caught up in those times? 737 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 1: Jane Austen Janey, I mean Jane Austen and the Bronte Sisters, 738 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: two of my favorites. I'm old school that way, really 739 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: really old school. Apparently you should come on one of 740 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,760 Speaker 1: our pilgrimages some time. Oh, we'll be there, Plan number 741 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: fifty something trips, Like anytime people invite us that. I 742 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: hope they're serious. Oh no, I'm totally serious. You should 743 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: talk about it. Yes, please, Well have a Bronte and 744 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Alright, alright, yeah, well we'll be in 745 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: we have to go that way, yes, yes, let's go. 746 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: Um and would you like to tell the listeners where 747 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: they can find you? Yep, Um, you can find us 748 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: wherever you're listening to this podcast right now, you can 749 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: find Harry Potter and the staked test or if you 750 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: are Mormal, a so norvel person, you can find hot 751 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: and Buttered. And that brings us to the end of 752 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: this interview. Yes, it was so fun. We could have 753 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: kept going forever. And as you heard, we were talking 754 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: about doing that tour with I'm Janair and for all 755 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: the bronze stuff and um Jane Austin stuff. But you know, 756 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: we should have talked about going on the tour for 757 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: Harry Potter stuff. Can we do that? Is that? Can 758 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: we do that? Oh? Yeah, okay, Oh my gosh. You 759 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: can go visit the studio in London making of Harry 760 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,240 Speaker 1: Potter and it's so I've been to the theme parks. 761 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 1: That thing in London is my favorite thing. I went 762 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: to the train station train stuff. I went there when 763 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: I would visit my friend in London. She took me there. 764 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: She's like here it is and I was like, oh, 765 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: people waiting inline, I'm not doing that well talk about 766 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: the power of Harry Potter. That's not even they built 767 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: that because you can't actually get to the ruin. But 768 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: so many tours were jumping over the trains and well 769 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: not jumping over trains, but they were. They were taking 770 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,919 Speaker 1: away to it, right, So they built a fake one 771 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: makes it's just come over here, stay away from the 772 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:58,399 Speaker 1: don't go near the train tracks. Okay. UM really quickly 773 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: didn't want to touch on some characters because I know 774 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: we didn't. There's so many that we could have talked about. 775 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: One A fan favorite is Luna Um And one of 776 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: my favorite things about Luna is the relationship between her 777 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: and Harry because it's platonic and I love when she 778 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: says he invites her to the slug club, the slug ball, right, 779 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: and she says, oh, people, well think for friends, and 780 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: Harry says so earnestly, you are my friend, right, And 781 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: it's just nice. I feel like we don't get that 782 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: kind of relationship, even though we didn't have a lot 783 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,839 Speaker 1: of screen time. We don't see that a lot. He's 784 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: never judging her for and she's just going to be 785 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,800 Speaker 1: herself and that's fine. Well. I love the Luna and 786 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: what's his name, the other one, the one that could 787 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: have been Harry Neville Neville. I love that Luna and 788 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: Neville are such good friends. In the movie, they do 789 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,959 Speaker 1: a little more in the movie than they in the book. 790 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: Will you try to kind of protect each other? Almost? 791 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: It was super sweet, super cute. Yeah, the oddball is 792 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: oddballs together. Yes, speaking of oddball Tonks, she's a pretty 793 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: big I love that she's somehow both really clumsy but 794 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: really good at her job because I feel I can connect. 795 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: And I think if they don't play enough about her 796 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: being a part of that the Beltricks and um, all 797 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: of their family, I think that's important that they kind 798 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: of kind of escape over. Yeah. In the movie for sure, 799 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: for sure, that kind of barely mentioned it, and then 800 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: even in the book that kind of bypass it to 801 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 1: being her in love with Lupin. Yes, yeah, um. And 802 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,919 Speaker 1: then there's professor McGonagall of course, super tough. I love 803 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: I love her stuff in the last book when she's 804 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: defending Harry, I love it like it doesn't and it 805 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: doesn't show it in the movie. But I love that 806 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: scene where she's going up against the two twins. Yeah, yeah, 807 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: that is a great scene. I didn't want to touch 808 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,839 Speaker 1: on floor day Lacre too, because she's really interesting from 809 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: where she starts as happy the and that is all 810 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: about looks. Although people forget they're also extremely dangerous. Well 811 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: the whole uh school, it's just all female. Yeah, And 812 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 1: I feel like that's not mentioned enough. And the strength 813 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: between them themselves. It's kind of like downplayed, I feel like, 814 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: because it's based on looks and how deceptive they can 815 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: be in or you know, tricksie. What does Mr Weasley say? 816 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: He says, he says something like city boys, this is 817 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: why you don't go for looks alone. Uh. And she 818 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: is the unfortunately, the worst competitor, I would say in 819 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 1: the Gobblet of Fire. But he's the most help iss 820 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,280 Speaker 1: seems yes, Um, but she did go on to become 821 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: a pretty central and powerful character. And let's not to 822 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: say she wasn't powerful then, it's just the way she 823 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: was portrayed, and especially in comparison with all the other champions, 824 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 1: she did come out looking like the weakest one. And 825 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: then villains we have to talk about umbradge. Oh, talk 826 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,879 Speaker 1: about problematic white woman. She that's the angriest I ever got. 827 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: I had to close order the Phoenix the fifth one 828 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: after she banned him from Quidditch. I don't even care 829 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: about quidditch. I was just so mad at the injustice 830 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: of it. Oh, she's infuriating. But I do think having 831 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: a female villallin like that it just added so much. 832 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean clearly, I think a lot of people would 833 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 1: say she was the least like, the most hated character, 834 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: and that's that's a testament to oh gosh, the writing, 835 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: but also the actress she did. She was exactly that character. 836 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,439 Speaker 1: She was everything and embodied that character to the full. Yeah, 837 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: she's famous English actress, Amelda Staunton Stanton. And just having 838 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: that wide cast of here all these heroes, strong female heroes, 839 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: but also here are some villains, Belatrick's being one. She 840 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: is extremely powerful. I think people forget at one point 841 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,439 Speaker 1: she's dueling Luna, Jenny and her mindy. I think she's 842 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: doing three people at once. She was powerful, and she's 843 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 1: often put in contrast of Lily represents love and pure 844 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,839 Speaker 1: love and she represents just ambition and hate like they're 845 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 1: the opposite side. She does she does um and she 846 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: was she was really frightening character I found. Yeah. And 847 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: then there's Petunia and Narcissa, who I do find interesting 848 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: because even if you probably classify them as villains, that 849 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 1: the mother part of their characters and them going to 850 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: protect out of their way to protect their children, which 851 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: is very much of a theme through all of it. 852 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: Whether it's Molly Wheeley or Lily, all of them is 853 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: very protective, very on point. Whether it's bad or good, 854 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 1: they're doing something for in the name of their children. Yeah, 855 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: and that's one thing I know. Some of the criticism 856 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: I read of characters like that and Molly Weasley is 857 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 1: you're putting them in these gender stereotypes. The mom and 858 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,800 Speaker 1: then in response j K Rolling, especially to to Molly Weasley, 859 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: she says, Um, the moment when Molly kills Belichick. She 860 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,919 Speaker 1: said she wanted Molly to have her moment to show 861 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: that because a woman had dedicated herself to her family 862 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: does not mean that she doesn't have a lot of 863 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: other talents. Yes, and um, one thing I wanted to 864 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: close out with because I do generally try to separate 865 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,319 Speaker 1: actors from their characters. Um. But Emma Watson is such 866 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: an interesting case because I remember being ten years old 867 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: feeling extremely jealous that she had been cast. And she 868 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 1: said in an interview, I I literal I remember this probect. 869 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 1: I didn't have to look it up, she said. When 870 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: asked about her money, she said, I hate her. I 871 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: hate her. I hate her because she was into fashion 872 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: and she thought her mind. He just wasn't wasn't cool. 873 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: But then she went out as she grew up, As 874 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: Emma Watson grew up, she grew to love her money 875 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: and loved all those things about her that she was 876 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 1: a warrior and she was smart. And I just I 877 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of us go through that where 878 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: we hate the adolescence. We were awkward children and we 879 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: hate everything about ourselves. Yes, um, and then now she's 880 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: a feminist activist and she's the voice of u n's 881 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: he for she. She was appointed as the u N 882 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 1: Women Goodwill Ambassador in July. So she did. She got 883 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 1: good recommendations on their SI. But a Google search of 884 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 1: is Emma Watson too pretty to play her money? Turns 885 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: up almost half a million results. You would never ever 886 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: see that with any of the male actors. Is Danny 887 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: Radcliff too hands to play Harry Potter? That would not happen. No, 888 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,440 Speaker 1: But I think they did question his height. They did 889 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,719 Speaker 1: as a separate episode. They also questioned his eyebrows. I 890 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,239 Speaker 1: said they were too feminine. Look, we're we're unpacking a 891 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 1: thing at right at the very end that we should 892 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,400 Speaker 1: come back to. Yeah, so clearly we we blew through those. 893 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 1: I could talk about this forever, but we'll have to 894 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: end it here today. Definitely go check out Vanessa's podcast, 895 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,919 Speaker 1: Go go find her on the social media's Women Who Knows, 896 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,839 Speaker 1: Harry Potter and Like a Text and Hutton Bothered, which 897 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,759 Speaker 1: I just love that. Yes, and if you would like 898 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,359 Speaker 1: to reach us you can. Our email is Stuff Media 899 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. You can find 900 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: us on Instagram as stuff and I'll Never Told You 901 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 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