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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Klay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: We hope all of you are having fantastic Thursdays. We

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Speaker 1: have got a lot to discuss, as we always do

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Speaker 1: with all of you. We're going to dive into the

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Speaker 1: Trump vice presidential discussion on Laura Ingram. He named several

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Speaker 1: people that he is considering. Does it matter, what might

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Speaker 1: the impact be? As we said here two days from

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Speaker 1: South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Will also give you some updates on what's.

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Speaker 1: Going on in the primary down in South Carolina. As

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Speaker 1: I think, frankly South Carolinians are prepared to tell Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley this is not your time. Trump is going to

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Speaker 1: be the nominee. We'll talk some about the idea of

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Speaker 1: the seizure of Trump assets, including his buildings, which is

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Speaker 1: now being discussed by Letitia James, the age who ran

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Speaker 1: on the idea that she was going to get Trump

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Speaker 1: no matter what, and guess what found way to try

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Speaker 1: to get Trump no matter what. But Buck, I want

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Speaker 1: to start with a story that for some of you

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Speaker 1: out there may not be on the top of your radar,

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Speaker 1: and you may not be thinking about what the impact

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Speaker 1: of this may be. But as we come into twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, and I bet your kids and grandkids become

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Speaker 1: more and more active and experiencing it online, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about what's going on with a AI, artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: the growth that we are seeing there and the degree, Buck,

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Speaker 1: to me, of what I am seeing is just a

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Speaker 1: sort of a recapitulation of all of the flaws that

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Speaker 1: existed in social media now being created and impacted in

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Speaker 1: AI in the same way that every social media site,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, on some way designs an

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Speaker 1: algorithm by a human that determines what you do and

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Speaker 1: do not see AI. There's a scary, ridiculous, somewhat maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit funny, but also terrifying story of what's

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Speaker 1: going on with Google's AI service. Buck, and I know

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Speaker 1: we were talking about this off air, so I know

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Speaker 1: you've seen it too. Basically, they designed it so there's

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Speaker 1: no way that you can get an image of a

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Speaker 1: white person, no matter what your prompt of request is.

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Speaker 1: And for those of you out there who are not

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Speaker 1: familiar with AI at all, trying to explain it in

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Speaker 1: just a couple of sentences, it's a video or image

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Speaker 1: based version of search also very strong textually, but it's

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Speaker 1: moving more and more into imagery and videos, and the

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Speaker 1: idea is basically you give it a prompt. For instance,

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Speaker 1: with Google, where they were using this and being able

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Speaker 1: to expose its flaws, it was saying, hey, Google, give

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Speaker 1: me a picture of the pope, and the pope pictures

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Speaker 1: that AI were returning were all minority figures. If you

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Speaker 1: asked for a Viking, a picture of a Viking, the

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Speaker 1: people that you were getting back were black Vikings, obviously,

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Speaker 1: who did not exist. If you asked for pictures of

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Speaker 1: the Founding Fathers, they were giving you pictures back of

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Speaker 1: some black people sitting at the table with the Founding fathers.

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Speaker 1: And I would guess buck that the intent here is

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Speaker 1: to avoid being racist. And they wrote in code which

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Speaker 1: basically made it impossible for a white person to be

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Speaker 1: but to a larger context when you know that kids

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Speaker 1: a default Google search instead of the way Google works

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Speaker 1: now you type in you know, hotel on South Beach

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Speaker 1: that would show up as the link, or you type

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Speaker 1: in you know who was the eighth President of the

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Speaker 2: It's being given to you.

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Speaker 1: Search is being created more powerfully than maybe it ever

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Speaker 1: has been before, and it's making these algorithms even more powerful,

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Speaker 1: and so as a result, they are now stopping the

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Speaker 2: But are you.

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Speaker 1: Troubled by this because I think it could be a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what they're saying about this is that it's an

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Speaker 3: But this also is occurring in a broader context. Right,

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Speaker 3: there's something else that's going on here. I mean I

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Speaker 3: think everyone has has seen now, particularly the last few years,

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Speaker 3: but it stretches back for about a decade that diversity

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Speaker 3: there is a need to fill our society, our history,

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Speaker 3: everything with the tenets of diversity and inclusion, especially anything

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Speaker 3: that has to do with with pop culture. I mentioned

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Speaker 3: before on this show I watch you know, I like

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Speaker 3: anything has Vikings in it. And I should note that

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Speaker 3: there were there were some people that did a Viking search,

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Speaker 3: and sure enough the vikings were, you know, people of dark,

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Speaker 3: historically that would not be accurate. And the reality here

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Speaker 3: beginnings of I think it's Viking, I forget what the

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Speaker 3: full title, It's Viking something or other Clay. They cast

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Speaker 3: a black woman as a tenth century Viking yaarl or

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Speaker 3: kind of like an earl or a king who really existed.

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Speaker 3: So this stuff is already happening, meaning that there's the

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Speaker 3: rewriting of history and pop culture with people who are

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Speaker 3: that when you have an AI Maine that is doing this,

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Speaker 3: everyone starts to feel like, is it I mean, okay,

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Speaker 3: this went too far, but is it really a mistake?

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Speaker 3: Is diversity and meaning from their end, is diversity and

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Speaker 3: to try to create more inclusiveness throughout history, and they're

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Speaker 3: going to try to elevate some things. The whole notion

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Speaker 3: of a neutral algorithm from the beginning, really the earliest

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Speaker 3: think this goes toward everyone understanding that better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say this is a natural outgrowth

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Speaker 1: of Hamilton, which decided, Hey, we're going to put minority

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Speaker 1: followed by what is the show Bridgerton that they make

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Speaker 1: its own interesting Statele we've talked about on this show

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Speaker 1: Buck Hannibal. I believe they're making a movie with Denzel

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Speaker 1: did horribly on Netflix. No one want to watch it.

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Speaker 3: I both love Denzel Washington as an actor. I think

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Speaker 3: he may be a fantastic Hannibal.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't really have an issue with it.

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Speaker 3: My issue is I want people to at least understand

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Speaker 3: or want people to be taught that Carthage those the

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Speaker 3: Carthaginians were not North Africans in the way we think

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Speaker 2: They were white. They were Greeks.

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Speaker 3: Effectively, they would have looked very much like the Greeks looked,

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Speaker 3: very few people do. And so when you start introducing

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Speaker 3: And I think some of that is intentional. And I

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Speaker 2: A lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: To keep in mind, the only white person in it

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Speaker 1: I also would say, I'm not aware, and I would

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Speaker 1: I would love if somebody did know this. Is there

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Speaker 3: History is often very non inclusive, right, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Joan of Arc Cleopatra. I mean there's like two or

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Speaker 1: Earl a black woman. There were no black women who

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Speaker 1: why we all have democracy, republics, freedom, freedom of speech.

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Speaker 1: All those things are good, good cultural appropriation. Here's a

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Speaker 1: kind of summing it up. And I'm open to your

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Speaker 1: more sophisticated in terms of your AI knowledge than either

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Speaker 1: Buck or myself would be. On a scale of one

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Speaker 1: to ten, I'm about a nine on being concerned right

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Speaker 1: now based on what I'm seeing about what the impact

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Speaker 1: think we're finally catching up Buck with Twitter, where Elon

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Speaker 1: Has bitten secret Service agents twenty four times.

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Speaker 1: lot of funny comments. One of you wrote in, I

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Speaker 1: but so buck. When I was in first grade, I

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Speaker 1: And I think the dog is a metaphor for that.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be acceptable that you would have something to do,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to have a dog in bites people twice.

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Speaker 2: Secret Service agents who are forced to be there.

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Speaker 3: There's a recklessness and a lack of consideration for others

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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe Biden slash his handlers. It's very interesting

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Speaker 3: to see who really is in charge of these things, right.

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Speaker 3: We don't know that's kept from us, but Biden is

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Speaker 3: clearly say he's lost a step. As an understatement, Biden

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Speaker 3: a guy who's going to be needing round the clock

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Speaker 3: at best. And on the dog issue, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: train with some instructors and we took her out. And

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Speaker 3: one thing I'd say is, when you're starting out with

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Speaker 3: somebody you know, you don't put a you know, you'd

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Speaker 3: start them maybe with a nine millimeter pistol and then

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Speaker 3: automatic weapon and say here you go, pull the trigger

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Speaker 3: and see what happens. Right, Because it's an it can

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Speaker 3: be fine in the hands of somebody who knows what

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Speaker 3: they're doing, it's perfectly safe. But if you don't know

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Speaker 3: what you're doing, I mean, I have a phenomenal Kerry

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Speaker 3: and I have a phenomenal dog trainer.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Tekla, and he's been helping us with Ginger.

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Speaker 2: With Ginger, the.

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Speaker 1: Area of I put this your room for error, your

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Speaker 1: margin for error is if she has a bad day,

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Speaker 1: she's gonna nip you on the ankle.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have a one hundred and twenty pound

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Speaker 1: present Canario, or you have a pit bull that is,

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Speaker 1: you know, very broad chested and weighs eighty pounds, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: It's not that you know that can't be a good dog.

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Speaker 1: It's that do you know how to handle that dog?

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Speaker 2: Right? Are you capable of?

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Speaker 3: And German Shepherd's a lot of dog and I've seen

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Speaker 3: people more than once who couldn't handle their German Shepherd.

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Speaker 3: I've seen people who couldn't handle their dog breeds as well.

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Speaker 3: But it's different than when you can't handle your miniature poodle.

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Speaker 3: It's like a twenty two caliber versus a machine gun.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden having a German Shepherd? What is he doing?

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Speaker 3: He clearly can't you see what I'm saying. He clearly

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Speaker 3: can't be the one in charge of it. There's no way.

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Speaker 1: So someone else is in charge of it, who's in

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Speaker 1: charge of it? It's biting people. It just goes to

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Speaker 1: show you there is a lack of command and control.

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Speaker 1: I know people are gonna say, this is overreach, this

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Speaker 1: is crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's just a dog.

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Speaker 1: This is a dog in the White House that is

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Speaker 1: injuring Secret Service agents and the President's not embarrassed by

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Speaker 1: it because the president doesn't even know, because the president's

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Speaker 1: not really calling the shots behind closed doors. Yeah, and look,

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Speaker 1: I had to have after this biting three surgeries as

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Speaker 1: a little kid, and again you can still see a

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Speaker 1: pretty significant scar on my face.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm fine. I'm not a huge fan of dogs

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Speaker 2: as a result.

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Speaker 1: If you had half your face ripped off by a

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Speaker 1: dog when you were five or six years old, you're

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Speaker 1: probably not sitting around like I want twenty dogs in

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Speaker 1: my house. But to me, it is an incredible form

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Speaker 1: of recklessness and entitlement for Joe Biden to decide his

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Speaker 1: German shepherd can bite people twenty four times before they say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we need to do something about this. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: all the Secret Service agents and everybody who's working in

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Speaker 1: the White House that's getting bit who are lower down

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Speaker 1: the food chain than Joe Biden are sitting around saying

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Speaker 1: why should we be at risk from this dog in

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Speaker 1: order to try to do our job and buck I

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Speaker 1: always think this is really the lesson of life. You

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Speaker 1: don't judge people by how they treat their equals. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you judge people by how they treat their boss.

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Speaker 1: To me, you judge people by how they treat people

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Speaker 1: who are in theory beneath them in some way, right,

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Speaker 1: How do you treat a waiter or a waitress, How

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Speaker 1: do you treat a somebody who is cleaning a car,

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Speaker 1: How do you treat somebody who is in a service

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Speaker 1: industry job, or.

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Speaker 3: In the case of Secret Service, somebody who is sworn

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Speaker 3: to protect you and put themselves in harm's way to

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Speaker 3: protect you. Joe Biden used to go naked swimming in

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Speaker 3: front of female Secret Service detailes without a second and

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Speaker 3: now has his dog running around biting them all the time.

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Speaker 3: I know somebody who was on Biden's detail Secret Service,

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Speaker 3: and I cannot say on the radio what he thought

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Speaker 3: of him, but he was not a fan.

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Speaker 1: Well, so I think that ultimately you get a sense

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Speaker 1: for what somebody is really like by how they.

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Speaker 2: Behave in that fashion.

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Speaker 1: And to me, I think you can draw a line

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Speaker 1: between the way that the dog has behaved and frankly,

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Speaker 1: the way Hunter has behaved and the way so many

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Speaker 1: people surrounding Joe Biden have There are no consequences for

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Speaker 1: bad behavior, and when that occurs, you have entitlement and

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Speaker 1: you have worse behavior coming.

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Speaker 3: I agree with all that. I also think it goes

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Speaker 3: to chain of command. Though Joe Biden is not in

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Speaker 3: charge of commander obviously, but what does it say that

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Speaker 3: the President of the United States can't be in charge

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Speaker 3: of his own dog Clay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: This, How far are we from Joe Biden can't tie

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Speaker 3: his own shoes in the morning? Really, you know, this

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Speaker 3: is what you know, Dog's a very personal thing, right

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Speaker 3: like this is this is a decis should be Joe

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Speaker 3: and Jill in charge of the dog? And you know,

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Speaker 3: for those of us who love our dogs, it's like

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Speaker 3: clearly he's not actually in charge.

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Speaker 2: It has no idea what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred two two two eight A two I'm sure,

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Speaker 5: Yes, I just wanted to kind of chime in about

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Speaker 5: what you guys are talking about and German shephers and stuff.

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Speaker 5: I've had him for forty years, and when I was

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Speaker 5: younger and I was doing not such good things and

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Speaker 5: when I got sober, it seems that my dog got

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Speaker 5: sober too, and he was a totally different dog when

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Speaker 5: I changed my lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: And dogs pick up you can I say something.

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Speaker 3: I mean, dogs pick up anxiety in the household.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think a huge part of parents,

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Speaker 1: So people that are you know, when when parents are

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Speaker 1: you know, if you if you let's say, you know,

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Speaker 1: not to speak to you ser But in general, if

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Speaker 1: someone is fighting a lot with their spouse, that creates

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Speaker 1: a more anxious, intense dog. That's that that's fearful and

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Speaker 1: more likely to let these things are This is all

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Speaker 1: very clear in the literature.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, yeah, yeah, totally. And I would think that

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Speaker 5: that dog would have some type of training like shifts

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Speaker 5: and training, or some type of training where he's on

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Speaker 5: or off, just like a police dog. I mean, they're

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Speaker 5: either on or they're off. And something's got to be

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Speaker 5: going on with with commander that he's something's uneasy and

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Speaker 5: he's uh acting out. You know, by the.

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Speaker 3: Way you see it because you you own a German

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Speaker 3: you know, you and a German shepherd, so you understand

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Speaker 3: that there's something going on behind closed doors because those

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Speaker 3: can be very loving family family pets. But as Clay

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Speaker 3: was discussing, and have you discussed if somebody mishandles it,

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Speaker 3: like I said, you're miss handling you know, a machine gun,

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Speaker 3: not a twenty two. I mean they can do real damage.

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Speaker 3: And most people would say, I thank you for the call.

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Speaker 3: By the way, most people would say that their dogs

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Speaker 3: have a one or two bite rule, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you bite somebody once, the odds that you're going

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Speaker 3: to bite somebody again is high. And I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: about like playful you know, nipping and things like that, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about something that requires medical treatment, which is

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Speaker 3: different than like, hey, we're going to go throw a

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Speaker 3: Bite from a German shepherd is going to break the

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Speaker 3: skin and that means the animal is trying to do

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Speaker 3: damage and is scared and probably lashing out, or it

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Speaker 3: could be it could have prey drive coming up. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: Norman in Alabama, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Hey, We've raised trained shepherds, and I wrote a couple

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Speaker 4: of memas for family's law here in Alabama that specify

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Speaker 4: whether a bite is justified or not justified. But under

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Speaker 4: Alabama's law of his the commander would end up being

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Speaker 4: before the court and probably put down because.

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Speaker 2: How many bites would it take? Sorry to cut you off.

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Speaker 1: And I'm actually kind of I'm assuming Emily is a

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Speaker 1: little girl in Alabama. If that's the law that was

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Speaker 1: attacked by dogs, and in some way this is the

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Speaker 1: way to protect.

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Speaker 4: The lady in North Alabama was killed by dogs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the ideas you're trying to protect people, what

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Speaker 1: would the number of bites be that a dog would

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Speaker 1: be in an Alabama that they would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: we got to put this dog down.

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Speaker 4: It does not have a number of bites because it

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Speaker 4: doesn't take due process away, which is something I really appreciate.

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Speaker 4: But it does bring this situation before the court after

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Speaker 4: an investigation, and if the investigation determines that this dog

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Speaker 4: is has the potential being a danger's dog, then it's

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Speaker 4: brought before the court and then either the dog be

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Speaker 4: put down or the owner has to have a bond,

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Speaker 4: has to have it in a secure area. Yea, you

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Speaker 4: create it like you with a wolf.

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Speaker 2: That's that's exactly what should be done. A great rule, Norman,

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Speaker 2: thank you for calling in.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Clay, you were saying, how when I

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Speaker 3: say kids juveniles who get access to weapons that use

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Speaker 3: if there's recklessness in the part of the parents, you

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Speaker 3: can be reckless with your dog ownership too, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean that and that and an individual, the human being,

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Speaker 3: is actually the one responsible for what happens as a

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Speaker 3: result of that dog.

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Speaker 2: We'll dive in. Do you want to do the VIP

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Speaker 2: sweepstakes a little bit here next? Because we've been talked too.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. We haven't gotten to that one yet.

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Speaker 3: But also how that could shape the shape the upcoming

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Speaker 3: election of it if it can't at all, And then

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Speaker 3: Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York State is

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Speaker 3: saying out loud, they might just start seizing Trump's buildings.

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Speaker 3: That's where we are in twenty twenty four. Everybody Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump is running for president and they're gonna start taking

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Speaker 3: away Trump towers so to speak, we'll get into it