1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm Chad Hennings, former Air Force, a ten fighter pilot, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: three time Super Bowl champion with the Dallas Cowboys, and 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: this is NFL Player's Second Acts Podcast. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tillman and this is the NFL Player Second 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: Acts Podcast. Thank you guys for listening, Thanks for tuning in. 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: I'm Peanut, my god, Roman, what's up. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: How you doing. I'm doing great. I'm very very excited 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: about it. I'm Jack right now. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. It's not even the doctor Pepper were drinking either. 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: No, it's like like share, subscribe, follow, let's preach the resume. 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 4: Let's get right to it. There it is. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: He was a defensive lineman in the NFL for nine seasons, 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 3: which is probably, i mean, one of the lower. 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 4: Things that he did in life. 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 3: He won three Super Bowls with the Dallas Cowboys, only 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: three nineties era and before he entered into the league, 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: he was a fighter pilot in the Air Force. And 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: he is now cecil businessman, author and philanthropists. Guys, can 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: we please welcome in Chad Hittings. 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Yo, Joe, you're like, g I Joe over here. Man, 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: That's all. 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: That's all. 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: That's the first first. Yeah, Hey, my dad in the 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: locker room. 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 5: Are you serious? 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: It was fly Boy? Okay, you know, Billy Bates called 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: me Flyboy. That's what kind of stuck. 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 5: I think. 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: I gotta call you g I Joe. That's the good one. 30 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. G I Joe was still hot in the nineties. Yeah, 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 4: for sure. 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: I was a G I Joe kid. My dad was 33 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: in the Army and he did twenty and I thought 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: my dad was like roadblock, Like I wanted to do 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: everything my dad did. I used to mortar pool, go 36 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: to the the armory looking at all the guns, the Bradley's, 37 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: the A brooms, the cobras, the apaches, like I've been 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: in all those things as a kid, and I just 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: thought it was the coolest thing. And the one thing 40 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: that kept me from not joining the military was football. 41 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: I just kept selling in football. If I wouldn't have 42 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: got a scholarship to college, i'd have been in the 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: army if I would and went, if I wouldn't have 44 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: got drafted to the league, I just want to join 45 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: the army out I went to OCS school and it's 46 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: been an officer and just would have been in the military. 47 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 4: But football just. 48 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: Kind of gott in a way of that unfortunately. 49 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: Well that's the beauty of both those occupations. They're so similar, yeah, 50 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: regarding culture, teamwork, striving for excellence and all that we do. 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: And I come from that unique perspective, and it was 52 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: easy to make that transition from flying in a fighter 53 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: squadron I flew in the First Gulf War to you know, 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: playing for the Cowboys. And I guess my true claim 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: to fame guys is I flew my last mission in 56 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Northern Iraq in ninety two and I played in the 57 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: Super Bowl the same year. 58 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: Oh wow, thank you for your service. 59 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: No, that's how fast life changed for me. But you 60 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: know with the different I mean with a compliment, the 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: synergy in the in the cultures, yeah, and kind of 62 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: the mission oriented purpose being in the military versus you know, 63 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: playing for the Cowboys. At that time under Jimmy Johnson, 64 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: it was all about we're not just winning games, guys, 65 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: We're about winning super Bowls and that that was the 66 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: first one that year. 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: So you were drafted the eleventh round right to the 68 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. 69 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: That's how old I am. 70 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: But they don't even have eleven round them, like eleven 71 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: round like whoa, Okay, that was back all right, got it. 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: But you went to Air Force Academy, right, and so 73 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: you served your three years five years, five years. So 74 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: Number one, what were you doing on draft day? 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Like? 76 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 4: What was that experience like? 77 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: Like were people getting drafted from the Air Force at 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: the time, Like, what was that like? 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: And then kind of walk us through until you got there, 80 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 4: you know. 81 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Truly, the only other Service Academy graduate up until that 82 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: point in time that was drafted and eventually played was 83 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: another Dallas Cowboy Captain America, Roger Staubach. Yeah, Hall of 84 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: Fame quarterback. He was twenty years previous to me, But 85 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: there was nobody else that had through that experience. I 86 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: never anticipated getting drafted. Gil Brandt, hall of Fame Cowboys 87 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: player personnel director would always follow me around at these 88 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: different All Star postseason things in college, at the different 89 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: All American banquets, and he says, we're going to draft you. 90 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: I said, I appreciate the sentiment, sir, but you know, 91 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: I've got a commitment. I'm going to serve. And originally 92 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: my commitment was eight years because I took on the 93 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: addition because I wanted to be a pilot flying jets. 94 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: So typical Service Academy commitment is five years, but I 95 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: chose up it to eight years because I wanted to 96 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: fly Jets. So technically playing in the NFL was never 97 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: an option. So to answer your question, during draft day, 98 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: I was I was actually down in the gym just 99 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: working out, and somebody from my squadron called down, a hey, man, 100 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: do you realize you were just drafted by the Cowboys. 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's cool. But here's the difference. Eleventh 102 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: round draft pick in nineteen eighty eight, my signing bonus 103 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: was like sixteen thousand dollars, man, So it was a 104 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: lot of money. Yeah, compared today it's somebody's bar tab. 105 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: But but no that it was just a difference in 106 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: time and and for me it was it was really 107 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: That's why I learned a lot about myself that if 108 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: I profess to be an individual of character integrity, I 109 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: gave my word, you know, I raised my hand to 110 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: support and defend, made an off of office, to support 111 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: defend the constitution of the United States. And and for 112 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: me to be able to try to maybe lawyer up 113 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: to get out of that commitment to go play in 114 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: the league, you know, wasn't I going to have that? 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: So I tried to succumb to the realization that planning 116 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 1: in the NFL is never going to be an option 117 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: for me. So I went in full anticipation of just 118 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: being a doing a career in the military. 119 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: So you went to the name of Air Force Academy, right, Yes, 120 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people understand the commitment 121 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: it takes to go to a military institution at that part. 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: So could you explain the the schedule that a student 123 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: athlete slash student has to go through when they go 124 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: to West Point, the Naval Academy, Air Force Academy, Like, 125 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: give them a little bit of background to that. 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's a very prestigious academic institution. I think 127 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: I averaged twenty credit hours per semester that I was there, 128 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: aside with all the military things that are expected. You're 129 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: up at five point thirty six o'clock. You know, let 130 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: alone make your bed, clean your room, do all that. 131 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: You march to the breakfast. You got your academics. You're 132 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: in a uniform as a freshman or a fourth degree, 133 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: you have to march in these marble strips and you 134 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: greet all the upper classmen. You go through different military 135 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: training in the summertime, I went through like survival training, 136 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: survival escape resistance training, which they call seier training. You 137 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: do different internships, you visit different military basis to kind 138 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: of get an idea what is being in the active 139 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: dute to military is. Like I went and I did 140 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: what at the time was called the T forty one program. 141 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: I went through a simulated pilot training program where going 142 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: into my senior year, first class year, I flew at 143 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: T seventy two Cessna and got to the point where 144 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: I could solo, took a check ride simulating what it 145 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: was going to be like going through pilot training the 146 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: following year. So it's a very intense mind, body, spirit, 147 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: holistically training regimen to prepare you to be an officer. 148 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two years old. 149 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like that, I don't have 150 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: the discipline to do that, but I guess you learn it. 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: Well. I'll tell you what you talk about your parents 152 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: before your father's I grew up on a farm in Iowa, 153 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: so I was doing a lot of this stuff. That 154 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: was my regiment in life was the aspect, if you 155 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: want anything in life, you got to work for it. Yes, 156 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean no, He's going to do it for you. 157 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: And it was that Middle America upbringing was what you know, 158 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: prepared me for the academy. Then I built upon that, 159 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: and then going through the actor of the Air Force 160 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: built upon that. It's constantly, as I subscribe the sense 161 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: of being, of living a life of excellence that you know, 162 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: you got to be your best self every day, you 163 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: encourage others to do the same. In any organization that 164 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: you're affiliated with, you encourage it, you know, to rise 165 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: to a higher noble purpose or cause it's not about me. 166 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: It's not about the individual, it's about the team. And 167 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: you know that's something that I have tried to live 168 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: in my life and I've been very grateful to have 169 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: been on some pretty awesome teams. 170 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what went into you choosing the Air Force Academy? 171 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 5: Why not? 172 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: Was the point one? On the Naval Academy. I don't 173 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: even if they had the Coast Guard, if they even 174 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: had any. 175 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Coast Guard Merchant Marine Academy, they had both for one 176 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: probably for me the beautiful most Colorado who can argue 177 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: with front range of the Rockies, you know, the being 178 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: in Colorado. Uh, it was a phenomenal campus, and just 179 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: being there, I was more of a say, a mountain 180 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: guy than I was going on the East Coast. But 181 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: at that point in time too, they had a very 182 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: up and coming football team. I wanted to play Division 183 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: I college football. I wasn't highly recruited out of high school. 184 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I grew a lot when I was at the Air 185 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: Force Academy and I really blossomed. I was actually recruited 186 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: as a tight end. I'm actually today, I'm probably more 187 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: of your prototypical tight end in the league than I 188 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: am a defensive tackle. But you know, after I made 189 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: the switch after springball my freshman year, and you know, 190 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: I guess the rest is history with that. 191 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: What makes you decide to be a fighter pilot? I mean, 192 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: I know it's the coolest thing. I mean, top gun, 193 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: top gun, all these things are out. I mean, is 194 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 3: that the swagger's position? Like is the fighter jet or 195 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: Those were. 196 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: The guys that I could use some military vernacular, but 197 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: those were the individuals that I really up to it. 198 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: And I had some sponsors, retired military individuals that would 199 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: take cadets into their homes. Yes, and I was very 200 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: fortunate to have. My sponsor was a retired one star general. 201 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: His name was Bob Earthquake Titus. This guy flew f 202 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: fours in Vietnam, had shot down three meigs. Was just 203 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Billie badass, and he would tell me stories and just 204 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: share experiences of leading men into combat, of having the 205 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: experiences of where his faith played important role of you know, 206 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: doing things you don't necessarily want to do, but you 207 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: do have to in support of your wingman. And again 208 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: you raised that hand, you gave your words, so you 209 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: have to be willing to put yourself into harm's way 210 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: for a greater good. And you know, as a young 211 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: man twenty two years old getting ready to graduate, you know, 212 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: light my hair on fire, let's go, let's get after this. 213 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: And that's where I lived that life for four years. 214 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 215 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: So, out of the forty five combine missions that you flew, 216 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: is there one that kind of sticks on in your mind? 217 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, not necessarily it was the combat missions. But 218 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: I was based at ari Bentwaters Woodbridge in England. They're 219 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: called the Twin Bases, and we in our initial ferry flight, 220 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: we flew a four ship of a tens from that 221 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: base to Insulin, Turkey, which is outside the city of 222 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: a Donna, And for the A ten. For those of 223 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: you who don't know, in the A ten, oh yeah, 224 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: the world, you know, just quick sidebar with that. That 225 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: whole plane for those of you if you're looking it 226 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: up on Wikipedia or whatever right now. But the A 227 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: ten was designed as a close air support aircraft. Yes, 228 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: the whole plane was designed around that thirty milimeters gap 229 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: and gun called the Galway Avenger shot depleted uranium tip 230 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: hike explosive and scendary bullets four thousand rounds a minute, 231 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, bullet thirty millimeters about EA big. I could 232 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: shoot a tank from over fifteen thousand feet away three miles, 233 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: penetrate over two and a half inches of armor, you know, 234 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: and disable or take out that tank. I mean, it 235 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: was an awesome, awesome piece of machinery to fly. But 236 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: the mission that that stuck out my mind was in 237 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: this initial ferry flight. And the eight ten is at 238 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: the time underpowered. It's not as fast as your F sixteens, 239 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: your F fifteens, your F one eleven's that were in 240 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: the Air Force inventory at the time. It was slow. 241 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: So it took us, you know, about seven and a 242 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: half eight hours to fly and you're flying over the 243 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: Mediterranean and we had just flew around the boot of 244 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: Italy in the Mediterranean, and I ended up having engine 245 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: problem my number two, my right engine, and it ended 246 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: up having to shut the engine down through an emergency procedure. 247 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: And at this point in time, the aircraft's underpowered, your 248 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: single engine, you declare an emergency. We ended up diverting 249 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: with one of my wingmen into the island of Suda 250 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Bay Crete. That was something that will always live with 251 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: me as like how you work together with your wingmen. 252 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: I was flying the jet, going through emergency procedures, my wingman, 253 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 1: one guy, you know, navigating, communicating with the FAA or 254 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: the air traffic control. Another guy's helping me work through 255 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: the procedures. It's just the same thing, like on a 256 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: team when I'm down. And it was in my stands 257 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: playing for the Cowboys, looking over at Charles Haley and saying, Okay, 258 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: what do you got man? He goes, Okay, he's coming 259 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: down on it. You know, you talking back and forth, 260 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: same type of communication, same type of brotherhood. Yeah, that 261 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: went back and forth. And again that's why I relate 262 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: back that the two two occupations were so similar in culture. 263 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: How much did you wait, because like, what's the weight 264 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: limit or something to go from like a plan. 265 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: I had received waivers from my height and weight to 266 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: be able to fly. I was too big, actually too big. 267 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 4: I was wondering about that. 268 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: I was too big for the ACES two ejection seat. Yeah, 269 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 1: so they weren't sure if I cleared the tail for 270 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: everyone had to punch out of the aircraft because I 271 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: was just too big. I was, I think I reported 272 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: Initially I bulked up. I came in about two seventy 273 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: two seventy five, huh, and then I ended up the 274 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: end of that year. I was like at two ninety. Yes, 275 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: So it's just I was wondering about that. 276 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad worked on fighter plane injection seats for 277 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: the sixteenths. 278 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, same ejection seat. Yeah. 279 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: If you could pick any plane, any fighter plane to fly, 280 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: which one would it be? 281 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: And why you know, I'd always go back to the 282 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: A ten if I had to do you know what 283 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: we did, but I would The plane that I would 284 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: like to fly that was probably the most fun was 285 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: a T thirty eight. And the reason why is, you know, 286 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: supersonic jet trainer that we flew. The plane would roll 287 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: seven hundred and twenty degrees a second, so it could 288 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: go around twice in a second. You know, we mess around, 289 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: you lift your leg up, slammed the yoke over and 290 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: like a corkscrew going down finding the air. But it 291 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: I want to do that. I've lived in life like 292 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: but it, but no that it'd probably be a thirty 293 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: eight just but again I could, I couldn't fit into it. 294 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: I certainly couldn't fit into it. 295 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 4: Now. 296 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 5: Oh god, that sounds like it's so fun. I actually 297 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 5: want it. 298 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: Went to Thunderbirds a few a few years ago and 299 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: I'm pulled nine gs and it was the. 300 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 5: Coolest I've ever done. I kid you not. 301 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm up there and the guy was like, you know, 302 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: you gotta breathe. So I try to do the breathing, 303 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: but he was like, all right, pin at you ready, 304 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, let's go, let's go, and 305 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: he flips it he and I'm just like, oh my god, 306 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: this is so cool. 307 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: Don't faint. 308 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 5: Don't faint as we go. 309 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: I'm feeling it. I'm like okay, and he's like, yeah, 310 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: how you doing. I was like, my bad, I didn't. 311 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: I didn't breathe. I need you to pull nine more 312 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: g's so we can do it again. So he was like, 313 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: all right, all right, all right, I'm about to pull 314 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: some geez and he just and I'm like, and you 315 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: have this g you got the G suit on. And 316 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: I'm like digging my heels and I'm squeezing my butt 317 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: together and I'm digging my calves in the in the seat, 318 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: trying to try not to pass out and keep that 319 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: blood right there. Man, it's the coolest thing. If you've 320 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: never done it. I don't know if I'm giving it 321 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: grace the way I'm describing it, but it's probably one 322 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: of the coolest things that I've ever experienced. 323 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 5: And you're smoked. 324 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: It's physically exhausting because it's called an l one maneuver 325 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: and it's literally you're trying to prevent the blood from 326 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: pulling out of your head into your lower extremities. Positive 327 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: g's will do that, so it's like, okay, graphic weighted 328 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: to the best describe it as like you're constant pay 329 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: and you're trying to go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, 330 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: that's what you do. And you can pull that if 331 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: you're in a Just imagine doing that for thirty forty 332 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: seconds at a time, multiple times in an hour and 333 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: a half to our mission. If you're doing what they 334 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: call BFM basic fighter maneuvers, are in a dogfight. But man, 335 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: that's one beauty about flying the eight ten. I didn't 336 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: have to pull a lot of those, Jesus, But explain 337 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: what basically when pulling a geep, like pulling nine g's 338 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: that's like nine times your body weight going against you. 339 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: There's gravitational force pulling against you. So your two hundred pounds, 340 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: say whatever, that's eighteen hundred pounds coming down on top 341 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: of you. 342 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: And after I flew, I got to the ground smoked. 343 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: I hadn't take a nap because I had to. I 344 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: have like an hour to get home. So I went 345 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: inside the bay the hangar. I took it now for 346 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: about thirty minutes, and then I had enough energy I 347 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 2: drove home. I drove an hour home and then got 348 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: in the bed again. And it's probably one two o'clock 349 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: in the afternoon, and slept about four or five hours, 350 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: and then woke up and then went to sleep about 351 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: say ten or eleven o'clock and slept again. Like when I 352 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: say smoked, never it felt like I played two games 353 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: I played a game on Sunday in another game on Tuesday, 354 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: like completely just smoke and you guys go up and 355 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: down all the time in a day for like training 356 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: and stuff. 357 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: Right, Well, you acclimate to that. And it's not every 358 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: mission you're going to be pulling nine GE's, but you 359 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: do acclimate after what it's just your body, I commented, 360 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: used to it. 361 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, what was the hardest thing you had to 362 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: learn or Yeah, the hardest thing you had to learn 363 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: to do as a fighter playing as a fighter jet 364 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: plane like probably fighter pilot. 365 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: Probably the attention to detail. I'm a big picture guy. 366 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't like minutia. I don't like details, I don't 367 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: like nuance. But that was a thing with being a 368 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: fighter pilot. It was the little things that matter. You 369 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: have its procedure, it's there is Flexibility is the key 370 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: to airpower when you get missions that there's a lot 371 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: of times that we would brief a mission, whether training 372 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: or a combat mission, and you brief a certain scenario. 373 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: Then you get out to your target area and you 374 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: talk with a fact you talk with a nailo guy 375 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: in there, a guy on the ground, and the whole 376 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: tactical situation that you had brief changed, so now what 377 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: do you do? You know, and it's just the training 378 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: that you have. You you end up making the adjustments 379 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: and go just like making halftime adjustments. You know, at 380 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: halftime in a game. It was the same there, but 381 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: there's a little more at stake. But that's where I 382 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: think for me, it was the ability to think outside 383 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: the box to develop that skill set, pay attention to 384 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: detail and thinking outside the box and being creative, you know, 385 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: on the spot and think quick you can't there's you 386 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: can't hesitate. 387 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: That probably helped you in football too. Oh yeah, I. 388 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: Mean that's what I'm saying. This is everything. 389 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: That's exactly what react to you not even thinking, you 390 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: just react. 391 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: That's exactly. 392 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: And a lot of it, you know, when you're flying 393 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: pulling geez, it's it's muscle memory. A lot of that 394 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: is muscle memory, but it's it's putting yourself through the 395 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: discipline of having to do it over and over and 396 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: over and be willing to fail and learn from those 397 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: mistakes and do it over and over and over. Is 398 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: where you know, again it's a skill set, set me 399 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: up for life with that. 400 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: You spend five years in the Air Force, there's a 401 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: five year commitment, how do you go. 402 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: Well, actually, the only I'm doing four My commitment was 403 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: eight years. 404 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 5: Oh you're eight okay. 405 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: But this is how I call it a god thing, guys, 406 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: just because in nineteen ninety two a lot of part 407 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: of ninety one ninety two are armed forces. If you 408 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: recall in nineteen eighty nine, in the nineties, the wall 409 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: came down from Berlin. Soviet Union is now no, the 410 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: Cold War scenario essentially over. We just did our thing, 411 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: you know. Then our armed forces are trying to downsize 412 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: and not enough guys get out. So they made waivers. 413 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: They waived my commitment time. So I went from eight 414 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: years to four years. And this is where I raised 415 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: my It's a crazy story how it all went down, 416 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: but I raised my hand and said, hey, you know, 417 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: I'll get out of the Cowboys. Jerry Jones had just 418 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: bought the team from Clint Murchison and you know Tech 419 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: Shram and coach Landry at the time in eighty nine. 420 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you, guys, do you know you know 421 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: who I am or whatnot? But they said, yeah, well 422 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: come on, we'll give you work out. So I ended 423 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: up flying before I separated, flying from England at London 424 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: Heathrow Airport, flew back to Dallas to do a workout, 425 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, not sleep. I had a you know, a 426 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: god thing. I had a phenomenal workout because I stayed 427 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: in shape. When you're deployed, there's not much to do 428 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: except workout, you know, and bulk up ended up having 429 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: a great workout. Coach Johnson came up to me afterwards 430 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: and said, Chad, you know, we like what we see. 431 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: When can you get out? I said, you know, I said, coach. 432 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: I literally slut him. I said, coach, I don't know. 433 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: I'll go find out. I'm going to find out. So 434 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: I went back some in my paperwork. Within three weeks, 435 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: I was out processed out at the Air Force, moved 436 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: my wife and myself from England back to the States, 437 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: getting ready to go first uh training camp. That's how 438 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: fast it happened. 439 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had this. I mean, I've probably had this 440 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: feeling or moment when I was twenty two. How were 441 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: you when you enter the league twenty two? Twenty two, 442 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 2: twenty two? Yours a little bit different. You're a bit 443 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 2: of a grown grown man at twenty seven. Is your 444 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: rookie year. What was your welcome to the NFL moment? 445 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: You're coming that locker room, you think you've accomplished some stuff. 446 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: Did you go to the mission? 447 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: I was, I was respect Did you go to the 448 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: White House? Oh? This is this is well he's walking 449 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: around here warm moon. H yah we uh My welcome 450 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: to the NFL was. We had been scrimmaging for a 451 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. We were going to go down to 452 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: San Antonio. We were training camp US in Austin. We're 453 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: gonna scrimming the Houston Oilers. So I'm talking dating myself 454 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: here again and we're on the sidelines. My coach position 455 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: coach Butch Davis was the first time we get to 456 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: hit somebody else. You know, it's live. Everybody's live. I said, okay, coach, 457 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: everybody's live. Everybody's live. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll go out 458 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: gill him. Second series, I was in there. We do 459 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: a little stunt in the middle. I come around the 460 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: corner and I ear hold Warren Moon. We're in the 461 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: Red Jersey. Guys blew up, big brawl fight. Jimmy goes 462 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: get that rookie out of here, and I'm sitting there. 463 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: He said, there chuning me up and down, and he goes, 464 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: what the heck do you think? I said, coach, Butch 465 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: told me I'm pointing out. But Butch told me it 466 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: was live. And I look over Butch, but just walking 467 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: the other way, somebody come to Jess, Well, I realize 468 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: how it is man, So uh yeah, that's right. It 469 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: was a hilarious I laugh with Butch about that now. 470 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 4: But he was just trying to get you going going. 471 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: I was a literal guy, you know. He thought, Okay, 472 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: you don't hit anybody with the red jersey. Everybody's live. Coach, 473 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: you said, everybody's live. 474 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: Literally everyone we've had on this podcast, when they've done 475 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: they scrimmaged with another team. They was like, oh yeah, 476 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: the team brawl. We had a big old team brawl 477 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: like that was just the thing to do. Even back 478 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: when you play we played. 479 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: Man, we would always scrimmage. Raiders are always coming to town, 480 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: and it was like every other every other series was 481 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: a brawl. 482 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: I think they're the dumbest thing ever, because you know 483 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: somebody's gonna get hurt at some point. 484 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 5: Because I loved him, I love We did it with Miami. 485 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, big big brawl in Miami and Caroline. 486 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 3: I love practicing against other teams because you get tired 487 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 3: of seeing your own teams the same place. And like 488 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: you said, man, competition ratchets up and emotions will fly. 489 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you guys were so much. It was it. 490 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: We look at the game now and we think it's 491 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: different than we played. So I know in the nineties 492 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 3: what the game was, Uh, the physical conditions that you 493 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: guys play. I mean, at least we got a day 494 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 3: off every seven days. I don't even know if you 495 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: guys had that. 496 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: We go we got a single practice that was our 497 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: day off. Yeah, we get an afternoon off OR'd be 498 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: a walkthrough. But you know then, but you how the 499 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: game is above you. I talk to those guys that 500 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: played in the seventies, how that the physicality of Yeah, man, 501 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: there's no such I mean quarterback, everybody goes on. There's 502 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: no rough in the quarterback at. 503 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 4: The y they had two steps, yeah, two steps. 504 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 5: So it's crazy. 505 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be 506 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: back in a minute. 507 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 3: What was it like when you walk into that locker 508 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 3: room and what was that ninety one ninety two and 509 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: you got Hall of famers all over the place, a 510 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 3: locker room that is well now known as probably one 511 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: of the wildest locker rooms ever assembled in the NFL history. 512 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 4: We just didn't know it at the time. 513 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 2: What was that like going from where you were. 514 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 4: At to that locker room. 515 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: It was culture shock, like you wouldn't believe. I sometimes 516 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: sat there and clicked my heels together. I'm not in 517 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: Kansas here anymore. It I've never laughed so hard in 518 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: all my life being around some of these fellas. Just 519 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: the humor and there's a lot of testosterone flowing. But 520 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: these guys, I can honestly say, from all those Hall 521 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: of Famers, I've never been around a group of guys 522 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: that were more selfless do whatever it took for the 523 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: team to win. And I'm talking you know Troy Manemmet Smith, 524 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: Michael Lervin, Larry Allen, Charles Haley, you know Darren Woods 525 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: and all these guys Hall of Famers and future Hall 526 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: of Famers. That it was unbelievable and it was a 527 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: great leadership laboratory really on seeing the elite of the 528 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: elite performing at that level and what it took to 529 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: continue to perform. 530 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: How did you find that balance of twenty seven as 531 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: a rookie. You have all these other people who were 532 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 3: probably leaders, but you come from the different world. Like 533 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 3: where was that balance at? And now how did you 534 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: actually get used to that? Like, I don't know, I 535 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: don't know if anybody's ever had an experience like that. 536 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 4: Pretty much as well. 537 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: What was intriguing to me is I was you know, 538 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: when I came in, guys would be guys like you said, 539 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: you wanted to be a soldier. Little kids when we 540 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: grew up, we played you know, we played Army, Yeah, 541 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: or you played you wanted to emulate your favorite sports hero, 542 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: professional athlete, whatever that is. And it was that when 543 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: I got in that locker room, guys were not intrigued. 544 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: It could have cared less what I did at the 545 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: Air Force Academy regarding my football career, but hey, tell 546 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: me about find those missions? What was that like? 547 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like. 548 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: You know, here, you're a you know, you're an all 549 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: pro and you want to hear about my RinkyDink find 550 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: a mission in Northern Iraq. Yeah, yeah, tell me about that. 551 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: And that's what it was really intriguing. And that's where 552 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: kind of my mind opened up to that individual value. 553 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: You never know don't have that. My perception of reality 554 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: was not necessary reality in regards to the other guys, 555 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: they're just normal dudes that have a specific talent and 556 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: they've learned how to utilize those skills that skill set 557 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: for you know, something that's pretty special. And but you know, 558 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: to your point, it's it was all about, yeah, you know, 559 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: realizing what I could offer to the team. And just 560 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: from a little bit different perspective regarding you know, guys, 561 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: I've been in the real world. You know, I had, 562 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: I had a real job, and you know, particularly for 563 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: the rookies coming in there just out of college, and 564 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: it's I'm telling you, you know, it's like, hey, guys, 565 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: it's not about you. I mean, you're a rookie. You 566 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: got to prove it all over every day when you 567 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: go out there. You got to prove yourself and and 568 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: you got to pay that price every day. And and 569 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: that's why I think those teams are so special. Yeah, 570 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we should have gone for in a row 571 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: back in the day. But it was a great experience. 572 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: Tell me, the mindset you have to have your flying 573 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: a mission and then that same year you're playing in 574 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: a freaking Super Bowl. 575 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: You know, it went through a lot. For me. It 576 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: was just the transition of being a pilot, yeah, having 577 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: that mindset to now I'm a defense Jimmy tried to 578 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: put me at a defensive end we had coming in. 579 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: I think we had five defensive linemen in camp. And 580 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: this was back in the day when two days were 581 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: two days. Oh yeah, it was in Austin, Texas. You 582 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: guys been in Texas, it wouldn't be unusual. I learned 583 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: a lot about myself because first practice, I think I 584 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: lost fourteen pounds in a tow to day and I 585 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: didn't know about hydration at the time. You know, for 586 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: fourteen pounds, you know, I had to drink two and 587 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: a half gallons of water just to make it even 588 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: net zero. And so I learned a lot about IVS 589 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: and hydration at that point in time. But you know, 590 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: I ended up making the team, but I was inactive 591 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: for my first eight games. And you talk about a 592 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: blow to the ego here from former Outland Trophy winner, 593 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: unanimous All American, you know, academic All American. Suppose the 594 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: guy that's was the man you know in college football. 595 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: Now I'm not even dressed. I'm standing on the sidelines 596 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: and for me, it wasn't granted I hadn't played football 597 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: in four years, but for me, it was a blow. 598 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: I went up to coach Johnson halfway through the season. 599 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: I said, Coach, I'll do whatever it takes to get 600 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: on the field. He said, okay, Chad, you're running down kickoffs. 601 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: I was at L four or five, right down the middle. 602 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: I was. My job was to run down there and 603 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: blow up the wedge. 604 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 4: Love it. 605 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: And that's how I got on, you know, on the 606 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: punt team on that So I volunteered to play special 607 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: teams as a d tackle and that's where I you know, 608 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 1: tell a lot of guys, it's you do whatever it 609 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: takes and and the more things that you can do 610 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: for that team. You guys know this, more difficult to 611 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: is for them to get rid of you in the 612 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: long run. 613 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: And sometimes the lower they pay you, yeah, they pay 614 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: you less when you can do a lot of things. 615 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 616 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: See special teams, special teams. 617 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 5: No special time, not my thing. 618 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: So, your military veteran, NFL veteran, you've had two good 619 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: careers and two jobs. I want you to talk about 620 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: what was it easier for you to transition out of 621 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: playing football Because you were already, you already had two 622 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 3: really good jobs, or you had two careers already. 623 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: That's probably the most difficult transition was actually after football, 624 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: after the second trend or during the second transition. And 625 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: I'll say this was because you know, again the comparable cultures. 626 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: And I went from you know, military, they're telling you 627 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: what to do. You're gonna buy this mission, this mission, 628 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, then making the team with the Cowboys. You 629 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: know your mission is. You know what your mission is 630 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: when football games? You work out off and do whatever 631 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: it takes. Right. But now I get to the point 632 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: I can be whatever I want to be. Yeah, who 633 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: am I? What do I want to be? And that's 634 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: where I think my struggle And that's where I counsel 635 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: and mentor a lot of young guys that are separating 636 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: from the military and or professional athletics. First question, I'll ask, 637 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: who are you, Peana? Who are you Peena? You know 638 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: I played so many years in the league, blah blah blah. 639 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: I know, man, that's what you did. What you do 640 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: does not define who you are? Who are you as 641 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: a person? What's your identity? Wrap around? And that for 642 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: me was trying to figure that out going through a 643 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: lot of self awareness, a lot of asking myself certain 644 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: questions in that regard. And when I figured that out, 645 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: that's where I realized that, man, I can do anything 646 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: that I want because I know who I am and 647 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: word I just want to serve. 648 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and how long did it take you to figure 649 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: that out, to figure out who you were? 650 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: Well, it took me. I mean I struggled with that 651 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: for a good year year plus. When you say struggle, 652 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: what is that, Well, it's it's like, Okay, I felt 653 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: because growing up on a farm, being in the military, 654 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: being a professional athlete, that I had to jump into 655 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: something right away. I mean, if I'm not doing something, 656 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm wasting my life as opposed to taking my time 657 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: figuring out where I want to be, what best works 658 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: for me. I jumped into a couple of things that 659 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: I probably should have too quickly, and you know, I 660 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: got an MBA and getting burnt financially and a few 661 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: opportunities things that that I kind of learned the hard way. 662 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: And that's where the council guys, take your time, if 663 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: you're financially able to do that, take your time and 664 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: invest in what your passion is and where you feel 665 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: that you can plug yourself into. 666 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 4: So what are you doing nowadays to keep you busy? 667 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: That's the beauty I could do. I do a lot 668 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: of different things. I have commercial real estate business based 669 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: in Dallas where a boutique real estate firm called Rubican. 670 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: I do a lot of public speaking. I talk on 671 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: things that we're talking on right now, core values, identity, 672 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: living excellence. I've written three books, authored three books, you know, 673 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: and now same things. I started a men's ministry called Wingman, 674 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: and it's all about discipleship of particularly bringing young men 675 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: up and realizing who they are, you know, as men. 676 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: So I do a lot of philanthropy and then you know, 677 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm a husband and I'm a father. I just became 678 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: a grandpa. Man about it's it is life transformation. When 679 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: you see your child being born is one thing, but 680 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: when you see your child give birth to another child, 681 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: you realize that it's the legacy that this is going 682 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: to go beyond just me, and that's something that's multi generational. 683 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: To me, that was very humbling and it realized that, 684 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, now I really need to work harder to 685 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: improve the world around me and to make it a 686 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: better place for my grandson. 687 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: Out of all the hats that you wear or the 688 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: ventures that you're doing, what's one of the ones that 689 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 2: gives you the most gratification. 690 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: Being the man of God my faith? Yeah, and that 691 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: translates to everything else that I do as a husband, 692 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: as a father, as a member of my community, all 693 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: that derives around that aspect of my identity as to 694 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: who I am. 695 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 3: We always talk about your influence, what makes you who 696 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: you are, how you're able to accomplish all these different things, 697 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 3: and it's usually because of people pouring into you. And 698 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 3: so if I was to bring up this situation Mount Rushmore, 699 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 3: who would be on your Mount Rushmore of influence on. 700 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 4: You to be help you get to where you are 701 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 4: right now? 702 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: I think my parents would be first and foremost just 703 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: instilling in me that sense of purpose, work, ethic, et cetera. 704 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: But then I'd go back to my high school football coaches. 705 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: You know, other than my parents, you know, an immediate family, 706 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: my coaches were the men that had the most impact 707 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: on my life that I wanted to emulate. I wanted 708 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: to be like my high school coaches. And that's again 709 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: not the sidebar, but I encourage coaches that a lot 710 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: of times, you know, because of certain personal situations and 711 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: family situations with kids, they don't have that, and the 712 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: coaches are maybe a lot of times the last obstacle 713 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: before that kid goes down the system or before he 714 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: falls through the cracks. And for me, I love coaches, 715 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: and I think that coaches coaching is one of the 716 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: most noble professions that there is. So on my rushmore 717 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: my parents, in my high school, my coaches early in 718 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: my career. 719 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 4: Do you want to make that all four? You get four? 720 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 4: I was going to let you my. 721 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: Mom and dad, and then my two coaches, Ryche Morgan 722 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: and Jerry Ecknrod and Darryl Schumacher. I'll give you some 723 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: more my high school football coaches and wrestling coaches wrestle too. Yeah. 724 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 4: Did you win a state or anything? 725 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: Yeah? I won state. 726 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 5: You look like you want to What was your wing class? 727 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: I was a two hundred and fifteen pound heavyweight fifteen 728 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: in high school. Yeah. I graduated six four two fifteen. 729 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: When I went into the Air Force Academy, I graduated 730 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: six six, two fifty five. So I just I was 731 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: a late bloomer. 732 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 3: Twenty four sacks, though you're showing them mauling. That is good, man, Chad. 733 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 3: Appreciate you honestly, Man, thank you. I I didn't even 734 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 3: know your story until we read it. It's beautiful what 735 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 3: this game of the NFL has all done for all 736 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 3: of us, and how it's let us all be in 737 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 3: each other's lives first and foremost. Thanks for your service. 738 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 3: Thank you for your dad, my dad, everybody that served 739 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 3: this country. 740 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 4: Man. 741 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is truly awesome. Your story is amazing. 742 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 3: I continue to hear you. You talk, you do all 743 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 3: these other things. I want to look up your wingmen 744 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 3: ministry as well. I love the concept of that. So 745 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 3: thanks for joining us, man. 746 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 4: I really appreciate it, man. 747 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: Thank you. Guys enjoyed it. 748 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're my wing man. 749 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm your freaking wing man. 750 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 2: There you go. 751 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 3: I like it'll be goose. Yeah, appreciating Goose goose cat 752 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 3: taking out bro. 753 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 4: I don't. 754 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: This is a new version. This is a new version. 755 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: This this is the new version. Am I doing? You 756 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: cut me off? 757 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 4: So I was going, I didn't know. 758 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: Y'all for listening, please like, share. 759 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 3: Subscribe, follow, Apple Oh, give us five stars. iHeartRadio Apple podcasts. 760 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 3: Give us a listen if y'all don't listen. 761 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: We don't. We can't do this without y'all. Y'all make 762 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 2: us better. We need y'all help us out. Be our 763 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 2: wing men and women. Hold this up. 764 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 3: I'm Roman Harper, this is Peanut Tillman, this is Chad Hennings. 765 00:37:48,840 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 2: We out