Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. He's uh your guy.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 1: In a room, you.
Speaker 2: Know, moderately filled with one hero, Mark Sessler. Doing things
Speaker 2: a little differently this Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Well, you're a hero too, according to reports.
Speaker 2: Uh uh, I think uh, Mark and and I can
Speaker 2: handle this weird week we've got.
Speaker 1: We got a little extra.
Speaker 2: Dan's been teasing it and keep an eye out overnight Thursday.
Speaker 1: We've got a special episode.
Speaker 2: But for this Wednesday episode, we're doing it a little different.
Speaker 2: Everyone liked the QB Index episode we did a few
Speaker 2: weeks back with Nick Shook, Mark, and we thought we
Speaker 2: would get a meeting of the minds here of the
Speaker 2: QB Index writers me you Shook. It's like an old
Speaker 2: trip down to the scientist lab to play mister Shook
Speaker 2: for his rankings.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I'm reading his his work every week.
Speaker 3: And number one, the writing has been sensational. I have
Speaker 3: a couple of little bones to pick, so hmm. I also, uh,
Speaker 3: we want to point out Dan.
Speaker 2: Dan is expected to join us for the previews of
Speaker 2: the primetime games that will be the back half of
Speaker 2: this episode. And uh, you know we spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time together, Mark, Yes, we do, but this week
Speaker 2: more than ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah a lot.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in a third it'll take it'll take away
Speaker 2: the tension.
Speaker 1: And it's a man. It's a man.
Speaker 2: Uh that that works out, a lot, that researches, a lot,
Speaker 2: that watches a lot of football, and uh, he shouldn't
Speaker 2: just be stuck on Sunday nights. I mean, that is
Speaker 2: the flagship show, so it gets the most listens. We
Speaker 2: put him in a good spot there, but we want
Speaker 2: Shook in the middle of the week.
Speaker 1: What's happening, Nick Shook? I love being in the middle
Speaker 1: of the week.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would want to be there
Speaker 4: every day like you guys, but I'll take anything I
Speaker 4: can get.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is going on in Cleveland these days?
Speaker 2: By the way, like the streets or the streets wild
Speaker 2: as we're you know, set the record, we find out
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson is out another week? Where is like the
Speaker 2: Browns fan base just on that. Do they share Mark's
Speaker 2: feeling that It's like, actually, we kind of like winning
Speaker 2: games without Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: This is best case scenario.
Speaker 4: I think that they're at the point where they're just tired,
Speaker 4: Like they're just like, well, we don't even know what
Speaker 4: to expect anymore. We're tired of asking the questions and
Speaker 4: just going to ride it out and just see what
Speaker 4: happens from week to week. The good thing is that
Speaker 4: the Browns are winning games. But you know, my biggest problem,
Speaker 4: what's going on in Cleveland right now? I got a
Speaker 4: walnut tree issue. I spent like forty five minutes last
Speaker 4: night raking up walnuts out back. I wake up this
Speaker 4: morning yards full of walnuts again, Deshaun Watson, Maybe the
Speaker 4: Browns walnut tree problem right now?
Speaker 3: That is an incredible It's an incredible I mean, do
Speaker 3: you have up an issue with like nature in the
Speaker 3: winter to come, just taking care of the walnuts through
Speaker 3: organic processes versus you toiling away with a rake and
Speaker 3: I am assuming a garbage can to shovel it into.
Speaker 4: I'm tired of hitting my house and making noises and
Speaker 4: potentially damaging my roof over the years to come.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest issue. We're you know, in the trash.
Speaker 1: You're a sound homeowner.
Speaker 2: Okay, I Rick, I mean I wish I was a homeowner.
Speaker 2: That's pretty like exciting. I mean, like you you have
Speaker 2: like real, real adult issues that we don't come up with.
Speaker 1: I also live in an area that's a lot cheaper
Speaker 1: to live in.
Speaker 2: Right, although they do, you know, because we're renters, you know,
Speaker 2: they do have someone that like comes in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if there were walnuts with Rake, I love that
Speaker 1: there's not a walnut in sight, but we'd have someone
Speaker 1: to take care of it, you know.
Speaker 2: So you've taken over QB Index. You've done a great
Speaker 2: job with it, Nick Shook, and we're going to go
Speaker 2: through it one to thirty two to start this show
Speaker 2: before we get to the primetime preview and see where
Speaker 2: we have knits to pick and see where we just
Speaker 2: want to hear your your analysis. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: start right at the top with the top five. We're
Speaker 2: going Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Tua, Matthew Stafford, and Lamar Jackson
Speaker 2: for number five. And it's a pretty intriguing top five
Speaker 2: because normally that would be the MVP race is essentially
Speaker 2: your top five quarterbacks. And yet when I look at
Speaker 2: this list, I'm like, are any of these guys like
Speaker 2: right now, a guy I would expect to win MVP.
Speaker 2: I guess it goes back to my point that's like,
Speaker 2: don't worry about the MVP till after Thanksgiving. But at
Speaker 2: this point, like they've all had strange ish seasons. Mahomes
Speaker 2: think he's playing well. I think he deserves to be
Speaker 2: number one, but his numbers before this last week, Eh
Speaker 2: Herts has had moments, but he's had some bad moments too.
Speaker 1: To it makes sense. Lamar makes sense.
Speaker 2: And then Stafford, who we got on you a ton
Speaker 2: for having way too low last time? Were you peer
Speaker 2: pressured Nick shook into just like boosting Stafford up.
Speaker 1: Now he's in the top five.
Speaker 4: No, no, I mean you guys do have that effect
Speaker 4: on me. I'm not going to take that away from you.
Speaker 4: You know, I look up to all of you as
Speaker 4: I've known you about a decade and appreciate your wisdom
Speaker 4: and value it very much. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I think I had a bit of a course correction
Speaker 4: a week ago where I realized some guys were too low.
Speaker 4: I needed a little bit of a reshuffling, and Stafford
Speaker 4: was one of those guys who made a huge leap
Speaker 4: in the rankings that week, and granted, you know he
Speaker 4: had a hard time in this game against the Steelers
Speaker 4: in the second half specifically, but over the course of
Speaker 4: the season, I just cannot help but have to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that he's been throwing the ball among the best in
Speaker 4: the league. I mean, it's it's remarkable the difference between
Speaker 4: an injured Stafford last year and a healthy one this year. First,
Speaker 4: it was making big plays with Pukaakua and too too ot.
Speaker 4: Well he gets Cooper Cup back, that offense goes to
Speaker 4: another level. It's still not elite, but they're fun to
Speaker 4: watch and a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford. So that's why he's up there. But this
Speaker 4: season has been weird. It's just been strange. I've wondered
Speaker 4: if you guys ran into these issues in the past
Speaker 4: where it's really difficult to kind of separate even the
Speaker 4: top tier. Right now, nobody is having one of those
Speaker 4: incredible seasons statistically. Kirk Cousins has an argument to make,
Speaker 4: but he also turnover issues the first month of the season.
Speaker 2: He's number six on this list too, by the way
Speaker 2: I left him out there, but it is pretty intriguing
Speaker 2: to see Cousins sixth on the list, and I have
Speaker 2: no problem with that.
Speaker 3: I would say last year, to your point, I got
Speaker 3: a little luckier because Mahomes looked like an MVP for
Speaker 3: large portions of the season. You had the essentially the
Speaker 3: rise of Jaalen Hurts and so they were kind of
Speaker 3: one and two frame with Josh Allen and Joe. You
Speaker 3: had the best version of Joe Burrow too, So it
Speaker 3: was like that top five had very little change. But
Speaker 3: I think for readers because these lists are all over
Speaker 3: the place, and you just talked about Stafford. But if
Speaker 3: your list tells me you're watching the games because the
Speaker 3: Ravens offense was up and down, but Lamar Jackson was
Speaker 3: not the problem there. And the way he's throwing the ball,
Speaker 3: it's just you see it on tape. And Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 3: like someone could say he's got seven touchdowns and six interceptions.
Speaker 3: It's a great case study of like numbers don't mean
Speaker 3: anything at all when you're trying to grate and look
Speaker 3: at what he looks like. The version of Matthew Stafford
Speaker 3: we're getting right now, and we've done a lot of
Speaker 3: his throwing, like we've done a lot of that on
Speaker 3: NFL Plus. But this version of Stafford is about the
Speaker 3: most hopeful version of Stafford we've had in two years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually remarkable to shift in his performance. But
Speaker 4: the guy I think that best exemplifies what you just
Speaker 4: described as Jalen Hurts, because he's been the talk of
Speaker 4: the league the last couple weeks for turnover issues, right,
Speaker 4: But what that tells me more often than not is
Speaker 4: that people are scanning box stores. They're not watching the
Speaker 4: game on a play by play basis, because he does
Speaker 4: a lot of special things, whether it's extending the play
Speaker 4: and I think two weeks ago he threw it. He
Speaker 4: completed a pass down the sideline on third down while
Speaker 4: literally stiff arming a defender. He was holding a defender
Speaker 4: off with his arm and threw with the other arm
Speaker 4: down the sideline for a first down. He's doing a
Speaker 4: ton of things that most quarterbacks are not doing, but
Speaker 4: when it shows up in the numbers is the turnovers.
Speaker 4: He even had a pick six last week where he
Speaker 4: thought he could throw it through the face of Cater
Speaker 4: Kohu and he got picked off and returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: But in between those minor mistakes, he's making some phenomenal plays,
Speaker 4: so I can't help but continue to keep him up there.
Speaker 4: But you're right, and I appreciate you noticing that that
Speaker 4: I am watching these games. In fact, I haven't even
Speaker 4: looked at the numbers unless I'm looking for something to
Speaker 4: justify my stance. I'm going almost strictly off of what
Speaker 4: I'm watching and then referring back to the numbers because
Speaker 4: I think they're misleading a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two at three is an interesting one too. You've
Speaker 2: had him at one at various points. I thought he
Speaker 2: actually played quite well against the Eagles. And I don't
Speaker 2: mind a Dolphins fan that's like all fired up about
Speaker 2: the two MVPs. Caase he's got a chance. Lamar's got
Speaker 2: a chance. Mahomes always has a chance. It's very early.
Speaker 2: Stafford doesn't have a chance. But I love that he's
Speaker 2: number four on this list. Let's go down to the
Speaker 2: next five, Kirk Cousins, Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen going down
Speaker 2: four spots in the rankings, Jared Goff is down three spots,
Speaker 2: and then Justin Herbert is at ten. So we're taping
Speaker 2: this on Wednesday. Going up Wednesday, Josh Allen's gonna play
Speaker 2: Thursday night. He's had a fascinating season. He's been a
Speaker 2: little like the Bills offense for four games straight, there's
Speaker 2: a huge chunk of this season, they were the best
Speaker 2: offense in the league, and I would say for that
Speaker 2: four game stretch, he was the best quarterback in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they've played seven games and there are these other
Speaker 2: three games that are just like, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: a disaster Week one and the other two just like
Speaker 2: leave you wanting what was your decision to move him
Speaker 2: down that much? How do you sort of evaluate two
Speaker 2: shook like, you know, waiting what just happened versus the
Speaker 2: average game that he's played. I tried to look at,
Speaker 2: like what's the average game that Josh Allen has played
Speaker 2: this year? The hard part is like it's hard to
Speaker 2: figure out because there has been been no average game.
Speaker 2: It's either been amazing or just just kind of in
Speaker 2: the weeds.
Speaker 4: You should be my defense lawyer, because you just created
Speaker 4: a perfect case for me. I mean, that's exactly what
Speaker 4: I would explain that as is. I can't figure out
Speaker 4: who he is, and I don't know if it's more
Speaker 4: a product of the Bills offensive issues, which kind of
Speaker 4: stretches back a few years. But the thing that stands
Speaker 4: out to me the most is like Sunday was a
Speaker 4: chaotic game. You know, Bill Belichick did a great job
Speaker 4: of sending pressured him from a number of different angles
Speaker 4: and really moved him off a spot all day, and
Speaker 4: he still found way to make plays.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't look comfortable.
Speaker 4: And a few weeks ago we were wondering if he
Speaker 4: was fully healthy because he just didn't look comfortable. He
Speaker 4: didn't look like himself. So I have a hard time
Speaker 4: kind of pinning him down on where he should be.
Speaker 4: So I do kind of value what happened most recently
Speaker 4: because it's a weekly thing as much as, if not
Speaker 4: a little bit more than the overall product. You kind
Speaker 4: of try to blend the two. And I'm just having
Speaker 4: a hard time figuring out where he is right now.
Speaker 4: Do I think that he actually deserves to be that
Speaker 4: low right now? No, But I have concerns about their
Speaker 4: potential with him at quarterback, not because he's the problem,
Speaker 4: but because they're asking him to do too much.
Speaker 1: They've asked him to do too much, way too long.
Speaker 4: They cannot run the ball, And you know, I don't
Speaker 4: think it's a coincidence that when they look like the
Speaker 4: best offense in the league, they also figured out how
Speaker 4: to run the ball, you know, well traditionally, not just
Speaker 4: relying on him. So I think he'll go back up
Speaker 4: if they figure things out. It's just it's tough to
Speaker 4: figure out right now.
Speaker 3: That's the dilemma of the exercise because to the naked
Speaker 3: eye of the reader, they're just looking at where these
Speaker 3: guys fall and they're baking in everything they know about
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, for instance, because it's like, I think there
Speaker 3: has to be some dilemma as the writer when Kirk
Speaker 3: Cousins and he's playing really well and he's always stories
Speaker 3: like statistically been better than people realize, and we are
Speaker 3: getting the best version of Kirk Cousins at moments.
Speaker 1: Is bet is he having a better season than Josh Allen? Mark?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess like that's my thing because it's like
Speaker 3: there's part of me is like everything that I think
Speaker 3: about quarterbacks would have me select Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert over the overall experience of Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: But you can't do that.
Speaker 3: You've got a view where Kirk Cousins sits in your
Speaker 3: world right now. But I imagine you've got some people
Speaker 3: coming at you with the back half of his top
Speaker 3: ten just because of what we know about these uber
Speaker 3: athletic quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, whether they think that it's fancy rankings and they
Speaker 4: tell me that some guys are on buy that week
Speaker 4: when they see the game day graphic show up on
Speaker 4: Instagram on Friday, or whether it's you can't, I can't
Speaker 4: believe you have this guy rated below.
Speaker 1: You know, Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4: But again, if you're watching the games, he's been playing
Speaker 4: well throughout the season. He's been one of the most
Speaker 4: consistent quarterbacks, say for the turnover issues, and then he
Speaker 4: went and had his best game in a long time
Speaker 4: on Monday Night against the forty nine ers that most expected,
Speaker 4: you know, would destroy the Vikings. So I just have
Speaker 4: to give him credit for what he's doing right now.
Speaker 4: Considering the situation around him, he is kind of elevating
Speaker 4: this team, and especially did on Monday Night. Do I
Speaker 4: think that in like a vacuum that he's better than
Speaker 4: the guys he's ahead of. No, But this is this season,
Speaker 4: what he's done so far, and he's been better.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I would maybe have Allan ahead of him, but that's
Speaker 2: just because I'm waiting, trying to think about that average
Speaker 2: game and thinking, look, he's been pretty great. I happen
Speaker 2: to just pull up PFF because I'm curious right as
Speaker 2: we're talking, and their top six is too in passing grades,
Speaker 2: passing only not even considering running where you know, obviously
Speaker 2: Hurts Lamar at a ton of value and Mahomes this year,
Speaker 2: but passing grade TWA, Lamar Josh Allen's actually third still
Speaker 2: Mahomes GoF Cousins Stafford, so very similar to your top
Speaker 2: in terms of the passing grades.
Speaker 1: Hurts is a little lower, but then his running bumps
Speaker 1: him up.
Speaker 2: So I think it's an interesting year that these like
Speaker 2: top shelf guys haven't totally separated. But it's a reminder
Speaker 2: that everyone in the NFL lost their freaking minds when
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson was somewhat available, or in theory, at least
Speaker 2: you could have given him a contract and made the
Speaker 2: Ravens pay what you were gonna pay him, I guess
Speaker 2: in the end, in my mind, the Ravens were probably
Speaker 2: gonna match it and not take the first round picks,
Speaker 2: but he was kind of out there and people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't even really you know, Lamar, it's a weird system.
Speaker 2: Do you really want to give it? And like here
Speaker 2: he is back in the top five. He's a top
Speaker 2: five quarterback. That's my rant. Herbert at ten, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I love Gino is like comfortably now turning into Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 2: like mid career Kirk Cousins. Where when I did QB index,
Speaker 2: like Cousins was always eleven to fourteen, right, and so
Speaker 2: in Stafford like he was always eleven to fourteen. And
Speaker 2: Gino's kind of there because he'll throw like three of
Speaker 2: the best passes anyone throws every week, but it'll also
Speaker 2: have one total clunker or two. And so that's why
Speaker 2: he's in at eleven. Like a very good quarterback that
Speaker 2: has his problems. Stroud at twelve, Burrows up to thirteenth.
Speaker 2: I got a problem with that, Dak at fourteen, and
Speaker 2: then Purty at fifty. I mean, if you're you gotta
Speaker 2: base it on just this season here shook you and
Speaker 2: this season Burrow stunk. So I would just take the
Speaker 2: sling glare hold on and I would put him at
Speaker 2: like twenty because for four of those games, yes he
Speaker 2: was hurt, but.
Speaker 1: That's that's what you gotta pick up it, isn't it
Speaker 1: hold on though?
Speaker 3: Isn't it literally a different like quarterback when you've seen
Speaker 3: that he's fine, he toiled through an injury, but you
Speaker 3: get the Burrow healthy, and it's like that's the bookay
Speaker 3: that we've expected. I almost was wondering, like, do you
Speaker 3: like have to almost throw out the injured games because
Speaker 3: he was playing with a situation that would make any
Speaker 3: quarterback look far lesser and restart the evaluation with the
Speaker 3: healthy version, Like you're almost he's almost just getting dinged
Speaker 3: for playing.
Speaker 1: Good pain he should I guess, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think that's the tough way to That's a tough approach.
Speaker 1: So two things are in play here.
Speaker 4: First off, when you reorder guys, and especially guys who
Speaker 4: are on bie weeks, sometimes they just inevitably move up
Speaker 4: because of other guys moved down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's in the middle. Basically, Yeah, he's in
Speaker 1: the middle.
Speaker 4: But there is also a little bit of projection on
Speaker 4: my part because he was so drastically different between being
Speaker 4: injured and being healthy that he's had one really good
Speaker 4: game and one game where the opportunities were there and
Speaker 4: the Bengals as a whole just didn't quite take advantage
Speaker 4: of it. That if he had played this weekend and
Speaker 4: put together another performance somewhere between those two, it would
Speaker 4: be completely justified. It's just he didn't play this weekend,
Speaker 4: so he actually just kind of sat there and just
Speaker 4: moved up because of their guys around him.
Speaker 1: I get it, but you.
Speaker 2: Had already moved him up from the previous week and
Speaker 2: like he was fine against the Seahawks, but he wasn't special.
Speaker 1: But that's why.
Speaker 2: Look, there's a different way to do it with everyone.
Speaker 2: I remember having these conversations with our great friend Chris
Speaker 2: Westling when he did it, and I think he was
Speaker 2: closer to you Nick, where he would add a little
Speaker 2: bit of common sense, add a little bit of projection
Speaker 2: at a little bit of where he is right now,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's totally valid. I did it
Speaker 2: on like what's their average game this year? Like I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna say, what's what's the average performance of Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow this year? And I would say Dak Prescott is
Speaker 2: ahead of him for that. But then it's a pretty
Speaker 2: big Cliff. It's funny how strong the Dalton line is,
Speaker 2: and so that's in Burrows obviously above it. So in
Speaker 2: the end I'm arguing, and then I'm looking at these
Speaker 2: names Rock, Purty, Baker, Pickt, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, well he wouldn't be below any
Speaker 2: of those guys. Right at the midpoint, I sort of
Speaker 2: take I take it all back. I take it all back, Shiky,
Speaker 2: I'm afraid of you.
Speaker 1: I don't be afraid. It's nothing but peace in love here.
Speaker 1: I do you think I could outrun you?
Speaker 3: No, Like I think you're a good runner, Greg, but
Speaker 3: I don't think you could do anything physically based on
Speaker 3: what we've.
Speaker 2: Well, I know I could beat him in tennis, you
Speaker 2: know I could compete in other sports.
Speaker 1: I feel like nicky athletic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you that. You know you're a good
Speaker 4: averag hitter, like above average hitter.
Speaker 1: And oh that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just as good as softball player. So no,
Speaker 2: no slight. But I'm saying we each had our strengths.
Speaker 2: We were both solid.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say we were like like like a backdoor
Speaker 3: brag session, yeah, Craig, like we were like the superstars.
Speaker 2: But we were both solid contributors. It wasn't like a
Speaker 2: huge gap. We were like Gino and Stroud on the
Speaker 2: list of rankings. I'm saying right like to each other.
Speaker 4: I feel like Glory Day should be playing in the
Speaker 4: background right now. I agonized over this ranking a little bit.
Speaker 4: I actually sent one in last night, slept on it,
Speaker 4: woke up, looked at it again, and realized, oh, I
Speaker 4: got to reshuffle.
Speaker 1: Some of the guys were trying to get to which
Speaker 1: one is it? Purty? Uh, No party can stay there.
Speaker 2: I like that you kept him at fifteen, you moved
Speaker 2: you moved him down three spots. Fair his worst game
Speaker 2: of the season, two worst back to back, but ultimately
Speaker 2: like he played. He made a lot of good throws
Speaker 2: in that Monday night game and he fell apart late
Speaker 2: and I think you look at the body work and
Speaker 2: he's been better. Okay, the next group, Baker pick it
Speaker 2: at seventeen. Whoa up eight spots? Mac Jones up fourteen spot.
Speaker 2: Now this is just like wow, that's just OUTRAGEOUSPTS.
Speaker 1: Is Mac the one that you debated a lot?
Speaker 2: Because fourteen spots in one week if you're going by
Speaker 2: my method, where It's like it's the average game. He
Speaker 2: would have to be, you know, peak Patrick Mahomes to
Speaker 2: move up fourteen spots in one week, and he was
Speaker 2: just peak mac Jones, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He wasn't He didn't turn into another person shook.
Speaker 4: But the difference between peak mac Jones and where he
Speaker 4: was before is so drastic.
Speaker 1: Right, But it was one game. But it was one game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was also the people around him.
Speaker 2: You said he was the worst quarterback in the league
Speaker 2: the week before. If you're at here, I'm pushing back
Speaker 2: on you on this one.
Speaker 4: That's fair, and I probably will get a little pushback,
Speaker 4: but I'm sticking by it because what I saw was
Speaker 4: a transformation, like he went from trying to be a
Speaker 4: hero and do too much to just accepting, like I'm
Speaker 4: going to get sacked here. I got to get the
Speaker 4: ball out here. I'm going to find this guy open.
Speaker 4: Like I was so impressed by his performance against the
Speaker 4: Bills that I had to validate moving him up. Him
Speaker 4: and Kenny Pickett kind of both deserved. I don't know
Speaker 4: if the jumps should have been as drastic as they were,
Speaker 4: but you also have to consider who else is on
Speaker 4: this list. And and I just when I look at
Speaker 4: it in tootality, I'm thinking who's better right now? I
Speaker 4: think Mac and Kenny might actually end up being better
Speaker 4: than Derek Carr because I'm just so frustrated with Derek Carr.
Speaker 3: Oh. I love that you brought him up because I think,
Speaker 3: you know, here's another quarterback that has played through pain
Speaker 3: that will learn later was worse than it was for
Speaker 3: part of this season.
Speaker 1: But he's sitting there at nineteen.
Speaker 3: And I did have a question sort of attached to
Speaker 3: Derek car because this was the answer to me last
Speaker 3: year was like, you get you do this exercise and
Speaker 3: you're writing a big, chunky paragraph about every quarterback and
Speaker 3: it's almost great when like not great that someone gets hurt,
Speaker 3: but you got a new face in there to kind
Speaker 3: of evaluate because you're doing You've done this for nine
Speaker 3: or ten weeks to start in the preseason, Derek Carr
Speaker 3: was the quarterback that every week it was like, it's
Speaker 3: taking me like fifteen to twenty minutes longer to write
Speaker 3: this because nothing's changed.
Speaker 1: He's like the same person to me every time.
Speaker 3: It's my own personal bias I realize packed into it,
Speaker 3: but it's if it's not him.
Speaker 1: Is there a quarterback that when you get to that
Speaker 1: blurb every week, you're.
Speaker 5: Just thinking, I need to stand up and walk around
Speaker 5: or take a walk or pick up some walnuts.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, some wall nuts. Yeah, it's him. It's Ritterer.
Speaker 4: There's a few guys where I'm just like, God, I
Speaker 4: just wish you would put it together over four quarters.
Speaker 4: Just don't make the same mistakes that you're making on
Speaker 4: a week by week basis. With Rider, it's turnovers, it's
Speaker 4: just like weird mistakes because the flashes are really good.
Speaker 4: And then with Carr it's I'm gonna check down the
Speaker 4: entire first half because Alvin Kamara's return actually made me
Speaker 4: worse I think as a quarterback because now I just
Speaker 4: looked to him. I don't trust anything downfield. I understandably
Speaker 4: don't trust my offensive line. So I'm just gonna take
Speaker 4: the check down, put the ball in his hands, and
Speaker 4: see what happens.
Speaker 1: It's frustrating to watch. I mean, they were booing.
Speaker 4: Them in the Superdome last Thursday night, and I totally
Speaker 4: understood why, because it's terrible football on an offense. And
Speaker 4: then they all of a sudden move the ball right
Speaker 4: down the field. And put two touchdowns on the board
Speaker 4: like it's nothing, and he puts a pass on Foster
Speaker 4: Morow that should have been caught for a touchdown that
Speaker 4: Foster Morou dropped.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what are you, Derek Carr?
Speaker 4: I'm so frustrated with you because I cannot pin you down,
Speaker 4: and I don't have any reason to believe that he's
Speaker 4: ever gonna become a fully formed Derek Carr in this offense.
Speaker 1: He's been that guy forever. To me, this is this
Speaker 1: is mo moly who he is.
Speaker 2: And there are some seasons I think Gruden was a
Speaker 2: good coach for him, specifically that you can limit his weaknesses.
Speaker 2: But I got in more arguments over Derek Carr during
Speaker 2: his quote unquote MVP candidate season than almost any quarterback
Speaker 2: I ever did this exercise with, because until the very end,
Speaker 2: I was like, you got to watch him on a
Speaker 2: week to week basis, likes he's solid, but he is not,
Speaker 2: Like the stats are telling one story and the play
Speaker 2: to play like decision making and what he does, even
Speaker 2: though he's really talented, tell a different story. Now, that
Speaker 2: was obviously the very best version of car But even
Speaker 2: when he was at his best, I was saying, like, look,
Speaker 2: he's more in the seven to ten range or the
Speaker 2: eight to twelve range, and I wasn't trying to give
Speaker 2: him MVPs and I got a lot a grief for that,
Speaker 2: And I think he fits at nineteen, and just globally
Speaker 2: looking at this, it really strikes me that, like, I think.
Speaker 1: You're half sort of have to be who they are.
Speaker 2: I'd have a hard time having anyone argued like Baker
Speaker 2: is sixteenth, like he is the Dalphins, he is the
Speaker 2: Dalton line this year. But that to me speaks of
Speaker 2: a season where offenses are struggling. Points are down, red
Speaker 2: zone production is down, average yards per attempt are way down.
Speaker 2: And you go back to the back half of this list,
Speaker 2: and I think it's a little crazy to move back
Speaker 2: up that high this week because he's been bad this year.
Speaker 2: I mean, Dobbs has been better than him, Howell's been
Speaker 2: better than him, even Tyrod on average certainly has been
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's been better than him. But then you look
Speaker 2: at these names and it's like all these teams feel
Speaker 2: like they have a bit of a quarterback issue. And
Speaker 2: that's half that's half the league. So to go through
Speaker 2: it Car was at nineteen, Dobbs Is twenty, Howell twenty one,
Speaker 2: Ridder twenty two. Tannehill, who's coming off an injury. We'll
Speaker 2: see if he plays this week. Probably not, but he
Speaker 2: has a chance. Zach Wilson, Tyrod Minshew, and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: I'll stop it there.
Speaker 2: Rus Wilson is a guy you had way too high
Speaker 2: in my opinion going into the season.
Speaker 1: You just still had some belief in him.
Speaker 2: I think shook and now you're burying him, and now
Speaker 2: I almost think you're over correcting. I would have him
Speaker 2: closer to the Dalton line because I just think other
Speaker 2: than the Chiefs game, he's kind of just been an
Speaker 2: okay quarterback like he's been to me, he's been a
Speaker 2: little bit better version of what Derek Carr is what
Speaker 2: we just talked about.
Speaker 4: So the list that you're reading off is the one
Speaker 4: that I submitted last night before I agonized and change
Speaker 4: made some changes. Oh will he ends up being slightly
Speaker 4: above Zach Wilson. Okay, that's not that drastic of a change,
Speaker 4: but I think it makes a little bit. And that's
Speaker 4: the one where I sat back.
Speaker 2: And I was like, he definitely played better than Zach
Speaker 2: Wilson this year. Come on, Yeah, Yeah, it's just that
Speaker 2: I think it's Mark. Mark has issues with me coming
Speaker 2: to Russell Wilson's defense.
Speaker 3: I know, I like, I have no problem with Russell
Speaker 3: Wilson just being somewhere in the bottom ten. I think
Speaker 3: the thing I laugh about most is after an offseason
Speaker 3: of like one until like wish cast Ryan Tannehill to
Speaker 3: the Falcons that here we are in late note October
Speaker 3: and you've got Desmond Ridder of a spot higher than
Speaker 3: Ryan Tandel like globally, like career wise. I kind of
Speaker 3: always think I overvalued Tannehill last year like he.
Speaker 2: Kept Now I think I think he's been better this
Speaker 2: year than Chick's given him credit for. What if he'd play,
Speaker 2: I'd have him about seventeen right around, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Tweet, did that come into your like middle of the
Speaker 3: night consternation or are you comfortable with that now?
Speaker 4: That was when I actually felt like Ridder's better than him,
Speaker 4: because like he's good, has been better than Tannehill.
Speaker 2: Say, okay, you were saying that Ridder is good, has
Speaker 2: been good. That is an opinion that hasn't been shared
Speaker 2: much on this podcast. Tell us why you think Ridder's
Speaker 2: good has been good.
Speaker 4: It was a couple of weeks ago where I watched
Speaker 4: him come off of one of his worst performances in London,
Speaker 4: and then he comes in and he's just like holding
Speaker 4: safeties with his eyes and he's firing pinpoint passes all
Speaker 4: over the field in this offense is moving, He's hooking
Speaker 4: up with Kyle Pitts and Drake London, and I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 4: this is what he could be. It's just that what
Speaker 4: when he makes the mistakes, they're so crushing that it
Speaker 4: keeps his value down because the complete picture has just
Speaker 4: never come in like fully into form. But I think
Speaker 4: that if he ever ironed out those mistakes, he's at letic.
Speaker 4: He has an accurate arm for the most part. It's
Speaker 4: just that he's young, and you can tell that he's
Speaker 4: still kind of fighting through some of the growing pains, don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think if I was Arthur Smith, I would
Speaker 4: have given him, you know, this type of run, But
Speaker 4: he also didn't have another option.
Speaker 1: I would have made a play for a quarterback in
Speaker 1: the offseason.
Speaker 4: But I'm starting to see why he's sticking with him,
Speaker 4: and I also understand why he gets frustrated when people
Speaker 4: ask about him in the quarterback situation, because if you
Speaker 4: do watch it on a per play basis, you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I see the potential.
Speaker 1: I see it. It's not consisting, Okay.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they I think teams are daring them to
Speaker 2: throw and they've been doing it. But to me, you
Speaker 2: need to have some special traits if you're going to
Speaker 2: make that many big, big mistakes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And he's making too many mistakes for a guy like
Speaker 2: turnover worthy plays for a guy that doesn't add enough
Speaker 2: on his own. Tyrod is someone where my method of
Speaker 2: doing it, the average game, I would have him higher.
Speaker 2: So that would be one where I know Wes would
Speaker 2: have been different and you're obviously different because how much higher,
Speaker 2: like in the top fifteen, because I would just say
Speaker 2: the two games out of Tyrod to me have been
Speaker 2: above the Dalton line.
Speaker 1: Am I crazy? I think he's played pretty well. You
Speaker 1: could well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, concerning Tyrod, I have him as the best backup
Speaker 4: because like it's I like what he's done. I think
Speaker 4: that the offense actually works better with him than Daniel
Speaker 4: Jones because he's safe and he's a veteran. He does
Speaker 4: what you expect a veteran to do complete open passes. Underneath,
Speaker 4: he makes a little bit of plays with his legs.
Speaker 4: He keeps the offense going and avoids catastrophe, which is.
Speaker 1: Most important me.
Speaker 4: But it's funny because the list we have on the
Speaker 4: screen now, I talked about the one that I was
Speaker 4: agonizing over. As you could see, this is why you
Speaker 4: killed me for barring Russell Wilson down here is way
Speaker 4: below Zach Wilson before I made some much needed changes.
Speaker 4: So you're kind of seeing some shifts here in how
Speaker 4: I'm struggling with figuring out this bottom third of the league.
Speaker 4: But Tyrod, I think, to his credit, has done everything
Speaker 4: you expect of a veteran. That's why you go sign
Speaker 4: that guy. They're keeping them afloat offensively.
Speaker 3: Well, we talked a little bit before the show about
Speaker 3: what you did with your back five. Here you've got
Speaker 3: Tyson page in at twenty eight twenty nine is Brian
Speaker 3: Hoyer than Jordan Love. That's Packers fans Toyer, not thirty
Speaker 3: one or thirty Well, that was I.
Speaker 1: Was going to ask.
Speaker 3: It's like you got PJ. Walker, it goes Bryce Young.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. He's been he's been a problem.
Speaker 1: PJ. Walker down to thirty two.
Speaker 3: I guess I have a different question about that because
Speaker 3: I would have him higher than Hoyer, and I think.
Speaker 1: That Hoyer are giving some veteran cred to.
Speaker 3: But like if Deshaun Watson were playing, I just have
Speaker 3: a question, where would he be with what you've seen?
Speaker 3: Where would he be in this list? I'm not so
Speaker 3: concerned about the PJ. Walker thing.
Speaker 4: Somewhere between Minshew and Paget probably it's it's.
Speaker 1: Watson hasn't been good.
Speaker 4: He's had one good game, one pointless game, one bad game,
Speaker 4: one good game, injured, injured, injured, terrible first quarter. Should
Speaker 4: have had two picks right through one the other one
Speaker 4: was overturned. I don't like anything I'm seeing from him
Speaker 4: right now. And Walker, you know, Walker's chaotic. It's like
Speaker 4: you're living on the edge when you watch him play
Speaker 4: quarterback for the Browns because he rips off a few
Speaker 4: really nice throws every game, but there are so many
Speaker 4: throws who just makes you go oh no, no, no, no, no, oh.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay you avoided in an interception.
Speaker 4: He's just it's just a little a little wacky with him.
Speaker 2: This is one of those moments where I think, like,
Speaker 2: what would we have said if we saw this going
Speaker 2: into the season. It's it's week one asn't started, and
Speaker 2: you're a Packers fan or a Panthers fan.
Speaker 1: I saw Zach Wilson's name there first, right, But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of those.
Speaker 2: That's true, h And you would you'd be fast forward.
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Shook QB Index Week eight pod
Speaker 2: with with me and Mark Dan coming on to preview
Speaker 2: the primetime games shortly, and you would see Jordan Love
Speaker 2: and Bryce Young at at thirty and thirty one, And I,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have a huge problem with you
Speaker 2: putting them there. Maybe I'd put them ahead a couple
Speaker 2: of the backups that barely played, but it's picking knits
Speaker 2: that that's roughly the area. It's I want to believe
Speaker 2: in Jordan Love. I want him to run more. You see,
Speaker 2: you see the good. But like in terms of just
Speaker 2: like knowing how to play quarterback in a way that
Speaker 2: like I always appreciate from the Andy Daltons and the
Speaker 2: Teddy Bridgewaters of the world that Mark and Dan like
Speaker 2: think I am pumping up these average guys, but they
Speaker 2: like know how to play quarterback at the NFL level
Speaker 2: in just like a basic way, and Jordan Love doesn't
Speaker 2: have that right now, and it's a little more worrisome.
Speaker 2: It's a lot more worrisome for him when he's in
Speaker 2: his fourth year. In Bryce Young's in his first year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what you're describing.
Speaker 4: There is a lot of quarterbacks who know how to
Speaker 4: take what the defense gives them and keep themselves above water.
Speaker 2: And they're limitations too, right, and knows how to just
Speaker 2: read things out for the most part.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, that's not Jordan Love. Jordan Love tries
Speaker 4: to play hero ball way too much. And the thing
Speaker 4: is you can see matt lefluor adjust in game where
Speaker 4: he gives him a shot early, Love screws it up
Speaker 4: and then he's like, all right, we're just gonna take
Speaker 4: everything underneath. And then the offense starts to move and
Speaker 4: they put a couple of touchdowns on the board and
Speaker 4: you think they might do it, and then Love comes
Speaker 4: in and delivers a crushing turnover at the end of
Speaker 4: the game. It's happening too often right now. I want
Speaker 4: to believe in him too, because early in this season
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, look at the potential.
Speaker 1: Look at the natural ability. It's it's just not there consistently.
Speaker 3: Do you engage with the people that will come at
Speaker 3: you at probably Twitter, at the found what happened on
Speaker 3: Instagram and weird places, you know, be knocking on your
Speaker 3: front door, like, uh, do you or do you just
Speaker 3: say you know what?
Speaker 1: I'm Nick Schuck. I don't need to even respond to
Speaker 1: these clowns. I think for my mental health, I ignore
Speaker 1: most of it.
Speaker 4: Twitter getting rid of my blue check mark a few
Speaker 4: months ago kind of hurt that because it filtered. It
Speaker 4: allowed some of the clowns back in the mentions where
Speaker 4: I could actually see them.
Speaker 1: It was filtering it out black and that's what I do.
Speaker 4: But I did get a bald joke last week, which
Speaker 4: I thought, hey, hey, your original, and I had to
Speaker 4: clap back on that one. So it's look, every list
Speaker 4: is gonna come with criticism, and I understand. And usually
Speaker 4: what happens is it's that person's favorite team, the quarterback
Speaker 4: is not as high as they want, so you just
Speaker 4: kind of is it worth the fight most of the time? Now? No?
Speaker 3: And also you're like cool bald? I mean, and anyone
Speaker 3: who's bald as cool. I'm not saying they aren't. But
Speaker 3: like you've got like anyone came up and saw you
Speaker 3: in the grocery store, They're not gonna be talking about
Speaker 3: your bald head.
Speaker 2: You just knock well, now, every every bald guy out
Speaker 2: there is like, am I cool bald?
Speaker 1: So you put you put that.
Speaker 3: Saying you are, like there could be some people where
Speaker 3: it's you know you, You've kind of you have got
Speaker 3: a nice stylistic choice going on.
Speaker 1: There, so I'm leaning into it.
Speaker 4: I decided when my hair line betrayed me when I
Speaker 4: was twenty three years old, that I was going to
Speaker 4: lean fully into being bald so much that a little
Speaker 4: bit of work on the side that I do. We
Speaker 4: have bald in the title, like I am embracing I'll
Speaker 4: be a leader of the bald gang.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: You're you're a leader in the in the quarterback Evaluation Game.
Speaker 2: Your leader on this podcast shook. And you don't know this,
Speaker 2: but it's part of writing QB Index that the previous
Speaker 2: writers of QB Indeck have a meeting halfway through the
Speaker 2: season to decide if you should continue on. It's almost
Speaker 2: like you've it's like an initiation and Mark and I
Speaker 2: had that meeting today and Mark will tell you the results.
Speaker 3: The results are positive, more positive than the mid season
Speaker 3: meeting that obviously went on about me because it was
Speaker 3: a one year run and then moved on.
Speaker 1: But like Shook, I think you could do this for
Speaker 1: as long as you wish.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did a mid I remember back when we
Speaker 2: would get you know, when we were full time employees
Speaker 2: and you would have like mid term evaluations. It almost
Speaker 2: be like you get a eight of how you're doing
Speaker 2: this season. That was always nervous times. You're getting in
Speaker 2: a your ranked number one on the QB Index. Chuck, Thanks, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 2: who's there?
Speaker 1: I feel who's there? I feel so honored. Oh, we've
Speaker 1: got Dan Hansis in the building.
Speaker 5: Uh. I don't know what it is, but too much bloviation.
Speaker 5: So we got to wrap this up.
Speaker 1: Guys, come on, we are going to take a quick break.
Speaker 2: And then we got Dan Hanss previewing the primetime games
Speaker 2: right after that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, SHOOKI, Thanks guys. All right, welcome back, Welcome me,
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hanss. You just heard me.
Speaker 5: Welcome as I am very confident on how the first
Speaker 5: half of the show turned out.
Speaker 1: Yeah to you from a distance, do you approve of
Speaker 1: our work?
Speaker 5: Yes, highly, I mean, I trust you guys. I think
Speaker 5: it was a spicy There will be a study, there
Speaker 5: will be a close study posts show. Okay, but I
Speaker 5: have no doubts. I thought it was a noble of you.
Speaker 5: You said.
Speaker 2: Look, I've never written QB index and my quality to
Speaker 2: even be on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Not at all. I don't.
Speaker 5: I couldn't even talk about quarterbacks. I've never written the article.
Speaker 5: Just one of those selfless moves that you know sometimes
Speaker 5: doesn't show up in the box score.
Speaker 1: But no, but it. Oh that guy gets it.
Speaker 3: I think when there's a massive retrospective on your entire career,
Speaker 3: it's going to be dotted with moments such as this.
Speaker 5: All right, so there we go, fun talk with Nick
Speaker 5: Shook there, and now let's pivot to week eight. Week eight,
Speaker 5: how about that and the Island games? And oh my goodness,
Speaker 5: this gives you an idea of what we're up against
Speaker 5: as a football republic Island game wise, we couldn't lock
Speaker 5: any of the favorites in these three games about to
Speaker 5: talk about because there all the dogs are eight points
Speaker 5: at least in terms of in the hole from the
Speaker 5: desert standpoint.
Speaker 1: All it does ever happened weird weird week for this.
Speaker 5: Gotta be very rare that that's ever happened all three
Speaker 5: of the Island games.
Speaker 1: I know. Let's get to it. The Bucks.
Speaker 5: Of Tampa Bay at three and three, coming off a
Speaker 5: very disappointing performance I thought against the Falcons at home,
Speaker 5: and they really had a chance, I thought to strangleholds
Speaker 5: very strong for any team in this division, but really
Speaker 5: kind of announce themselves as a favorite in that division. Instead,
Speaker 5: you let the Falcons get away with a win there,
Speaker 5: and now you've dropped into the middle of the pack
Speaker 5: and now here is an angry Buffalo team.
Speaker 1: Mark I say that on Thursday night.
Speaker 5: That then oh yeah, So obviously what's gonna happen here
Speaker 5: is the Bills are going to destroy the Buccaneers here
Speaker 5: in prime time, and they probably will, and that's why
Speaker 5: the spread is so high. But we have reached a
Speaker 5: point with the Bills where it's hard to trust what
Speaker 5: version you get week to week, which is a very
Speaker 5: tricky situation for a team that fashions itself a Super
Speaker 5: Bowl favorite.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they've been getting in their own way, and
Speaker 3: the Josh Allen experience has been a frustration.
Speaker 1: The entire offense has been a frustration.
Speaker 3: I think we sort of hit it on the head
Speaker 3: a couple times where it's like they feel like they're
Speaker 3: missing an element.
Speaker 1: Could it be a big game for someone like Dalton Kincaid.
Speaker 3: I think if you're Buffalo, though, here's where I could
Speaker 3: paint where the victory comes from. For me, the Bucks
Speaker 3: have been revealed to me as a one dimensional attack,
Speaker 3: like when you got this better version of Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3: All right, because Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, they can still
Speaker 3: do it. But if you found a way to get
Speaker 3: one of those guys out of the picture, you're your
Speaker 3: collection of running backs are the worst in the league.
Speaker 3: Rashad White is averaging three and a half yards per carry,
Speaker 3: Kasehan Vaughan one point nine, Seawan Tucker one point five.
Speaker 3: So it's a one dimensional offense that can be shut down.
Speaker 3: I think this other, one little other factor I thrown
Speaker 3: there is that Vidavea is dealing with a litany of injuries.
Speaker 3: He is a huge difference maker that could impact the Bills,
Speaker 3: and if he's not on the field, they're just not special.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bills confused me because they started this season believing, Wow,
Speaker 2: they finally got a running game.
Speaker 1: They finally got it going.
Speaker 2: And I think James Cook, who went over one hundred
Speaker 2: yards from scrimmage again last week, is really a good player.
Speaker 2: But they're not a consistent running team. They're not a
Speaker 2: consistent like we need three yards on third and three,
Speaker 2: we can go get it. They're inconsistent offensively, I think
Speaker 2: in large part because Josh Allen isn't running the whole
Speaker 2: offseason story of like, well, Josh Allen's got to be
Speaker 2: more careful, Josh Allen's got to do this, totally get it.
Speaker 2: It makes sense. It's also hurt their offense significantly. He
Speaker 2: is on pace this year for less than half of
Speaker 2: the rushing yards that he had a year ago, less
Speaker 2: than half, less than half of first downs, and you
Speaker 2: could say, okay, you look at it.
Speaker 1: You had fifty five first downs on the ground last year.
Speaker 2: That's as much as some or more top shelf running backs.
Speaker 2: And they're always in key spots like when you need
Speaker 2: it like a third and four and he goes and
Speaker 2: gets it. And so I think that's part of it,
Speaker 2: finding that balance. And it's a tough defense to run
Speaker 2: against Tampa. They're still pretty solid defensively, They're not special,
Speaker 2: But this Bill's the offense, the way it's playing, you
Speaker 2: would think that they keep them under twenty three, and
Speaker 2: they keep it a close game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like you don't have to squint too hard to
Speaker 5: see this as turning into a close game where the
Speaker 5: Bucks even having a chance, which again is an indictment
Speaker 5: of where the Bills are at at this point of
Speaker 5: the season. And you look at the Bucks, what are
Speaker 5: they done well this season? They've protected the quarterback, Baker
Speaker 5: has not been sacked a whole lot, the Bill's pass rush.
Speaker 5: You know, Von Miller played six naps against the Patriot Yanks,
Speaker 5: and he's coming off that right knee injury, and he
Speaker 5: has not been a guy. And then you put if
Speaker 5: you could protect Baker, we know he could get hot,
Speaker 5: and then you put a lot of pressure on the
Speaker 5: Bill's secondary and of course they're you know, they're missing
Speaker 5: guys this Bill's team. Part of it is the what
Speaker 5: Greg just brought up about Josh Allen, a little bit
Speaker 5: of a mystery about some elements of his play in
Speaker 5: the inconsistencies of the offense. But when you take out
Speaker 5: Tradevius White with the Achilles tear, and then you take
Speaker 5: on Matt Malan, who was like the heart and soul
Speaker 5: the middle of that defense. It shouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 5: the Patriots went down the field at the end of
Speaker 5: that game. And is this a case of one of
Speaker 5: the reasons why they're not playing so well is they've
Speaker 5: lost too many key guys on that defense to be
Speaker 5: special there, and then the Bills offense has not been
Speaker 5: consistent enough to make up the difference.
Speaker 2: Our friends at Next Gen SAT's had some good stats
Speaker 2: right on that point that since Milana went out, their
Speaker 2: success rate allowed on throws over the middle has gone
Speaker 2: from fifty percent, which is quite good, to seventy two
Speaker 2: zero point five percent. And the time to throw for
Speaker 2: opposing quarterbacks is also way up, so quarterbacks have more time.
Speaker 1: They're not getting the pass rush.
Speaker 2: Ed Oliver got hurt in that Patriots game two, he's questionable,
Speaker 2: so that's another pass rusher and Milano being gone, Like
Speaker 2: you can hold the ball and you can find guys open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you could.
Speaker 3: In the Patriots, who were just a disaster on the ground,
Speaker 3: We're gashing the Bills up the middle, and it's like
Speaker 3: Matt Milano it's like his absence looms absolutely large on
Speaker 3: this and I thought that, you know, Sean McDermott has
Speaker 3: done up until these injuries, had did a real nice
Speaker 3: job calling this defense, you know, with no Leslie Frazier
Speaker 3: this season. But I flipped to the other side too,
Speaker 3: where Ken Dorsey, outside of like you know, the Matt
Speaker 3: Canada thing that's going on, like the Bills are going
Speaker 3: to be in a tough situation if they can't handle
Speaker 3: business quickly in here, because I think Ken Dorsey's the
Speaker 3: kind of guy could have the entire stadium like ushering
Speaker 3: booze down. And this is like this Bill's experience is
Speaker 3: so far away from where we even were a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, where they were like utterly dominant. Their
Speaker 3: offense looked completely dominant. And I thought last year the Bills,
Speaker 3: you know, there was injuries with Josh Allen, but it's
Speaker 3: like they got streaky and to see them go do
Speaker 3: it all over again now, it's just like this is
Speaker 3: a tough team to figure out.
Speaker 2: They make a trade, they really strike me as a
Speaker 2: team if you want to put Jerry Judy on a team,
Speaker 2: or hop Neander Hopkins or someone like that, man the
Speaker 2: Bills would be a good spot for one of those guys.
Speaker 5: You know what, if I'm the Bills, we are battling
Speaker 5: down the hatchets. I'm if I am Sean McDermott, I
Speaker 5: am emptying out the chamber in terms of my pregame speech.
Speaker 5: If I'm the operators in that stadium, I'm turning off
Speaker 5: the stupid heat lamp heat heat lamps in the mezzanine
Speaker 5: and loge of the Bill's home stadium.
Speaker 1: What's it called these days? What do you doing? You
Speaker 1: know those?
Speaker 6: Isn't it a little bit you Roberts? You gotta say, like, well,
Speaker 6: first of all, it's high Mark Stadium. Now, high Mark's
Speaker 6: day was New Airfield. I call it the ralph Still listen.
Speaker 6: I am a native New Yorker. Further south is where
Speaker 6: I grew up.
Speaker 5: But Western New York these are these are they are
Speaker 5: firm humans, they are they.
Speaker 1: Are salt of the earth in most cases.
Speaker 5: And then they're tough people, and they're hard working people
Speaker 5: and decent people. And then you see this heat lamp
Speaker 5: across the loge and it's like, where is like that
Speaker 5: old Western New York mentality that you need when when
Speaker 5: the chips are down in a game like this.
Speaker 6: Well, I've born and raised in California, so I can't
Speaker 6: speak on it. I get quite like city, but I
Speaker 6: do get what you. I didn't know what it was
Speaker 6: at first. When I first started seeing I was like, well,
Speaker 6: those are cool lighting and I'm in a bunch of
Speaker 6: Bills fan facebooks and.
Speaker 1: That's for the Buffalo elie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so there was questions about when those heat lamps
Speaker 6: get turned on off. And let's know what one fly
Speaker 6: in the ointment here, it's expected to be in the
Speaker 6: sixties fahrenheit here.
Speaker 1: Then guess what Buffalo. I bet they'll have those lamps
Speaker 1: on the Buffalo elite. Yeah, the elite can't do six.
Speaker 5: Again, their champagne, champagne and eating the brie. They shouldn't
Speaker 5: be in that power.
Speaker 1: Get them out. It's in a place for elites.
Speaker 2: We're breaking seventy here in Buffalo late October.
Speaker 5: Hey, all right, save for the Global Warming podcast anyway.
Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, I think this is a such
Speaker 5: an important game for the Bills.
Speaker 1: Obviously, he's set up well for them to kick.
Speaker 5: Ass, but if they don't, like you could, it's going
Speaker 5: to be more than just the Low's red because You're
Speaker 5: gonna flick the red panic switch, and the red light's
Speaker 5: gonna go on all around.
Speaker 1: This organization and throughout Western New York. They got to
Speaker 1: go to Cincinnati next week, the best primetime game of
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 2: Actually, well, the eight points is too much. I'll be
Speaker 2: listening to you guys on that recap.
Speaker 1: Enjoy. Okay, I can't wait.
Speaker 5: The Chicago Bears are back in prime time and Tyson
Speaker 5: Agent is in primetime because Justin Fields with that hand
Speaker 5: injury will not be making the start. So Beigent who
Speaker 5: I think I heard during the telecast. It was something
Speaker 5: crazy like hundreds of tickets that he purchased for friends
Speaker 5: and family for his first start. And he played well
Speaker 5: and the Bears won convincingly. So that was a perfect day.
Speaker 5: Now Beagent's in primetime against the Chargers, and again the
Speaker 5: home team here, Los Angeles. They should be in good
Speaker 5: shape here, Mark, because they're a better team, They're a
Speaker 5: deeper team. The Bears are playing a backup quarterback without
Speaker 5: a lot of heat to them despite a good, good
Speaker 5: game last week. But you know what the Chargers do
Speaker 5: are the Bolt's gonna find a way. Like Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 5: said in the viewing room a few weeks back. I
Speaker 5: don't care if you put some junior high team on
Speaker 5: the field, that game will come down to a field
Speaker 5: goal at the end.
Speaker 1: Is this what we're going to get?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's why eight and a half points is like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand the opponent, but that's a lot
Speaker 3: of trust in the team that I have no trust in.
Speaker 3: That's a team that has two wins that have come
Speaker 3: against the Raiders, which is self explanatory.
Speaker 1: Mac gave us cloth right and a vikings and then
Speaker 1: the Vikings.
Speaker 3: So it's like this team has gone up and been
Speaker 3: walloped and been shown to be fraudulent. To me on
Speaker 3: a lot of levels, I don't like what's happening in
Speaker 3: general with the offense outside of Justin Herbert doing Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert things. They in that opener, I had incredible hope
Speaker 3: with what was happening on the ground without Ecklert. In
Speaker 3: a number of these weeks they weren't the same. I
Speaker 3: get the injury there, but they've been held under sixty
Speaker 3: one yards rushing in three of five games, putting a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on Justin Herbert. The other thing that
Speaker 3: happened last year at the end of the year that
Speaker 3: I thought that was part of their undoing. Mike Williams
Speaker 3: is kind of like the secret sauce in this passing attack.
Speaker 3: I think when he's out, he's not in there. It
Speaker 3: changed a lot for Keenan Allen and it's like, cool,
Speaker 3: great spot for Quinton Johnston to step up your high
Speaker 3: draft pick. He has seven catches on the year, and
Speaker 3: so they're suddenly out of sorts. And I'm not saying
Speaker 3: it's an opportunity for a terrible Bears defense, but the
Speaker 3: argers are not giving us what we taught.
Speaker 2: No, they're star players, aren't now the players they've invested
Speaker 2: on Quintin Johnson great example, because look, Darius Davis, the
Speaker 2: return guy, is getting more work than Quinton Johnson as
Speaker 2: a rookie in that offense. I mean, they don't trust
Speaker 2: their running game. They're handing the ball off to Darius
Speaker 2: Davis in big spots. They can't get three yards on
Speaker 2: their ground. They're very frustrating, and I don't think this
Speaker 2: is the same Bear scene. I think it's a terrible line.
Speaker 2: I'm not feeling needing the stress of the rain maker
Speaker 2: on this game. But the Bears defense has played much
Speaker 2: better the last three weeks, they're just like back to
Speaker 2: being potentially a normal defense. Now you can look at
Speaker 2: the opponent, Raiders, that was pretty easy. Commanders they played well.
Speaker 2: Vikings they did a nice job. They're also healthier. Jalen
Speaker 2: Johnson's playing well at cornerback, Jakwon Brisker is out there,
Speaker 2: Kyler Gordon is back. They've gotten just a little bit
Speaker 2: of pass rush, and they're just like they've looked more
Speaker 2: just like a defense versus the eber Flus tie. And
Speaker 2: you flip it to the Chargers who have been a
Speaker 2: tire fired defensively because they're not getting anything out of
Speaker 2: Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: Now, let's go Joey Bosa.
Speaker 2: Even Derwin James has this been like a great Derwin
Speaker 2: James season. It's unfair to like point at the best
Speaker 2: players sometimes, but you're making all that money. He's not
Speaker 2: making like a massive impact. And Bosa has been quite quiet.
Speaker 2: They say he's playing through an injury, but it's fine,
Speaker 2: that's what he's always doing.
Speaker 3: Irwin's PFF score this year has fallen off a clip
Speaker 3: really compared to other years.
Speaker 5: And also playing through an injury is justin Herbert And
Speaker 5: you know, I was dubious of this initially because sometimes
Speaker 5: it's on my radar about excuses being made for Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5: And then it was like, well, this injury is affecting
Speaker 5: him as a passner. He's like, well, it's a broken
Speaker 5: finger on his non throwing hand. But you look at
Speaker 5: the stats. He's had one of the worst three game
Speaker 5: stretches of his career in terms of production since he
Speaker 5: hurt that finger. He's missing throws he had against the Raiders,
Speaker 5: career lows and completions and passing yards. He's had less
Speaker 5: passing yards in the last three games than any spending
Speaker 5: in his career. And it does affect him as a quarterback.
Speaker 5: And first of all, he says he's in constant pain
Speaker 5: and that just sucks because she wanted him to go
Speaker 5: through a full season healthy. Also, he's now handing off
Speaker 5: with his right hand exclusively, so just changing the way
Speaker 5: he does.
Speaker 1: But still it's not his throwing hand.
Speaker 5: And he got a huge contract in the summer, which
Speaker 5: he deserved, and he has the upside again. Greg, I
Speaker 5: know this draws criticism from certain corners of the football
Speaker 5: cogna zend, but come on, Justin, like you're on pacer
Speaker 5: about twenty three touchdown pases this season. Start lighting up
Speaker 5: some teams and start in primetime against a bad Chicago outfit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you've got enough.
Speaker 2: Light him up, Greg receiver with Josh Palmer's playing pretty well.
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's more of it too. It's not an exciting group,
Speaker 2: but that the offense overall is disappointing. I just don't
Speaker 2: expect him to light it up. They just haven't put
Speaker 2: up big, big point totles. I think the Bears are
Speaker 2: playing better. This is a huge moment in Brandon Staley's career.
Speaker 2: This is their Sunday night game. They chose not to
Speaker 2: flex it A little surprising there. The combined winning percentage
Speaker 2: for these two teams has to be lower than any
Speaker 2: Sunday night football game.
Speaker 1: The Chicago market.
Speaker 2: I get it and LA and sofi, but I just mean,
Speaker 2: if you're Brian and Staley and you lose your defense
Speaker 2: loses to Tyson Bagent on Sunday night football, are you
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I don't think so, but
Speaker 2: it starts the march to he gone. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not hard to envision.
Speaker 3: Like interim head coach Kellen Moore a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: from now, if that occurs on Sunday night, bench me. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting that it's you know, erotic or anything
Speaker 3: or attractive.
Speaker 1: It's just it is what it is.
Speaker 5: Why did oh you literally pinched me that I will
Speaker 5: be marching up the HR immediately after this.
Speaker 1: Although I did touch monkspodocks on.
Speaker 5: My way in the studio, right, So if I say that,
Speaker 5: you know, I say that, what but he consents?
Speaker 2: I want I didn't. It doesn't matter. I want everyone
Speaker 2: to stay here.
Speaker 1: They just to start.
Speaker 5: Well, you just started by physically touching, following your command,
Speaker 5: I know. But you also came in very slowly. It
Speaker 5: was hot, predatory, it was hard, hard to reach.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get back on track.
Speaker 5: So yes, big game for the Chargers, and it'll be
Speaker 5: fun to root for Tyson Bage at the very least.
Speaker 1: It is. He's like, I'm with.
Speaker 2: You, considering the records of these two teams, I'm into
Speaker 2: watching it.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're a Bears fan, you much rather
Speaker 5: have seen Justin Fields starting to build up that other
Speaker 5: prime time in a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But that's not the way this season seems to be going.
Speaker 1: For a lot of teams.
Speaker 5: Every time you want to get excited, somebody gets hurt.
Speaker 5: All right, let's go to Monday night football. It's close
Speaker 5: that out.
Speaker 1: Gate Night. What's Gate Night to you, guys? No clue?
Speaker 3: Gate Night, I mean typically associated with some sort of controversy.
Speaker 3: But is it like you're trying to real people into
Speaker 3: a stadium, like get a lot of gate a lot
Speaker 3: of tickets.
Speaker 1: Incorrect?
Speaker 5: Gate Night where I grew up in the suburbs outside
Speaker 5: of New York, where that is the name for the
Speaker 5: night before Halloween where there is some mischief in the
Speaker 5: air and the bad kids the dirt bags.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the skids will.
Speaker 5: Go out with eggs and toilet paper and create havoc. Now,
Speaker 5: this is also known in other areas of this country
Speaker 5: as I think Devil's Night.
Speaker 1: Or mischief Night. I knew it was mischief Night, so
Speaker 1: I always thought that was interesting.
Speaker 5: October thirtieth Monday night football Gate Night, at least in
Speaker 5: Pearl River.
Speaker 3: I don't get the gate part of it, but it's
Speaker 3: who knows. Let's call it like Hooligan's Paradise, you know,
Speaker 3: it sounds like in your.
Speaker 1: Two Gate Night. I'm just gonna do it a quick. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. Gate night has a Wikipedia page. Is
Speaker 1: it g a t E or g ai at e?
Speaker 5: Around New York City, Connecticut, Winnipeg, Weird and Rhode Island
Speaker 5: a particular night commonly the night of the thirtieth to
Speaker 5: the thirty first of the October, during which young people
Speaker 5: play pranks and do mischief. It's got to be a
Speaker 5: better way to say that in their neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll keep an eye out.
Speaker 5: You didn't have anything like that in Western mass There
Speaker 5: was no Devil's Night or anything very.
Speaker 1: Well behaved U there? What about in the wed the
Speaker 1: Tony Streets of Connecticut?
Speaker 2: Mischief Knight? But I mean there were skating, there was plenty.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of t peen and eggs and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But I feel like that was just on Halloween.
Speaker 3: I think I would agree more that it just occurred
Speaker 3: that on that all right, actual holiday, if that's what
Speaker 3: we call calling Halloween.
Speaker 1: Monday Night football.
Speaker 5: The Las Vegas Raiders back in prime time, last time.
Speaker 1: I believe it's their last time in prime They.
Speaker 5: Kind of front loaded these teams as they typically do
Speaker 5: to get the markets covered and to our displeasure, fan bases.
Speaker 5: The Raiders three and four, coming off an ugly, ugly
Speaker 5: loss against the Bears.
Speaker 1: We got a TNF versus the Argers in week fifteen.
Speaker 3: A man, well, they play the Jets on Sunday night
Speaker 3: and also play Chargers.
Speaker 1: That's got to be moved.
Speaker 5: Maybe flex the Jets the Raiders at the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 5: Now here is a blowout. I can get behind confidently
Speaker 5: and I understand, like, geez, like, what the hell happened?
Speaker 1: Greg? What happened?
Speaker 5: Because we had a conversation a week ago where I said,
Speaker 5: you know, I think that Detroit is the third team
Speaker 5: in the NFC, and then you kind of built off
Speaker 5: that with some more hyperbole, and we're all in the
Speaker 5: same like bed here with that. We're all celebrating that.
Speaker 5: Oh why, they're beyond even questioning at this point. But
Speaker 5: then they get absolutely pantsed by the Ravens, and truly
Speaker 5: great teams don't get pants to that level very often.
Speaker 5: My feeling is that they are going to beat the
Speaker 5: Raiders by potentially thirty points here, but they also might
Speaker 5: be now just entering a funk themselves.
Speaker 2: They have talked about that they got a little high
Speaker 2: on their own supply.
Speaker 1: They got I don't know something I eat that sometimes.
Speaker 2: I just think that's something you say afterwards, because going
Speaker 2: into that game, they certainly wouldn't have thought that they
Speaker 2: were the.
Speaker 5: Same thing with teams that are high on their own supply,
Speaker 5: that's when they start really rolling and just rolling through
Speaker 5: portions of schedule.
Speaker 1: So I don't don't.
Speaker 2: I think they want to be bullies, and I think
Speaker 2: they found a team that was more physical than them
Speaker 2: on both lines, and that was a little stunning. It's
Speaker 2: like if you're if It's like if you're the Eagles
Speaker 2: and you play a team that can beat you up front,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, what are we doing? And the
Speaker 2: right The Lions defensive line especially, I think is vulnerable
Speaker 2: to having off weeks against truly elite UH offenses. But
Speaker 2: that's not going to be the case here. I think
Speaker 2: they'll get enough pressure on whoever's playing quarterback. There's one
Speaker 2: report from ESPN that is probably gonna be Ad and
Speaker 2: O'Connell if Jimmy G's not ready. Jimmy G hasn't been
Speaker 2: medically cleared. He has that back injury. We're taping this
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, so it's just too early in the week
Speaker 2: to know as last week there was a lot of
Speaker 2: confidence that Jimmy G would come back for this game.
Speaker 2: I hope he does because I think that would make
Speaker 2: it a little more watchable. But honestly, the Jimmy G
Speaker 2: we've seen for the Raiders, I think is going to
Speaker 2: struggle in this matchup. The one thing if you're the
Speaker 2: Raiders that you'd be excited about is these Lions cornerbacks
Speaker 2: are banged up, and you just hope, can you take
Speaker 2: advantage of Devanta Adams and Jacobe Myers with some mismatches
Speaker 2: on the outside, that's your only chance.
Speaker 3: I like, I don't like forgive or excuse what happened
Speaker 3: to the Lions at all.
Speaker 1: I think it's like they are a young, new good team.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like them been through like a seven year experience
Speaker 3: under the same coach doing this, and so like their
Speaker 3: two losses have been like terrible losses, and like they've
Speaker 3: taken care of business pretty consistently every other week. I
Speaker 3: mean to the point that that was they had a
Speaker 3: fifteen game streak broken of scoring twenty plus points, and.
Speaker 2: I think if you the Raiders, by the way, haven't
Speaker 2: scored twenty points this season.
Speaker 3: They're the reverse in consistency and the wrong way, and
Speaker 3: they're the I think they're the first team.
Speaker 2: I forget for how long it is, but that is
Speaker 2: extremely rare for a team to not score twenty points
Speaker 2: for some well, especially in.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three, when you so called brought in an
Speaker 3: offensive minded, creative coach that was going to jazz up
Speaker 3: this offense. Instead you got a bunch of players that
Speaker 3: they didn't do anything to fix the line. I think
Speaker 3: that's a big problem. You got a hurt quarterback. It's
Speaker 3: not helpful at all. They can't I think the ground
Speaker 3: game has been totally shaken up by the fact that
Speaker 3: they can't run, block very well.
Speaker 1: I think the one little thing that stands.
Speaker 3: Out here, and these stats typically would never even look at,
Speaker 3: but like Goff's home in a way splits are insane,
Speaker 3: Like he has thirty touchdowns and five interceptions since last
Speaker 3: season at home. He doesn't make mistakes at home. And
Speaker 3: I think if you get some of these guys who've
Speaker 3: been banged up. I don't know what we're at with
Speaker 3: David Montgomery, but they spread the ball around really well,
Speaker 3: and it's like I would be stunned if they don't
Speaker 3: show up with their hair on fire under Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: in this contest and absolutely take care of business.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find because it's becoming a wild thing,
Speaker 5: a wild situation with Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they're running.
Speaker 5: The offensive line plays the part always in the run game,
Speaker 5: and the passing game affects the running game. But he's
Speaker 5: averaging less than three yards to carry. This is the
Speaker 5: rushing champ last year and a guy that was at
Speaker 5: least or should have been in the consideration for Offensive
Speaker 5: Player of the Year for what he did for the
Speaker 5: Raiders last year. What's the best advanced metric on this
Speaker 5: yards above expected?
Speaker 1: I mean that, like, I'm.
Speaker 5: Curious if, like if that type of data helps his
Speaker 5: cause or makes him look even worse. I haven't seen
Speaker 5: when I've watched this team. I think for a lot
Speaker 5: of big holes for Josh Jacobs. But right maybe it's
Speaker 5: a combination of two things. A guy that took the
Speaker 5: summer off and a running game in general that took
Speaker 5: a step back, or an offense that took a step back.
Speaker 2: I think he's can we find that that's had some
Speaker 2: plays where he looks like Josh Jacobs and then I'm
Speaker 2: not that worried, but I think to be as unproductive
Speaker 2: as they have been, it's a combination. They're twenty fourth
Speaker 2: in run block win rate, so they're not a good
Speaker 2: running they're not opening holes. But he's clearly not making
Speaker 2: enough people miss. That's always been his move is to
Speaker 2: make people miss. He's not a big play maker, but
Speaker 2: he makes the first guy miss. He picks up like
Speaker 2: eight yards. He's not doing that enough. There was a
Speaker 2: play in last week's game where you know, free rusher
Speaker 2: comes in in the backfield and he loses four yards.
Speaker 2: But I did think, like, man, would he have made
Speaker 2: that guy miss a year ago?
Speaker 1: Maybe? All right, anything else in this game?
Speaker 2: No, let's show up Raiders because you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: invested in these Monday night games. I'm doing that work
Speaker 2: for Channel five. It's like it's three whole hours, like
Speaker 2: ending night. It was only it was only three hours.
Speaker 2: It was only three weeks ago that we had Raiders
Speaker 2: Packers on Monday and night, and now we got another one. Like,
Speaker 2: give me something, give me.
Speaker 3: Some schedule makers on a half of LSD when they
Speaker 3: were putting these night games together. This is an unfriendly sight.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm gonna tell you they're gonna I will
Speaker 3: watch them.
Speaker 1: That's what I'll do. Oh good trying.
Speaker 2: I'm also glad by the way, Uh, David Montgomery probably
Speaker 2: not gonna play.
Speaker 1: They have a bye week next next Uh, he've been
Speaker 1: the same without him.
Speaker 2: When this When this game though, When this game and
Speaker 2: you get to six and two and you're at your
Speaker 2: by and it's a very successful first half of the season.
Speaker 5: I'm furiously googling Josh Jacobs rushing yards over expected, and
Speaker 5: I am not successful at this time.
Speaker 6: I feel like that's a good sign of it, that
Speaker 6: being a problem.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, that's it. You'll you'll just have the
Speaker 5: living mystery listeners, what a mystery is?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: He is ranked third to last in the league in
Speaker 2: rushing yards over expected, So he's seventy six yards under expected.
Speaker 2: Can you guess who number one on that list is?
Speaker 2: You mentioned him earlier. Dalvin Cook has a big time
Speaker 2: issue and that his team needs to upgrade. In this
Speaker 2: very preview section.
Speaker 1: Was it a Tampa Bay buccaneer, I mean, just say
Speaker 1: the name God Waite, there you go. I mean, you
Speaker 1: could pick from a coming.
Speaker 5: I literally could not believe my eyes watching that game
Speaker 5: against the Falcons, how bad the running game was? All right,
Speaker 5: let's uh, let's go. We got a lot more good
Speaker 5: stuff coming up this week. Uh, Connie Fox in the
Speaker 5: Foxhole with Connie our next step.
Speaker 1: Do not miss it until then. That's an important metric, Marcus.
Speaker 5: Is It's just it's there's the data, yeah, and then
Speaker 5: the underlying data. No, I'm not disagreeing that it's it's
Speaker 5: important to pop the hood Sessy be the call.