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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. He's uh your guy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: In a room, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, moderately filled with one hero, Mark Sessler. Doing things

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Speaker 2: a little differently this Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're a hero too, according to reports.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh, I think uh, Mark and and I can

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Speaker 2: handle this weird week we've got.

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Speaker 1: We got a little extra.

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Speaker 2: Dan's been teasing it and keep an eye out overnight Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We've got a special episode.

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Speaker 2: But for this Wednesday episode, we're doing it a little different.

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Speaker 2: Everyone liked the QB Index episode we did a few

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Speaker 2: weeks back with Nick Shook, Mark, and we thought we

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Speaker 2: would get a meeting of the minds here of the

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Speaker 2: QB Index writers me you Shook. It's like an old

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Speaker 2: trip down to the scientist lab to play mister Shook

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Speaker 2: for his rankings.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like I'm reading his his work every week.

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Speaker 3: And number one, the writing has been sensational. I have

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Speaker 3: a couple of little bones to pick, so hmm. I also, uh,

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Speaker 3: we want to point out Dan.

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Speaker 2: Dan is expected to join us for the previews of

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Speaker 2: the primetime games that will be the back half of

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Speaker 2: this episode. And uh, you know we spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of time together, Mark, Yes, we do, but this week

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Speaker 2: more than ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah a lot.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in a third it'll take it'll take away

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Speaker 2: the tension.

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Speaker 1: And it's a man. It's a man.

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Speaker 2: Uh that that works out, a lot, that researches, a lot,

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Speaker 2: that watches a lot of football, and uh, he shouldn't

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Speaker 2: just be stuck on Sunday nights. I mean, that is

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Speaker 2: the flagship show, so it gets the most listens. We

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Speaker 2: put him in a good spot there, but we want

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Speaker 2: Shook in the middle of the week.

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Speaker 1: What's happening, Nick Shook? I love being in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the week.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I would want to be there

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Speaker 4: every day like you guys, but I'll take anything I

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Speaker 4: can get.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here, guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is going on in Cleveland these days?

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Speaker 2: By the way, like the streets or the streets wild

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Speaker 2: as we're you know, set the record, we find out

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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson is out another week? Where is like the

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Speaker 2: Browns fan base just on that. Do they share Mark's

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Speaker 2: feeling that It's like, actually, we kind of like winning

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Speaker 2: games without Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: This is best case scenario.

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Speaker 4: I think that they're at the point where they're just tired,

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Speaker 4: Like they're just like, well, we don't even know what

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Speaker 4: to expect anymore. We're tired of asking the questions and

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Speaker 4: just going to ride it out and just see what

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Speaker 4: happens from week to week. The good thing is that

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Speaker 4: the Browns are winning games. But you know, my biggest problem,

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Speaker 4: what's going on in Cleveland right now? I got a

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Speaker 4: walnut tree issue. I spent like forty five minutes last

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Speaker 4: night raking up walnuts out back. I wake up this

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Speaker 4: morning yards full of walnuts again, Deshaun Watson, Maybe the

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Speaker 4: Browns walnut tree problem right now?

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Speaker 3: That is an incredible It's an incredible I mean, do

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Speaker 3: winter to come, just taking care of the walnuts through

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Speaker 3: organic processes versus you toiling away with a rake and

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Speaker 3: I am assuming a garbage can to shovel it into.

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Speaker 4: I'm tired of hitting my house and making noises and

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Speaker 4: potentially damaging my roof over the years to come.

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Speaker 1: That's the biggest issue. We're you know, in the trash.

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Speaker 1: You're a sound homeowner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I Rick, I mean I wish I was a homeowner.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty like exciting. I mean, like you you have

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Speaker 1: I also live in an area that's a lot cheaper

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Speaker 2: Right, although they do, you know, because we're renters, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if there were walnuts with Rake, I love that

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Speaker 1: there's not a walnut in sight, but we'd have someone

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Speaker 2: So you've taken over QB Index. You've done a great

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Speaker 2: job with it, Nick Shook, and we're going to go

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Speaker 2: want to hear your your analysis. So I'm going to

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Speaker 2: start right at the top with the top five. We're

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Speaker 2: going Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Tua, Matthew Stafford, and Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 2: I guess it goes back to my point that's like,

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Speaker 2: don't worry about the MVP till after Thanksgiving. But at

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Speaker 2: this point, like they've all had strange ish seasons. Mahomes

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Speaker 1: To it makes sense. Lamar makes sense.

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Speaker 2: And then Stafford, who we got on you a ton

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Speaker 2: for having way too low last time? Were you peer

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Speaker 1: Now he's in the top five.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I mean you guys do have that effect

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Speaker 4: on me. I'm not going to take that away from you.

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Speaker 4: You know, I look up to all of you as

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Speaker 4: I've known you about a decade and appreciate your wisdom

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Speaker 4: and value it very much. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: I think I had a bit of a course correction

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Speaker 4: I needed a little bit of a reshuffling, and Stafford

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Speaker 4: it was making big plays with Pukaakua and too too ot.

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Speaker 4: Well he gets Cooper Cup back, that offense goes to

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Speaker 4: another level. It's still not elite, but they're fun to

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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford. So that's why he's up there. But this

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Speaker 4: season has been weird. It's just been strange. I've wondered

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Speaker 4: incredible seasons statistically. Kirk Cousins has an argument to make,

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Speaker 2: He's number six on this list too, by the way

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Speaker 2: I left him out there, but it is pretty intriguing

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Speaker 3: I would say last year, to your point, I got

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Speaker 3: a little luckier because Mahomes looked like an MVP for

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Speaker 3: I think for readers because these lists are all over

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Speaker 3: Ravens offense was up and down, but Lamar Jackson was

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Speaker 3: not the problem there. And the way he's throwing the ball,

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Speaker 3: it's just you see it on tape. And Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 3: like someone could say he's got seven touchdowns and six interceptions.

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Speaker 3: It's a great case study of like numbers don't mean

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Speaker 3: we're getting right now, and we've done a lot of

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Speaker 3: his throwing, like we've done a lot of that on

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Speaker 3: NFL Plus. But this version of Stafford is about the

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Speaker 3: most hopeful version of Stafford we've had in two years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually remarkable to shift in his performance. But

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Speaker 4: the guy I think that best exemplifies what you just

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Speaker 4: the league the last couple weeks for turnover issues, right,

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Speaker 4: But what that tells me more often than not is

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Speaker 4: and I think two weeks ago he threw it. He

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Speaker 4: But in between those minor mistakes, he's making some phenomenal plays,

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Speaker 4: But you're right, and I appreciate you noticing that that

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Speaker 2: the two MVPs. Caase he's got a chance. Lamar's got

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Speaker 2: a chance. Mahomes always has a chance. It's very early.

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Speaker 2: Stafford doesn't have a chance. But I love that he's

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Speaker 2: this on Wednesday. Going up Wednesday, Josh Allen's gonna play

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. He's had a fascinating season. He's been a

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Speaker 2: four game stretch, he was the best quarterback in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but they've played seven games and there are these other

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Speaker 2: down that much? How do you sort of evaluate two

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Speaker 4: You should be my defense lawyer, because you just created

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Speaker 4: a perfect case for me. I mean, that's exactly what

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Speaker 3: That's the dilemma of the exercise because to the naked

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Speaker 2: I love Gino is like comfortably now turning into Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 3: Isn't it literally a different like quarterback when you've seen

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Speaker 1: Good pain he should I guess, I don't know. I

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Speaker 4: First off, when you reorder guys, and especially guys who

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Speaker 1: I get it, but you.

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Speaker 2: Had already moved him up from the previous week and

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Speaker 1: But that's why.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a different way to do it with everyone.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid of you.

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Speaker 1: I don't be afraid. It's nothing but peace in love here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know I could beat him in tennis, you

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Speaker 1: I feel like nicky athletic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you that. You know you're a good

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just as good as softball player. So no,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say we were like like like a backdoor

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Speaker 2: But we were both solid contributors. It wasn't like a

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Speaker 4: I feel like Glory Day should be playing in the

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Speaker 1: Some of the guys were trying to get to which

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Speaker 2: I like that you kept him at fifteen, you moved

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Speaker 2: you moved him down three spots. Fair his worst game

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Speaker 2: Because fourteen spots in one week if you're going by

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Speaker 1: He wasn't He didn't turn into another person shook.

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Speaker 4: But the difference between peak mac Jones and where he

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Speaker 1: Right, But it was one game. But it was one game. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You said he was the worst quarterback in the league

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Speaker 2: the week before. If you're at here, I'm pushing back

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Speaker 4: Like I was so impressed by his performance against the

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Speaker 4: and Kenny Pickett kind of both deserved. I don't know

437
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Speaker 4: if the jumps should have been as drastic as they were,

438
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Speaker 4: but you also have to consider who else is on

439
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Speaker 4: this list. And and I just when I look at

440
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Speaker 4: it in tootality, I'm thinking who's better right now? I

441
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 4: think Mac and Kenny might actually end up being better

442
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Speaker 4: than Derek Carr because I'm just so frustrated with Derek Carr.

443
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Speaker 3: Oh. I love that you brought him up because I think,

444
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Speaker 3: you know, here's another quarterback that has played through pain

445
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 3: that will learn later was worse than it was for

446
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Speaker 3: part of this season.

447
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Speaker 1: But he's sitting there at nineteen.

448
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Speaker 3: And I did have a question sort of attached to

449
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Speaker 3: Derek car because this was the answer to me last

450
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Speaker 3: year was like, you get you do this exercise and

451
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Speaker 3: you're writing a big, chunky paragraph about every quarterback and

452
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,239
Speaker 3: it's almost great when like not great that someone gets hurt,

453
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Speaker 3: but you got a new face in there to kind

454
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Speaker 3: of evaluate because you're doing You've done this for nine

455
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Speaker 3: or ten weeks to start in the preseason, Derek Carr

456
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Speaker 3: was the quarterback that every week it was like, it's

457
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Speaker 3: taking me like fifteen to twenty minutes longer to write

458
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Speaker 3: this because nothing's changed.

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Speaker 1: He's like the same person to me every time.

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Speaker 3: It's my own personal bias I realize packed into it,

461
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Speaker 3: but it's if it's not him.

462
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Speaker 1: Is there a quarterback that when you get to that

463
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Speaker 1: blurb every week, you're.

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Speaker 5: Just thinking, I need to stand up and walk around

465
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Speaker 5: or take a walk or pick up some walnuts.

466
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, some wall nuts. Yeah, it's him. It's Ritterer.

467
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Speaker 4: There's a few guys where I'm just like, God, I

468
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 4: just wish you would put it together over four quarters.

469
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Speaker 4: Just don't make the same mistakes that you're making on

470
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Speaker 4: a week by week basis. With Rider, it's turnovers, it's

471
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Speaker 4: just like weird mistakes because the flashes are really good.

472
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Speaker 4: And then with Carr it's I'm gonna check down the

473
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Speaker 4: entire first half because Alvin Kamara's return actually made me

474
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Speaker 4: worse I think as a quarterback because now I just

475
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 4: looked to him. I don't trust anything downfield. I understandably

476
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 4: don't trust my offensive line. So I'm just gonna take

477
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Speaker 4: the check down, put the ball in his hands, and

478
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Speaker 4: see what happens.

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Speaker 1: It's frustrating to watch. I mean, they were booing.

480
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Speaker 4: Them in the Superdome last Thursday night, and I totally

481
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Speaker 4: understood why, because it's terrible football on an offense. And

482
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Speaker 4: then they all of a sudden move the ball right

483
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Speaker 4: down the field. And put two touchdowns on the board

484
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Speaker 4: like it's nothing, and he puts a pass on Foster

485
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Speaker 4: Morow that should have been caught for a touchdown that

486
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Speaker 4: Foster Morou dropped.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, what are you, Derek Carr?

488
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Speaker 4: I'm so frustrated with you because I cannot pin you down,

489
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Speaker 4: and I don't have any reason to believe that he's

490
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Speaker 4: ever gonna become a fully formed Derek Carr in this offense.

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Speaker 1: He's been that guy forever. To me, this is this

492
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Speaker 1: is mo moly who he is.

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Speaker 2: And there are some seasons I think Gruden was a

494
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Speaker 2: good coach for him, specifically that you can limit his weaknesses.

495
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Speaker 2: But I got in more arguments over Derek Carr during

496
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Speaker 2: his quote unquote MVP candidate season than almost any quarterback

497
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Speaker 2: I ever did this exercise with, because until the very end,

498
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Speaker 2: I was like, you got to watch him on a

499
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Speaker 2: week to week basis, likes he's solid, but he is not,

500
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Speaker 2: Like the stats are telling one story and the play

501
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Speaker 2: to play like decision making and what he does, even

502
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Speaker 2: though he's really talented, tell a different story. Now, that

503
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 2: was obviously the very best version of car But even

504
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Speaker 2: when he was at his best, I was saying, like, look,

505
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Speaker 2: he's more in the seven to ten range or the

506
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Speaker 2: eight to twelve range, and I wasn't trying to give

507
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Speaker 2: him MVPs and I got a lot a grief for that,

508
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Speaker 2: And I think he fits at nineteen, and just globally

509
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Speaker 2: looking at this, it really strikes me that, like, I think.

510
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Speaker 1: You're half sort of have to be who they are.

511
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Speaker 2: I'd have a hard time having anyone argued like Baker

512
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Speaker 2: is sixteenth, like he is the Dalphins, he is the

513
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Speaker 2: Dalton line this year. But that to me speaks of

514
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Speaker 2: a season where offenses are struggling. Points are down, red

515
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 2: zone production is down, average yards per attempt are way down.

516
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Speaker 2: And you go back to the back half of this list,

517
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Speaker 2: and I think it's a little crazy to move back

518
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Speaker 2: up that high this week because he's been bad this year.

519
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Speaker 2: I mean, Dobbs has been better than him, Howell's been

520
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Speaker 2: better than him, even Tyrod on average certainly has been

521
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's been better than him. But then you look

522
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Speaker 2: at these names and it's like all these teams feel

523
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Speaker 2: like they have a bit of a quarterback issue. And

524
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Speaker 2: that's half that's half the league. So to go through

525
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Speaker 2: it Car was at nineteen, Dobbs Is twenty, Howell twenty one,

526
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Speaker 2: Ridder twenty two. Tannehill, who's coming off an injury. We'll

527
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Speaker 2: see if he plays this week. Probably not, but he

528
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Speaker 2: has a chance. Zach Wilson, Tyrod Minshew, and Russell Wilson.

529
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Speaker 1: I'll stop it there.

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Speaker 2: Rus Wilson is a guy you had way too high

531
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Speaker 2: in my opinion going into the season.

532
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Speaker 1: You just still had some belief in him.

533
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Speaker 2: I think shook and now you're burying him, and now

534
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Speaker 2: I almost think you're over correcting. I would have him

535
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Speaker 2: closer to the Dalton line because I just think other

536
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Speaker 2: than the Chiefs game, he's kind of just been an

537
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Speaker 2: okay quarterback like he's been to me, he's been a

538
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Speaker 2: little bit better version of what Derek Carr is what

539
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Speaker 2: we just talked about.

540
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Speaker 4: So the list that you're reading off is the one

541
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Speaker 4: that I submitted last night before I agonized and change

542
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Speaker 4: made some changes. Oh will he ends up being slightly

543
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Speaker 4: above Zach Wilson. Okay, that's not that drastic of a change,

544
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Speaker 4: but I think it makes a little bit. And that's

545
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Speaker 4: the one where I sat back.

546
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Speaker 2: And I was like, he definitely played better than Zach

547
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Speaker 2: Wilson this year. Come on, Yeah, Yeah, it's just that

548
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Speaker 2: I think it's Mark. Mark has issues with me coming

549
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Speaker 2: to Russell Wilson's defense.

550
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Speaker 3: I know, I like, I have no problem with Russell

551
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Speaker 3: Wilson just being somewhere in the bottom ten. I think

552
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Speaker 3: the thing I laugh about most is after an offseason

553
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Speaker 3: of like one until like wish cast Ryan Tannehill to

554
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Speaker 3: the Falcons that here we are in late note October

555
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Speaker 3: and you've got Desmond Ridder of a spot higher than

556
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Speaker 3: Ryan Tandel like globally, like career wise. I kind of

557
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: always think I overvalued Tannehill last year like he.

558
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Speaker 2: Kept Now I think I think he's been better this

559
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: year than Chick's given him credit for. What if he'd play,

560
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Speaker 2: I'd have him about seventeen right around, Yeah.

561
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Speaker 3: Tweet, did that come into your like middle of the

562
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Speaker 3: night consternation or are you comfortable with that now?

563
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Speaker 4: That was when I actually felt like Ridder's better than him,

564
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Speaker 4: because like he's good, has been better than Tannehill.

565
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Speaker 2: Say, okay, you were saying that Ridder is good, has

566
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Speaker 2: been good. That is an opinion that hasn't been shared

567
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Speaker 2: much on this podcast. Tell us why you think Ridder's

568
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Speaker 2: good has been good.

569
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Speaker 4: It was a couple of weeks ago where I watched

570
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Speaker 4: him come off of one of his worst performances in London,

571
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Speaker 4: and then he comes in and he's just like holding

572
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Speaker 4: safeties with his eyes and he's firing pinpoint passes all

573
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Speaker 4: over the field in this offense is moving, He's hooking

574
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Speaker 4: up with Kyle Pitts and Drake London, and I'm like, Wow,

575
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Speaker 4: this is what he could be. It's just that what

576
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Speaker 4: when he makes the mistakes, they're so crushing that it

577
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 4: keeps his value down because the complete picture has just

578
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 4: never come in like fully into form. But I think

579
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Speaker 4: that if he ever ironed out those mistakes, he's at letic.

580
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: He has an accurate arm for the most part. It's

581
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Speaker 4: just that he's young, and you can tell that he's

582
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: still kind of fighting through some of the growing pains, don't.

583
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Speaker 4: I don't think if I was Arthur Smith, I would

584
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 4: have given him, you know, this type of run, But

585
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: he also didn't have another option.

586
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Speaker 1: I would have made a play for a quarterback in

587
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Speaker 1: the offseason.

588
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Speaker 4: But I'm starting to see why he's sticking with him,

589
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Speaker 4: and I also understand why he gets frustrated when people

590
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Speaker 4: ask about him in the quarterback situation, because if you

591
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: do watch it on a per play basis, you're like, oh,

592
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Speaker 4: I see the potential.

593
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Speaker 1: I see it. It's not consisting, Okay.

594
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Speaker 2: And yeah, they I think teams are daring them to

595
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: throw and they've been doing it. But to me, you

596
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: need to have some special traits if you're going to

597
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: make that many big, big mistakes, you know what I mean.

598
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Speaker 2: And he's making too many mistakes for a guy like

599
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: turnover worthy plays for a guy that doesn't add enough

600
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Speaker 2: on his own. Tyrod is someone where my method of

601
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Speaker 2: doing it, the average game, I would have him higher.

602
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Speaker 2: So that would be one where I know Wes would

603
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Speaker 2: have been different and you're obviously different because how much higher,

604
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Speaker 2: like in the top fifteen, because I would just say

605
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Speaker 2: the two games out of Tyrod to me have been

606
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Speaker 2: above the Dalton line.

607
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Speaker 1: Am I crazy? I think he's played pretty well. You

608
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Speaker 1: could well.

609
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Speaker 4: Yeah, concerning Tyrod, I have him as the best backup

610
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Speaker 4: because like it's I like what he's done. I think

611
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Speaker 4: that the offense actually works better with him than Daniel

612
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 4: Jones because he's safe and he's a veteran. He does

613
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Speaker 4: what you expect a veteran to do complete open passes. Underneath,

614
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Speaker 4: he makes a little bit of plays with his legs.

615
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Speaker 4: He keeps the offense going and avoids catastrophe, which is.

616
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Speaker 1: Most important me.

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Speaker 4: But it's funny because the list we have on the

618
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Speaker 4: screen now, I talked about the one that I was

619
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Speaker 4: agonizing over. As you could see, this is why you

620
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Speaker 4: killed me for barring Russell Wilson down here is way

621
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Speaker 4: below Zach Wilson before I made some much needed changes.

622
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Speaker 4: So you're kind of seeing some shifts here in how

623
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Speaker 4: I'm struggling with figuring out this bottom third of the league.

624
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Speaker 4: But Tyrod, I think, to his credit, has done everything

625
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Speaker 4: you expect of a veteran. That's why you go sign

626
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Speaker 4: that guy. They're keeping them afloat offensively.

627
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Speaker 3: Well, we talked a little bit before the show about

628
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Speaker 3: what you did with your back five. Here you've got

629
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Speaker 3: Tyson page in at twenty eight twenty nine is Brian

630
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Speaker 3: Hoyer than Jordan Love. That's Packers fans Toyer, not thirty

631
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Speaker 3: one or thirty Well, that was I.

632
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Speaker 1: Was going to ask.

633
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Speaker 3: It's like you got PJ. Walker, it goes Bryce Young.

634
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Speaker 3: I think that's fair. He's been he's been a problem.

635
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: PJ. Walker down to thirty two.

636
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Speaker 3: I guess I have a different question about that because

637
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Speaker 3: I would have him higher than Hoyer, and I think.

638
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Speaker 1: That Hoyer are giving some veteran cred to.

639
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Speaker 3: But like if Deshaun Watson were playing, I just have

640
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: a question, where would he be with what you've seen?

641
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Speaker 3: Where would he be in this list? I'm not so

642
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: concerned about the PJ. Walker thing.

643
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Speaker 4: Somewhere between Minshew and Paget probably it's it's.

644
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Speaker 1: Watson hasn't been good.

645
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: He's had one good game, one pointless game, one bad game,

646
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Speaker 4: one good game, injured, injured, injured, terrible first quarter. Should

647
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Speaker 4: have had two picks right through one the other one

648
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Speaker 4: was overturned. I don't like anything I'm seeing from him

649
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Speaker 4: right now. And Walker, you know, Walker's chaotic. It's like

650
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 4: you're living on the edge when you watch him play

651
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Speaker 4: quarterback for the Browns because he rips off a few

652
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: really nice throws every game, but there are so many

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Speaker 4: throws who just makes you go oh no, no, no, no, no, oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay you avoided in an interception.

655
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Speaker 4: He's just it's just a little a little wacky with him.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those moments where I think, like,

657
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Speaker 2: what would we have said if we saw this going

658
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Speaker 2: into the season. It's it's week one asn't started, and

659
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Speaker 2: you're a Packers fan or a Panthers fan.

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Speaker 1: I saw Zach Wilson's name there first, right, But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of those.

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Speaker 2: That's true, h And you would you'd be fast forward.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Shook QB Index Week eight pod

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Speaker 2: with with me and Mark Dan coming on to preview

665
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Speaker 2: the primetime games shortly, and you would see Jordan Love

666
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Speaker 2: and Bryce Young at at thirty and thirty one, And I,

667
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't have a huge problem with you

668
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Speaker 2: putting them there. Maybe I'd put them ahead a couple

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Speaker 2: of the backups that barely played, but it's picking knits

670
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Speaker 2: that that's roughly the area. It's I want to believe

671
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Speaker 2: in Jordan Love. I want him to run more. You see,

672
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Speaker 2: you see the good. But like in terms of just

673
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Speaker 2: like knowing how to play quarterback in a way that

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Speaker 2: like I always appreciate from the Andy Daltons and the

675
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Speaker 2: Teddy Bridgewaters of the world that Mark and Dan like

676
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Speaker 2: think I am pumping up these average guys, but they

677
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Speaker 2: like know how to play quarterback at the NFL level

678
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Speaker 2: in just like a basic way, and Jordan Love doesn't

679
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Speaker 2: have that right now, and it's a little more worrisome.

680
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Speaker 2: It's a lot more worrisome for him when he's in

681
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Speaker 2: his fourth year. In Bryce Young's in his first year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what you're describing.

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Speaker 4: There is a lot of quarterbacks who know how to

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Speaker 4: take what the defense gives them and keep themselves above water.

685
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Speaker 2: And they're limitations too, right, and knows how to just

686
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Speaker 2: read things out for the most part.

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Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, that's not Jordan Love. Jordan Love tries

688
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: to play hero ball way too much. And the thing

689
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Speaker 4: is you can see matt lefluor adjust in game where

690
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Speaker 4: he gives him a shot early, Love screws it up

691
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: and then he's like, all right, we're just gonna take

692
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 4: everything underneath. And then the offense starts to move and

693
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Speaker 4: they put a couple of touchdowns on the board and

694
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Speaker 4: you think they might do it, and then Love comes

695
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Speaker 4: in and delivers a crushing turnover at the end of

696
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Speaker 4: the game. It's happening too often right now. I want

697
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Speaker 4: to believe in him too, because early in this season

698
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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, look at the potential.

699
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Speaker 1: Look at the natural ability. It's it's just not there consistently.

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Speaker 3: Do you engage with the people that will come at

701
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Speaker 3: you at probably Twitter, at the found what happened on

702
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Speaker 3: Instagram and weird places, you know, be knocking on your

703
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Speaker 3: front door, like, uh, do you or do you just

704
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Speaker 3: say you know what?

705
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Speaker 1: I'm Nick Schuck. I don't need to even respond to

706
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Speaker 1: these clowns. I think for my mental health, I ignore

707
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Speaker 1: most of it.

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Speaker 4: Twitter getting rid of my blue check mark a few

709
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Speaker 4: months ago kind of hurt that because it filtered. It

710
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Speaker 4: allowed some of the clowns back in the mentions where

711
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Speaker 4: I could actually see them.

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Speaker 1: It was filtering it out black and that's what I do.

713
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Speaker 4: But I did get a bald joke last week, which

714
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Speaker 4: I thought, hey, hey, your original, and I had to

715
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Speaker 4: clap back on that one. So it's look, every list

716
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Speaker 4: is gonna come with criticism, and I understand. And usually

717
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Speaker 4: what happens is it's that person's favorite team, the quarterback

718
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Speaker 4: is not as high as they want, so you just

719
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Speaker 4: kind of is it worth the fight most of the time? Now? No?

720
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Speaker 3: And also you're like cool bald? I mean, and anyone

721
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Speaker 3: who's bald as cool. I'm not saying they aren't. But

722
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Speaker 3: like you've got like anyone came up and saw you

723
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Speaker 3: in the grocery store, They're not gonna be talking about

724
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Speaker 3: your bald head.

725
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Speaker 2: You just knock well, now, every every bald guy out

726
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Speaker 2: there is like, am I cool bald?

727
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Speaker 1: So you put you put that.

728
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Speaker 3: Saying you are, like there could be some people where

729
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Speaker 3: it's you know you, You've kind of you have got

730
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Speaker 3: a nice stylistic choice going on.

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Speaker 1: There, so I'm leaning into it.

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Speaker 4: I decided when my hair line betrayed me when I

733
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Speaker 4: was twenty three years old, that I was going to

734
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Speaker 4: lean fully into being bald so much that a little

735
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Speaker 4: bit of work on the side that I do. We

736
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Speaker 4: have bald in the title, like I am embracing I'll

737
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Speaker 4: be a leader of the bald gang.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that.

739
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Speaker 2: You're you're a leader in the in the quarterback Evaluation Game.

740
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Speaker 2: Your leader on this podcast shook. And you don't know this,

741
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: but it's part of writing QB Index that the previous

742
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Speaker 2: writers of QB Indeck have a meeting halfway through the

743
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Speaker 2: season to decide if you should continue on. It's almost

744
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Speaker 2: like you've it's like an initiation and Mark and I

745
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: had that meeting today and Mark will tell you the results.

746
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Speaker 3: The results are positive, more positive than the mid season

747
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: meeting that obviously went on about me because it was

748
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Speaker 3: a one year run and then moved on.

749
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Speaker 1: But like Shook, I think you could do this for

750
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Speaker 1: as long as you wish.

751
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Speaker 2: Yes, we did a mid I remember back when we

752
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Speaker 2: would get you know, when we were full time employees

753
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Speaker 2: and you would have like mid term evaluations. It almost

754
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Speaker 2: be like you get a eight of how you're doing

755
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Speaker 2: this season. That was always nervous times. You're getting in

756
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Speaker 2: a your ranked number one on the QB Index. Chuck, Thanks, Hello, Hello,

757
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Speaker 2: who's there?

758
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Speaker 1: I feel who's there? I feel so honored. Oh, we've

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Speaker 1: got Dan Hansis in the building.

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Speaker 5: Uh. I don't know what it is, but too much bloviation.

761
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Speaker 5: So we got to wrap this up.

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Speaker 1: Guys, come on, we are going to take a quick break.

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Speaker 2: And then we got Dan Hanss previewing the primetime games

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Speaker 2: right after that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, SHOOKI, Thanks guys. All right, welcome back, Welcome me,

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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hanss. You just heard me.

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Speaker 5: Welcome as I am very confident on how the first

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Speaker 5: half of the show turned out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah to you from a distance, do you approve of

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Speaker 1: our work?

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Speaker 5: Yes, highly, I mean, I trust you guys. I think

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Speaker 5: it was a spicy There will be a study, there

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Speaker 5: will be a close study posts show. Okay, but I

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Speaker 5: have no doubts. I thought it was a noble of you.

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Speaker 5: You said.

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Speaker 2: Look, I've never written QB index and my quality to

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Speaker 2: even be on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Not at all. I don't.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't even talk about quarterbacks. I've never written the article.

780
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Speaker 5: Just one of those selfless moves that you know sometimes

781
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Speaker 5: doesn't show up in the box score.

782
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Speaker 1: But no, but it. Oh that guy gets it.

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Speaker 3: I think when there's a massive retrospective on your entire career,

784
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Speaker 3: it's going to be dotted with moments such as this.

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Speaker 5: All right, so there we go, fun talk with Nick

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Speaker 5: Shook there, and now let's pivot to week eight. Week eight,

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Speaker 5: how about that and the Island games? And oh my goodness,

788
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Speaker 5: this gives you an idea of what we're up against

789
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Speaker 5: as a football republic Island game wise, we couldn't lock

790
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Speaker 5: any of the favorites in these three games about to

791
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Speaker 5: talk about because there all the dogs are eight points

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Speaker 5: at least in terms of in the hole from the

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Speaker 5: desert standpoint.

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Speaker 1: All it does ever happened weird weird week for this.

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Speaker 5: Gotta be very rare that that's ever happened all three

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Speaker 5: of the Island games.

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Speaker 1: I know. Let's get to it. The Bucks.

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Speaker 5: Of Tampa Bay at three and three, coming off a

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Speaker 5: very disappointing performance I thought against the Falcons at home,

800
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Speaker 5: and they really had a chance, I thought to strangleholds

801
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Speaker 5: very strong for any team in this division, but really

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Speaker 5: kind of announce themselves as a favorite in that division. Instead,

803
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Speaker 5: you let the Falcons get away with a win there,

804
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Speaker 5: and now you've dropped into the middle of the pack

805
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Speaker 5: and now here is an angry Buffalo team.

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Speaker 1: Mark I say that on Thursday night.

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Speaker 5: That then oh yeah, So obviously what's gonna happen here

808
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Speaker 5: is the Bills are going to destroy the Buccaneers here

809
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Speaker 5: in prime time, and they probably will, and that's why

810
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Speaker 5: the spread is so high. But we have reached a

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Speaker 5: point with the Bills where it's hard to trust what

812
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Speaker 5: version you get week to week, which is a very

813
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Speaker 5: tricky situation for a team that fashions itself a Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl favorite.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and they've been getting in their own way, and

816
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Speaker 3: the Josh Allen experience has been a frustration.

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Speaker 1: The entire offense has been a frustration.

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Speaker 3: I think we sort of hit it on the head

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Speaker 3: a couple times where it's like they feel like they're

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Speaker 3: missing an element.

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Speaker 1: Could it be a big game for someone like Dalton Kincaid.

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Speaker 3: I think if you're Buffalo, though, here's where I could

823
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Speaker 3: paint where the victory comes from. For me, the Bucks

824
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: have been revealed to me as a one dimensional attack,

825
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Speaker 3: like when you got this better version of Baker Mayfield.

826
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Speaker 3: All right, because Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, they can still

827
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Speaker 3: do it. But if you found a way to get

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Speaker 3: one of those guys out of the picture, you're your

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Speaker 3: collection of running backs are the worst in the league.

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Speaker 3: Rashad White is averaging three and a half yards per carry,

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Speaker 3: Kasehan Vaughan one point nine, Seawan Tucker one point five.

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Speaker 3: So it's a one dimensional offense that can be shut down.

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Speaker 3: I think this other, one little other factor I thrown

834
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Speaker 3: there is that Vidavea is dealing with a litany of injuries.

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Speaker 3: He is a huge difference maker that could impact the Bills,

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Speaker 3: and if he's not on the field, they're just not special.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bills confused me because they started this season believing, Wow,

838
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Speaker 2: they finally got a running game.

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Speaker 1: They finally got it going.

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Speaker 2: And I think James Cook, who went over one hundred

841
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Speaker 2: yards from scrimmage again last week, is really a good player.

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Speaker 2: But they're not a consistent running team. They're not a

843
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: consistent like we need three yards on third and three,

844
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Speaker 2: we can go get it. They're inconsistent offensively, I think

845
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Speaker 2: in large part because Josh Allen isn't running the whole

846
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Speaker 2: offseason story of like, well, Josh Allen's got to be

847
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: more careful, Josh Allen's got to do this, totally get it.

848
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Speaker 2: It makes sense. It's also hurt their offense significantly. He

849
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Speaker 2: is on pace this year for less than half of

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Speaker 2: the rushing yards that he had a year ago, less

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Speaker 2: than half, less than half of first downs, and you

852
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Speaker 2: could say, okay, you look at it.

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Speaker 1: You had fifty five first downs on the ground last year.

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Speaker 2: That's as much as some or more top shelf running backs.

855
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Speaker 2: And they're always in key spots like when you need

856
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: it like a third and four and he goes and

857
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Speaker 2: gets it. And so I think that's part of it,

858
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Speaker 2: finding that balance. And it's a tough defense to run

859
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Speaker 2: against Tampa. They're still pretty solid defensively, They're not special,

860
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Speaker 2: But this Bill's the offense, the way it's playing, you

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Speaker 2: would think that they keep them under twenty three, and

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00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: they keep it a close game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like you don't have to squint too hard to

864
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Speaker 5: see this as turning into a close game where the

865
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Speaker 5: Bucks even having a chance, which again is an indictment

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Speaker 5: of where the Bills are at at this point of

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Speaker 5: the season. And you look at the Bucks, what are

868
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 5: they done well this season? They've protected the quarterback, Baker

869
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 5: has not been sacked a whole lot, the Bill's pass rush.

870
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: You know, Von Miller played six naps against the Patriot Yanks,

871
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 5: and he's coming off that right knee injury, and he

872
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 5: has not been a guy. And then you put if

873
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 5: you could protect Baker, we know he could get hot,

874
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 5: and then you put a lot of pressure on the

875
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 5: Bill's secondary and of course they're you know, they're missing

876
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: guys this Bill's team. Part of it is the what

877
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: Greg just brought up about Josh Allen, a little bit

878
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 5: of a mystery about some elements of his play in

879
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: the inconsistencies of the offense. But when you take out

880
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 5: Tradevius White with the Achilles tear, and then you take

881
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 5: on Matt Malan, who was like the heart and soul

882
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 5: the middle of that defense. It shouldn't be surprised if

883
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 5: the Patriots went down the field at the end of

884
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 5: that game. And is this a case of one of

885
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 5: the reasons why they're not playing so well is they've

886
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 5: lost too many key guys on that defense to be

887
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 5: special there, and then the Bills offense has not been

888
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 5: consistent enough to make up the difference.

889
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: Our friends at Next Gen SAT's had some good stats

890
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: right on that point that since Milana went out, their

891
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: success rate allowed on throws over the middle has gone

892
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: from fifty percent, which is quite good, to seventy two

893
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: zero point five percent. And the time to throw for

894
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: opposing quarterbacks is also way up, so quarterbacks have more time.

895
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: They're not getting the pass rush.

896
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: Ed Oliver got hurt in that Patriots game two, he's questionable,

897
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: so that's another pass rusher and Milano being gone, Like

898
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: you can hold the ball and you can find guys open.

899
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you could.

900
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 3: In the Patriots, who were just a disaster on the ground,

901
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: We're gashing the Bills up the middle, and it's like

902
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: Matt Milano it's like his absence looms absolutely large on

903
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: this and I thought that, you know, Sean McDermott has

904
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: done up until these injuries, had did a real nice

905
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: job calling this defense, you know, with no Leslie Frazier

906
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: this season. But I flipped to the other side too,

907
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: where Ken Dorsey, outside of like you know, the Matt

908
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: Canada thing that's going on, like the Bills are going

909
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: to be in a tough situation if they can't handle

910
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: business quickly in here, because I think Ken Dorsey's the

911
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: kind of guy could have the entire stadium like ushering

912
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: booze down. And this is like this Bill's experience is

913
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: so far away from where we even were a couple

914
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, where they were like utterly dominant. Their

915
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 3: offense looked completely dominant. And I thought last year the Bills,

916
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: you know, there was injuries with Josh Allen, but it's

917
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: like they got streaky and to see them go do

918
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: it all over again now, it's just like this is

919
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 3: a tough team to figure out.

920
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: They make a trade, they really strike me as a

921
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: team if you want to put Jerry Judy on a team,

922
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: or hop Neander Hopkins or someone like that, man the

923
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: Bills would be a good spot for one of those guys.

924
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: You know what, if I'm the Bills, we are battling

925
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 5: down the hatchets. I'm if I am Sean McDermott, I

926
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 5: am emptying out the chamber in terms of my pregame speech.

927
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 5: If I'm the operators in that stadium, I'm turning off

928
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 5: the stupid heat lamp heat heat lamps in the mezzanine

929
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 5: and loge of the Bill's home stadium.

930
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: What's it called these days? What do you doing? You

931
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: know those?

932
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 6: Isn't it a little bit you Roberts? You gotta say, like, well,

933
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 6: first of all, it's high Mark Stadium. Now, high Mark's

934
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 6: day was New Airfield. I call it the ralph Still listen.

935
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 6: I am a native New Yorker. Further south is where

936
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 6: I grew up.

937
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: But Western New York these are these are they are

938
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 5: firm humans, they are they.

939
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: Are salt of the earth in most cases.

940
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 5: And then they're tough people, and they're hard working people

941
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: and decent people. And then you see this heat lamp

942
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 5: across the loge and it's like, where is like that

943
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 5: old Western New York mentality that you need when when

944
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: the chips are down in a game like this.

945
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 6: Well, I've born and raised in California, so I can't

946
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 6: speak on it. I get quite like city, but I

947
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 6: do get what you. I didn't know what it was

948
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 6: at first. When I first started seeing I was like, well,

949
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 6: those are cool lighting and I'm in a bunch of

950
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 6: Bills fan facebooks and.

951
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: That's for the Buffalo elie.

952
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, so there was questions about when those heat lamps

953
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 6: get turned on off. And let's know what one fly

954
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 6: in the ointment here, it's expected to be in the

955
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 6: sixties fahrenheit here.

956
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Then guess what Buffalo. I bet they'll have those lamps

957
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: on the Buffalo elite. Yeah, the elite can't do six.

958
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 5: Again, their champagne, champagne and eating the brie. They shouldn't

959
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: be in that power.

960
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: Get them out. It's in a place for elites.

961
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: We're breaking seventy here in Buffalo late October.

962
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: Hey, all right, save for the Global Warming podcast anyway.

963
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, I think this is a such

964
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 5: an important game for the Bills.

965
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: Obviously, he's set up well for them to kick.

966
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 5: Ass, but if they don't, like you could, it's going

967
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 5: to be more than just the Low's red because You're

968
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 5: gonna flick the red panic switch, and the red light's

969
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 5: gonna go on all around.

970
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: This organization and throughout Western New York. They got to

971
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: go to Cincinnati next week, the best primetime game of

972
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: the week.

973
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: Actually, well, the eight points is too much. I'll be

974
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: listening to you guys on that recap.

975
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Enjoy. Okay, I can't wait.

976
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 5: The Chicago Bears are back in prime time and Tyson

977
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 5: Agent is in primetime because Justin Fields with that hand

978
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 5: injury will not be making the start. So Beigent who

979
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 5: I think I heard during the telecast. It was something

980
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 5: crazy like hundreds of tickets that he purchased for friends

981
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 5: and family for his first start. And he played well

982
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 5: and the Bears won convincingly. So that was a perfect day.

983
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: Now Beagent's in primetime against the Chargers, and again the

984
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: home team here, Los Angeles. They should be in good

985
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 5: shape here, Mark, because they're a better team, They're a

986
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 5: deeper team. The Bears are playing a backup quarterback without

987
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 5: a lot of heat to them despite a good, good

988
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 5: game last week. But you know what the Chargers do

989
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 5: are the Bolt's gonna find a way. Like Daniel Jeremiah

990
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 5: said in the viewing room a few weeks back. I

991
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 5: don't care if you put some junior high team on

992
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 5: the field, that game will come down to a field

993
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: goal at the end.

994
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: Is this what we're going to get?

995
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: Yes, that's why eight and a half points is like,

996
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand the opponent, but that's a lot

997
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: of trust in the team that I have no trust in.

998
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: That's a team that has two wins that have come

999
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: against the Raiders, which is self explanatory.

1000
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: Mac gave us cloth right and a vikings and then

1001
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: the Vikings.

1002
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: So it's like this team has gone up and been

1003
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: walloped and been shown to be fraudulent. To me on

1004
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: a lot of levels, I don't like what's happening in

1005
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: general with the offense outside of Justin Herbert doing Justin

1006
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: Herbert things. They in that opener, I had incredible hope

1007
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: with what was happening on the ground without Ecklert. In

1008
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: a number of these weeks they weren't the same. I

1009
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: get the injury there, but they've been held under sixty

1010
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: one yards rushing in three of five games, putting a

1011
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on Justin Herbert. The other thing that

1012
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: happened last year at the end of the year that

1013
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: I thought that was part of their undoing. Mike Williams

1014
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: is kind of like the secret sauce in this passing attack.

1015
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: I think when he's out, he's not in there. It

1016
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: changed a lot for Keenan Allen and it's like, cool,

1017
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: great spot for Quinton Johnston to step up your high

1018
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: draft pick. He has seven catches on the year, and

1019
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: so they're suddenly out of sorts. And I'm not saying

1020
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: it's an opportunity for a terrible Bears defense, but the

1021
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 3: argers are not giving us what we taught.

1022
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: No, they're star players, aren't now the players they've invested

1023
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: on Quintin Johnson great example, because look, Darius Davis, the

1024
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: return guy, is getting more work than Quinton Johnson as

1025
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: a rookie in that offense. I mean, they don't trust

1026
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: their running game. They're handing the ball off to Darius

1027
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: Davis in big spots. They can't get three yards on

1028
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: their ground. They're very frustrating, and I don't think this

1029
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: is the same Bear scene. I think it's a terrible line.

1030
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm not feeling needing the stress of the rain maker

1031
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: on this game. But the Bears defense has played much

1032
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: better the last three weeks, they're just like back to

1033
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: being potentially a normal defense. Now you can look at

1034
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: the opponent, Raiders, that was pretty easy. Commanders they played well.

1035
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: Vikings they did a nice job. They're also healthier. Jalen

1036
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: Johnson's playing well at cornerback, Jakwon Brisker is out there,

1037
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: Kyler Gordon is back. They've gotten just a little bit

1038
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: of pass rush, and they're just like they've looked more

1039
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: just like a defense versus the eber Flus tie. And

1040
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: you flip it to the Chargers who have been a

1041
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: tire fired defensively because they're not getting anything out of

1042
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: Joey Bosa.

1043
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Now, let's go Joey Bosa.

1044
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: Even Derwin James has this been like a great Derwin

1045
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: James season. It's unfair to like point at the best

1046
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: players sometimes, but you're making all that money. He's not

1047
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: making like a massive impact. And Bosa has been quite quiet.

1048
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: They say he's playing through an injury, but it's fine,

1049
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: that's what he's always doing.

1050
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 3: Irwin's PFF score this year has fallen off a clip

1051
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: really compared to other years.

1052
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 5: And also playing through an injury is justin Herbert And

1053
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 5: you know, I was dubious of this initially because sometimes

1054
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 5: it's on my radar about excuses being made for Justin Herbert.

1055
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 5: And then it was like, well, this injury is affecting

1056
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 5: him as a passner. He's like, well, it's a broken

1057
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 5: finger on his non throwing hand. But you look at

1058
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 5: the stats. He's had one of the worst three game

1059
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 5: stretches of his career in terms of production since he

1060
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 5: hurt that finger. He's missing throws he had against the Raiders,

1061
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 5: career lows and completions and passing yards. He's had less

1062
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 5: passing yards in the last three games than any spending

1063
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: in his career. And it does affect him as a quarterback.

1064
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 5: And first of all, he says he's in constant pain

1065
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 5: and that just sucks because she wanted him to go

1066
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: through a full season healthy. Also, he's now handing off

1067
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 5: with his right hand exclusively, so just changing the way

1068
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 5: he does.

1069
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: But still it's not his throwing hand.

1070
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 5: And he got a huge contract in the summer, which

1071
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 5: he deserved, and he has the upside again. Greg, I

1072
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: know this draws criticism from certain corners of the football

1073
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: cogna zend, but come on, Justin, like you're on pacer

1074
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 5: about twenty three touchdown pases this season. Start lighting up

1075
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 5: some teams and start in primetime against a bad Chicago outfit.

1076
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you've got enough.

1077
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Light him up, Greg receiver with Josh Palmer's playing pretty well.

1078
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's more of it too. It's not an exciting group,

1079
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: but that the offense overall is disappointing. I just don't

1080
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: expect him to light it up. They just haven't put

1081
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: up big, big point totles. I think the Bears are

1082
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: playing better. This is a huge moment in Brandon Staley's career.

1083
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: This is their Sunday night game. They chose not to

1084
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: flex it A little surprising there. The combined winning percentage

1085
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: for these two teams has to be lower than any

1086
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: Sunday night football game.

1087
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: The Chicago market.

1088
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: I get it and LA and sofi, but I just mean,

1089
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: if you're Brian and Staley and you lose your defense

1090
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: loses to Tyson Bagent on Sunday night football, are you

1091
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I don't think so, but

1092
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: it starts the march to he gone. I mean, it's

1093
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: not hard to envision.

1094
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 3: Like interim head coach Kellen Moore a couple of weeks

1095
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: from now, if that occurs on Sunday night, bench me. Well,

1096
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting that it's you know, erotic or anything

1097
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: or attractive.

1098
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: It's just it is what it is.

1099
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 5: Why did oh you literally pinched me that I will

1100
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 5: be marching up the HR immediately after this.

1101
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Although I did touch monkspodocks on.

1102
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 5: My way in the studio, right, So if I say that,

1103
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 5: you know, I say that, what but he consents?

1104
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: I want I didn't. It doesn't matter. I want everyone

1105
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 2: to stay here.

1106
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: They just to start.

1107
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 5: Well, you just started by physically touching, following your command,

1108
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 5: I know. But you also came in very slowly. It

1109
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 5: was hot, predatory, it was hard, hard to reach.

1110
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get back on track.

1111
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 5: So yes, big game for the Chargers, and it'll be

1112
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 5: fun to root for Tyson Bage at the very least.

1113
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: It is. He's like, I'm with.

1114
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: You, considering the records of these two teams, I'm into

1115
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: watching it.

1116
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're a Bears fan, you much rather

1117
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 5: have seen Justin Fields starting to build up that other

1118
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 5: prime time in a couple weeks ago.

1119
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: But that's not the way this season seems to be going.

1120
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: For a lot of teams.

1121
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: Every time you want to get excited, somebody gets hurt.

1122
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 5: All right, let's go to Monday night football. It's close

1123
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 5: that out.

1124
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: Gate Night. What's Gate Night to you, guys? No clue?

1125
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: Gate Night, I mean typically associated with some sort of controversy.

1126
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 3: But is it like you're trying to real people into

1127
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: a stadium, like get a lot of gate a lot

1128
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: of tickets.

1129
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: Incorrect?

1130
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 5: Gate Night where I grew up in the suburbs outside

1131
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 5: of New York, where that is the name for the

1132
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 5: night before Halloween where there is some mischief in the

1133
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 5: air and the bad kids the dirt bags.

1134
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the skids will.

1135
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 5: Go out with eggs and toilet paper and create havoc. Now,

1136
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 5: this is also known in other areas of this country

1137
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 5: as I think Devil's Night.

1138
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: Or mischief Night. I knew it was mischief Night, so

1139
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: I always thought that was interesting.

1140
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 5: October thirtieth Monday night football Gate Night, at least in

1141
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 5: Pearl River.

1142
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: I don't get the gate part of it, but it's

1143
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: who knows. Let's call it like Hooligan's Paradise, you know,

1144
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: it sounds like in your.

1145
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: Two Gate Night. I'm just gonna do it a quick. Oh, okay,

1146
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: there you go. Gate night has a Wikipedia page. Is

1147
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: it g a t E or g ai at e?

1148
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 5: Around New York City, Connecticut, Winnipeg, Weird and Rhode Island

1149
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 5: a particular night commonly the night of the thirtieth to

1150
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 5: the thirty first of the October, during which young people

1151
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 5: play pranks and do mischief. It's got to be a

1152
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 5: better way to say that in their neighborhoods.

1153
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: All right, I'll keep an eye out.

1154
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 5: You didn't have anything like that in Western mass There

1155
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 5: was no Devil's Night or anything very.

1156
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Well behaved U there? What about in the wed the

1157
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Tony Streets of Connecticut?

1158
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: Mischief Knight? But I mean there were skating, there was plenty.

1159
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: There was a lot of t peen and eggs and whatnot.

1160
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: But I feel like that was just on Halloween.

1161
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 3: I think I would agree more that it just occurred

1162
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: that on that all right, actual holiday, if that's what

1163
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 3: we call calling Halloween.

1164
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: Monday Night football.

1165
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 5: The Las Vegas Raiders back in prime time, last time.

1166
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: I believe it's their last time in prime They.

1167
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 5: Kind of front loaded these teams as they typically do

1168
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 5: to get the markets covered and to our displeasure, fan bases.

1169
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: The Raiders three and four, coming off an ugly, ugly

1170
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 5: loss against the Bears.

1171
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: We got a TNF versus the Argers in week fifteen.

1172
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: A man, well, they play the Jets on Sunday night

1173
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: and also play Chargers.

1174
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 1: That's got to be moved.

1175
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: Maybe flex the Jets the Raiders at the Detroit Lions.

1176
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: Now here is a blowout. I can get behind confidently

1177
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 5: and I understand, like, geez, like, what the hell happened?

1178
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: Greg? What happened?

1179
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 5: Because we had a conversation a week ago where I said,

1180
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 5: you know, I think that Detroit is the third team

1181
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 5: in the NFC, and then you kind of built off

1182
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: that with some more hyperbole, and we're all in the

1183
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 5: same like bed here with that. We're all celebrating that.

1184
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 5: Oh why, they're beyond even questioning at this point. But

1185
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 5: then they get absolutely pantsed by the Ravens, and truly

1186
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: great teams don't get pants to that level very often.

1187
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 5: My feeling is that they are going to beat the

1188
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 5: Raiders by potentially thirty points here, but they also might

1189
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 5: be now just entering a funk themselves.

1190
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: They have talked about that they got a little high

1191
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: on their own supply.

1192
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: They got I don't know something I eat that sometimes.

1193
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: I just think that's something you say afterwards, because going

1194
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: into that game, they certainly wouldn't have thought that they

1195
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 2: were the.

1196
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 5: Same thing with teams that are high on their own supply,

1197
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 5: that's when they start really rolling and just rolling through

1198
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 5: portions of schedule.

1199
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: So I don't don't.

1200
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: I think they want to be bullies, and I think

1201
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 2: they found a team that was more physical than them

1202
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: on both lines, and that was a little stunning. It's

1203
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 2: like if you're if It's like if you're the Eagles

1204
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: and you play a team that can beat you up front,

1205
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, what are we doing? And the

1206
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: right The Lions defensive line especially, I think is vulnerable

1207
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: to having off weeks against truly elite UH offenses. But

1208
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: that's not going to be the case here. I think

1209
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: they'll get enough pressure on whoever's playing quarterback. There's one

1210
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: report from ESPN that is probably gonna be Ad and

1211
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: O'Connell if Jimmy G's not ready. Jimmy G hasn't been

1212
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: medically cleared. He has that back injury. We're taping this

1213
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, so it's just too early in the week

1214
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: to know as last week there was a lot of

1215
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: confidence that Jimmy G would come back for this game.

1216
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: I hope he does because I think that would make

1217
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: it a little more watchable. But honestly, the Jimmy G

1218
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: we've seen for the Raiders, I think is going to

1219
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: struggle in this matchup. The one thing if you're the

1220
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: Raiders that you'd be excited about is these Lions cornerbacks

1221
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: are banged up, and you just hope, can you take

1222
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: advantage of Devanta Adams and Jacobe Myers with some mismatches

1223
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: on the outside, that's your only chance.

1224
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 3: I like, I don't like forgive or excuse what happened

1225
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: to the Lions at all.

1226
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: I think it's like they are a young, new good team.

1227
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: You know.

1228
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: It's like them been through like a seven year experience

1229
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 3: under the same coach doing this, and so like their

1230
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: two losses have been like terrible losses, and like they've

1231
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: taken care of business pretty consistently every other week. I

1232
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: mean to the point that that was they had a

1233
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 3: fifteen game streak broken of scoring twenty plus points, and.

1234
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: I think if you the Raiders, by the way, haven't

1235
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: scored twenty points this season.

1236
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: They're the reverse in consistency and the wrong way, and

1237
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: they're the I think they're the first team.

1238
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: I forget for how long it is, but that is

1239
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: extremely rare for a team to not score twenty points

1240
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: for some well, especially in.

1241
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three, when you so called brought in an

1242
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: offensive minded, creative coach that was going to jazz up

1243
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: this offense. Instead you got a bunch of players that

1244
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 3: they didn't do anything to fix the line. I think

1245
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 3: that's a big problem. You got a hurt quarterback. It's

1246
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: not helpful at all. They can't I think the ground

1247
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: game has been totally shaken up by the fact that

1248
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: they can't run, block very well.

1249
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: I think the one little thing that stands.

1250
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: Out here, and these stats typically would never even look at,

1251
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: but like Goff's home in a way splits are insane,

1252
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: Like he has thirty touchdowns and five interceptions since last

1253
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: season at home. He doesn't make mistakes at home. And

1254
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: I think if you get some of these guys who've

1255
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: been banged up. I don't know what we're at with

1256
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 3: David Montgomery, but they spread the ball around really well,

1257
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: and it's like I would be stunned if they don't

1258
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 3: show up with their hair on fire under Dan Campbell

1259
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: in this contest and absolutely take care of business.

1260
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find because it's becoming a wild thing,

1261
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 5: a wild situation with Josh Jacobs.

1262
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, they're running.

1263
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 5: The offensive line plays the part always in the run game,

1264
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 5: and the passing game affects the running game. But he's

1265
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 5: averaging less than three yards to carry. This is the

1266
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 5: rushing champ last year and a guy that was at

1267
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 5: least or should have been in the consideration for Offensive

1268
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: Player of the Year for what he did for the

1269
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 5: Raiders last year. What's the best advanced metric on this

1270
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 5: yards above expected?

1271
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean that, like, I'm.

1272
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 5: Curious if, like if that type of data helps his

1273
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 5: cause or makes him look even worse. I haven't seen

1274
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 5: when I've watched this team. I think for a lot

1275
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 5: of big holes for Josh Jacobs. But right maybe it's

1276
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 5: a combination of two things. A guy that took the

1277
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 5: summer off and a running game in general that took

1278
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 5: a step back, or an offense that took a step back.

1279
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: I think he's can we find that that's had some

1280
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: plays where he looks like Josh Jacobs and then I'm

1281
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: not that worried, but I think to be as unproductive

1282
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: as they have been, it's a combination. They're twenty fourth

1283
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: in run block win rate, so they're not a good

1284
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: running they're not opening holes. But he's clearly not making

1285
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: enough people miss. That's always been his move is to

1286
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: make people miss. He's not a big play maker, but

1287
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: he makes the first guy miss. He picks up like

1288
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: eight yards. He's not doing that enough. There was a

1289
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: play in last week's game where you know, free rusher

1290
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: comes in in the backfield and he loses four yards.

1291
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: But I did think, like, man, would he have made

1292
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 2: that guy miss a year ago?

1293
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: Maybe? All right, anything else in this game?

1294
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: No, let's show up Raiders because you know, I'm I'm

1295
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: invested in these Monday night games. I'm doing that work

1296
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: for Channel five. It's like it's three whole hours, like

1297
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: ending night. It was only it was only three hours.

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Speaker 2: It was only three weeks ago that we had Raiders

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Speaker 2: Packers on Monday and night, and now we got another one. Like,

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Speaker 2: give me something, give me.

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Speaker 3: Some schedule makers on a half of LSD when they

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Speaker 3: were putting these night games together. This is an unfriendly sight.

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Speaker 3: But I'm I'm gonna tell you they're gonna I will

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Speaker 3: watch them.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'll do. Oh good trying.

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Speaker 2: I'm also glad by the way, Uh, David Montgomery probably

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Speaker 2: not gonna play.

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Speaker 1: They have a bye week next next Uh, he've been

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Speaker 1: the same without him.

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Speaker 2: When this When this game though, When this game and

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Speaker 2: you get to six and two and you're at your

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Speaker 2: by and it's a very successful first half of the season.

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Speaker 5: I'm furiously googling Josh Jacobs rushing yards over expected, and

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Speaker 5: I am not successful at this time.

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Speaker 6: I feel like that's a good sign of it, that

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Speaker 6: being a problem.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, that's it. You'll you'll just have the

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Speaker 5: living mystery listeners, what a mystery is?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: He is ranked third to last in the league in

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00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: rushing yards over expected, So he's seventy six yards under expected.

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Speaker 2: Can you guess who number one on that list is?

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Speaker 2: You mentioned him earlier. Dalvin Cook has a big time

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Speaker 2: issue and that his team needs to upgrade. In this

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Speaker 2: very preview section.

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Speaker 1: Was it a Tampa Bay buccaneer, I mean, just say

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Speaker 1: the name God Waite, there you go. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: could pick from a coming.

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Speaker 5: I literally could not believe my eyes watching that game

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Speaker 5: against the Falcons, how bad the running game was? All right,

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Speaker 5: let's uh, let's go. We got a lot more good

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Speaker 5: stuff coming up this week. Uh, Connie Fox in the

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Speaker 5: Foxhole with Connie our next step.

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Speaker 1: Do not miss it until then. That's an important metric, Marcus.

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Speaker 5: Is It's just it's there's the data, yeah, and then

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Speaker 5: the underlying data. No, I'm not disagreeing that it's it's

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Speaker 5: important to pop the hood Sessy be the call.