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Speaker 1: It's the best of two pros and a couple of

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Speaker 2: H he's pretty much got Offensive Player of the Year

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Speaker 2: wrapped up at this point. I would say MVP, but

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Speaker 2: they don't give that to running backs anymore.

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Speaker 3: So Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, yes, they was jocking him yesterday.

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Speaker 3: That's for certain. It's the best team in the league

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Speaker 3: right now. It's crazy to say they're up there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: look very good. I mean when we say best team,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know they're doing the best, but they're

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Speaker 3: like the number one overall team, right I don't know

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Speaker 3: that that makes them the I mean, obviously they're the

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Speaker 3: best team statistic, I mean by by category of wins

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Speaker 3: and losses, But are they the best team right now?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: Can they stand up against Buffalo or Kansas City? Can

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Speaker 3: can they win win?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: They run the ball, they've gotten really good quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: They seem like they fit all the criteria and if

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Speaker 2: we're being honest, they should be undefeated. That game they

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Speaker 2: lost was against the Rams. That was when you know,

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Speaker 2: the dude dropped the ball Ady Mitchell before he crossed

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Speaker 2: the goal line. There's another holding call that wiped out

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Speaker 2: a Jonathan Taylor long run. So, yeah, you were saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, teams, you know, it's a pass first league now,

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Speaker 2: But Jonathan Taylor has been fantastic, so overwhelming favor to

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Speaker 2: win Offensive Player of the Year right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, and I'm I think that they're they're

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Speaker 3: a fine team, and they're showing that they can play

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Speaker 3: at a high level and they're doing well. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: outside of the Chargers, do they have a signature win?

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Speaker 3: Uh Denver? They should have lost that game. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and that's well, what week is that? But what week

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Speaker 3: is that? I that was that ridiculous leverage call? What

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Speaker 5: What week was ridiculous? It's a rule, dude, it was

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Speaker 3: It was a it was a week call. It wasn't really.

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Speaker 3: I just I just feel like the way they had

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if the Colts are are

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Speaker 3: fools gold or not. I just don't know. They look good.

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Speaker 3: The record says they're good, but best team in the league.

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Speaker 3: I'm not ready to say best team in the league,

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Speaker 3: even though they look good. Jonathan Taylor runs for three yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I get all that he's having a great year. Is

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones even in consideration for comeback Player of the Year,

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Speaker 3: because I don't even know what the hell the rules

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Speaker 3: you went there what last year?

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Speaker 2: Well, as we've learned, when a guy almost dies on

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Speaker 2: the field, uh, that mean he's gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Dang.

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Speaker 3: So I just I just don't understand which what definition

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Speaker 3: applies to comeback player?

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Speaker 2: All right, So, speaking of that comeback player of the year,

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Speaker 2: who would you guys say right now on DraftKings is

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Speaker 2: the favorite for comeback to I guarantee you guys will

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Speaker 2: not get this because I don't.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to try.

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Speaker 3: Joe Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Comeback player of the year favorite right now in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: according to DraftKings, Dak Prescott didn't he play last year? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean he was banged up a little bit. It

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Speaker 2: gonna I mean Daniel Jones is I mean, he didn't

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying. But was he what was he did

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Speaker 3: he go to the Colts last year or was this

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Speaker 3: his first year? We went to Minnesota. Yeah, see, I

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Speaker 3: almost feel like this should be comeback Like, isn't that

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Speaker 3: what happened with the one quarterback? That guy comeback player

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Speaker 2: Flacco won it, he was he was he had wasn't

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's different if he wasn't playing at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there was one where he was playing and he came back,

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Speaker 3: he went to a different team. And one comeback player of.

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Speaker 2: The year, Christian McCaffrey's second on that list, And that

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Speaker 3: Was he out for the season last year? McCaffrey, I

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Speaker 3: mean he missed a lot of pretty much, he missed

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Speaker 3: a lot. I just don't understand comeback player of the Year.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand like the parameters of it, where it starts,

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Speaker 3: where it is.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It's a mystery no one really understands.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just, I just I'm curious as to what

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Speaker 3: the Colts will do as as this season you know,

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Speaker 5: They play in a bad division, let's just call what

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Speaker 6: Yeah, everyone looks at them as lesser because they plan

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Speaker 6: a bad division, and so we say their schedule is manageable.

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Speaker 6: But dude, they beat who they beat and by the way,

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Speaker 6: like they're not really allowing it to be close. Like

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Speaker 6: let's compare this to the college ranks. Okay, like there's

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Speaker 6: another team in the state of Indiana or Indiana who

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Speaker 6: seems to get this like same flack where they're like, well,

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Speaker 6: they don't really play well, Like they beat the crap

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Speaker 6: Broncos game was closed. There's a few close games in there,

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Speaker 6: but like, if you're gonna like, well, what they're doing

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Speaker 6: against the bad teams, they beat the crap out of them.

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Speaker 6: I think they're a really good football team, Like I

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Speaker 6: think we're all waiting for like that.

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Speaker 3: But are they the best right now?

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Speaker 6: Yes, Like it's hard to say that because their quarterbacks

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Speaker 6: I get that, But Daniel Jones is playing really well.

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Speaker 6: And to Jonas's point, they've got potentially the offensive player

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Speaker 6: They've got a defense that under lou Anarumo is like

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Speaker 5: They're they're a.

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Speaker 6: Good football team. Like they are the best right now

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Speaker 6: who they've been, what they've done all Right, You saw

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Speaker 6: them and like Coop says, like, oh that Denver should

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Speaker 6: have won that, dude, they did on that.

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Speaker 5: Denver's a good football team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's a good one to throw the hooks.

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Speaker 3: Throw up the hooks, throw.

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Speaker 2: The hooks up. They shouldn't have beat us, Brady, you

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Speaker 2: saw the Colts up close and personal. Is this staying power?

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Speaker 3: Is this?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a team that's going to be around for them,

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Speaker 3: I don't see them falling off of a cliff and

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Speaker 6: Yes, they can run, they can throw, they have a

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Speaker 6: just hesitating because again it's it's it's a little bit

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Speaker 3: Or anythink that's the biggest question mark and can we

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Speaker 6: But the people want to see them against like better

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Speaker 6: what you got Pittsburgh. I believe next week right at Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I want to see and listen.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm prepared to say that there's fools

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that either. I'm just saying I don't

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Speaker 3: the early win against the Broncos. But that's early. I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: have they who have they beaten? That is a note,

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying like that to me. And I'm again,

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not gonna jump out here and be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: Do they land the same? Are your body blows? Are

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Speaker 2: Have you guys seen Jonathan Taylor's touchdown celebration the like

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Speaker 2: stutter stutter man. He comes to like not a dead

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, whether that's people still trying to tackle,

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Speaker 2: Well, but I'm just like, man, is he gonna like

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He's He's in a dead sprint and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: You know what upsets me by the way shooting at

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Speaker 3: What you don't see what I'm shooting at? You you're blind, bro?

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Speaker 3: You're stupid? Bruh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is the celebration. You know, you like

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Speaker 3: This is why I'm upset about Saquon still to this day.

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Speaker 3: You see how quickly it can shift. And Saquon had

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Speaker 3: a good little little game yesterday. No, he's as growing

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Speaker 3: as now sore, like he's a little sore. But here's

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Speaker 3: the thing. From year to year, especially at that position,

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Speaker 3: you're never gonna he's never gonna have anywhere near close

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Speaker 3: type of success. That's so great what he did. He

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Speaker 3: Is Jonathan Taylor? Like I know he got to to

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Speaker 3: Man, it wasn't even that long ago that Brian Kelly,

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Speaker 6: Like there's so many things that Brian Kelly has done

439
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 6: over his time at LSU that led him not to

440
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 6: be likable, like as a Notre Dame alum and fan

441
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 6: obviously and someone who is the day he literally left

442
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 6: to say he could go win championships elsewhere and started

443
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 6: a collective like in twenty four hours after that. Like

444
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 6: the one thing I'd say that is the starkest contrast

445
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 6: between Marcus Free and Brian Kelly is Marcus is incredibly likable.

446
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 6: He's genuine and likable. Brian Kelly hasn't comed off as

447
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 6: either of those at any point, neither genuine or likable.

448
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 6: And I think when you don't have the success on

449
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Speaker 6: the field, and you obviously don't want to work at

450
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 6: it and recruit the way your predecessors have or even

451
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 6: the guy who replaced you a notre dame has. It

452
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 6: becomes really revealing. LSU is not devoid of talent ness.

453
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 6: Meyer can play. They've got talent on that team. There's

454
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 6: no doubt about it. They'll have some first round picks.

455
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 6: The head coach was a problem.

456
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: Mm yeah, they struggling in Boulder too. I wonder how

457
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 3: that that's that's gonna go. I just I just think

458
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: that this this coaching world we're in right now at

459
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: the college level is going. You're and you're right, it

460
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 3: is going. It is about how the guy is perceived.

461
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: Like Marcus Freeman is is a likable guy. He does

462
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: check off the boxes, good looking dude, speaks well, played

463
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: the game, you know, has has all the the attributes,

464
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: has a good looking family. He he stays in shape.

465
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy to think all these little things matter

466
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: moving forward. You can't be a fat, slobbingly looking guy.

467
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: And and when like I know, Elko is like on

468
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: that borderline of I'm damn, but you had better. You

469
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: had better have a superpower if you're not checking off

470
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: some of the obvious, some of the obvious things that

471
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 3: are on the checklist of being a college coach had

472
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: a major blue chip and you know, superpower in football.

473
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: And the problem for Brian Kelly and Brady alluded to

474
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: it was if you think about his tenure at LSU,

475
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: you don't think about any of the big wins, You

476
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: think about the fake Cajun accent, you think about the

477
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: outbursts going after Davo Swiney, just like, none of it

478
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: is on the field and none of it is performance based.

479
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: He just comes across really unlikable, Like he's a really

480
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 2: unlikable guy. And that's why, you know, LSU fans were

481
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: chanting it, and you know, he's four years in. It's

482
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: not like he didn't win games. It's just he didn't

483
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: live up to the expectations that were there. And when

484
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: he came in, there was all this conversation the yeah,

485
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: the video with the recruit like, it's just the whole

486
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 2: thing was odd and it never seemed like And that's

487
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: why I wonder was it just a money thing that

488
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 2: he left Notre Dame. Was there talk about Notre Dame

489
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: wanting to split with Brian Kelly or was it just

490
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: him simply seeing a better offer and he wanted to

491
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: jump ship and go get more money.

492
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 6: All right, So one of the things that I think

493
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 6: becomes wearing for athletic directors.

494
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Speaker 5: And this is just my general observation of what I

495
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 5: see in this space.

496
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 6: This is not like specific to any university or any

497
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 6: athletic director, but there's been a power shift in this

498
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 6: NIL era because the the you know, the board of

499
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 6: regents or whatever prominent alum who's got the deep pockets

500
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 6: that's bank rolling usually the collective or or how this

501
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 6: is operating. You know, they're in essence kind of controlling

502
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 6: the whole thing. Right, They're the guy who's going to

503
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 6: buy out the coach or write the biggest check if

504
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 6: they're trying to buy out that coach. They're the guy

505
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 6: that's gonna write the check to go find that top

506
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 6: play they need, or retain a player if they're trying

507
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 6: to leave. And so it's almost bypassed now the athletic director,

508
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 6: who's the guy who's in the position to oversee a

509
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 6: coach that's making five times what he's making. Like the

510
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 6: entire process is flipped. You know, when you look at

511
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 6: the structure of an NFL organization, usually the general manager

512
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 6: and the head coach are somewhat on even footing, you know,

513
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 6: and maybe that's not going to be so much the

514
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 6: case of what the coach is being paid or compensated,

515
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 6: but it's not that far off. There is a huge

516
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 6: contrast between what the athletic director is being compensated and

517
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 6: then what the head.

518
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 5: Coach is being compensated for some of.

519
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 6: These top programs now, and the problem that creates is

520
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 6: is as long as that deep pocketed donor, as long

521
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 6: as he's got you know, the head coach has his ear,

522
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 6: it's really all that matters. Because that athletic director is

523
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 6: not gonna to bite the hand that feeds them, and

524
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 6: that's that.

525
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 5: That's that alum.

526
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 6: So like I look at it in this case and

527
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 6: I just I sit there and say, if you look

528
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 6: at a bunch of the different circumstances that have happened,

529
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 6: it's oftentimes out of these, you know, whoever that alum is,

530
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 6: whoever that donor is, that's essentially calling the shots and saying.

531
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Speaker 5: Nope, we're done.

532
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 6: Like this got to the point at LSU where the

533
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 6: governor of the State of Louisiana was involved.

534
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 5: Think about that for a second, Like.

535
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 6: You've got the governor of the state of Louisianas involved

536
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 6: in the in the firing of a head coach in

537
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 6: college football, the state employee, Right, So l s U

538
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 6: is a public school, correct it is, then that's that's

539
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 6: that's the that's probably their employee for the employee. But

540
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 6: that's a typical you don't hear about that very often.

541
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 6: And and that's what makes it kind of unique, is

542
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 6: like there's obviously a lot of again deep pocketed donors

543
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 6: and the lums who wanted this to happen. They didn't

544
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 6: want to watch whatever is going to occur in Alabama,

545
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 6: what in a couple of weeks when they've got to

546
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 6: play him. They wanted him out now, and they want

547
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 6: to start that process. It's going to be a competitive process.

548
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 6: You have Penn State, You've got Florida. You know some

549
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 6: are gonna you know, argue and jockey over will what's

550
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 6: the better job?

551
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: Right?

552
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 6: Lane Kiffin just keeps sitting there winning it whole miss,

553
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 6: and he looks newer and better looking, and he does.

554
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 6: I think it's Tan's got better, his teeth got wider, Like,

555
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 6: he just keeps looking better and better.

556
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 5: Right, the longer this whole thing plays on, And.

557
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 6: The interesting thing about that yeah, Hey, you look good

558
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 6: to me.

559
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: I ain't just saying geez.

560
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 6: I just think that's the biggest change right now in

561
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 6: college football that no one wants to really acknowledge is

562
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 6: the person with the most power is someone who is

563
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 6: not even necessarily operating within the confines of this college structure.

564
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: And that's just the truth.

565
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 6: Like it's the deep pocketed donor someone on the outside

566
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 6: is running a business, has a ton of money, that

567
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 6: loves his school and wants to see them succeed. And

568
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 6: that's ultimately who's controlling it.

569
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 5: Now.

570
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 6: We can say the athletic directors running the search firm

571
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 6: and all this stuff, and it's you know.

572
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: Connecting the few.

573
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 6: But you better go get that guy to check off

574
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 6: the box of whoever you're going to hire, otherwise you're

575
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 6: not getting that check.

576
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: I think that this next round of coaches that will

577
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: eventually circulate through all of these schools, I don't think

578
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: anyone is safe. If you're in the SEC and you're

579
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: in the Big ten, I don't think any coach is safe.

580
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: And I don't know how how long some of these

581
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: coaches will be in pockety.

582
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 6: Think about like Michigan State, melt Tucker signed a huge deal, right,

583
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 6: what Jonathan Smith get paid to go there, and they're

584
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 6: talking about he's maybe not gonna make it. I mean now, no, granted,

585
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 6: that's kind of the going great or price. And what's

586
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 6: crazy about this is if you're a really good football

587
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 6: coach and you're at any one of these schools, you're

588
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 6: getting paid more because everyone's trying to poach you, and

589
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 6: every university has to sit there and be like, well,

590
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 6: we got to pay them more. So when you go

591
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 6: back to like what happened with Brian Kelly, every single year,

592
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 6: it becomes really difficult for that athletic director because if

593
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 6: you're a good football coach and you're one of the

594
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 6: top programs, the NFL is gonna come after you, other

595
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 6: college program's gonna come after you. So what do you

596
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 6: think that agent's doing for his coach. He's saying, Hey,

597
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 6: many's they want to pay him this. I want to

598
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 6: pay him this. So as an athletic direct you're gonna

599
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 6: go back to the donor. You're gonna go back to

600
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 6: the school and say we got to pay more. We

601
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 6: got to pay more. Every year, every year there's someone

602
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 6: coming after him, whether it's from above or level playing

603
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 6: fielder in that league, like someone's trying to pay him more.

604
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 6: That gets wearing. I mean after a while too, you

605
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 6: kind of have to look at it and say, like,

606
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: all right, like where are we at? And you know,

607
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 6: could we find someone who we feel like I could

608
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 6: do an equal, if not better job. And in regards

609
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 6: to Brian Kelly and you know, Lincoln Riley, we've talked

610
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 6: about this. They both had the same agent at the time.

611
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 6: I don't think Lincoln Riley's represented by Trace Armstrong anymore.

612
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 6: But you know, those deals were kind of set in

613
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 6: place and they kind of swapped and they ended up

614
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 6: where they ended up. And I don't know that Southern

615
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 6: calor LSU was happy with what they signed up for

616
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 6: what they're paying. You know, obviously LSU is not, but

617
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 6: what Southern Cal is paying, even Lincoln Riley and what

618
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 6: they're getting out of that. They had a tough one

619
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 6: this figure versus Nebraska. They're favored, but it's been actually

620
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 6: a crazy spot where you know, when when Lincoln Riley's

621
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 6: been favored as a s C, you know, they've.

622
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 5: Struggled on the road.

623
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Speaker 6: I think like he's won like three times or whatever,

624
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 6: or I should say covered like three times, and I

625
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 6: think two of those versus UCLA at the Rose Bowl,

626
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 6: Like I mean, so I think they're laying They're laying

627
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 6: seven points right now, and they're playing in Lincoln this week.

628
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 5: Has it been a good spot for him?

629
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Speaker 3: I just think it creates such a dilemma, such a

630
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: dilemma because you gotta basically, in essence, walk up to

631
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: these coaches with a blank check in order to be

632
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: able to get them to come coach your team. You

633
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: gotta go to them with the blank check in order

634
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: to get them to leave where they're at or to

635
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: get them to come where you are over another school,

636
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: and then you're locked in with them and you got

637
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: to do a buyout. Like it's it's a horrible time

638
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: in my estimation for coaches in terms of stability and

639
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: being able to stay out of place for an extended

640
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: amount of time. I'm not sure how that you know

641
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: how that will play out in terms of long tenured coaches,

642
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: But what we do know is is that there will

643
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: be a lot of guys getting very wealthy in the

644
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: coaching field that will be basically bouncing around or you know,

645
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: I guess it's it's in contracts that they have to

646
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: within what is it, like good good faith, go seek

647
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: a different job try.

648
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: And that actually applies to James Franklin.

649
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 6: He's got mitigation in his contract, so like as soon

650
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 6: as he got fired, he asked to publicly say like, yeah,

651
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 6: I can't wait to go coach.

652
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 5: Somewhere else, right, because he has to actively see to

653
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: go coach.

654
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and I don't even know how that's going

655
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: to offset what these guys are signing in terms of

656
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: guaranteed contracts for the amount of time that they're signing him.

657
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: Otherwise the coach says, Hey, I'm gonna just go over here.

658
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: And and these schools are now in position where they're

659
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: going to be leveraged exactly. I mean that's always been

660
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: how it is, leverage the next school to use it

661
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: against this school to get what it is that you want.

662
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: But I think it's even worse now.

663
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Speaker 6: Well because there's so many like there's obviously if you

664
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Speaker 6: compare it to the NFL, you know, and this is

665
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 6: where like the economics start to play a factor. Right,

666
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: So the NFL generates about ten billion annually from its

667
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 6: TV media rights deal. The big ten I believe is

668
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 6: the most expensive as of now that they generate about

669
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 6: over a billion, So there's a ten time difference between

670
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 6: the two. So NFL teams can largely move on from

671
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 6: a staff because it's not just the head coach. You know,

672
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 6: you're signing up your coordinators to these handsome deals too,

673
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 6: But they can move on from them and kind of

674
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 6: start over because they are generating so much revenue, not

675
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 6: just when the TV media rights deal, but just to

676
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 6: give it a comparison, you know, for and by the way,

677
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 6: like think about the difference in well, they play seventeen games,

678
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 6: so they're getting eight or nine home games a year.

679
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 6: Right with college football you're hopefully getting that maybe with

680
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 6: a playoff game, but you know, usually it's not that

681
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 6: many home games, so you're not getting as much ticket

682
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 6: sales as concessions all that. You know, these schools aren't

683
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 6: making quite as much from their TV media rights deal.

684
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 6: Whatever the revenue share break that is for the big

685
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 6: ten for each team, you can do the math on that,

686
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 6: or you know, Notre Dame is a good example because

687
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 6: it's the only team and I think they're getting a

688
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 6: little over a fifty some million a year for NBC

689
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 6: and then they get partial rev share from the acc.

690
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 6: So when you talk about like stroking a check for

691
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: fifty some million, and that's just the head coach, that's not.

692
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 5: The coordinators too.

693
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

694
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Speaker 6: Now, granted they're not quite to that extent. Like but

695
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 6: for example, Penn State, Knowles wasn't cheap, gold wasn't cheap.

696
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 3: Yes, not at all.

697
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 6: You start looking at the numbers they add up and

698
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 6: you go, all right, how are we going to do this?

699
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 6: Like are we able to tap into the endowment? Now

700
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 6: that might be a conversation for down the road, but

701
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 6: you know, typically endowed funds they've got a general purpose.

702
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 6: You know, there is or I should say general, there's

703
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 6: a specific purpose, and so those funds have to be

704
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 6: allocated towards you know where those funds were designated.

705
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 5: Now, now again.

706
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 6: There's some gray area there, and somebody who's smarter than

707
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 6: I am would would tell you how that works. But

708
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 6: you know, there's the problem trying to point out as

709
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 6: the business model.

710
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 5: You know, the.

711
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 6: College schools aren't equipped yet to be able to handle

712
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 6: the turnover that we're seeing. And that's why I keep

713
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 6: going back to it's not that the school probably doesn't

714
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 6: want to be in this position. It's the donors and

715
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 6: the alums, like they're the ones with the money where

716
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 6: the school just says, okay, you want, I'm gone write

717
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 6: to check, like like help us out then, because otherwise

718
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 6: we're in a really, really tough spot and they'll just

719
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 6: threaten and say, well I'm not going to donate that.

720
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 6: It's like, well, okay, but then we can't move on

721
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 6: from them.

722
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 5: So we're gonna be in the same position every year

723
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 5: until you do something. You get a group of people

724
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 5: want to do something to be the difference. I mean,

725
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 5: there's some wild conversations that are happening right now behind

726
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 5: the scenes.

727
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, creating a lot of opportunities for business people too,

728
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean, especially like former students and stuff like that

729
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: that have always dreamed about being a part of the

730
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: program at a higher level. Like a lot a lot

731
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: of those dudes was his name Shapiro as is name,

732
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: the guy, the guy that was out of Miami, Devan Shapiro,

733
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: like those, There's going to be a lot of them

734
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: popping up a lot.

735
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738
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739
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Speaker 6: All right, all right, So Sunday morning, I walk out

741
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 6: into the garage and I was doing some stuff, and

742
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 6: I noticed there's a gigantic hole I shouldn't say gigantic,

743
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 6: but about the size of a bowling ball hole in

744
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 6: the drywall down where some electrical wiring comes into the

745
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 6: house for some exterior lights.

746
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 5: And it's chewed through.

747
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 6: And I'm thinking to myself, Okay, this has to be

748
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 6: some sort of rodent mouse. But I was like, man,

749
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 6: my mouse is already chewed through like wires like that, So.

750
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Speaker 5: I think it like a rat.

751
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 6: And as I'm looking around more and more, I'm like,

752
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 6: all right, I'm looking at what it got into.

753
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: And so I'm sorting of say, okay, I.

754
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 6: Need to clear out the garage see if whatever's got

755
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 6: in is still here.

756
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 5: Now obviously, how did it get there?

757
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 6: Well, my wife likes to leave the garage door open

758
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 6: for like hours upon hours at times of the year

759
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Speaker 6: where it's not smart, so that's most likely the culper

760
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Speaker 6: because there's no like hole in the exterior or something.

761
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 6: So as I'm clearing this stuff out. I see this

762
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 6: little furry fellow, and he's not really that little. I'm

763
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 6: looking underneath and I still to this day do not

764
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 6: know if it's a beaver or a gopher.

765
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Speaker 5: But because it's got a kind of great hair, it's

766
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 5: definitely not a groundhog. I know that. I know that.

767
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 6: But what I ended up trying to flush it out

768
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 6: to one side of the garage to then push it

769
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 6: out this one garage door. Well what darted back towards

770
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Speaker 6: my wife as she's watching this, and instead of like

771
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Speaker 6: trying to stand her ground, like shoot it a certain direction,

772
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Speaker 6: she runs to run behind her car that's parked in

773
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Speaker 6: the garage. So what does it do? It runs up

774
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Speaker 6: underneath and crawls up up up under there. So then

775
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Speaker 6: she looks at.

776
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Speaker 5: Me, she's like, well, what do I do?

777
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Speaker 6: I go, well, back it out of the garage, like

778
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 6: I'm not I don't want that to sit in here.

779
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: So then it was like we're trying to spray it

780
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 5: and see if it came down she drove it around.

781
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Speaker 6: I don't even know it could still be up underneath

782
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 6: the carle we have no idea.

783
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, that's an ir for certain A car

784
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: might be on IR at someone your car's got beaver.

785
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: That road in is going beyond IR big cats the

786
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: right wire in there, that is do it, folks.

787
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Speaker 5: Nice beaver dang.

788
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792
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Speaker 2: The uh Baltimore Ravens saved their season yesterday with that win,

793
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: because it kind of feels for a.

794
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Speaker 3: Week, right, I mean, that was a super big, big

795
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: game for them, and and that was it was not

796
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: looking good knowing that Lamar Jackson wasn't going to play.

797
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how much confidence you know,

798
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: one would have in the ability to win a game

799
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: of this magnitude not having your your star quarterback in

800
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Speaker 3: so but it was a big win because they bought

801
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: themselves some time. And look the Beers, honestly, they're they're

802
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: not a bad team like they they look pretty pretty decent.

803
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: Like they were competitive. So I mean, I'm chunks.

804
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams has gotten worse like as the season's gone on,

805
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: and and people will go, well, whatever the Cowboys game,

806
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: everybody throws for record yards against the Cowboys or defense.

807
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 5: Their defense is so bad.

808
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: It's bad.

809
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 5: They're so bad at Dallas. It's awful.

810
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad.

811
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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know how you don't make a

812
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 6: change at some point soon.

813
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: M I don't know, but I do believe that the

814
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: Ravens they're they're far from out of the woods.

815
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to get away with one

816
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: because we were we were working under the impression that

817
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson was going to be available because it was

818
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: trending that way. And you know, he uh practiced as

819
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: a full participant on Friday, and then afterwards retroactively the

820
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: Ravens listed him as limited the following day.

821
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: They looked at the beers, they were like, you know what,

822
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: we could get through this one with snoop snoop.

823
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: So come on, gonna do it. Who who messed up?

824
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: Though?

825
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 6: Was the training staff? Was it the head coat? I mean,

826
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 6: who messed up on this one?

827
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh spoke about the quote unquote mix up after

828
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: the game yesterday.

829
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 7: As a coach, what you do is you you ask,

830
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 7: you might you know, how is he doing?

831
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 5: That's about as much as you do.

832
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 7: How are we doing? And what do you think and

833
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 7: then you get the guys ready that are going to play.

834
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 7: Then when the guys come back to practice, you put

835
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 7: them in there, you practice, And that's how it works.

836
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 7: On the coaching side, coaches aren't involved with you know,

837
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 7: statuses and whether guys play or not.

838
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: That's not a coaching decision.

839
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean they don't have any say or any in

840
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: but on what's going on or how that whole thing

841
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: lays out. I know he's coming. I know they've got

842
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 2: a short week because they're playing the Dolphins this week,

843
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: and so I could understand the idea that, well, look

844
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: it's a short week, you know, why rush him back here?

845
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: You know haven't written. But there's seasons on the line

846
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: with every game. And I just wonder how many people there,

847
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: like maybe Lamar was like, no, I'm not ready, and

848
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: they thought he was. And so he's just going to

849
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: focus on Miami this short week as opposed to play

850
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: the Bear.

851
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: Seemingly he could take another week to get healthier. I mean,

852
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 3: you don't want to risk it, and like you could

853
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: brag about being a good enough team where you can't

854
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: you don't have to play your start quarterback. I mean,

855
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: they're they're at two wins. It's all hands on deck

856
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: at this point.

857
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: They're for sure gonna get fined, like the organization's gonna

858
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: get fined.

859
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 6: Well, they should get fined. I mean, it's not that complicated.

860
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 6: Either he was a full participant or he wasn't. Coming

861
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 6: from someone who fully expected Lamar Jackson to play, I

862
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 6: was shocked, and I'm like, dude, this almost I mean,

863
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 6: this usually doesn't happen in the NFL. There's rare instances

864
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 6: when it does, or maybe there's a setback or something.

865
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 6: This they just try to be like, oh yeah, sorry,

866
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 6: are bad.

867
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 5: It's bush league, man.

868
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 6: Well there's a lot of people, there's a lot of

869
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 6: people out there, like Jonas Knox who that might have

870
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 6: persuaded their bet to take the Chicago.

871
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 5: Bears for some reason.

872
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: Sure why, Like that's sitting at six and a half

873
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: after that news came out and the line dropped, and

874
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, man, at time of the pick, like we

875
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: got it at six and a half and then it

876
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: didn't matter.

877
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 5: It just didn't matter. Is that just just the Bears

878
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 5: aren't good? Is that what you're saying?

879
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: They can't throw the ball the job? I say, their

880
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: defense is pretty dang good. Man, they're aggressive. I thought

881
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: I thought there were a lot of calls that went

882
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 3: against them, you know, and in that game, but I mean,

883
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: I thought they were pretty competitive. I don't. I don't

884
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: believe the score is indicative of what this Bears team is.

885
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: And I think that if they were to correct some

886
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: of the things that they're defishing. In with with Williams,

887
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: I think they're like they're a team that can win,

888
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: like I do. I think they're a team that is

889
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: actually possibly developing into a team that can win, like

890
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: I Maybe you didn't like it the way uh, you know,

891
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams looked, but I didn't think the team looked

892
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: look bad at all. And they listen, I know Lamar

893
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: Jackson wasn't in the game, but I thought they played

894
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: played fairly well.

895
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: So they beat the Raiders on a block kick, they

896
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: beat the Commanders because they were just giving away the football,

897
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: and then they beat the Saints and offensively they were

898
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: not good in that game.

899
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: Like that's just and the Cowboys stink. I don't.

900
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't see it like and listen,

901
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: I would love to look at this and go, oh,

902
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, they're gonna be a wild card teams. I'm

903
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: pretty sure I had them as a wildcard team with

904
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: our picks, which is embarrassing upon further but I just

905
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't It doesn't look like Caleb Williams is getting better.

906
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: It looks like it's either stagnant or maybe a little

907
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: bit worse as the season goes on.

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Speaker 3: I think that's harsh