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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmulk, back from Indianapolis and the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine and to break down everything that happened. We're joined

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Speaker 1: by the chief scout for our lads dot Com, you

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Speaker 1: know them for the Depth Charts where they have a

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Speaker 1: really robust scouting side as well, and the man who

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Speaker 1: leads that is Dave Severezin. Dave, how are you man?

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Speaker 2: Awesome guys, how are you doing? And welcome back from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: I wish I could have been out there with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's great though that we can talk to you now.

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Speaker 1: You watched everything the same way we did. I prefer

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Speaker 1: watching the drills on TV anyway, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna really try to drill in on some

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Speaker 1: of the metrics and some of the numbers and what

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Speaker 1: you thought of the on field drills as well that

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Speaker 1: are on timed Dave, as you go position by position here,

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Speaker 1: so and then at the end we'll do a little

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Speaker 1: giants at six talk too. So let's go defensive line first,

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Speaker 1: the order in which they went, and defensive tackle. It's

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Speaker 1: not the best class, Dave, in terms of guys going

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Speaker 1: really high. I think you only get we'll get one,

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Speaker 1: maybe a second first round pick in Johnny Newton, who

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Speaker 1: did not work because of that Jones fracture. And then

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Speaker 1: of course you have Byron Murphy. And look, I think

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Speaker 1: Murphy checked every box. The numbers are great, and I

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Speaker 1: think to kind of set the stage here, we should

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Speaker 1: make the point the real numbers are important, but more

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Speaker 1: important is how guys do versus expectations, right, Dave, And

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Speaker 1: I think people if you watch Murphy on tape, you

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Speaker 1: know he's a smaller, quicker, explosive guy, and that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what his workout looked like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the theme of the defensive tackle

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Speaker 2: group in this class. Now you look at the top

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Speaker 2: guys between Newton, who you mentioned, Byron Murphy from Texas

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Speaker 2: and someone who's starting to make a potential name for

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Speaker 2: himself as a late first probable. Second is Brandon Fisk

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Speaker 2: from Florida State. The theme that all these guys have

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Speaker 2: is get off pass rush moves. But also, and this

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Speaker 2: is a bit big deal for some teams, is the

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Speaker 2: lack of length. You know, you wish one of these

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Speaker 2: guys could really measure out long enough those thirty three

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Speaker 3: Rush moves, and none of them have it.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's going to be something that we

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Speaker 2: knew going into the combine, but it was confirmed via

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Speaker 2: the measurements. And then you know, watching some of these

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Speaker 2: that is a theme that a lot of teams are

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Speaker 2: looking for. And I think with the new defensive cordinator

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Speaker 2: these guys that we just mentioned being on the top

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Speaker 2: and probably we'll see one of them fall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Braden Fitstman, Florida State, just six feet tall,

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Speaker 1: also not what you're looking for. So I agree, one

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Speaker 1: Who I think fits into that same category dave is

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Speaker 2: Six three two ninety. The difference between him and the

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Speaker 2: eighty one in span, big hands, and his get off.

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Speaker 2: the kind of feel that Hall gives and he played

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Speaker 2: I think Giants, based on again the new Decornador, what

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Speaker 1: One other guy that I'm going to throw into this

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Speaker 1: He's six ' five right, he's only two hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: for me, Lee would be a nice Day three pick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, John, I know you guys are going

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Speaker 2: to be talking what the Giants should be doing in

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Speaker 2: rounds one, two, and three in the coming weeks, right,

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Speaker 2: and at some point there's going to be a position

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Speaker 2: or two that you just cannot address based on numbers.

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Speaker 2: And like you said that Day three, early round four,

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Speaker 2: even at round five, this is where the Giants could

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Speaker 2: grab a guy like Logan who's going to come in

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Speaker 2: not project to be a starter, but with the defensive

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Speaker 2: guy that just seems safe and reliable and you know,

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Speaker 1: All right, some bigger guys that maybe can do a

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Speaker 1: But I think he's a guy that you can move

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Speaker 1: a really good pro And probably i'd say either round

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're I'm really strong, round too great

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Speaker 2: And and it's the body type. This is a guy

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Speaker 2: who's going to be a better pick or higher pick,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Davis or root Back. At this time last year,

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Speaker 3: But when you project these guys, and this is the

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Speaker 3: blurry line of projecting and scouting talent, it's all right,

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Speaker 3: and what did they do in college? It's a tough

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Speaker 2: But this guy projecting forward is he reminds me of

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Speaker 3: It was not a household name.

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Speaker 2: You knew that he was never going to be a star,

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Speaker 2: common was Ruke. You know, heavy hands and length, bend

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Speaker 2: and underrated athletic ability. I was surprised by how well

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. For a man that size to

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Speaker 1: move that well is pretty impressive. All right, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I was hoping you were going to mention Mason Smith,

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Speaker 2: because this is a kid that really bursts onto the

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Speaker 2: had some high expectations for him, and it didn't go

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Speaker 2: These guys take longer to recover, and we started to

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Speaker 2: was moving I know Daniel Jeremiah spoke about this a

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Speaker 2: couple of times. Woefully impressive, really really impressed by how

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Speaker 2: he moved in. You know, there's some Chris Jones vibes

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Speaker 2: to him when you see that kind of height, weight,

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Speaker 2: broadness and speed. You know, is he a little rough

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Speaker 2: around the edges, Absolutely, But you know, the Giants have

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Speaker 2: had a lot of success scouting, projecting and developing defensive tackles,

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Speaker 2: and if they like this guy's tools and they can

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Speaker 2: put them in the room with Dexter Lawrence, this could

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Speaker 2: be one of the top value grabs in the drafts.

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Speaker 2: One name, his teammate, Mkai Wingo undersize absolutely, but the

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Speaker 2: twitch and explosion and the intangibles. I heard that he

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Speaker 2: just knocks the knocked the doors down with his interviews

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Speaker 2: with teams. That's another name if that team is going

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Speaker 2: to really look for another three tech type pass rush penetrator.

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Speaker 2: Mackay Wingo, who wore that infamous number eighteen jersey, you know,

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Speaker 2: given to the LSU top captain on the team. That's

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Speaker 2: someone to keep an eye on as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked Wingo better on tape, Mason Smith was

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, those two guys will be both good

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Speaker 1: my O player for defensive tackle. It's Deveandre Sweat. He

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Speaker 2: You know the eyebrow raise that you just gave as

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Speaker 2: Is he is three sixty six? Going to be a

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Speaker 2: talking about him as round one, round two if you're

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Speaker 3: But that those are questions.

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Speaker 2: I think the interviews for him were probably more important

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Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 4: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to defensive end here, Dave and

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Speaker 1: these guys, you know, they all kind of met expectations

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Speaker 1: about a lot of these guys. You know, Chob Robbins's

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Speaker 1: was really good. Dallas Turner was awesome. We thought he

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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't seem like the most explosive guy

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Speaker 1: what's your tape showing me?

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right? I mean, what's interesting about the names

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Speaker 2: I mean, those are probably going to be the top

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Speaker 2: put in different orders. They all have like that that

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Speaker 2: one question. You know, it's like that prevents them from

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Speaker 2: some of them it's size, some of it's it's juice

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Speaker 2: measurements alone. It was Dallas Turner six ' two sorry,

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Speaker 2: If anything, that kind of confirms that he's not going

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Speaker 2: because someone below two fifty has never been the number

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Speaker 1: Okay, but and I promise you, by the way, if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you're right, You're exactly right. End thirty four

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Speaker 2: So there is size there. But John, the issue I

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Speaker 2: If you don't have that, you can still be a

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Speaker 3: But the thing that you can make a case for.

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Speaker 2: Dallas Turner is none of these other guys really answered

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Speaker 2: I love Law too. He really might be the number

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Speaker 3: But that wingspan man like that is that is scary.

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Speaker 2: I think it was seven just over seventy six inches

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Speaker 1: Absolutely two guys in this group I think are interesting.

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Speaker 2: I think the lack of size to I don't want

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Speaker 2: He's big where it matters. I mean, his hips are

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Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't have a lot of juice behind

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Speaker 2: But so is Dallas Turner. And if you're going to

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Speaker 2: He's not going to get pushed off his line because

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Speaker 1: All right. One other guy, Marshall Niland, I think is interesting.

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Speaker 1: He played inside outside the senior bowl, good size to

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Speaker 2: That's a Dave Ghettoman Jerry Reese type defensive end right there.

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Speaker 2: But I guess we'll have to wait for some of

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Speaker 2: there's no there's no snap that tells them or no

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Speaker 2: On the forty, they're deciding everything. The agility shows up

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Speaker 2: Neither can get in and out of this break really quickly.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over actually one oh guy defensive end.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a good player. I'd

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Speaker 2: the fall, just because I love the guy's tape. I

435
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Speaker 2: mean I believe he led the nation and pressures two

436
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 2: straight years. I mean that's a big deal. Yeah, and

437
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 2: he's put against some really good tackles, guys that we're

438
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Speaker 2: going to be talking about in the coming weeks.

439
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 3: And his effort.

440
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 2: I love these guys with that engine, that motor switch

441
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: that just never turns off a lot of those hustle plays.

442
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: But sometimes we can fall victim to overrating that because

443
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL you have to have a certain level

444
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: of talent, physical ability, especially at the edge position and trace.

445
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 2: I mean he he weighed in twenty pounds less than

446
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Speaker 2: I thought he would. It was two hundred and forty

447
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 2: five pounds. I thought he was going to push to sixty.

448
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,360
Speaker 2: That was one of the strengths I had on him,

449
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Speaker 2: that he had that pro mass to him, thirty two

450
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Speaker 2: and a half inch arms, a four seven two forty.

451
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Speaker 2: You know, nothing jumped off the screen from him. All

452
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Speaker 2: the entire workout, you're right, and the drills, there was

453
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Speaker 2: something some sort of concentration issue going on with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what was going on either, very

455
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: very odd all right linebackers. I don't spend too much

456
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Speaker 1: time here. Uh, Peyton Wilson, you know, he was my

457
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Speaker 1: top linebacker coming in if you take health out of it,

458
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Speaker 1: and I think he worked out that way. Eddrian Cooper, boy,

459
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Speaker 1: he's built like a safety man like he is slight,

460
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Speaker 1: but he can move any other linebackers jump out to you.

461
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Speaker 1: If you want to comment on those two guys, you

462
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Speaker 1: can too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

464
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Speaker 2: I mean Peyton Wilson ran a forty that you hope

465
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Speaker 2: some corners run.

466
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Speaker 3: But you got to make sure you don't overrate that

467
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Speaker 3: too much.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's an impressive feet But I think the

469
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 2: red flat with him obviously the medicals. He's had four

470
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Speaker 2: season ending injuries shoulders and knees. He's had over ten

471
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Speaker 2: surgeries in his lifetime, which is just it's going to

472
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Speaker 2: be a tough thing to overlook. I bet some teams

473
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Speaker 2: won't even have them. But the lack of length, you know,

474
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: he has a hard time taking on blockers. That shows

475
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Speaker 2: up on tape. And you know, but he's a fun

476
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Speaker 2: guy to have. And I said before the combine. One

477
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Speaker 2: defensive question I had about the group overall was which

478
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Speaker 2: linebacker would win the Best Athlete award, because if you

479
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: go back to the last few drafts, those are usually

480
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Speaker 2: the first linebackers taken, the guys that really graded out

481
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Speaker 2: well athletically, and Peyton Wilson I mentioned at the end

482
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Speaker 2: of video end of the video saying, Hey, this could

483
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Speaker 2: be the guy if he has a really good workout

484
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Speaker 2: and if again, if the medicals are going to matter

485
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Speaker 2: a lot, but there is there is a possibility here.

486
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Speaker 2: The name I want us all to keep an eye

487
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Speaker 2: on is Cedric Gray from North Carolina six one, two

488
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: thirty four, good length, grade forty, jumped out of the building.

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Speaker 3: Uh, really smart.

490
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Speaker 2: Players well, former offensive player, and you could see that

491
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: there's some some of that to him in the way

492
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: he plays off the ball, just instincts and his first

493
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Speaker 2: step is always in the right direction.

494
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Speaker 3: He always gets on the correct side of the blocker.

495
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Speaker 2: That's something that's always fun to look for when you're

496
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Speaker 2: scouting linebackers. You know, day two prospect all day for

497
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Speaker 2: him and a long time starter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a big fan of his. I thought

499
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Speaker 1: he did good work down at the senior ball and

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Speaker 1: Mobile three. He had a really good week there. John

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Speaker 1: jump the corner here, and I think this is really

506
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Speaker 1: a chef's choice for what you favor and what traits

507
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Speaker 1: are most important to you, Dave, when you try to,

508
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Speaker 1: you know, stack the top four guys. Unfortunately, we did

509
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Speaker 1: not see kol A McKinstry. They discovered he had a

510
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Speaker 1: Jones fracture. They'll have to get that figured out. Nate Wiggins,

511
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Speaker 1: who I still think if for one snap you could

512
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Speaker 1: pick one guy to cover one other guy with no help,

513
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Speaker 1: He's the guy I'm picking to do it rate of

514
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Speaker 1: four to two eight, which is phenomenal. Unfortunately heard his

515
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Speaker 1: hip flexer didn't do anything else. Terry and Arnold, you

516
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Speaker 1: know ran in the four fives. He was fine. His

517
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Speaker 1: workout was good, it was field work was good, and

518
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Speaker 1: his testing was fine. I think if you liked him,

519
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: you're still gonna like him. And boy Quidea Mitchell. You know,

520
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't positive about his speed. Watching his tape Senior

521
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: Bowl was like, all right, this guy's ball skies. You

522
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Speaker 1: can play man and boy. The athleticism got confirmed. If

523
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Speaker 1: you walk out of Indianapolis saying, quiney On Mitchell's your

524
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Speaker 1: top corner, I have trouble arguing with you at this point.

525
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Speaker 1: To be quite honest with you, it's.

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Speaker 2: A strong possibility. Like you said, pick your flavor. What

527
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Speaker 2: kind of corner are you looking for?

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Speaker 3: Cool?

529
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Speaker 2: That's probably gonna determine who your number one corner is

530
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Speaker 2: because they are different from each other.

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Speaker 3: And that's a good thing.

532
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Speaker 2: But Queen On Mitchell, one thing I look for in

533
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Speaker 2: these combine drills, especially when the position drills start. Who

534
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: makes it just looks easy? Look easy?

535
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Speaker 3: That's what I look for. And this comes from experience.

536
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: I don't really have a metric or a number, and

537
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: I know that's where a lot of us kind of

538
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Speaker 2: get wrapped up into the numbers.

539
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Speaker 3: Combine time.

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Speaker 2: Who makes it look easy? Who makes it look natural?

541
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Speaker 2: And Queinnon Mitchell says the all time record at Toledo

542
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Speaker 2: for past breakups, I think he was number two in

543
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Speaker 2: the country this past year, goes to the Senior Bowl,

544
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Speaker 2: tears it up, and now he's going to the Combine

545
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: and proving that he might be the best physical package

546
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Speaker 2: at corner. I mean, that's the trifecta right there. And

547
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: a guy coming from the MAC, you need to show

548
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Speaker 2: that you can play at a high level, dominate against

549
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Speaker 2: the Mac, hang with the Senior Bowl, and then perform

550
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Speaker 2: well at the Scout and Combine one, two, three. He

551
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Speaker 2: lined goes all up and hit a home run on

552
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Speaker 2: all three. So Kunon Mitchell is definitely in the running

553
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Speaker 2: to be the number one corner. A name that I

554
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Speaker 2: love for the Giants in terms of what they need

555
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: within this cornerback group that they do not currently have

556
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Speaker 2: is Mike Sanmstil from Michigan. Former wide receiver, moves to

557
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Speaker 2: corner for a couple of years, ends up.

558
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Speaker 3: In all Americans.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's he's one of the best pure playmakers

560
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: and we can overrate interceptions sometimes, but if you watch

561
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Speaker 2: his tape, if you watch his interception, there's anticipation, there's

562
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: obvious ball skills being a foreign wide receiver, and he

563
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Speaker 2: knows what to do with the ball in his hands too.

564
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Speaker 2: He's a return specialist, and the guy's a dog against

565
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Speaker 2: the run. He will support the run and in nickel defenses,

566
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Speaker 2: which is now the base defense in the NFL. Those Nickels,

567
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: they need to be able to tackle. This is no

568
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: longer hey, we'll pay the other guys to tackle, because

569
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Speaker 2: teams are now exploiting this. They're attacking nickel with the run,

570
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Speaker 2: with the run game, and you need a nickel in

571
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Speaker 2: there that's not afraid and not hesitant. And right now,

572
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Speaker 2: if you're asking me pre free agency, what's one of

573
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Speaker 2: the overlooked holes on.

574
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Speaker 3: The Giants roster? I think it's this spot.

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Speaker 2: And he's a prime candidate to be a really good

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Speaker 2: Day two pick for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was worried about his speed coming into the combine.

578
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Speaker 1: I think he ran with a four to five, four

579
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Speaker 1: to five one something like that, which is slot. That's fine.

580
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Speaker 1: Kicked the box his three cone and his shuttle. We're

581
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: both very good, very good playing the ball. I think

582
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Speaker 1: if you need to slot guy, he's a really good name.

583
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Speaker 1: Before I jump to another guy, Wiggins' frame, how much

584
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: is that going to give teams pause? Because boy, I

585
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: was joking, he's a cartoon character, right, that's two dimensional.

586
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: Be turned sideways, he disappears. That's Nate Wiggins. I mean

587
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: he is a beam pole man. What one seventy three?

588
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Speaker 1: I think he checked in at which means yeah again,

589
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, he drank a lot of water, which means

590
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Speaker 1: he probably played sub one seventy over the course of

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Speaker 1: that year.

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Speaker 2: Last year, Oh, I put money on it. I mean

593
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Speaker 2: that was another thing when I talked to Dan Brugler.

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Speaker 2: That was one thing that we said. It was like,

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Speaker 2: how much is his kicking away? I mean, if he

596
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Speaker 2: didn't have an afro, like you said, he disappear if

597
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: he turned sideways. But you know, it's that's going to

598
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: be a concern with him. Absolutely. I don't want to

599
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: get burned for the second time in a few years

600
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Speaker 2: on that because I put Derek Singley slightly above Sauce

601
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Speaker 2: Gardner for that body type, reasoning that he was just

602
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Speaker 2: a little too thin. I mean, you know, especially at corner.

603
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: You know, corner and quarterback are like two positions you

604
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: just have to kind of really evaluate exclusively. It takes

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00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: longer to evaluate these guys because there's so much detail

606
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Speaker 2: to it. And one thing you need to know in

607
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: a corner like Wiggins, is Kenny run with guys down

608
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: the field and Kenny cover underneath?

609
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: Can he react to? Can he anticipate routes?

610
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: And sometimes having a light frame like that helps you

611
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: in both those regards. So I'm not going to downgrade

612
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: him too much on his body type, but I will say,

613
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: every single time you know a running back Derek Henry

614
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: comes downhill at him and they meet and they collide,

615
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna cross your fingers and pray to guy that

616
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Speaker 2: he gets up.

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Speaker 1: And those corners can't cut the offensive lineman coming out

618
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: there way anymore either, So yep, you're right, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Two other corners real quick. Max Melton from Rutgers I

620
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Speaker 1: got to get love to the Jersey guy man and

621
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Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to him at the

622
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl for a couple of minutes. Really nice kid.

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Speaker 1: His tape's pretty good too. I think he could be

624
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Speaker 1: a Day two pick. And then I think the workout

625
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: really just confirmed it. Four three nine five one split

626
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: jumped out of the building. I thought Max Melton had himself.

627
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: A Day thirty two plus in charms. Two for that

628
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: frame is a big deal, you know. I mean that

629
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Speaker 2: he's gonna play longer and bigger than five eleven eighty

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Speaker 2: seven Uh, he jumped off just like you, John. I

631
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: saw the same thing at the Senior Bowl, just how

632
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: competitive and how twitchy he played, and then he tested

633
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: out such such a at a high level. If you

634
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: look at the rascore on him, he's gonna be top

635
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: one percent ever of all the corners that ever work

636
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: out at the Scout and Combine. So this is a

637
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: kid that just plays a pro style right away. I

638
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: think he can fit into a multiple schemes all right

639
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: and be multiple roles. I do see some inside out

640
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: in him and similar to what we see. I mean,

641
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: that's a big reason why everyone loves Arnold from Alabama

642
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: is that he can truly play the nickel.

643
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: He can play on the outside. I feel the same

644
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: way about Melvin.

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Speaker 1: Two bigger corners where if you're looking for a bigger perimeter,

646
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: guy Kyree Jackson had a really nice day. It's six '

647
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: three almost six four one four, ran a four or five,

648
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: jumped out of the building. And then I thought cam

649
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: Hart familiar Dame had himself a nice little day too.

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00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: I think he almost measured it at six to four

651
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: as well. If you're looking for big corners outside, you

652
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: can't go wrong with either one of those two guys.

653
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, should we just get them to the Sea Hawks? Now?

654
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: Did we have to wait till draft week?

655
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: Well?

656
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: Or or Washington? Right with with dan Quinn there, I

657
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: would I would circle in for that team as well.

658
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know there's another kid that kind of fell

659
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: into that tier. I didn't love his tape as much

660
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: as the two that you mentioned, But Richardson from Mississippi

661
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: State six two eight ran a four to three four

662
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: one four eight ten yards split. I mean those are

663
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: some rare numbers. He's not as polished as a corner

664
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: when it comes to techniques. But you know, coaches, you

665
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: know now that the coaches are getting involved in this

666
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: draft process, they're going to see someone like that for

667
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: the first time. They don't watch as much film yet,

668
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: they'll catch up. They're gonna see a guy like, hey,

669
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: give me him, let me work with that.

670
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: We can make it work, all right, Let's go to safety.

671
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Not a lot of guys did a ton of work here,

672
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: so we can go quick through this. I'll just do

673
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that jumped out of me. Unfortunately

674
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: to pull up on a second forty. But after a

675
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: really good Senior Bowl, I thought Cole Bishop was great again.

676
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: I thought he covered really well down in mobile. His

677
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: workout was great. Four four or five forty almost a

678
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: forty inch vertical over ten foot broad one five six

679
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: forty yard split, ten yard split in the forty. I

680
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: thought he was really good. I thought Calen Bullock he

681
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: just ran. He ran well and he needed to because

682
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: that's his game. And then I was happy with Javon

683
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: Bullard's run too. He ran a sub four or five,

684
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: which I think he needed to do at his smaller size,

685
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: just five ten one ninety eight. But those are three

686
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: guys that I like coming in and they kind of confirmed,

687
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: all right, these guys are what I thought they were.

688
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean on those guys, I mean, Bullock is

689
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: on tape he reminds me and he's like the safety

690
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: version of Nate Wiggins. I was surprised he waited at

691
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: over one eighty and it was he just he was

692
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: just wonder one ninety. I mean, some of that's got

693
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: to be waterweight. He looks thinner than Wiggins on tape,

694
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: but he's got the playmaking ability that you want on

695
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 2: the back end, the anticipation. Him and Cam Kitchens are

696
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: the two guys that you can see when you watch

697
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: the All twenty two on them. They they're moving towards

698
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: the ball before it's thrown. They just had that great

699
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: instinctual feel, great eye, great eye balance.

700
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: Between the receiver and the quarterback.

701
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: Cole Bishop is a guy that on tape you love

702
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: the times you love.

703
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: But he's small.

704
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: You know, he's six He's six two two o six

705
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: and you got to look into the deeper levels. I

706
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: mean twenty nine inch arms and a seventy three in

707
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: swing span. You know, I go into the database of

708
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: measurables that I have. I mean that that almost never

709
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: gets drafted before day three unless there's a standout trade

710
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: to him.

711
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: So you know, could he break that? Absolutely? I'm a

712
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: big fan. He did not run.

713
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: I like Malik Mustafa from Wake Forest five ten two ten.

714
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: He's built like a brick house. He plays like one

715
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: as well when he plays downhill against the run, and uh,

716
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: you know, the safety class in general I think is

717
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: a little underwhelming. The one name I want us to

718
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: keep an eye on is Miles Harden from South dakotas

719
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: UH five eleven one to ninety five. Uh, really good

720
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: in the drills. I think if I evaluate these guys

721
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: in drills. That's why it takes so long to watch

722
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: this thing. Just like checks one, two, three on each

723
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: trail for each player. And he was the one that

724
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: walked out of the drill work with the best grade.

725
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: So just keep an eye on him.

726
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: You know.

727
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: We still probably have some more catching up to do

728
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: on film work for him, but I like what I

729
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: saw out of there, and I think he's gonna Kaylen

730
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: King is a kid from Penn State corner, but I

731
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: think he's gonna move to safety at the next level.

732
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have to have to run

733
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: in a four to six dude.

734
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I kind of like it. I like the fit.

735
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: I like the how some the giants have done this

736
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: with a few different guys, Julian Love being the latest

737
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: one where you know, you take a corner and you

738
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: put him at safety. But really he's a nickel, you know,

739
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: they call them the nickel safety.

740
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 3: Now.

741
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: I think he's someone that could find if he can

742
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: find the right team, right role. He's got playmaking ability

743
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: in him. He just can't cover receivers by himself. That

744
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: that's his biggest red flag.

745
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: And now the one oh guy from this position is

746
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: someone you mentioned, and his tape is good, but how

747
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: hes it? And are you on cam Kinchins now? He

748
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: ran a four to six five and again, hest thing

749
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: at safety is not the most important thing. We don't

750
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: have to religate the Kyle Hamilton thing from two years ago.

751
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: But at just two hundred and three pounds a four

752
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: to six y five one six two to ten yard

753
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: split and he just jumped nine feet, those are not said,

754
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: maybe not historically bad, but if you look at his

755
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: rad score this year, I think it was either the

756
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: lowest or second lowest among the whole safety class. That

757
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: to me is a bit of a red flag.

758
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: It is a red flag.

759
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: And this this is going to be interesting to see

760
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: what happens to him because his tape is fun. You know,

761
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: he makes a lot of plays, He's got great anticipation,

762
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: He's a leader type. He's going to be a glue

763
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: of the defense once he gets there. Coaches will love

764
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: the intangibles. But at some point, like I said earlier,

765
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: it's talent. Do you have enough talent? I mean, if

766
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: you told me that him and teammate James Williams, we're

767
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: going to have the same forty and the same ten

768
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: yard split despite being thirty pounds apart. I would have

769
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: told you there's no shot that's gonna happen. So he's

770
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: a guy that I circled. I highlight my eyes that

771
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: I want to see their pro day. You know, I

772
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: don't put too much credence into the pro day clock,

773
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: but hopefully this is someone that could we can see

774
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: his time come down a little bit because I do

775
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: like the player, but he's been round three, round four

776
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: for me for the past few months, and this could

777
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: actually move him lower than that, just based on, you know,

778
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: some of the measurables that you have to put into

779
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: the equation.

780
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: All right, Dave, let's jump over to offense here. If

781
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: we go along that, I apologize. We wanted to get

782
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: as many of these guys as we can. Pennix. I

783
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: thought he threw the ball really well, tight spiral, was accurate,

784
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: which is not surprising when he's unbothered in the pockets.

785
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: He's pretty good with this sort of stuff. I thought

786
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: bo Nicks was fine, Like you know, he doesn't have

787
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: the biggest arm, but I thought his arm looked like

788
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: what it did on tape. To me. I thought he

789
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: was pretty accurate. He did a nice job. And Jaj

790
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: McCarthy also looked like the same guy. So on tape

791
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: he missed on some of those deep balls down the field,

792
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: something that he wasn't the best at on tape in

793
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: Michigan either, But boy, those in cuts, even the deep outs,

794
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: he put the ball on the line. They were on time.

795
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: Those little corner fades that they had towards the end,

796
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: the little you know, flag routes, I thought he threw

797
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: those really well. So I thought both all three of them,

798
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: those guys did a pretty nice job.

799
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been an interesting top of the quarterback discussion

800
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: for since the beginning of the process, and we start

801
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: talking about these guys in August and September in depth

802
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: and it's just a it's just the one where that

803
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: keeps popping up.

804
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 3: Is just a very interesting group to talk about.

805
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: You could even throw the three guys in that didn't

806
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: work out and Caleb Jaden and Drake May it's just,

807
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking at my grades right now on

808
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 2: my screen.

809
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: They're all within one or two points of each other.

810
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: You know. It's just it's going to be fun to

811
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: see and it's all gonna come down to interviews with

812
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: where these guys come off the board. You know, are

813
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: the teams feel safe with these guys as their chemistry?

814
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: Do they trust the intelligence and leadership qualities? Which that's

815
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: not what the combine's for necessarily. The biggest surprise of

816
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: the group for me was McCarthy weighing in at two nineteen.

817
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: Didn't you think you'd be lighter than that?

818
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, I did so.

819
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: I think the question with him and Jayden Daniels is

820
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: pretty similar and that can that can their bodies hold up?

821
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: You know?

822
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: And I am I am discouraged. I'll put it nicely

823
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: that he did not weigh in. That that's a red.

824
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: Flag, douge red flag.

825
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: You know, what are you hiding? You know, Bryce Young

826
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: wade in You know.

827
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: The last time a player didn't weigh in at the combine,

828
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't remember it.

829
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that because Kyler Murray,

830
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: did you know, remember is Kyler Murray six feet or

831
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: Kenny Pikett's hands nine inches?

832
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: All this stuff they show up and they do it,

833
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: you know.

834
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: And it's uh, you know that that's a bigger red

835
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: flag to me than anything that is being said about

836
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams and the entthroge and the medicals.

837
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: I mean that stuff doesn't bother me as much as

838
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: it bothers others.

839
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, my understanding is that Kayle Williams

840
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: was there till Saturday night. He stuck around for the workouts.

841
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: Interviews apparently went pretty well, I think, aside from like

842
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: the agent stuff and all that other stuff, my understand

843
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: is that he came off pretty well over the weekend.

844
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: To be honest with you.

845
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Jaden and Elik neighbors.

846
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean, someone's in their ears saying that that was

847
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: a good idea, But I just don't agree, you know,

848
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: because that is the question with Jayden is what do

849
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: you weigh because that's going to cross cross him off

850
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: some boards if it's below one ninety five. You just

851
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: don't see quarterbacks that size playing the NFL. You just don't,

852
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: you know, especially guys that are going to be running

853
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: with the ball and taking big hits. So you know,

854
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: you know, the to close that up, I mean, I

855
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: really like I love Penix, I really do. I can't

856
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: put a first round grade on him, but I love

857
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: the fact that he's seen to me, seems like the

858
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: guy that's been through the most adversity of all these quarterbacks,

859
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: and that often is the question, right, how does a

860
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: quarterback respond to adversity. That's a huge deal once you

861
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: get to the league, and he's proven it in multiple

862
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: ways that he can be that guy that can lead

863
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: a room, lead a team to victory, and fight through

864
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: adversity and come out on the other side stronger and

865
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: better than ever.

866
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: I thought he had the best armed, best throwing motion there.

867
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have been Nixon that category two. Everything

868
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: he went through at Auburn, those two guys, you can

869
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: certainly check the box with those two. I'm with you

870
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. As long as the medicals on penis

871
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: are good, which would be big for a lot of

872
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: these teams, I'm with you. I have more of a

873
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: day two pack great on him than than the Day one.

874
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: I think his ball location can sometimes be a little

875
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: inconsistent on some things, but good player. You know, if

876
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: you know some of the Giants wind up with him

877
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: around two. I would have absolutely zero problem with that

878
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884
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: back Dave until round three in this year's draft. I

885
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you. I was really impressed. I

886
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: thought these guys worked out really well. You know, I

887
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: didn't know. I haven't watched him on tape. I need

888
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: to do it. Isaac Garrendo wouldn't have known him from

889
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: a you know, a hole in the wall, you know,

890
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: two twenty ran a four to three three. Okay, I'm in.

891
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm good under seven second three cone. Where do I

892
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: sign up? Like, I'll watch them. I don't know how

893
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: much you watched them. What your thoughts on him are

894
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: before we move on to the rest of the group.

895
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Grendo, he had one of the best

896
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: five workouts we've ever seen. And again we don't want

897
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: to get overreactionary, but he was a guy that once

898
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: he got invited to that East West Shrine, I was like, hey,

899
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: we've got to give this guy a look, because no

900
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: matter what, whoever gets invited to those games, you got

901
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: to watch tape on it right up, and he had

902
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: that juice. The jew shows up on tape. I don't

903
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: think he has the best feel, which is a big

904
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: deal with the running backs, you know, Like, I don't

905
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: think he's gonna play to that speed, but he'll play

906
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: at worse for five type speed. And he's got the size.

907
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: We're not talking about one hundred and eighty pounder that

908
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: ran a four to three. He's got two hundred and

909
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: twenty pounds on that frame. But I'll tell you what

910
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: Giants fans. I mean, I don't know what they're gonna

911
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: do with Saquon Barkley, but if they part ways because

912
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: of finances and Barkley, you know, scigned Deltware and free agency,

913
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: this position group is a big deal Draft weekend and

914
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: the name I like the most. I had him as

915
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: my number one back coming into the season. He's still sitting.

916
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: There right now.

917
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone else does, but I am

918
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: a huge Trey Benson guy. He has over six yards

919
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: per carry at Florida State. He broke tackles at a

920
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 2: record rate in twenty twenty two, four hundred and twenty

921
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: seven touches, not one fumble.

922
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: He hit over twenty one miles.

923
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: Per hour, which is a metric that more and more

924
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: teams are using as opposed to these forty times. And

925
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: that was the most among the running backs in the

926
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: country in twenty twenty three. And we're talking about a

927
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty pounds back. You know, the guy

928
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: goes out and runs a four to three nine sorry

929
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: at two sixteen, you know. And Jeremiah made this comparison,

930
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: and I went back and looked at some of the

931
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: numbers Brisol that that is what Bristol is SIA speed

932
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: and production. So that's a name that I would I

933
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: loved that he did well at the combine. But no

934
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: matter what, whether it's him Bucky Irving, a guy that

935
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: can catch the ball out of the backfield, Tyrone Tracy

936
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: is a Day three name to keep an eye on.

937
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: He was a wide receiver his entire career until twenty

938
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: twenty three, and he balled out and you know he's

939
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: going to be a passing factor.

940
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: So if that's what the Giants.

941
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: Need out of the backfield to replace Seguon Barkley, that's

942
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: a name to keep an eye on.

943
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: Did jal and right ran Well? I like Marshaun Lloyd

944
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty pounds. You want bigger backs. He

945
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: ran a four to four six. He was he was

946
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: the best running back in Mobile for the Senior Bowl.

947
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: That's a guy.

948
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: You know.

949
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: I was really worried about Blake Korm's forty time. I

950
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: thought we might be looking at four six's dude, four

951
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: five three? Where do I saw? That's a good number

952
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: for him with and his agility number six a two

953
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: to three cone, four one two short shuttle. I think

954
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: he's definitely gonna be a Round three pick now. He's

955
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a good back in the league. And even

956
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: like Ray Davis and Isaiah Davis, their numbers don't jump

957
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: off the page, but for backs of their size, that's

958
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: more than good enough. I think they have a chance

959
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: to be. You know, I think Isaiah's probably more of

960
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: a Day three guy. Ray could be a Round three guy.

961
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: So I think you have a bunch of guys that

962
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: maybe they're not twenty carry a game guys here, Dave,

963
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: you have guys that can play roles in an NFL

964
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: offense pretty quickly.

965
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

966
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: Another name I'm confused by when it comes to the

967
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: forty is Audric Esime from Notre Dame. This guy runs,

968
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: not comparing him to Ezekiel Elliott, but running style. He

969
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: has that to him. He can be quick, he can

970
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: be fast, but he will run you over if you

971
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: don't square him up. He ran a four to seven

972
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: to one. You immediately think, oh big power back between

973
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: the tackles. Only a watch the tape. The dude can move.

974
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: He ran away from guys multiple times over the past year.

975
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: But he jumped thirty eight inches third best. He jumped

976
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: broad jumped ten foot five inches third best.

977
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: The forty did not match the rest of the testing.

978
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: It was very odd.

979
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: The ten yards split was the same as guys that

980
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: ran in the low four five. So I wonder if

981
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: he just let up a little too early. You know,

982
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: sometimes there's a skill to running the forty. That's why

983
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: these guys practice it for two months. I wonder if

984
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: something mechanically went wrong with him in his forty. I

985
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: went back and watched it again. I couldn't find anything,

986
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: But that's a name. If that forty does push him

987
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: into the fourth fifth, sixth round value pick all day.

988
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: I love Bucky Irving's tape to five two at four

989
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: five five. Tough number is tough number.

990
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be. There's a running back JJ Taylor

991
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 2: from Arizona that New England took a few years ago.

992
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 3: I love this tape.

993
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be the next Deon

994
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: Lewis James White type for them. It never really worked

995
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: out because he's just that talent. It just wasn't enough,

996
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: you know. But Bucky Irving is he was one of

997
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: my favorite football players to watch take everything out out,

998
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: all things considered, I do wish he worked out a

999
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: little bit better. But his value is going to be

1000
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: third down back, you know, a passing game weapon. Maybe

1001
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: not in Azach a traditional running back. He's not gonna

1002
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: be able to block, but I do think he'd give

1003
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: you a weapon, and you just have to, you know,

1004
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: properly gauge where in the drafts he should go for

1005
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: you to use someone that's going to be kind of

1006
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: more of like I hate to use the word gadget,

1007
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: but that is what He's.

1008
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: Going to be. A gadget player at the next level.

1009
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 3: What kind of value do place on that?

1010
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder about his pass protection in some of

1011
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: those third down situations. You're gonna have to use him

1012
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: in a pretty specific way, all right, let's jump over

1013
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: to tight ends here. Dave THEO Johnson Penn Day knows

1014
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: how to train out workout warriors, and boy they turned

1015
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: that another one of THEO Johnson four five eight forty

1016
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: at two hundred and fifty nine pounds and six foot six.

1017
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: I watch him at the Senior bow. I thought he

1018
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: looked fine. I didn't think he looked like that, to

1019
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: be honest with you, but good for you. Ben Sanana

1020
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: another guy I really liked. I thought he had a

1021
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: good day working out. He could do a little bit

1022
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: of everything. And then I thought Katee Stover kind of

1023
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: matched exactly what you thought he was on tape. Anybody

1024
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: for you really jump out at you a tight end.

1025
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: I mean, THEO was the guy you know at the

1026
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: Senior but we did see that according to Zebra Technologies,

1027
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: he did run. He was the highest mile per hour

1028
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: tight end there. He was up there with some of

1029
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: the receivers as well.

1030
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: But you know this this.

1031
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: Tight end group overall, you know the guy that I

1032
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 2: like the most. If I'm going to take a chance

1033
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: on someone and for the giants, you know, you tell

1034
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, it's probably gonna be a Day

1035
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: three pick. If they use a draft pick on one

1036
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: of these guys as Jared Wiley from TCU UH sixty

1037
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: six again two forty nine runs a four to six

1038
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: two one point two six, sorry, one point six to

1039
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 2: two split thirty seven inch vertical and I saw these traits.

1040
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to come out last year.

1041
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: So I remember watching him a lot in the fall

1042
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two and I was like, dude, this

1043
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: is a former quarterback that is still learning the position.

1044
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to get a ton of

1045
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: help from him in the trenches. And that it's debatable

1046
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: if the Giants should bring in another tight end that

1047
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: can't really hold it hold up one of attack. But

1048
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: if you're looking for an interesting past game weapon that

1049
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: is going to pay out larger than where you would

1050
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: think a fourth or fifth round pick would, Jared Wiley

1051
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: kind of checked that last box that I needed to

1052
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: check for me to consider him one of those top

1053
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: sleepers in the draft.

1054
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: Good receiving weapon on tape. But did Jatavian Sanders really

1055
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: hurt himself running a four seven at two forty five?

1056
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: I think so.

1057
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: You know, I've been talking about him for a long time.

1058
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: I had him as tight end two coming into the year,

1059
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, there's not much of a difference

1060
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: between him and Rock Bowers. Now I'm gonna have to

1061
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: walk that back and say that the you know, you

1062
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: could put a walmart between the two. Uh in terms

1063
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: of how much of a gap there is between you know,

1064
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: similar sized players and similar style players.

1065
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 3: But Bowers does everything better than Sanders. I still liked him.

1066
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be closer to round four, round five

1067
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: than he was round two, round three. Unfortunate. I don't

1068
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: think he was on the practice field that I know

1069
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: he was there. I think he was nursing an injury.

1070
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 3: Correct. But you know, the one thing about him, he's

1071
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 3: still raw when I watch him, but he does block.

1072
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: He's a former.

1073
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: When he got to Texas, they didn't know what to

1074
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: do with him, keeping at defensive ent or a tight end.

1075
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: He was recruited as both in high school and he

1076
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: was a beast, like just a violent player, and it

1077
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: shows up he's not just a receiving tight end that's

1078
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: afraid of contact.

1079
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: So there's the mentality in there. And he did produce.

1080
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: He was a great tackle breaker in with the ball

1081
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: into his hands, great after the catch. He was one

1082
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: of the best tight ends in the nation after the

1083
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: catch over the past two years. There's something there with him.

1084
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: But again, if you're going to be a big factor,

1085
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: I think you need to be a little bit better

1086
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: of an athlete. So again, he's another guy I circled

1087
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: to wait and see what he did at the pro day.

1088
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not ready because I don't think he trained

1089
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: as much as some of these other guys did over

1090
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: the past month or two.

1091
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 5: You love turf, you're good at it, so you start

1092
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: a turf biz business grows, your savings grow, become the

1093
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 5: most celebrated name in sure, are you ready for all

1094
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 5: that life brings?

1095
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna save wide receiver for a last

1096
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: because that's the big sexy workout position. But let's go

1097
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: to the big sexies that did work out on Sunday.

1098
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: The offensive lineman here. You know what, And I think

1099
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: this is a really good class, and I think we

1100
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: saw it on tape dave Let's store at the interior

1101
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: guys first, a couple guys that I got excited about.

1102
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: And these aren't the big names, but his guys that

1103
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: I was impressed by and I loved him that in Frisco.

1104
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: I thought Mason McCormick had a really good day. Just

1105
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. His tape's awesome. I worried about

1106
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: his row athleticism, Well, it checked out good enough to play,

1107
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: and I think he could be a sneaky early starter

1108
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: in his NFL career with a lot of experience playing

1109
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: football at South Dakota State. I don't know about the power,

1110
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: but holy Cross CJ. Hansen. I thought he moved really,

1111
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: really well in field workouts. Again, just three hundred pounds

1112
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: six y five. He's gonna have to get bigger, but

1113
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: I thought he moved well. I liked him at the

1114
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Tanner Bartolini out of Wisconsin. I thought he

1115
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: was more of a blue collar guy, but boy, his

1116
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: workout was phenomenal. He showed some really good row athleticism.

1117
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 2: Set a record, you know, for all centers all time.

1118
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: He the best all time three cone of all centers

1119
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: at the draft. Sorry at the combine beat Jason Kelce

1120
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 2: that that record has been.

1121
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: There for a long time.

1122
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: And I remember I got there early for practice every

1123
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: day in Mobile and just watch these guys who got

1124
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: out there early who didn't. He was the one guy

1125
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: every single day was out there before everyone else, just

1126
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: playing against air, working on techniques, snapping the ball guard.

1127
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: He's got guard center versatility, which I know teams are

1128
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: gonna love. And he's a much better athlete than I

1129
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: think some are giving credit for coming from the Big Ten,

1130
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: coming from Wisconsin, he immediately put that that road grader.

1131
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: Style on him. But he bends well.

1132
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: He does lack length, so I think that he has

1133
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: the stereotypical prototype center body and I'm okay with that.

1134
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: And he's the kind of.

1135
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: Guy that I love to bring in and if injuries

1136
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: start to pop up, kind of similar to what the

1137
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: Giants were able to do with Ben Brettison, you know,

1138
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: injuries start popping up, you can, you know, move him

1139
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: between spots and interchangeable.

1140
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: That's that's the value that Bordali and he will bring

1141
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: to the table.

1142
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: Agreed a couple of guys. I just have him to like,

1143
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: and I liked him in Mobile too. I thought Charles

1144
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: Turner moved really well over the course of his on

1145
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: field workouts, and then I thought, you know, Christian Haynes

1146
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: was fine, Dominic Pooney was fine. I always forty Time

1147
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: wasn't very good. I really don't care about that. I

1148
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: thought he was fine, and then I like Isaya Adams

1149
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: out of Illinois. Still, I know his workout wasn't the best,

1150
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: but I think as an interior guard, you know, early

1151
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: day three type of pick, I think all those guys

1152
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: you know, came out okay, and then Brandon Coleman worked

1153
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: his butt off. He did both guard and tackle at

1154
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: the Senior ball and I thought he you know, his

1155
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: his overall number, size, athleticism were just off the charts.

1156
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are all good names. I think.

1157
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: You know, all the Michigan bodies there. You know, you

1158
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: had Barnhart, Keegan Nugent. You know, those guys are all

1159
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: just like that Day three tier. You know they're going

1160
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: to come in and with what the giants I've had

1161
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: issues with over the past year, it's not the starters

1162
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: that the backups weren't able to really come in and

1163
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: play at a high level. So I think these are

1164
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: the guys that you look at Day three and said,

1165
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: they might not be the sexiest picks in the world,

1166
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: but they're the guys that can help study the ship

1167
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: when things start going to rye in midyear, when the

1168
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: injuries pop up, the name that I'm going to keep

1169
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: an eye on is Leiden Robinson from Texas A and

1170
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: m uh six three three h two some of the

1171
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: best length and with you're going to see if all

1172
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: the players really comfortable.

1173
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: For the inside guys.

1174
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: But he competed really well at mobile and I thought

1175
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: when the position drills, the ratings that I gave for

1176
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: these guys in position drills, he was top three in

1177
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: all of them.

1178
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: So I like what I see out of him.

1179
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: He was a guy that could have come out last

1180
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: year as well, but he decided to go back to school.

1181
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: He's got some bad tape, you know, just some really

1182
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: ugly losses, but to me, they look mechanical more than physical,

1183
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: and just looking at the tools, the measurements and what

1184
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: he did in drills, I think if the right coach

1185
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: gets their hands on him, he's going to be a

1186
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: starting caliber guy.

1187
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. All right, let's go

1188
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: to offensive tackle here. And I've been trying to push

1189
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: this guy a little bit since the Senior Bowl, and

1190
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: I think he's getting unfairly killed for the frankly, really

1191
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: bad game he had against Michigan. I like Roger Rosengarden.

1192
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: I think He's better than what people give him credit for.

1193
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: He can move, he's six ' five, he's three oh

1194
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: eight thirty three and a half inch arms or long

1195
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: enough to play offensive tackle. He ran really well, he's

1196
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: got a good punch, he's physical. I would be well,

1197
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not. I'm on the ledge on this.

1198
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to take him at the end of

1199
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: the third round. I think he's a good enough player

1200
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: to be picked. There a lot of people down in him.

1201
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: I know, I thought he had a really good workout.

1202
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm right there with you, and look at

1203
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: my Grady's ND I have third fourth round grade on him.

1204
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: So and then that's not even considering I haven't thrown

1205
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: positional value into the grade yet. Tackle gets an extra

1206
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: point for me because of the value they bring to

1207
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: the table. So absolutely, third round pick because of the

1208
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: depth of this offensive tackle class. This the depth of

1209
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 2: the offensive line. I mean, I've never had this many

1210
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: first round grades on offensive linemen.

1211
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: You know, when you're.

1212
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: Matching everyone together, and because of that, you're gonna see

1213
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: guys fall. And I do think Rosengarden's going to get

1214
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: overlooked a little bit by some. But this is a

1215
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: guy that I think the NFL will like more than

1216
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: media and fans because of the techniques, and the dude

1217
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: just doesn't lose. I mean, it doesn't always look flashy,

1218
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: doesn't look great. He played across from Troy Futanu, who

1219
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: to me is the third or fourth best lineman in

1220
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: this class. If you're gonna come, if you're gonna throw

1221
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: in the versatility factor, and because of that, you know,

1222
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: you might overlook this kid. But he's Washington has been

1223
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: putting out some quality linemen and I have some Caleb

1224
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: Gary feel to him when I watch his game, you know,

1225
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: not the ideal, not the ideal measurables, but the guy

1226
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: that he gets the job done. He obviously tested out

1227
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: to be one of the best athletes at the position

1228
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: at the scout and combine, And again it's it's what

1229
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: are you really looking for when you're watching offensive line play?

1230
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: The basic is don't get beat and that's what we

1231
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: see out of his game all day.

1232
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: You mentioned his teammate Fatanu, and I've been saying to

1233
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: myself all draft process, why did everybody want to move

1234
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: this guy to guard? And I'm like, all right, let

1235
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: me wait for the measurements. Maybe he's gonna check him

1236
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: with like thirty two inch arms or his athletic testing

1237
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be bad. Well, No, thirty four to a half,

1238
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: bitch arms at six four three seventeen over thirty on

1239
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: the vert, nine and a half on the broad, five

1240
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: oh one forty one seven ten yards split. This guy

1241
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: checks every box. He's a tackle. He was a great

1242
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: tackle on tape. His measurements scream offensive tackle. Stop talking

1243
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: about him as a guard tackle.

1244
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and I'm gonna have to admit something

1245
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: to you that you know. Part of the scouting process

1246
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: that I'm being taught from Dan Shanka is go back

1247
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: it self, scout and learn where you made mistakes.

1248
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 3: What like these guys that you miss on? Why was it?

1249
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: Stop making the same mistakes and Rayshawn's later a few

1250
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: years ago, I said, hey, I think he could be

1251
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: a good tackle, but an All Pro guard in the

1252
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: Zach Martin form, and Chargers take him and he ends

1253
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: up being an All Pro, but at left tackle in

1254
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: year one and throughout the year, I kept on saying

1255
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: Fortano inside, fatano inside.

1256
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: Just base. He looks like one.

1257
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: But that's not a good enough reason. So I'm trying

1258
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: to catch myself now and said, don't make this mistake again.

1259
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: So I do have him on my guard grade sheet

1260
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: and my tackle grade sheet, and the grades are similar

1261
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: enough to say, hey, whoever gets drafted by will dictate

1262
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: where he plays.

1263
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: Let's say the Giants. This won't happen at six. Don't

1264
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: worry everybody.

1265
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: But let's say the Giants take him at six. Right,

1266
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: you're not putting him at left tackle. I don't even

1267
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: think they'd put him at right tackle right away. But

1268
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: what I've been saying about him, I thought for a

1269
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: while the Giants would be able to get him in

1270
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: round two. This guy is going to be a first

1271
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: round pick. So who knows what the Giants are going

1272
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: to do, trade down, trade up, But you know, if

1273
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: they find themselves somewhere mid to late first round somehow,

1274
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: then yeah, maybe I think he's in play, And that

1275
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: would be an interesting situation. What I like the Giants

1276
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: looking at someone that is a tackle that you can

1277
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: move inside while you give Evan Neil one more shot

1278
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: at right tackle, and if it doesn't work, you have

1279
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: your plan d right there. That's the only situation where

1280
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: I would see Futano playing on the inside. So if

1281
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: he got drafted by a team that already had tackles,

1282
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: but if you don't have a tackle and you're looking

1283
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 2: for one, he's probably the best combination of athlete.

1284
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 3: And power of all these guys.

1285
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: And you know, Joe Alt's got a little bit more

1286
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: size than him, probably a little bit more upside than him.

1287
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: But you watch Watano play, He's going to add personality

1288
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: to an offensive line right away, and he's going to

1289
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: be able to hang. He's just not as polished as

1290
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 2: the guys at the top of the tackle group.

1291
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if he's going to get there.

1292
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan's one of those guys that I think can

1293
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: be that swing guy. I don't know if he's getting

1294
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: to the top of the second round. He might not.

1295
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: He's really good. But that's another guy I think I

1296
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: put in that group just a couple of box checkers.

1297
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: I think ty lastif Wanga checked all the boxes you want.

1298
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: Tyler Geian checked all his boxes until he got hurt.

1299
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: Ohlu fashion U checked all the boxes Morgan did all

1300
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: was good too. I thought Sue Mattia was awesome from Byu.

1301
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: I think he might sneak into the first round. That

1302
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: could be like the eighth guy, it's crazy, and then

1303
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: the one guy I want to highlight, and then you

1304
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: get hit on whoever you want. Amarius Mims my god,

1305
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: six eight three forty thirty six and an eighth inch arms.

1306
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: My lord sir ran a five oh seven and he

1307
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: jumped pretty well to his I did they've been in

1308
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: as a twenty five inch vertical jump. I think that's

1309
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: wrong and they got to get that fixed. But boy,

1310
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned Fatano. Keep him away from the

1311
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and the Eagles. Keep a Marius Mims away

1312
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys and the Eagles too. Please. That guy's

1313
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: if he can stay healthy and he hurt himself again

1314
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: in the drills in the forty, he is going to

1315
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: be an absolute monster.

1316
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1317
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: I mean the question with him is just lack of experience.

1318
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: But at some point, at a position like tackle, you

1319
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: take a chance on this kid, John. I think there's

1320
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 2: a shot he goes top ten. I really do, because

1321
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: you don't see this profile come across often. And it's

1322
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: not just a profile. His tape is quality. I mean,

1323
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: he is a guy that makes it look easy. Sometimes

1324
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: reminds me of like a Dwan Jones type situation. When

1325
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: I talk about this from last year, Ohio State gets

1326
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: drafted by Cleveland, steps in for Jack Conklin week one,

1327
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: and you know, plays his butt off. I mean he

1328
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: made the r Lads All Rookie Team. Dwan Jones as

1329
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: a fourth rounder. Men's is a much better player. But

1330
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: what Dwan Jones does at a very high level that

1331
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: Men's already does as well minus the experience, is he

1332
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: knows how to play his size.

1333
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: He doesn't over extent, he doesn't panic if he loses initially,

1334
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: simply because this dude is so hard to get around.

1335
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: A heavy hands and length and that wingspan with those

1336
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: that the footwork, his hands they're eleven they're over eleven inches.

1337
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: I mean everything about him is just big. And it's

1338
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: good way too. I mean you looked at the video

1339
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: that pictures of him. That guy doesn't have a bad

1340
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: pound on his body. So you know this is this

1341
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: is the kind of guy that I feel like every

1342
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: offensive line coach it's the it's their dreams. At some

1343
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: point come across someone like this, a black a blank

1344
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: canvas and say, hey, can I develop this guy? And

1345
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: if you get him to his ceiling, I texted someone

1346
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: about this yesterday. If if he gets to eighty five

1347
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: percent of his ceiling, he's a pro bowler. You know,

1348
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: if you get into a ceiling, you're talking all pro.

1349
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: Now, I'm with you, one of the guy that I like.

1350
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: Here's what you think, Aman, what do you think of

1351
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: Christian Jones out of Texas? I thought he did a

1352
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: nice job at the Senior Bowl. What do you think

1353
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: about how he worked at the Combine? And your general

1354
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: great on him over the course of the year.

1355
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: Shocked by the forty five oh four. I do think

1356
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: he plays heavier than three h five.

1357
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: The measurement I had on him coming to the year,

1358
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: I think it was three twenty five, so he probably

1359
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: lost some weight for the combine. I'll be curious to

1360
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: see what he weighs in at his pro day. But

1361
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: the issue with him is change, a direction, reaction, anticipation,

1362
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: and you see some of that in the Jody drills.

1363
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: He ran an an eight h nine shut a three

1364
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: cone and a four to seven eight three cone.

1365
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. A little stiff, right, He's a little stiff.

1366
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: Very stiff, and just gets a little too top heavy.

1367
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: But I mean his profile is great, great length. I

1368
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: think he's the kind of guy what the Giants we're

1369
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: hoping to get out of Matt pert Is.

1370
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: You draft him round three, round four, you give me

1371
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: a swing tackle.

1372
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he develops into a starter, but just don't enter

1373
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: the process saying this is going to be a starting

1374
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: tackle for us at some point.

1375
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: And I think that's where you peg him draft uh

1376
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: grade wise.

1377
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, let's go to the wide

1378
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: receivers here and then we'll do two like generic questions

1379
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: and we'll get you out here. Xavier Worthy's forty was great,

1380
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: four to two one. I'm more impressed by eighty Mitchell,

1381
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas and devontees Walker, who were thirty and forty

1382
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: pounds heavier than Worthy is and they ran in the

1383
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: dam mid four threes.

1384
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, Worthy's going to steal the headline

1385
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: because of the hoopla. I mean even my wife and

1386
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: three year old son were staring at the screen when

1387
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: you rant's four to two one, you know, just because

1388
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: it's cool, right, you know, when's the last The only

1389
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: reason we talked about John Ross right now still is

1390
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: because of that forty.

1391
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 3: So Worthy's name will be talked about for the.

1392
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: Years to come. But that was not the most impressive forty.

1393
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: It was Brian Thomas. Brugler put out a tweet saying,

1394
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: I think three times since in the past fifteen years

1395
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 2: have we seen a wide receiver above two oh seven

1396
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: run a four to three to three or better. And

1397
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's almost like Thomas gets, you know, put

1398
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: in the shadow of Xavier Worthies forty, just like Brian

1399
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: Thomas got put in the shadow of Leak Neighbors and

1400
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels at LSU. The guy had a monster season.

1401
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: He had seventeen touchdowns last year. Brian Thomas, and his

1402
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: tape is impressive too, and he's still kind of raw,

1403
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: He's still relatively new to the game itself in the

1404
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: wide receiver position. So Brian Thomas, I will stay with

1405
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: wide receivers I had. So this is such a crowded,

1406
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: jam packed wide receiver group in the top fifteen. Really

1407
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: that his workout. I put him in front of a

1408
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: few guys because of the workout. He's my wide receiver

1409
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: four now.

1410
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: Interesting, and I think, to me, I think wide receiver

1411
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: four and five in this class or Adie Mitchell and

1412
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, those are my two guys to have that

1413
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: type of speed size, and those guys aren't linear players either,

1414
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: like they can move side the side, they can get

1415
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: in that out of their routes they have true and look,

1416
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: they're not there yet because I think both guys are

1417
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: all we sort on the field workouts of Mitchell, He's

1418
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: got some work to do with some stuff, but they're

1419
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: just ability to change direction and move the way they

1420
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: do with their size is unique that you just don't

1421
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: see that very often.

1422
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to gamble on traits like that at

1423
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: some point, and in relations to the Giants, that's kind

1424
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: of in my opinion, pre free.

1425
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 3: Agency, that's what they need.

1426
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: They need a big, physical guy that can go win

1427
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: the contested situation to help offset the speed of Jalen

1428
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: Hyatt and the shiftiness and underneath playmaking of want Dale

1429
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: Robinson and the dependability of a Darius Slayton. Is if

1430
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: you can get a young wide receiver with size that

1431
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: can win contested situations with a T.

1432
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: Higgins type up side, that's the.

1433
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: Name that kept coming up when I watched Brian Thomas

1434
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: and even some of Keon Colemanol. Though he didn't test

1435
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: that well on the forty, he did test very well

1436
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: speed wise in the drills. He was reaching speeds that

1437
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: nobody else did down there. So there's a lot of

1438
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: size at the wide receiver position class. And you can

1439
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: wait till round two because I do think one of

1440
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: these guys will fall.

1441
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: And the guys that don't have size, but I thought

1442
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: did really well. Dave, you know, and you can put

1443
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: all these guys in the same bucket, I guess though

1444
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: Ricky Piersall is a little bit taller than the other two.

1445
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: Piersall I thought was very good, and that's coming off.

1446
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: I think it was only one or two dominant days

1447
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: of practice. I think it was one thing he left

1448
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: after one day down at the Senior Ball and Mobile

1449
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: when he just killed everybody. He was great. Lad McConkie

1450
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: broke four to four, which is huge for him. Awesome

1451
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: day for him. And the Roman Wilson was super fast

1452
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: four for one and he was good in all the drills.

1453
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: So those three guys you're looking for more of an

1454
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: inside outside combo player. I think all three of those

1455
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: guys did really well for themselves.

1456
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 3: Can't go wrong.

1457
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: I mean a conky running a sub four four was

1458
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: one of my one of my like whoa moments.

1459
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 3: So get from the wide receiver.

1460
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: He's he's an interesting guy. I put some numbers into

1461
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: the system. Who does he compared to beyond arm length

1462
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: and hand size. He's Garrett Wilson, That's who that is.

1463
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 2: That like when you're talking about height, weight, speed, change

1464
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: of direction, route running, prowess and how he did in

1465
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: the drills. I mean, you just watch these guys run drills,

1466
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: and this is why I love the combine. You're seeing everyone,

1467
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: same environment, same playing field, and you can really get

1468
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: a good like comparison to these guys. And he was

1469
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: by far the snappiest route runner of them all. Just

1470
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: so sure, and he's going to be able to separate

1471
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: no matter who's whoever's playing quarterback for the Giants next year.

1472
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: You want some of these these these guys need to separate.

1473
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: And that's what McConkey does at higher level than everyone.

1474
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: All of them other.

1475
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: Guys I thought did well for themselves. I thought Jalen

1476
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: McMillan was good. I thought Jalen Polk was good. Burden,

1477
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: I thought from Alabama did a nice job. Tony Franklin

1478
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: I needed to He's to check his cleats. He was

1479
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: slipping and slide enduring the drills. I don't know why

1480
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: he was on the ground the whole time, but that

1481
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: does not show up on tape either. Dave, You're Laget

1482
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: did well by himself. How much does the Colvin forty

1483
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: time worry You mentioned his speed was good in the

1484
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: position of driel, so maybe it doesn't. Sorry, who was

1485
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: that he on Colvin?

1486
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't bother me because of the basketball background.

1487
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: You know, these basketball players, I call them long striders

1488
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: right where they're not always the most explosive from the

1489
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 2: get off, but once they get going, they if they

1490
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: get over the top, they'll stay over the top. And

1491
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: you see that on Key on Coleman's tape. You know,

1492
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: I had a late first ground on late first early

1493
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: second round greade on him coming to the process, and

1494
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: nothing about the combine change that. He's a contested catch guy.

1495
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: He's a big, physical, try hard dude, and I still

1496
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: think he's earlier on the progression curve than some of

1497
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: these other guys, meaning there's more to get for him

1498
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: than some of these other guys. So, but I was

1499
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: somewhat alarmed by the forty, and then I erased the

1500
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: alarm by how fast he ran in the drills.

1501
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 3: So again similar to estimate from Notre.

1502
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: Dame, can't put too much into the forty It is

1503
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: a part of the process, I will I would be

1504
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: lying if I said it wasn't. But the fact that

1505
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: he made up some of that ground in the drills

1506
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: was a big deal to me.

1507
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: The other oh guy I have in this group, and

1508
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: maybe it's more of a question mark than an uh

1509
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: oh Isaiah Williams out of Illinois. He had the slowest

1510
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: forty time. He ran the four sixes, but you look

1511
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: at his three cone it was one of the best

1512
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: of the group, I believe. Was it a short shot

1513
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: one of the other one of his one of his agility.

1514
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: Jose was top three or four in the group. His

1515
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: jumps were right in the middle of the pack. They

1516
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: were okay. So how much of a red flag is

1517
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: that forty time? Because I do think he's a good receiver.

1518
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: I talked to him in Frisco at the Shrine game,

1519
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: and boy, he's a former quarterback. He gets how to

1520
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: play the position. He's a really smart player. How much

1521
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: is that forty time, you know, Scario, or do the

1522
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: other parts of the workout make you nuts? Is worried

1523
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: about it.

1524
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: Nothing moved on the stack for me. I had him

1525
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: as a late round pick, six, six or seventh round pick.

1526
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: That's going to be a very you know, one dimensional slot.

1527
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: Get open underneath, make some things happen after the CATJ

1528
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: Gadget return specialist type. There's a lot of good slot

1529
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: receivers in this class that he's gonna fall. He's going

1530
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: to be the victim of that where I think he's

1531
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: just gonna get pushed down stack.

1532
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 3: He's not going to be an outside guy.

1533
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: I know that at the Shrineble he did try to

1534
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: prove that he can win down the field, but you know,

1535
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't see that happening at the next level, and

1536
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: that forty kind of confirmed it. Fun player, though, he's

1537
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 2: a guy that you will be easy to root for.

1538
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: Really good kid, hard worker, brings energy to the team.

1539
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: He's a try hard guy. But remember Malakai Corley didn't

1540
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: work out because he got COVID. So we're talking about

1541
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: another slot that's going to be in front of him,

1542
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: the slot that I love, and I don't know if

1543
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 2: the Giants are looking for a slot. I don't know

1544
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: if Wan Dell is gonna be pegged into that spot

1545
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: or he's going to be more of the Isaiah McKenzie

1546
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: gadget type. But Malik Washington from Virginia.

1547
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: He's on my list. I love him four four.

1548
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: Seven nineteen bench press ress. I love it when the

1549
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: receivers bench. By the way, I think he had the

1550
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: best vertical in the group. His broad ump was ten

1551
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 2: to six, the verticle was forty two and a half.

1552
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: And the guy his tape. I wrote him up a

1553
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. I just I found myself wanting

1554
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: to watch more tapeous. He was just so much fun

1555
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: to watch a competitor. He's bigger and stronger than you think.

1556
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's not your traditional Isaiah Williams type of

1557
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 2: he gets pushed around. He's one hundred and ninety one

1558
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: pounds at five foot eight. You know that's a stocky build,

1559
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: you know that really is. And he plays super fast,

1560
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: super twitchy. I think he was let the country and catches.

1561
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 2: He was second in yards. I mean we're talking about

1562
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: check check check, check check next to his name. So

1563
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: if the Giants are looking for a slot, that's the

1564
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: guy to look for.

1565
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: All right. Two other guys that I was impressed by

1566
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: on the bigger side. I didn't think Cornelius Johnson was

1567
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: going to work out that way. I liked him in Frisco,

1568
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: but boy, he had speed. I thought he was smooth

1569
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: in the workouts. He jumped well, his workout was great.

1570
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 1: And then I don't know how a six ' eight

1571
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: receiver and Johnny Wilson runs such good agility drills and

1572
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: change of direction. But oh boy, so there's something there

1573
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: if a team can figure out how to use that. Dude,

1574
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 1: there's something there.

1575
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: Hey, you've seen Darren Waller upfront plenty that that's who

1576
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: Darren Waller was when he came out of college.

1577
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 3: Who was what?

1578
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: He was? That skinny when he came out, you know what?

1579
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 3: Off the time, I was just looking at this.

1580
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 2: I think he went in at around two forty and

1581
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, wasn't I think Wilson measured in

1582
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: closer to two forty at the Senior Bowl as well. Yep,

1583
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: I thought he was two thirty eight. If if I

1584
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 2: remember correctly.

1585
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: That's about right. That's about the same. You're right.

1586
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: It's I debate this with one of the other scouts

1587
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: at our lads, He's like, hey, wide receiver all day

1588
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: and I said, he's going to be a slot tight end.

1589
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 3: At some point, and I go with you, the tight end. Yeah,

1590
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 3: you think it's a tight end.

1591
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: Good, all right, So I'm gonna go to I'm gonna

1592
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: go to him and tell him that you agree with me,

1593
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,799
Speaker 2: so I can I can get that win. But it's

1594
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: no matter what I mean, this is what he is.

1595
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 2: He's an offensive weapon.

1596
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1597
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 2: He has so many concentration drops on tape and it

1598
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: bothers you. And but you know, it seems to me

1599
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 2: just based on these drop rates that some of the

1600
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: teams are using what you know, these teams are using

1601
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: first round picks on wide receivers that have a ten

1602
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 2: percent drop rate.

1603
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,560
Speaker 3: Zay Flowers was one of them.

1604
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: That, hey, we'll trade the trasional drop occasional drop for

1605
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: these big plays and touchdowns because this guy, you know,

1606
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: this is like a Jimmy Graham type. You know, you

1607
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 2: give him to a Sean Payton, the guy is going

1608
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: to be a star. You know, in the red zone.

1609
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 2: He's just going to score a ton of touchdowns. And

1610
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: that's where a lot of offenses struggle. You know, you

1611
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 2: put them in that closed box at the end of

1612
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: the field. They just don't know what to do. They

1613
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: don't have as much space to work with, and you

1614
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: have to create matchup problems, and putting this guy on

1615
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: the field creates a matchup problem. So, you know, if

1616
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 2: the Giants were interested in Darren Waller, you're gonna have

1617
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: a hard time convincing me that they're not interested in

1618
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: this kid. It just seems like it might be a

1619
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: little bit of a luxury pick for a team that

1620
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: needs to build the foundation.

1621
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. We didn't mention Romadoonsa. We

1622
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: probably should have because he's massive. He just looks like

1623
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: an NFL player standing next to him. Yeah, mid mid

1624
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: four fours, jumped really well. His agility thing tests were

1625
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: better than I thought they were going to be after

1626
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: watching his tape, so it was his speed. To be

1627
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: quite honest with you, Look, this is as safe as

1628
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: his pick as you can get. I mean, you pick

1629
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: him in the top ten, you plug him in, you

1630
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be awesome. And to me, that is

1631
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: a really big luxury. I mean, after seeing the measurables

1632
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: and watching him, I know he doesn't separate quite as

1633
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: well against Man tamand as some other guys and I'm

1634
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: the first one to say that, but really, with everything

1635
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: else he does so well, Dave, I mean, this is

1636
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: a plug and play. We know exactly what we're going

1637
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: to get in terms of a player and a guy,

1638
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: and I think that's a really good position to be

1639
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: in if you're a team.

1640
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: YEP, wide receiver two for me, you know him and

1641
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 2: Molik Neighbors are right there. But if you put a

1642
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 2: gun to my head right now, whom I taking it?

1643
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 2: So don say He's been my number one receiver beyond

1644
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison obviously since the summer, and that never never

1645
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: wavered on that, And I just want to throw a

1646
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 2: little challenge at the separation.

1647
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 3: It's true he didn't separate much, but.

1648
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 2: I think that actually had more to do with the

1649
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: Washington scheme than him. Just that the routes are predictable

1650
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: if they didn't run a wide route tree, and that's

1651
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: something that he probably will have to put some extra

1652
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: work on. But you listen to this kid talk agread

1653
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: to what coaches say about him. The intangibles are off

1654
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: the charts. Don't worry about him developing what he needs

1655
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: to develop skill wise, Roma Dunzai. I think once he's

1656
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: in a more sophisticated offense where it's not predictable what

1657
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 2: they're going to do.

1658
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 3: He's going to be able to separate. When you watch

1659
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 3: him move.

1660
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: There's an elegance, an elegant explosion to him that you

1661
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: just don't see. That translates to the route running and

1662
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: then you can cross check that with all these workout times.

1663
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: I mean, the dude is two twelve. He's going to

1664
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: beat guys up that get in his face. You're going

1665
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: to be afraid of him getting over the top. I

1666
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 2: have no fear of him being a big time number

1667
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 2: one wide receiver at the NFL.

1668
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think eventually he'll play a two twenty.

1669
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if he tried to shed weight to

1670
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: run better, but I just his frame. He looks like

1671
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: I got on. That'll play at six two, two twenty.

1672
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: All day, All right, final two questions for you, Dave.

1673
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: We'll keep it broad overall over arching thoughts on this

1674
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: draft class as a whole. You can relate it to

1675
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,480
Speaker 1: the Giants if you like, in terms of strengths weaknesses.

1676
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: After we've gotten through the combine here with a little

1677
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: bit less than two months to go into the NFL.

1678
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: Draft, Wow, I can't believe that's it's going to be here.

1679
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: This is going to be a crazy two months.

1680
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: Hey.

1681
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 2: Where the Giants need the most help, the draft is

1682
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 2: the strongest. And I'm not talking about just one spot,

1683
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, I know the quarterback spot is a very

1684
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: debated topic in Giants Land right now with the fans.

1685
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 2: You know, should they give up on Jones or not?

1686
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: If you do, if they are going to give up

1687
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: on them, this quarterback class is going to provide a

1688
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: big time starter for them if you want to move

1689
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: forward with them. Where is the draft the strongest wide receiver,

1690
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: offensive line, at rusher. If you ask me, where are

1691
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 2: the Giants' biggest needs?

1692
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 3: That's it?

1693
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: Offensive line, wide receiver at rusher. So if they play

1694
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,919
Speaker 2: their cards right, they should be able to get multiple

1695
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: good players to fill all those spots that not only

1696
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: can can help them out for the future, but in

1697
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

1698
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: And I'll throw a corner in there too at the need.

1699
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: And it's also a very good corner class. So I'm

1700
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: with you all right now, let's just lock in. If

1701
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: I steal Joe Shanees Giants GM baseball gap and I

1702
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: throw it on your head what's your thought process is

1703
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: right now at number six for the Giants, So.

1704
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: What they should do is, I think this team needs

1705
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: to start the quarterback clock over. And you know, I

1706
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 2: love Daniel Jones as a person. I think he's been

1707
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: professional since he's been drafted. But there's two factors. I

1708
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:34,879
Speaker 2: just don't think he's.

1709
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 3: Reaching that upside.

1710
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: I do think mentally he's just not processing the way

1711
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: we would expect a quarterback that's been the league for

1712
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: as long as he has to be able to do it.

1713
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: I do hope that he can get a Gino Smith,

1714
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield opportunity elsewhere and reach that physical upside, but

1715
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's going to be here. And

1716
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: the injuries, I mean, you're talking about neck and ACL

1717
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 2: But I want the Giants to draft a quarterback, and

1718
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now that some who I

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01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: think is going to be available, and without giving up

1720
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: too much of the r lads grading process right now,

1721
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: I think JJ McCarthy is the best fit, and I

1722
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 2: think it's the most realistic player to be there at

1723
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: number six. And I'm sure you know I'll talk about

1724
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: McCarthy more in the future, but that's the kind of

1725
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: guy that I think can come in and you play

1726
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones in twenty twenty four, and I know that's

1727
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 2: going to be a really tough situation for him. The

1728
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: first interception he throws, you'll heal the boobirds come down.

1729
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 2: But we've seen this song and dance a lot in

1730
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: the past that someone feels the pressure from a young

1731
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 2: quarterback coming in plays the year of his life. Drew

1732
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: Brees in LA And now the Giants have a trade

1733
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: hit at this time next year. You can't get rid

1734
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: of that contract prior to twenty twenty four, so that's out.

1735
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: That's not even in the picture. But I want to

1736
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: see Daniel Jones under center for at least the start

1737
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four season, and you groom this

1738
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 2: young quarterback under him. I'm a big fan of what

1739
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: the Chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes. You sit him for most,

1740
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: if not the entire first season. That's another one right there.

1741
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: Alex Smith went out and played the year of his year,

1742
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 2: had the best year of his career with Patrick Mahomes

1743
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 2: sitting right beneath him, and that's going to create an

1744
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 2: opportunity for the quarterback down the road. And it's also

1745
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 2: an economic decision. You restart that quarterback clock for the

1746
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 2: salary cap.

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: All right, let me just follow up as a scout,

1748
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: knowing how you great players and how seriously you take them,

1749
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: would you have trouble in your heart of hearts as

1750
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: you turn in that card picking McCarthy over someone like

1751
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: Roe mcdonsay.

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01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: Because of the value of the position. Would I have trouble? Yeah,

1753
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: it'd be a hard decision. But I'll tell you what,

1754
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: you're never going to get to Roal mcdonsay's upside if

1755
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: you don't have the right quarterback. And as flashy as

1756
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: these wide receivers like Aldonzay. Look, I mean every year

1757
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: you got really good receivers coming to the league. And

1758
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: it's a position that I feel like we say this

1759
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: every single season. Oh man, have you seen these wide receivers.

1760
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: They're so deep, there's so many of them. That's going

1761
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: to be the case every year. So as much as

1762
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 2: I like Rome mcdonsay on and off the field, you

1763
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: got to get the quarterback first. That's how you build

1764
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 2: this thing, and then you can find that kind of

1765
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: wide receiver and hey, if you have some extra funds

1766
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: to work with, work with paying a rookie quarterback, you

1767
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 2: can do what the Giants did and No. Five and

1768
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 2: buyer receiver like Pacsico Bursts.

1769
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: Obviously we're not done yet. But when all said and done,

1770
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: way do you think McCarthy's going to wind up on

1771
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: your big board?

1772
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 3: Top ten?

1773
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 1: Oh?

1774
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: Really?

1775
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: Okay?

1776
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 2: Yep, I can tell you that he'll probably be top

1777
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 2: ten again. This is factoring in positional value. I do

1778
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: it a little different than some, but I do factor

1779
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 2: position value. But you know, if you're going to just

1780
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 2: use you know, the number that you get without the

1781
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: quarterback value next to it, he'll be top twenty. But

1782
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 2: that that value of the quarterback and the economics that

1783
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 2: are behind it.

1784
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 3: Especially now, he'll be a top ten player.

1785
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm putting my neck out for that. I

1786
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 2: know I'm probably outside the norm on it, but there's

1787
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: just so much about him. I did not like him

1788
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 2: like that. I called him day two when he declared

1789
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 2: for the draft, and then I watched all the film

1790
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty three and twenty twenty two, and I

1791
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 2: think he's got it, dude, I really do.

1792
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm through eight games on him, and I

1793
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: like him better than I did before. I started, and

1794
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: I still have another six or seven to go. I'm

1795
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: curious to see you where I wind up at the

1796
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: end of the process because I know things change when

1797
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: you watch more. And that's the beauty watching the tape

1798
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: right so real quick, because I think you are hiring

1799
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: him the most thing you like about McCarthy's game the

1800
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: most and thing that has you most worried about him

1801
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: not maybe achieving all the potential that you see inside

1802
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: of him.

1803
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 2: So I think Martha McCarthy is a step ahead mentally

1804
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 2: when it comes to a processing the defense. But also

1805
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 2: he just anticipates for the defense. You can tell he

1806
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: watches film and you could tell he knows even just

1807
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: player to player tendencies. He can look at a jersey

1808
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: number pre snap and tell you what he's going to

1809
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: do after this play action look. And that to me

1810
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: is like that obsessive trait of a quarterback of Tom Brady,

1811
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes. They're so instinmental side of the

1812
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 2: game that they they just they're a step ahead. And

1813
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,839
Speaker 2: that's what you need to be to be a quarterback

1814
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: in the NFL. If you're not a step ahead, you're

1815
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 2: a step behind. The worry with me is that he

1816
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 2: just never had to put the team on his back,

1817
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, how many of these quarterbacks passed

1818
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 2: the ball eight times in a big win against Penn

1819
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 2: State And that's not his fault. You can't use that

1820
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: against him. And there is no such thing as a

1821
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: perfect prospect, especially at quarterback. You know, all these guys

1822
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 2: you can throw red flags, red flag, and his red

1823
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 2: flag is you don't know how he will respond to

1824
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 2: being a guy that needs to drop back forty five times,

1825
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 2: seven weeks in a row, in bad weather, in the

1826
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 2: playoffs against the best defenses in the NFL. He just

1827
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: he hasn't done it.

1828
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he hasn't had to play from behind you right,

1829
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean something that he just hasn't had to do. Again,

1830
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: not his fault, but it's something that he hasn't proven yet. Look,

1831
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: I think the two things that I'd say is that

1832
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: the deep ball again, I think he throws everything on

1833
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: the line drive. I want to see more touch on

1834
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: the deep ball. I think it was better in the workouts.

1835
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: He got some airing those passes, which was great. And

1836
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: then the other thing too, I think this goes to

1837
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: your first point. He puts that ball into some track

1838
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field sometimes where you're like, dude,

1839
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: you have no business trying to get that ball in there.

1840
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: He's get it in there. But I wonder how much

1841
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: of that is is understanding the defensive players tendency knowing

1842
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: he can get it in there. So that's the other

1843
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: thing I do think if he plays quickly at the

1844
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: next level, you are going to have some interceptions early

1845
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: in his career as he tries to put the ball

1846
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: into some windows in the middle of the field. But

1847
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: I'd rather have to pull a guy back from that

1848
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: than try to push him to do it, you know.

1849
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And hey, no one hates turnovers more than me.

1850
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: If anything, I put too much into them. But there's

1851
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: something to be said about that, you know, the e

1852
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: fit mentality, where like, hey, I'm going to go for it.

1853
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to trust myself here and if I turn

1854
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: the ball over, fine. You know, Patrick Mahomes had a

1855
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: career turnovers this past year, and again I shouldn't be

1856
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 2: bringing up that name. I hate when others do that

1857
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 2: when they talk about Caleb Williams. But there's a confidence

1858
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 2: about him and there's a situational awareness about him. Where

1859
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: he knows when to take the risk and when not to.

1860
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: I also think he's the best quarterback in this entire

1861
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: class it comes to pressure. You know what can he

1862
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: do against pressure, both with his arms and legs. He

1863
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 2: just has that mentality that I think separates the quarterbacks

1864
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: that make it and the quarterbacks that do not.

1865
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 3: It's between the ears, Dave.

1866
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for taking you so long here, man, I

1867
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: was not except almost an hour twenty minutes. I was

1868
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: gonna go forty five, and my god, the conversation was

1869
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: just too good. Before you say go bye, tell the

1870
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: folks where they can find all your stuff. Our Lads

1871
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: is a draft guy. Tell them about everything you guys

1872
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: are doing.

1873
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on Twitter.

1874
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm at our Lads underscore side and trying to be

1875
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: as active as I can on there. Just trying to

1876
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: balance all the work that we need to do right

1877
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 2: now we have. We have a quite a task in

1878
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: front of us over the next three weeks, but we

1879
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: always find a way to get it done. The Our

1880
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1881
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1882
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1883
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Speaker 2: it more tablet and pull and friendly, so just look

1884
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Speaker 2: out for that. I'm a huge I just want to

1885
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Speaker 2: push everyone.

1886
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Speaker 3: Get the hard copy.

1887
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Speaker 2: I think it's a lot all start that we have

1888
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 2: a book in front of us and we go through

1889
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 2: the pages rather than looking at a screen. We're in

1890
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 2: front of a screen too much these days, so I

1891
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: really want to push you guys to We're still paying

1892
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1894
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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of value in it. We just

1895
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Speaker 2: started a YouTube channel for our lads first time' very

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Speaker 2: done this they know, which is a if you know

1897
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Speaker 2: the story and history of our lads, that's a big deal.

1898
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Speaker 2: if you guys get head over to YouTube and just

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Speaker 2: subscribe to the our Lads channel, that would really deeply

1901
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Speaker 2: appreciate that. And We're always always welcome to positive and

1902
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: negative feedback, and I'll try to comment back to people

1903
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 2: in the comment section. You know, it's fun to talk draft.

1904
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: I at no point ever think I'm right and everyone

1905
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 2: else is wrong.

1906
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 3: I come up, We come up.

1907
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Speaker 2: Art staff is unique in that we don't use the

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Speaker 2: opinions of others to really use sway ours were. You'll

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Speaker 2: see in our position stacks we're pretty different and it

1910
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: comes from hours and hours of conversation and tape. So

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Speaker 2: we would really appreciate if you guys could go and

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Speaker 1: Dave, awesome stuff, my friend. Thanks so much for being

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Speaker 1: with us. We'll catch you. I'll with the assume before

1915
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: the draft.

1916
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 3: Awesome John, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Dave Severe some from our lads, you think if we're

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