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Speaker 1: If a young Mike Miller comes out right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: He had limited touches, but he had to make all

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Speaker 1: those joints count and every time he released it, you

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Ogs. It is a Playmaker original

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Speaker 2: presented by Draft Games. And you do you got one

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Speaker 2: of my favorites in the building.

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Speaker 3: Hey, boy, you remember when we was back in Florida,

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Speaker 3: we used to wear them pennies phone positive.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's wear them every once in a while. We

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Speaker 2: couldn't show out like that. One of the most influential

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Speaker 2: have been a twenty time All Star if he stayed healthy.

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Speaker 2: Olympic gold medals unbelievable coach too, By the way, let's

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Speaker 2: not talk about that in person, too. Real, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: real one, Penny Hardaway, appreciate you joining us, big dog,

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Speaker 2: for real.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've arrived now the Ogs. I know

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Speaker 4: you boy, Hey, it's honored to be on this joint

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 5: It's logo we do, man, it's logo we do.

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Speaker 6: We appreciate you taking the time for y'all tuned in.

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Speaker 6: Understand I live in his city, and it is his city.

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Speaker 6: It is I live in Memphis probably, well, yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 6: Probably the coldest dude coming out of Memphis, man. Talk

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Speaker 6: about growing up and playing in Memphis, because for everybody

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Speaker 6: that doesn't know, like Memphis is, they love who Yes,

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Speaker 6: and you being the best player to come out of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, just like our city loves you.

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Speaker 1: They love hoopers, they love true hoopers, and that's what

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Speaker 4: You that love.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's just basically how you get your name.

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Speaker 1: You go through the city from park to park, gym

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Speaker 4: And that's what I did growing up.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: It was like anybody else that came through the city

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Speaker 3: I want you to I'm happy you started there because

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about your upgringing upbringing. Some of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean I started with my grandmother,

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Speaker 4: Well, I learned a tough way, right. I couldn't get

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Speaker 1: It was about me playing defense, you know, getting blocks,

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Speaker 1: And what that taught me was, you know, it was

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Speaker 4: But they just made me grind.

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Speaker 1: My grandmother made me grind and work for everything, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this, I would say coach now because

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Speaker 2: not Penny, but coach. Don't you wish some of your

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Speaker 2: what you say. I mean they're telling they're telling Penny

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Speaker 2: Hardaway out to shoot, we can't get we could give up,

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, I mean when you were coaching here

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Speaker 1: being basketball savants and guys that played the game. Mike,

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Speaker 1: it and to see it. Now, it's just it's way

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Speaker 1: Like now it's to pay someone millions of dollars and

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Speaker 2: One thing I'll say before you get in there is

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Speaker 2: like one thing I admired about you coaching those accountability

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Speaker 2: get players to play hard. Every one of your players

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Speaker 2: direct reflection of you though that. Yeah, I mean everyone

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Speaker 2: that was I tell people all the time. But it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's just a blessing. No matter of the

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Speaker 1: They did lay it all out on the line for

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Speaker 4: You know how hard you had.

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Speaker 1: To work, Bro, It's it's it's I said to you earlier,

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Speaker 5: Then that's what I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 3: I was like, how did you Because it can't be

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Speaker 5: You got to meet in the middle.

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Speaker 3: So like, how are you able to adjust and evolve

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 5: How was that that's the balance for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What I do is I give them a voice. You know,

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Speaker 1: You know, I've seen you plenty of years over on

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Speaker 1: If you're not taking care of your business, then we're

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Speaker 4: Let's just be a partnership.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be all my way even though

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Speaker 2: That's so good right there by the way that was

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Speaker 3: So building the trust and establishing this relationship with these

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Speaker 5: Basically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I look at that in the league as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are closer to the league than me,

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: These guys don't want to be yelled at in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to be yelled at on this level.

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Speaker 1: They want to be talked to and taught, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I'll ask my guards, how do you want to

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Speaker 1: Because if you want to play it a different way

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Speaker 1: from what I'm saying to you, as long as you

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Speaker 1: do it all out, I'll roll with that. And I

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Speaker 1: got your back and they'll take that and go, wow, okay, coach,

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Speaker 4: I want to ice everything.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to fight over if I don't want

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Speaker 4: I want to ice everything. I'm going, Okay, let's icy.

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Speaker 1: Let's just icy at the highest level that we can

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Speaker 1: ic it, and we'll just agree upon that enroll. But

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Speaker 1: I give them a voice and give them a chance

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Speaker 4: It's just that growth. I was short all those years.

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest blessings you had there was play

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about he coming out of there, coming out

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Speaker 2: You know what I think gets lost in all this,

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Speaker 5: Bite your ass or something, whatever it takes may by

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Speaker 3: If you ever have some free time, I would love

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Speaker 3: to indulge in a fight with you.

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Speaker 5: Used to take me to fights all the time. I

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Speaker 5: used to hang out all the time.

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Speaker 2: Life's going to rob you got thirty nine jobs. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you got thirty nine and a half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got thirty So with that being the best,

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Speaker 2: But we got to make some money now so then

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Speaker 2: we get our future picks right on UFC on DraftKings.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let you go first today because I'm

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Speaker 2: in a giving mood. Give me who your pick is

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Speaker 2: for UFC three fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Please, Well, first of all, I'm at a disadvantage because

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Speaker 3: I don't see the flags up there, so I need

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Speaker 3: to know who's Brazilian. I didn't know who's a Brazilian

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Speaker 3: first and foremost, who is the bets?

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Speaker 2: On straight? Who are the Brazilians?

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Speaker 3: Because I'm going for the Brazilians. When when all else fails,

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Speaker 3: pick a Brazilian Jose Aldo for the ten fifteen.

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Speaker 2: The ten to fifteen, Who you're going.

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Speaker 5: I'm going Joel Alvarez and Alvarez.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're taking a favorite. I like it. I like it.

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Speaker 2: I'm also gonna take a favorite, but I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: at the ten forty five bout I'm going with Jose.

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Speaker 2: An'll know is in Jose Jose Jose.

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Speaker 5: Careful. You gotta be careful because people get real assistant

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Speaker 5: about their names.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like they call me Mick.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Jose with you on that Wi Killer,

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Speaker 3: that's what you're going. I'm gonna go with hoes.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: You know my motto eleven fifteen. If your last name

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Speaker 3: is Silva, I'm taking. I'm picking Silver show you're going.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to tell your silver I'm going to

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Speaker 3: and I'm going Alvarez.

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Speaker 5: We're picking off favorites.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. We are picking all

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Speaker 2: the favorites. But we're picking the favorites for a good reason.

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Speaker 2: And this is gonna be a clean sweet because I'm

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Speaker 2: going the same thing you are. And if we lay them,

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Speaker 2: I like where our heads at. I like where our heads.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna make some money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're trying to quit our job, so you'll have

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Speaker 2: thirty seven and a half jobs.

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Speaker 5: Now. I ain't never quit nothing. I tell you right now.

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Speaker 5: If I hate the lot of I'm out you out.

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Speaker 2: Coach. Yes, let's let's see what Let's let's put our

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Speaker 2: handy dandy little calculator here. Let's see what we got here, Coach,

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Speaker 2: see I ain't let's put those put those things in there.

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Speaker 2: It's oh, well, that doesn't make any sense. One hundred

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Speaker 5: Three fete unreds.

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Speaker 4: We can't keeping my job.

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Speaker 2: I'm keeping that. I'm king we can't even We did

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Speaker 2: pick all the favorites, but.

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Speaker 3: I mean you want us to pick the losers. I'm

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Speaker 3: not gonna pick them up.

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Speaker 4: We can't even pay the gate to get in.

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Speaker 5: I can get out there and get a lost. Put

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Speaker 5: me up there. I can get out there and get

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Speaker 5: a loss for the show.

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Speaker 2: I will say this though, it's gonna ben exciting card.

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Speaker 2: You have CE three fifteen. We're gonna be tuned in,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be on draft can.

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Speaker 5: I have to thank you because my love for UFC

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Speaker 5: comes from you.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that guy.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you, and I tell you on a lot

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Speaker 5: of ass. But this kind of fighting is different.

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Speaker 4: Where do you go?

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Speaker 2: And O GS? What? O GS? That's right? Promo code?

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, that's really dope. He So now go ahead,

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Speaker 2: I was gonna talk about then. So you leave Memphis,

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Speaker 2: get get drafted and traded to Orlando, one of the

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Speaker 2: most iconic jerseys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got, I got. I got a weak bladder,

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Speaker 3: fell y'all go ahead. I'm gonna be right back, y'all

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Speaker 3: keep it going. I'm forty four years old. I'm doing

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Speaker 3: the best I can.

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Speaker 4: A ud move.

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Speaker 2: So, but I want to hear about that though, because

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Speaker 2: going to Orlando, iconic duel between you and Shaq, that

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Speaker 2: team was so dope. Talk about that talking about draft night.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I have to really auditioned for that, Mike,

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Speaker 1: even though I was coming out in my draft year.

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Speaker 1: I was rejected to go top five for sure, but

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Speaker 1: I started doing the movie Blue Chips.

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Speaker 2: Dope.

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Speaker 1: I started doing the movie Blue Chips. I basically had

582
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Speaker 1: to sell Shack on me being the guy I knew

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Speaker 1: C Webb, who was a good friend of mine.

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Speaker 4: Fab five. Come on, man, that was dope.

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Speaker 2: By the way. Unbelievable draft class.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and so I'm with Shack the

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Speaker 1: entire summer. So I just took advantage of it. I

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Speaker 1: went to work out for the Magic the very first time.

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Speaker 1: Nobody was at the airport, to pick me up. Stuart

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Speaker 1: Scott Rest in Peace ESPN. Stewart Scott was an anchor

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Speaker 1: in Orlando at the time. He picked me up, took

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Speaker 1: me McDonald's and then took me to the arena back

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Speaker 1: then and I did a workout with the strength and

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Speaker 1: conditioning coach and left. I told Shack when I got back,

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Speaker 1: I was like, nobody was at the airport. But I

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Speaker 1: did do a workout and that was with the strength

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Speaker 1: conditioning coach and that's it. So about a month later,

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Speaker 1: Shack calls back and go, yo, y'all need to bring

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Speaker 1: him back. I went back the second time. There's a church,

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Speaker 1: uh in Orlando in winter Park. I can't remember the

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Speaker 1: name of the name of the church. That's what the

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Speaker 1: magic used to hoop in the summer because we were

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Speaker 1: at the rec center. The rec center was right in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the hood. Shout out to my boy,

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Speaker 1: Marquise Dames because he was one of the little dudes

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Speaker 1: that was running up to my car every day. Now

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Speaker 1: he's an assistant coach at Auburn University. Uh, Chucky And

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Speaker 1: what's Chucky's last name?

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Speaker 2: I'm tripping right Nowkins Chuck Yakinskyakin.

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Speaker 1: My bad see. You know, Hey, I'm getting old too.

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Speaker 1: But Chucky was over there and all that. So we

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Speaker 1: worked out and they put Anthony Bowie, who was their

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Speaker 1: best defender, who was the guy that was Garden, Jordan

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Speaker 1: and Garden, Mitch Richmond and Garden, all the top guards

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Speaker 1: in the league for the Orlando Magic. And they brought

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Speaker 1: me in and said, okay, if he could do well

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Speaker 1: against Anthony Bowie in this setting, then you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll see what he's all about. And I went into

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Speaker 1: the setting and I just destroyed the setting. I knew

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Speaker 1: that that was my audition. Shout out to Anthony Bowie,

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Speaker 1: but hey, I destroyed the session, went back and toward Shack.

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Speaker 1: I destroyed it. Bro There's no way that I didn't

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Speaker 1: win them over with this session. And then the Scott

624
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Speaker 1: was there, Nick Anderson was there, and I got their approval,

625
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Speaker 1: and then the rest is history. Shack did the rest.

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Speaker 1: I went and worked out for Golden State. That's the

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Speaker 1: only other team I went to visit. And Don Nelson

628
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Speaker 1: said in the stands, if you know Nelly, oh yeah,

629
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Speaker 1: Me and Tim Hardaway played ones in front of Donna.

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Speaker 1: He's the only one in the stadium in the stands

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Speaker 1: in the whole stadium, and he made Tim Hardaway just

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Speaker 1: to try to destroy me, to see what kind of

633
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Speaker 1: heart I had, what kind of game I had to

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Speaker 1: try to get Tim's approval, and me and Tim just

635
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Speaker 1: played Ones the whole time. And that's the only other

636
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Speaker 1: team I tried, I worked out for, and Shaq made

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Speaker 1: the deal happen with me going to Rolanto.

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Speaker 2: I love Tim Hardaway, but I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: wants it.

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Speaker 5: That's my god.

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Speaker 3: You have a question because I want to backpedal a

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Speaker 3: little bit before my weekn ass bladder.

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Speaker 5: Gave or playing at home.

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Speaker 3: People don't understand the responsibility and the pressure that comes

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Speaker 3: with when you're playing at home. But it's also it's

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Speaker 3: good pressure, but it's also a black pressure because you're

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Speaker 3: gonna lose some friends. People got to You're going to

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Speaker 3: tell some people know and it ain't not gonna like that.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna say no to a lot of things. Just

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Speaker 3: talk about how you had to balance that, because I've

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Speaker 3: dealt with it, but you had to deal with it

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Speaker 3: at a college level. I was at the pros, but

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Speaker 3: you dealt with it at you was younger, waveble immature,

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Speaker 3: probably How did you balance that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was hard because you only get so

656
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: many tickets. It's not like I could get forty tickets

657
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: for the entire group, right, Yes, so someone was always

658
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: going to be mad and it started there. But on

659
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: the floor, the pressure that came along with it, I

660
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: felt like I was built for that pressure. But the

661
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: other pressure, what you're talking about after the game. You

662
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: didn't leave me tickets, dealing with your boys, Hey, I

663
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: want to come to the next game, trying to shuffle

664
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: tickets and all that. That type of stuff is being

665
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: at home. It happens as well. But the actual pressure

666
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: from hooping at Memphis. I enjoyed that.

667
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: Man. I loved hooping with my teammates.

668
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to win for the city, and I felt

669
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: like at that time, man, you know, I was trying

670
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: to show who I really was. But there is a

671
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: lot of pressure at home because you have to perform,

672
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: and then you have so many people that want to

673
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: come to the game, come to practice, come to the dorms,

674
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: come to hang out. And it's not like you tried

675
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: to I tried to like shun anybody or keep anybody out,

676
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: but I was so locked in and focused on making

677
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: it that I had to drop some people off that

678
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: I used to hang out with that I couldn't hang

679
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: out with anymore, and they started saying I was acting funny.

680
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: Then when you go back to the hood, they had

681
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: negative things to say or good things to say, whatever

682
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: it was. And you have to deal with all of

683
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: that by being you know, being home. That's just what

684
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: comes along with it.

685
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I heard it all. They gonna go in

686
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: my pockets, they're gonna do well. First of all, If

687
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna go in my pockets, where you're gonna go

688
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: after that, you can't stay here. You can't stay here

689
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: right Literally, that's a different kind of pressure that people

690
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: don't understand, Penny, that we had it deal with because

691
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: it's like keeping it real can go wrong.

692
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 5: Like you gotta cut people off.

693
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to cut some people off, but then

694
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: everybody don't like when you cut there. So yeah, now

695
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: it's a different kind of pressure that these people you

696
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: grew up with, you feel like you kind of owe

697
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: them a little bit. They might have looked down for you.

698
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: People don't understand that kind of pressure.

699
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a lot of pressure, man, But you

700
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: know we handled it. You know, you like you said

701
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: in the pros you're making millions of dollars. You're with

702
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: the Heat, y'all want the championships.

703
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: I can.

704
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: I can understand in Miami how hard it was for you.

705
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: It was hard for me as well, but I didn't

706
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: have the money like that. It was more basically on

707
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: hey can we get tickets you know on campus?

708
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: Let us hang out. You know, yours was on a

709
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: higher level for sure.

710
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: Let's let's talk real quick. You've been like iconically in

711
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: the culture business too. Between the dopest jersey I've ever seen, Yes, yeah,

712
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: the dope one of the pair of dopest shoes, posit,

713
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: MJ Water, the Game, one of the basketball movies of

714
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: all time, Blue Chips, and a Little Penny Man. Let's

715
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: I want to tackle tackle the first thing first?

716
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 5: That was, you know, because sometimes we often forget.

717
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I want that brought the light again,

718
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. But I told you what, I

719
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: what I worked for him. It's the easiest sell in

720
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: the world. Play for Penny and Little Penny. Yeah, let's

721
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: talk about the shoe though. Yeah, how that was created?

722
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: How all that stuff were you involved in a lot

723
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: of that with Nike.

724
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know the one thing about Nike and

725
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: I love the Swish and they've been great to me.

726
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's been the best thing that

727
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: happened to me, you know with the NBA outside of

728
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: my you know, individual accolades has been you know, an

729
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: Olympian and an All Star. They don't give you that

730
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: that nod unless you're really taking care of business, right, Mike,

731
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Like you were a Rookie of the Year.

732
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: You don't understand it. You were hooping in Orlando as well.

733
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: So when you're hooping, then I got approached with an

734
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: opportunity because they saw the promising me, they saw the

735
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: stardom and me, they saw that I was starting to ascend,

736
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: and to me there was nothing but respect, Like, hey,

737
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: we want to give your own shoes. So I knew

738
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I had to ride when Nike said, because they're not

739
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: going to give you a shoe unless they know that

740
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: they can market you, they know that they can get

741
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: where they want.

742
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: To go business. You said, what, it's the dollars and

743
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: sens business. They ain't gonna do it unless that they

744
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: are gonna make it.

745
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: Come on now, come on, and yeah, if it don't

746
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: make dollars, it don't make sense. So it made sense

747
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: to them to give me a shoe. And when they

748
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: came out with my sneaker line, I was totally involved.

749
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: It went from what kind of cars do you like?

750
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Sports cars? What kind of watches do you like? How

751
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, because my shoe is going to be designed

752
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: with the mindset of what I like, you know, the

753
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: expensive things like what planes? Okay, I'm a G five

754
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: type of guy, not a hawk great, honey, you know, I'm.

755
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: Just all these different things.

756
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: They asked me these questions and they molded this shoe

757
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: and was like, from what you told us, this is

758
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: what we think that you would like, and may I

759
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: instantly loved the model that they made, and then they

760
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: molded it to my foot and it just seemed like

761
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: from that point on, everything just took off. Man, from

762
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: the penny ones all the way up to the phones,

763
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: everything that they made for me. The only thing that

764
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: I had that the one thing that they had to

765
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: do was I needed to wear have a sneaker that

766
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: you can wear hooping and that you can we can

767
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: wear off the court with with like.

768
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: Jeans or sweats.

769
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I wanted I didn't want just to have a hoop

770
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: shoe that you just had to leave at the gym.

771
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: I wanted my shoe to be a lifestyle shoe and

772
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: a hoop shoe.

773
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: So think about him is he had a dope style

774
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: and he blessed me with so many phone posits. What

775
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: I knew he was the coldest, one of the coldest

776
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: basketball players ever is that he got busy in than

777
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: phone posits. The fact that the fact.

778
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: Man, but difference in someone else just wearing a phone

779
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: positive because they're heavy. They molded them to my foot

780
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: when it molded in shape to you is different, right

781
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: for me. That's why I hooped in him everybody else

782
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: trying to hoop them down.

783
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: Listen, he blessed me. He gave me so many phone

784
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: positive and then the dopest shoe in the world. And

785
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wear them like he said, lifestyle.

786
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: We need to pull this up. I hooped in the

787
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: phone posits at Florida in games.

788
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: Wow, you must have you had four points games.

789
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: And I used my whole fantas to pay two hundred

790
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: dollars for them. I remember to this day the first

791
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: time I spent two hundred dollars of the.

792
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: Joints me, you can sleep, you can sleep tonight, MJ

793
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: Warriors shoes and UD Warriors shoes in the game.

794
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: Oh yes, over that a little bit of a gap,

795
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 5: but we'll take it.

796
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: But that's talk about the movie though, Blue Chips, because

797
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: that's to be the dopest to.

798
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: The movie came about because they wanted to cast someone

799
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: that had there was an athlete, a real basketball player

800
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: that had the baby face, like you have to be

801
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: a freshman. So obviously I fit both the hooping side

802
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: and then I had the baby face.

803
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 4: So I went right.

804
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: Into this this situation. They approached my agents about me

805
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: doing the movie Blue Chips. It's crazy because of the

806
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: daggone movie kind of correlates to what's going on today,

807
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

808
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 4: It's just crazy how that worked. And that was like

809
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: in ninety three, ninety two, ninety.

810
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: Three, and I went had the audition with Nick no

811
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: Ty at the director's house in Hollywood, and I got

812
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: the part and the rest is history. The entire summer

813
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: we were together, did majority of the scenes at usc

814
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: in LA. I did the basketball scene in Chicago because

815
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: I went to Saint Joe's and then we did the

816
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: last scene in Lafayette and there at Purdue University where

817
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: I threw shack the lob to win the game.

818
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: Everything else was done.

819
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: In lad How hard was How hard was that? Acting?

820
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: Though acting is tough.

821
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: The acting part was cool.

822
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: It's like you have to get to the set at

823
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: like eight o'clock in the morning and you might not

824
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: feel until like six and six pm.

825
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: But you just have to be already, and it's every

826
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: day and.

827
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: You're getting ready for the draft at this time to

828
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: the same time.

829
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: I'm getting ready for the draft at the same time.

830
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

831
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 5: I didn't even know you had the audition.

832
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: I figured they came and seek you out, Like what

833
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 3: the trying to figure can he play? Can he play

834
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: this role? Of course he can, So they had this,

835
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: So you had the audition. I didn't know.

836
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: That, yep.

837
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was still it was really my role,

838
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: but I have to show them. They needed to see

839
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: if I needed help acting. But the part I had

840
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: it was pretty simple.

841
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: You know that yourself basically was it butcher?

842
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 5: What was your name?

843
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: But that used to be my alias on the roll.

844
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: When I don't know why, I'm thinking that's gonna I'm

845
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: like they're not gonna think of this.

846
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, really, people calling my room, I have to

847
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: change it. I was like, the like they're gonna be

848
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 4: thinking Penny hard the way thinking Prey was like bringing

849
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: up Hello, what is this?

850
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: No, No, this's Butch's Butch and my coach is Nick.

851
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. He talked about those early, those early years in

852
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: Orlando though, because again my age, that was like an

853
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: iconic team. Bro.

854
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: When you look at our lineup, we have to be.

855
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: One of the teams that had the best roster that

856
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: didn't win a championship. Honestly, because I'm six seven, Nick

857
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: Anderson sixty six, then a Scott at six to eight,

858
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: second seven.

859
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: Football was wrong.

860
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: We didn't have no little dudes, right, and then Brian

861
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: Shaw came off the bench at the backup point he's

862
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: sixty six. Donal Roe came off he's six a, Anthony

863
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: Bowie sixty five, So we had.

864
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: One of the longest teams. Man. That team was special. Man.

865
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: The early years was just like rock stars. You know

866
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: how it is in Orlando, like they are unbelievable fans.

867
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: It's really a college town. But with the NBA being

868
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: there in the Orlando Magic is the only thing moving.

869
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: I know, obviously they got some other soccer teams and

870
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: they had arena football on that thing back in the day.

871
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: But as far as fan base, man, we were treated

872
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: like rock stars. Man, it was the most fun time

873
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: I ever had in my career. Winning obviously cures all

874
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: of that. Being with Shaq, who was a man. We

875
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: were it was like being with a rock star. Everywhere

876
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: you went, man, it was.

877
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: Man.

878
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: You talk about the people at the hotel, I mean,

879
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: you guys witnessed it being with with Miami, right. You

880
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: went to the hotel just like it didn't matter what

881
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: time you got there. It was sixty seventy eighty ninety people,

882
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: it could be three in the morning. People got their

883
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: five year old kids out there asking for an autograph.

884
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: And everywhere we went it was like a huge party.

885
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: Man.

886
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: It was for those years I was in Orlando. Nothing

887
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: could replace those years. It was crazy.

888
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: I never told you this, but that was like must

889
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: see TV for me, that that Orlando Magic team with you,

890
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: and yeah, that was it was so fun to watch. Man.

891
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Ain't no way hell.

892
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: You went tuning in.

893
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: I had to short had this jersey.

894
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: Do you have Nick Anderston playing defense? You had horrors Grant.

895
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: I mean, man, that was a crew man. They put that.

896
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: They put that team together. It was unfortunate that we

897
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: didn't stay together. The big fella got wooed by the Lakers.

898
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: And I can understand because he was sewing the music.

899
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: He was sewing the movies. Bruce Willison de me Moore.

900
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: It was hard to turn down Hollywood.

901
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 5: Man, I ain't no Bruce Willison did me more came out.

902
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: They came out for Shack.

903
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with your listen. I would have

904
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: hard ass too, for yipp mister hard packed me up.

905
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: He packed up, packed me up.

906
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, killer, I wanted to see it together.

907
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, mister Bruce Willis.

908
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 4: But for real, though, I mean, how can you turn

909
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: that down?

910
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: Talk even today before we move on, Like even today,

911
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 3: I see guys make this decision to go to LA

912
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: not just because of the basketball, but because of the

913
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 3: business and movies and just the other opportunities that comes

914
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: with being in LA. So that's still true today.

915
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

916
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: You're a Laker, you are you are a move. You

917
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: are a star in l A.

918
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: No matter if you're the first of the last, if

919
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: you have Laker jersey on you are, and if you're

920
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: the guy, forget about it.

921
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 5: Luca has the number one jersey in the league right now.

922
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: Luca, Yes, yes, he surpassed the Jason Tatums and all

923
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: these guys. Right now, Luca Donches has the number one player,

924
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: the number one jersey in the league. And I had

925
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: this conversation on first take and they told me no.

926
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: I said, do you think a European player can be

927
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: the face of the league?

928
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 5: And they said no. And my.

929
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: Reason for saying that because I feel like Luka Doncs

930
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: already who he is as a player, and two when

931
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: at Laker jersey could possibly be the face of the

932
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: league in the year or two.

933
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 5: I don't see why not?

934
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: No, I agree, why not? I mean if you can hoop,

935
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna respect hooping. Man, They respect Luca

936
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: because he can put that ball in the basket.

937
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: And swag and the Lakers jersey.

938
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: That company tell those things allows a European player, And

939
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: I know it's a European player and then basketball is

940
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: in America, but I really feel like in that jersey

941
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: he can be the face.

942
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: Can you believe that trade happened?

943
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: Pe Niko is my guy. I love, love Nika, love

944
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 4: but you know what you're talking about, big balls. Nico

945
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 4: is still on what he.

946
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: Believed in Bro and he's still doing that. I appreciate it,

947
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: and I agree.

948
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: That takes a lot. And obviously we're not we're not

949
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: on the inside. But that took a lot to trade

950
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: Luca Man and A D. You know, we know A

951
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: D is a talented as anyone BRO. We're not just

952
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Ad at all. And that's what I'm saying.

953
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: I feel younger.

954
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: Luca could be the face of the league. That's that's

955
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: a tough trade.

956
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: I feel bad for I feel bad for Nico in

957
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: the situation because we never got to really judge it, right,

958
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: Like Kyrie, A D goes out and has thirty in

959
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: the first half, the first game, goes out, doesn't play.

960
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: Then Kyrie tears his a c L. So we don't

961
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: really get to say that see.

962
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: The whole thing.

963
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: And I feel bad for a too, because Ad is

964
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: getting like he wasn't worth its worth it.

965
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this and I'm not a GM, I'm

966
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: not a president, I'm none of that. But I'm the

967
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: guy that's gonna stand on business. If you if you

968
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 3: ain't in here doing what I think is gonna lead.

969
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: Because what I what You got to realize these other

970
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: thirteen and fourteen guys ain't as talented as you, so

971
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: they can't do what you do. So if you ain't

972
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: setting the right example, I'm gonna get your ass a

973
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: year or two, I'm gonna get your ass up out

974
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: of here. That's just me and I'm not saying it's

975
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: right or wrong. But what i will say is I

976
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 3: need my best player to also be my leader.

977
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying.

978
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: I do say that if that group is healthy, with

979
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: Kyrie healthy and everyone healthy, yes they could be in

980
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: the Western Conference final.

981
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: That's why I feel bad for me, that healthy group

982
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: with Kyrie. He put his balls on the line, yes,

983
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: and then never exist start. Yeah, and he's getting Lucas

984
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: out there, get thirty one a night in the playoffs

985
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: right now and they're out. So it's hard. Yeah, I

986
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: mean it's a ballsy move for sure, but I'd love

987
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: to see it. And he said it in this press conference, like,

988
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: we'll see how it goes next year.

989
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: You got Clay, you got n G.

990
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 3: Marsh you bring back when you got Max Christie, you

991
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: got you know you got Anthony Davis. You still got

992
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: Derek Lively, like you got a yeah.

993
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 5: Pieces you got pieces, bro.

994
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: I said this on TV before we can move on,

995
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: I said this real quick, and I said, people of Dallas,

996
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: just realize they've been the three finals in the last

997
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 3: twenty years. That's the finals every six to seven years.

998
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: Just understanding some people that they've been to the finals

999
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: in the last thirty years once.

1000
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: Fact.

1001
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 5: So I'm just being honest. So let's keep the perspective.

1002
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: Dallas fans, y'all have been to the finals three times

1003
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: in the last twenty years, where some people ain't been

1004
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: to the finals once in thirty. Yes, sir, keep it

1005
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 3: in perspective. You got a good organization. Give Nigo some time.

1006
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: I think winning cures everything. That's all I'm gonna say.

1007
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: No, I believe in Niko. Now he made power moves.

1008
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna be He's gonna be okay, I promise you know.

1009
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: The one thing I respect about it is that, like

1010
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: that's not the easy decision to make. Right there? What

1011
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: are we talking about? That's talk about eras of basketball

1012
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: Pe the nineties two thousand. Where we're at now, Like,

1013
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: what's what what are your opinions the best area of

1014
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: basketball this three.

1015
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could talk about eras because

1016
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: everything is so different, right because I look at it

1017
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: like this, and this is how I've tried to tell

1018
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: guys that asked me about that. Back in our era,

1019
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: you played your matchup every single possession. You didn't switch

1020
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: off your matchup. Your matchup guarded you. You guarded your matchup.

1021
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: Now it's switch one through five. So the point guard

1022
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: and the best players playing against a five man or

1023
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: four man entire game. That's very different. Back in the day,

1024
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: you played the Miami Heat. They trapped your ass every

1025
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: time made you give the ball up. You played your matchup.

1026
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: Anytime you went to the basket, it was you had

1027
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: to play through physicality because it was all bunched up.

1028
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: We were talking about this all the time. The lane

1029
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: was so clogged because the bigs couldn't shoot. They were

1030
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: already on the block and you had to really know

1031
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: how to frey get to it back then. But the

1032
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: one thing I say is, you played your matchup.

1033
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 4: This era. It started with.

1034
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: David Stern, rest in Peace and now Adam Silver. They

1035
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: wanted to lead the score, so they stopped the hand check,

1036
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: and they stopped the touching, they stopped the physicality, and

1037
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: they made it more of an open game. Obviously, I

1038
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: think the skill level of all these bigs are unreal.

1039
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: That's something that I've never seen where guys are out

1040
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: on the perimeter shooting threes effortless world. In our era,

1041
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: only the three point shooters, only Mike Miller gets to

1042
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: shoot that. You don't shoot that, you get to shoot that.

1043
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Me and UD we're gonna do our thing, but we

1044
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: let Mike stay out there in deep water. Now everybody

1045
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: gets an opportunity to do that. So when I compare eras,

1046
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: this era doesn't play that, I love to see. This

1047
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: era played their matchup play against their matchup against each

1048
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: other the entire game without switching one through five. Because

1049
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: of what happens now and then, I think you'd be

1050
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: able to compare at that point. But if you're not

1051
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: playing against your matchup, it's kind of hard for me to,

1052
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, say what's what because of our era, we

1053
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: had to fight against the guy.

1054
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: That's why I love because the reality of the situation

1055
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: when I first got drafted the league, you couldn't come

1056
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: across that now and you couldn't come across that box.

1057
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: You played against pe Te mat m M. Paul Piert.

1058
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: You're on the island over there. You don't guard that

1059
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: man or follow that man you get they're gonna and

1060
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna run the same thing over and over again.

1061
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna keep dropping it.

1062
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: I tell people I found out real early, real often,

1063
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: what they thought about me as a defensive player when

1064
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: that game started. The run they run the io side.

1065
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: It was hard on rookies like Mike had it hard

1066
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: because when he came in it was really hard.

1067
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: Nowadays, it's not really hard on because they don't have

1068
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: they don't have the guard like that anymore.

1069
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 5: Na, they'll your coach take you out.

1070
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: And to your point where you're talking about five men

1071
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: shooting threes and five men getting the opportunity, we also

1072
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: that was a luxury. Like you, we had to see

1073
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 3: you shooting in the gym after practice. You can't just

1074
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: show up at seveno thirty and start find that up

1075
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: because that's what the other team doing. Like that was

1076
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: the difference though, like Penny, like we watched Mike get

1077
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: up five hundred. We we watched James Jones, we watched

1078
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: you know, Jason Capono, Like we watched these guys, it

1079
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: just seemed like right now, like everybody just played one

1080
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: way and if you just fin that up, and I'm like,

1081
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: nah nah nah nah nah, I could.

1082
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: Go three about this. A long time ago I asked

1083
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: him about this. I said, man, what would you do?

1084
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: He said, I would run on the treadmill at whatever

1085
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: fifteen speed, Sprange friends Spressman.

1086
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 4: His sprint and this just go make one shot because

1087
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 4: I know I needed to make that shot. And it's

1088
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: a dude that.

1089
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Speaker 1: Made a three with one shoe on, but he already

1090
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: grinded and worked so hard. He didn't get the luxury

1091
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: to go in the gym and just shoot lazy, and

1092
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: he was a hard worker. So the same thing with Ray.

1093
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: Ray said he would run so many sprints before he

1094
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: took one shot. Who in today's time is going to

1095
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: go through that level of training to make yourself uncomfortable

1096
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: to make one shot when you know you can get

1097
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: fifteen threes.

1098
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 4: They can get fifteen threes. If a young Mike.

1099
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Speaker 1: Miller comes out right now, I'm competing him against anybody

1100
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: for the all time three point record. Getting fifteen threes

1101
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: up a game that's just honest truth. I'm not knocking anybody,

1102
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: but it's he was great at what he did with

1103
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: As he got older, he had limited touches, but he

1104
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: had to make all those joints count. And every time

1105
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: he released it, you thought it was going in. But

1106
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: that's so different back then than now. It's just it's different.

1107
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Speaker 5: I mean, they had different habits. It was just the

1108
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 5: habits that.

1109
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: He said, preparations. How as coaching and stuff routines in preparation,

1110
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: He's right, like a guy goes in and noses shooting

1111
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: twelve of them a game, there's no urgency on the

1112
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: shot you're taking. The story he's telling is I got

1113
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: sick of getting that two or three threes a game

1114
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: in the crowd, like I saw I was on that treadmill.

1115
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: I had to put value in that one or two

1116
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: threes I was getting.

1117
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 4: You had to make them, well, who's gonna do that?

1118
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: Who's gonna put there?

1119
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: You had enough pride to be like, if I'm not

1120
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: making these joint I got to get myself in position

1121
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Speaker 1: to make what kind of pride is going on?

1122
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Speaker 2: No doubt? With that, no doubt, Well we got the faster, stronger, longer.

1123
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Speaker 2: guard Big do in the NBA today? Fox Wimby jokes

1126
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Speaker 2: Murray Harden's Zubat hero Obam ant go go Bear share Chet,

1127
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Speaker 2: I'm going to Murray and Choker.

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Speaker 1: It's just high i Q know how to play the game.

1129
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: Both can pass, both can make a trade, both can

1130
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: score on all every level. It's just it's a hard

1131
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Speaker 1: duo to stop, bro, and I'm not knocking it.

1132
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Speaker 4: Obviously. Everybody else is definitely nice, but they're not nicer

1133
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Speaker 4: than them too.

1134
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Speaker 3: That is unstoppable. I've seen the first hand. I've seen

1135
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: the first hand from them. Yeah, I've seen the first

1136
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: hand in the finals. And you know, we're we're accustomed

1137
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: to switching. When it's Bam and Jimmy, they can usually

1138
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: guard any pick and roll, and this pick and roll

1139
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: gave us hell when those to switch. Even with Bam

1140
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: switching on the Murray and obviously Jimmy switching on to Joker,

1141
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 3: it was just a tough, you know, tough, tough switch

1142
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: for us.

1143
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: And we know Bam can guard one through five strong enough,

1144
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: but man, it's just that's illegal that that duo.

1145
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fellas, I'm talking to y'all one more time. Nobody

1146
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,640
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1148
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1149
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1150
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Speaker 3: woman was waiting on me and she walked out the

1152
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Speaker 3: house and left. So don't make him wait. Stay ready,

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this because and this is what

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00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: I wanted to touch on. Some of the injuries that

1178
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: you had and all the things that you had to

1179
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: persevere through. Do you think that goes back to your

1180
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: upbringing where you was able to dig in mentally and

1181
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: get through some of that because of the grit and

1182
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: all the stuff that going back to Memphis and your

1183
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: grandma in the park. All that helped you get through

1184
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: the tough times where you was a millionaire.

1185
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: But you know what's so crazy, Yes, what helped me

1186
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: get through is what ruined my what end of my

1187
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: career because I was so tough minded. I was like,

1188
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play through this, and I was out there limping.

1189
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: If you watched me later when I started having surgeries,

1190
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: I would never fully heal.

1191
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

1192
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: I was just saying, at eighty percent, I'm as good

1193
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: as anybody. Let me just get out here and help

1194
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: my team. I never fully healed. That was a toughness

1195
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: that I got taught wow and being there for my teammates,

1196
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: and it really ruined my career because I didn't allow

1197
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: myself to fully heal. I felt embarrassed if I got

1198
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: to a point to where I could just run up

1199
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: and down the court. And I remember Chuck Dailey coming

1200
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: when I was doing rehab in Houston. I wasn't supposed

1201
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: to be back for another month.

1202
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: Bro.

1203
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: I cut my rehab short to play in the game

1204
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: in Houston, and I don't even know what my stats were.

1205
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: We won and I could barely walk out of the game.

1206
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: I came back early and I knew I couldn't go

1207
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: backwards from that point, so I just kept playing for

1208
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: the rest.

1209
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 4: Of the season.

1210
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: I just I did some things for the love of

1211
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: the game and love of my teammates and an organization

1212
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: that ended up ultimately costing me.

1213
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 4: But it's from the background. You just get through it.

1214
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: And one thing I found out, you just can't get

1215
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: through a knee injury, bro, No matter what, you got

1216
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: a heal fully. Especially with my game being explosive and

1217
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: being an athlete, I needed to fully heal and I

1218
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: never did. But yeah, my upbringing did help me to

1219
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: the point where I was just mentally tough enough to

1220
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: get out there and play through the pain.

1221
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 4: But it also hurt me because I never really fully healed.

1222
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: He's a sicko though, like the guy still plays five

1223
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: on five every day. I get it. He loves it.

1224
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: He loves it. Coach, We're gonna ask a couple of

1225
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: fan questions. Cool with that at Emil Grace, Uh, how

1226
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: do you I can answer this question, how do you

1227
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: see yourself at peak doing today's pacing Space Tile League?

1228
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: You gonna he's gonna age thirty five days.

1229
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't a three point shooter, but in today's time

1230
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: I would have been. I would have worked on it,

1231
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: and I'd be getting up twelve, twelve, thirteen threes a game.

1232
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: So this this era fits me.

1233
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: Just as as as much as the era that I

1234
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: played in, because there's so much space and if I

1235
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: have a five man, if I call the five man

1236
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: out and he switches on to me.

1237
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 5: Oh you're gonna kill him.

1238
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're I'm looking at k Cunningham and I'm looking

1239
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: at you coming up the left side of the floor.

1240
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 5: And if you got a small guard to play, get

1241
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 5: out of the way.

1242
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: You let him go to there. There's three players in

1243
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: the game right now that can be close. He'd average,

1244
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: and this because he doesn't want to talk about it.

1245
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: He'd everge thirty eleven and eight right now for.

1246
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 5: Sure, because you ain't switching No. Five onto him. And

1247
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 5: if he's coming down the side and you got six

1248
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 5: to two or whatever, we ain't running, go ahead and

1249
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 5: do your thing.

1250
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and make plays from that for sure, and make

1251
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 4: plays get too.

1252
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 5: We'll figure it out.

1253
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 4: It's all of us.

1254
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: It just for me.

1255
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: The way I played, I played more for this era

1256
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: than I did in my era, because it was like

1257
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: I was a fast paced guard even at six seven,

1258
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: just getting the ball up the court and pace and

1259
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: trying to get Nick and Dennis to run corners for

1260
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: space and horrace beat the trail. So we were kind

1261
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: of doing that in Orlando, even though Shaq was you know,

1262
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: in the paint. But when we're on a fast break,

1263
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: especially when we had Horace at the five and we

1264
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: brought like Donald Royal in, it was like we spaced

1265
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: the floor man and just played. So that was back then,

1266
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: So now I would definitely enjoy playing.

1267
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: I got question talk to me about the recruiting, and

1268
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: we talked about it earlier and the AAU and all

1269
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: of that that you gotta manage as a coach to

1270
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: put yourself in a good position.

1271
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I first came back, obviously I played AAU

1272
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: for the Memphis Y. When I came back, I connected

1273
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: with them and made Team Penny and started really coaching guys.

1274
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: And I found out early on the recruiting phase in

1275
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: the AAU was just like recruiting.

1276
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 4: Phase in college.

1277
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: You just got to try to talk guys and to

1278
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: come to your team, joining other guys and trying to

1279
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: piece together a team. I mean, Mike understands it's because

1280
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: of his AU program and you gotta really be good

1281
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: at it.

1282
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 4: That actually helped prepare me because.

1283
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: I was in the EYBL Nike eybl League, which was

1284
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: full of unbelievable coaches. They really coached the game to win.

1285
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't just some rec league that everybody was just

1286
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: getting shots up. These guys ran plays, ran different defensive

1287
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: zones and everything, so I really got prepared to recruit

1288
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: and to learn how to play against those zones. The

1289
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: press says all these different things, because in the NBA

1290
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: we didn't see any of that. So retiring and going

1291
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: right into that, I had to get my juices going

1292
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: on how to play zone, how to work against zone,

1293
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: how to work against presses, because we don't really, we

1294
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: don't press in the.

1295
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 4: League any of that. So it really helped prepare me.

1296
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: When I got to college and then the recruitment, it

1297
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: was much easier, honestly with Mike, because Mike is just

1298
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: great at it. He can get any kid on the

1299
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: phone at any time, get us in any front room,

1300
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: living room, or whatever, and we had our way and

1301
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: it was much easier for me, and that kind of

1302
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: jump started me on, you know, being where I am now,

1303
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: which I've been able to get some great, great pieces

1304
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: because of the coaches that I had, but especially because

1305
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: of Mike. Some of the biggest names God named guys

1306
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: that I've ever had came from having him here with

1307
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: me and recruiting. So but from my experience as a

1308
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: coach starting you know, middle school, going into the AAU

1309
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: and get into the eybl definitely helped me up until now.

1310
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: So it was like the grassroots leading up until this

1311
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 4: this I lead.

1312
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: It's kind of a follow up to that question, coach, Like,

1313
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: the thing I think you've done a really good job

1314
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: of is is going into now and getting a little

1315
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: older and a little more physical and going to your

1316
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: kind of brand and style. Right, Like you've done a

1317
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: great job the last couple of years. How hard is

1318
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: that though? On the Nils, you're basically recruiting your own

1319
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: team and other players every year. Like it's like at

1320
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: some point they're gonna to figure out how to Like,

1321
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: if you sign with us, you got to sign a

1322
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: multi year deal or something, because it's not fair. It's

1323
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: unfair to you guys, like you're changing your stuff, Like

1324
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: you have a style play that you want to play,

1325
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: but you might have to change that every year because

1326
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: you don't know who's even on your roster anymore.

1327
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you saying that there needs to

1328
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: be something with multiple years in the deal so that

1329
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: you just can't leave after one. They give you an

1330
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to build a team, which we can't do anymore,

1331
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: and you got to re recruit your own guys every year.

1332
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: Uh. You game, and you gave the platform to go

1333
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: out there and be like that, like if you didn't

1334
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: come here, you ain't doing that.

1335
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 4: In our system. It it kind of rewards no house

1336
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 4: like you know, it's like you can it's it's like

1337
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 4: free play, like.

1338
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: It's you can go out there and within it's pacing space, yes,

1339
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: and you're you're allowed.

1340
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: You're not in a box.

1341
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: I allow my guys to hoop because how can I

1342
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: tell them now the hoop when my coaches allowed me

1343
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: to hoop. So, but it hurts you when you have

1344
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: to re recruit the same guy that you just gave

1345
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: all of this, gave him this platform and it's much freedom,

1346
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: and then you have to go and re recruit them

1347
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: and they still get into portal and then you know,

1348
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: go to another school.

1349
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 4: That's the most difficult part about.

1350
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: I watched you do it. I watched you do it.

1351
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: You took three to four months to develop, build up

1352
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: their confidence, get it to where they're at. They kill

1353
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: it and I was like, Okay, so you want to

1354
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: go somewhere else. I don't know, Man, that's hard. It's hard.

1355
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we played the guy that gave us that

1356
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: platform and the guy that taught us we were going

1357
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: to stay at the show loyal tea to put.

1358
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 4: Us in the game.

1359
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: Another question here, if Shaq stays, does Orlando win a championship?

1360
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: Yes, that's without a doubt.

1361
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: I agree.

1362
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: I agree igut that the Orlando Magic would have put

1363
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: more pieces around us and we would have definitely would

1364
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: have won one.

1365
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 4: That's that's guaranteed. We would have won one for sure.

1366
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: I agree.

1367
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 5: I got a fan question, your time in Miami. Just

1368
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 5: talk about it.

1369
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: Obviously you were a seasoned veteran, but it was it

1370
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 3: different than anywhere else. Is anything you learn anything specific

1371
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 3: about the culture of your time there?

1372
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 4: Man? You know what?

1373
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: I love Miami, man, because even though I was a

1374
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: veteran that was on the way out, everything about it,

1375
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: what coach Roalley stood for was supposed to stood for

1376
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: what the whole entire culture stood for. Uh. I already

1377
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: had work ethic, I had discipline, I had all those things.

1378
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: I had to really try out for the team. I

1379
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: remember trying out for the team. You were down on

1380
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: the other end because you were just a hard worker.

1381
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: Bro.

1382
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: I respected you so much because you really didn't have

1383
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: to the stuff that you did, and it wasn't because

1384
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: of the culture of the heat. You were the heat.

1385
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: You were the culture. You brought you who you were

1386
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: to the culture. So that really drove me to be like,

1387
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: I can't let someone like ud down. I can't let

1388
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: somebody like Zoe down. I can't let these guys down

1389
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: because they're the epitome of hard work. So when I

1390
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: came in and worked out with spowing them and I

1391
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: was trying out and eventually had to make the team,

1392
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: I put my ego to the side. Even when we

1393
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: were hooping out at the high school together. It was

1394
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: like every single thing that I did, even though I

1395
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't myself, I was really trying to be

1396
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: a part of something special because I understood it as

1397
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: soon as I stepped in the door.

1398
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 4: From putting the elbow.

1399
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: Pads on and the knee pads to being disciplined enough

1400
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: to understand what this is about for everybody run the

1401
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: boat in the same direction. Accountability, responsibility, hard work. My

1402
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: few months with Miami was probably the most satisfying over everything,

1403
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: because I enjoyed the atmosphere of every freaking body in

1404
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: that building wanting to win, not one person not wanting

1405
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: to get a championship. That's what it was, or bust

1406
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: with Miami and the culture itself. I never had to

1407
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: work that hard anywhere else, even the preseason conditioning drill.

1408
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: I never had to work that hard anywhere else, from

1409
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: the preparation to just the every single thing from the expectations.

1410
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean in the league, it's just really when you

1411
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: go there, it's either your built for it or you're not.

1412
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: And I talked to Tim and Zoe about that even

1413
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: before I went. It was like, everybody's not built to

1414
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: be a Miami Heat player. And the guys that have

1415
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: come through there with the talent and the guys that

1416
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: have come through there that have made their name whether

1417
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: they were a no name, and then you was like

1418
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: this guy w wasn't on the map and Miami put

1419
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: him on the map. I really enjoyed my time there, man,

1420
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: because it was about business and Pat treated us like,

1421
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, first class, the hotels to every single thing.

1422
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 4: I loved it.

1423
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: Bro I just hated I wasn't able to be myself

1424
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: in the Miami Heat uniform because, man, when you put

1425
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: that jersey on, you had a lot of pride in

1426
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: understanding what it meant, and it was all about hard work.

1427
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: I haven't felt that type of environment and any other

1428
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: team that I've that I've ever played for, And that's

1429
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: just no knock. That's just how Pat put things in

1430
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: perspective and made it work.

1431
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: One last question for the kids, what was your training

1432
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: routine and how can I do it? As a freshman

1433
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: in high school?

1434
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 4: Man, you got to go to like six parks a day.

1435
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 4: You got to go to like three gyms.

1436
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: You got to chase all the good hoopers around your

1437
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: city and go from gym to gym or court to

1438
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: court and just keep getting better. You get your ass bus,

1439
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: you show back up at that court to say the

1440
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: next day, until you just start owning it. But honestly,

1441
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: if that's not about what you're about, you getting the

1442
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: gym and you find somebody that's better or equal, that

1443
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: has the same mental with you, and you go on

1444
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: that gym and y'all work. You know, you work on

1445
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: your weaknesses, you work on your strengths, You work on

1446
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: your ball hending. You work on your pass and you

1447
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: work on your shooting, and find some hooping, bro Like,

1448
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: find somewhere to play because all the drills are not

1449
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: going to get you.

1450
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 4: Experience.

1451
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: Is the best teacher. Find where they're playing ball and

1452
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: be the hardest competitor in that hoop. Don't just go

1453
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: through the motions in the hoop. Be the toughest competitor.

1454
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: Make them say, damn, this dude is playing hard. Stand

1455
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: out in that aspect because a lot of people aren't

1456
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: used to getting uncomfortable to be great, and that's what

1457
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: you have to be, man.

1458
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: You gotta get uncomfortable to be great.

1459
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,479
Speaker 3: I want to point out one thing that you said,

1460
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 3: and this is for all the kids at home or

1461
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 3: for anybody, everything that you accomplished, everything that you meant

1462
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: to the game individually as a cultural icon, the shoe,

1463
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 3: the little penny. You came and said that you tried

1464
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: out for the heat and made the team.

1465
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: Go to the SOD because I wanted. I wanted to

1466
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: play there, Bro, I tried, I could have gotten cut down.

1467
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: People need to wrap their mind around like that right there,

1468
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 3: because what people don't understand is what kind of sacrifice

1469
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 3: that takes how selfless.

1470
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: You have to be.

1471
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 5: You know, like that's not easy, you know what I'm saying.

1472
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,959
Speaker 3: And oftentimes we argue about roles, and you know, what's

1473
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 3: this person's role and what's that person's role, and whose

1474
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 3: role is more important? We have a penny harder who's

1475
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 3: willing to play whatever role he has to play in

1476
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: order to help the team win, Yes, sir, and I

1477
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 3: think that people don't speak on.

1478
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 5: Those things enough, you know what I'm saying.

1479
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 3: So, whether you knew it or not, we knew that

1480
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: you had to try out for that team, and we

1481
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: knew what you were sacrificing, and we knew the things

1482
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: that was important to you. So without you even saying it, Bro,

1483
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 3: we had the ultimate respect for you. And I'm not

1484
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: just saying that now. We were saying that then like

1485
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 3: this rially, like we were saying that then, like Hene

1486
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: made the money, he's had, the career, he's had, the

1487
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 3: individual success, he's had all these things. He just wants

1488
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 3: to be a part of what we doing. That says

1489
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 3: a lot about him. That says a lot about him.

1490
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: I think it's a good segue to the final question

1491
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 2: for me, what do you want your full legacy to

1492
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: be player. Coach.

1493
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: Man, I think it's just like you, he said. Man,

1494
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: I was a selfless athlete that wanted to do whatever

1495
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,959
Speaker 1: it take it took to win. I'm all about the team.

1496
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm all about the journey with the team. None of

1497
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: this was ever about me. Everything I've gotten individually has

1498
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: been because of a team. It's the same thing with coaching.

1499
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 1: I want to be known as a guy who helped

1500
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: people along the way. Coaches that they've helped me and

1501
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: I've helped them grow in the game and win championships.

1502
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: Because if you're in it, you want to win championships.

1503
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: And you guys already understand that. But at the end

1504
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: of the day, it's about team, man, That's what I

1505
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: want to be known for. Penny Hartow was a guy

1506
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: who as great as I was individually, I only cared

1507
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: about the team success.

1508
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 4: And that's basically what I want to be known for.

1509
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, man, I was saying.

1510
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: The coach coach, y'all, y'all both y'all both motivated me

1511
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: in different ways.

1512
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 4: Mike would come here and help me coaching, you d

1513
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 4: watching you work, Bro.

1514
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: Just honor to be on and uh, you know, just

1515
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: again to continued success to both y'all know, Mike grinding,

1516
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:28,839
Speaker 1: now you're grinding.

1517
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 4: Just continue success.

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Speaker 2: Well. Appreciate your coach. I'm telling you, blessed to be

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Speaker 2: keep that staff and to learn from you. And you're

1520
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Speaker 2: dope at dude man, unbelievable Hooper one of my favorites.

1521
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: So appreciate you spend the time with true.

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Speaker 5: Motivating So I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, yes, sir, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your brother, Thank you broke out yep

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Speaker 1: So blah mah mamma, blah mamah ma