WEBVTT - Carey Bennett 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:08.280 Hi, It's Carry Bennett and I was the costume signer 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:20.360 on the Office. Hello everyone, and welcome back to the 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.799 Office Deep Dive. I am your host Brian Baumgartner. Today, 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.920 Yes you just heard it, I am breaking on a 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:33.760 very important guest. Without her, there would be no mustard 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:40.879 colored shirts, no cat embroidered sweaters, no well, no sumo suits. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.360 That's right. Today's guest is the one and only Carrie Bennett, 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:53.040 costume designer extraordinaire for the Office. You guys, nobody committed 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:58.840 like Carrie Bennett, Nobody for costume research. She called up, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.640 hunted down, scouted a real life paper company just to 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.520 nail the looks. And it is not like she had 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.959 all the money in the world. No, she had a 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:15.920 tiny budget, but many many J. C. Penny suits. Now, 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.880 some people may think that the Office was just how 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.640 hard could that be? It's just suits and ties and 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:28.200 maybe a little awkward haircuts. No, Carrie made sure every 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:32.919 character was was individual. They had their own look, whether 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:39.440 it was Phyllis's purple tops or Michael's bizarre ties or 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:44.920 Dwight's aviator glasses. Personally, I was a little too aware 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.520 that Kevin never ever, ever took off his jacket even 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:55.000 when playing basketball. But hey, that's Carrie. So without further ado, 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.240 I would like to introduce you all to our amazing 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:09.120 costumes designer Carrie Bennett. Bubble and Squeak. I love it. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:16.480 Bubble and Squeaker, Bubble and squeaker cookie, every moment left 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:35.160 over from the nutty. Well, there she is, right, Carrie, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.000 how are you. It's so good to see you. Likewise, 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.919 Oh my gosh, how are you. I mean, I'm doing good. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:49.120 I'm great. Everybody's healthy on your end. Yeah, yeah, we've 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:57.600 somehow evaded any kind of cooties. Very good. Avoiding cooties 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.240 are good, especially after two years. I don't even know 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.840 how it's possible, right, Yeah, just just one day at 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.320 a time, One day at a time, that's right. So 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.720 you and I, Oh my gosh, this is so amazing 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.600 because in preparation to talk to you, I remember so 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.799 many of our conversations back in what do you call 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.600 it a trail? The trailer the costume trailer? Is that right? Yeah? 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.160 We have like a like a trailer in the parking lot. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.280 A trailer in the parking was our headquarters. Yeah, it's 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.480 maximum glamour. Well that's the television. Right, everybody thinks that 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:43.040 it's glamorous, but it's really not. Is that Is that 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.240 what you dreamed of when you were a child, that 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:52.880 kind of glamour in television? Um? So I saw, because 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.360 well I researched you. I've got a team researching there's 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:01.080 so many people researching it. You went to cal Arts 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.120 I did, which I know what cal arts is. So 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.760 I assume at an early age you were interested in 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.720 the arts. Now was costume design what you wanted to 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:17.160 do early on? Yeah? You know, Actually my undergrad degree 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:22.400 is in dance. And during that time I worked in 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.200 the costume shop and I always sewed. I just always 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.280 like crafty. And I had a teacher there that was like, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.800 you have the best energy for working in television. She 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.880 planted that seed. And um So, when I graduated as 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.840 a dancer and had like injuries all the time, and 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.800 I was like, is this my life? Is this what 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.120 I'm going to do? Going to be in physical therapy forever? Um? 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.080 And I you know, I had sort of like this 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.520 little bit of a costume base that I had been 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.919 doing dance productions and stuff, and I put together the 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:01.360 most hilarious lame portfolio anybody out there who wants to 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.320 be a costume designer shouldn't look at my portfolio because 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.920 I did not have to draw at that point. Um, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.080 but I just put it out there, and I got 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.520 into cal Arts as a grad student, and oh my god, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.359 it was the best thing I ever did. It was 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.359 so great. I learned all the stuff. They have an 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.920 amazing theater program there and just gave me the confidence 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.200 to be like, oh, you know what I'm talking about. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.680 Now I can draw, and I can I can sew 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:35.320 and design concepts and here we go. Right, So you 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:41.480 were a dancer who had designed costumes for dance recitals? 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.960 Is that what you That's the word, right, recitals? And 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.440 then you were like, I'm gonna make a change. You 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.680 do a portfolio, you apply to cal ARD's get in 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.120 as a costume designer. Is that? Is that what you 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.119 got in? You got in? Is that? And you didn't 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.279 know how to draw? Barely? Right? It sounds like every 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.400 single person journey on the office, everybody who got to 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.200 the office actually didn't know what they were doing in 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.800 a traditional sense before it happened. Well, I mean, the 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.560 thing is like, there's a long journey between that and 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.920 getting on the office though for sure, right, No, I 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.400 know that. I just I joke because well, there's so 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.320 many people, right. So Claire Scanlon, our editor, had never 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.040 edited scripted television before Randall Einhorn matt Son. They had 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:35.440 never shot, not even to speak of directing scripted television 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.000 before Phillis, who was not an actor when she started. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.239 I mean so that that I don't know that theme, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.599 there's something, there's something there right, well you know what? 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.120 And here, yes, and I know what it is. Actually, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.960 what that is is the fear of not being able 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.159 to pull it off and the earnestness of like getting 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.440 it right, Like, Okay, I got I was given this job, 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.400 I'm gonna do it. I'm going to figure it out. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.200 I'm going to do it to the best of my ability. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.719 And I feel like that that incredible earnestness we all 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:12.440 had for wanting it to be authentic and to really 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.160 you know, get the details right and stuff like I mean, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.280 I can say it now as a you know, I 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.440 still strive for that, but like I'm older and you know, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.560 I've done it, and I don't know that I dig 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.440 that deeply into it. I mean, my the preparation and 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.760 the research that I did to accomplish my work on 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.119 the Office is legendary in my career. Oh my god, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.480 well I really want to hear about that. But I 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.840 want to I want to start where you and my 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.120 relationships started, not that I worked on the show, but 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.560 I we discussed a lot about it. You're the designer 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.520 on Scrubs for a long period of time. I find 0:07:54.600 --> 0:08:01.440 that so interesting because the characters on Scrubs are very 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:08.520 easily identifiable by their wardrobe. However, they're all wearing scrubs, right, 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.360 most of them are all wearing the same thing, and 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.360 so you know in leading up to the office, not 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.920 that that was your not that that was your rehearsal, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.520 but I find it very interesting that you were able 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:26.960 to find unique looks based in character for people who 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.000 were largely wearing the same thing. Can you talk to 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.840 me a little bit about Scrubs and your experience there. God, 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.640 you are You're amazing. You've done your research. Thank you 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:39.160 so much for recognizing that, because yeah, that is where 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.800 the real magic comes from, and that is where my 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:48.400 research is the golden ticket there. Because on Scrubs, I 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.240 went with our director Adam Bernstein on the pilot. We 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.160 went to a hospital downtown in downtown l A. It's 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.080 kind of a little bit of a scary um the 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:03.440 Scarier hospital, And we had a tour and um, I 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.160 wasn't allowed to take photographs, but I had my little 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.400 notepad there and I mean, I just I just drank 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.440 it in because I never assume that I know what 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.080 I'm talking about, because I feel like that's where it 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:21.240 looks cheesy, like, oh, doctors where this? But there were 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.240 so many details that I gleaned from that, and so 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.640 many characters that I witnessed and saw them working and 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.200 saw their little details and saw, you know, like the 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.640 Doug character that I saw a guy like wearing a 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.800 Fannie pack with his water bottle attached to it. He 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.360 had like his his personal gear, you know, not like 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.600 his works, like his stethoscope and stuff like that. He 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.880 had his person like he was like a commando in 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:51.680 the yeah, like he had his stuff. And I thought 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.000 that was fascinating. And so that that to me, that 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.439 is like I considered the bulk of my work is 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.760 getting into the NATI ready and taking those pictures. If 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.920 I can't take pictures, I'm constantly taking pictures of people 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.840 on the street I'm sorry everybody out there, I'm sneaking 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.440 a picture of you. My grandma taught me how to 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.880 do that. Like she she was a painter, and she 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.120 one time taught me at the airport. She's like, oh, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.640 see those cute ladies over there, I'm gonna paint them, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.840 but first I need to get a photograph of them. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.240 And here's how you do that. You put your camera 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.280 down at your hip and you aim it at them, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.560 and you look the other direction and you take a picture. Yeah. Well, listen, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.280 let me tell you something. I can speak from personal experience. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.520 I know now that they're taking a picture of that, right, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.400 We'll see. Now it's different. It sounds creepy now, right, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.360 But I mean the thing is, like, as far as 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.640 research goes, like, that's the thing, and it's just because 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.440 I truly want to honor the special mojo that that 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.000 person has, Like I want to get those details right, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.480 because that's what really makes a difference. And that's what 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.000 really shows when everyone's wearing the scrubs or when everyone 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.880 is wearing suits and ties, Like how do you make 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.200 that look different? Like how do you you know? That's 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.040 that's the real challenge, you know. I was thinking about 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:15.040 it last night. Not to go too deeply personal, but 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.000 my my dad was a doctor and worked at a 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.320 at a hospital research hospital, and so as a kid, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.800 I thought, oh, this is what doctors were, right, Like 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:33.800 he had slacks, button down shirt tie and his white 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.640 lab coat and so like my brain as a child went, oh, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:44.240 that's that's what doctors were, right. And then later on, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.200 and I was thinking about this last night, I realized, like, no, 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.440 that's not exactly what all doctors were, right, this is 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:56.480 what my dad wore, and what he wore and how 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:01.200 he dressed affect people's impression of him who he was 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.800 as a character, because even in that uniform, I think 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:09.240 to your point, like, there is an individuality and you're 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.800 either delivering a message or a message is set based 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.160 on on what you're wearing. But I think, you know, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.120 really what's interesting for me is it sounds like for 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:23.120 you it's about character, right, So the wardrobe is defined 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:27.880 by by that, right, and that's in collaboration with the writer. Absolutely, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.560 I mean, that's that's the whole process. And it's funny, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.720 like I just want to clarify, like, because I this 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.480 is so ran. This never happens to me it probably 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.680 happens to you all the time, but they hadn't approached 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.400 me at a restaurant. Was like, I never, it never 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.720 happens to me. But we had a conversation about the 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.280 Office and doing costumes for it, and he was like, oh, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.120 so you did the Gym's three Whole Punch costume for 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.280 Halloween and the Ben Franklin Think And I was like, no, no, no, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.320 no no. Every single thing that every single person wears 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.280 is designed, and it's thought through from the reading of 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.079 the script figuring out who those people are, what their 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.240 backstory is. There's input from the producers, there's input from 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.800 the writers, there's input from the directors, and of course 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.679 the most important, incredible input is from the actor who's 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.600 thinking it through like how they want to do it. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.040 So I've always thought of myself as sort of like 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:26.200 the filter, like I taken all that information and filter 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.720 it down to something that makes sense quickly. As soon 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.520 as you see those characters on the screen, you have 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.440 to sort of get a feeling of who they are, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.800 where they shot. I mean, their clothing is what broadcasts 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.240 where they're coming from, kind of you know, and yet 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.760 you don't want it to broadcast too much. You don't 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.880 want it to be like, oh, you know, you want 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.400 it to be subtle. So so yeah, so it's it's 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.880 all that well, and I think on Scrubs on the 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.240 Office as well, Right, there's um, well, specifically the Office, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:03.160 it's about creating real people and sort of a reality. 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:08.200 So yeah, it's not about indicating certain things. It's about 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.520 sort of getting at the essence. Okay, so getting into 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:17.480 the office. So I read I didn't remember this. You 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.800 started working on the Office during a hiatus of Scrubs, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.320 Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, I did the two shows 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.640 for four years. I did. I did both shows at 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:31.320 the same time, which, in retrospect was insanity insane that 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.720 how could you possibly do? I mean, is not a 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.800 small cast show either. By the way, in case you 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:44.640 didn't remember, there were a lot of characters there. Um 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.800 we had what sixteen eighteen twenty, I don't know how 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.040 many people you were war drobing on a weekly basis, Oh, 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.840 like so many. It was a lot. It was completely 0:14:54.840 --> 0:15:01.120 fueled by uh, Starbucks. It was you know, it just 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.440 worked out perfectly. It was such that like our studio 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.520 was there in the valley and Scrubs was kind of 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.520 you know, a few blocks away and they're literally like, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.480 I'm not kidding. There was a Starbucks in between, and 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.480 I would just go back and forth all day long. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.160 I would stop at Starbucks, grab a coffee, read my script. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.840 I don't remember ever sleeping, right, I'm sure not. I 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.520 think I was doing seventy hour weeks on both shows. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:48.760 Oh my god, that's not that, it's not insane. So 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.480 when you started work on the office, it's not everybody 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.800 in scrubs, right, but it's everybody in business attire. What 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:03.400 was your process for trying to again give some specificity 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:08.320 and individuality to the characters there through what would on 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.520 the outside again being like, oh, this is just what 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.400 you wear to work? Yeah, well, once again, I started 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.560 my whole process like, I have no idea what I'm 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.600 talking about. I never worked in an office myself, so 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.480 I just and it's like, you know, it's going back 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:25.840 to the thing. It's like a little bit of fear, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.240 like how am I going to get this right? So 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:33.000 I always start my research like trying to get myself 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.440 on the ground somewhere where I can immerse myself and 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.600 see what it really looks like. And um, I don't know. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.400 I talked to the ladies on office ladies that they 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.080 had never heard the story. They had no idea. I 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.080 found a paper company in Glendale here at my next 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.400 little town over, and I invited myself over there. I 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.040 spoke to the owner and I was like, Hey, I'm 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.200 doing this show, I'm researching. Would it be okay if 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.240 I came over and just added with you and just 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.880 you could just give me a tour. And I got 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.359 there and oh my god, Bryant, it was beyond amazing. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.720 It was so awesome. All the characters were there, all 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.560 the look of it was there. It was stunning. And 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.040 it had some similarities to the UK version, like they 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.679 had that fish on the wall, that fish on the 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:27.240 plaque that they had that, and I was like, really 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:32.000 big mouth bath or something. Yes, yes, yes. So they 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.680 were so wonderful and kind and let me take pictures 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.120 and I talked to everybody in there and got such 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.280 an incredible vibe from I took a thousand pictures. I 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.639 put them in a little slide show. I put a 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.320 little music to it, little Welcome to the Working Week, 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:53.600 and I brought it back and I showed Greg and 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:59.439 he was like, what is this? Where is this, you 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.879 will take me back here. You can take me to 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.440 this place. So we went back. We went with our DP, 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.680 and we went with our production designer and we all 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.200 went back there and filmed everything. And I think I 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.560 started a relationship with them, Like we used all of 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.320 their paper products. It was just such a vibe and 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.160 I think they still exist. I actually saw their truck 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.639 the other day. I don't want to say their name 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:29.639 because I don't, but that's amazing. It was amazing, and 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.000 so that's what gives me a touchstone. Like I referred 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.520 back to those pictures so many times, like when I 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.040 don't know, when I was tired and I was like 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.159 trying to figure out my umpty character, like new person 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.159 coming in that had to be a regular person, that 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.879 had to be different than the last regular person. You know. 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.640 It's like I had that little touchstone that I could 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.639 go back to and go like, oh, yeah, remember that 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.080 little detail or the way they wore their pants, or 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.840 when I first went it was like their casual Friday 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:03.720 um and guy there that was my dwite inspiration. He 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.720 was wearing like a T shirt with a wolf on 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.240 it that day that I went, and I was like, oh, 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:20.280 I that is amazing. But that's and that's what I'm saying, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.080 Like I feel like back in the day, like that's 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.639 that like that extems from like sort of my fear 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.439 of not getting it right right, So I was like, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:34.640 I gotta get some concrete visuals and that's insane. Yeah. Well, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.200 and you know that's exactly what John Krasinski did too, right, 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.359 I mean that's literally exactly what he did. He was 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.480 in New York. I mean, he lived in New York 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.399 and was like, well, Scrans only two hours away, I 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.720 guess I should go see it. And he went to 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.280 pen Paper there and started talking to the people who 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.080 worked at the paper company there. Oh my god, I 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.879 didn't know that. Yeah, he went to That's so amazing. 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.640 I didn't do that. I didn't go to a paper company, 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:12.840 to be clear, I didn't. I didn't do that. Um 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.879 but I but I find that really interesting that that 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.600 a real person, Yeah, inspired that. I mean, Dwight's a 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.280 great example, right, Like, on the one hand, it's work attire, 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:30.879 but those mustard shirts and you know, almost gives it. 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.560 I don't even know that I've ever articulated this before, 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.680 but almost a militaristic look in a weird way that 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:43.560 color and very straight lace that's interesting well, and to 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.800 like a lot of his look. You know. Another thing 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:53.400 that I really dedicated myself too was shopping where these 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.639 people would shop. Oh, like, that's the trickiest thing in Hollywood, 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.560 because like there's so much magic that goes into like 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:04.720 just a basic T shirt. You know, like there cut 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.679 every different magical way with magical fabric to make actors 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.040 look amazing. But I was like, you know what, we 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.040 need to shop people's shop, And so I did a 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.800 lot of J. C. Penney, which I don't know if 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.280 they still do it, but at the time, it is 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.240 amazing deal where you could get if you were like 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.880 a working guy, you go and get your suit outfit 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.960 there and it would have a suit, a shirt, a tie, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.399 a belt, and maybe the socks. The socks and it 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.200 was like a whole one price, like a hundred bucks. 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.359 And I was like, that is so awesome, Like that's 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.159 that's exactly what I would do if I was this 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:42.960 guy working in office, I would go like get my 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.359 three suit outfits. And we all said, well, they had 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:51.320 those amazing colored suits like the olive green and that 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.679 ochre and that sort of putty color, and it just 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.560 started to make a story for me and yeah, I 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.080 don't know, I just ran with it and it just 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.000 suited him so well. And yeah, it did have kind 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.400 of like a little we always toyed with the fact 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.919 that he that he was kind of enamored with military 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:17.280 or sort of German heritage and like, yeah, how much 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:21.080 how much did you collaborate with rain on Dwight? Oh 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:27.720 my gosh. He was so good at giving specific input 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.440 and and he was always the one that would call 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.280 me and go, hey, I think I wear a hat 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.359 in this episode. Could it be this? Or like, what 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.240 do you think about this? Or he always had some 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.000 kind of really great insight, and then we would just 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.040 kind of hash it out together, like with this work 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:49.360 and this, let's try this, and um, yeah he's tuned 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:54.040 in to the subtleties and thinking about it, and yeah, 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.560 I always had a special take on it. Yeah, it's 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:00.119 really fun and easy to collaborate with. Yeah, I know, 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:04.119 what's so funny you just said that. I remember we 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:08.480 had a big deal with the hat, you and I 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:14.000 because it was Kevin when his band got established and 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.600 we were looking for something that would be like this 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.199 is what this is like the cape right of a superhero. 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.879 This is what he puts on when he's in the band. 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.400 And we had this hat, and I think we both 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.119 loved this hat and it was there early on. And 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.560 then the hat vanished. I don't know if you remember this. 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:37.439 The hat left. It went away, like we don't No 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.000 one knows ever where it went. And so then it 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.840 was like this whole thing and I'm sure I was 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.440 such a pain in the ass. I was like, we 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.399 were look, you guys brought in like seventy hats and 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:52.440 I was like, no, no, it's not that it has 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.160 to be because it was like, oh, you mean, I say, 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.080 like it got lost, like it actually got like, yes, 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:02.240 like it vanished. It was like it went away. And 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.760 you know, we didn't do the the Scrantn City stuff 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.920 that often, so you know, I don't remember how long 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:09.320 it had been. It had been a year, it had 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.120 been whatever. And I know everybody keeps everything and it's 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:16.439 all documented, but somehow this hat vanished. Yeah, there was 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.240 a big deal about that. Um but I remember for 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.199 Kevin and you and I talked a lot about this 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.880 at the time that on a tradition, let's just call 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:32.160 it a traditional sitcom. There is a way that Kevin 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:39.359 would have been wardrobed right, and it probably would have 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:46.760 included food on his clothes, very messy, slovenly, like, not 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.920 able to keep his shirt tucked in, like various things. 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:52.800 And you know, well, one of the things that I'm 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.720 really proud of about the show is that we were 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:59.240 really trying to create real people and within that there 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:03.760 are there are contradictions within what you would expect and 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:05.879 and you know what's written on the page and what 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.719 the actual person would do. And I remember you and 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.360 I we spent a lot of time. Look, it wasn't 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:17.000 like he was going to Sacks or Barney's or Marcus, 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.080 but it was like, no, he's gonna make his best 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.879 effort and things might be a little off. Um. We 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:25.800 explored a little bit early on. I don't know if 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.399 you remember with his tie being a little bit shorter 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:32.520 than it should be, um, but that he was always 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.959 doing his best effort and so much so that I 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.800 was like, he wants to be put together. And one 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:42.840 of the things we talked about was Kevin always wore 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.000