Speaker 1: Hi, It's Carry Bennett and I was the costume signer
Speaker 1: on the Office. Hello everyone, and welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Office Deep Dive. I am your host Brian Baumgartner. Today,
Speaker 1: Yes you just heard it, I am breaking on a
Speaker 1: very important guest. Without her, there would be no mustard
Speaker 1: colored shirts, no cat embroidered sweaters, no well, no sumo suits.
Speaker 1: That's right. Today's guest is the one and only Carrie Bennett,
Speaker 1: costume designer extraordinaire for the Office. You guys, nobody committed
Speaker 1: like Carrie Bennett, Nobody for costume research. She called up,
Speaker 1: hunted down, scouted a real life paper company just to
Speaker 1: nail the looks. And it is not like she had
Speaker 1: all the money in the world. No, she had a
Speaker 1: tiny budget, but many many J. C. Penny suits. Now,
Speaker 1: some people may think that the Office was just how
Speaker 1: hard could that be? It's just suits and ties and
Speaker 1: maybe a little awkward haircuts. No, Carrie made sure every
Speaker 1: character was was individual. They had their own look, whether
Speaker 1: it was Phyllis's purple tops or Michael's bizarre ties or
Speaker 1: Dwight's aviator glasses. Personally, I was a little too aware
Speaker 1: that Kevin never ever, ever took off his jacket even
Speaker 1: when playing basketball. But hey, that's Carrie. So without further ado,
Speaker 1: I would like to introduce you all to our amazing
Speaker 1: costumes designer Carrie Bennett. Bubble and Squeak. I love it.
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeaker, Bubble and squeaker cookie, every moment left
Speaker 1: over from the nutty. Well, there she is, right, Carrie,
Speaker 1: how are you. It's so good to see you. Likewise,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how are you. I mean, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: I'm great. Everybody's healthy on your end. Yeah, yeah, we've
Speaker 1: somehow evaded any kind of cooties. Very good. Avoiding cooties
Speaker 1: are good, especially after two years. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how it's possible, right, Yeah, just just one day at
Speaker 1: a time, One day at a time, that's right. So
Speaker 1: you and I, Oh my gosh, this is so amazing
Speaker 1: because in preparation to talk to you, I remember so
Speaker 1: many of our conversations back in what do you call
Speaker 1: it a trail? The trailer the costume trailer? Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We have like a like a trailer in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: A trailer in the parking was our headquarters. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: maximum glamour. Well that's the television. Right, everybody thinks that
Speaker 1: it's glamorous, but it's really not. Is that Is that
Speaker 1: what you dreamed of when you were a child, that
Speaker 1: kind of glamour in television? Um? So I saw, because
Speaker 1: well I researched you. I've got a team researching there's
Speaker 1: so many people researching it. You went to cal Arts
Speaker 1: I did, which I know what cal arts is. So
Speaker 1: I assume at an early age you were interested in
Speaker 1: the arts. Now was costume design what you wanted to
Speaker 1: do early on? Yeah? You know, Actually my undergrad degree
Speaker 1: is in dance. And during that time I worked in
Speaker 1: the costume shop and I always sewed. I just always
Speaker 1: like crafty. And I had a teacher there that was like,
Speaker 1: you have the best energy for working in television. She
Speaker 1: planted that seed. And um So, when I graduated as
Speaker 1: a dancer and had like injuries all the time, and
Speaker 1: I was like, is this my life? Is this what
Speaker 1: I'm going to do? Going to be in physical therapy forever? Um?
Speaker 1: And I you know, I had sort of like this
Speaker 1: little bit of a costume base that I had been
Speaker 1: doing dance productions and stuff, and I put together the
Speaker 1: most hilarious lame portfolio anybody out there who wants to
Speaker 1: be a costume designer shouldn't look at my portfolio because
Speaker 1: I did not have to draw at that point. Um,
Speaker 1: but I just put it out there, and I got
Speaker 1: into cal Arts as a grad student, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was the best thing I ever did. It was
Speaker 1: so great. I learned all the stuff. They have an
Speaker 1: amazing theater program there and just gave me the confidence
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Now I can draw, and I can I can sew
Speaker 1: and design concepts and here we go. Right, So you
Speaker 1: were a dancer who had designed costumes for dance recitals?
Speaker 1: Is that what you That's the word, right, recitals? And
Speaker 1: then you were like, I'm gonna make a change. You
Speaker 1: do a portfolio, you apply to cal ARD's get in
Speaker 1: as a costume designer. Is that? Is that what you
Speaker 1: got in? You got in? Is that? And you didn't
Speaker 1: know how to draw? Barely? Right? It sounds like every
Speaker 1: single person journey on the office, everybody who got to
Speaker 1: the office actually didn't know what they were doing in
Speaker 1: a traditional sense before it happened. Well, I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing is like, there's a long journey between that and
Speaker 1: getting on the office though for sure, right, No, I
Speaker 1: know that. I just I joke because well, there's so
Speaker 1: many people, right. So Claire Scanlon, our editor, had never
Speaker 1: edited scripted television before Randall Einhorn matt Son. They had
Speaker 1: never shot, not even to speak of directing scripted television
Speaker 1: before Phillis, who was not an actor when she started.
Speaker 1: I mean so that that I don't know that theme,
Speaker 1: there's something, there's something there right, well you know what?
Speaker 1: And here, yes, and I know what it is. Actually,
Speaker 1: what that is is the fear of not being able
Speaker 1: to pull it off and the earnestness of like getting
Speaker 1: it right, Like, Okay, I got I was given this job,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it to the best of my ability.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that that incredible earnestness we all
Speaker 1: had for wanting it to be authentic and to really
Speaker 1: you know, get the details right and stuff like I mean,
Speaker 1: I can say it now as a you know, I
Speaker 1: still strive for that, but like I'm older and you know,
Speaker 1: I've done it, and I don't know that I dig
Speaker 1: that deeply into it. I mean, my the preparation and
Speaker 1: the research that I did to accomplish my work on
Speaker 1: the Office is legendary in my career. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: well I really want to hear about that. But I
Speaker 1: want to I want to start where you and my
Speaker 1: relationships started, not that I worked on the show, but
Speaker 1: I we discussed a lot about it. You're the designer
Speaker 1: on Scrubs for a long period of time. I find
Speaker 1: that so interesting because the characters on Scrubs are very
Speaker 1: easily identifiable by their wardrobe. However, they're all wearing scrubs, right,
Speaker 1: most of them are all wearing the same thing, and
Speaker 1: so you know in leading up to the office, not
Speaker 1: that that was your not that that was your rehearsal,
Speaker 1: but I find it very interesting that you were able
Speaker 1: to find unique looks based in character for people who
Speaker 1: were largely wearing the same thing. Can you talk to
Speaker 1: me a little bit about Scrubs and your experience there. God,
Speaker 1: you are You're amazing. You've done your research. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for recognizing that, because yeah, that is where
Speaker 1: the real magic comes from, and that is where my
Speaker 1: research is the golden ticket there. Because on Scrubs, I
Speaker 1: went with our director Adam Bernstein on the pilot. We
Speaker 1: went to a hospital downtown in downtown l A. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of a scary um the
Speaker 1: Scarier hospital, And we had a tour and um, I
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to take photographs, but I had my little
Speaker 1: notepad there and I mean, I just I just drank
Speaker 1: it in because I never assume that I know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, because I feel like that's where it
Speaker 1: looks cheesy, like, oh, doctors where this? But there were
Speaker 1: so many details that I gleaned from that, and so
Speaker 1: many characters that I witnessed and saw them working and
Speaker 1: saw their little details and saw, you know, like the
Speaker 1: Doug character that I saw a guy like wearing a
Speaker 1: Fannie pack with his water bottle attached to it. He
Speaker 1: had like his his personal gear, you know, not like
Speaker 1: his works, like his stethoscope and stuff like that. He
Speaker 1: had his person like he was like a commando in
Speaker 1: the yeah, like he had his stuff. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was fascinating. And so that that to me, that
Speaker 1: is like I considered the bulk of my work is
Speaker 1: getting into the NATI ready and taking those pictures. If
Speaker 1: I can't take pictures, I'm constantly taking pictures of people
Speaker 1: on the street I'm sorry everybody out there, I'm sneaking
Speaker 1: a picture of you. My grandma taught me how to
Speaker 1: do that. Like she she was a painter, and she
Speaker 1: one time taught me at the airport. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: see those cute ladies over there, I'm gonna paint them,
Speaker 1: but first I need to get a photograph of them.
Speaker 1: And here's how you do that. You put your camera
Speaker 1: down at your hip and you aim it at them,
Speaker 1: and you look the other direction and you take a picture. Yeah. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I can speak from personal experience.
Speaker 1: I know now that they're taking a picture of that, right,
Speaker 1: We'll see. Now it's different. It sounds creepy now, right,
Speaker 1: But I mean the thing is, like, as far as
Speaker 1: research goes, like, that's the thing, and it's just because
Speaker 1: I truly want to honor the special mojo that that
Speaker 1: person has, Like I want to get those details right,
Speaker 1: because that's what really makes a difference. And that's what
Speaker 1: really shows when everyone's wearing the scrubs or when everyone
Speaker 1: is wearing suits and ties, Like how do you make
Speaker 1: that look different? Like how do you you know? That's
Speaker 1: that's the real challenge, you know. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it last night. Not to go too deeply personal, but
Speaker 1: my my dad was a doctor and worked at a
Speaker 1: at a hospital research hospital, and so as a kid,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, this is what doctors were, right, Like
Speaker 1: he had slacks, button down shirt tie and his white
Speaker 1: lab coat and so like my brain as a child went, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's what doctors were, right. And then later on,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this last night, I realized, like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not exactly what all doctors were, right, this is
Speaker 1: what my dad wore, and what he wore and how
Speaker 1: he dressed affect people's impression of him who he was
Speaker 1: as a character, because even in that uniform, I think
Speaker 1: to your point, like, there is an individuality and you're
Speaker 1: either delivering a message or a message is set based
Speaker 1: on on what you're wearing. But I think, you know,
Speaker 1: really what's interesting for me is it sounds like for
Speaker 1: you it's about character, right, So the wardrobe is defined
Speaker 1: by by that, right, and that's in collaboration with the writer. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the whole process. And it's funny,
Speaker 1: like I just want to clarify, like, because I this
Speaker 1: is so ran. This never happens to me it probably
Speaker 1: happens to you all the time, but they hadn't approached
Speaker 1: me at a restaurant. Was like, I never, it never
Speaker 1: happens to me. But we had a conversation about the
Speaker 1: Office and doing costumes for it, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you did the Gym's three Whole Punch costume for
Speaker 1: Halloween and the Ben Franklin Think And I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Every single thing that every single person wears
Speaker 1: is designed, and it's thought through from the reading of
Speaker 1: the script figuring out who those people are, what their
Speaker 1: backstory is. There's input from the producers, there's input from
Speaker 1: the writers, there's input from the directors, and of course
Speaker 1: the most important, incredible input is from the actor who's
Speaker 1: thinking it through like how they want to do it.
Speaker 1: So I've always thought of myself as sort of like
Speaker 1: the filter, like I taken all that information and filter
Speaker 1: it down to something that makes sense quickly. As soon
Speaker 1: as you see those characters on the screen, you have
Speaker 1: to sort of get a feeling of who they are,
Speaker 1: where they shot. I mean, their clothing is what broadcasts
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, kind of you know, and yet
Speaker 1: you don't want it to broadcast too much. You don't
Speaker 1: want it to be like, oh, you know, you want
Speaker 1: it to be subtle. So so yeah, so it's it's
Speaker 1: all that well, and I think on Scrubs on the
Speaker 1: Office as well, Right, there's um, well, specifically the Office,
Speaker 1: it's about creating real people and sort of a reality.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not about indicating certain things. It's about
Speaker 1: sort of getting at the essence. Okay, so getting into
Speaker 1: the office. So I read I didn't remember this. You
Speaker 1: started working on the Office during a hiatus of Scrubs,
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, I did the two shows
Speaker 1: for four years. I did. I did both shows at
Speaker 1: the same time, which, in retrospect was insanity insane that
Speaker 1: how could you possibly do? I mean, is not a
Speaker 1: small cast show either. By the way, in case you
Speaker 1: didn't remember, there were a lot of characters there. Um
Speaker 1: we had what sixteen eighteen twenty, I don't know how
Speaker 1: many people you were war drobing on a weekly basis, Oh,
Speaker 1: like so many. It was a lot. It was completely
Speaker 1: fueled by uh, Starbucks. It was you know, it just
Speaker 1: worked out perfectly. It was such that like our studio
Speaker 1: was there in the valley and Scrubs was kind of
Speaker 1: you know, a few blocks away and they're literally like,
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. There was a Starbucks in between, and
Speaker 1: I would just go back and forth all day long.
Speaker 1: I would stop at Starbucks, grab a coffee, read my script.
Speaker 1: I don't remember ever sleeping, right, I'm sure not. I
Speaker 1: think I was doing seventy hour weeks on both shows.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's not that, it's not insane. So
Speaker 1: when you started work on the office, it's not everybody
Speaker 1: in scrubs, right, but it's everybody in business attire. What
Speaker 1: was your process for trying to again give some specificity
Speaker 1: and individuality to the characters there through what would on
Speaker 1: the outside again being like, oh, this is just what
Speaker 1: you wear to work? Yeah, well, once again, I started
Speaker 1: my whole process like, I have no idea what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I never worked in an office myself, so
Speaker 1: I just and it's like, you know, it's going back
Speaker 1: to the thing. It's like a little bit of fear,
Speaker 1: like how am I going to get this right? So
Speaker 1: I always start my research like trying to get myself
Speaker 1: on the ground somewhere where I can immerse myself and
Speaker 1: see what it really looks like. And um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I talked to the ladies on office ladies that they
Speaker 1: had never heard the story. They had no idea. I
Speaker 1: found a paper company in Glendale here at my next
Speaker 1: little town over, and I invited myself over there. I
Speaker 1: spoke to the owner and I was like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: doing this show, I'm researching. Would it be okay if
Speaker 1: I came over and just added with you and just
Speaker 1: you could just give me a tour. And I got
Speaker 1: there and oh my god, Bryant, it was beyond amazing.
Speaker 1: It was so awesome. All the characters were there, all
Speaker 1: the look of it was there. It was stunning. And
Speaker 1: it had some similarities to the UK version, like they
Speaker 1: had that fish on the wall, that fish on the
Speaker 1: plaque that they had that, and I was like, really
Speaker 1: big mouth bath or something. Yes, yes, yes. So they
Speaker 1: were so wonderful and kind and let me take pictures
Speaker 1: and I talked to everybody in there and got such
Speaker 1: an incredible vibe from I took a thousand pictures. I
Speaker 1: put them in a little slide show. I put a
Speaker 1: little music to it, little Welcome to the Working Week,
Speaker 1: and I brought it back and I showed Greg and
Speaker 1: he was like, what is this? Where is this, you
Speaker 1: will take me back here. You can take me to
Speaker 1: this place. So we went back. We went with our DP,
Speaker 1: and we went with our production designer and we all
Speaker 1: went back there and filmed everything. And I think I
Speaker 1: started a relationship with them, Like we used all of
Speaker 1: their paper products. It was just such a vibe and
Speaker 1: I think they still exist. I actually saw their truck
Speaker 1: the other day. I don't want to say their name
Speaker 1: because I don't, but that's amazing. It was amazing, and
Speaker 1: so that's what gives me a touchstone. Like I referred
Speaker 1: back to those pictures so many times, like when I
Speaker 1: don't know, when I was tired and I was like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out my umpty character, like new person
Speaker 1: coming in that had to be a regular person, that
Speaker 1: had to be different than the last regular person. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I had that little touchstone that I could
Speaker 1: go back to and go like, oh, yeah, remember that
Speaker 1: little detail or the way they wore their pants, or
Speaker 1: when I first went it was like their casual Friday
Speaker 1: um and guy there that was my dwite inspiration. He
Speaker 1: was wearing like a T shirt with a wolf on
Speaker 1: it that day that I went, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I that is amazing. But that's and that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like back in the day, like that's
Speaker 1: that like that extems from like sort of my fear
Speaker 1: of not getting it right right, So I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get some concrete visuals and that's insane. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know that's exactly what John Krasinski did too, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that's literally exactly what he did. He was
Speaker 1: in New York. I mean, he lived in New York
Speaker 1: and was like, well, Scrans only two hours away, I
Speaker 1: guess I should go see it. And he went to
Speaker 1: pen Paper there and started talking to the people who
Speaker 1: worked at the paper company there. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, he went to That's so amazing.
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I didn't go to a paper company,
Speaker 1: to be clear, I didn't. I didn't do that. Um
Speaker 1: but I but I find that really interesting that that
Speaker 1: a real person, Yeah, inspired that. I mean, Dwight's a
Speaker 1: great example, right, Like, on the one hand, it's work attire,
Speaker 1: but those mustard shirts and you know, almost gives it.
Speaker 1: I don't even know that I've ever articulated this before,
Speaker 1: but almost a militaristic look in a weird way that
Speaker 1: color and very straight lace that's interesting well, and to
Speaker 1: like a lot of his look. You know. Another thing
Speaker 1: that I really dedicated myself too was shopping where these
Speaker 1: people would shop. Oh, like, that's the trickiest thing in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: because like there's so much magic that goes into like
Speaker 1: just a basic T shirt. You know, like there cut
Speaker 1: every different magical way with magical fabric to make actors
Speaker 1: look amazing. But I was like, you know what, we
Speaker 1: need to shop people's shop, And so I did a
Speaker 1: lot of J. C. Penney, which I don't know if
Speaker 1: they still do it, but at the time, it is
Speaker 1: amazing deal where you could get if you were like
Speaker 1: a working guy, you go and get your suit outfit
Speaker 1: there and it would have a suit, a shirt, a tie,
Speaker 1: a belt, and maybe the socks. The socks and it
Speaker 1: was like a whole one price, like a hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that is so awesome, Like that's
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would do if I was this
Speaker 1: guy working in office, I would go like get my
Speaker 1: three suit outfits. And we all said, well, they had
Speaker 1: those amazing colored suits like the olive green and that
Speaker 1: ochre and that sort of putty color, and it just
Speaker 1: started to make a story for me and yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just ran with it and it just
Speaker 1: suited him so well. And yeah, it did have kind
Speaker 1: of like a little we always toyed with the fact
Speaker 1: that he that he was kind of enamored with military
Speaker 1: or sort of German heritage and like, yeah, how much
Speaker 1: how much did you collaborate with rain on Dwight? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. He was so good at giving specific input
Speaker 1: and and he was always the one that would call
Speaker 1: me and go, hey, I think I wear a hat
Speaker 1: in this episode. Could it be this? Or like, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this? Or he always had some
Speaker 1: kind of really great insight, and then we would just
Speaker 1: kind of hash it out together, like with this work
Speaker 1: and this, let's try this, and um, yeah he's tuned
Speaker 1: in to the subtleties and thinking about it, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I always had a special take on it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really fun and easy to collaborate with. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: what's so funny you just said that. I remember we
Speaker 1: had a big deal with the hat, you and I
Speaker 1: because it was Kevin when his band got established and
Speaker 1: we were looking for something that would be like this
Speaker 1: is what this is like the cape right of a superhero.
Speaker 1: This is what he puts on when he's in the band.
Speaker 1: And we had this hat, and I think we both
Speaker 1: loved this hat and it was there early on. And
Speaker 1: then the hat vanished. I don't know if you remember this.
Speaker 1: The hat left. It went away, like we don't No
Speaker 1: one knows ever where it went. And so then it
Speaker 1: was like this whole thing and I'm sure I was
Speaker 1: such a pain in the ass. I was like, we
Speaker 1: were look, you guys brought in like seventy hats and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, it's not that it has
Speaker 1: to be because it was like, oh, you mean, I say,
Speaker 1: like it got lost, like it actually got like, yes,
Speaker 1: like it vanished. It was like it went away. And
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't do the the Scrantn City stuff
Speaker 1: that often, so you know, I don't remember how long
Speaker 1: it had been. It had been a year, it had
Speaker 1: been whatever. And I know everybody keeps everything and it's
Speaker 1: all documented, but somehow this hat vanished. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a big deal about that. Um but I remember for
Speaker 1: Kevin and you and I talked a lot about this
Speaker 1: at the time that on a tradition, let's just call
Speaker 1: it a traditional sitcom. There is a way that Kevin
Speaker 1: would have been wardrobed right, and it probably would have
Speaker 1: included food on his clothes, very messy, slovenly, like, not
Speaker 1: able to keep his shirt tucked in, like various things.
Speaker 1: And you know, well, one of the things that I'm
Speaker 1: really proud of about the show is that we were
Speaker 1: really trying to create real people and within that there
Speaker 1: are there are contradictions within what you would expect and
Speaker 1: and you know what's written on the page and what
Speaker 1: the actual person would do. And I remember you and
Speaker 1: I we spent a lot of time. Look, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he was going to Sacks or Barney's or Marcus,
Speaker 1: but it was like, no, he's gonna make his best
Speaker 1: effort and things might be a little off. Um. We
Speaker 1: explored a little bit early on. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember with his tie being a little bit shorter
Speaker 1: than it should be, um, but that he was always
Speaker 1: doing his best effort and so much so that I
Speaker 1: was like, he wants to be put together. And one
Speaker 1: of the things we talked about was Kevin always wore
Speaker 1: his jacket Like for him, that was again like that
Speaker 1: was at work, you wear your jacket and you keep
Speaker 1: things together. And there were things that I at least
Speaker 1: thought were really funny that came out of that little
Speaker 1: character thing. One of which was, well, the basketball episode
Speaker 1: in the first season where he's making shot after shot
Speaker 1: and he's still wearing his coade, he's still wearing his
Speaker 1: tie is not loosened. And you know, some of that stuff, obviously,
Speaker 1: depending on context, got got looser over time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that it was about. It was a guy who was
Speaker 1: really putting his best effort forward and it may not
Speaker 1: look beautiful or whatever, but that we didn't go for
Speaker 1: the cheap joke. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's
Speaker 1: the earnestness that's so sweet and endearing. And I never
Speaker 1: want any of my research subjects to feel like they
Speaker 1: are being made fun of. That is is never my intention.
Speaker 1: My intention is to get to the heart of what
Speaker 1: makes somebody tick, and that, to me, is so delicious
Speaker 1: and adorable about every human being. We all have. Those
Speaker 1: things are weird, little vidio secrecies. That's the thing that
Speaker 1: you have to find in each character, and and the vulnerability,
Speaker 1: and I just keep coming back to the earnestness, the
Speaker 1: earnestness that Kevin wore his his jacket, you know, and
Speaker 1: and um, I think that's what makes characters really endearing.
Speaker 1: I think if you go for like the cheap like,
Speaker 1: oh he's this, he's kind of he's a mess, and
Speaker 1: he's got chili on his tie, it's so obvious that
Speaker 1: you kind of don't. It doesn't endear you two to
Speaker 1: the character. So I think it's I think it's really
Speaker 1: worth finding those little things and holding that line like
Speaker 1: that's that's the real challenge. It's so funny because I've
Speaker 1: had to defend my I guess defend my work at
Speaker 1: times when I've had interviews these people like what costumes
Speaker 1: are there on the office And I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 1: you don't know these guys, like these are some of
Speaker 1: the hottest actors in Hollywood. They don't up in this gear.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that really. I mean, you look
Speaker 1: pretty slick right now. You have a great looking polo
Speaker 1: shirt on. And you know, it was my job to
Speaker 1: take everyone down a little notch every day and to
Speaker 1: hold that line, like because after the first season, everybody
Speaker 1: wanted to be kind of more fancy and have their
Speaker 1: better clothing. It's like I stuck with it. I stuck
Speaker 1: with it through thick and thin. I stuck with it.
Speaker 1: You know, we never we never got more pretty over here,
Speaker 1: I promise, well except except the uh, the wedding where
Speaker 1: suddenly Kevin has a very like, a very legitimately nice
Speaker 1: suit with fake hair, yeah, which is probably a rental,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's when you kind of things up
Speaker 1: a little bit, because you're wedding outfits are rental. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not really like the stuff you own. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember being remember being difficult to find
Speaker 1: your blazers, your cool blazers that were just like these
Speaker 1: kind of textured kind of from be It was hard
Speaker 1: to find those, you know, they weren't slick looking. They
Speaker 1: weren't you always worked. No, they weren't. And there and I,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I haven't thought about this in years
Speaker 1: and years because I because I remember being, oh god,
Speaker 1: I remember being super defensive because there was something with
Speaker 1: our Because by the way, guys in Hollywood here, when
Speaker 1: you're shooting an episode and especially in the office, you're
Speaker 1: wearing the same thing every day for five days. So
Speaker 1: occasionally these things, over the course of just normal hygiene,
Speaker 1: they have to be cleaned. But they started um through
Speaker 1: the cleaning process or something or the material they were using,
Speaker 1: they started shrinking and I would be like, guys, this
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. And I'm sure everyone's like, okay, Brian, way
Speaker 1: to go, and I'm like, no, no, And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but they would be like the
Speaker 1: arms would be like three inches like they were coming
Speaker 1: up my arm and I would be like, guys, my
Speaker 1: arms not growing like this is not I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: so welcome to my world. This is so funny. I
Speaker 1: mean the one time Greg Daniels came on our trailer
Speaker 1: and he looked at how it was all set up
Speaker 1: with all the closets laying there, and he was like
Speaker 1: he looked at Michael Scott and he goes, why does
Speaker 1: he have so many of the same suit? Why does
Speaker 1: he have like why? And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: an episode takes place, the story takes place in one day, right,
Speaker 1: but it takes us five or six days to shoot
Speaker 1: that five or six full days to shoot. So yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff happens. I mean, you go to lunch with your
Speaker 1: suit on and it gets spaghetti sauce on it, or
Speaker 1: I remember Steve like slipped down the stairs of his
Speaker 1: trailer at one time and actually ripped the ripped his
Speaker 1: suit or sweetie, like he ripped the elbow. So that's
Speaker 1: the thing. So we have multiples, so like I would
Speaker 1: never but and that's what also makes the challenge. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find these funny numbly suit coats for you
Speaker 1: and but also in multiples, which was really really hard.
Speaker 1: So I think we had for you less because yours
Speaker 1: were so unique, like we had less of each one
Speaker 1: and yeah, sh it happens, like and because they're dry
Speaker 1: cleaned every day, and I'm sorry, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have not thought about that so long. I just remembered
Speaker 1: being like, well, because for me, it was like it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much that that happened because I knew something.
Speaker 1: We would figure something out. But it was like, no,
Speaker 1: this is not my fault, guys, this is not me.
Speaker 1: My arm didn't grow. But maybe it was maybe it
Speaker 1: helped your character. Yet what was the budget, Like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, okay, because what was it? What was the budget?
Speaker 1: Like Gary, tiny dude? Okay. At one point I compared
Speaker 1: it to you because my I was doing scrubs and
Speaker 1: my regulars on scrubs were I think I had six
Speaker 1: to eight regulars scrubs and they're pretty much wearing scrubs
Speaker 1: and office. I had how many regulars? Twenty? Do you
Speaker 1: know at the point I had this is do the
Speaker 1: math for a second. I had five thousand dollars less
Speaker 1: a week to spend on the office us that I
Speaker 1: had on scrubs place as many people. And scrubs are
Speaker 1: not expensive, by the way, actual scrubs. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So we so Jennifer Siri and I. She
Speaker 1: was my supervisor back then, so that position runs the department. Um.
Speaker 1: She and I would go out to the I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, called the discount malls, out to the call
Speaker 1: thank you the outlet malls. We would take two trips
Speaker 1: a season. We would do this big drive out to Calabasas,
Speaker 1: out to the outlet malls and we would just stalk up.
Speaker 1: And I think it was great too. Was that things
Speaker 1: there were like a little bit a little dated a
Speaker 1: little bit last season. I mean that was kind of
Speaker 1: my whole concept anyways, for the overall show. It's just
Speaker 1: that it would be a little dated looking, because I
Speaker 1: feel like that also lends a little vulnerability to it,
Speaker 1: like we're not we're not super slick and you know,
Speaker 1: we're in the latest, latest, greatest. But yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: we would just come back with carloads of stuff the
Speaker 1: out level and then try to make it work and
Speaker 1: try and and just rotate, rotate, rotate, you know, mix
Speaker 1: and match, and which is what people do, right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's what people do. Well, It's funny that you bring
Speaker 1: up the dated concept because you know, part of why
Speaker 1: I talking to you now, and I've talked to so
Speaker 1: many people, is really about why the show now, why
Speaker 1: it's exploded, why we have more fans now than we
Speaker 1: did when we were actually shooting. And you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things that this is at least my theory
Speaker 1: about it. A documentary by definition can't be dated, right
Speaker 1: Like you you don't watch a documentary on the sixties
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, that's dated, Like, no, it's about sixties.
Speaker 1: It's about that period of time. So you know, not
Speaker 1: having the latest and greatest means that there is never
Speaker 1: the latest and greatest that can look um that that
Speaker 1: can look dated or like oh they were pretending, or
Speaker 1: you know, that it gives anything beyond what it is.
Speaker 1: Even I feel like this is true that even when
Speaker 1: we were dressing up for a special occasion, a wedding
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was all sort of very classically nice outfits, right,
Speaker 1: not like you know, the newest trend. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: I mean it really was about where I shopped. Like
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like I really, um, I know, Jenna,
Speaker 1: we had a moment where she had had to regimes
Speaker 1: for something and she was and she you know, she
Speaker 1: had done so many other everybody was doing movies and
Speaker 1: all kinds of projects and getting all kinds of fancy clothes.
Speaker 1: And she walked into that fitting and there was like
Speaker 1: stuff from the Gap and stuff from old Navy, and
Speaker 1: and you know, she was used to wearing you know,
Speaker 1: fancy fancy stuff that costs maybe two to four dred dollars.
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh oh, I was like I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but we're holding the line. I
Speaker 1: feel like that was I was like the I was
Speaker 1: like the warrior holding the line. I'm like, we gotta
Speaker 1: keep it real, like we've gotta it's it's what this
Speaker 1: person would do, and and it informs, it informs how
Speaker 1: you feel when you wear. You know, if you if
Speaker 1: you're all wearing that these super super genes, you're gonna strut,
Speaker 1: and that's not that character. It's the same. Like the
Speaker 1: shoes make a huge difference. You don't ever see shoes
Speaker 1: on a TV show, but like it really makes a
Speaker 1: big difference. I'm sorry Angela Kinsey because she had to
Speaker 1: wear she had to wear those nursey, those spongy nurse
Speaker 1: shoes all the time. But that it informs so much
Speaker 1: about how you feel and how you act. That is
Speaker 1: so true. I'm gonna tell you a little secret right now.
Speaker 1: I this is this, This is probably crazy. This is
Speaker 1: definitely actor nerdy. But if there were times, and there
Speaker 1: are times on a on a television set, right you
Speaker 1: come in but you're not on camera for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: You know you're there to do a scene with someone else,
Speaker 1: but you shot your side before lunch and they're not
Speaker 1: going to see you, and so you still need to
Speaker 1: be there or whatever. I always put on my shoes always, always,
Speaker 1: when I'm playing a character, I always put on the
Speaker 1: shoes of the character wears, because that so I have
Speaker 1: not just on the office, but on multiple projects. You
Speaker 1: there will be there, I'm sure behind the scene photos
Speaker 1: where I'm like wearing this wouldn't be the office. But
Speaker 1: like fans eat wing tips or something, and shorts like
Speaker 1: shorts like totally whatever I wore into work in a
Speaker 1: hundred degrees summer weather. But no, I would have I
Speaker 1: put on the shoes because the shoe, it affects the
Speaker 1: way you move, the way, yeah, the way you stand.
Speaker 1: All of that. Absolutely, I'm so proud of you. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to hear you say that, because it really does.
Speaker 1: It matters. I don't go in full wardrobe. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you about that. I don't do that. Um So,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about you working
Speaker 1: with Steve, you know, one, just working with him and
Speaker 1: helping to create Michael Scott through the wardrobe, but also
Speaker 1: conversations that you and he may have had between like
Speaker 1: seasons one and two, when Greg was looking to to
Speaker 1: soften Michael a little bit and to make him more likable,
Speaker 1: the same guy, but but give a little bit of
Speaker 1: a reason to maybe root for him. Is there any
Speaker 1: any specific memories you have about that. Yeah, actually I was.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was at the forefront of the
Speaker 1: synthesis of that because it was a real challenge and
Speaker 1: I remember feeling really anxious about because Ricky Gervais played
Speaker 1: it so beautifully and his thing was like that tick
Speaker 1: where he would touch his tie all the time. And
Speaker 1: when we were first having conversations about this, and I
Speaker 1: remember being in Greg's office and um looking at the
Speaker 1: tapes of the original and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about like, well, we got to make the ceiling
Speaker 1: tiles look like this because that's how they had it there,
Speaker 1: and and you know, kind of obsessing about like the
Speaker 1: details of how are we going to make this be
Speaker 1: like that show? And I remember thinking in my head like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I can't do this. If that's if we're
Speaker 1: going to try to copy this, I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: do that. I'll go crazy trying to like figure out
Speaker 1: the copy of these details. And so I really at
Speaker 1: that moment sort of was like, all right, I gotta
Speaker 1: find my own way. And yeah, with Steve's character, what
Speaker 1: is it going to be? Is he going to be
Speaker 1: the same as Ricky Saves? And I think in the
Speaker 1: beginning he was kind of more hard. And then I'll
Speaker 1: never forget I remember fourty year old Virgin came out,
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget. Greg Daniels saw it, and I
Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with him and he was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: Steve is so vulnerable in that movie, and I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, And it was almost like for Greg, I
Speaker 1: feel like this moment of like really seeing Steve and
Speaker 1: all that he could do, like all that he could
Speaker 1: pull off as an actor and remember sort of thing
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, like he he can be vulnerable, Like
Speaker 1: that's there, that's something we can we can draw on.
Speaker 1: And for me it was and really for all the characters,
Speaker 1: for all the boys, Um, the tie story. The tie
Speaker 1: story was what was the flavor of each guy. And
Speaker 1: I think it is for guys like they go pick
Speaker 1: their tie and that he ties us so much about you.
Speaker 1: But I feel like Michael Scott in particular like his ties.
Speaker 1: I feel like he thought his ties really cool, but
Speaker 1: in reality they were just kind of these muddy, undetailed,
Speaker 1: uh kind of static like they weren't they didn't have
Speaker 1: a particular voice to them. And I was really dedicated
Speaker 1: to those damn ties. Oh my god. I would go
Speaker 1: to the end ends of the earth trying to fight.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that, to me kind of like
Speaker 1: was his his special vulnerability as a boss, Like he
Speaker 1: always felt like he needed to be he needed to
Speaker 1: be something that he wasn't. He's always trying to be
Speaker 1: so cool, Like he's always trying to be cool and
Speaker 1: one of the guys and all this, you know, and UM,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't him. It just wasn't him. And so
Speaker 1: that's what that's what makes him so wonderfully funny, is
Speaker 1: um trying to pull off being somebody that he wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know. And if he just if he could just
Speaker 1: like just chill out, dude, Like you don't need to
Speaker 1: be be this everything to everybody, you know. Um. And yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think that's where we found his character. And
Speaker 1: I think it really took off, you know, because in
Speaker 1: the beginning to like the very first episode is the
Speaker 1: exact same script from the from the English version. It's
Speaker 1: the exact same script. And I think that for the writers,
Speaker 1: I think got to you know. I think they were like,
Speaker 1: we can't can't do the exact same script, Like we
Speaker 1: have this amazing cast of people of actors that are
Speaker 1: bringing so much, you know, and I think about like
Speaker 1: Creed and Meredith and you know, Kate, like they were
Speaker 1: kind of these ancillary characters in the beginning, and they
Speaker 1: brought so much. They brought so much, and then it
Speaker 1: became these great, huge characters. You know. So, um, I'm
Speaker 1: a completely off topic here, but I feel like this
Speaker 1: thing is like we were trying to copy, trying to
Speaker 1: copy the original, and then we realized that we had
Speaker 1: this incredible gift of talent and ideas, and like that's
Speaker 1: where it really just took off. Like that's where we
Speaker 1: started writing our own scripts and the characters really started
Speaker 1: to gel. And um, all these other ancillary characters became
Speaker 1: so strong and such a delicious part of it. And
Speaker 1: here we are still talking about it now. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: What were a few of your favorite looks that you created?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, well I do. I
Speaker 1: love Jim's three whole punch costume. That was amazing. And
Speaker 1: Angela's all Angela's little kitty chops with a million buttons
Speaker 1: that we change all the buttons into a little kittie
Speaker 1: head buttons. Gosh, I don't know, I mean, there's so many.
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking about too, you know, the
Speaker 1: episode that we did out in the park with the
Speaker 1: the Sumo um costume, the inflatable sumo costumes, and then
Speaker 1: somebody was gonna float out there, floating out there. Oh
Speaker 1: my God, so many wacky things. I mean, we went
Speaker 1: to we went to Ken Subornac and that costume came
Speaker 1: up and we're like, we're gonna, We're gonna float ed
Speaker 1: out on the lake in an inflatable costume. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like raising my hand like wait, wait, wait what.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in charge of this. I
Speaker 1: would get that costume, but that's not gonna that's no,
Speaker 1: that seems dangerous. And so we actually went to Kent's house,
Speaker 1: his swimming pool, and we had the stunt guy and
Speaker 1: I was like, here's the thing. His body is inflatable,
Speaker 1: which will make his head the heaviest part of it.
Speaker 1: His head is going to go underwater, right, which is
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Yeah, you know it's like stuff like this,
Speaker 1: like this is the these are the challenges. So anyways,
Speaker 1: like that's then I made a helmet that if you look,
Speaker 1: the helmet is like this sumer, it looks like hair,
Speaker 1: looks like a big yeah, but it's actually it's a
Speaker 1: flotation device. Well, I mean, yeah, all those things you
Speaker 1: don't see. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. You were you were literally designing
Speaker 1: to save lives. But that should be that should be
Speaker 1: the new costume guild, like motto we designed to save lives,
Speaker 1: Carrie Bennett. It's just all those challenges that people don't
Speaker 1: realize that it's it encompasses a lot like and that
Speaker 1: every single thing that every single person wears is literally
Speaker 1: thought through, designed, doubled, died, altered. It's a huge task
Speaker 1: and um, it was a huge amount of costumes. I
Speaker 1: remember the A. D. S the battle plan that they had.
Speaker 1: Do you remember like they would meet you in the
Speaker 1: morning and they would have this rainbow colored thing of
Speaker 1: where everyone was going to be. You're gonna go into
Speaker 1: hair and makeup now, and you'll go to costumes and
Speaker 1: you do you know it was it was such a
Speaker 1: tremendous undertaking every day because it wasn't just like talking
Speaker 1: heads like you're talking to this person, there's two people
Speaker 1: in the scene. No, it was the entire cast in
Speaker 1: every scene, even if you're not talking, you're in the background.
Speaker 1: It was a massive undertaking. Yeah, I don't think we've
Speaker 1: talked about that enough. Actually on this I may do
Speaker 1: a little deep dive into this and figure out like
Speaker 1: exactly how this came about because I think truly it
Speaker 1: innovated television production. I mean, I don't know that there's
Speaker 1: even been a show that's been as complicated or more,
Speaker 1: but I know that that other shows are using it now.
Speaker 1: And what Carry is talking about is the battle plan.
Speaker 1: You know, it was color coordinated by character where you
Speaker 1: were going to be from the moment you arrived until
Speaker 1: everybody had to be on set. So in hair, in makeup,
Speaker 1: in you know, you need a costume fitting this morning,
Speaker 1: so you have to go to wardrobe, or you need
Speaker 1: to go see props, because props there's a special something
Speaker 1: that you have to deal with here or wherever else.
Speaker 1: And so it like took you through the morning, whereas
Speaker 1: on most shows, you show up, you go to hair
Speaker 1: and makeup, you go on your trailer, you get dressed,
Speaker 1: and you're done because there's two, three, four characters usually
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the day, and they try to
Speaker 1: spread out people coming throughout the day. That's part of
Speaker 1: what they do. But on our show, you couldn't do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was insane. I mean that's true. I mean,
Speaker 1: looking back at it now, yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: really really effort, Like I really felt like we were.
Speaker 1: It was like a lot to accomplish every day, and
Speaker 1: we all just we just did it. I mean I
Speaker 1: remember meeting with all of the department heads production and props,
Speaker 1: and so we would just like meet in the parking
Speaker 1: lot before the production meeting and be like, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: got I'll take care of this. You got this, you
Speaker 1: got that? What is this going to be? Like that?
Speaker 1: You know, we would just have like a quick little
Speaker 1: like you know like that. That was like kind of
Speaker 1: like our little sort of you know, valable. You know,
Speaker 1: the props guys have to be on set with props,
Speaker 1: but they also have to be in some cases either
Speaker 1: going to buy or create or making the props for
Speaker 1: the next week. And have you had Phil on here?
Speaker 1: We have not. We have not talked to Phil. Oh God, okay,
Speaker 1: you have to have him because he and I worked
Speaker 1: so hand in hand and you know we had Again,
Speaker 1: this comes from like my sort of fear of getting
Speaker 1: it wrong. Um and stall started with when we had
Speaker 1: the fire department came there was a fire department part.
Speaker 1: Fire department uniforms are really specific to regions, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm gonna I really need to get
Speaker 1: the patches that go for Scranton. So I called the
Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce there and was like and got a
Speaker 1: hold of this woman called named Mauri, and maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say her name, but she was amazing, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I told her the whole story,
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you think do you could
Speaker 1: you give me the phone number for the fire department
Speaker 1: or do you think somebody could go there and take
Speaker 1: a picture of the patches for me? I mean, I
Speaker 1: just and she was like, she's like, I'll do it,
Speaker 1: I'll go I'll go do it. And she totally did it.
Speaker 1: She went to the fire department, she took pictures of
Speaker 1: the patches, she sent them to me, we recreated them.
Speaker 1: And then because she was so awesome, I called her
Speaker 1: all the time. I was like, hey, I mean, like
Speaker 1: a delivery service, is there's something, is there someone that
Speaker 1: you might know, or like a florist that you might know.
Speaker 1: And then it just became a regular thing. And then
Speaker 1: Phil started calling her and she was like, lose my number.
Speaker 1: She was totally so wonderful. I mean, if she's out
Speaker 1: there like I don't of course I've lost track of her.
Speaker 1: She was amazing, um and then she set up Phil
Speaker 1: would know it was it maybe the third season. She
Speaker 1: was like, let's preempt our needs here because we always
Speaker 1: needed like daily stuff like a delivery guy the radio
Speaker 1: station that you know, just everyday things. She set up
Speaker 1: a thing that they advertised on the radio station out there.
Speaker 1: Phil flew out there and people came to the mall
Speaker 1: and offered up there stuff from their businesses, like you know,
Speaker 1: T shirts from the radio station or what, just so
Speaker 1: that week it could be super authentic and that they
Speaker 1: and then they had to sign off that we were
Speaker 1: allowed to use the thing. So he when I forget,
Speaker 1: I think I was I couldn't go. I was I
Speaker 1: was doing scraps. I think I couldn't go. Um. But
Speaker 1: he went out there, and and when he went, I
Speaker 1: was like, if you could. I gave him a little
Speaker 1: digital camera to take with him, Like if you could
Speaker 1: take pictures of every person you talked to, that would
Speaker 1: be the bomb. So he did that. I mean there
Speaker 1: was lines of people out the mall. He said, people
Speaker 1: followed him into the bathroom when he went to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and they were bringing all of their stuff and a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff wasn't necessarily needed or useful. Like people,
Speaker 1: remember somebody brought cupcakes with everybody's face on them. It
Speaker 1: was amazing, It was really amazing. So yeah, so I
Speaker 1: have all those photographs too that, um, you know, I
Speaker 1: would like take pictures of people in uniform kids like
Speaker 1: just like and so I have I have like my
Speaker 1: office catalog of people and it just was like endlessly
Speaker 1: inspiring to me just for those little little details. But yeah,
Speaker 1: when you watch The Office, like a lot of those
Speaker 1: details are legit, legit Scranton artifacts that legit. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: if you need any more ammunition to have conversations when
Speaker 1: people are like, what did you do on the Office,
Speaker 1: how did you create? Like what they just wore suits?
Speaker 1: Think about the number of times that the writers became
Speaker 1: obsessed on our show with characters playing other characters, right,
Speaker 1: so like famously Jim plays Dwight, but Kevin plays Phyllis,
Speaker 1: and Dwight plays Kevin and Phyllis and like everybody basically
Speaker 1: at some point and immediately you know who the characters
Speaker 1: are because of what they're wearing. So I if you
Speaker 1: need any more ammunition than that, you've got it. The
Speaker 1: mustard shirts, the bad text, your jackets, the sweaters, for Phyllis.
Speaker 1: I guess the sweaters little her little matchy matchy outfits,
Speaker 1: matchy outfits and sweaters. Um. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: talking to me, Carrie. I appreciate it so much. I
Speaker 1: mean the contribution that you have given everyone for the
Speaker 1: helping to create these characters through their looks um which
Speaker 1: now as we know Altars behavior is so it's so
Speaker 1: important to the entire creation of the show. So thank
Speaker 1: you one for that. And also thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on and talking to me and everybody here today. Oh.
Speaker 1: I miss you so much. I'm realizing it's just been
Speaker 1: such a delight to be with you again. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Wow, Carrie, it was so amazing chatting with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me Now. As always,
Speaker 1: I will be back next week with another conversation, this
Speaker 1: time with the incredible Brian Whittle. What who's Brian Whittle? Oh?
Speaker 1: Isn't he a character on the Office? And to that,
Speaker 1: I say, well, yes and no, there is a Brian
Speaker 1: Widow character, but he was named after the real life
Speaker 1: boom operator on the Office, and in true boom operator fashion,
Speaker 1: Brian has all the stories. He was there with us
Speaker 1: in the room where it happened as they say. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to bring the true Brian Whittle onto the
Speaker 1: podcast next week. But before I leave you, I have
Speaker 1: one more exciting announcement. We've discussed it before, but after
Speaker 1: a couple more conversations here at the Office Deep Dive,
Speaker 1: I am going to be launching my new podcast, Off
Speaker 1: the Beat in February. Now, I don't want to give
Speaker 1: too much away, but I'm very excited and it is
Speaker 1: going to go beyond anything that we have done on here.
Speaker 1: That's right. I am talking about all of your favorite
Speaker 1: TV creators and actors, not just the Office, so stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Will be available before you know it wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts. The Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive
Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley.
Speaker 1: Our producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our theme
Speaker 1: song Bubble and Squeak, performed by my great friend Creed Bratton,
Speaker 1: and the episode was mixed by seth Olandski m