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Speaker 1: Hi, It's Carry Bennett and I was the costume signer

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Speaker 1: on the Office. Hello everyone, and welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Office Deep Dive. I am your host Brian Baumgartner. Today,

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Speaker 1: Yes you just heard it, I am breaking on a

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Speaker 1: very important guest. Without her, there would be no mustard

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Speaker 1: colored shirts, no cat embroidered sweaters, no well, no sumo suits.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Today's guest is the one and only Carrie Bennett,

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Speaker 1: costume designer extraordinaire for the Office. You guys, nobody committed

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Speaker 1: like Carrie Bennett, Nobody for costume research. She called up,

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Speaker 1: hunted down, scouted a real life paper company just to

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Speaker 1: nail the looks. And it is not like she had

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Speaker 1: all the money in the world. No, she had a

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Speaker 1: tiny budget, but many many J. C. Penny suits. Now,

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Speaker 1: some people may think that the Office was just how

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Speaker 1: hard could that be? It's just suits and ties and

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Speaker 1: maybe a little awkward haircuts. No, Carrie made sure every

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Speaker 1: character was was individual. They had their own look, whether

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Speaker 1: it was Phyllis's purple tops or Michael's bizarre ties or

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Speaker 1: Dwight's aviator glasses. Personally, I was a little too aware

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Speaker 1: that Kevin never ever, ever took off his jacket even

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Speaker 1: when playing basketball. But hey, that's Carrie. So without further ado,

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Speaker 1: I would like to introduce you all to our amazing

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Speaker 1: costumes designer Carrie Bennett. Bubble and Squeak. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeaker, Bubble and squeaker cookie, every moment left

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Speaker 1: over from the nutty. Well, there she is, right, Carrie,

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Speaker 1: how are you. It's so good to see you. Likewise,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how are you. I mean, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: I'm great. Everybody's healthy on your end. Yeah, yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: somehow evaded any kind of cooties. Very good. Avoiding cooties

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Speaker 1: are good, especially after two years. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how it's possible, right, Yeah, just just one day at

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Speaker 1: a time, One day at a time, that's right. So

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Speaker 1: you and I, Oh my gosh, this is so amazing

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Speaker 1: because in preparation to talk to you, I remember so

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Speaker 1: many of our conversations back in what do you call

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Speaker 1: it a trail? The trailer the costume trailer? Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: We have like a like a trailer in the parking lot.

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Speaker 1: A trailer in the parking was our headquarters. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: maximum glamour. Well that's the television. Right, everybody thinks that

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Speaker 1: it's glamorous, but it's really not. Is that Is that

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Speaker 1: what you dreamed of when you were a child, that

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Speaker 1: kind of glamour in television? Um? So I saw, because

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Speaker 1: well I researched you. I've got a team researching there's

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Speaker 1: so many people researching it. You went to cal Arts

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Speaker 1: I did, which I know what cal arts is. So

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Speaker 1: I assume at an early age you were interested in

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Speaker 1: the arts. Now was costume design what you wanted to

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Speaker 1: do early on? Yeah? You know, Actually my undergrad degree

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Speaker 1: the costume shop and I always sewed. I just always

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Speaker 1: like crafty. And I had a teacher there that was like,

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Speaker 1: you have the best energy for working in television. She

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Speaker 1: planted that seed. And um So, when I graduated as

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Speaker 1: And I you know, I had sort of like this

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Speaker 1: most hilarious lame portfolio anybody out there who wants to

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Speaker 1: be a costume designer shouldn't look at my portfolio because

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Speaker 1: I did not have to draw at that point. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I just put it out there, and I got

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Speaker 1: it was the best thing I ever did. It was

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Speaker 1: so great. I learned all the stuff. They have an

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Speaker 1: Now I can draw, and I can I can sew

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Speaker 1: and design concepts and here we go. Right, So you

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Speaker 1: were a dancer who had designed costumes for dance recitals?

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Speaker 1: Is that what you That's the word, right, recitals? And

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Speaker 1: then you were like, I'm gonna make a change. You

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Speaker 1: do a portfolio, you apply to cal ARD's get in

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Speaker 1: as a costume designer. Is that? Is that what you

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Speaker 1: got in? You got in? Is that? And you didn't

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Speaker 1: know how to draw? Barely? Right? It sounds like every

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Speaker 1: single person journey on the office, everybody who got to

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Speaker 1: a traditional sense before it happened. Well, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: know that. I just I joke because well, there's so

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Speaker 1: many people, right. So Claire Scanlon, our editor, had never

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Speaker 1: edited scripted television before Randall Einhorn matt Son. They had

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Speaker 1: I mean so that that I don't know that theme,

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Speaker 1: there's something, there's something there right, well you know what?

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Speaker 1: And here, yes, and I know what it is. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it right, Like, Okay, I got I was given this job,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm going to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do it to the best of my ability.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that that incredible earnestness we all

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Speaker 1: I can say it now as a you know, I

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Speaker 1: I've done it, and I don't know that I dig

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Speaker 1: that deeply into it. I mean, my the preparation and

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Speaker 1: the research that I did to accomplish my work on

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Speaker 1: the Office is legendary in my career. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: well I really want to hear about that. But I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to start where you and my

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Speaker 1: relationships started, not that I worked on the show, but

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Speaker 1: I we discussed a lot about it. You're the designer

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Speaker 1: on Scrubs for a long period of time. I find

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Speaker 1: that so interesting because the characters on Scrubs are very

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Speaker 1: easily identifiable by their wardrobe. However, they're all wearing scrubs, right,

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Speaker 1: most of them are all wearing the same thing, and

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Speaker 1: so you know in leading up to the office, not

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Speaker 1: that that was your not that that was your rehearsal,

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Speaker 1: but I find it very interesting that you were able

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Speaker 1: to find unique looks based in character for people who

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Speaker 1: were largely wearing the same thing. Can you talk to

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Speaker 1: me a little bit about Scrubs and your experience there. God,

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Speaker 1: you are You're amazing. You've done your research. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for recognizing that, because yeah, that is where

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Speaker 1: research is the golden ticket there. Because on Scrubs, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to take photographs, but I had my little

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Speaker 1: looks cheesy, like, oh, doctors where this? But there were

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Speaker 1: so many details that I gleaned from that, and so

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Speaker 1: many characters that I witnessed and saw them working and

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Speaker 1: Doug character that I saw a guy like wearing a

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Speaker 1: had like his his personal gear, you know, not like

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Speaker 1: I can't take pictures, I'm constantly taking pictures of people

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Speaker 1: on the street I'm sorry everybody out there, I'm sneaking

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Speaker 1: a picture of you. My grandma taught me how to

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Speaker 1: do that. Like she she was a painter, and she

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Speaker 1: And here's how you do that. You put your camera

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Speaker 1: and you look the other direction and you take a picture. Yeah. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I know now that they're taking a picture of that, right,

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Now it's different. It sounds creepy now, right,

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Speaker 1: But I mean the thing is, like, as far as

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Speaker 1: because that's what really makes a difference. And that's what

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Speaker 1: that's the real challenge, you know. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: you it's about character, right, So the wardrobe is defined

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the whole process. And it's funny,

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Speaker 1: so you did the Gym's three Whole Punch costume for

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Speaker 1: Halloween and the Ben Franklin Think And I was like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. Every single thing that every single person wears

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Speaker 1: backstory is. There's input from the producers, there's input from

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Speaker 1: the writers, there's input from the directors, and of course

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Speaker 1: So I've always thought of myself as sort of like

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Speaker 1: it down to something that makes sense quickly. As soon

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Speaker 1: where they shot. I mean, their clothing is what broadcasts

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Speaker 1: where they're coming from, kind of you know, and yet

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Speaker 1: you don't want it to broadcast too much. You don't

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Speaker 1: it to be subtle. So so yeah, so it's it's

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Speaker 1: all that well, and I think on Scrubs on the

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Speaker 1: I think if you go for like the cheap like,

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00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: oh he's this, he's kind of he's a mess, and

427
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: he's got chili on his tie, it's so obvious that

428
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: you kind of don't. It doesn't endear you two to

429
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: the character. So I think it's I think it's really

430
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: worth finding those little things and holding that line like

431
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: that's that's the real challenge. It's so funny because I've

432
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: had to defend my I guess defend my work at

433
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: times when I've had interviews these people like what costumes

434
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: are there on the office And I'm like, hold on,

435
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: you don't know these guys, like these are some of

436
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: the hottest actors in Hollywood. They don't up in this gear.

437
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't know about that really. I mean, you look

438
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: pretty slick right now. You have a great looking polo

439
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: shirt on. And you know, it was my job to

440
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: take everyone down a little notch every day and to

441
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: hold that line, like because after the first season, everybody

442
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: wanted to be kind of more fancy and have their

443
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: better clothing. It's like I stuck with it. I stuck

444
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: with it through thick and thin. I stuck with it.

445
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, we never we never got more pretty over here,

446
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: I promise, well except except the uh, the wedding where

447
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: suddenly Kevin has a very like, a very legitimately nice

448
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: suit with fake hair, yeah, which is probably a rental,

449
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, And that's when you kind of things up

450
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: a little bit, because you're wedding outfits are rental. Sometimes

451
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: it's not really like the stuff you own. But yeah,

452
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember being remember being difficult to find

453
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: your blazers, your cool blazers that were just like these

454
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: kind of textured kind of from be It was hard

455
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: to find those, you know, they weren't slick looking. They

456
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: weren't you always worked. No, they weren't. And there and I,

457
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I haven't thought about this in years

458
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: and years because I because I remember being, oh god,

459
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: I remember being super defensive because there was something with

460
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: our Because by the way, guys in Hollywood here, when

461
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: you're shooting an episode and especially in the office, you're

462
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: wearing the same thing every day for five days. So

463
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: occasionally these things, over the course of just normal hygiene,

464
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: they have to be cleaned. But they started um through

465
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: the cleaning process or something or the material they were using,

466
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: they started shrinking and I would be like, guys, this

467
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. And I'm sure everyone's like, okay, Brian, way

468
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: to go, and I'm like, no, no, And I don't

469
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but they would be like the

470
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: arms would be like three inches like they were coming

471
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: up my arm and I would be like, guys, my

472
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: arms not growing like this is not I mean, yeah,

473
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: so welcome to my world. This is so funny. I

474
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: mean the one time Greg Daniels came on our trailer

475
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: and he looked at how it was all set up

476
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: with all the closets laying there, and he was like

477
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: he looked at Michael Scott and he goes, why does

478
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: he have so many of the same suit? Why does

479
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: he have like why? And I was like, oh, yeah,

480
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: an episode takes place, the story takes place in one day, right,

481
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: but it takes us five or six days to shoot

482
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: that five or six full days to shoot. So yeah,

483
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: stuff happens. I mean, you go to lunch with your

484
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: suit on and it gets spaghetti sauce on it, or

485
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: I remember Steve like slipped down the stairs of his

486
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: trailer at one time and actually ripped the ripped his

487
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: suit or sweetie, like he ripped the elbow. So that's

488
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: the thing. So we have multiples, so like I would

489
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: never but and that's what also makes the challenge. I'm

490
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: trying to find these funny numbly suit coats for you

491
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: and but also in multiples, which was really really hard.

492
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: So I think we had for you less because yours

493
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: were so unique, like we had less of each one

494
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, sh it happens, like and because they're dry

495
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: cleaned every day, and I'm sorry, oh my god, I

496
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: have not thought about that so long. I just remembered

497
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: being like, well, because for me, it was like it

498
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: wasn't so much that that happened because I knew something.

499
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: We would figure something out. But it was like, no,

500
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: this is not my fault, guys, this is not me.

501
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: My arm didn't grow. But maybe it was maybe it

502
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: helped your character. Yet what was the budget, Like, oh

503
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: my god, okay, because what was it? What was the budget?

504
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Like Gary, tiny dude? Okay. At one point I compared

505
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: it to you because my I was doing scrubs and

506
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: my regulars on scrubs were I think I had six

507
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: to eight regulars scrubs and they're pretty much wearing scrubs

508
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: and office. I had how many regulars? Twenty? Do you

509
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: know at the point I had this is do the

510
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: math for a second. I had five thousand dollars less

511
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: a week to spend on the office us that I

512
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: had on scrubs place as many people. And scrubs are

513
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: not expensive, by the way, actual scrubs. Oh my gosh.

514
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, So we so Jennifer Siri and I. She

515
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: was my supervisor back then, so that position runs the department. Um.

516
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: She and I would go out to the I was

517
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna say, called the discount malls, out to the call

518
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: thank you the outlet malls. We would take two trips

519
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: a season. We would do this big drive out to Calabasas,

520
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: out to the outlet malls and we would just stalk up.

521
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: And I think it was great too. Was that things

522
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: there were like a little bit a little dated a

523
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: little bit last season. I mean that was kind of

524
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: my whole concept anyways, for the overall show. It's just

525
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: that it would be a little dated looking, because I

526
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: feel like that also lends a little vulnerability to it,

527
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: like we're not we're not super slick and you know,

528
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: we're in the latest, latest, greatest. But yeah, so that's

529
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: we would just come back with carloads of stuff the

530
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: out level and then try to make it work and

531
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: try and and just rotate, rotate, rotate, you know, mix

532
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: and match, and which is what people do, right, Well,

533
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: that's what people do. Well, It's funny that you bring

534
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: up the dated concept because you know, part of why

535
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: I talking to you now, and I've talked to so

536
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: many people, is really about why the show now, why

537
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: it's exploded, why we have more fans now than we

538
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: did when we were actually shooting. And you know, one

539
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: of the things that this is at least my theory

540
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: about it. A documentary by definition can't be dated, right

541
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: Like you you don't watch a documentary on the sixties

542
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, that's dated, Like, no, it's about sixties.

543
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: It's about that period of time. So you know, not

544
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: having the latest and greatest means that there is never

545
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: the latest and greatest that can look um that that

546
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: can look dated or like oh they were pretending, or

547
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, that it gives anything beyond what it is.

548
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Even I feel like this is true that even when

549
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: we were dressing up for a special occasion, a wedding

550
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was all sort of very classically nice outfits, right,

551
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: not like you know, the newest trend. Yeah. And and

552
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean it really was about where I shopped. Like

553
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like I really, um, I know, Jenna,

554
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: we had a moment where she had had to regimes

555
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: for something and she was and she you know, she

556
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: had done so many other everybody was doing movies and

557
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of projects and getting all kinds of fancy clothes.

558
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: And she walked into that fitting and there was like

559
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: stuff from the Gap and stuff from old Navy, and

560
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: and you know, she was used to wearing you know,

561
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: fancy fancy stuff that costs maybe two to four dred dollars.

562
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh oh, I was like I know,

563
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but we're holding the line. I

564
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: feel like that was I was like the I was

565
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: like the warrior holding the line. I'm like, we gotta

566
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: keep it real, like we've gotta it's it's what this

567
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: person would do, and and it informs, it informs how

568
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: you feel when you wear. You know, if you if

569
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: you're all wearing that these super super genes, you're gonna strut,

570
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: and that's not that character. It's the same. Like the

571
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: shoes make a huge difference. You don't ever see shoes

572
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: on a TV show, but like it really makes a

573
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: big difference. I'm sorry Angela Kinsey because she had to

574
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: wear she had to wear those nursey, those spongy nurse

575
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: shoes all the time. But that it informs so much

576
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: about how you feel and how you act. That is

577
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: so true. I'm gonna tell you a little secret right now.

578
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I this is this, This is probably crazy. This is

579
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: definitely actor nerdy. But if there were times, and there

580
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: are times on a on a television set, right you

581
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: come in but you're not on camera for whatever reason.

582
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: You know you're there to do a scene with someone else,

583
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: but you shot your side before lunch and they're not

584
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: going to see you, and so you still need to

585
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: be there or whatever. I always put on my shoes always, always,

586
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: when I'm playing a character, I always put on the

587
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: shoes of the character wears, because that so I have

588
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: not just on the office, but on multiple projects. You

589
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: there will be there, I'm sure behind the scene photos

590
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: where I'm like wearing this wouldn't be the office. But

591
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: like fans eat wing tips or something, and shorts like

592
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: shorts like totally whatever I wore into work in a

593
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: hundred degrees summer weather. But no, I would have I

594
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: put on the shoes because the shoe, it affects the

595
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: way you move, the way, yeah, the way you stand.

596
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: All of that. Absolutely, I'm so proud of you. I'm

597
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: so happy to hear you say that, because it really does.

598
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: It matters. I don't go in full wardrobe. I'll be

599
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: honest with you about that. I don't do that. Um So,

600
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about you working

601
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: with Steve, you know, one, just working with him and

602
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: helping to create Michael Scott through the wardrobe, but also

603
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: conversations that you and he may have had between like

604
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: seasons one and two, when Greg was looking to to

605
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: soften Michael a little bit and to make him more likable,

606
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: the same guy, but but give a little bit of

607
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: a reason to maybe root for him. Is there any

608
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: any specific memories you have about that. Yeah, actually I was.

609
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I was at the forefront of the

610
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: synthesis of that because it was a real challenge and

611
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: I remember feeling really anxious about because Ricky Gervais played

612
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: it so beautifully and his thing was like that tick

613
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: where he would touch his tie all the time. And

614
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: when we were first having conversations about this, and I

615
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: remember being in Greg's office and um looking at the

616
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: tapes of the original and there was a lot of

617
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: talk about like, well, we got to make the ceiling

618
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: tiles look like this because that's how they had it there,

619
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: and and you know, kind of obsessing about like the

620
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: details of how are we going to make this be

621
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: like that show? And I remember thinking in my head like,

622
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I can't do this. If that's if we're

623
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: going to try to copy this, I can't. I can't

624
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: do that. I'll go crazy trying to like figure out

625
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: the copy of these details. And so I really at

626
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: that moment sort of was like, all right, I gotta

627
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: find my own way. And yeah, with Steve's character, what

628
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: is it going to be? Is he going to be

629
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: the same as Ricky Saves? And I think in the

630
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: beginning he was kind of more hard. And then I'll

631
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: never forget I remember fourty year old Virgin came out,

632
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget. Greg Daniels saw it, and I

633
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with him and he was like, Wow,

634
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: Steve is so vulnerable in that movie, and I was

635
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, And it was almost like for Greg, I

636
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: feel like this moment of like really seeing Steve and

637
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: all that he could do, like all that he could

638
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: pull off as an actor and remember sort of thing

639
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, like he he can be vulnerable, Like

640
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: that's there, that's something we can we can draw on.

641
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: And for me it was and really for all the characters,

642
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: for all the boys, Um, the tie story. The tie

643
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: story was what was the flavor of each guy. And

644
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I think it is for guys like they go pick

645
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: their tie and that he ties us so much about you.

646
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: But I feel like Michael Scott in particular like his ties.

647
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: I feel like he thought his ties really cool, but

648
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: in reality they were just kind of these muddy, undetailed,

649
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: uh kind of static like they weren't they didn't have

650
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: a particular voice to them. And I was really dedicated

651
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: to those damn ties. Oh my god. I would go

652
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: to the end ends of the earth trying to fight.

653
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like that, to me kind of like

654
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: was his his special vulnerability as a boss, Like he

655
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: always felt like he needed to be he needed to

656
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: be something that he wasn't. He's always trying to be

657
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: so cool, Like he's always trying to be cool and

658
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: one of the guys and all this, you know, and UM,

659
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: it just wasn't him. It just wasn't him. And so

660
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: that's what that's what makes him so wonderfully funny, is

661
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: um trying to pull off being somebody that he wasn't,

662
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: you know. And if he just if he could just

663
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: like just chill out, dude, Like you don't need to

664
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: be be this everything to everybody, you know. Um. And yeah,

665
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: So I think that's where we found his character. And

666
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: I think it really took off, you know, because in

667
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: the beginning to like the very first episode is the

668
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: exact same script from the from the English version. It's

669
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: the exact same script. And I think that for the writers,

670
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: I think got to you know. I think they were like,

671
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: we can't can't do the exact same script, Like we

672
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: have this amazing cast of people of actors that are

673
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: bringing so much, you know, and I think about like

674
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Creed and Meredith and you know, Kate, like they were

675
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: kind of these ancillary characters in the beginning, and they

676
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: brought so much. They brought so much, and then it

677
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: became these great, huge characters. You know. So, um, I'm

678
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: a completely off topic here, but I feel like this

679
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: thing is like we were trying to copy, trying to

680
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: copy the original, and then we realized that we had

681
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: this incredible gift of talent and ideas, and like that's

682
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: where it really just took off. Like that's where we

683
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: started writing our own scripts and the characters really started

684
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: to gel. And um, all these other ancillary characters became

685
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: so strong and such a delicious part of it. And

686
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: here we are still talking about it now. It's crazy.

687
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: What were a few of your favorite looks that you created?

688
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, well I do. I

689
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: love Jim's three whole punch costume. That was amazing. And

690
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: Angela's all Angela's little kitty chops with a million buttons

691
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: that we change all the buttons into a little kittie

692
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: head buttons. Gosh, I don't know, I mean, there's so many.

693
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking about too, you know, the

694
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: episode that we did out in the park with the

695
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: the Sumo um costume, the inflatable sumo costumes, and then

696
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: somebody was gonna float out there, floating out there. Oh

697
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: my God, so many wacky things. I mean, we went

698
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: to we went to Ken Subornac and that costume came

699
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: up and we're like, we're gonna, We're gonna float ed

700
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: out on the lake in an inflatable costume. And I'm like,

701
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm like raising my hand like wait, wait, wait what.

702
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in charge of this. I

703
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: would get that costume, but that's not gonna that's no,

704
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: that seems dangerous. And so we actually went to Kent's house,

705
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: his swimming pool, and we had the stunt guy and

706
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: I was like, here's the thing. His body is inflatable,

707
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: which will make his head the heaviest part of it.

708
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: His head is going to go underwater, right, which is

709
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Yeah, you know it's like stuff like this,

710
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: like this is the these are the challenges. So anyways,

711
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: like that's then I made a helmet that if you look,

712
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: the helmet is like this sumer, it looks like hair,

713
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: looks like a big yeah, but it's actually it's a

714
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: flotation device. Well, I mean, yeah, all those things you

715
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: don't see. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

716
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea. You were you were literally designing

717
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: to save lives. But that should be that should be

718
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: the new costume guild, like motto we designed to save lives,

719
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: Carrie Bennett. It's just all those challenges that people don't

720
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: realize that it's it encompasses a lot like and that

721
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: every single thing that every single person wears is literally

722
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: thought through, designed, doubled, died, altered. It's a huge task

723
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: and um, it was a huge amount of costumes. I

724
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: remember the A. D. S the battle plan that they had.

725
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember like they would meet you in the

726
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: morning and they would have this rainbow colored thing of

727
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: where everyone was going to be. You're gonna go into

728
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: hair and makeup now, and you'll go to costumes and

729
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: you do you know it was it was such a

730
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: tremendous undertaking every day because it wasn't just like talking

731
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: heads like you're talking to this person, there's two people

732
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: in the scene. No, it was the entire cast in

733
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: every scene, even if you're not talking, you're in the background.

734
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: It was a massive undertaking. Yeah, I don't think we've

735
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: talked about that enough. Actually on this I may do

736
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: a little deep dive into this and figure out like

737
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: exactly how this came about because I think truly it

738
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: innovated television production. I mean, I don't know that there's

739
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: even been a show that's been as complicated or more,

740
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: but I know that that other shows are using it now.

741
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: And what Carry is talking about is the battle plan.

742
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: You know, it was color coordinated by character where you

743
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: were going to be from the moment you arrived until

744
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: everybody had to be on set. So in hair, in makeup,

745
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: in you know, you need a costume fitting this morning,

746
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: so you have to go to wardrobe, or you need

747
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: to go see props, because props there's a special something

748
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: that you have to deal with here or wherever else.

749
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: And so it like took you through the morning, whereas

750
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: on most shows, you show up, you go to hair

751
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: and makeup, you go on your trailer, you get dressed,

752
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: and you're done because there's two, three, four characters usually

753
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the day, and they try to

754
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: spread out people coming throughout the day. That's part of

755
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: what they do. But on our show, you couldn't do that. Yeah,

756
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: that was that was insane. I mean that's true. I mean,

757
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: looking back at it now, yeah, I mean it was

758
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: really really effort, Like I really felt like we were.

759
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: It was like a lot to accomplish every day, and

760
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: we all just we just did it. I mean I

761
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: remember meeting with all of the department heads production and props,

762
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: and so we would just like meet in the parking

763
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: lot before the production meeting and be like, Okay, I've

764
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: got I'll take care of this. You got this, you

765
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: got that? What is this going to be? Like that?

766
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: You know, we would just have like a quick little

767
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: like you know like that. That was like kind of

768
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: like our little sort of you know, valable. You know,

769
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: the props guys have to be on set with props,

770
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: but they also have to be in some cases either

771
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: going to buy or create or making the props for

772
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: the next week. And have you had Phil on here?

773
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: We have not. We have not talked to Phil. Oh God, okay,

774
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: you have to have him because he and I worked

775
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: so hand in hand and you know we had Again,

776
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: this comes from like my sort of fear of getting

777
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: it wrong. Um and stall started with when we had

778
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: the fire department came there was a fire department part.

779
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Fire department uniforms are really specific to regions, and I

780
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm gonna I really need to get

781
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: the patches that go for Scranton. So I called the

782
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce there and was like and got a

783
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: hold of this woman called named Mauri, and maybe I

784
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't say her name, but she was amazing, and I

785
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I told her the whole story,

786
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you think do you could

787
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: you give me the phone number for the fire department

788
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: or do you think somebody could go there and take

789
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: a picture of the patches for me? I mean, I

790
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: just and she was like, she's like, I'll do it,

791
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: I'll go I'll go do it. And she totally did it.

792
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: She went to the fire department, she took pictures of

793
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: the patches, she sent them to me, we recreated them.

794
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: And then because she was so awesome, I called her

795
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: all the time. I was like, hey, I mean, like

796
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: a delivery service, is there's something, is there someone that

797
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: you might know, or like a florist that you might know.

798
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: And then it just became a regular thing. And then

799
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: Phil started calling her and she was like, lose my number.

800
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: She was totally so wonderful. I mean, if she's out

801
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: there like I don't of course I've lost track of her.

802
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: She was amazing, um and then she set up Phil

803
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: would know it was it maybe the third season. She

804
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: was like, let's preempt our needs here because we always

805
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: needed like daily stuff like a delivery guy the radio

806
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: station that you know, just everyday things. She set up

807
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: a thing that they advertised on the radio station out there.

808
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: Phil flew out there and people came to the mall

809
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: and offered up there stuff from their businesses, like you know,

810
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: T shirts from the radio station or what, just so

811
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: that week it could be super authentic and that they

812
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: and then they had to sign off that we were

813
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: allowed to use the thing. So he when I forget,

814
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: I think I was I couldn't go. I was I

815
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: was doing scraps. I think I couldn't go. Um. But

816
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: he went out there, and and when he went, I

817
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 1: was like, if you could. I gave him a little

818
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: digital camera to take with him, Like if you could

819
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: take pictures of every person you talked to, that would

820
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: be the bomb. So he did that. I mean there

821
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: was lines of people out the mall. He said, people

822
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: followed him into the bathroom when he went to the bathroom,

823
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: and they were bringing all of their stuff and a

824
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: lot of stuff wasn't necessarily needed or useful. Like people,

825
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: remember somebody brought cupcakes with everybody's face on them. It

826
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: was amazing, It was really amazing. So yeah, so I

827
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: have all those photographs too that, um, you know, I

828
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: would like take pictures of people in uniform kids like

829
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: just like and so I have I have like my

830
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: office catalog of people and it just was like endlessly

831
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: inspiring to me just for those little little details. But yeah,

832
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: when you watch The Office, like a lot of those

833
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: details are legit, legit Scranton artifacts that legit. Well, listen,

834
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: if you need any more ammunition to have conversations when

835
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: people are like, what did you do on the Office,

836
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: how did you create? Like what they just wore suits?

837
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: Think about the number of times that the writers became

838
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: obsessed on our show with characters playing other characters, right,

839
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: so like famously Jim plays Dwight, but Kevin plays Phyllis,

840
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: and Dwight plays Kevin and Phyllis and like everybody basically

841
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: at some point and immediately you know who the characters

842
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: are because of what they're wearing. So I if you

843
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: need any more ammunition than that, you've got it. The

844
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: mustard shirts, the bad text, your jackets, the sweaters, for Phyllis.

845
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: I guess the sweaters little her little matchy matchy outfits,

846
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: matchy outfits and sweaters. Um. Thank you so much for

847
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: talking to me, Carrie. I appreciate it so much. I

848
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: mean the contribution that you have given everyone for the

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Speaker 1: for coming on and talking to me and everybody here today. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I miss you so much. I'm realizing it's just been

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Speaker 1: such a delight to be with you again. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Wow, Carrie, it was so amazing chatting with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me Now. As always,

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Speaker 1: I will be back next week with another conversation, this

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Speaker 1: time with the incredible Brian Whittle. What who's Brian Whittle? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Isn't he a character on the Office? And to that,

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Speaker 1: I say, well, yes and no, there is a Brian

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Speaker 1: Widow character, but he was named after the real life

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Speaker 1: boom operator on the Office, and in true boom operator fashion,

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Speaker 1: Brian has all the stories. He was there with us

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Speaker 1: podcast next week. But before I leave you, I have

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Speaker 1: one more exciting announcement. We've discussed it before, but after

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Speaker 1: I am going to be launching my new podcast, Off

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Speaker 1: the Beat in February. Now, I don't want to give

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Speaker 1: too much away, but I'm very excited and it is

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Speaker 1: going to go beyond anything that we have done on here.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I am talking about all of your favorite

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Speaker 1: TV creators and actors, not just the Office, so stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Will be available before you know it wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. The Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive

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Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our theme

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