1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak for this Wednesday, the twenty second 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: of February in London. Coming up today, lifting the lid 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Fed minutes to reveal the extent of support for larger 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: hikes as PMI data drives up yields. An economy at war, 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: we hear from Ukraine's former trade minister as the IMF 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: prepares to provide more cash. Gameover or the next level. 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Microsoft says it's sixty nine billion dollar activision deal must 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: include call of Juzy sheet and Pink considers Moscow trip, 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: more on the missing Chinese banker and Jeremy Hunt rules 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: out tax cuts. Those other stories we're looking at in 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: today's papers, and I'm Leanne Gern's plus what's happening at 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Wells Fargo. US regulators investigate the use of unapproved messaging apps. 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: That's on straight Ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak. Europe. The Business 14 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: News You need to start your day in just one 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bug Business app, 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning. I'm Stephen 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Carroll and I'm Caroline Heitker. Here are the stories that 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: we're following today. The US markets had their worst day 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three yesterday, with the S and P 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: five hundred down by more than two percent and yields 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: up across the curve. That's after stronger than expected PMI 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: data had traders reversing course on their FED pivot bets. 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: Minutes from the Center Bank's latest decision are out later today. 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Goldman's chief Global Equity Stratus Peter Oppenheimer told Bloomberg that 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: US equities are now far less attractive. You're getting quite 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: a high return in competing assets with much less risk. 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: So overall the biggest market in the world, we're looking 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: at a flat return. We've been preferring non US markets 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: for quite some time. We still do, but even there, 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: the absolute returns we think are willing to be relatively modid. 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Goldman's Peter Oppenheimer was speaking exclusively to Bloomberg. He joins Morgan, Stanley, J. Morgan, 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: and Bank of America, who've all warned the recovery in 33 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: stocks may now have gone too far now two geopolitical tensions. 34 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: President Joe Biden has hit back at Vladimir Putin, saying 35 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: that Russia can never win the war in Ukraine. Speaking 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: in the Polish capital, Warsaw, hours after the Russian president 37 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: blamed the West for the conflict, Biden said the war 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: could only have one winner, A dictator Ben Harry building 39 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: an empire will never be able to ease the people's 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: love of liberty. Brutality will never grind down the wall 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: of the free and Ukraine. Ukraine will never be a 42 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: victory for Russia. Never. In the speech marking almost one 43 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: year since the invasion, Biden also said that the US 44 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: and its allies would announce fresh sanctions against Moscow this week. 45 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: The IMF says it's prepared to provide sizable economic support 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: for Ukraine and a new loan program. The funder praise 47 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: Kiev's efforts to transform its economy and boost governance structures. 48 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: Timothy Milanavov, president of the Kiev School of Economics, It's 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: told us here on Daybreak Europe that Ukraine's made huge 50 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: progress in tackling corruption. I think the perception is much 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: worse than the reality. Do we have problems in corruption, absolutely, 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Have we set up an infrastructure to fight it? Absolutely? 53 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Do people want to get rid of corruption? Absolutely? Because 54 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: today every Ukrainian understands that a dollar of rubina is 55 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: the local currency, is stolen. That simply means less ammunition 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: to the front lines, and that means more people will die. 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: Timothy Milanavov was Ukraine's former Minister of Economic Development and 58 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: Trade until twenty twenty. Now the leader of Northern Ireland's 59 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Democratic Unionist Party, says that elements of Prime ministery she 60 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Soon acts post breaks It deal are not acceptable. Jeffrey 61 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Donaldson made the criticism after meeting the hardline group of 62 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: pro Brexit lawmakers from Sunac's Tory party. The Prime Minister 63 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: is currently trying to win support for his reform to 64 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: the trade rules for Northern Ireland. Microsoft says any move 65 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: to carve off popular franchises would be game over for 66 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: its sixty nine billion dollar deal to buy Activision. Antitrust 67 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: regulators hand suggested the software giant may need to sell 68 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: call of duty to allow a market competition. Microsoft president 69 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: Brad Smith to ol Bloomberg, regulators around the world have 70 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: a clear choice. We don't see a viable path to 71 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: sell off the part of this company, Activision Blizzard that 72 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: makes call of duty. Given that, I think that the 73 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: alternative is really quite clear. Either the deal gets blocked 74 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: or gets approved with guardrails. With regulatory controls. Smith's deal 75 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: is Microsoft's largest ever and one of the thirty biggest 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: acquisitions of all time. The EU, US, and UK of 77 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: all started procedures that could potentially block the deal. Wells 78 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: Fargo says that US regulators are investigating its retention of 79 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: employee communications over unapproved messaging apps. That story enough from 80 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: bloom Bags Charlie Pellets it is the latest bank to 81 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: get caught up in an industry wide suite that's already 82 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: yielded over two billion dollars in fines. Probes by the 83 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission 84 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: were disclosed in a regulatory filing. Many of Wells Fargo's 85 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: biggest rivals have already settled with the SEC and CFTC 86 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: over the matter. JP Morgan Chase agreed to pay two 87 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in late twenty twenty one. A dozen more, 88 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: including Bank of America, Citigroup, Goldman, Saxon, Morgan Stanley, reached 89 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: settlements in September in New York. Charlie Pellet Bloomberg Daybreak 90 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: Europe says our top stories on the program this morning 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: and interesting. One of the stories that start out for 92 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: me this morning carline is to do with home heating. 93 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: Not the sexiest of all topics, that has to be said, 94 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: but look, this is part of the plans that we're 95 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: seeing in countries all across Europe where they're trying to 96 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: encourage people to reduce the carbon footprint to their home. 97 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: Was entially reduced the emissions and the energy needs they have. 98 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: There is a program in place in the UK to 99 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: subsidize people to upgrade their boilers. Not that necessarily that interesting, 100 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: but essentially people aren't taking up the grants that are 101 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: out there on offer and that's going to leave the 102 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: UK falling far behind its targets when it comes to 103 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: reducing emissions in homes. Yeah. Absolutely, and this according to 104 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: this oversight group of MPs and in the House of Lords, 105 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: the Climate Change Committee in the UK. Look, I've talked 106 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: about this issue before. The problem is that the government 107 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: has tried this scheme a couple of times. They never 108 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: seem to have enough people to actually install this. The 109 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: clarity to homeowners hasn't been there and that has been 110 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: one of the criticism of this House of Lord's panel 111 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: around this issue. But you're right, it's hugely important. They've 112 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: also though, talked about hydrogen saying that that isn't a 113 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: serious option for home heat. So you're sort of at 114 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: that level of debate here in the UK, still trying 115 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: to figure out actually what the solution to home heating, 116 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: which is a massive emitter of pollution in the UK. Yeah, 117 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: and one of the things that this committee is pointing 118 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: out is the hydrogen strategy. The ideas in hydrogene homeheating 119 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: just isn't there yet. It's a good idea down the line, 120 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: but it's not a serious contender at this point to 121 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: try to reduce people's carbon footprint from their homes. There's also, 122 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: though a bigger story I think here, why are we 123 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: so obsessed with property? Yes, I think individually people in 124 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: the UK are with their own property prices, but more 125 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: broadly at industry level, there have been difficulties in property 126 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: in China. We don't have them to the same ascent 127 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: in Europe. But Chris Hughes has a great piece this 128 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: morning about how he says the reckoning has begun for 129 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: Europe's highly leveraged property companies, the real estate businesses. The 130 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: rates that have been so popular in the last ten 131 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: years with low interest rates, he says. He says that 132 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: that snowball is actually coming. Okay up next, she'ding paying 133 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: us planning a trip to Moscow are missing? Chinese banker 134 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: had plans for a poor office and Jeremy Hunt rules 135 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: out tax cuts. Now the paper review on blue Bird 136 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: day Break Europe. The news you need to know from 137 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: today's papers mostly I against us here with the details. 138 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: So the Wall Street Journal has a story headlining China 139 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: Shijing Ping plans Russia visit as Putin wage's war in Ukraine. So, 140 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: of course, as we've seen Biden in the region. Yes, indeed, 141 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: so we did see Biden both in Ukraine, in Kiev, 142 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: and then yesterday he was in Warsaw in Poland where 143 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: he addressed thousands of people, and that was quite a 144 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: spectacle yesterday. Now the Wall Street Journal is reporting that 145 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: the Chinese leader Shijinping is preparing to visit Moscow for 146 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: a summit with Russia's president in the coming months. And 147 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: this of course comes as Vladimir Putin wages war in 148 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: Ukraine and really portrays himself as a standard bearer against 149 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: a US led global order. This is all according to 150 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: this article in the Wall Street Journal. Now, a potential 151 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: visit is nothing new. It's actually been floated for months, 152 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: with Putin telling she during a December video call that 153 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: he looked forward to welcoming the Chinese leader to Russia 154 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: in the springtime. Now, China's Foreign Minister Wang Yee said 155 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Beijing is willing to work with Moscow to defend both 156 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: countries national territories. Now, this was during talks with Russia's 157 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: security chief yesterday. Wang Yee also said relations with Moscow 158 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: are quote solid as a rock. And Wang Yee has 159 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: been visiting Russia ahead of the one year anniversary of 160 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine. However, Western capitals, Caroline and Stephen 161 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: are really expressing skepticism about China's diplomatic initiative. The US 162 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: has been increasing pressure on China over its stance in Ukraine. 163 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: And we did here from the Secretary of State Anthony B. 164 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: Lincoln over the weekend that China was considering providing arms 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: to Russia. Now, this is a step. He warned the 166 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: country against taking very strong words what he said there. 167 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: And we do know that it's almost one year since 168 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: this invasion began, and it's really sent shockwaves through a 169 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: lot of the global economy and a lot of the world. Okay, Leon, 170 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: let's turn to the Financal Times next. It has more 171 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: on this missing Chinese banker that was working to set 172 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: up a family office in Singapore. Yeah. Absolutely so. This 173 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: story in the Ft gives us an insight into the 174 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: months leading up to Bao fans disappearance, which has really 175 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: sent a chill across business circles in China. According to 176 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: people with knowledge who have been speaking to the Ft 177 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: knowledge of his plans, the Chinese investment banker was preparing 178 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: to move some of his fortune from China and Hong 179 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: Kong to Singapore in the months before he actually disappeared. Bao, 180 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: who founded China Renaissance, has transformed the investment bank into 181 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: one of China's top financial institutions. Now he's one big 182 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: tech deals from larger Wall Street rivals, and according to 183 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: the FT, since China's President Xi Jinping has introduced policies 184 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: that have really hit the tech sector, many wealthy Chinese 185 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: tycoons have launched family offices in Singapore. So this seems 186 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: to be something that is growing as people do look 187 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: to diversify where they are working. A bow. He's been 188 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: missing now for a month and the company say he 189 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: is still completely unreachable at this time. Doesn't seem to 190 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: be any official word on this from any Chinese authorities certainly, 191 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, ue quite interesting. Look. The Telegraph has a 192 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: story about the UK Jeremy Hunt rules out tax cuts 193 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: in the upcoming budget. Again, we've heard quite a lot 194 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: about the budget, haven't we, Caroline, and it's happening next month, 195 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: and the chancellors feeling the pressure now from concern over 196 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: to backbenches and also business leaders. It's important to point out, 197 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: and speaking at a green industry event yesterday in East London, 198 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: Jeremy Hunt is insisting there is no room for tax 199 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: cuts in his March budget. Now. He's dismissed suggestions that 200 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: he had been handed this windful after the government achieved 201 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: a surprise five point four billion dollars surplus that was 202 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: back in January. So despite a real improvement in public finances, 203 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: also energy costs, we've seen them go down, haven't we 204 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: in the last couple of months. The Chancellor appears to 205 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: be standing firm that he's not going to ease the 206 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: tax burden which is at a seventy year high, and 207 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 1: he's also under pressure not to lift corporation tax to 208 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: twenty five percent from nineteen percent. But you're almost standing 209 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: resolute at the moment where if you have a look 210 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: at this piece than the telegraph. But you know what 211 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: you turns I'm not saying are a common but we 212 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: know you know we're waiting until happen in recent years. 213 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Oh yeah, so that's good on the budget 214 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: of fifteenth Demosh, thank you so much, Leanne Garans. Well, 215 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: we'll get an insight into the thinking of the Federal 216 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: reserves last meeting in the minutes which are being published 217 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: later on today. I mean, while we've seen this renewed 218 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: surge in treasury yields as traders increasingly fear the Federal 219 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: Reserve is nowhere near wrapping up its war against inflation, 220 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: let alone pivoting bond investors. At one point, we're betting 221 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: on rate cuts in twenty twenty three. For more, let's 222 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: speak to our chief AGA economics correspondent and a current 223 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: and what should we be looking forward to and looking 224 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: out for in these minutes. Well, I think the tone 225 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: from the minute today will set the kind of debate 226 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: around whether or not FED is actually serious about moving 227 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: back towards fifty basis points of hikes in the coming months, 228 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: or at the very least, failing that, if they say that, 229 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: look we're going to We're happy to move by smaller increments, 230 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: but you all need to be ready for FED funds 231 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: right ending up at a higher peak than everyone thought 232 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: even at the start of the year. And as you 233 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: mentioned there, Stephen, coming into the beginning of the year, 234 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: the whole nartive was global recession, European energy crisis, China 235 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: was in COVID zero, the US was meant to be 236 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: heading for our recession, and those sort of that kind 237 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: of addlicas changed in recent weeks, and inflation and we've 238 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: had spending in the US continue to surprise in the upside, 239 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: and therefore the Fed is under pressure to keep raising 240 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: rates because inflation inflation remains well outside of this two 241 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: percent target. Okay, last week Levetemesta and James Bullard said 242 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: that larger hikes were still possible, So there was a 243 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: kind of flag that went up. But then non voting members, 244 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: how much support could they have on the committee? Is 245 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: that something we'll find out for the minutes. Well, yeah, 246 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: I guess number one, they are non voting as you mentioned, 247 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: but Jim Bullard, I guess in particular, is a well 248 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: known hawk, so he's probably expected to be in that 249 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: end of the spectrum. I think it would be something 250 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: of a surprise for the FED to turn around and 251 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: start going from twenty five back to fifty. That maybe 252 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: would signal that if they've lost control of the trajectory 253 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: of our policies heading or at least they're panicking a 254 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: little bit. Sherman Powell has made the point time and 255 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: again there they're going to watching dada. I think the 256 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: key takeaway for the Minutes will be that the idea 257 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: that the FEDER were getting close to a pause, I 258 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: think it's probably going to have to push back further now. 259 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: That's just because of what we saw in remember those 260 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: red hot job numbers that came in for the month 261 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: of January. We've seen retail spending in the US continue 262 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: to be very strong, despite what's happened with the interest 263 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: rates and boring costs over there over the past a 264 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: year or so. And then of course you have inflation 265 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: reading itself remaining somewhat elevated, and in fact, in some 266 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: areas given the change to the methodology, we've seen actually 267 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: inflation started increase again in sections like clothing for example, 268 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: even though it had been slowing down last year. So 269 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: still plenty of concern there, and I think that's causing 270 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: people who ad just readjust on where the FED is going. 271 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 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