1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three friends, three Kansas City 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Chiefs fans, dead in the backyard and on the porch 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: of another friend. To other Chiefs fans have a cold 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: blooded reaction when they meet face to face in court 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: over the murder of their friends. I'm Nancy Grace. This 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: with us. Two former friends are accused of killing three 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs fans, and they just sat in the 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: last days, shoulder to shoulder in a Missouri courtroom, staring coldly, 10 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: straight ahead, stone face and never stating a single word 11 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: to each other. It was Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson, 12 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: less than five feet apart in the Platte County courtroom 13 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: before Judge Abe Quint Schaeffer. Willis was wearing a blue 14 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: buttoned down and slacks. He's free on one hundred thousand 15 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: dollars bond. Carson steel jailed hobbled in wearing an orange 16 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: jumpsuit and ankle shackles. Each one faces three counts of 17 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: second degree felony murder and distribution of drugs and the 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: deaths of their friends, Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton mcgeiney. 19 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: Their frozen bodies were found outside Jordan Willis's home on 20 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: a cold January ninth. All of them had gathered for 21 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: what was supposed to be a fun Sunday watch party 22 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: watching the Chiefs, and despite a friendship amongst all of 23 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: them group text being fans of the Chiefs regular get togethers, 24 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: these do didn't even look at each other in court. 25 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: And I think I know why. Two arrested over the 26 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs fans who apparently froze 27 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: to death and their scientist's friend backyard and on his porch, 28 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: and he didn't notice a thing for two days. A 29 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: guy is dead, your friend is dead in a lounge 30 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: chair on your porch, and you go two days ignoring 31 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: repeated calls, text messages, social media requests from family and friends. 32 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: You don't see any of that. You show up at 33 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: the front door and you're underwear with a glass of 34 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: wine and go, hahua, listen. 35 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson have been charged with distribution 36 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: of a controlled substance and three counts of involuntary manslaughter. 37 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: That from our friends at k NBC nine News joining 38 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: me in All Star Panel but first I want to 39 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: go to a very special guest joining us. It's Jonathan Price, 40 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the brother of one of those three victims, Ricky Johnson. Jonathan, 41 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: thank you for being. 42 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: With us, Thank you for having me Nancy. 43 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Jonathan, I wonder sometimes if this day would ever come. 44 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: You said from the get go, something is wrong, something 45 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: is horribly wrong. It didn't happen this way, and you 46 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: were right, yeah, it just from. 47 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: The very beginning, it didn't make sense. And it still 48 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: doesn't make sense that they were able to rule out 49 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: foul play from day one, and then you know, with 50 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: these charges. I mean, I don't know the legal definition 51 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: of foul play, but it definitely seems like they now 52 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: believe that there was foul play. So just keeping us 53 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: in the dark for this long, it's very troubling, but 54 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: there is still a sense of relief among all of 55 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: us that this is hopefully coming to a conclusion. 56 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: You guys have been dragged through hell and back. And 57 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: during the Super Bowl when of the Chiefs were playing, 58 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: I thought about you and your family, and I wondered 59 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: what's going through their minds tonight as everybody's celebrating and partying, 60 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: and you still did not have answers in your brother's death. 61 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think about Ricky daily, 62 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: and you know, even more so when the Chiefs are 63 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: playing or KU's playing. You know, there's you know, he 64 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: cared much about his family and his sports, and we 65 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: shared that our entire lives and uh, you know those 66 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: those memories will always live on and uh, you know, 67 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: like I said before, it's there. There is a sense 68 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: of relief that, you know, something that's coming. 69 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: From all of this. Well, I was wondering, Jonathan, when 70 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: everybody was celebrating and there was the big lead up 71 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: to the Chiefs playing in the Super Bowl and everybody's 72 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: what's Taylor Swift gonna wear? And are they going to 73 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: get engaged? Is she pregnant? Blah blah blah blah blah. 74 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: Were you thinking what about my brother? What about my brother? 75 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: Because I was thinking that the whole way through the 76 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. 77 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, every day we've been saying this, and 78 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: you know, it kind of went a radio asilent for 79 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 3: a very long time. And then you know, we were 80 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: still hearing that there was no foul play. You know, 81 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 3: there's there's just too much still out there, and it's 82 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: it's all about what's going to come out of trial. 83 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: But you know there's still lots of questions. 84 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Jonathan, there is absolutely gonna to be 85 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: a trial. You guys kept in the dark for so long, 86 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: which must have been agonizing, agonizing as you wanted so 87 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: badly for your brother to get justice, and to think 88 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: that for all that time, he sat in his house, 89 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: throwing back the booze, hanging around in his underwear. And 90 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: this guy is no idiot. He's a scientist, for Pete's sake. 91 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: Ignoring the dead body in allounced chair on the porch, 92 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: ignoring his friend's cars parked directly in front of his house. 93 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: How can you ignore that? How can you not hear 94 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: the phone for two days, not notice that you are 95 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: being barraged in social media and texts and emails, acting 96 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: like nothing happened, and then to pack up and leave town. Well, 97 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: this is how the whole thing started. 98 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: January seventh, there is a football day for the Kansas 99 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: City Chiefs as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers. 100 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 4: So thirty eight year old Jordan Willis it's a couple 101 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: of buddies to come to his house and watch the game. 102 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton mcghiney arrive at Willis's 103 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 4: house just in time for the three twenty five kickoff. 104 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 4: They enjoy the games. The Chiefs beat the Chargers thirteen 105 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: to twelve, and Willis makes plans for them to get 106 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: tickets to the next home game. 107 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: So everything's fine. They're all there watching the game together. 108 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Then what happens after the game? Jordan Willis waves the 109 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: guys off and crashes on the couch. 110 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not 111 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: leave his home at all. He would normally have to 112 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: take his dogs Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business, 113 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: but they're all staying at his dad's place. 114 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute. He had described his dogs as 115 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: the quote loves of his life. How did they end 116 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: up somewhere else? Okay, that's just a tangential question. But 117 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: right there, something is way wrong. Joining me. Crime Stories 118 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave Matt Right there, Dave, Jordan Willison, this 119 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: is on a sun the scientist. He waves away the 120 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: friends and claims he crashes on the sofa for what 121 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: the next two or three days? I mean, if you 122 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: take it from Sunday until finally the police were at 123 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: the front door after the girlfriend breaks in the window 124 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: to find the dead body and starts screaming. I mean, 125 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: that's his story day, seriously. 126 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 5: And he's sticking to it, Nancy. He has always claimed 127 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: that he crashed out, doesn't know what the guys did. 128 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 5: He was sound asleep for the next seventy two hours, 129 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 5: and he missed all the messages. He didn't get any 130 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 5: pet he didn't get any text messages, phone calls because 131 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 5: that phone was ringing off the hook. All those guys, 132 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 5: family and friends were reaching out to him because they 133 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 5: were always in contact. But Jordan Willis claims he slept 134 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 5: through the entire thing for three days and he only 135 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 5: got up when they basically broke into his house and 136 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: tell him there were dead guys on the backyard. 137 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan Price is with me. This is Ricky Johnson's brother 138 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: who passed away. You know, when I think about what 139 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: he went through, it was so cold out there, do 140 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: you let yourself. I mean, I try not to think 141 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: about what my fiance went through when he was murdered. 142 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: He was shot five times in the face, the neck, 143 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: the head, and I try not to think about it, 144 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: because it will mess me up so badly, and I 145 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: have children to raise. Do you ever let yourself think 146 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: about what Ricky went through while their friend was inside 147 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: in his underwear passed out. 148 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about that all the time, you know, 149 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: especially with you know, these these three gentlemen, you know, 150 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: being inseparable for a very very long time, and for 151 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: all three of them to happen at the exact same time, 152 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: and what some of them were going through in the 153 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: final moments of seeing maybe one of their friends go 154 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: down first. So many questions still on how that would 155 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: have happened. 156 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: And I pray that all the facts, not just some 157 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: of the facts, but that all the facts will come 158 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: out and we will know. Is no idiot? Three days 159 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Sunday Monday Tuesy, and I never knew my friend. My 160 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: friend was dead on the front on the back porch, 161 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: and my other friends were dead lying in my yard. 162 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: How can he? How can he say that? Oh? Yeah, 163 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: and all the phone calls and all the texts and 164 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: all the emails and all the social media. He said 165 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: he was wearing noise canceling headphones for three days. 166 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 6: Really, he says he was wearing noise canceling earphones, and 167 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 6: he was in his house. He didn't notice the car 168 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 6: in front, and he didn't notice three of his friends. 169 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 6: He wasn't texting them the day after. Hey, guys, let's 170 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 6: go get tickets for the next game because the Chiefs 171 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 6: had won. Completely acted like he was completely shut off 172 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 6: from the whole world and noise canceling headphones. Sure, maybe right, 173 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 6: You maybe can't hear a little in the next room, 174 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 6: but you're going to hear people beating on your door 175 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 6: and you're going to see your phone flowing up for 176 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 6: two days. 177 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: So let me understand something, Dave Mac. How many days 178 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: passed before the girlfriend the fiance has to come and 179 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: literally break in? When did that happen? Just give me 180 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: a number. 181 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 7: Two days? 182 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: All right? 183 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 5: Two days? 184 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: What day was on the game was Tuesday? 185 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: Games on Saturday, on Sunday the seventh, and Tuesday the 186 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: ninth is the day police are at the door. 187 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: Okay, you know what. They didn't teach me math in 188 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: law school. But seven eight nine, that's three days. Seven 189 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: is Sunday, the day of the game, which is in 190 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: the early afternoon, all night, all day Monday until finally Tuesday, 191 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: when the fiance is beside herself. She can't find her 192 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: fiance and goes looking for him. Listen. 193 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 8: On January eight, friends and family are concerned. They were 194 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 8: headed to Jordan willis house to watch the game, but 195 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 8: now none of the guys, including Jordan Willis, are replying 196 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 8: to messages on social media or by phone. 197 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 9: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine to fifty one pm, Clayton 198 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 9: McKinney's fiance shows up at the house. She sees the 199 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 9: cars in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the 200 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 9: phone or replying to messages, she breaks into the home 201 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 9: and screams Willis's name. She walks through the house. Then 202 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 9: she looks on the back porch and sees a body. 203 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, okay, Jonathan Price is joining me. This 204 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: is Ricky's brother, beloved brother. I might ad they grew 205 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: up together, and they would argue about who's going to 206 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: watch Power Rangers and who's gonna watch ESPN. Very very 207 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: loving relationship, their whole lives. In my mind, that's three days. 208 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: You got the Chiefs game early afternoon Sunday, there together 209 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: in Sunday night all day Monday, Monday night, and then 210 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: Tuesday nine fifty one that's nearly ten o'clock at night. 211 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: Clayton's fiance comes hysterical trying to find him, has to 212 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: break in and seize a dead body. Is my timing correct, Jonathan? 213 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: I mean it appears to be correct. You know, I'm 214 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 3: not very good at math either, but you know, there's 215 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: there's a question in my mind that there's no possible 216 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: way you can sleep that long and just not know 217 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: what's going on. 218 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: I agree, Jonathan, no way. What was he doing in 219 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: the joining me is a veteran defense attorney who has 220 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: handled a number of high profile cases. Derek Smith is 221 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: joining me out of Ohio. He's at d W Smithlegal 222 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: dot com. Derek, really the defense I slept through the 223 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: whole thing. I mean, for those of you who just 224 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: joining us, finally movement a bombshell arrest of two people 225 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: in connection with the deaths of three Kansas City chiefs 226 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: fans who were frozen to death and their buddy, the 227 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: scientist backyard Derek Smith. Can he really look at a 228 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: jury and say, I slept for three days with noise 229 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: canceling headsets on, I knew nothing. 230 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 10: Yes and no, and this is a terrible situation. Is 231 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 10: best friends some of his frenzies with this whole entire life. 232 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 10: Like they said, they were very close, utter uttershock and 233 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 10: disbelief and just manic depression will put somebody down. Looking 234 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 10: out your window and seeing your friends in the condition 235 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 10: they were in. That's enough right there to send a 236 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 10: person into deep shock, disbelief and just pass right back out. 237 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: Does not want to be that's a good one. So 238 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: he saw the bodies and then passed back out, you 239 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: know to doctor Hidie Green joining me, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist, 240 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: author of The Path to Self Love and World Domination, 241 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Heidie Green dot com. Doctor Heidie. So now we're 242 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: getting a spin on that and no telling what it's 243 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: going to morph into by the time this goes to trial. 244 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: So Jonathan Price braced yourself. So Derek Smith is spinning 245 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: it out, you know, like Rumpel Stileskin would take that 246 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: nasty hay out of the barn and spin it into gold. 247 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: He is now hypothesizing that the defendant, one of the 248 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: two arrested in the desks of three people that were 249 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: left to freeze out in the yard one on his porch, 250 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: is that he came to from his deep sleep, you know, 251 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: I'll throw in sleeping Beauty there he came to, saw 252 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: the dead body of his friend and then passed out. 253 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Heidi Green, psychologically speaking, that seems very unlikely to me. 254 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 7: So it is very unlikely that he fell unconscious for 255 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 7: seventy two hours as a result of a significant trauma. 256 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 7: And we can say if your friends died accidentally, if 257 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 7: that's what we're going with, and you saw them in 258 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 7: your home, it's obviously possible that you would have a 259 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 7: significant trauma response, and that trauma response could include a 260 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 7: freeze response. I could see somebody maybe being in their 261 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 7: house terrified to answer the throne, terrified to go and 262 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 7: look at the bodies, wanting to essentially just pretend like 263 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 7: nothing's going on. But to actually be unconscious for seventy 264 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 7: two hours, that seems far less likely as a trauma report. 265 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, it was a bone chilling 266 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: January nine, mcgheiney's fiance, April Mahoney, actually broke into Willis's 267 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: home after she had called over and over and over 268 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: frantically trying to find her love, who she had not 269 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: heard from for two days, and it was there she 270 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: found the bodies of three men in all frozen solid, 271 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: all still dressed in their Kansas City Chiefs gear, slumped 272 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: in the backyard, and now there remained two, Jordan Willis 273 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: and Ivory Carson. The two sat lesson five feet apart 274 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: in court as a judge ruled their case. We'll go 275 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: to trial. What happened that Sunday afternoon. 276 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 8: Clayton mcguinea's fiance Colls Police officers arrived to find Willis 277 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 8: in his underwear with an empty glass of wine in hand. 278 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 8: According to the victims' families, the other two bodies were 279 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 8: then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis tells police he 280 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 8: has no idea what happened. John Piserno, and attorney representing Willis, 281 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 8: said his client had no idea his friends were dead 282 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 8: until police knocked on his door. Tayley Lettier wrote, my 283 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 8: husband banged on his door for twenty minutes. My friend 284 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 8: banged on his door and then busted a window and 285 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 8: yelled and announced her presence while she's inside and steal 286 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 8: nothing from him. Then the cops come ten minutes later, 287 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 8: and he comes out nonchalant in his boxers with an 288 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 8: empty wine glass in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave 289 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 8: Clay and Ricky need and deserve justice. 290 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: Yes they do. And Jonathan Price is with me. This 291 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: is Ricky's brother, Jonathan. Your brother is always described as 292 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: a Kansas City Chief fan. That's really not doing him justice. 293 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: He was so much more. Tell me, well, Ricky was 294 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: very humble. 295 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 3: He loved everybody he ever interacted with. He always saw 296 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: the good and people. He helped out anybody in need anytime, 297 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 3: no matter if at one time they were seen as 298 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: you know, enemies or or you know, just not friends 299 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: in general. But he was just such a kind person, 300 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: loving father, brother, son, cousin. You know, he he was 301 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: truly cherished by our entire family. 302 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Tell me about your family, Well, I mean. 303 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: We kind of we grew up, you know, separated at 304 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: some points, but we always came together for family events. 305 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 11: You know. 306 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 3: We were always there at Christmas times, holding our own 307 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: different Christmases to make sure that all of our schedules 308 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 3: matched up to where we can all see each other. 309 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: And when I was in the military, anytime I came home, 310 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: they were Ricky and my other brother Rusties, they always 311 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: made it a point, and my sister Lisa, they always 312 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: all made it a point to come home all to 313 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: be together every time. So we you know, we chaished 314 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 3: each other. And there's very fond memories of uh of 315 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 3: Ricky growing up and everything he was to all of us. 316 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: When you say the memories you had growing up memories, Well. 317 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: My love for football, I love for all sports came 318 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: from Ricky. You know, seeing my my two oldest brothers, 319 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: you know, throwing the football farther that I could imagine 320 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: when I was a you know, small child, I just 321 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: I looked up to them. You know. We we went 322 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: to the very first game that Patrion Mahomes was playing 323 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: in the preseason, and uh we you know, he met 324 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: my entire family. And you know, even though we were 325 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: states away, you know, we always we always talked about 326 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: the sports of Kansas City and you know, everything that 327 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 3: we were accomplishing. Finally, after so many years of being 328 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: you know, an up and down team. You know, we 329 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: we shared a lot of memories together, and uh, I 330 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: just I love them. 331 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: We are learning more about the deaths of the so 332 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: called Three Chiefs. 333 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 12: Fans as news starts to spread of the three friends 334 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 12: freezing to death in the backyard while their friend is 335 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 12: asleep inside. The families of the victims begin to speak 336 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 12: out and ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis 337 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 12: is what happened next? Was why didn't you answer calls, 338 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 12: text messages and social media messages from family and friends 339 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 12: of the three men. 340 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 4: The Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the next 341 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 4: two days in his home not thinking anything of the 342 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 4: fact that his friend's cars were still outside, and only 343 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 4: learned they died when the fiance of one of the 344 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: men broke into the house on January ninth in the 345 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: hopes of finding him. 346 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: Jonathan Price, Where were the victims cars part in relation 347 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: to the friends home? 348 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: I guess if you're based on what I've heard, if 349 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 3: you look out the front door, they were just off 350 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: to the right, And I guess there was potentially out 351 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: of the three cars, because I think someone might have carpooled. 352 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 3: But either way, my brother drove in that F one fifty, 353 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: so it was, you know, se my large truck right 354 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: there in the front. There's no way to miss it. 355 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: So Barry Hudgeson joining me, former l e now chief 356 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri. 357 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: Barry let me understand, so this guy the so called 358 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: friend could find a wine glass and fill it up 359 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: with wine, and find his noise canceling headphones. He could 360 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: find those, he could see those, but he couldn't see 361 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: his dead friend on the porch and in the yard, 362 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: or their vehicles part in front of his house. 363 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 13: Man see this story, you know, his his excuses for 364 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 13: how everything happened. 365 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: It just makes no sense at all. 366 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 13: You know, I've been thinking about this and one of 367 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 13: the things that I thought about. You know, the guy 368 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 13: came to the door in his underwear, and he said 369 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 13: that he had been asleep for seventy two hours. We 370 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 13: knew that he'd been drinking a lot, apparently, so if 371 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 13: he slept for solid three hours, don't you think his 372 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 13: body would have evacuated while he was asleep for three 373 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 13: solid days. If he never got up, he would have 374 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 13: wet hisself. Did he come to the door with soiled 375 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 13: underwear or did he look like he urinated on his sef? 376 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 13: You know, when you arrest a drunk on the street 377 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 13: most of the time and they're awake, theype all over 378 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 13: their self. This guy didn't look like he urinated on 379 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 13: his stef because if he didn't, that kind of shoots 380 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 13: that story right in behind the end. 381 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: He asked me, Yeah, I mean he had to get 382 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: up and go to the bathroom. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me, 383 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: and he's here for other reasons, but since we're on 384 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: this topic, Doctor Kendall Crown's with me. Chief Medical Examiner 385 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: Terrant County. That's fort Worth never Alike, a business esteemed 386 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine TCU and launching a 387 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: new PODCASTA Dead on Arrival March seven. Doctor Crown's is 388 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: that true what Barry just told us? I mean, how 389 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: could he go seventy two hours drinking let me add 390 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: that in and not getting up and finding his way 391 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Oh? 392 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 14: I agree with that. There's no way you could sleep 393 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 14: for three days after consuming them with chilcohol and also 394 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 14: eating that. Your body wouldn't urinate on itself for defecates. 395 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 14: So it's impossible to believe that he spent that entire 396 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 14: time asleep and not getting up and go at least 397 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 14: going to the bathroom. 398 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 9: Jordan Willis's attorney, John Piserno, refuses to answer questions about 399 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 9: whether the men were using drugs. Paserno says there was 400 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 9: a fifth man in the home on the night of 401 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 9: January seventh. Willis says the man is a buddy who 402 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 9: left earlier than the other three men. 403 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 4: As the investigation heated up, Jordan Willis moved out of 404 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 4: the home and checked into rehab. A forensic data extraction 405 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 4: found text messages on Harrington's phone between Willis, mcgheini, Johnson, 406 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 4: and others that proved Carson was the person who supplied 407 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: the group with cocaine, DNA evidence mash Willis identifying him 408 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: as a major contributor, and DNA evidence from the second bag. 409 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: Matt Carson, confirming his role as the drugs of liar. 410 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: Packs up and goes to rehab. So to Jonathan Price, 411 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: when did you learn that the so called best friend 412 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: of your brother packs up, clears out the house, takes 413 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: his dog, and goes to rehab. 414 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: I mean, the only time that we found out was 415 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 3: whenever he was reported in the news, which is kind 416 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: of the unfortunate part of all this. But if you 417 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 3: have the mental capacity to know you have a problem 418 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: after the fact and check yourself into rehab, then you 419 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: know you know more about what happened that night. And 420 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if you shared that or not with 421 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: the authorities. But the fact that he was not detained, 422 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 3: you know, after that night or the past fourteen months, 423 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: doesn't really make any sense to me. 424 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know too, Derek Smith. Why is that the 425 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: go to with your clients and all the stars. It's 426 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: only after they're busted for something that they suddenly realize 427 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: they have a problem and they hide out in rehabit. 428 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 10: Well, unfortunately, it takes an event like that to really 429 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 10: change lifestyle or change a mindset or even in these 430 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 10: cases a serious edition. 431 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: I mean, it's akin to. 432 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 10: Being in a certain way of life, certain way of 433 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 10: doing things. Everything's fine as long as everything's fine, and 434 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 10: then something tragic or something terrible, or the law gets 435 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 10: involved and you have to make a drastic change. And 436 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 10: that's unfortunately just how it is. 437 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: Sometimes. 438 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a special guest just joining us, 439 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Eric Zand is with us. It is the Platte County 440 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: prosecutor who was working on the case. And I know 441 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: Eric number one, thank you for being with us. But 442 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: I know what you can say is limited, having been 443 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: a prosecutor for many years myself, but I want to 444 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. The family questioned this 445 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: from the get go, and I know the prosecutors get 446 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: the case once LA law enforcement finished their investigation. But 447 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, having dealt with so many crime victims, 448 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: how agonizing this has been for the family to be 449 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: waiving the banner. This isn't right, This isn't normal. This 450 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: guy's not innocent. He won't say a word to us 451 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: about what happened. This is the alleged best friend. They've 452 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: been waiting all this time. Now, Eric, don't get me wrong, 453 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm glad we finally have bombshell arrests in the deaths 454 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: of the three Kansas City chiefs. Fans, but what took 455 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: so long? Please explain it? 456 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, You're absolutely right, and Nancy, this was a long 457 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 11: time coming. And our hearts absolutely go out to these 458 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 11: family members. I met with them shortly after these deaths, 459 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 11: and it's just really tragic. It's honestly, it's another reminder 460 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 11: of the dangers of street drugs, and these cases are 461 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 11: tough to put together. Cracking down who's responsible providing these 462 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 11: drugs is no easy task. But I can't tell you 463 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 11: how proud I am Nancy of the Kansas City Police 464 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 11: Department and prosecutors in my office who from day one 465 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 11: said that they weren't going to rest until we exhausted 466 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 11: every possible resource to bring the people we believe responsible 467 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 11: for these crimes to justice, and yesterday was the first 468 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 11: step in that. As you know, these men are presumed 469 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 11: innocent and lesson until proven guilty. But we've charged them 470 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 11: what we think happened, which was providing cocaine and fentanyl 471 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 11: and causing the deaths of these three men. 472 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, this is what Platte County 473 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Eric Zand had to say. 474 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: A doctor with Forensic Medical of Kansas found that mister mcgheini, 475 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 2: mister Harrington, and mister Johnson all died of fentanyl and 476 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: cocaine combined toxicity. 477 00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: Now from our forensic KMBC nine News. So Eric assertion, 478 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: what you're going to prove, I think in trial is 479 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: that the casual use of a little cocaine, although family 480 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: says that at least one of the victims had never 481 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: used cocaine before, but the casual use of cocaine turned 482 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: deadly because it was cut with fentanyl. 483 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 11: Yeah, in this case, what we alleged is that there 484 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 11: were two baggies found at the scene, one of those 485 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 11: baggies contained cocaine. The other baggie we alleged contained fentanyl. 486 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 11: The me found that it was a combination of those 487 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 11: two drugs that caused these men's deaths. And so we've 488 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 11: charged both of the men, one of them who we 489 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 11: believe provided the cocaine, the other who we alleged sold 490 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 11: the fentanyl. 491 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: That caused these deaths. 492 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 11: And we allege, because we charged with them with manslaughter, 493 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 11: that they recklessly caused the deaths of these three men. 494 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to what Jonathan Price 495 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: had to say. 496 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: From the very beginning. 497 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 15: He said that before the fifth person came out, he 498 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 15: said that Jordan was there sporadically throughout the day and 499 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 15: then whenever. And then he also did not mention in 500 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 15: a fifth person. But once the fifth person came out, 501 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 15: then he changed it to saying that there was a 502 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 15: fifth person and that he was asleep the entire time. 503 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 15: So those were two very specific details that were specific 504 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 15: in the opening statement but then changed over time. 505 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: So Alexis Tereschuk, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter the 506 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: best friend now charged in a homicide case, changed his story. 507 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: He never mentioned anybody else was there, beside him and 508 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: his three buddies all dead, frozen dead in the backyard, 509 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: and he goes three days and doesn't notice they're on 510 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: his back porch. There's a mystery guy, a fifth person. 511 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: Alex says he changed his story why because the fifth 512 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: person was a person that provided the drugs. 513 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 6: According to police, this is somebody who they have all 514 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 6: known for quite a while that Jordan has known, and 515 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 6: he was contacted and this man brought the drugs. 516 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: This so there's cocaine. 517 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 6: Jordan Willis's DNA is on the cocaine, Ivory Carson's DNA 518 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 6: is on the bag of fentanyl, and that is the 519 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 6: toxic combination that killed these men. So he was he 520 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 6: had come over and brought them the cocaine. And the 521 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 6: way that the police found this out wasn't through Jordan Willis. 522 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 6: He never mentioned any of these details. But David Harrington's 523 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 6: phone is the one phone that they were able to 524 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 6: extract evidence from, and they saw on there there were 525 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 6: group chats about buying the cocaine. Willis was the one 526 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 6: that would always provide it for them. These other guys 527 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 6: didn't have enough. Cocain's expensive, it's not a cheap drug. 528 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 6: And then you topped that off of the Fennyl and 529 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 6: he was the one that did it. So there were 530 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 6: group chat tech messages that showed that these were having out. 531 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: The drugs to air. Exanne joining me right now, Platts 532 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: County prosecutor, who is charged with last swing all this 533 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: evidence and presenting it to a jury, did he really 534 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: think we wouldn't find out about the fifth guy, the 535 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: mystery man, and all of his statements at the get 536 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: go that was never mentioned. Now we know why he 537 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: was the dope. 538 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 11: Dealer well, and Nancy, I can't. I can't comment on 539 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 11: exactly what either of these defendants thought or said, but 540 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 11: what I can tell you is that we allege that 541 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 11: mister Willis provided cocaine and mister Carson sold Entinel to 542 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 11: these men, and we alleged that resulted in the deaths 543 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 11: of these three great people who were boyfriend's husbands, fathers, 544 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 11: sons of people in Kansas City. It's truly tragic. And 545 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 11: here's what folks have to understand. If you deal drugs 546 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 11: and somebody dies as a result, we will do everything 547 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 11: we can to make sure that you're held accountable for 548 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 11: the deaths of those people. That's exactly what we're trying 549 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 11: to do in this case. 550 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The bodies of David Harrington, 551 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: Clayton mcgheaney, and Ricky Johnson all found in the backyard 552 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: of their friend Jordan Willis's home Kansas City last January, 553 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: frozen dead. The temperature that night was just eighteen degrees 554 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: fear and height. One of the victims seated upright in 555 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: a patio chair, the others lying sprawled nearby, ice crusted 556 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: on their faces. Investigators now calling it quote foul play 557 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: by stealth and to psychology reports confirm all three died 558 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: of cocaine laced with fentanel. Police even find two plastic 559 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: baggies in the home, one containing cocaine with Willis's DNA 560 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: and another with fentanyl and Carson's DNA. Video was shown 561 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: in court Willis sitting in the back of a police 562 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: cart telling his version of the night before. He went 563 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: on to insist he had no idea his friends died 564 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: just steps away from him. What more do we know? 565 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 15: You look at any of their facebooks, any picture that's 566 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 15: posted that it's not of their family, it's of these men. 567 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 15: And if just one of them even two of them 568 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 15: passed out at the same time, which is already impossible. 569 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 15: You know, the other man would have absolutely brought them 570 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 15: inside and called for help something. So that's just insane. 571 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: This is what Platt County Prosecutor Eric Xander tells us. 572 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 2: He saw a large play of cocaine allegedly supplied by 573 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: mister Willis that everyone was using. 574 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, the defendant provided it, the friend, the friend, 575 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: the scientists, the HIV researcher Jordan Willis H thirty nine. 576 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: The best friend supplied a plate of coke, possibly laced 577 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: with fentanyl to his friends. You were just hearing from 578 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: our friends at KMBC nine US to doctor Kendall Crown's 579 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: joining us, Doctor Kendll crowns, I want to understand how 580 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: the use of these drugs, potentially cocaine cut with fentanyl. 581 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: Don't know if they knew it was cut with fentanyl, 582 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: what that would look like. I mean, it's hard for 583 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: me to understand. Although I've heard about it, I've prosecuted, 584 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: I've seen it at crime scenes where you have a 585 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: party and there's a plate of cocaine out. I mean, 586 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: I would think there'd be sandwiches and chicken wings, right, salery, carrots, 587 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: ranch dip. There's a plate of cocaine and everybody's doing it. 588 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: You know how many times have you heard that, mom? 589 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: Everybody's doing it? How are people supposed to know that 590 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: cocaine can be laced with dentanyl and what fentanyl can 591 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: do with you? Even a touch a fentanyl can kill you. 592 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: So what would fentanyl look like? Can it be in 593 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: a powder form? Yes, it can. 594 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 14: Actually it'll be kind of in a wipe. It can 595 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 14: be in a white pottery form. It can be in 596 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 14: the form of a fake percocet, which is a blue 597 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 14: pill that has an M thirty label on it. It 598 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 14: can be a patch. It can even be on a 599 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 14: Lazans type sucker is one of the ways it is distributed. 600 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 14: But anyway, cocaine, if it's cut with something fentanyl, can 601 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 14: be very deadly. 602 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: And you don't know. 603 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 14: How much fentanyl has been put in there, how much 604 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 14: fentanyl you're actually getting with the amount of cocaine that's 605 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 14: been cut with it. So that's why you could have 606 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 14: a group of people sitting together and three of them 607 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 14: die and two of them live because one got more 608 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 14: fentanyl than the other. Because it's really not regulated like 609 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 14: a drug through the FDA. It's just widely all over 610 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 14: the place. So that's why the street drugs are very 611 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 14: dangerous as you never know what you're getting. And one thing, 612 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 14: we've had cocaine cut with a dog dee wormer as well, 613 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 14: so it's incredibly dangerous. 614 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: Under Kendel crowns. I have investigated cases, for instance, an 615 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: infant at daycare. Little did the family know that the 616 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: daycare provider was storing fentanyl there also dealing like I 617 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: think the husband or the boyfriend was dealing, and they 618 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: moved the fentanyl from one place to the next inside 619 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: the daycare, and that movement released particles of fentanyl and 620 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: the infant in hailed it or touched it. It killed 621 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: the baby. So if you've got a plate of cocaine 622 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: lace with any finnel at all, there's your OD right there. 623 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: What started off, as I guess in good time is 624 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: in death. I mean you can die from even inhaling 625 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 1: particles or touching particles of finfandol. 626 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 14: Yes, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous and even its friend or 627 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 14: another derivative of it, car fentanyl, is even more dangerous. 628 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 14: It's come down to the fact that law enforcement and 629 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 14: paramedics will now carry in a lock zone, which is 630 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 14: a way to counteract the effects of the opioid in 631 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 14: their rigs or in their cars, to if they get 632 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 14: exposed to it and begin having symptoms, they can take 633 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 14: it and try and save themselves. So fentanyl is incredibly dangerous. 634 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 14: It's not a drug you really should mess with, you know. 635 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about these victims and how they ended 636 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: up frozen in plain view of their so called Jordan Willis. 637 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to think about their families. Dave 638 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: mac tell me about the victims' families. I know Jonathan 639 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: is here speaking on behalf of his brother Ricky, who 640 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: died that day, whose body sat out there freezing for 641 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: so long. What about the other victims? You know? 642 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 4: Nancy? 643 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 5: Mister Harrington's mom, Theresa, claimed she's been kept out of 644 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 5: the loop since the bodies were found. She said that 645 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 5: they wouldn't tell me anything. Now she is saying that 646 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 5: the statements made it easy to think that they had 647 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 5: already made up their minds and there wouldn't be any 648 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 5: further investigation. And she's really pushing back on this. She 649 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,240 Speaker 5: said the arrest didn't really clear up any speculation about 650 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 5: the dead, saying quote, I still don't know anything about 651 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 5: how my son died or his last moments. That's pretty 652 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 5: upsetting when you look at this over a year down 653 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 5: the road, that she doesn't know any more than you 654 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 5: and I might know. 655 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: Well, Kendall Crown's what was some one go through? If 656 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: they literally sat outside and an accidental fentyl stupor and 657 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: froze dead, that would be horrible, but they couldn't get 658 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 1: up and move. 659 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 14: So basically, fentyl makes your respiratory drive decrease and makes 660 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 14: your brain not think it needs enough oxygen, and so 661 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 14: you slowly kind of drift off into a coma that 662 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 14: eventually your brain, not getting enough oxygen, begins to die, 663 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 14: which causes your lungs to fill with fluid, and then 664 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 14: you pass away. It wouldn't necessarily immobilize you to the 665 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 14: point that you couldn't get up and get yourself out 666 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 14: of an unsafe situation unless you've gone into a coma. 667 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: So those individuals, how would they sit there and on 668 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: the porch and a lounge here and lay in the 669 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: backyard if they could move? I mean, I'm certainly not 670 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: a medical doctor, but certainly they would get up off 671 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: the porch or get off the ground and come inside. 672 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: According to the defendant, the door was unlocked. I submit 673 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: they couldn't. 674 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 14: Well, that's if they're so conscious, if they've gotten enough 675 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 14: fentyl in and it's caused them to go into basically 676 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 14: a coma, they can't move at that point, and then 677 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 14: they will either more likely than not die from the 678 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 14: fentanyl prior to dying from freezing to death, because there 679 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 14: are autopsy findings you'll find that'll show that they died 680 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 14: from hypoth thermia or freezing to death, which I haven't 681 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 14: seen any reports of that being found. 682 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: Alexis Terroschut. We keep referring to them as the Kansas 683 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: City Chiefs fans, and they were so much more than that. 684 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: Tell me about their families. 685 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 6: Well, Clayton mcginney was engaged. He was engaged to a 686 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 6: woman in April, Mahoney, and they were very happy together. 687 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 6: They were very you know, he worked in construction, small 688 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 6: business construction, and he was. 689 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: Going through a really rough time. 690 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 6: There weren't a lot of jobs, but they were still 691 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 6: together at the time, and she in fact started a 692 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 6: GoFundMe to sell everybody like he was so wonderful, and 693 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 6: he was somebody that was her whole life, and the 694 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 6: two of them had all these future plans together and 695 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 6: then it was abruptly cut short. And in fact, she 696 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 6: was the one that found that April was trying, trying 697 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 6: trying to reach him, Clayton, calling him over and over again. 698 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 6: She is one that showed up at Jordan Willis's house. 699 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 6: She broke through the basement window, she got out, she 700 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 6: found Clayton, and then the other two guys. 701 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: Did Overnight we learned two arrested in the horrific deaths 702 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 1: of three Kansas City Chiefs fans watching a football game 703 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 1: with their so called best friend now behind bars. Arrested 704 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: the so called best friend, Jordan Willis, and a guy 705 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: named Ivory J. Carson aka Blade. Okay, straight back out 706 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: to Jonathan Price, this is Ricky's brother. Tell me your thoughts. 707 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, summing everything up, you know, I just 708 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 3: you know, he was my brother. I cherished him a lot, 709 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 3: and his his three daughters, you know, and you know, 710 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 3: so a couple of them are a little bit young 711 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 3: to fully understand. It's a it's very difficult to think 712 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 3: about what they are going through and the answers that 713 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 3: they've been neglected for all this time, and uh, it's 714 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 3: it's just, you know, very makes us very distraught. 715 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: Jonathan Price, you want to set the record straight on 716 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: some certain issues. 717 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 3: What well, one of the things that we've been told 718 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 3: since the beginning which did not make sense is the 719 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 3: ruling out of foul play, and you know, the the 720 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 3: amount of information that we've gotten since then, you know, 721 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 3: since January now, and it's it's been very disappointing. 722 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad. 723 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 3: I understand that it takes time, and you know, I'm 724 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 3: glad that we are finally getting some answers, but there's 725 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 3: there's still a lot out there that we don't fully understand. 726 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 3: And just three or four months ago, Jordan's lawyer was 727 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 3: saying that he thinks that charges will come, but not 728 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 3: to Jordan, and that's from talking to some prosecutor. So 729 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 3: that part doesn't make sense to me either. And you know, 730 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 3: I'm just the more I get back into this, you know, 731 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 3: the more pain that's coming back, just like there was 732 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 3: back then, and the more questions that are arising from 733 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 3: all of this. 734 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: Two defendants left standing in the case of three Kansas 735 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: City chiefs dead in the backyard. The two were just 736 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: feet apart in court, but never even looked at each other, 737 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: much less uttered a word to each other. And that 738 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: hearing went for over three hours. That's a long long 739 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: time to avoid each other's gaze. What does that tell me? 740 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: They're gonna blame each other. A lot of finger pointing 741 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: is gonna go down in this courtroom when trial occurs. 742 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.