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Toyota is the 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.560 official vehicle of the New England Patriots. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:48.360 Toyota. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:55.280 Let's go places, all right, it's Poppo perfect. Paulparillo, Fred Kersh, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.960 Mike do So, Evan Lazar will be here until after 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:04.479 Session seven or period seven here at Page's training camp, 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.920 at which time we have to turn off our cameras. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.080 But up until then you're gonna hear and see what 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.160 we see. We can't wait. It is day one. The 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.520 crowd's here, the weather is perfect, the field looks pristine. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:18.919 And everything's perfect. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.760 Yeah, we got dogs to adopts. It's a big day. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:23.920 Here at Jillis Stadium. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.560 Well, Fred, I start looking back at last year when 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.520 we were sitting up here and Mike Rabel was here. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.720 We didn't know quite what to expect and how it 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.080 was all going to go. I think everybody was excited 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.200 to have Mike Rabel back. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:36.160 And you know, but. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:37.240 Are you losing your voice? 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:38.920 I have a little bit of Lisbibe, of course, the 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.280 night before the Success Show, I think so I was 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:41.760 screaming a. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.440 Lot last night. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.400 He's normally the hype man at training camp, so he 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.680 was practicing last night and he had ye pull himself 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.320 out of the lineup, scratched. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:52.280 I'll power through. 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.600 But you know, last year crazy go to the super Bowl. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.600 Now the question is can you establish establish yourself as 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.600 one of those teams every year that's going to be 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.000 a contender, whether you have some injuries you don't. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:05.520 You know, Drake made a huge part of that. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.239 Yep. And we've got some new additions this year, of 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.160 course that make it a little different from last year. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.240 A J. Brown being one of the notables. But you know, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.680 you're brought in a bunch of new players, new draft picks, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.200 so every year is different, you know. And the question 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.639 was asked of Mike Rabel just before we came on air, 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.960 about how do you, you know, make it so that 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.280 players know that you haven't won anything yet everything's different. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.160 And Rabel came back, and you know, he often comes 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.680 back and disagrees a little bit, and he says, you know, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:40.640 we do that every week. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.400 It's not just season of season, it's week to week. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.480 You know, whatever happened last week, this is a new week, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:54.160 new opponent, new challenge, new opportunity. So for him, it's 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.680 just the normal course that you know, we're gonna we're 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:57.799 gonna start fresh this year. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.400 Seems like Super Bowl is still a little bit on 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.440 Robert Splaine mine yesterday and we heard from him talking 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.239 about wishing he picked off that pass in front of 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:04.000 Chance n though. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.520 But they got to turn the page. But I think 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:07.160 it's exciting. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.400 I mean, it's just hard to imagine how they live 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.680 up to what they did last year. Expectations are higher, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.320 all the teams are going to be gunning for them 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.760 a little bit more. But it all starts today and 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.760 I think I'm most excited just to see Drake May your. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.880 Two in this system. Josh McDaniels, what do they got cooked? 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.200 For him, as you know last year coming in second 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.120 place in the MVP voting. I mean, I don't know, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:28.359 as you said have on the show this week, I 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.160 don't know if he's gonna compete seventy two percent. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.360 Of his pass yeah, this year an NFL record for 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:33.480 completion percentage. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.080 I don't know if Tammy team's apart down the field, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:37.640 I mean, depth of target, all those things. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:43.080 Yeah, I hey, don I enough about last year? 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:43.480 All right? 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.000 I mean, let's get excited about this year. And if 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.000 you aren't excited on day one and training camp, you're 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.920 in the wrong profession. I mean, this is what it's 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.520 all about. This is the start of a new season. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.640 And I think what's so cool to me over the 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.440 time that I've covered the team is thinking about all 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.160 the star power that this team now has that it 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.920 didn't really have just a couple of years ago. Even 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.520 last year in training camp, we didn't know that Drake 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.600 May was going to be a runner up for MVP. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.560 We didn't know how. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.960 Good Milton Williams was going to be in a bigger role. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.960 We didn't know, you know, some of these different things. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.440 And now you come to Patriots training camp and it's 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.680 Drake May, it's a J. Brown, It's Christian Gonzalez, it's 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.600 Milton Williams. You know, these big name players that were 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.239 all part of those you know, postseason accolades and things 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.800 like that. Last buyer, Kevin Bayern, another All Pro player. 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.800 Now it feels a little bit a little bit like 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.200 it did, you know, in the Brady years when you 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.160 came to camp and you had all these stars all 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.920 over the place. So that's what I'm most excited about, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.360 is the star power and the day oneness of all 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.680 of this. Is last year was last year. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.080 Right, We're moving on. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.400 But I I do understand what des is coming from, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:56.960 and I know why a lot of the questions are 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.840 about that, because I think that was such a big 0:04:58.880 --> 0:04:59.799 part of the success. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.280 It's not about like you. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.640 Surprised everybody last year, but I'm talking about how they 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.200 surprised everybody. And I think the big part of that 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.120 was the way that they built the team, the culture 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.839 from within, and just that locker room and how tight 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:12.680 the locker room was. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:14.320 Can you duplicate that? 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.160 Can you continue to you know, find ways to not 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.520 motivate because obviously, you know, I think Rabel used kind 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.080 of an offshoot a paraphrase of what Evan just said, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:25.920 If you're not motivated in this business, it's not gonna 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.440 last very long. So obviously these guys come in motivated, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.520 but can they develop that same kind of team first mentality, 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.400 that culture from within that I think was so important 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:37.480 to the success last year. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:38.360 Can they do it again? 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:38.840 Yeah? 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.440 Yeah, I just think you He brought up Robert spuline yesterday, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.840 and I just love Robert Spulain's attitude because he's he's 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.200 like us, right, like he's geeked up, but he's ready 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.400 to go for training camp and he's just so excited. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.320 You could tell just him standing up there and just 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.080 how excited he was to get things going and get 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.760 things rolling. And maybe I think, you know, going back 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.320 to what he said about the JSN path that he 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.359 felt like he could have picked off in the Super Bowl, 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:07.000 I think the motivation for them guys is everybody kind 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.359 of thought we were an easy schedule last year, and 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.160 we got breaks and we didn't have a ton of injuries, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.839 and Bo Knicks gets hurt and we played Jared sind 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.120 him in the AFC Championship Game. So I think that 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.400 this team that the guys that are holdover is still 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.040 have a lot to prove that that wasn't a fluke 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:22.839 last year. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:23.840 And it wasn't a fluke. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.560 And don't forget that when the schedule came out we 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.440 were the easy team on other people's schedule. Sure we 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.760 were thought to be the easy team on other people's schedules. Yeah, 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.080 Like I always say, you can't judge a schedule until 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.000 the season's over. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.560 Right, And the big thing you heard last year, remember 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.080 one of the first things Mike Vrabel said was we 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.440 got to find if we can take advantage. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.320 Of bad football. That was their starting line. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.200 And even now you're hearing that, still him talking about 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.919 being able to get to that point take advantage of 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.440 bad football. The other one is you're hearing the same 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.440 theme of earn a role, you know, finally make the 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.359 team and prepare to win the same talking points for 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.840 training camp this year. So you know, I think's got 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.880 a system in place, and you see him kind of 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.800 going back to the well and hopefully it works again. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.000 And I do think I'm sorry, go ahead, Fred Well. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.480 Taking advantage of bad football you can only do if 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.720 you're not playing bad football. And to me, the biggest 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.160 difference between last season and the two seasons prior, was 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:21.640 they to a degree stopped playing bad football, stop beating themselves. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.840 And in this league, if you can do that, you're 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.040 going to end up on the winning side of a 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:27.640 lot of games. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.920 And that's why I think when he went over just 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.240 before our show started, when he spoke today and he 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.760 started talking about the characteristics of the losses last year, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.640 you know, and he's breaking down very detailed things. You know, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.400 the Pittsburgh game, everybody remembers all the fumbles, you know, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.160 and he talks about the Buffalo game and it's like 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.120 you compare the quarterbacks. He's putting that on the defense. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.160 He didn't do anything to disrupt Josh Allen. You know, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.080 we got to do some stuff. And he talks about 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.240 something like the special teams. You know, Ray Davis had 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.280 a big kick return in that game, you know, giving 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.600 them some shorter fields and things like that. So they're 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.520 very specific details. He remembers. It's the good, the bad, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.800 and the stuff that gets you beat. He knows the 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.680 stuff that got them beat. And the four losses that 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.680 they had last year, he remembers it very quick. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.880 There was only four of them, so it was pretty 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.040 easy that was when he was going through that, that 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:13.120 was what I was thinking about. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.880 I was like, well, that was all of them. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.840 So yeah, I asked them why they won every one 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.600 of those fourteen games that right. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.520 Now, and that's what's you know, how's this team going 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.280 to evolve this year too? And I mean I think 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.160 they're going to have to evolve. They've got I mean, 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.000 it starts Week one in Seattle. I mean, that's such 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:32.960 a huge test. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:33.319 For Drake May. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.080 I mean, we know what the storylines are going to be, 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.240 we know what the super Bowl look like. They've already 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.480 started challenging Drake May this summer. You know, I love 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.080 We talked about the stuff in mini camp that I 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.840 love where he's going to the line with no play call, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.920 he's got to read the defense, figure out what to 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.520 get them into. He's going to get great opportunities against 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.720 the Colts defense. He's going to get great opportunities against 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.480 the Eagles defense two days. So I think those are 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.920 all things that, you know, hopefully helped Drake continue to ascend. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.920 And I mean he's the wild card. We talk about 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.720 a harder schedule and maybe the will be more injuries 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:01.040 this year. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.520 As Paul said, last year. If he plays great, you 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.160 can off set just about it. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.480 Well. One of the things it's becoming a tradition here 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.079 at the opening day of training camp is pet adoption, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.559 and right now down on the field, I believe mister 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.400 and missus Kraft are down there with the dogs. If 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.120 we can go to that, there's Robert kraft Ert and 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.480 I think there's about twenty one dogs or so up 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.680 for adoption that they brought to the field, just like 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.120 they did last year. Last year was such a success 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.760 that they did it again and all the dogs last 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.040 year were adopted, and I would imagine that the same 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.240 thing's going to happen this year. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.920 It's like sixty dogs this year. It's crazy. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:40.040 I want sixty. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.440 I want to show the person behind mister Kraft with 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.960 doctor Dana. I think they're Andy Borgalis, who has like 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.400 five dogs and his wife. He's going to get a 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.000 fan I think adopted one last year without telling him 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.079 and I'm just worried for him his wife. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.000 I'm worried for. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.679 Him that that's going to happen again. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.200 So ye, well, that dog we just saw too great 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.280 event beans. There's some great pops down there. We shot 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.320 a video with Dante Scarnecki this week to help promote 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:06.720 the event. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.839 But some great pops, a lot of dogs gonna find 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:09.280 rooms today. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.880 I wish I could take them all. I you know, 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.199 I just it's it's so great. So if that's a 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.800 Patriots Potriots uh program that they have going now, it's 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.760 a it's a big thing. You can go on Patriots 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.280 dot com and look it up and see all the 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.319 stuff that they're doing. Uh. So they'll be doing things 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.200 throughout the season. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:28.000 Uh. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.360 And you know you can get involved and just check 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.199 out online when the next event is and and. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.280 Will's got a new friend. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.480 There you go, yeah, there you go. 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.880 He's got that dog with them. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.240 He's got a little beagle who he will die for 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:42.760 that dog. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.400 Eric Adler, our photographer. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.040 Now, it's a fun way to start. It was funny 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.640 when we're when we were shooting the video docs. Just 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.320 bring a smile to everybody's face, you know. And you 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.440 have these most of the construction guys, you know, construction 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.360 guys driving by, and you know, and they're like a 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.560 stern face on and oh the little pops. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.360 You know, everybody loves it. So it's developing into a 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:02.520 fun little tradition here. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.640 Yep, so that's going on down there. Players are you know, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.880 slowly getting down on the field. Practice officially starts at 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:14.280 what ten fifteen, Yes, yeah, so we can't show period one, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.600 but once period two starts, our cameras will be on 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.920 the field and you know, we'll yeah, so we'll kind 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.280 of play by play what you're seeing and what we're seeing. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.439 So we don't gave Acus isn't here, Mike Rabill, you know, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:26.439 lay that out yesterday. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:27.560 Contract issue. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.640 We don't know exactly what he felt confident that they 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.400 were going to figure it out though, so that, you know, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.400 made me feel pretty good. But I think what we're 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.439 all looking for today Christian Gonzalez, is he participating? 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:36.920 What's he doing? 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:37.760 He's a correction. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.680 Practice starts at ten thirty, ten thirty. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:44.800 Sorry, Yeah. On the Acus situation, I think he's doing 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:51.560 his best to only say positive things, yep, but I 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.200 still sense that he's annoyed at the whole situation. Someone 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.880 asked us if he's local, and he's and he said, no, 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.280 you know, he's not in New England. So I still 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:06.000 get that sense that obviously this isn't an ideal situation 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:07.480 for your second round draft pick. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.880 Yeah, I mean, you know, I would just say too, 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.440 if Kaye Backus hasn't gotten here and gotten set up, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.679 I would prefer him to be somewhere else where he's 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.959 training and staying in shape and has a system in place, 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.360 rather than he can't come to the facility. So if 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.000 he's around here trying to find a new place story, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.920 you know, Like, so I don't that's not that big 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.160 of a deal to me, But I. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:24.800 Hear what you're saying. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.640 Fred, It's clearly it's a contract negotiation. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.000 I mean, Greg Bdard asked him straight up, like, what's 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.440 the deal? These are slotted now right dead on. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:33.960 I think it's a huge deal. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.280 So I really concerned that the Burt Breer report might 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.720 have some validity to it, that they're sort of looking 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.760 at this as maybe kind of a red shirt year 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:43.079 for him. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.240 But what does that look like? Does that mean he 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:46.280 doesn't sign a contract? 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.280 No, Like he's just not going to be a big 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:49.200 part of the equation. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.679 Ye, I think eventually, Like you know, that was the 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.960 last one of the last things Mike said yesterday was 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.360 I'm positive on that. Now you could interpret that two 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.440 different ways, Like his outlook is I'm you know, he's 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.160 taken a positive outlook or I guarantee he's going to sign. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.200 I'm positive he's going to sign. That's how which is 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:08.840 how I took. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.360 You know, but I do you know, UH leave some 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.679 leeway there sometimes words different. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:15.520 Yeah. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.880 Well, I think it's a good conversation because we all 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.480 know they need that position desperately. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.400 We're gonna watch Elijah ponder out here. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:22.800 He's going to get a ton of reps next to 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.400 Draymond Jones, well, Harold Landry gets back from pup. But 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.640 I just see such opportunity and if there's any chance 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:30.520 that gave Acus can make it out here on the 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:31.800 field for training camp. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.439 I think they'll find a way. I think they'll find 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:33.679 a way. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.720 I just feel like if it was imminent, he'd be here. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:36.839 Yeah, I do too. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.240 My concerns with the gave Acus are more like big picture, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.160 long term me too, than they are about him being 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.200 here like today of training camp. You know, I'm worried, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.240 you know, they he said yesterday Rabel did that they're 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.840 going to take him at his word right now that 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.160 he's healthy. Haven't seen him, but we haven't seen him, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.079 so we don't know one hundred percent if he's healthy 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.920 or not, and something tells me that. You know, usually 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.000 it's like guaranteed money, your payment schedule, or something along 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.520 the lines of that. When it comes to these negotiations 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.480 like does this is this an injury that they're worried 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.800 about for like his longevity as an NFL player? 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.439 Well, I leaves accurately again, and I'm reading the tea 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.320 leaves too and what I'm about to say. But I 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:22.080 just think that there was an overall annoyance at you know, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.000 not full disclosure into health. And I think when it 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:30.880 comes to the contract negotiations, my sense and I don't 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.840 know this, but it's less about money than it is contingencies. 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.000 You know. Okay, so now there's some stuff that we 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.760 didn't know about you. Well, we're gonna look for something 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.280 to write into this contract that's going to protect. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:50.560 Us because the money is slotted, but the total value 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.920 is slotted, correct, you know, how much they guarantee you. 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.120 That's what I think the contingencies come that. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:02.480 Fresh talking considering the situation, the player is in no 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.000 position right now to ask for more than the usual 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:10.400 amount of guarantees. If anything, he should be making concessions 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.400 and saying yeah, sorry about that, you know. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.360 I well, if we think that that's what. 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.520 Happened exactly, Yeah, if we think that's what happened, and 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.720 I don't you think that there's a good chance that 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.520 that is that probably sounds we're right. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.920 Yeah, but you know the draft, he was drafted fifty fifth, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.440 the fifty fourth pick as signed, the fifty sixth pick 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.440 as signed, right, and so like they know exactly what 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.200 am I getting number twelve? 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.640 Yeah, ty, So. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.440 If they say, like, this is what you know, his 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.400 agent is probably saying fifty four and fifty six got this, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.720 so we want that. And the Patriots are clearly thinking, well, 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.960 we're not at a position to guarantee you that because 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.680 we don't know what your health is and we don't 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.720 know what's going on with you right now. And I 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.560 think that's what we're haggling over, is guaranteed money in 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.240 the contract. I don't know how you would like write 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.040 like an injury waiver into a contract. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.320 I don't either, But I just think that there's a 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.600 little bit of I don't want to say mistrust at 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.760 this point, but I think there's some ruffled feathers on 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:14.920 the side of the Patriots. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:15.240 Yeah. 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.880 I just don't know who they're mistrusting. Yeah, I don't 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:19.520 have the information. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.760 Yeah, I said, I don't know if it's mistrust as 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.160 much as it is just ruffle feathers and uh so, Yeah, 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.600 I hope that they just get get this ironed out 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.360 because I was really impressed with the kid when they 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.680 you know, drafted him. His whole personality and his passion 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.240 and everything. So let's get him out here. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:38.640 That's the press College tape. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.480 I mean, that's what's annoying for me is just you 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.600 knew they needed this position, Evan I, Paul. We talked 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.160 all spring about this edge class, how bad they needed 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.320 an edge Which one are they going to take? Everybody 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.480 loved Gay Bacchus. He looked like he fit the mold. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.520 The Patriots told you that much, you know, in the 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.840 in the episode of Forced in Foxborough. And that's why 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.040 it's it's really hard to swallow. You knew this player 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.760 had an opportunity to come in and immediately be part 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:02.440 of this rotation. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.760 And it's even more glaring now with Harold Landry on pup. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.000 So you know, just it goes back to the needs 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.639 that we've been talking about for the last year and 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.880 that's really the one spot where you feel like they're 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.200 missing an impact player of the. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.119 Key positions on a football roster that you want to 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:16.639 have stars at. 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.359 So let's hope for the best there. The other story 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.600 we'll be keeping our eye on is Christian Gonzalez, and 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.919 we know that he's up for an extension. And I 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.840 think that's a complicated situation because he is in the 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.880 same situation as the other cornerback in the league, Witherspoon, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.440 exact same situation with the same agent. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.240 And the same agent as gay Acus too. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.080 Yeah, so I think this, I think this really gets complicated. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.879 Who goes first, Witherspoon or Gonzales. Who's actually better? Who's 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.439 better in the eyes of their agent? You know, is 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.760 the agent gonna favor one over the other, or is 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.880 he gonna be looking for the same for both so 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.720 that his clients don't get bent out of shape. Oh 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.439 you got more for him than you got for me. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.639 So it's complicated for the agent. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.680 It's complicated for the players, I think, and I think 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.640 it's complicated for both teams that are trying to sign 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:14.000 these guys to extensions. You know what, I hope the 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:18.719 agent isn't doing is telling these players that you know, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.040 all the teams are being cheap or whatever, you know, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.640 or you know, hold out, don't don't participate. I hope though, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.440 agent isn't giving them that advice. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.160 Yeah, well we'll see. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.800 I mean, it's it'll be a test of the old 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.080 new hold in that we've become very familiar with in 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.520 recent years. Yesterday Vrabel said he expects he's going to 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.960 be here, that he's going to participate. We'll see what 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.560 those conversations were like earlier today and what goes on 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:42.320 on here on the field. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.560 Yeah, I would expect him to participate the same way 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.440 he did in the spring. He'll do position drills, he'll 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.159 do walkthroughs, team things. As soon as they get to 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.359 actual live team eleven on eleven's he won't be out there, 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:54.920 which is exactly what he did in the spring. So 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.720 if you want to call that a hold in, then 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.600 I guess you can. I don't think that that's the 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.919 full hold in. The hold in is like I'm not 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.480 doing anything, you know, I'm not even gonna be in uniform. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.400 This is like a mini hold in. But I don't 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.359 think you know. We mentioned the agent Fred with Witherspoon 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.520 I don't think it's nothing. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.879 That it's also gay Bachus's agent. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.239 So right now the Patriots are in a stalemate with 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.399 Christian Gonzalez and gay Bacchus, and it's the same agent 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.760 that's representing both guys, and that I just think is 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.320 a very complicated situation, you know, I really do. And 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:32.679 then the Witherspoon thing also adds in another complication. You know, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.480 the reporting is is that they're closer in Seattle with 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.159 Witherspoon right now than the Patriots are with Gonzales. So 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.760 maybe Gonzales wants Witherspoon to go first, you know, who knows. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.640 But I've said this before. Witherspoon signs for thirty two, 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.840 Gonzales signs for thirty two point one. Like, it's not 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:54.239 like it's gonna be like a world's different if. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.840 Gonzales doesn't want that, What if Gonzales wants substantially more 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.000 than whatever Witherspoon signs. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.040 I mean, I don't know how you could. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.880 Like, they're they're they're I think they're basically equal players, 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:07.399 So I know, but he might not. 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.119 But what if he But would that put him at 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.560 odds with his own agent? No, because his own agent 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.000 doesn't want to favor one guy over the other because 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.720 that's gonna upset Witherspoon. 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:22.520 Yeah, but whatever Witherspoon signs for is not Gonzales's problem. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.280 It's not Gonzalez's problem, but it's his agent's problem. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.000 Yeah, so what so I represent. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.680 You and Deuce, and I signed Deuce for a couple 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.960 million more than you, and you feel you're as good, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:36.760 if not better, aren't you a little upset? 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:38.679 But what does that have to do with the agent? 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:40.760 That's Gonzales that feels like that. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.000 No, but now but he's mad at his agent? 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.000 Now why he didn't make him sign for less? 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.200 I'm telling them the guy that made less, the guy 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.919 that signed for less, could be upset with the agent. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:54.920 Well, he could be, but then he shouldn't sign the deal, 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:56.560 is my point. 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.199 So that's that. My point is, you know, like. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.000 With a Spoon, shouldn't sign for thirty two if he 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.360 thinks he's worth a lot more than that. 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.479 Well, listen, it all comes down to what the agent 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.440 is telling his clients right now, you know what what 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:14.960 he's setting expectators. Whether you're a realtor selling a house 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.119 for a client or a sports agent, you set expectations 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.159 for your client. You tell him this is what I 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.119 think we're going to end up with. So I'm sure 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.480 that he's telling both clients what he's asking for, and 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:28.920 you know. 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:30.440 And then it's up to the client to say, well, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.560 that's not acceptable to me. That's my point. I'm not 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.639 angry at the agent for negotiating, but I'm not going 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.920 to sign unless i think I'm getting what I'm working. 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.520 But but now you see how complicated it is, because 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:43.080 let's just say that's the case. 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.760 The guy representing both guys complicated. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.240 But I'm not even saying that, Like, let's just say 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.760 Gonzo is telling his agent, I want X amount more. Okay, 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.040 that makes it complicated. 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.760 For me, But it's not necessarily an X amount more 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:59.040 than with a Spoon. 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.280 It's if he gets just the thirty two, I. 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:03.840 Think I'm a lot more. I'm worth a lot more 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.560 than that. If Witherspoon gets thirty seven, he might not say, well, 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.639 I'm worth a lot more than Witherspoon, like it's the number, 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.719 Like it's I don't necessarily he's going to be whoever 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.520 signed second is going to be the highest paid guy. 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.040 You haven't mapped that out. I think exactly the way 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:18.600 it will work. 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.920 The question is how much does the second guy want 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.240 more than the first guy signs for it. You don't 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.480 know until you see what the number is. I've heard 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:32.240 some different stories again back to Albert Breer, that they're 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.400 not just looking to squeak over the whatever the Trent 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.160 McDuffie or the Patrick's or ten threshold. 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.520 They're looking to blow it out of the water. 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.600 If that happens, then I don't think he necessarily needs 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.440 significantly more than Witherspoon gets. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.359 If Witherspoon goes way above, I just don't know how. 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.639 I don't know why the Patriots or the Seahawks would 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.240 would do that. You know, McDuffie just signed for thirty 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.679 one million a year. Is a draft class, right, but 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.680 he's a twenty twenty two class. This is the twenty 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:02.360 twenty three class. They're all just as good as each other. So, 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.120 but it happens, But that's just inflation. Like the next 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:06.840 guy is just gonna sign for a little bit more 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.680 than the previous guy did. So if I'm the Patriots, 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.479 I'm saying, well, Trent McDuffie just got thirty one from 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.159 the Rams. Yes, like the order of business is that 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.160 you're gonna get a little bit more than that because 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.480 it's a little bit further along, but not by much. 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.399 You just signed it a couple of weeks ago, so 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.360 I agree with you. But I'm just saying but I'm 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.080 just saying it from the team perspective. You know, Trent 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.200 McDuffie got thirty one, you're getting thirty two. Like if 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:33.800 you're talking about getting thirty. 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:37.679 Eight, that's how happen. That's what I'm saying. That's what 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:38.320 That's how. 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:42.040 Express blew out the bottle of water, right, But like 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.000 he jumped to fifty, it was like ten more. 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:45.560 And but these things happen. 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.000 There's another way to approach it, both the player or 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.439 the team is Okay, you're gonna get thirty two, but 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.159 you're gonna get more guaranteed. You know, you can do 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.080 it that way too and make the player happy. 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.520 So oh, but either way, I'm blowing it out of 0:23:58.520 --> 0:23:58.880 the water. 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.919 If I'm getting way more guaranteed than someone else, that's fine. 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.600 Yeah, yeah, but that's money. 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.040 I mean, to your point, Paul, if Christian Gonzalez wants 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:07.760 to blow it out of the water, then we might 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:09.120 be looking at not having Christians. 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.879 And that's why I don't think it's all. Everything you 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:13.640 haven't said is right. 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.320 I'm and we've talked about this for six weeks now 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.000 on the show. Is that you know, we've been going 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.520 back and forth. Witherspoon's probably going to sign first. Gonzo 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.800 is probably going to get a little bit more than Witherspoon, and. 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:24.680 That's the way it goes. 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.400 But that's like to your point, Mike, when you get 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:31.040 a stalemate and a guy demanding a trade or a 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.000 hold up, like that's how they happen. A guy just says, 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:35.920 you know what, I know. That makes all the sense 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.040 in the world. I think I'm worth more than that. 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.359 Gonzales has done nothing to indicate that. He keeps saying 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.399 how much he likes it here, how much he wants 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:47.680 to stay here. He's saying all those things, but they 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.399 haven't signed him yet. So until he signs, I'm going 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:51.359 to be concerned about it. 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.679 Who do you think is better, Whetherspoon or Gonzales. 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:55.840 I think they're totally different players, which I think makes 0:24:55.920 --> 0:25:00.400 it difficult. You know, Witherspoon to me, is much more 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.879 of an on ball production type of player and not 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.000 less of like a shadow corner that's just gonna take 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.199 this guy out of the assignment. So you know, he 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.840 plays a lot of the nickel, a lot on third down, 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.760 he puts his the quarterback. He's just around the ball 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:14.600 a whole lot more. 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:15.480 This is the quarterback. 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:17.199 I didn't know, Yeah you might. 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.320 Yeah, So you know, Gonzalez is a true boundary corner. 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.760 So who do you think is more talented cornerback? 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.879 I mean, I I just think the way Gonzalez affects 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:31.840 the defense. I mean, I think Devin Witherspoon could play 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.400 in any defense. He's an outstanding player. But when you're 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:35.720 looking for specific. 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:39.159 Needs, I think that it's a flavoring. It depends on 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.760 what your defensive scheme is and what you you know, 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.400 prioritize in corners. If you play a lot of man 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.000 and you want somebody that's going to go out there 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:47.920 and lock his man down, and then it's Gonzales. If 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.880 you play a defense more like Seattle and are built 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.359 more that way, then you're gonna want a playmaker like Witherspoon. 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.240 And that's exactly how it was coming out of the draft. 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.040 That's exactly how it is now. Like Witherspoon is a 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.159 guy that is an on the ball a lot, and 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.120 it's kind of like a ball howking player. 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.000 From the corner position. But you know, sounds like a 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:06.679 safety to me. 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.600 He can cover. No, I'm not saying he's not a safety. 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:13.920 He can he can do all those things. 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.160 Now, if you're asking just pure athleticism, Gonzales, I think 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:18.920 is a fluid more fluid athlete. 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.640 Like the ability to shut down somebody in the NFL. 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.960 Isn't that higher value than being around the ball a lot? 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.240 I mean it depends, But who was the more valuable 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:30.000 the Super Bowl? 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:31.720 Are playing like? I don't know. 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:33.880 They both had great games in the Super Bowl? Who 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:34.760 was the more valuable? 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.480 What's valued more in the NFL? The shutdown corner or 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:39.440 a versatile corner. 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.520 See, but you're making it sound like the guy who's 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.000 the versatile corner can't cover. 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:44.160 I didn't say that. 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:46.679 But he's a shutdown corner. He's just maybe not as 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.000 good as shutdown corner as Gonzales, That's what I'm saying. 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:55.960 So what's value as a corner? The true elite shutdown 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:57.399 corner is the most valued. 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.200 I just think I don't think it depends on your scheme. 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:02.879 Yeah, it depends on who you know. 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.200 If you can have that shut down corner, you change. 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.960 Witherspoon is more valuable to Seattle than Gonzalez would be. 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.679 Gonzales might be more valuable to the Patriots, like I 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:13.879 think even at all. 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:14.560 Yeah, you're not. 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.920 Trying to get in like bogged down by the semantics 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.320 of it. It just they're very to me, they're very, 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.800 very different players, And it depends on what kind of 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.440 defense you want to run. If you want to run 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:27.120 eighty percent zone like Seattle does, then Witherspoon's your guy, 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.399 you know, like if that's if that's the type of defense. 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.800 I look at it a lot like the pure elite 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:37.320 edge rusher versus you know, the more versatile defensive linemen. 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.560 You know, both have value, you don't have value, But 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.760 someone that gets the most money is the one that 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:43.399 that's different. 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:45.960 Because I agree with you, I think they both have 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:47.760 value in the edge because. 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:48.399 They're they're rarer. 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:52.000 Yeah, right, I don't think that there's any I don't 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.040 think there are a lot of Witherspoons. He's a rare commodity. 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.400 The guys that play the way he does is not 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.679 not every cornerback in the league can do that. There 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.560 are not a lot of guys that can Coverla Gonzales. 0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.560 They're both rare commodities. But the guy you would describing 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.000 on the defensive line, to me, it's kind of a 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.719 dime a dozen. The edge rusher who impacts games like 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.680 just he's a flat out elites pass rusher. There aren't 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:16.480 a lot of those guys. Those are planet players. Yeah, 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.920 Miles Garrett, there ain't a lot of those guys around. 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.840 Right, They're both great players. 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.720 I would just say for me, I think you got 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.159 to play man defense and having that ability to have 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.160 that player if that that's the way I would lean. 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:28.840 And I totally not saying that's the right way. 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:30.880 There are plenty of NFL coaches that would say I'd 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.159 much rather have a guy like Witherspoon in my defense, 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.840 especially with Mike McDonald and the smarts that he has 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:36.320 with his game. 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.440 Yeah, I believe when when you have a player in 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.120 any position that is just so great in a lade 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.720 at that position, you change things up to accommodate having 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.080 that player because he's so good. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:48.680 There's head coach with uh? 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:49.960 Is that BB? 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:50.560 Yeah? 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:54.320 You guys have to help me out here. 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.200 That's BBE and I gotta tell you, and I thought 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:05.200 about it, very very nice looking, lady babe German shepherd mix. 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.040 You thought about what a little bit. 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:15.520 O Jesus. Okay, all right, didn't take us long to 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:16.040 start working. 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.360 Okay, I cuete Poppy a little smelly, but yeah, was 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:21.280 he smelling? Smelling? 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:22.240 Smell like outdoors. 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:26.120 Puppies an't supposed to smell bad. Yeah, it's like they 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:27.480 haven't developed the smell yet. 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:29.880 Oh, God forbid, the dog smelled like a dog. 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:32.240 Rather you just had the dog at them. 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:33.840 I don't need the dog smell to him. 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.360 Okay. Yeah. Practice starts at ten thirty, so we're still 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:38.520 waiting for that to get going. 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.480 Nice new Guardian caps. I got to point that out. 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.440 That's my thing, you know, just that they're not quite 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.840 as bulky and stilly. I like them better. I can see. 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.520 Dogs went to the went to the new one, though. 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.320 A little bit more streamlined than in the past. 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:53.160 Streamline, you know, hopefully still protecting everybody's heads from concussions. 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:54.920 But small change here at camp. 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:58.280 Okay, the field itself, the grass. I don't know if 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.440 they learned it from taking care of the World Cup field, 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:02.840 but it is pristine. 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:03.960 It does look perfect. 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:08.440 Yeah, yeah, it does. It really is. I know the 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.040 NFLPA is pushing teams to go to grass. How do 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:13.080 you guys feel about that? 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.800 Well, we'll just you know whatever wherever we got to 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.200 play on more ready to go. 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.680 I liked I liked that answer, Like I'm sorry, like. 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.920 Just just stop the whining, just go play football and 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.440 the like, I get it. I think that there's probably 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.800 evidence in science that says the grass is safer than 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.920 than a lot of this turf is. But uh, I 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.440 mean they're going to play in some different surfaces this year. 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.440 They they actually did the Athletic did their rankings of 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.440 like who has the worst surfaces on their schedule, and 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.959 the Patriots were near the bottom of it. Now they 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.480 do have to play at MetLife, so maybe that's part 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.720 of that and you know, influence there. But you know, 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.560 I kind of think that it's a little a lot 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:56.320 to do about nothing. 0:30:56.360 --> 0:31:00.760 I too. I mean, listen, thirty years ago, astro turf 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:01.440 was terrible. 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:02.880 It was almost like cement. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.440 Yeah, it was terrible. But nowadays it's it's, you know. 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.000 There's the field is a lot better. 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.840 Yeah, we're like ten generations away from that. It's it's 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:13.800 a lot better. So I don't know, I don't know 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:17.160 if there's more injuries on turf than grass, but I 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.640 can tell you you know, come December, you know, those 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.760 grass fields in the Northeast aren't really that good to 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:24.800 play on either, right. 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.600 And Plus if you watched the World Cup, it looked 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.880 like there were quite quite frequently a lot of injuries 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:29.280 that happen. 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:34.880 Oh yeah, judging judging from judging from soccer. 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.360 Boy injuries and looks gruesome. 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:39.680 Absolutely Luckily, recovery time. 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.520 Seems a little quicker and it's like they're. 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:42.280 Playing in Bay Route. 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:46.400 Yeah, there's no doubt that the data would suggest that 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.240 there's a little bit more injuries on turf than grass, 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:50.960 but I think it does. You know, Credie were talking 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.400 about the generations of turf. It depends on how much 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.720 you invest in the turf, right, like you know. And 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.600 I think there's other places where the Super Bowl in 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:01.480 Arizona I ride a couple of years ago, or that 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:04.760 was a grass field and there's you know, dead patches 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.840 all over the place and guys were sliding around on 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:08.959 the paint and stuff like that. And so I think 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.520 there's pros and const to both, but clearly the players 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.960 think the grass is better and they practice a lot 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.040 of these teams practice on grass, but then they don't 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.600 play on grass. And I think that's where the the 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.880 argument is, is like, well, we prefer grass because we 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.760 practice on it every single day, but then when we 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.240 get into the stadium, it's turf because that's what's better 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:26.880 for the stadium. 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.880 That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, So 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.000 we kind of focused on a lot of the not controversies, 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.280 but you know, the storylines, the storylines, what are the 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.600 some of the uh, you know, real positive stuff that 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.680 you think are storylines that to start camp. 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:45.360 Well, I just I'd kick it off with what Evan 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.400 said about the talent that they've added, and you know, 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.680 I think they did a great job this offseason continuing 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.160 to build around Drake May. They drafted another first round 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.120 pickle on the offensive line. We'll see where he ends 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.400 up and how they work him in camp. But with 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.080 aj Brown Romeo Dobs coming in, you know, this is 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.000 what we always talk about. You get a young quarterback 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.320 on a rookie deal, this is the time to make 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.560 those moves and go get them receivers that can help him. 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.240 So, you know, we were all Enamorred with AJ Brown 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:08.840 when we saw him. 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.120 Here comes Drake, you know all about him this season, 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.080 but you know Romeo Dobs too. 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:14.920 How does he kind of fit in? What is his role? 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.480 How does he compliment A J. Brown? That's you know 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:18.640 what I'm most interested to see. 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.200 And then go right down the line with with the 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.080 guys that coming back. I know a lot of eyes 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.040 are going to be on Kyle Williams this year. He's 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:24.760 got some speed. 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.520 I think that is one element we talked about ed 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:28.640 that that they need in this receiver room. Is that 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:29.640 explosive ability. 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.200 We certainly saw it against Tampa Bay with that touchdown 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.600 he had. So the receiver room and Drake's chemistry with them, 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.240 how they do against this defense, especially Gonzales, you know 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:39.560 he isn't doing like the team stuff. 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.760 Yeah, here we go, Drake may number ten. 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.560 Thank goodness, Drake is here coming up that he's. 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:45.960 Going to make the team. 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.320 So do you think he looks bigger than last year? 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:50.640 Not really, I don't know. 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:54.240 I think he's always been a pretty well built guy. 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:55.480 Yeah, I mean he's you know. 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.400 I still think he was a kid when he got here. 0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.320 And every year you're going to see him kind of 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:01.880 fill out a little bit. He's on the NFL conditioning 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:02.680 and strength. 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:07.320 Program, so that helps. But yeah, look good year three. 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:11.640 Yeah, I like what they've been saying about him playing 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.160 a little bit faster and playing with a little bit 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:14.880 more urgency. 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:16.879 I think was the word that Pray will use. 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:18.799 I had looked this up a couple of weeks ago, 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.800 and yes, last year they were twenty eighth in the 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:25.480 league in pace. Just like how quickly time wise they 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.239 moved offensively, and I think that that's something that you 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.400 can do to kind of keep defenses. 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:32.560 A little bit more off balance. 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.399 And not allowed them to just kind of sit there 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.640 and look at what you're doing and see your grouping 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.279 and your formation. So I think that that seems to 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:43.080 be the year two thing in this system. But Josh McDaniels, 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.279 the biggest emphasis seems to be with them going a 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.400 little bit faster offensively and getting out of the huddle 0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.160 quicker and get in the play in faster, and I 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.319 think that would help with some of the things that 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:54.120 they saw. 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.080 And a lot of that's on Drake. 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.520 He need, you know, if your quarterback has all the answers, 0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:02.080 if he, you know, gets it, you can go faster. 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.520 You know, that allows you to go faster. 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.719 Yeah, I mean just hearing from the coaches during OTAs 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.279 and just saying how last year he was really on 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.440 you know, maybe not high school level Josh offense, but 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.799 it's a first year not trying to throw the whole 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.160 kitchen sink at him out of the gate. 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:19.840 His development this year, though, and as he becomes a 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.120 master of this system. 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.600 I think that is what could offset any kind of 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:25.240 challenges that they that they might face. 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:26.919 We know he has all the physical. 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.680 Talent in the world, just can his mind reach that 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:31.600 level too, And then you're really I mean, you're gonna 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.000 have to complete player if that happens. 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.040 And you know, we talked in the past about the 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.480 new training center that the Patriots opened, the new Balance 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:43.880 Athletics Center within that and hopefully later on in August 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:45.960 we'll be able to actually show it to you. They 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.440 have this virtual room, which is this huge room with turf, 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:55.279 big huge led boards where you can bring Drake out 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.840 and you can simulate what he's seeing as a defense 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.640 and he can react to it real time. And uh, 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.879 you know, I'm sure all the teams have that now, 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:05.840 or at least most of the teams have it, but 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.239 that it's gonna be I'm sure he's gonna spend a 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.600 lot of time in that room going over all the 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.239 various defenses that he's going to see this year. And 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.040 the beautiful thing about it is on the other side 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.719 of the room are all the position meeting rooms. So 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.120 you have all these doors leading into this, so you know, 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.560 the linebackers will be meeting in their room. Then they 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.640 open the door and they walk out onto this virtual 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.880 field and put put into practice what they just learned 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:34.880 in the classroom. So it's it's really cool. It's really 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:38.480 well thought out. I can't I can't wait to, you know, 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.680 show fans what that all looks like. 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:41.879 No, it sounds really cool. 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:43.799 I want to I want to get a turn. 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:45.160 Can I get in there? 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:47.839 You want to get a turn in the virtual room? 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:48.080 Yeah? 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.640 Yeah, yeah, I've been asking for that for four years. 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.759 And can I go in there and with Drake and like, 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.120 you know, be like all right, all right against the Seattle. 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.400 It's the same as Maddie, right, Like it's not actually 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.799 getting hit, Like I just got to press the right 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:04.840 button on the controller. 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:05.680 That's what you think. 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.080 Yeah, Well, maybe we can arrange that too. 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.440 Yeah, so content as much as the attention's going to 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.960 the stars too. And I thought, you know, Evan did 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:15.640 a great job setting up that there's you know, real 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:16.440 talent on the field. 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:16.560 Now. 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.600 I think for me, maybe the interesting thing, most interesting 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:19.920 thing in. 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.160 This campus just the depth battles and where are you know, 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.160 guys the third running back, you know, the third linebacker, 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:27.320 who's going to be filling in for Gonzales. 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.680 I mean, we saw Kendall Vildor this spring playing a 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.520 lot outside and there's a J. Brown. He's got a 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:33.000 pup with him. 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:34.879 Nice, he's got the dog in them. 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:36.120 But I think you go across. 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.800 This roster, there's a lot of really interesting depth battles. 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.000 You might know who the top line guys are, but 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:42.839 there are opportunities for a lot of these young guys 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:44.560 and maybe for a name that we're not really talking 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.359 about to emerge here as we get going in camp. 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.680 Yeah, I think we're back into that world now where 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:53.280 we're talking about the third safety and the third running 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.759 back and who's going to be the backup in the 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:59.360 interior of the offensive line, and you know, edge dresser 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:03.319 depth not necessarily do they have enough frontline talent, but 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:05.840 you know, do they have enough guys behind those guys 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.160 to fill in? That brings me back to the gold, 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.000 good old days where it's like I don't know if 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.600 their fourth corner is gonna cut it, you know that 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.760 sort of thing. And I think that they are pretty 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.640 much besides maybe you know Eddrescher, which we keep harping on, 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.240 I think they're pretty much there where the frontline talent 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.040 is kind of taken care of and now we're just 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.160 talking about do they have enough depth to get through seasons. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:29.680 It's kind of fun though, Like I like it, like 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.600 the premie that's that's our wheel house looking out there, 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:33.600 being like, oh god. 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.560 There's just nobody's no, there's no star talent on this team. 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.840 It's you know, you could be surprised by somebody. 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.560 Maybe there's a guy like Michael you like is the 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:42.440 most recent example. 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.960 Maybe, but six round pick becomes a starter? Does that 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:46.080 happen in another position? 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.000 You know, does a linebacker emerge that you weren't expecting 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.319 and maybe they're not just a depth guy. Maybe this 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.439 is a player that emergenc that has you know, real 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:54.240 starter potential. 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.759 I know that's rare. UH been doing this long enough 0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:58.400 to know that you know, you're you're hoping for that 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.600 to happen. But I think the situation. 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.200 Is available across this roster that there's going to be 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:05.520 some guys that can make this team that we're not, 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.239 and you. 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:12.120 Know, you can't, you know, not emphasize the fact that 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:16.439 the coaching staff is in a situation now where they've 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.440 got everybody most you know, everybody back from last year, 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:23.240 a lot of continuity there, and that makes it possible 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.440 for these young guys to emerge if they have a 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:30.400 good coaching environment. You know, part of the challenge of 0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.960 any coaching staff is understanding who your players are and 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.920 what their strengths and weaknesses are. And if you fully 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.880 understand that, that allows you then to put them in 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.879 positions to succeed and keep them out of positions where 0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.200 they're going to fail because that's just not what they 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:46.760 do right Well, your. 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:51.200 Boy, Yeah, it's I felt like that last year, Fred, 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.440 where they got back to that where you know, Robert 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.840 Splayan has to miss some time, Milton Williams has to 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.880 miss some time, and those guys, their replacements weren't as 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.480 good a players as those frontline guys were, but they 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.279 still won games. It wasn't like, you know, they lost 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.480 Milon Williams and then they all of a sudden went 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.719 into the tank. And I you know, I think there's 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.399 a lot of guys on this roster that are new 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:15.840 you know, or newer you know, Corey Dirten, kJ Britt, 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:17.840 you know, those players that are going to now be 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:21.560 replacing Jack Gibbons and Kiris Toga. And you know, that's 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.240 the big question with this team is can kJ Britt 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.360 be as good, serviceable of a backup as Jack Gibbons 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.520 was And if Robert Splainer Christian Ellis has to miss time, 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:32.640 is he going to be able to fill in for 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.080 those guys like Jack Gibbons did Last year they had 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.360 a handful of those guys that really stepped up in 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:38.560 those types of situations. 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:42.120 Yeah. And I've always said there's no team sport in 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.880 the world where coaching makes more of a difference in football. 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.719 You know, if you have a good coaching staff, they 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.240 know what they're doing, they're all on the same page. 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.799 It makes it that much better for the players, you know, 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:57.520 a learning environment and again putting them in positions to 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.799 succeed because you understand what they can do. 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:02.239 Good and what they can't do. 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.560 Yeah, and everybody's back. I mean verybel talked about that 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:05.480 too yesterday. 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:09.200 Huge opportunity for them. I mean, clearly the system worked 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:10.239 to whatever extent. 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:11.440 I mean it worked. You know, they got to the 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:12.680 Super Bowl. We were too. 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:14.719 You know, at the beginning, the expectations were like, can 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:16.240 we just be the best of the bad teams? 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:17.160 You know, and then they were. 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:19.279 So now the bar raises. 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.279 A little bit, but I think having that continuity on 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.480 the coaching staff is just, you know, a huge bonus. 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:25.480 And let's talk about DeAndre Hopkins too, who. 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.000 Is going to be coaching a little Yeah, some of 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:29.600 the media. 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.880 Were a little bit confused yesterday, but you know, just 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:33.920 I know, the guy was just in the league last year. 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:35.640 But another veteran. 0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:39.360 Voice in that receiver room that has a ton of experience. 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.120 Combined that with AJ Brown spent so much time talking 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.160 about Stefan Diggs and the impact he made off the field. 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:46.640 With his experience and his buyer. 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:48.960 You know, I'm not saying that that that he's gonna 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:50.520 confidence is going to come in here and be the 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.160 emotional leader of this team, but I do think that 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.160 that experience can only help that room. 0:41:55.120 --> 0:42:00.280 Big media hoard around the owner in doctor Craft Dooming 0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:02.600 talking about the dogs, but there might be some football 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.239 questions sprinkled in there, and if there are, we'll get 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:10.800 them to you later on. Obviously practice hasn't officially started yet, 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.680 but it will in a few minutes. 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:15.960 So yeah, the whole thing, like with the roster, and 0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.840 I would agree with you all the stuff that you 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.440 guys mentioned. I think Mike hit on something very early 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:25.200 in the show though, like it it's amazing when your 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:29.000 quarterback hits how your roster looks so much better because 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.040 I think if you were having the problems that they had, 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.239 and I used to say this with Brady all the time, 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.759 so I'm being very consistent. They had some years they 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.880 were more talented than others. Fourteen is a glaring example. 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.720 They had more they had more base level talents across 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:45.560 the board than in most of those years. 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:46.279 But it didn't matter. 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:47.960 They they go to the Super Bowl all the time, 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:50.640 they were going to the AFC Championship, what eleven years 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.839 in a row, whatever, it was not all of those 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:57.080 teams were as talented as the twenty fourteen. But when 0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.720 you got it in that position, when you got it solved, 0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:03.480 it lifts everything around it, and that that to me 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.960 will be the key is right where Mike kicked off 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:11.200 the show. Can Drake may get even better or establish 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:12.120 himself that when. 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.640 Last year is the norm, that's what it's going to be. 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.480 Stats aside, that level of play, is that what he 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.440 is and if you get that the next ten twelve years. 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:23.360 You're going to be a contender. 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.799 I mean, I'm looking at the receivers even last year 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.000 and not any disrespect to those guys and made some 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:33.000 great plays, but like Kaishan Boudi, you know Mac Collins, like. 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.200 Are those guys that good? Or did Drake may look. 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:39.279 The ball is. 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.759 But you know they just were showing Rabel working with 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.319 Jack Westover and Hunter Henry and I just think tight 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:50.920 end is such a major uh position on this roster too. 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.480 We talked so much about the edge and rightfully so, 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.799 but behind Hunter Henry right now there is I think 0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:00.560 their combined catches of their career is one. I think 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.680 if I'm not mistaken, and Jack it's Jack Westover catch 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.000 on the flat. You know, it's not exactly a more 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.640 dynamic play. So Eli Riarden is a guy that has 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:12.560 a lot on his plate right now. Yeah, he's gonna 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.279 have to be the backup tight end or they're gonna 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.319 have to go out of house and bring somebody in 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.040 at some point during training camp if he's not ready 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.840 for it. So, uh, you lose Julian Hill in the spring, 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.920 you at Austin Hooper walk. I think that's another spot 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:28.319 that is just as glaring to me, along with the 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.640 edge that that they could need some reinforcements there in 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:32.279 a couple of weeks. 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.439 I know, sorry, Fred, just I mean it's surprising because 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.120 we thought they would sign somebody and the two people 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:39.360 they signed were Mitch Vamba Camp, Franklin more. 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.680 Camp body type. So we'll see. But those guys are 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:42.759 going to get some opportunities. 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.319 So you know, Jack Westover, he always just seems these 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.040 last couple of years, just seems to make it through 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:49.040 somehow finds. 0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.920 A role played fullback last year. He's another one to watch, 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:52.200 all right. 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:53.919 So in a few seconds, we're gonna have to turn 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.919 off our field cameras. I think they have to. That's 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:00.920 it right now, only for period one. So as soon 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:04.080 as period one is over and period two starts, will 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:05.960 turn those cameras back on. So why do we have 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.240 to do that three minutes. It's because probably in period 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:13.480 one they're actually walking through some of the plays that 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.000 they're gonna do later on they go eleven and eleven, 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.120 and they don't necessarily want that stuff streamed out live 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:19.960 all over the world. 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.040 Now, so now I can understand that usually works that way. 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:24.920 It's a little preview of what we're going to be 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.520 working on. Let's walk through it. We talked about it 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.120 earlier this morning in the meeting. Walk through that. Okay, 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.600 now let's get stretched out individual drills. We'll get back 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:33.279 to it. We'll see some team stuff later. 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:34.080 Yeah. 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.560 I do like you can really tell that about a 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.560 VRABEL practice that it all kind of builds over the 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.160 course of the practice. First they do it in the classroom, 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:43.400 then they come out and they do it in a 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:46.040 walk through from the best Yeah, then they do it 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:47.880 in a jog through, and then they actually do it 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.160 at full speed. And you can tell how that like 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.960 repetition is going to make sure that these guys understand 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:54.480 the plays that they're supposed to be running at a 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:55.040 high level. 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:56.680 It's kind of cool to watch it. 0:45:56.760 --> 0:46:00.279 Yeah, And every team does that same thing, except for 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:04.640 back in the day the Atlanta Falcons. That that practice 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:06.400 that we were at, that was one of the most 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:09.680 disorganisms We had a joint practice with Atlanta Mike Smith. 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:13.120 Mike Mike Smith was the coach walking around with this 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:17.160 pits helmet and it was it was you know, it 0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.560 was one of we had great dvantage. We were like 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:21.920 right on the field in between the two practice fields. 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.279 But it was one of the most disorganized practice I've 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:25.040 ever been to it. 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.080 Yeah, I was gonna say not everybody does that, because 0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:30.200 I've seen some disorganized practices. 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.799 Here where I'm like, wait, what are we doing? 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.319 But you know here there's a clear sort of just 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:39.120 like emphasis on on certain things or you know, organization 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.880 to it that. Yeah, it's pretty easy to pick up 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:43.919 on after you know, you watch it a couple of times. 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.200 Every practice has a reason, you know, for being out there, 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.120 and they build, like you said, they build up to 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.520 the end where it all needs to come together. 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:54.160 I mean you heard braves hit on it. I mean 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:55.879 you're running in and off the field. I mean they 0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:57.680 want that game kind of tempo to it. 0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.920 Yeah, and you know, if you do it enough and practice, 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.480 when by the time you get to the game, like okay, 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.359 we've done that before. This is just how I remember that. 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:10.000 Yeah, we have a little bit of a nugget from 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:14.360 Robert Kraft's media availability. Okay, he said that this is 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.880 from Doug Kay and he said that the Patriots have 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.239 offered Christian Gonzalez a contract that would make him the 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.680 highest paid cornerback in the NFL and the highest paid 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:22.840 player in team history. 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:23.920 Wow. 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.200 That feeds into what Paul said to me of the 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.520 question with that, but is it high enough? 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.760 Yeah? Does the agent agree with that characterization? 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:33.200 Yeah? 0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:37.800 You know, Yeah, there's a lot of details highest paid, 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.279 what's the guarantee? Like, what's what's all that stuff like? So, 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:45.480 but it's good to at least hear that the offer 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:47.480 has been made and the numbers are up there. 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.120 Yeah, it's just like, again, it goes back to what 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:51.480 Paul said, is is it enough? 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.520 How much does he want? You know, it's it's weird 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:55.600 how these things all work out, and. 0:47:56.239 --> 0:48:00.239 Is it you know, is it smart for him to 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:04.839 not accept it until witherspo Yeah, you know, so it's 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:05.480 a stare down. 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.440 Yeah, yeah, I'm just curious to see what do we 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.320 how are we judging the highest paid player in Patriot history? 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.360 I'm just relaying what the man said. 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:17.479 All right, didn't Tom Brady make like fifty two million 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:19.960 one year? Does that not count? 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:20.719 I'm not sure. 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.800 Well, I'm assuming I'm going to guess Christian Zalas is 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:25.000 not going to get an annual value. 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.920 I'm assuming it's total value of the contract. 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:30.640 I would assume that too. Yeah, which gets back to 0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:31.279 Fred's point. 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.160 Right, Well, I think Milton Williams right now currently has 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:36.040 the highest because it's just going to be the next 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:37.600 big ticket guy that I sign. 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:37.960 Right. 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:40.280 The other thing that was out there is Mike Reeves 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.480 reporting that the Patriots have made progress with gay Bacus 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.720 on a contract, and he's being told that they are 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.919 are making significant progress there and to get a deal done, 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.480 so hopefully, you know, as long as I feel like 0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:55.920 with Acus, if he's here by pads, then I'm pretty 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:57.040 then I think we're right. 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:01.239 But like the health to me is like that. 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:03.799 I thought Mike did a good job of explaining that, like, yeah, 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.360 we hope he is. We don't know, would be crazy 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.320 that he comes, he's here, he's signed, he's on pop 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:14.920 Well he almost can he notot be right? 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:17.759 Why he's on pup if he comes and fails the 0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.359 conditioning test, then he's going to go on Puppah. 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.200 But my guess is he won't take it right away. 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:24.239 Yeah, so they got to check him out. I mean 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.200 there'll be some uncertainty even that initial news of oh 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.480 this is great, he signed. I think there's still be 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:30.319 some hurdles to get over. 0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:34.399 Where's thatch, where's Zach is from? Where does he live? 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:36.280 I don't know. He played at Illinois. 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:37.560 I don't know where he's from. 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.200 Florida originally okay, because you know, Rabel said he's not 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.160 New England. I just wonder where where in the world 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:44.759 is gay Bad? 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:48.400 Well, he keeps posting on Florida's hometown. 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:51.640 Yeah, he keeps posting the videos of him working out 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.879 on social media, like going through you know, pass rush 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:58.000 drills and stuff like that. And he looked he looks healthy, 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.800 but obviously those are curated to probably can look healthy. 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.080 So you know who knows sating with one leg? 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:07.000 Yeah, he puts out video of himself limping. It's like, 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.000 you need to talk to yourself. 0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:11.880 It's got like the ice bags on his knees and 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:13.160 it's not looking out Now. 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:14.839 Christian Gonzalez, he. 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:18.400 Was Christian Gonzalez was playing catch with some of the fans. Uh, 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.880 walking around throwing throwing the ball around with some of 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:22.560 the fans before practice. 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:24.760 Okay, little pr Yeah, exactly. 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:28.160 Working with Carlton Davis. We'll see what his schedules like 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:29.960 this summer. I mean, no player. 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:32.360 We uh thought I lost him for the season, and 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.480 then he was just farmed last year. 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:39.480 But you know, getting back to the talents of Christian Gonzales, 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.240 we saw it right away. He's so fluid out there, 0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:46.319 you know, he's so graceful. Yeah, and that is a 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:50.120 rare thing. That's a rare thing. Revis was like that obviously, 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.000 Dion Sanders was like that. But to be able to 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:57.640 mirror a wide receiver the way he does is a 0:50:57.760 --> 0:50:58.239 rare thing. 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.680 Yeah. I think, you know, maybe he'll end up being 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:03.560 a better player. But he reminds me in all ways 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:09.080 of Steph Gilmore, like just size, athleticism, fluidity, personality, Like 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.840 it just seems like he's a carbon copy of and 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:13.680 Gilmore is a defensive Player of the Year, you know, 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.520 and he's really really good player. So I just I 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.200 remember his fluidity standing out at his combine. His combine 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.200 workout is like you put that on, and like, if 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.520 you're a cornerback prospect going into the draft and you 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:28.960 want to see what should my ideal workout look like, 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.200 just go watch Christian Gonzales go through the drills at 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:33.520 the combine in Indianapolis. 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:36.080 I mean, it's unbelievable us watching the draft and being 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:40.359 like he kept falling and yeah, and then he's there 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:41.120 for the taking. 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:43.120 Get him. I still got him. 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.440 Yeah. I think Parcels used to call it swivel hips, 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:48.600 those swivel hips to cornerback. 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:51.000 Now he's outstanding. 0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:53.719 I mean, look, in a perfect world, was he was 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:55.280 he a little bit more of a crazy tackle? 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.239 I mean, you know, I think he's fine. I just 0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:57.800 I think. 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:01.680 Bad rap that he's got. I've seen him come up 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.480 in space and get down and it's not always the 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:06.239 greatest form, but he does the job. 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:07.560 He gets it done. 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.719 That's I thought he tackled better as the season more on, 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.000 and I know that there was some reporting about that 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.320 that maybe they challenged him to tackle a little bit better. 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:16.720 Around the Baltimore game. 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:18.560 I think there's no doubt. I think if you listen 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.719 to Rabel, I think being physical and being a little 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:23.840 closer to the line was something that he was pushing 0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:25.480 him to do. Yeah. 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:26.920 Yeah, I think they want to roll the coverage a 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.040 little bit more than maybe they did in the old system, 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.120 where he's playing the flat a lot more with the 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.239 safety behind him. And if you're going to play that, 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:35.680 you want him to be a better tackler because there 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.720 because they're funneling the runs out to the wide edges, 0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:41.240 so you want to be able to have your corners 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:43.560 tackle and come up and tackle. And I thought I 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:45.719 saw more of that as as the season. 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.479 War and listen two years ago before of Rabel, weren't 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:52.560 they just terrible on the edge containing the run? It 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.640 was just with you. 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:56.520 But I think to the thing with him is like 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.640 he's so athletic that like he has the ability to 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:01.799 a job and get into a good position to make 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:03.960 a tackle. Like he doesn't have to just come and 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.080 blast the guy because he's you know, and he's not 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:07.960 trying to like overwhelm with physicality. 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.600 He's got the athleticism to form tackle and get into 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:13.359 good position. So I don't know, he can't make every 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:14.120 player perfect. 0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:16.040 There's a little bit more I like got him. And 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.040 that's probably where you might look at Witherspoon all right, 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.080 and a little bit more of that in him, more feisty. 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:23.680 But it's fine. It's these kind of elite athletes are 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:25.360 so hard to find and get in the building. 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:25.680 Yeah. 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.879 I remember talking to his coaches when they've drafted him back, 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.839 you know, in twenty twenty three, and they said that 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:33.960 he's such a good athlete that sometimes it looks like 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.799 he's not trying because he's so it's just so effortless 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.319 for him to move around the field. And you know, 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.680 it's not that he's not trying, he's just that he's 0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:44.680 just that naturally gifted. I think sometimes that rat Fred 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:46.520 comes from that where it's like he just makes it 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:49.200 look so easy, right, you don't think that he's actually 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:49.880 going full. 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:51.640 Till Yeah, he's a finesse player and he's not. 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.200 Yeah, are no so three corners? 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:59.480 Speaking of natural gifts, we talked about the hope hopeful 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:03.200 movement of the offensive line, the addition of Gilliam at 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:06.880 full back, you know, a true full back, Trevion Henderson. 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.359 I mean, what's the opportunity there for him, because if 0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.280 there was a knock on him, it was being maybe 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.879 a little bit too patient in the backfield, not having 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.959 the right vision, not hitting the hole, not being decisive enough. 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:22.839 But now maybe with the holes being a little bit 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:25.719 bigger and with it having you know, Gilliam in front 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.839 of him, what kind of season could we see from 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:29.880 Trevion Henderson? 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:31.640 I mean, hopefully explosive. 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.400 I think that's you know, the biggest thing to me 0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:36.360 were those big plays that he had. But you're right, Fred, 0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:37.839 I think you need a little more vision, You need 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:39.759 a little more and passed protection for him to you 0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:41.920 know fully Earn Well, I didn't mention. 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.279 That, but that's tracks that's the biggest thing to me. 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.160 I want to see him take that next step as 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.400 a receiver out of the backfield because I think his 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.880 ability to stretch the field vertically out of the backfield 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:52.000 could be really dynamic. 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:53.440 And we see at practice. 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:55.680 I keep going back to that joint practice against the 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:57.880 Vikings last year where he took one up the sideline 0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:58.960 for like sixty yards. 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.000 You see that speed. 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.160 You get him matched up on a linebacker on a 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.480 wheel route, and who's winning, you know, we we know. 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.160 But in order to do that, the details, the pass protection, 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:10.960 the route you know, routes, the route combinations and the 0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:13.520 options and all these different things that they throw at 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:14.200 running backs. 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:15.839 If you don't trust him. 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:17.680 To be on the field in those situations from a 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:21.279 mental standpoint, then you can't accentuate the speed in the 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.040 passing game, you know, screen game, screen back. I think 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:24.400 you can be. 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:25.600 Really good at that as well. 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.000 But you know, there's a lot of mental stuff that 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.640 comes with all those different things, and that's what kept 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:31.400 them off the field. 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:33.480 I think. I think, you know, as Rayba would say, 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:37.440 it's critical that he does earn that trust to be 0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:39.680 out there on passing situations, and I. 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:40.960 Think it can be such a threat. 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.200 You know, you can flex them out, you can put them, 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:45.160 have him run wheels and seams. 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:45.680 Out of the backfield. 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.880 You can throw them the ball on screens and like 0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:49.959 he does any way that they can get him into 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.200 the open field with that speed and no one's catching him. 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:55.560 So if you get him in the open field on a. 0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:58.000 Screen, it's a touchdown, you know, And that's what you 0:55:58.080 --> 0:55:58.879 really hope to see. 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:04.279 If they have another tight end to compliment Hunter, Henry, you. 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.919 Know that was I mean, maybe, like Julian, you would 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:08.359 have to say, this offense. 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.320 Is absolutely loaded. I mean loaded. 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.320 They got everything at their disposal and that's you know, exciting. 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:15.839 Julian Hill would have given you that extra element you needed. 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.160 That's one unfortunate part of it all. But you know, 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:19.960 this is good shot here of trading on. But I 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.920 point out Land Larrison and jam Miller, the two you know, 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.759 other backs that have a real opportunity to get in 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:26.160 there and play. 0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:28.359 I mean, we have Patriots breaking news. 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:30.920 Christiana was signed. 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:35.080 The Patriots have signed Gay Accus a year, eight point 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:36.799 six million dollars contract. 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.680 Awesome person. Jordan Schultz with it. 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:43.120 First, I trust Jordan Schultz at this point and I really. 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.440 Don't, but I'm gonna go with it, Trustywhere but to 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:45.960 the star bus. 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:50.200 So gay Accus is signed. Well, he's not out here today, 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.719 but hopefully that means maybe they can get him back, 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:54.880 you know, and get him on the field, you know, 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.120 say in a week, and he can sort of catch up. 0:56:58.440 --> 0:56:59.600 That's a armstrings. 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:02.120 So that's a great domino to fall. 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:04.960 Because again we'll remind everyone, it's the same agent as 0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:09.719 Christian Gonzales, right, So the wheels are moving. Yeah, So 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:13.560 the isis thought when it comes to acis with the agent. 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:15.839 Hopefully the next thing to happen. 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.520 Is Yeah, it's great. That's a great start. 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.680 That's great. That's good news, really really good news to 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.400 start off day one with camp. You got your second 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:29.000 round draft pick at a position of need into the folds, 0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:30.560 so let's get his ass out here. 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.560 I'm Sarah. 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:36.040 We could use it all, but I do love you know. 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.320 I think now it's like we just talked about five 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:39.240 minutes ago before. 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:41.240 Is he healthy? Is he ready to come in and 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:42.240 do the conditioning test? 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:43.280 Is he you know? 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:47.560 And I always worry hamstrings come in. You haven't been around, 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:50.400 you haven't been working out. Always worry about the hamstocks, 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:51.000 tes guys, the. 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.479 Soft tissue stuff, which we know Rages hates. But great 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:56.640 to have him. They need him if he can be out. 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:58.520 Here by you know, Thursday, Friday when they're going to 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:00.320 start to get into paths time. 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:02.440 And I would just love to hear his perspective too. 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:04.720 And I don't know when exactly they'll make him available. 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.640 That might be ways away, but when he is available, 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.760 I'm there's two sides to every story, and we've only 0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:14.400 really heard Rabel's point of view right now of what 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:16.040 exactly he went down. 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:21.840 And listen, now that he's here, I don't care. 0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:22.560 Let's move back. 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.640 I don't care about the contract. I care about his health. 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.560 Like I I don't really care about the contract at all, 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.280 but the health piece of it. 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:32.320 But if he's out there, then you can assume that 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:33.400 he passed every night. 0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:36.960 But is he Sony Michelle, all right, we'll. 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:37.480 See is he not? 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:38.080 Easily? 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:38.960 We don't know that. 0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:40.320 I mean, that only comes a time. 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:42.040 That's my question though. 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:43.480 You know, like that, that's what I want to know. 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:44.160 I want to know. 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:46.760 You know, do I have to worry about that? You know, 0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:48.160 this guy's career is because for. 0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.200 The reason he didn't just sign like everybody else does. Wow, 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:52.160 we don't know what it is. 0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:54.040 We don't know what it is. But if he's out 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:58.720 there and he's contributing, and he's in pads and no limitations, 0:58:58.800 --> 0:58:59.360 I don't care. 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:01.800 Just so would you not care if he's not a 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:05.200 Patriot in two years? Because that's what we're talking about. 0:59:05.240 --> 0:59:09.920 That's the concern. But I'm just saying that's the concern. 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:12.960 He might get two sacks in the first game, but 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:14.320 if he's not a Patriot next. 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:15.720 Year, like we're good? What good is that? 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.600 That's kind of what Sony, Yes, that's what like Sony 0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.400 Michelle thing, that's what Evan's talking about. 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:21.760 I think there's two things I didn't mean to. 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:23.760 I didn't even I didn't mean to you went to wait, 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:26.880 he went way dark there. But but but that, I 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:29.600 don't know what else it could have been at this point, 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:32.400 you know, like it's got to be something and going 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.720 into the drigos, but it's maybe I mean going into 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:37.480 the draft. There was a lot of people that were 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:39.840 saying he was going to go early second round in 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:41.720 the thirties, and he slid a little bit, you know, 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:44.280 he went about twenty twenty five picks later. Then some 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.240 people thought he was going to go. And then all 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.760 this reporting comes out, especially from Mike Reese, who had 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:52.200 a litany of things that teams were were red flagging 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:52.600 with him. 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:56.040 Hamstring, knee, shoulder, but like all. 0:59:55.920 --> 0:59:58.880 These different things, so everybody kind of had a different story, 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:00.680 and we went we. 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:02.440 Went dark with Sony Michelle. So I'm going to take 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:07.000 the other side. I'm going to do but I'm going 1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:09.600 to do the Nakobe Dean, Rob Gronkouse, He's not an 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:10.200 example of this. 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:15.640 The Nakobe Dean had this. Nakobe Dean had this. 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:19.680 I'm not going to argue with you about bron But 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:23.400 Nakobe Dean had this kind of litany of injuries that 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:29.000 teams needed special like protection, and and he has played 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:30.040 and he's been productive. 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:31.000 He's been a good player. 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:34.040 You know, he's dealt with injuries just like everybody else 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:36.960 in the NFL. But he's been active for the Eagles 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:38.840 and he's been a big part of the defense. So 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:42.640 it doesn't mean that it has to be like Sony Michelle, 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:44.920 and you know, he has a decent first year and 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.000 then he kind of you know, the knee on knee 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:50.520 thing or Dominique Easley, He's never really able to get 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:51.040 on the field. 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:52.200 It doesn't have to be bad. 1:00:52.320 --> 1:00:55.080 That's the jump that I don't know that we necessarily 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:55.520 have to make. 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.920 Just because yes, he had some injury flags, he needed 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.760 a clean up surgery. That doesn't necessarily mean that he 1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:04.400 has a chronic injury issue that is going to haunt them. 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.240 I guess that's what the Patriots were trying to protect 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:07.920 themselves about. 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:09.919 But if he had to clean up without telling them, 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:11.760 is it about the contract and is it about the 1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:15.000 communication or is it about the long term injury, because 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:16.960 it could just be about the contract. 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:17.800 He just signed today. 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:19.760 No, no, but he was saying, is it about you 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:21.960 just didn't tell us. We didn't know about this. We 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:24.160 need to protection. We were pissed and we need a cleanup. 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:28.160 Does that necessarily he's not unsigned because they're pissed, but 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:28.720 he signed? 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:30.240 Why he didn't. 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:33.160 Sign today because they were pissed? Why it hurts them? 1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:35.640 Why can't try to protect them? They were trying to 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:36.400 protect themselves. 1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:38.560 But why can't a guy just have a cleanup surgery 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:39.800 and didn't tell anybody? 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:41.240 And that's an issue? But why does that happen? 1:01:41.320 --> 1:01:43.880 Why would that affect his contract because he didn't tell them? 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:46.000 So why does that affect his contract. 1:01:45.560 --> 1:01:47.120 Because he didn't tell them? And if that's an injury 1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:49.160 that they didn't know about, they want some protection on it. 1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:52.800 Why because they had to clean up without telling them? 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:56.280 Okay, so what's the danger he didn't tell them? They're mad? 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:59.360 Don't do that again. Yeah, but not sign right here? 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:00.160 But that means you. 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:01.600 Got a clean up surgery out telling us you have 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:03.480 a chronic the issue that's going to. 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:04.800 But now I'm in. 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:07.000 But now you just said the word now, But that's 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:10.800 the death the dog, that's the fear and I have 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:12.720 to think that they didn't just do this dog and 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:17.600 pony show for nothing nocause the reason the Patriots wanted. 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:20.200 Some protection, and I don't think it's because. I think 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:23.040 that because they're concerned. There's Those are two very different 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:23.560 things in my. 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:25.320 Opinion, Like it both could be true. 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:29.440 And oh, there's no doubt that they were irritated, but 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:31.640 that's not why he's not signed, is my point. 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:33.320 I don't hit this on the head. 1:02:33.400 --> 1:02:34.960 I think we're going to learn a lot about this 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:37.680 whole situation of whether or not he passes his physical 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:40.400 and is on pupp or and if I to start 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:43.200 his tenure here with the Patriots, if. 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:45.360 I would just say he better pass his physical and 1:02:45.400 --> 1:02:46.800 be on the field right if he. 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:48.920 Shows up like I don't know if he'll be tomorrow, 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:50.640 but let's just say he shows up tomorrow and he's 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:53.000 just number fifties, just out there and it's just like 1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:54.280 nothing ever happened. 1:02:54.240 --> 1:02:56.440 Then we can all pretty much, Mike. 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.360 I'll say that that some of the what Mike is 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:03.400 talking about, they're they're convinced that he's healthy. If he's 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:06.120 you know, if it's like business as usual, I expect 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:07.160 him to be out here quickly. 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:10.959 I really do now what's quickly. 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:13.000 And of the way. 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:19.280 Quickly these four days like it's it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.160 Before that's over, I expect to see. 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:23.800 So like will he be in the first fully padded practice. 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:24.720 He's going to be out there. 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:26.560 I don't know if he'll be ready for a fully 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.280 padded practice just in terms of what Mike is talking about, 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:32.880 like conditioning soft tissue stuff, I don't know about that, 1:03:32.920 --> 1:03:35.200 but I think physically he'll be ready for the first practice. 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.200 I'm more I always want to see if he ends 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:40.040 up on a list that that's really you know, maybe 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:43.080 they slow play it and they ease him into it 1:03:43.200 --> 1:03:46.000 just from being out there, but you just want him 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:47.880 out there. You know, if he's on in a fire, 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:50.280 if he's on pump, that tells me that there's still 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:51.120 structurally something. 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:52.960 I do expect to see him quickly. 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:53.320 I do. 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:56.360 With modern medicine the way it is, and you know 1:03:56.400 --> 1:04:02.240 we're in Boston, our team doctors hail from mass General Brigham. 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:05.160 Is there a way to know if a guy is 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:08.680 gonna have a chronic knee injury or any type of injury? Yeah? 1:04:08.720 --> 1:04:10.720 Absolutely, I mean cardinal left in his knee. 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:13.400 Yeah, they they talked about it. I can't hate to 1:04:13.440 --> 1:04:15.280 keep going back to it, but they talked about it 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:17.920 with Sony Michelle going into the draft that teams were 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:20.240 aware that that he was going to have a shorter career. 1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:22.760 Malcolm Mitchell, teams were aware that he was going to 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:27.080 have a shorter career. So that that definitely whatever technology 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:28.000 they use, I'm not. 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:32.200 But Patriots signed him anyway. They drafted him anyway, So what. 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:35.400 Well, a shorter career doesn't mean he's not gonna play 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:37.640 at all. You know, even if he's good for four 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.160 or five years, you're still you know, getting value out 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:42.800 of that. So, you know, I think it's where in 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:45.520 terms of chronic knee injuries and things like that, I 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:47.640 think it's a combination of are you going to have 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:50.120 to manage this like, you know, day in and day out, 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:53.240 and he's gonna have to manage practice reps and manage 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:56.320 you know, things like that, and too obviously looking at 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:59.320 it from a long term perspective of a second contract 1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:01.520 in those types things, you know, is he going to 1:05:01.600 --> 1:05:02.480 be able to play. 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:03.200 For a while? Yeah. 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:05.360 I just the thing, it's just like the disconnect for me, though, 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:08.200 is we knew about Sony Michelle Dominic Easley towards a 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:10.360 cl six times before he got her whatever it was, like, 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:12.800 gay Back has played fifty games, like he wasn't like 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.120 this chronic injured guy who couldn't really get on the 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:17.280 field like he was out there, you know, so maybe 1:05:17.280 --> 1:05:19.640 he was banged up. I just I pushed back. 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:20.680 It's the same thing on A J. 1:05:20.840 --> 1:05:24.160 Brown where you say the word chronic knee injury and 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:25.680 everyone thinks that the guy is. 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:27.919 Oh, I don't think Brown had a chronic knee injury. 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:29.600 JJ Brown's been in the league eight years. 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:31.720 Well, but isn't this even an issue for a while? 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:33.200 That's now injury? 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:35.080 Like he might be dealing with an injury that he 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:37.720 has now that has effect that hasn't effected him throughout 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:38.200 his career. 1:05:38.360 --> 1:05:40.160 Oh okay, he got this was last year. 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:43.920 Yeah, okay, Well, the injury and there's a concern that 1:05:44.080 --> 1:05:46.720 it's a lingering injury, like the knee is not okay 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:50.280 right now, but not not like coming out of whole miss. 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:53.120 No, but when when he was in Tennessee towards the 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:56.160 end of Tennessee and granted this is from Tennessee's side 1:05:56.160 --> 1:05:59.720 when they made that trade. But from that perspective, there 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:03.240 was reporting at the time that they were had a 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:05.760 long term well maybe, but then he went on to 1:06:05.760 --> 1:06:08.320 have fifteen hundred yards and was an Allpro with the Eagles, 1:06:08.360 --> 1:06:10.800 So you know, everything kind of this is different. 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:14.040 They talk about it doesn't really okay. 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:14.360 But a J. 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:16.160 Brown we know can play in the league. We don't 1:06:16.160 --> 1:06:18.200 know if gay Bachus complained in the league yet. So 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:20.520 I'm a little more willing to take a risk with 1:06:20.560 --> 1:06:23.040 AJ Brown that his knee is okay or not okay 1:06:23.280 --> 1:06:24.960 versus a guy that hasn't played a snap in the 1:06:25.040 --> 1:06:25.600 NFL yet. 1:06:25.600 --> 1:06:27.120 We don't know if gay back is is good. 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:30.160 Yeah, I just I don't know. The word chronic To me, 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:31.439 it comes up a lot. 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:33.720 We can use a synonym of chronic for you to 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:34.800 make you feel a little bit better. 1:06:35.720 --> 1:06:39.440 Well, an existing injury, long long term concerns. 1:06:39.520 --> 1:06:41.400 It's just it's just the fact this guy's not gonna 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:42.760 be able to make it through his rookie year deal 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:44.480 because his knee is gonna explain it like that. 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:47.680 I have no idea even what the injury is. I 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:50.240 know that Mike Rabel said he had a kneed procedure. 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.160 That's all I know. Like, I don't know even what 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:56.920 the problem red flag, if there is one even is 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:58.680 on it might not even be about his knee. 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:00.480 Right, Well, that's what Evan said, you know that. They 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:01.800 were like, I have no idea. 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:07.240 He plays hard, he signed, he'll be out here delivered soon. 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:08.720 Let's go, let's go. 1:07:08.840 --> 1:07:10.040 What has happened to our show? 1:07:10.320 --> 1:07:10.800 Let's go? 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:15.120 All right, I'm trying, Paul, I know, we just can't. 1:07:15.200 --> 1:07:17.120 Like, Yeah, it's unfortunate. 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:21.040 What are you mad about? What's the matter put up 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:21.600 into our show? 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:26.000 What we I guess gott to look forward to this 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:26.760 all year or two? 1:07:27.120 --> 1:07:28.440 What's that being positive? 1:07:28.600 --> 1:07:28.960 No? 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:32.960 Okay, so we're what are we doing out here? What 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:35.320 does this look like? We're doing some doing some. 1:07:36.800 --> 1:07:42.240 Yeah, protection protection, Yes, you got the long snapper right 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:45.400 there in the middle, that's Ashby. So we're just coming 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:47.280 out of our stance and protecting the punter. 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:51.600 Braden Swinson. I think Braden Swinson can make a make 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:53.840 a push it all here. I mean he was drafted, 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:54.400 make it. 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:54.760 You know. 1:07:55.160 --> 1:07:57.440 The big thing that I keep going back with Braiden Swinson, 1:07:57.440 --> 1:07:59.360 and I feel like I'm repeating myself because this is 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:01.320 all we've talked to for the last couple of weeks. 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:04.040 But a lot of the concerns coming out of the 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:09.000 draft with him were maturity, like personality maturity and him, 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:11.320 you know, accepting and growing into being a pro. 1:08:11.720 --> 1:08:13.080 The concerns were not ability. 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:15.720 He was a top one hundred talent in his draft 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:18.639 class that fell a couple of rounds because teams were 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:21.000 a little bit worried about him buying into the program, 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:23.840 and all last year it kind of felt like that 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:26.599 was the focus, like, let's not focus quite as much 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:29.639 on you actually playing this year on the football field, 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:32.720 but let's focus on you getting into our program and 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:34.000 getting your feet. 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:34.679 Wet in the NFL. 1:08:35.600 --> 1:08:38.640 So hopefully that's behind him and he's sort of going 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:41.000 to take that next step now physically on the field. 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.280 But I remember, you know, most of the projections had 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:46.599 him as a third round pick, top one hundred guy 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:49.960 in that draft, and we had Dan Bruger on at 1:08:50.000 --> 1:08:51.800 one point and I was like, why did he follow 1:08:52.000 --> 1:08:52.800 a couple of rounds? 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:54.920 And that was the beast himself. 1:08:54.960 --> 1:08:56.720 That was his answer was that it was a lot 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.200 of you know stuff concerns, you know, showing up late 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:01.880 to things like maturity, you know, that type of stuff, 1:09:01.920 --> 1:09:05.240 and hopefully that that's behind him and now he can 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:07.519 just kind of play and be better for it. 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:10.360 Yeah, of all those guys, I mean, there's there's bodies 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:12.439 there at the edge position, there's just what do you 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:14.320 feel great ab having Hutchinson from there? 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:16.640 Is it Hutchins or hu Hutchins Hutchins. 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:19.559 Yeah, Hutchins Q Hutchins when I you know, I talked 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:22.880 to Bill O'Brien about him, and he was more thought 1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:25.040 that his path to the NFL would be special teams. 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:27.800 He's a really good special teams player, and then maybe 1:09:28.080 --> 1:09:28.280 like a. 1:09:28.360 --> 1:09:32.400 Third down situational pass rusher if he does emerge on defense. 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:34.840 But those two guys right there that we're showing right now, 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:38.240 ninety one and forty three, Ponder and Braden Swinson, if 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:41.400 you're looking for guys that can emerge and and really 1:09:41.520 --> 1:09:44.120 push for playing time. You know, Ponder I think has 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:47.320 already done it. I think he's already here. But maybe 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:49.840 Swinson can be a surprise of camp. You're kind of 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:52.160 like a breakout of camp. So I'll be interested to 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:54.920 see him, you know, when he gets his reps against 1:09:55.040 --> 1:09:57.320 Moses and Campbell and Lomu and in some of the 1:09:57.360 --> 1:09:58.120 frontline guys. 1:09:58.360 --> 1:10:01.200 Well even then though, you you really don't know until 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:05.560 things are for real, you know, because sometimes guys, you know, 1:10:05.640 --> 1:10:07.960 get tipped off, they've seen the play before, they kind 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:09.240 of cheat a little bit. Yeah. 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:11.679 Yeah, but he's got skill as a pass rusher. Yeah, 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:13.519 that was his thing coming out. And it's not so 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:17.000 much about like explosiveness. I would say it's more like, 1:10:17.560 --> 1:10:21.160 uh skilled, you know, he has a deep yeah toolbox 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:23.160 of moves and he knows how to use his hands 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:25.519 and he knows how to set guys up and things 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:27.680 like that. So I didn't really see a ton of 1:10:27.720 --> 1:10:29.880 that last year. I didn't feel like in camp because 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:32.160 I think that his head was kind of swimming in 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:33.960 it a little bit. But maybe this year he can 1:10:34.040 --> 1:10:34.519 settle down. 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:36.719 That was a question I was thinking about, maybe for Abel, 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:38.840 but I'd be curious what you guys think of he 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:40.800 So he talks about like yesterday brought up the tight 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:42.280 end room and while their guys are going to get 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:45.840 some opportunities, what does it look like taking advantage of opportunities. 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:48.200 We know there's a sack or you know, like a 1:10:48.439 --> 1:10:51.479 splash pay in a team consistency. But what is yeah, like, 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:53.519 what does that look like in individual drills? 1:10:53.560 --> 1:10:56.040 What does you know, taking advantage of opportunities look like 1:10:56.560 --> 1:10:59.880 outside of oh, well, Kyle Wis he didn't have any catches. 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:02.519 Today, especially when you can't tackle, Like. 1:11:02.800 --> 1:11:03.960 What does that look like? To me? 1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:06.800 It's consistency, not just to you know. What I think 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:09.920 of is like knowing where you're supposed to be, knowing 1:11:10.000 --> 1:11:13.880 the play and performing to their eyes like down in, 1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:16.240 play in and play out. Yeah, like because we you know, 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:18.639 we can look at a practice and see a flash, 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:20.760 like we can see Kyle Williams make a big catch 1:11:20.920 --> 1:11:23.560 or Swinson get into the backfield on a rep. But 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:25.479 what's he doing on the other twenty reps that he 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:26.240 got in practice? 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:27.160 Right, Malcolm? 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:29.479 Butler's a good example of that. I mean, you know, 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:31.799 to the naked eye, to the layman, you like, Okay, 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:34.280 he's out out there, but he's not really picking off passes. 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:37.599 But they saw the competitiveness. They saw like a guy 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:40.400 who was in on every play. Yeah, even if he 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:42.519 didn't make it, he was right there. He was inches 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:45.599 away from making the play. Okay, there's something to work 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:48.960 with there. Let's let's give this guy more opportunity, let's 1:11:48.960 --> 1:11:51.200 see if he can take it to the next step. So, 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:54.120 you know, guys like that, I think that's what it 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:55.600 means to show opportunity. 1:11:55.760 --> 1:11:57.720 Yeah, that's I mean, it's easy to see the guys 1:11:57.720 --> 1:11:59.760 who make the plays, but you know there are guys 1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:01.439 that good practices without making. 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.600 I'm sure there's so many times where we think a 1:12:04.640 --> 1:12:06.800 guy had a good practice because he made a few 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:09.880 a few flashes, and then they get into the meeting 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:12.560 room after practice and have like twenty corrections. 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:13.880 Supposed to be there. 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:15.559 You just got lucky. Yeah, right right. 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:18.120 That's another part of it too, with you know more 1:12:18.120 --> 1:12:19.960 talk about it last year with Rabel and his meetings, 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:22.120 asking questions around the room and stuff, And that's. 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:24.560 Probably another thing where you're getting called on and you 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.639 consistently have the right answers, you know what to do, Yeah, earning. 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:29.760 The trust of the veterans around you, knowing the names 1:12:29.800 --> 1:12:31.000 of the people in the dining room. 1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:34.280 He said something, was it in Forge that he said 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:37.680 that nobody wants to play with somebody that doesn't know 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:39.960 what he's doing, right, yeah, yeah, And I think he 1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:43.120 asked Kevin Byard, like, isn't that true? And Bard was like, yeah, Like, 1:12:43.200 --> 1:12:44.840 if I can't trust the guy to my left and 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:46.120 the guy to my right is going to be in 1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:48.000 the right place, I can't play with it. 1:12:48.360 --> 1:12:50.880 I think Belichick might have said it or somebody on 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:53.439 his staff. It's better if we're all on the wrong 1:12:53.520 --> 1:12:56.320 page than one guy being on the wrong page, you know, 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:57.080 because at. 1:12:57.080 --> 1:12:58.920 Least then there's an excuse of like they didn't get 1:12:58.920 --> 1:12:59.280 the call. 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:01.840 Or something right, because one guy can blow it up 1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:06.040 in football, don't get one to eleven. Yeah, there he 1:13:06.240 --> 1:13:09.599 is number ten on his shoulder. 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:11.960 We got a new bright red shirt. 1:13:12.280 --> 1:13:14.080 Oh yeah, he was wearing a really faded I think 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:15.640 he's wearing Garoppolos number ten. 1:13:15.720 --> 1:13:18.880 We were talking about that during during the spring, like why. 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:19.719 Is his shirt so faded? 1:13:19.840 --> 1:13:21.840 I think we made a big enough deal about it 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:23.160 and finally got in the new one. 1:13:24.800 --> 1:13:27.200 Stacy got to the bottom of that, Mike. Mike and 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:28.720 I were talking on with Stacey about that. It's like, 1:13:28.760 --> 1:13:30.280 what do you think the deal is with that? 1:13:31.560 --> 1:13:32.519 It's like, I don't know. 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:35.240 And the ramps here are open. I just saw Tommy 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:35.960 DeVito Jersey. 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:37.880 This is a turnout here. 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:39.519 We're overflowing into the ramps. 1:13:40.080 --> 1:13:41.400 With the with the foms. 1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:43.360 Good, good day. Here. 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:44.559 We're in period six. 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:47.479 So so is Tommy defeat the Vito right now? The 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:48.000 number two? 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:51.560 Yes? Yeah, Claire cut Yeah, I mean Martin basically. 1:13:51.240 --> 1:13:51.920 Got no reps. 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:57.519 Claire cutlet, Claire cutlet exactly mother's cutlets. Yeah. 1:13:57.840 --> 1:13:57.880 He. 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.840 I thought Morten was kind of an afterthought in the spring, 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:04.559 Like we barely really even saw him take any eleven 1:14:04.600 --> 1:14:05.400 on eleven reps. 1:14:05.439 --> 1:14:05.640 It was. 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:07.960 It was all may And and Devido. 1:14:08.120 --> 1:14:10.080 So that's only because he was so good in that 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:11.880 rookie mini camp. He didn't need the reps. 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:13.439 Exactly what I thought. 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:16.040 I was like, man, I was just trying to fit 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:17.040 in with the rest of the show. 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:19.400 Paul wasn't even at that rookie minnie camp. 1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:23.720 Practice of full disclosure here, I was just preparing for 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:24.240 the season. 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:29.120 Good keep practicing in the rain with us here we are, 1:14:30.160 --> 1:14:32.599 God forbid we win some games this year. Paul's going 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:33.400 to be miserable. 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:36.000 Well, I just worry about if we happened to lose one, 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:38.280 what might happen to this panel. 1:14:38.800 --> 1:14:40.400 Okay, that's not. 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:42.320 Not you. 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:43.040 Thank you. 1:14:44.960 --> 1:14:48.360 First day of camp. Try to be a little bit 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:50.280 more even killed first day camp. 1:14:50.400 --> 1:14:54.040 Well that's the thing, you know. Uh, last year first 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.519 game Week one didn't look too. 1:14:56.439 --> 1:15:00.720 Good, you know, but who knows, kind of I felt like, 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:02.479 here we go, it doesn't look like that this year. 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:04.200 I don't know if I have anybody to the post 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:06.240 game shows. 1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:08.800 Gino Smith's sixty the time, and then all of a 1:15:08.840 --> 1:15:11.360 sudden it was like, oh right, we're good now, all 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:11.840 right good. 1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:14.800 So we talked a little bit, I know, in the 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:17.040 past about is it a good thing or a bad 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:19.720 thing or a nothing thing that you're playing Seattle in 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:22.840 week one. I think it's a good thing, assuming that 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:25.680 Seattle is not going to have this huge regression and 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.360 they're going to be a good team again, you know, 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:31.160 getting a being able to go out there against the 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:33.720 super Bowl champs in week one just to kind of 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:34.720 see where you are. 1:15:35.040 --> 1:15:36.400 Yeah, you know, yeah, it's fine. 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:37.840 I mean, I think in a perfect world that would 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:40.400 have liked to see them get a chance to develop 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:42.519 their identity a little bit before they face a tough 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:46.400 matchup like that. But it's easy to get excited for 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:48.000 that's the last game you saw, and this is going 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:48.639 to be the next game. 1:15:48.960 --> 1:15:52.560 It's a great opportunity, it's a great opportunity, and I 1:15:53.000 --> 1:15:53.960 kind of like that, but. 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:57.200 I mean it could go either way. 1:15:57.439 --> 1:15:59.160 I mean, you could you go out to Seattle and 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:02.000 I'm not even say you you win it, but like 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:06.080 you played really well and it's clearly how much closer 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:07.360 you were to Seattle this time. 1:16:07.880 --> 1:16:08.679 You win the game. 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:11.439 Obviously, that's huge. It's a great opportunity. I think it's 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:12.360 an uplifting thing. 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:18.080 You get buried again, like yeah, Ben One, right right, Yeah. 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.160 Well, I mean I think to some stet we got 1:16:20.200 --> 1:16:23.240 buried by him seven months six months ago, so you know, 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:25.760 I think you can sweep on any We can't. 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:29.920 Mic they lost all the defensive players, Kenneth Walker. 1:16:31.560 --> 1:16:33.479 I just want to see, and I know this is 1:16:33.680 --> 1:16:36.880 a me thing, but I felt like it kind of 1:16:36.920 --> 1:16:38.640 got swept under rug a little bit how much they 1:16:38.640 --> 1:16:39.560 got out coached. 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:39.800 In that game. 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:43.960 You keep bringing it up, though, because I feel like 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:45.680 it just no one talks about it. We just all 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:47.760 blame Will Campbell, Like you know, it's like. 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:48.840 Jared Wilson too. 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:52.720 Yeah, it's unbelievable. Like the rookie left tackle that got 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:55.519 his butt beat gets blamed. But the coaches that have 1:16:55.600 --> 1:16:58.960 been in the league for twenty years they skate somehow. 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:02.560 On Twitter, I saw one of my guys, one of 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:05.240 my analytics guys, talking about the decision that they kicked 1:17:05.280 --> 1:17:08.479 the extra point after they scored their their only touchdown 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:10.519 of the game instead of going for two. I like 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:12.400 things like that, and I just I feel like this 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:16.080 is a big opportunity for those guys, Josh McDaniels, Mike 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:18.800 Rabel to put a much better game plan out there 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:21.679 this time around and get the team prepared much better 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:24.080 this time around, Like, you know, were where were some 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:26.080 of the answers to some of the things that Seattle 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:28.360 was doing. Where were some of the adjustments to some 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:30.479 of the things that Seattle was doing? And they just 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:33.160 it never came. It just kind of never happened. And 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:35.479 I hope this time around they have a better plan 1:17:35.600 --> 1:17:38.439 because clearly the one they rolled out there in February 1:17:38.600 --> 1:17:41.200 was not not working. So on both sides of the ball, 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:44.639 I would say, honestly, is there any chance that it's. 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:48.080 Not a more competitive games? 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:48.719 A chance of anything? 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:53.439 Yeah, But like what would say I used to say, yeah, 1:17:53.479 --> 1:17:55.559 there's a chance, what would. 1:17:55.320 --> 1:17:56.320 You say the odds. 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:03.120 That it's more more competitive, it's less competitive. 1:18:05.000 --> 1:18:07.560 Or as total chance I mean, I look, I I 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:10.519 have certain like philosophies. I believe it's always going to 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:12.160 be a little sloppy and weird the first month of 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:13.920 the season. There's gonna be things you not expected that 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:17.360 maybe strange turnovers. So you know, maybe the game unfolds 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:19.160 weird for them. But you know, in some ways, I 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.759 just think you have nothing to lose. You got smoked 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:23.680 by this team in the Super Bowl. It's week one. 1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:26.120 Go out there, let it rip, come up with a 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:29.120 good plan. You know, hopefully the Seattle is get a 1:18:29.160 --> 1:18:32.120 little bit enamored with raising their banner. But having been 1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:33.680 to two games in Seattle, and I haven't been to 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:36.080 a lot of other NFL stadiums, but that place is 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:39.400 going to be a madhouse. So it's just you know, 1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:42.200 and I look at it more regardless of the result, this. 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:44.240 Team is going to start off and they really made 1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:46.120 their They were the road Warriors last year. I mean, 1:18:46.120 --> 1:18:47.720 they set a record for road wins. I mean, this 1:18:47.880 --> 1:18:50.960 team did such a great job on the road last year. 1:18:51.439 --> 1:18:52.040 What's it look like. 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:54.040 I mean, if they went and laid an egg in Seattle, 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:57.000 I'll be like, that's a very big departure from this team. 1:18:57.040 --> 1:18:58.800 Because they didn't lay a egg in any of road games, 1:18:58.880 --> 1:18:59.439 true road games. 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:02.800 I know, the Super I wouldn't expect. I agree with Fred. 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:05.760 I think it should be a very small percentage that 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:07.080 it's not a competitive game. 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:11.240 Yeah, I'd be really really surprised if it was non competitive. Again. 1:19:11.400 --> 1:19:14.160 A couple of years ago, after the Chiefs won their 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:17.920 last Super Bowl, they played the Lions in the opener 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:19.599 and it wasn't a Super Bowl rematch, but they played 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:21.640 the Lions in the opener and the Lions beat them. 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:23.479 Yeah, and that was sort of the Dan. 1:19:23.439 --> 1:19:26.120 Campbell Lions like coming out party was like, no, this 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:27.000 Lions team is. 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:28.360 This team's for real. 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:31.080 And I feel like that's the opportunity that the Patriots 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:34.040 have where everybody's still talking about the schedule last year 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:35.920 and the breaks that they got last year and the 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:38.000 road and all that kind of stuff. If you come 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:40.920 out Week one and the opener and you ruined Seattle's 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:43.439 party on their banner night, then the rest of the 1:19:43.520 --> 1:19:46.000 league is unnoticed. Like now all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, no, 1:19:46.120 --> 1:19:47.439 that wasn't a fluke last year. 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:49.320 I mean, I would really like to have seen them 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:50.880 have Julian Hill to go into this game. 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:53.280 I mean, Seattle's a team. I mean, Emmory's on pup, 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:55.559 so we'll see how healthy he is when you get 1:19:55.600 --> 1:19:58.120 to week one. But Seattle's a defense that wants to. 1:19:58.120 --> 1:19:59.960 Stay in nickels. So if you're able to go ahead 1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:02.680 with Gilliam now and if you have Julian Hill, you're not. 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:04.840 But I do think the Patriots have a little bit 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:08.240 more ability to go heavy and maybe challenge Seattle to 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:10.479 stay in the nickel package that they want to and 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:12.439 play the way they want to and dictate terms and 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:14.320 do all the things that Mike McDonald's so good at. 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:17.600 So you know, that could be a potential twist schematically. 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:20.360 But again a J Brown, Romeo doffs, those guys are 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:21.599 gonna have to step up in that game. 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:25.040 Yeah, I mean, and again it's just week one. 1:20:25.479 --> 1:20:25.640 You know. 1:20:25.800 --> 1:20:28.960 Two years ago Week one was pretty festive in that 1:20:29.120 --> 1:20:32.960 locker room, Yeah, and things kind of last. 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:35.400 Year week one was the opposite. That's right, You just 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:37.280 never know what, you know. 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:40.200 Week one games a lot of funny things happen. Yeah, 1:20:40.320 --> 1:20:44.519 and I do I have a believer in the that champ, 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:46.240 that defending champ at home things. 1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:48.200 It's a weird it's a weird spot. 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:49.000 You've been there. 1:20:49.160 --> 1:20:51.200 It's a strange spot I have, and I've seen it. 1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:53.960 I've seen it even affect the Tom Brady Patriots once. 1:20:54.200 --> 1:20:54.400 Yeah. 1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:57.120 So I just think that it's a lot of times 1:20:57.160 --> 1:21:00.519 you're still kind of celebrating, you don't. You know, you 1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:03.080 spend the whole summer's name last year's in the past, 1:21:03.080 --> 1:21:05.240 and then you come out and you have this big ceremony, 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:07.600 your bann are raising and all the emotion of that. 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:11.080 How do you not think about last year the Seattle Seahawk. 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:11.960 Yeah, yeah, I know. 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:14.879 If I was in the reverse position and the Patriots 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:16.560 were getting ready to welcome a team they beaten the 1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:19.240 Super Bowl pretty handily, I think I'd. 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:20.880 Be concerned a little bit that this team's gonna come 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:23.000 in here with something really to prove. You know, we 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:23.880 better be ready to go. 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:27.040 We can't get But you're concerned about all of those things. 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:28.960 Always we're concerned about things. 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:32.160 But you know, I mean that's you know, Bill. 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:34.720 I remember they we saw some footage I forget from 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:36.720 one thing. It was a Bill talking about, you. 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:39.400 Know, the parties coming back and we're gonna have patches 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:42.240 on our shirts and all that stuff. Don't get carried 1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:45.320 away with what happened last year. And you know that 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:47.320 I think is a big hope. I also just say 1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:50.160 Sam Darnold, I thought he kind of was outstanding in that, 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:51.920 you know, he made every throw he needed to make. 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:53.800 There were a couple early on the Super Bowl. 1:21:53.920 --> 1:21:56.600 Yeah it was terrible, but just making the throws he 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:57.080 needed to make. 1:21:57.160 --> 1:21:58.040 Like he didn't kill them. 1:21:58.080 --> 1:21:59.960 You know, he didn't make the stupid mistake he tried. 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:04.160 You know, the Patriots couldnt come up, come up with 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:06.200 some of those picks. I think it's a much different game, 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:08.200 especially early on when they were you know, kind of 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:09.280 picking on Marcus Jones. 1:22:09.720 --> 1:22:11.960 They have a new offensive coordinator, and I think that 1:22:12.040 --> 1:22:14.880 that's not nothing, especially in a Week one game. And 1:22:15.160 --> 1:22:18.000 maybe Quinn Kobiak was a good coach and you know, 1:22:18.080 --> 1:22:20.760 now he's a coach of the Raiders and he's there. 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:22.639 They're changing o seas, They're going to keep the same 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:24.800 system and everything, but it's a new play caller and 1:22:25.680 --> 1:22:28.600 that might be the right time to play Seattle in 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:29.400 my mind. 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:33.679 Yeah, because like they I do think they have some changes. 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:37.439 You know, no more Kenneth Walker, No, their offensive coordinator changed. 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:40.519 It might take that offense a couple of weeks to 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:42.960 figure out what this version of it is going to 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:45.960 look like. You know, Walker bouncing out the edge like 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:50.479 Zach Sharbonay and Jaden Prince is. That's not that that 1:22:50.800 --> 1:22:53.000 might not be their game, you know, Like, I don't 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:54.800 know if they're going to have that same juice that 1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:57.400 Kenneth Walker had to get the edge. So I think 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:59.680 if you're going to get Seattle, i'd much rather get 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:01.759 him in week one and get them when they're rolling. 1:23:01.880 --> 1:23:04.160 Well, I could just say, when the Patriots win the game, 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:06.240 I promise I won't downplay the win. 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:08.479 Just so I don't know. 1:23:08.720 --> 1:23:11.720 I don't about that, and I don't think anybody was 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:14.200 concerned about that in any way, shape or form. I 1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:16.840 don't think you'll be down playing the preseason victory over 1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:18.759 the Colts and joint practices. 1:23:19.000 --> 1:23:19.920 Do you think they'll win that one? 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:22.439 I think they'll probably have an edge. Well, according to 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:24.559 this show, I think I don't have to see the practice. 1:23:24.560 --> 1:23:27.400 I'm pretty sure there's going to be an edge dot 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:28.360 Com today, fred I. I. 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:32.640 One of my favorite things about training camp is our 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:35.720 friend Bradley and our great video team comes up to 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:39.080 me after every practice and ask did we win? And 1:23:39.240 --> 1:23:41.559 sometimes it's Patriots versus Patriots and he. 1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:42.479 Asks me anyway. 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:45.479 So my answer has always had a Drake may practice 1:23:45.520 --> 1:23:47.800 and Drake may practice, well, then we won. 1:23:47.960 --> 1:23:50.519 Well, listen, there are the extremes. And two years ago 1:23:50.600 --> 1:23:52.919 we saw it when the Eagles came for a joint practice. 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:55.960 There was no doubt who won. That that's true, you know, 1:23:56.160 --> 1:23:59.080 So you can you can clearly win or lose a 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:01.000 joint practice and we've seen both. 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:04.920 Miil Williams saw one from up close and he remembered it. 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:08.800 Yeah, but that's gonna be a great, great few days 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:10.599 if you're able to come off for those that's yeah. 1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:12.920 Those joint practices are as good as it gets. 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:16.240 So we're gonna get ready to wrap up here here 1:24:16.280 --> 1:24:18.880 at training camp. Just a reminder if you're in the area, 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:22.439 there's no better take. It's free, free parking. You're not 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:24.519 gonna be able to get closer to a pro sports 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:29.160 team than NFL training camp. So you go to Patriots 1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:32.080 dot you go to Patriots dot com and you'll see 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:35.000 the schedule of all the open practices that the public 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:36.800 can come to check it out. 1:24:37.520 --> 1:24:38.879 They'll be out in the field tomorrow. 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:41.640 We'll be back in the studio on Tuesday with our 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:45.760 regularly scheduled one o'clock Patriots Unfiltered. But on Thursday of 1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:49.360 next week is the first day of PADS, so we'll 1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:53.160 be live here again for the Thursday practice when they 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:54.120 go back to pads. 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:56.839 Gay Bacchus is a Patriot. 1:24:57.080 --> 1:24:58.400 That's kind of the news of the day. 1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:01.040 Absolutely the best news, bestinas of the day. 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:06.320 All right, for Paul Evan, Deuce myself, thank you for watching. 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:11.400 Hey this is Deuce. 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