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Speaker 1: The need at wide receiver. Welcome bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvicy joins me, if it's not the biggest need,

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Speaker 1: it's a close second wide receiver, a true number one,

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Speaker 1: or at worst someone who can be paired with Michael Wilson.

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Speaker 1: The wide receiver talk is getting louder, one because of

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Speaker 1: who reportedly was in town for visits this week, and

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Speaker 1: two the reported blockbuster trade that went down Wednesday. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven one, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Buda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at a ten half of five. He's it again

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Speaker 1: some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Creolo.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get to this Stefan Diggs trade here in

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Speaker 1: a moment, because I do think this may affect the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals both directly and indirectly, especially Paul, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to something you've been talking about, and that is, how

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Speaker 1: does Monty Austin fort value the wide receiver position, because

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Speaker 1: they do think teams now have two extremes on how

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Speaker 1: they view that position. But we'll get to that in

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Speaker 1: a moment. First things first, the final four is this

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Speaker 1: weekend in our building, does our credential get us access

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Speaker 1: Saturday or Monday?

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Speaker 3: That's right? If I walk in with my sideline pass,

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Speaker 3: that should get me right court side, right pretty dang close,

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Speaker 3: right when. That ticket right now is probably going for

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Speaker 3: about five g's based on what I've heard in terms

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Speaker 3: of the market value. So you know what my buddy

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Speaker 3: in Indiana lives outside Indianapolis, who texted me earlier this morning,

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Speaker 3: a I'm looking for one for Purdue. Oh absolutely not, Sorry, John, Sorry,

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Speaker 3: absolutely not. You know, just telling you right now not

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Speaker 3: gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Can just like drive down the ramp fields, not in

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know what, I think I left

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Speaker 1: something in the locker room right week eighteen? Can I

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Speaker 1: go check real fast.

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Speaker 3: What I'll do is I'll show up and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: have a hard hat and I'm gonna have a work

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Speaker 3: belt on. I'm say I'm here to work on the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals casitas that are under construction to go and then boom,

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Speaker 3: I'll just watch from the cheap seats over there. That'd

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Speaker 3: be good. That's not a bad idea'll be That's a good plan.

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Speaker 1: By the way, seven years ago today, that State Farm

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Speaker 1: Stadium first hosted the men's basketball National Championship game North

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Speaker 3: Do you know since it opened in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 3: I've been there for every single Cardinals game. And I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to think other than no, actually I was working

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Speaker 3: that festival. I've never actually attended a sporting event where

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Speaker 3: I could go up and buy a beer. I've never

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Speaker 3: actually been a fan in the building. I've worked every

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Speaker 3: the local media. So one of these days, just one

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Speaker 1: I think I've been a fan once Fiesta Bowl Oregon

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Speaker 1: So yeah, not many fan events in that building.

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Speaker 3: You know what concerts? You're right? Two three years ago

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Speaker 1: That might say something about hello, my colleague here, Paul Calvicy.

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Speaker 1: The reason I bring it up is because Purdue and

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Speaker 1: according to reports, Paul cornerback Terry and Arnold offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: JC Latham both visited the Cardinals on Tuesday. Arnold arguably

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Speaker 3: So Daniel Jeremiah earlier today put out his updated top

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Speaker 3: Number one is Caleb Williams. Number two is Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 3: In fact, you have receivers two, three and four, Roma

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Speaker 3: nine is tearing on Arnold. Interesting, Okay, I thought maybe

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Speaker 3: How often do you hear that You always hear corner, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Probably also the film, the quality of competition you face

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Speaker 1: That's why the Senior Bowl was so big for Mitchell.

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Speaker 1: not one of the top two or three potential offensive

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Speaker 1: I am not of the opinion, and if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll tell me, Paul. Even though you selected

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Speaker 1: two years, I do not think that takes a tackle

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Speaker 3: I mean, daydream for just a minute, what if the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Week one went with an offensive line left or

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Speaker 3: his NFL dot Com Scott report is bulldozer with elite

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Speaker 3: drive blocking ability. He's they talk about his torque. That's

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, they use the maller word in there

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Speaker 3: multiple times. And it's not the first time we've seen

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Speaker 3: JC Latham attached to the Cardinals. I think there is

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Speaker 3: significant interest in the Bama right tackle.

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Speaker 1: Something to pay attention to. And again, according to reports,

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Speaker 1: not a big deal, Yes, Cardinals. Every other team doing

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Speaker 1: it says how a team values you, maybe even more

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Speaker 3: I think it also says the Cardinals don't ultimately know

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Speaker 3: Are you going to bundle up twenty seven with another

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Speaker 3: So there's so many different scenarios. Who's willing to pay?

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Speaker 3: If you have at least four teams interested in moving

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Speaker 3: what are they willing to pay? Certainly more than you

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Speaker 1: And keep in mind that when you're having this Top

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Speaker 1: And now, if you're the Cardinals, are you not scared?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Buffalo is definitely on the radar if you're the

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Speaker 3: The Cardinals have three dire needs right now, wide receiver one,

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Speaker 3: definitely see that as an ideal game plan for Mantias

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Speaker 3: I could most definitely see them going edge with that

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Speaker 1: We'll just go back to something we discussed earlier this

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Speaker 1: week Lanzerline's latest mock draft three point zero. As far

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Speaker 3: will be an offer he can't refuse. I think he

433
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Speaker 3: will trade down, trade out at number four, and whether

434
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Speaker 3: he goes down to six and still gets one of

435
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Speaker 3: the three big receivers or just gets another pick or two,

436
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Speaker 3: the quarterback surcharge right the quarterback kicker, because guess what

437
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Speaker 3: you'd love to come away round one with a corner,

438
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Speaker 3: an edge player, and either an offense well receiver. Absolutely,

439
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Speaker 3: and then if you can go after one of the

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Speaker 3: offensive tackles a top with pick number thirty five, a

441
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Speaker 3: top round two, a guy who could theoretically play guard man,

442
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Speaker 3: that would be an absolute home run. And it's hard

443
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Speaker 3: not to notice that seven offensive tackles are in Daniel

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah's top twenty three. Think about that. That's how loaded

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Speaker 3: that position group is, so all right, what does that mean?

446
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Speaker 3: Is there going to be a run on those guys?

447
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: Because somebody brought this up, and you know what, I

448
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Speaker 3: think this was in astute observation. Sometimes when a position

449
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Speaker 3: group is so loaded, teams will go after other position

450
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Speaker 3: groups early because they're supplied later, and then all of

451
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Speaker 3: a sudden there's a run late Round one, top a

452
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Speaker 3: Round two Cardinals sitting there at twenty seven and thirty five.

453
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's where they get the receiver and or the

454
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Speaker 3: offensive tackle because a lot of teams will wait and

455
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of supply. You figure, you know what,

456
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Speaker 3: there's gonna be a guy, a receiver or a tackle

457
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Speaker 3: at twenty seven and thirty five. Just be patient.

458
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Speaker 1: Once that first tackle goes off the board, and then

459
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Speaker 1: a second, then teams start worrying. It was like, wait

460
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Speaker 1: a second. Now, teams are focusing on that position that

461
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Speaker 1: has a lot of depth, and we thought maybe we

462
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Speaker 1: could wait. Do we need to force the issue and

463
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Speaker 1: get the guy now as opposed to waiting, And that's

464
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Speaker 1: another game that general managers play. Not sure how many

465
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Speaker 1: saw it. I'm sure many did because it was making

466
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Speaker 1: the rounds once again. Not sure why, but the draft

467
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Speaker 1: room video of Manti Austin Fort working the phones with

468
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Speaker 1: JG and Michael Bidwell sitting in awe literally then now

469
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Speaker 1: is open smiling. That video resurfaced on social media on Tuesday,

470
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Speaker 1: and it does beg the question. We've been talking about

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Speaker 1: the trade down, haven't really talked much about the trade

472
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Speaker 1: back up. Might we see a repeat performance from Monni

473
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Speaker 1: Hall going from four to eleven back up to seven,

474
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Speaker 1: eight or nine. It wouldn't be the first time. It

475
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Speaker 1: does take more work, and I think that's where the

476
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Speaker 1: work is being done now to where you can be MONI,

477
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Speaker 1: when you're on the clock ten minutes to go, and

478
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Speaker 1: you can seem so calm and have those conversations with ease,

479
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: whether on the phone, your front office staff didn't seem rushed,

480
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Speaker 1: no panic whatsoever. How much time I got a six

481
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Speaker 1: minutes money, Okay, let's take a look at this again.

482
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there even watching it after the fact, even

483
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Speaker 1: a year later, you're like, what do you do and

484
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Speaker 1: make a decision? The time is running down. I'm okay, guys, relax,

485
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Speaker 1: I've got it covered. Well.

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Speaker 3: You said it, Craig at resurfaced. Well we know why,

487
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Speaker 3: because good content is king right. A good movie never

488
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Speaker 3: gets old. You're gonna watch it infinite number of times

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Speaker 3: on read So you know what, that's great video. It's

490
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Speaker 3: all access, it's behind the scenes. It's where everyone wants

491
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Speaker 3: to be in an NFL warroom. It's where we'll never

492
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Speaker 3: be in an NFL warroom. So boom that video reservices

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Speaker 3: and you watch the Maestro. Although I like your nickname.

494
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Speaker 3: I forgot about that one. Monty Hall Haul and Michael

495
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Speaker 3: Bidwill team owner I think described it perfectly when he said, yeah,

496
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Speaker 3: MONI had a bunch of spinning plates going, got a

497
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Speaker 3: bunch of different things in the opper simultaneously in real time.

498
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Speaker 3: But remember at number three overall, what did Monni have.

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Speaker 3: He had Will Anderson Junior as the default. What does

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Speaker 3: Moni have at number four this year? Theoretically he has

501
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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior as the default. So if things get

502
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Speaker 3: squirrely and or off, teams try and pull a fast

503
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Speaker 3: one and not give you what you were expecting or

504
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Speaker 3: they're not giving you what you're demanding in the moment. Ah,

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Speaker 3: that's all right, you know what I'm gonna go after

506
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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. Thanks, but no thanks Sean Payton, See

507
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Speaker 3: you later, La Las Vegas Raiders, See you later, Minnesota Vikings. No,

508
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: you're not getting Drake May. You're not getting JJ McCarthy here. Sorry.

509
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 3: You can go ahead and call Jim Harbaugh and try

510
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: and deal with him.

511
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Speaker 1: So, by the way, full disclosure, I believe it was

512
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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim Almahunter who came up with that

513
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Speaker 1: Monte hall nickname a year ago, so all credit to

514
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Speaker 1: Omo and just watching that video again, you kind of

515
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Speaker 1: forget what was the trade packages moving down from three

516
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Speaker 1: to twelve because it's not much different from going from

517
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Speaker 1: four to eleven. Yep, although the difference between last year

518
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Speaker 1: and this year. Last year there were two quarterbacks at

519
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Speaker 1: the top. This year we think there are four, although

520
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Michael Penni's junior now all of a sudden, visiting with

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Speaker 1: the Raiders who are sitting there at number twelve, is

522
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: he making a move up the board? Are there more

523
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in line to be hearing their name earlier in

524
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Speaker 1: the draft than a year ago when it was just

525
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Speaker 1: two names. So the Cardinals go from three to twelve

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Speaker 1: and get a second round which was thirty third overall,

527
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Speaker 1: plus a future first and a future third from the Texans.

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Speaker 1: We all been talking about the Cardinals going from four

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Speaker 1: to eleven or twelve for multiple first round picks with

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Speaker 1: the Vikings it's a swap and then twenty three in

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Speaker 1: addition to potentially a twenty five or a twenty six.

532
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Speaker 1: Are we asking or are we expecting too much in

533
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Speaker 1: a trade down? Whereas the package from a year ago

534
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Speaker 1: was considerably less than what we're talking about in a

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Speaker 1: move with the Vikings. But is that because it's to

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Speaker 1: your point, it's Will Anderson versus J. J. McCarthy, Drake May,

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennix. It's position player versus quarterback who might be

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Speaker 1: on board.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And that's one of three reasons why it is

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Speaker 3: more this year. The QB surcharge the QB kicker. As

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Speaker 3: we said, I mean, what is a franchise QB worth

542
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Speaker 3: to your franchise? No quarterback?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: So guess what next year's draft, if you haven't looked,

545
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Speaker 3: by the way, is bereft of any real good quarterback prospects.

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Speaker 3: So that also heightens the urgency and raises the price

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Speaker 3: tag on getting a quarterback this year. Number two. Just

548
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: see what happened last year. Cardinals went ahead and they

549
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Speaker 3: traded with Houston, and all of a sudden they took

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Speaker 3: a massive leap forward. So the Cardinals are taking a

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Speaker 3: risk if you trade out at number four, where exactly

552
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: is your first round pick in a land if this

553
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Speaker 3: quarterback is a guy you think he is and he

554
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Speaker 3: can elevate your team. Look at the Raiders, for example,

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Speaker 3: do you know what after Antonio Pierce took over in

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Speaker 3: Week nine, they had the number one scoring defense the

557
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Speaker 3: rest of the season. Give them a viable quarterback, look

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Speaker 3: out right? And so look in Minnesota two years ago

559
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Speaker 3: they won eleven or twelve games, or maybe it was

560
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Speaker 3: thirteen games. They won eleven to zero one score games

561
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Speaker 3: just two years ago. Give them a quarterback. After the

562
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Speaker 3: lost Kirk Cousins midway through last year, what happens to

563
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Speaker 3: the Vikings? So the Cardinals are taking the risk they

564
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Speaker 3: could end up with a low first round pick next year,

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Speaker 3: just like what happened this year with Houston when CJ.

566
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Speaker 3: Stroud and Tamiko Ryans defied all the doubters and defied

567
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Speaker 3: NFL history really as a rookie head coach and a

568
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Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. And then number three is just inflation, Craig,

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Speaker 3: have you seen what your bills are these days? How

570
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Speaker 3: much Moria Kaine, whether it's at the grocery store for

571
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Speaker 3: your car and home insurance? Right, everything has gone up.

572
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Speaker 3: So guess what rest of the NFL. If you want

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Speaker 3: number four, your price has gone up here in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four as well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of inflation, are we inflating some of these quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: Because I keep hearing. I believe it was Daniel Jeremiah

577
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Speaker 1: who first mentioned it that next year's quarterback draft class

578
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Speaker 1: is not nearly as good as this year's. Well, flashback

579
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Speaker 1: a year ago. How many of us had JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: in the conversation of being a top five pick. Is

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Speaker 1: there someone Joe Burrow when he won, you know, the

582
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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy and the national championship at LSU, he was

583
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Speaker 1: on No. One's radar of the year before. Is there

584
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Speaker 1: a quarterback in twenty twenty fours college season that, all

585
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're talking about in twenty twenty five,

586
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Speaker 1: and well, maybe those teams will take advantage and be

587
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Speaker 1: beneficial to waiting till next season. I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I haven't looked that deep into the twenty twenty five

589
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: draft class. But there's always players who come out of

590
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Speaker 1: nowhere and all of a sudden, it's like, oh, this

591
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: draft class is deep compared to last year. Wait a second,

592
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Speaker 1: We've got five guys now that might hear their name

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Speaker 1: called in the first ten picks. Now you're telling me

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Speaker 1: that there are more for next year. I think we're

595
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Speaker 1: prisoners in the moment sometimes about this and again it

596
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: goes back to well, the season ends in January, late

597
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Speaker 1: February for some, and we've got months to talk about

598
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Speaker 1: the draft, And what are we gonna talk about while

599
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about speculation, moving up, moving down, and

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Speaker 1: all these draft prospects, they're all gonna hit, they're all

601
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Speaker 1: gonna be all pros, they're all gonna be future Hall

602
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Speaker 1: of famers. It just doesn't happen that way when you

603
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Speaker 1: look back four or five years later.

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Speaker 3: So NFL dot Com put out a question and it

605
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: went like this, will the first four picks in the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four NFL Draft be quarterbacks for the first

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Speaker 3: time in league history? My opinion, yes, a definitive yes,

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Speaker 3: and I think a lot of it Craig, And look,

609
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: history says at least one, if not two, of those

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Speaker 3: four quarterbacks will be bus. There will be a Zach Wilson,

611
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Speaker 3: There'll be a Trey Lance, will be a Blake Bordoles

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Speaker 3: fill in the blank. Here's the thing. If you're the

613
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Speaker 3: Denver Broncos, can you go into next season sell next

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Speaker 3: season to your fans? If you have Jared Stidham as

615
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Speaker 3: your starter. If you're the Minnesota Vikings, can you really

616
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Speaker 3: tell your fans who actually had Super Bowl expectations this

617
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: time a year ago, coming off that playoff run that

618
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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold is going to lead you to the promised Land.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like you're cashing in the season before it

620
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Speaker 3: ever starts. So by taking a quarterback, in some ways,

621
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Speaker 3: it's a business decision for these teams in that you're

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Speaker 3: selling the hope in the prospect. There are a lot

623
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Speaker 3: of fans who are waiting to see what their team

624
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Speaker 3: does because once again, no quarterback, no chance. And then

625
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: when you hear the Giants for one and ownership signing

626
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: off John Maritel in the media during the breakfast media

627
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Speaker 3: sessions or the NFL league meetings that he has given

628
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Speaker 3: his blessing to team leadership to go after a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 3: you realize, okay, there are some teams that are sick

630
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Speaker 3: and tired of looking at their own quarterback situation, and

631
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Speaker 3: the clock is ticking for a lot of these owners,

632
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Speaker 3: advanced in age, they want something to happen yesterday. Hence

633
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Speaker 3: that's why I truly believe once again that Manasapford is

634
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Speaker 3: in the pivot seed of this draft.

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe why the Atlanta Falcons and Arthur Blank went

636
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Speaker 1: after Kirk Cousins as hard as they did. Another article

637
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Speaker 1: up on NFL dot com which team most needs to

638
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: trade up in Round one? The Broncos a popular choice because,

639
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned it, Paul, the quarterback situation. Jeffrey Chadea wrote,

640
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Speaker 1: the Broncos have arguably the worst quarterback situation in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Acquiring one of the top four quarterbacks gives the team

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Speaker 1: direction and its fans something to believe in. The Raiders

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Speaker 1: another popular choice. Vikings and Giants mentioned as well, because

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Speaker 1: you've got Jared Stidham in Denver, you got Aidan O'Connell

645
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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Sam Darnold in Minnesota, and Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: in New York. Either those names just don't move the

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Speaker 1: meter for fans and for owners. Now for general managers

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Speaker 1: and everyone else like that different story. But is there

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Speaker 1: going to be a team that the owner says this

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Speaker 1: is what I want versus what a general manager thinks

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Speaker 1: is best? Long term?

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Speaker 3: It's the old adage, you know what, we believe what

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Speaker 3: we see more than what we hear out of the

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Speaker 3: mouths of these NFL decision makers. For example, the Giants

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Speaker 3: showed up in mass for the Drake May Pro Day. Really,

656
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Speaker 3: why is that the Giants sent out their head coach,

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Speaker 3: their GM and their offensive coordinator to Seattle for the

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix Pro Day. Interesting The Denver Broncos, after the

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Speaker 3: pro day at Michigan for JJ McCarthy, held their own

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Speaker 3: private workout the next day. For JJ McCarthy, Sean Paytn

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Speaker 3: was all too happy to talk about at the breakfast

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Speaker 3: meeting where he said, we sent JJ a bunch of information,

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Speaker 3: spent four or five hours with him, made him throw

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Speaker 3: all over again. So and then when he says, when asked,

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Speaker 3: is it realistic, Sean Payne, you could truly trade up

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Speaker 3: from twelve and get that franchise quarterback. And he immediately

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Speaker 3: answers yes, and then follows with the now famous quote,

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Speaker 3: It's good to be Mani ausen Fort. It's in play.

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Speaker 3: It's most definitely in play. Will the trigger be pulled

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Speaker 3: sometime before Draft Day? Probably not, probably not even until

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals are on the clock. But there's no doubt

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Speaker 3: in my opinion that Mani has Minnesota, Denver, the Raiders,

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Speaker 3: and the Giants right now on four different phone lines,

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Speaker 3: and he's trying to leverage all of them against each other.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Draft Knight, Manti Austin Fort will come down

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Speaker 1: and say, I don't know what you guys are thinking.

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Speaker 1: We were not going to do anything. We were staying

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Speaker 1: and picking and Marvin Harrison Junior is our guy. Have

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Speaker 1: you looked at our wide receiver room. We think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be outstanding. Kyler Murray and MHJ they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: key for years to come. I think that's a possibility

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Speaker 1: that that could happen, could be and that brings us

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Speaker 1: full circle as far as the trade of Stefan Diggs

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Speaker 1: to the Texans, because indirectly, I think this might say

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Speaker 1: something on where certain teams view the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to a second or third contract wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: you need to get them young, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: based off of Tyreek Hill Stefan Diggs. Now, those wide

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Speaker 1: receivers that are getting paid, are they worth the money

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Speaker 1: considering the production? Yes, they're producing, but are they getting

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Speaker 1: the teams to where they want to be? Deep playoff runs.

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams one championship game appearance, Stefon Diggs one championship

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Speaker 1: game appearance with Buffalo, many Super Bowls, none Mike Evans

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Speaker 1: to my recollection. Really the veteran receiver with Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: to get that Super Bowl ring after a lengthy career,

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Speaker 1: this is nothing to you know, Cooper Cup's still young

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Speaker 1: with the Rams. But those veteran wide receivers who command

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Speaker 1: high dollars that second or third contract. They're producing Diggs,

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Speaker 1: four time Pro bowler all four season with the Bills,

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Speaker 1: but are they uplifting everyone else on their team? And

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure the wide receiver position for those guys

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Speaker 1: that are twenty seven to twenty eight, twenty nine, they're

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Speaker 1: going to see that money come down considerably, especially if

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Speaker 1: the Bills in twenty twenty five advance and play well

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Speaker 1: and are moving the ball up and down the field,

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Speaker 1: and they do it without their number one playmaker.

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Speaker 3: It's a good point. It's well said. It's such a

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Speaker 3: dependent position, right, If you don't have the quarterback, your

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Speaker 3: receiver's not gonna eat. If they can't protect that quarterback,

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Speaker 3: there's not enough time to get you receiver of the ball.

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Speaker 3: So and now we've seen quarterbacks prove hey, just give

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Speaker 3: me a set of average receivers. If you give me

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Speaker 3: a run game and you give me an offensive line,

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Speaker 3: I'll make it viable, I'll make it feasible. We saw

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Speaker 3: kurr Wonner do that at different times. Even for the

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Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals. The key was solidifying that offensive line. And

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Speaker 3: so all right, here you go. You have this whole

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Speaker 3: list of seemingly twenty legitimate day one or Day two receivers, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, in the top three rounds, there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: probably twenty receivers taken. Maybe a Baker's doesn't. But if

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Speaker 3: you can get one of those guys, whereas opposed to

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Speaker 3: like the other group that I thought just got stupid

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Speaker 3: money and free agency, were the edge rushers. How many

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Speaker 3: edge rushers are in this draft? Supplying to man, where

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Speaker 3: are you going to get that edge rusher? That's why

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Speaker 3: I'm convinced the Cardinals that's gonna be the first position

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Speaker 3: they target if they trade out at number four. If

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Speaker 3: they trade out a number four, I think the first

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Speaker 3: position player they take will be an edge because where

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Speaker 3: else are you getting that guy where you're not paying

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Speaker 3: through the nose. The other thing about the Texans I

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Speaker 3: forgot about. You brought it up before we cracked the mics.

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Speaker 3: Deneil Hunter is going to Houston Oh my goodness. So

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Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs a hated. They have Nico Collins, they have

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Speaker 3: Tank Deel. They added Joe Mixon, who's a dude at

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Speaker 3: running back. That offensive line is good enough. They've tried

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Speaker 3: to bolster that. I guess I'm imagining they target that

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Speaker 3: in the draft because it's very deep in offensive line.

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Speaker 3: And now they fortify their front. And then you saw

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Speaker 3: what Derek Stingley Junior was like as a corner the

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Speaker 3: second half of last season, once he got totally healthy

742
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Speaker 3: and he got some reps in the NFL. That is

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Speaker 3: a scary team on the up trajectory, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And they can do it because they hit on their quarterback,

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Speaker 1: the most important position. CJ. Stroud showed them in year one,

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Speaker 1: we've got our guy. And if you got your guy,

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Speaker 1: then you can do what the Texans did earlier on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and then worry about it down the road. But

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Speaker 1: if you do make that decision, then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you better hit and you better have success. The Bills

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Speaker 1: four years ago acquiring Stefan Diggs absolutely great move in hindsight,

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Speaker 1: Maybe not because you didn't get that Super Bowl ring,

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Speaker 1: let alone a Super Bowl appearance with the number one

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Again, it's the veteran wide receivers that I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about, not the young guys. You need those wide

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Speaker 1: receivers that first contract, and I think wide receiver, edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: those positions that cost you later on, you find them

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Speaker 1: in the draft, then all of a sudden, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about it later on and you can

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Speaker 1: build around with other positions with that money that you're

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Speaker 1: not paying to the wide receiver or edge position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right, Nick Cassario, the GM who, by the way,

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Speaker 3: is very tight with Mani asin Fork going back to

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Speaker 3: the New England days. It's not a fluke that the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals swung a deal with Houston last year while on

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Speaker 3: the clock in the first round. So you look at

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Speaker 3: Houston and you just hope that is a blueprint for

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Speaker 3: the Big Red they You know, we talked about the

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Speaker 3: Honol Lulu blue print right Detroit and what the Lions did,

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Speaker 3: and they fortified the offense. The Lions shunned the receiver

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Speaker 3: spot early and went after Penny Sewel. The Lions built

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Speaker 3: that offensive line because even when they had Calvin Johnson,

773
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Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame receiver, What did it do for

774
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Speaker 3: their postseason fortunes? Absolutely nothing. So once again I'm preparing

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Speaker 3: myself for that same sort of mentality, a mix of

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Speaker 3: what the Lions did and then combined with what the

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Speaker 3: Texans did. The big difference to your point is they

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Speaker 3: have a quarterback on a rookie contract, so they can

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Speaker 3: go out. They can pay through the nose for a

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Speaker 3: denial hunter off the edge. They can go out and

781
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Speaker 3: pay big money nineteen million plus to Stefan Digs to

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Speaker 3: be your number one receiver. They can go out and

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Speaker 3: they can pay big money to the running back position

784
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Speaker 3: and Joe Mixon because they have the rookie quarterback. But

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Speaker 3: kudos to them for being aggressive realizing, oh boy, we

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Speaker 3: got to do it at quarterback and CJ. Stroud he

787
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Speaker 3: was a Pro bowler in year one only five interceptions,

788
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Speaker 3: how ridiculous. Led the NFL also in yards passing per game.

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Speaker 3: All right, guess what, We're all in effective immediately because

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Speaker 3: we saw enough from our rookie quarterback and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: go for it while he's on that rookie contract. That's

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Speaker 3: smart football.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the Cardinals did it not that long ago. DeAndre

794
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Speaker 1: Hopkins yep, acquiring that major playmaker that was going to

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Speaker 1: send this team into a deep playoff run. Again hindsight

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Speaker 1: didn't work. But you had a quarterback under a rookie contract.

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Speaker 1: You had Chandler Jones as your head rusher under contract

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Speaker 1: who was bawling out. So everything brought in JJ Watt.

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Speaker 1: Everything fits then, but it didn't pay off. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I think the Texans are doing. You hope that

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Speaker 1: it works, it makes sense, But in five years from

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Speaker 1: now you're gonna look back and hopefully if you had

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Speaker 1: that Lombardi Trophy success. If you don't, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: now we're back to square one, and now you've got CJ.

805
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Speaker 1: Stroud making a lot of money, and now you need

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Speaker 1: to supplement around him with a lot of young talent.

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Speaker 3: You know, one of the low key great games next

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Speaker 3: year is when the Houston Texans visit the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be good theater, Houston going up to Jered

810
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Speaker 3: World into Metro Dallas and you know what here and

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Speaker 3: if the Texans go up there, whoop up on some

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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys? Right head gummet. All of a sudden, you

813
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Speaker 3: think about Cowboy Nation and Jerry Jones and what sort

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Speaker 3: of uproar that'll cause if they're not the king of

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Speaker 3: NFL football in Texas any longer. Because it doesn't take

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Speaker 3: a genius to see the Texans are on the upswing

817
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Speaker 3: and the Cowboys might be in decline and even looking

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Speaker 3: for a new quarterback this time next year, and that's

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Speaker 3: going to be prime time football to behold Houston going in,

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Speaker 3: not to mention Stefan Diggs potentially going against his brother

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Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs right receiver corner combo. So a lot of

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Speaker 3: good storylines in that one. I'm guessing that ends up

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Speaker 3: in a very prominent premier spot in the national TV lineup.

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Speaker 1: You also have the Bills facing the Texans this upcoming

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Speaker 1: season as well. That was quickly pointed out after this

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Speaker 1: trade earlier on Wednesday. Oh, by the way, the Texans

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Speaker 1: and Bills, Yeah, they faced one another this coming season.

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Speaker 1: So Cardinals don't have to worry about Diggs. They do wait, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't have to worry about Diggs. They do have

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Speaker 1: to worry about Josh Allen though, and Paul has to

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Speaker 1: worry about the weather. And hopefully when that schedule gets

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Speaker 1: released mid May that it's an early trip to the

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Speaker 1: East Coast and not November or December.

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Speaker 3: There's a top three of potential weather issues. There's Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: there's Green Bay. When are the Cardinals going to Lambeau?

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Speaker 3: And then there's Miami. You're going to Miami? And if

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Speaker 3: it isn't the humidity of September, it could be the

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Speaker 3: torrential driving rain they faced how many years ago? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think you might still be the rain that came

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Speaker 3: down in sheets at that last Dolphins game. And Pat

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Speaker 3: p just laughing on the sideline because you're like, I

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Speaker 3: grew up ten minutes from here. Of course, this is nothing.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, So, yeah, that's on the radar, those three games, Lambeau,

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Speaker 3: Buffalo and Miami.

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Speaker 1: What Paul has to worry about more recent, and that

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Speaker 1: is a dentist appointments coming up on Wednesday, blink right

847
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: as well, there's.

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Speaker 3: A dentist pointment later today. And then there's the root

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Speaker 3: canal that's known as tax season. We'll just better left that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we have to go revisit this at some point

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Speaker 1: in the next couple weeks twelve days and counting though, Paul,

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Speaker 1: for everyone that's keeping track of that date.

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Speaker 3: So once again, there'll be no disposable income to speak

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Speaker 3: of for any sort of Final Four tickets. Stop texting me.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lid on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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