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Speaker 1: the brilliant Joey. Hello, Joey, I thank you quite well.

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Speaker 1: It's all earned, all earned. We're so thrilled to have

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Speaker 1: sent us this message after our Spoiled Saturdays on the

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Speaker 1: me as their own. So this kind of storyline has

427
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: continued in her next solo series, which is called America.

428
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Shop is made in the USA. It's from and it

429
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: was written by Kalinda vas Kiss, And this is we

430
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: learned a little bit more about what happened to America

431
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: after she left the Utopian parallel. So the first place

432
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: she ends up is Earth six one six, where she

433
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: she lands in New York City and she is adopted

434
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: by the Santana family in New York City, where Puerto

435
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: Rican family in New York City, and she's kind of

436
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: raised by them. But then when she's a teenager, she

437
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: leaves home after an argument with her adoptive parents. She

438
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: wants to go out and keep being a vigilante and

439
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: using her powers, and they want her to keep it

440
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: a secret and kind of stay safe, trying to be

441
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: a normal teenager. So she leaves home. She ends up

442
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: kind of jumping around through again. This is what starts

443
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: her like jumping around through the multiverse and all these

444
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: different communities. This is also where we get the Red Coon,

445
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: which I'll go into really quick because again this is

446
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: the most recent federation of her character. In this series

447
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: The America made in the USA, America finds out that

448
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: she has a sister named Catalina, and she tells America

449
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: that her mom's were not actually from another dimension, they

450
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: were actually human scientists from Earth six one six. The

451
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: Utopian Parallel wasn't an alternate universe, but it was a

452
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: private island owned by a billionaire named Dr Gails, and

453
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: America's moms were scientists who were working to procure to

454
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: a disease called Edge syndrome, which their daughter America had,

455
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: So they were kind of bribed into like, come work

456
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: for us and will help you cure your daughter. And

457
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: then of course, you know, the billionaires up being evil

458
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: and tries to keep them trapped there, and America's moms

459
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, so they you know,

460
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: they end up getting killed by Dr Gals and America escapes,

461
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: Catalina's stuck on the island. Still this again, this was

462
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: the Marvel retcons a lot of stuff, and um, I

463
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: don't really know if they're going to stick with us,

464
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: because this also kind of busses up the whole like

465
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: is wiccan going to become this like DEMI good figure thing?

466
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: And then they also use the original story in the movies,

467
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: so we'll see. But as of right now, yeah, she

468
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: is from Earth six one sex again yeah yeah, yeah, well,

469
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: and and that's also what we're about to talk about.

470
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that confuses me as a

471
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: comic book reader is they do it's hard to keep track,

472
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: and so when they're doing the movies or the shows,

473
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: they pick and choose a lot of stuff that they

474
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: like which isn't necessarily like even connected in the same

475
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: canon before, Like they pick a part of this story

476
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: and a part of this story and put up this story.

477
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: So I get so confused. Oh yeah, it's I think

478
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting too, because I think they're trying to there's

479
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: been Okay, one thing I remember they did recently is

480
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: they wat the Maximov storylines, so they're as of now

481
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: not actually related to Magneto, which I think they did

482
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: because they wanted it to match up with the movie.

483
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: But then that takes back like fifty years of comic books.

484
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. Again, Like who's to say

485
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: we're they're going with this? Oh yeah, because the runner dude,

486
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: the brother is the son of Oh my god, there's

487
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: so many things happening. Why is this happening? I'm like, what,

488
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: because right, that's that's the thing is like he as

489
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: the Runner kid, I can out of name um about yeah,

490
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm doing and it doesn't have a twin.

491
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: So that was all levels of confusion. And then we

492
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: have that and the Avengers and another the Coming Together.

493
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Parallel Universiti explains everything, but it obviously doesn't.

494
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: I love the angry text I'll get from Samantha, Like

495
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: when One Division was coming out, I felt personally attached.

496
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: I'd get a text from her that's like, this doesn't

497
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: make any sense. It's him or is it not him?

498
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm not I'm not in control

499
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: of the content. Why didn't they do this? And why

500
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: are they still doing this? Tell you what I know,

501
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: but I can't tell you what they're doing. And then

502
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: when you tell me, it makes me more bad because

503
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: like that makes no sense. What is happening? Also because

504
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: in the movie now twins are there's no twins in

505
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: the six six They're gone, they don't exist, So how okay,

506
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: keep going whatever? I okay. My approach to reading comics,

507
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: which I'm sure people are going to disagree with this.

508
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: I at this point just like looking at the same

509
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: way I do as reading like fan fiction, where I'm like,

510
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: if I don't agree with something, I'm sure there's gonna

511
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: be another series where they're gonna like completely erase that

512
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: and turn it around and write the character totally different.

513
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: So I don't get a pay attention to this decision. Yes,

514
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: I do that too. My head cannon is excellent, and

515
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: I also Samantha knows I've had this rant. I am

516
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: of the firm belief that at this point any franchise

517
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: is fan fiction. It's people who that were fans and

518
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: are writing what they want to write. I guess what

519
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: I could do that too, So out of curiosity because

520
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: we know in the DC world YouTube they have had

521
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: long stating series like super Man and Batman come through

522
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: with so many variations. Because we had the series from

523
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: White back Wind. Even with Catwoman, I don't see that

524
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: much with Marvel. Did I miss that whole before? Like

525
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: the beginning of Iron Man. That's the the first one,

526
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: right um that was originally out? Was there another series?

527
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Was there are the other set of movies that I

528
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: missed that had these characters out there? They did Agents

529
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: of Shield. I think that's that was after Oh that's true. Yeah, okay,

530
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about before. I have a fun rabbit

531
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: hole for you. See, this is what happens. There's a

532
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: four movie you can find from the eighties. I forgot

533
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: about the Spider Man content um which Spider Man is

534
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: very interesting in ownership who owns it? But Spider Man

535
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: has been around quite a bit before that. But yeah,

536
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: not nuts, not to the same extent. And that's actually

537
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: a really fascinating story that is for not this podcast.

538
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: But it's kind of about like bankruptcy and stuff anyway, okay,

539
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: because that's what I was trying to figure out when

540
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking about d C. Batman has been around

541
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: since like the original series was what nineteen seventies, sixties

542
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, yeah, so, and then they've had variation

543
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: upon variation to the point that we're used to d

544
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: C doing these things to their characters and outside of

545
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: your right, Spider Man, I haven't really seen that happen,

546
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: and they're trying to interweave there was the whole whole

547
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: they just completely like that make side show Fantastic four,

548
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: there was a show. You're right. I think they maybe

549
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: that's the one. Okay, zany as much m okay, I can't.

550
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was a movie or a

551
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: TV series, but I did have to watch a little

552
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: bit of There was like a Captain America series that

553
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: was it's really funny. It was from like the seventies

554
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: that it's okay, it's terrible, but it's it's like it's

555
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: just terrible. I mean, I just really find it interesting

556
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: as why our DC just like we're just gonna start over,

557
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: scrap it to start over. Marvel has been like, well,

558
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: at least somehow incorporate with a side joke about it,

559
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: I guess, including like bringing back the Fantastic Four people.

560
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: Oh look, we're brought in this random character to be

561
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: a part of this because we're gonna talk about it soon.

562
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it, as well as bringing an X

563
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Men to Marvel there like, oh see, we're gonna but

564
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: like they can't just erase it. So therefore by the

565
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: red gun stuff, I guess I'm very confused all of

566
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, what is the future of these shows,

567
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: specifically America? So, at least in the comics, the next

568
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: thing Marvel had set for America is She's gonna make

569
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: an appearance in their Voices series, which is has already started.

570
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: They actually did a Young Avengers story with an it's

571
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like covering marginalized voices. In particular,

572
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: they did one about a couple of I was actually

573
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: about Tommy Shepard, who's Wanda's other son. He has superspeed

574
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: like Quicksilver. He's also bisexual, and his boyfriend is also

575
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: a Young Avenger. They did a mini comic about them

576
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: for this series that was super cute. Would recommend it.

577
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, America is set to make an appearance in

578
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: the series alongside Loki uh who again she has a

579
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: long time sort of rivalry slash tentative allyship with a

580
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Young Avengers. So I'm definitely interested to see where they

581
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: go with that. I would love to see America and

582
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: Loki interact in the MCU. We'll see what happens with that. Yes, yeah,

583
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: there's kid Loki die in the let Loki series. I

584
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: don't think so comics because that's another story too. When

585
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the actual series, because I know Lokey

586
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: supposed to come back. I just didn't know if there

587
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: was an open stance to have Kid Loki being a

588
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: bigger part as like an opening for that. But did

589
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: kid Loki die? I don't think he does. I think

590
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: he's still I don't think he died, but they didn't.

591
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: They kind of like jettison all of those characters stories.

592
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: They were like, well, we don't know what happened to them. Okay, later,

593
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: just check it, because that's one of the few that

594
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I know where he came from in

595
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: the in the TV series, which is a complete, I know,

596
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: different conversation, but I'm like, he exists, exists, Bishop exists. Yeah,

597
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: I know that the young aunt All will be, but

598
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: there's like, that's just I just read about her, and

599
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: of course she exists, but not as a superhero quite yet. Yeah.

600
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: I definitely think kind of what you're saying before about

601
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: like they're I think they're testing a bunch of things now,

602
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: and I think they know this has been one of

603
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: my issues with Obviously it's great the Marvel at least

604
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: is taking some steps forward and including queer characters. I

605
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: don't think they're really committing to like, like, yes, they

606
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: introduced Billy and Tommy as children, and then they introduced

607
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: America and they she wears like a rainbow pin in

608
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: the in the in the movie, which I was surprised.

609
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised that they like even mentioned or

610
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: like made a reference to the fact that she's not straight,

611
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, they're not bringing up the fact that

612
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: she's a lesbian. Surely she has two moms, but yeah,

613
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: they're not talking about that at all, So we'll see.

614
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I think they're like kind of bringing out these character

615
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: because I know, like it'll make people start talking about like, oh, yeah,

616
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: we're including more queer stories, but then they're not actually

617
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: putting in the queer story part of it right right,

618
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: It does seem like they're mentioning things just to get

619
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: credit for it, kind of like how uh, in the

620
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: Last Avengers they had the all women team up and

621
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: it is a part of the story and that they

622
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: do exist in the comics, and I did see people

623
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: like tweet to write about it, but the way they

624
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: did it was so hokey that it seemed out of place,

625
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: even though it can be references and this is uh,

626
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, canon. However, they did it in such a

627
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: bad taste and so overly like paraded that it became

628
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: almost token toyes to be like, se we like women

629
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: here you go type of the thing, and it seems

630
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: like that's what they do with all of those levels

631
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: of like you have these opportunities to do this, but

632
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: you're not executing it very well. And I'm trying to

633
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: figure out if it's because you refused to have those

634
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: people who at connect with that, whether it's queer people,

635
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: women in the riding room, so therefore it just becomes

636
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: hokey and sure, yeah, completely glazed over or cut completely out. Yeah, Okay,

637
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Speaker 1: I saw have been seeing the New Thorn movie. I

638
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: know I need to do that, but I that that's

639
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: another one. I've heard like mixed things about how they handle,

640
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Speaker 1: Like I haven't seen it yet, so I'm not gonna

641
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: say anything, but I know they have not they haven't

642
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: a weird track record. Yeah, yeah, and that's the thing.

643
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: It's like, Um, I know we talked about it in

644
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Speaker 1: our Spoiled Saturday's episode on Multiversamandness, but I'd love like

645
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Speaker 1: your quick opinion on it because listening to you go

646
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: into detail of this character, it's like, like Samantha said,

647
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: it feels so kind of watered down and she was

648
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: such a like as I feel often is the case

649
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: with women in the in the m CU, is there

650
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: the secondary character and very expendable. I guess yeah, but

651
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: they're kind of just propping up like these male characters

652
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: that have been there of for siure Yeah, I think again,

653
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: I think you guys did a really good job of

654
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: like breaking down a lot of my issues with Wanda

655
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: and that movie. So that is a baseline with America.

656
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: I think I I have I have a tendency now

657
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: to go into Marvel movies with super low expectations, and

658
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: I think with this one, I again, like I was

659
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised to see like, oh, they actually brought up

660
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: the fact that she has two moms. They had her

661
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: wear a rainbow pin, like what which I saw it

662
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: with you know one of my friends who has no

663
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: context for any of this, since she like as soon

664
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Speaker 1: as she came out screen, she was like wait a minute,

665
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Speaker 1: and she gay like what like which I don't know.

666
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: I mean again, like, I guess they did a little

667
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Speaker 1: bit that, but at the same time, it was like,

668
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's two you did the bar

669
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: minimum and then yeah, and then that aside, Like I

670
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: think the actress was fantastic. I think she was. You know,

671
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: she did a really good job of portraying the character.

672
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: It was a little bit weird to see her story

673
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: framed as like a tool for Doctor Strange's story more

674
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Speaker 1: because first of all, they don't interact on the comics,

675
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: which obviously, like that doesn't really matter, Marble, it can

676
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: do whatever with their movies. I don't expect them to

677
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: stick to the comics. But one of the things I

678
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: think this is something I keep saying that I think

679
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: annoys me about a lot of their newer female characters

680
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: they're including, because I saw the same thing with Kate Bishop.

681
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: America Chavez is a character who is shaped by a

682
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: lot of the women in her life and a lot

683
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: of the older women. A lot of people are women

684
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: of color. Those are the kind of characters that inspire

685
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: her to become who she is. She's really inspired by

686
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: her mom's She's really inspired by characters like Carol Danvers

687
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: and Mono Crambo and you know, even keep Bishop like

688
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: they're really good friends. And you don't see her interact

689
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: with women. You see her and her like interact with

690
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: her mom's who instead of having them like die to

691
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: save their dimension. They're killed in a weird accident that's

692
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: never really explained. Um, and then yeah, and then it's

693
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: like she she gets all of her confidence from doctor Strange,

694
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: like a white male character who honestly, like doesn't even

695
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: treat her very well. And it's it that was weird

696
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: to me. I think Hawkeye didn't do this to the

697
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: same extent. But one of the things that I know

698
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: you guys brought up in the episode, like keep Bishop

699
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: one of the aspects of her story which she was assaulted,

700
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: and I get that that's a difficult storyline to deal with,

701
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like she really was

702
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: motivated by a desire to help other women in her position.

703
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: She was really she was mentored by characters like Jessica

704
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: Jones and mocking Jay who's in Agents of Shield. She's

705
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: not a huge character, but she like there's all these

706
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: women in her life that she looks up to, and

707
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: they kind of just made it just Clint and her dad,

708
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: who is the one who's actually evil in the comics,

709
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: and her mom dies. So I don't know, Like I

710
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: think Marvel like they definitely they're like, we're going to

711
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: include some more female characters, but with limits. They can

712
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: only be kind of like the mentee, like the character

713
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: that's got to learn how to be confident and and

714
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And but they can't be like the

715
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: They can't be the mentor character. They can't be Their

716
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: confidence has to come from the men in their lives,

717
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: which I think is an interesting message that they have

718
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and then they either die or become

719
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: so powerful and get evil. But I'm so disappointed that

720
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: Kate Bishop doesn't make Jessica Jones. That would have been

721
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Speaker 1: in a moazing like the commentary and the dial long

722
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: in itself would have been hysterical. But I would love

723
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: just seeing that. It's so good. I again, like Young Inventors,

724
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: like any Marvel series, is super chaotic. It gets really

725
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: corny at some point. It's incredibly two thousand five. But

726
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: like I would so recommend reading it. It's got Kate.

727
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: Kate's an amazing character. The twins are both amazing, Like

728
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: all of the characters in that series are really fantastic.

729
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: And we'll see, we'll see what I again, I think

730
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: it's it's too soon to say with a lot of them.

731
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know, Yeah, right, yeah,

732
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Speaker 1: I mean That's one of my biggest issues on top

733
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: of all this other stuff, is I feel like they

734
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: just don't give the newer characters they're introducing, who are

735
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot of them women are marginalized people, as much

736
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: depth and so like in the comics they might have it,

737
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: but in the m CU, they really don't. And so

738
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of characters, I'm like, but you're so like,

739
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: why do I care about this character? Because you gave

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00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: me no real reason to They're just sort of there. Um.

741
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that they'll they move away from that.

742
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, but America, I think America also like she's

743
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: one of the characters. She if there's any character like

744
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: you co compare to, she's definitely like a thor kind

745
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: of character in the in within like Young Avengers. She

746
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: comes up and she's like already like she knows she's powerful.

747
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: She's very confident. I think she's like she has some

748
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: like internal she doesn't really know what she's doing with

749
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: her life. She's trying to figure out what you know,

750
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: but like her purpose and all that, but she she's

751
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: confident with her abilities. And I think that part of

752
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: the story was missing, and you that's not something you

753
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: get a lot with female characters. I think they tried

754
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: a bit with Captain Marvel. I don't know. I have

755
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: my own criticisms of that movie, but like it's not

756
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: a kind of trope you see a lot with female characters.

757
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: I think this is a female character where you had

758
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: it and they decided to take that away. Yeah, so

759
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: you have a question, what are your opinions on the

760
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: newer shows like Mrs Marvel and She Holp. I have

761
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: not seen She hoped bed Dubbed. I I love Miss

762
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: Marvel um. I actually think again, like I'm I'm white.

763
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: I can't speak from that, but at least from an

764
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: outside perspective, I think like the way that they handled

765
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: her story is probably better than they have other characters

766
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: so far. U which again I think they had within

767
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: They had Muslim creators, they had Pakistani creators on the show.

768
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I think that really helps. I love that show. I

769
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: thought it was fantastic. I think that also is a

770
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: good kind of way that I don't know. I know

771
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: there was criticism of them changing her powers, which I get,

772
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: but I think comparing it to things like yeah like America,

773
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: I think they did it. They in a much better

774
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: job with that she hulk. I I don't know yet.

775
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: I think, um, I think I gonna wait till the

776
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: series is over before I make a judge. I definitely,

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00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's fun that they're trying new

778
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: like like, it's cool they're trying to do like a

779
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: rom calm type thing. I don't love that they made

780
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: her like I definitely agree with a lot of criticism

781
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: that they definitely made her look like like much more

782
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: toned down than she doesn't look like a whole because

783
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: she looks like, you know, yeah women, you know, beauty expectations,

784
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, that w I think I am

785
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: have more conflicting feelings about that one. I think like, yeah,

786
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: that that wasn't really an answer, but I like it.

787
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: I like it you are very reined in until the

788
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: conclusion and then we'll talk about it. I do find

789
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: that funny when you were talking about that, because I

790
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: always think of cartoon characters that make animals into being feminine,

791
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, but why making this bear look like

792
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: they've got hips in breasts? This is very odd? And

793
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: then of course a bow. Yeah, I know it's so.

794
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: I think that reminds me because there was on TikTok.

795
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: There was like a filter that like made your greet

796
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: like I was like the shoeol filter, which first of all,

797
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: they also added like fake eyelashes and lipstick and all,

798
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: like I remember trying it and I was like, I

799
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: don't know, I felt like I looked ridiculous because I

800
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: was like I just look like I'm wearing a lot

801
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: of makeup right now and I'm green. But there was

802
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: also like, well, I can't I can't remember her name,

803
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: but one of the like one of the Olympic Olympic

804
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: athletes that's been super on TikTok, who's like super buff,

805
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: like put the filter on and it was like this is, yeah,

806
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: like you she should have looked more like this, like

807
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: you're actually like super you Like, yeah, Marvel doesn't want

808
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: to give their female characters muscles for some reason, even

809
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: when they have super strength, which I don't know, maybe

810
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: America's again, I love the actors who played her, I don't, yeah,

811
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: but like they definitely they don't want to give women

812
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: muscles for some reason. Oh yeah, we've talked about that before.

813
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: People are yeah, some people are particular about that. I'm

814
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: enjoying choke. I read a funny article about it the

815
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: other day that was like, Wow, it's so low steaks

816
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: and this is great. I was like, you're right. Yeah,

817
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize, but yeah, you're right. I think

818
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: like there's like a couple episodes left and probably get

819
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: high stakes in, but so far it's I'm pretty like okay, yeah,

820
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens with that

821
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: and with all of this stuff. Which, speaking of, thank

822
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: you so much for being here, Joey. This was We're

823
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: so fun. I'm glad to have somebody. Samantha. It's always like,

824
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? That we could like bounce

825
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: off and Samantha can interjected, wait a minute, the two

826
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: of you hold on. I'm just here to be like what,

827
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: which is great. We need that because otherwise a lot

828
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: of listeners will be like in the same boat, but

829
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: they won't be able to say, um, but you also,

830
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Speaker 1: um are working on an episode on Scarlett Witch and religion. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am. So this has kind of started. I think

832
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Speaker 1: people have been talking. There was a like the Washington

833
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: Post TikTok guide did something about this. But one of

834
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: the criticisms about the MCS take on the Scarlett witch

835
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: that I have and a number of other fans of

836
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: hat is that she in the comics is not only

837
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: is she of Jewish descent, she's also Romani descent, so

838
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Speaker 1: she's supposed to be a Jewish woman of color. She's

839
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: not particularly religious, she's more like culturally Jewish, but yeah,

840
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: her dad's Magneto. It's a big part of her character.

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00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: I obviously, like with any older comic thing, they don't

842
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: always handle, you know, there characters of color very well.

843
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: They definitely lead into a lot of stereotypes about Romani people.

844
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it definitely they Marvel did

845
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: Whitewasher first of all, and then they also took away

846
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: or her Jewish identity, so there's kind of the dual

847
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: issue there of Romani racer and Jewish racer. Personally, I

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Speaker 1: I I I'm very excited to talk about that Scarlet

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be fun. So look forward to that in

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