1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Hello. We are recording this on Thursday, January ninth, but 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: you are listening to it on Friday, January tenth. My 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: name is Katie. We welcome to Cardinal Territory, part of 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network. I am so thrilled to have 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: a guest who needs no introduction today, but I'm going 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: to give him one anyway. Bernie Nicholas joins the show. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Someone I've looked up to for a very long time, 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: just an absolute staple in Saint Louis Cardinals coverage. Bernie, 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: and thrilled that you are here. Welcome. 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 2: I am so flattered by that. 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: I am a huge fan of yours and when the 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: Athletic hired you, it didn't take me long to realize 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: you were something special and it was something that would 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: only take time for you to show that to everybody, 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: and you get better and better and better. And I 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: am thrilled that you asked me to be on today. 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: So thank you very much. 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. That's very kind of you. And you 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: know it says something every time I walk into the 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: Bush Stadium Press. Your stories are the ones that are 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: printed and framed all throughout and for good reasons. So obviously. 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: I think when you just think about the Saint Louis 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: baseball writers, the history of that, just a long line 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: of exceptional journalism for me to try to live up too. 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: So well, you're so high, you're doing great, you're doing great, 26 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: and the best is yet to come. 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Well, thanks, I hope. So can we say that about 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals. How about let's jump right into 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: it right. Oh, it's your intro. Welcome to Cardinals territory. 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Every day or every time we record, I forget to 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: do something along with the banners, but here we go. 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: It's up. Let's go right into it. Today with MLB's 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: arbitration deadline and Cardinals, they went three for six. That's 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: a great batting average for your day. It's not so 35 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: good when you're talking about twenty twenty five contracts. So 36 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: quick recap for those of you who missed it. The 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals agreed to twenty twenty five contracts with Ryan Helsley, 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Jojo Romero, John King. They did not with Bars new 39 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: bar Brendan Donovan and Andre Polante. For a team that 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: is so focused on the youth movement of twenty twenty five, 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: it was a little surprising for me to see these 42 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: three names not able to settle on contract terms for 43 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Bernie, what are you thinking? 44 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you, and this is kind of a 45 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: Cardinal thing. I mean, I can't have surprised just from 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: an overview, but with these three guys in particular, I've 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 3: never understood why they want to go to the mat 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: as often as they do in arbitration hearings. I know 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are going to do their Cardinals thing, but 50 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: you would think that in an off season where nothing's 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: basically happened. I mean, nothing has happened, and they're on 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: hold because of Nolan Aarnado and everything's like on freeze, 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: and the fans are disappointed or anxious or angry, whatever 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: you want to call it. It just seems weird to 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: me that you would take this particular time and in 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: effect like start a fight with three of your players 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: that's not really a fight, but you know what I mean, 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 3: you were around. I mean that arbitration hearing and all 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: the drama that went with that really really affected impacted 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: Tyler O'Neil. 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: I mean it really really did. 62 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: And I don't know what kind of money we're talking 63 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: about the difference between what the Cardinals are offering and 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: what the players want. 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 2: It just always seems to me that, you know, why 66 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: not have a. 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: Happy team and a fully motivated team and send a 68 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: signal to your fans that you're not going to quibble 69 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: over relatively small amounts of money. 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and you think that would be 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: a somewhat easy concept. But it wasn't. It didn't. It 72 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: did not shake out that way. Now, I do want 73 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: to say that the Cardinals, like you said, are kind 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: of in a holding pattern with Nolan or not. I 75 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: think they planned to have been rid of that seventy 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: four million dollar salary by now, which have made the 77 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: arbitration process and the whole off season a lot easier. However, 78 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: it's been the theme of the offseason, and I'm sure 79 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: we'll get into it. They haven't traded him. They're unsure 80 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: if they're going to be able to most still has 81 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: to cut payroll. The Cardinals also knew that Brian Helsley 82 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: was due for a major raise in arbitration, and he 83 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: got it. He settled for eight point two million dollars, 84 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: a raise of almost four point five million dollars from 85 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: last year very well deserved. He was one of the best, 86 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: if not the best believers in baseball last year let 87 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: MLB with forty nine saves, and the Cardinals did not 88 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: want to take him to a hearing. Like Tyler O'Neill 89 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: that you mentioned, Brian Helsley did not love the arbitration 90 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: hearing process two years ago and was very candid on 91 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: how it negatively impacted him as well. That meant a 92 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: little bit more difficulty because again Moe does still have 93 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: to trim some payroll and he has to get creative 94 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: and how to do it. So, your first year in arbitration, 95 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: commonly referred to as a player's platform year, is often 96 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: considered the most important, and when you think about why, 97 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: it makes sense. These are the years the first time 98 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: that players can really see a substantial raise at you know, 99 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: unless you are a Super two player under polant Is 100 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: in this case, you don't get arbitration until three years 101 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: of major league service time, where you're often making the 102 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: major league minimum. Now, when you get to arbitration and 103 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: you have that first year to start bargaining for yourself, really, 104 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: if you settle for something that's low, that's going to 105 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: impact your raise in year two and in year three, 106 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: so I can understand why maybe the representatives of these 107 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: players new Bar and Polante are represented by Wasserman, Brendan 108 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: Donovan is represented by the Bloodsoe Agency are pushing a 109 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: little bit stronger for higher floors. And it also makes 110 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: sense because when you think about the big theme of 111 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, it's the youth movement, and Brendan Donovan, 112 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: Lars Newpar and Andre Polante have all been actively promoted 113 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: as key players in that youth movement. So I saw 114 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: something on Twitter. I can't credit the account because I 115 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: can't remember the name, but it did make me laugh. 116 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Someone said the Cardinals had promised opportunities for all of 117 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: their young players. I guess that also includes the opportunity 118 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: to go through arbitration hearings. Got a good laugh out 119 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: of me. 120 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: I like that. 121 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very you know, just because a team 122 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: does not come to terms with a player before the 123 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: deadline doesn't mean that they can't continue trading numbers. However, 124 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: this has not really been the Cardinals approach. They are 125 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: usually a file trial club, so we'll see how this 126 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: shakes out. I believe hearings are scheduled for early in March. 127 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how it shakes out, but those are 128 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: three really important guys for twenty twenty five. I just 129 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: kind of prefer clear the head, you know, before you 130 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: go to spring training and. 131 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: Get ready for the regular season. All players are wired differently. 132 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: As you know, so maybe in the case of these 133 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: three guys, it won't bother them. They kind of know 134 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: what's up. And they're not exactly real young kids either. 135 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: They've been around a. 136 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: While for sure, and you know it's again, it's arbitration. 137 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: Everyone handles it differently. I do wonder though, if you're 138 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: looking at next year. This is something that we saw 139 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: with Tommy Edman last year. Right The Cardinals did not 140 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: settle with him before the deadline, but they went on 141 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: to negotiate a two year contract through his remaining our bears. 142 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: I know there's been some floats about that out there. 143 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: It does not look like any of these players, whether 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: it's Donnie new or Blaze, ever got close with extension talks. 145 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: That would really surprise me if they did, because there 146 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: is such big uncertainty over the front office next year. Right, Look, 147 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: we know that Moe is going to step down him 148 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: bloom is taking over. We don't know what players him 149 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: wants to build around. We don't know what his plans 150 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six and beyond our So while yes, 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: there is a chance that the Cardinals could leave the 152 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: door open and negotiate and M'll tell your deals, I 153 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: personally don't see that very likely because I think the 154 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: front office turnover just leaves too much out there. There's 155 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: nothing definitive out there to plan past twenty twenty five. 156 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: That's the whole reason they're doing this, right, They don't 157 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: know what they have. They want to figure it out 158 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: so they can plan for twenty twenty six. Well, I, 159 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: for one, am in the in the camp of if 160 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: you think a player is going to be part of 161 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: your long term future, why not lock him down. I 162 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: don't see that happening right now, just because we don't 163 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: really know what this front office change. 164 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: And it's just it's a it's certainly a compelling situation 165 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: because I like the idea of heim Bloom starting fresh 166 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: and with a clean slate, and there's no leftover business 167 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: that maybe John Moselek had wanted to do, whether it 168 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: was a couple of years ago or now, that would 169 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: somehow make it more difficult for heim Bloom to sort 170 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: of get off to the kind of start that he 171 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: wants to. I got to assume, and you know better 172 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: than I do, obviously, I got to assume that they're 173 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: they're in regular contact and you know, are probably generally 174 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: on the same page. But that's one of the most 175 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: fascinating things to me about the Cardinals. And I am 176 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: looking ahead a little bit. You know, it's Mozillic's final year, 177 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: and he's got a tough job in that regard because 178 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: of all the things that they're trying to do for 179 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and you know, so many fans are 180 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: disillusioned or whatever. But you know, on top of that, 181 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know exactly what to expect from 182 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 3: heim Bloom. I mean, we know a lot from his background, 183 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: especially with Tampa Bay Rob Sorfolio to his background with 184 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: the Cleveland Guardians, and we know that they're both really 185 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: really highly educated in drafting and player development and having 186 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: all the cutting edge technology and facilities and tools that 187 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: young players need to succeed. So I think I think 188 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: Heim Bloom and Rob Sfolio and some of the recruits 189 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: that are bringing in are really going to make and no, 190 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but it'll really get 191 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: the Cardinals up to speed. It'll modernize them. It'll be 192 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: given more forward thinking approach to things. They'll be more 193 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: efficient with payroll. They'll certainly it'll take time. They'll certainly 194 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: have a pipeline flowing to Saint Louis, which. 195 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: It's been really really hard for them. 196 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: I mean, the Cardinals of that have not had a 197 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: homegrown position player make an All Star team since Paul 198 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: de Young, and I think that was only because they 199 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 3: needed to have a representative to Saint Louis and they 200 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: had their last starting pitcher who was a homegrown guy 201 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: in the All Star Game was Carlos Martinez. But even 202 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: that one's kind of weird because the Cardinals only got 203 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: him after Boston kind of screwed up their attempt to 204 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: sign him and MLB voided the contract. So you know, 205 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: I I've been around so long, I'm so used to 206 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: and I don't live in the past. But I'm just saying, man, 207 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: it's you go back in contrast all of these excellent 208 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: homegrown players and starting pitchers especially, and you can see 209 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: how this finally caught up to the Cardinals, and I 210 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: know that Hein Bloom is going to remedy to that, 211 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: but beyond that, I don't know, like will he want 212 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: to be more aggressive about spending money. I mean, you know, 213 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: in Boston, I don't blame him for the Mookie Bets thing. 214 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: And I'm sorry if I'm wandering off topic. Illogize. 215 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: I love that there are rules. 216 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, No, I don't know that. I don't blame 217 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: him for Mookie Betts. 218 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: But you know a couple of friends of mine who 219 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: know Hein Bloom really well, I believe them. You know, 220 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: he was pretty much forced into trading bets. You could 221 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: make the case maybe he should have got more for bets. 222 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: I would argue that the ownership told him once they 223 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: told him to trade bets, and that word got out. 224 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: Heim Bloom's leverage was really compromised, So I really don't 225 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 3: hold that against him too much. However, his one big 226 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: move in terms of spending money was to give a 227 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: lot of money to Trevor's story and that hasn't worked out. 228 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: So I don't know what kind of aggressiveness he'll he'll 229 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: be allowed to have in terms of raising the pay roll, 230 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: going hard after premium free agents or at least upper 231 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: level free agents, because the Tampa Bay model and the 232 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: Cleveland model will work. Really, the Cardinals really neat that 233 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: to re establish their foundation of internally produced talent. But 234 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: after that, it's somewhere down the line. If the Cardinals 235 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: are flowing, the pipeline's flowing, they'll have to separate themselves 236 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: from the Tampa Bay and the Cleveland model because those 237 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: teams are very limited financially. The Cardinals really aren't. They're 238 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: not going to spend with the Dodgers or the Mets. 239 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: But the beauty of the Tampa Bay and the Cleveland system, 240 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: if you put that in Saint Louis, is that rather 241 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: than let their own players get away because oh we 242 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: don't have the money, or rather than say, oh well, 243 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: we can't really go out and do that, the Cardinals 244 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: will have the financial cloud to be able to do 245 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: those things. And so when I talk to fans about this, 246 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: I said, listen, don't get too hung up on the 247 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: fact that Tampa Bay hasn't won a World Series or 248 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 3: Cleveland hasn't won a World Series. I mean those two teams, 249 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: given their payroll spot sizes and given them meager resources, 250 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 3: they can only get to things so high, and they've 251 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: out punched their weight class repeatedly. But to be a 252 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: World Series contender or a champion, the Cardinals can sort 253 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: of finish that off. You have the Tampa Bay and 254 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: Cleveland model and it gets you so far and it's 255 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: really good, it's really impressive. That's when the ownership and 256 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: the front office comes in. Okay, where do they take 257 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: it from there? Because then you have to finish off 258 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: this nice thing you're building. 259 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: No, I think you are spot on. And when we're 260 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: thinking about the High and Bloom era, we're thinking about 261 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: the youth movement a little bit right. And look, I 262 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: understand why the Cardinals went out and are revamping their 263 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: player development system. They have desperately needed to do that 264 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: for years. And you know, they had a relatively unsatisfying 265 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: press conference at the end of the year in which 266 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: they kind of admitted why they were doing it, but 267 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: really wanted to say everything was fine. Don't worry. We're 268 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: only revamping our entire player development system and doing a 269 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: ton of additional hires, but don't worry. Everything's fine. And 270 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: the reason that they're going out and they put hind 271 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: Bloom in front of this is for exactly what you 272 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: just said. He's very good at this. He's built a career, 273 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: He's established himself in Major League Baseball as a pioneer 274 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: in modern player development. Rob'sortfolio is seen as like a 275 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: rising star right under him the Cleveland Guardians great player 276 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: development system, the Tampa Bay Rays powerhouse, the new director 277 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: of pitching him from the Seattle Mariners. Have you seen 278 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: that rotation? One of the best in baseball? So I'm 279 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: on board with it. Again, I've never once really been 280 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: against what the Cardinals are doing this year. Is it 281 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: disappointing that they're going to, you know, flat out saying, hey, 282 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: this is probably not going to be our best season ever. Yeah, 283 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: of course, it's the same it was Cardinals. You can 284 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: afford to do both at the same time. However, at 285 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: this little gaff year, which is what they're planning it 286 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: to be, brings the Cardinals back to what they were 287 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: always so good at, which was drafting and developing home 288 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: grown players and then utilizing those players, not letting them walk, 289 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: but utilizing those players to be competitive and be that 290 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: core so that they could go out and smartly spend 291 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: free agent supplementary pieces, not going out and building an 292 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: entire rotation out of free agency and hoping it works. 293 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: Then you know, I think that's what you do. 294 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: Right now, I'm very much I'm very much in approval 295 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: of what the Cardinals approach is going to be. Could 296 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: I and this is relevant. I'm not just like throwing 297 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: out a random stat you know me, I'm a numbers nerd. 298 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: But I did. 299 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: I did a video on my YouTube channel where I 300 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: was talking about the Cardinals really are smart to emulate 301 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay and the Cleveland model. Now, a lot 302 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: of Cardinals fans were pushed back on that. They were 303 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: almost offended, like it's like, well, when do they won 304 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: a World Series? Cardinals won eleven World Series. Well, listen, 305 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: I think we were sort of past this time where 306 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: like Bill DeWitt, the chairman of the team, can like 307 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: stand up at a press conference and say, you know, 308 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: to the fans who are disappointed and just say, well, 309 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: I know everyone's mad, but we won three World Series 310 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: in the nineteen forties. I Mean there comes a time 311 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: where you can't just you know, hide behind your trophies, right, 312 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: CKT correct, And here's the stat. So I had to 313 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: set that up. And this is why they should emulate 314 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay in Cleveland. Right, the last ten years, the 315 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: Cardinals have outspent the Tampa Bay Rays by three hundred 316 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars, and they've outspent Cleveland by one 317 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: hundred and forty five million dollars. Right, pretty large sums 318 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: of money in terms of a spending advantage. Over the 319 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: ten years, the Rays and the Guardians have won more 320 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: regular season games in Saint Louis, They've won more postseason 321 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: games in Saint Louis, they have a lower ra than 322 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: Saint Louis, They've scored more runs than Saint Louis, and 323 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: unlike Saint Louis, they've each been in a World Series 324 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: over that time. So I'm thinking, well, why would anyone 325 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: and I really mean this and I don't really get 326 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: like salty, sorry, but why would any Cardinals fan be 327 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: opposed to having a smart player development operation that gives 328 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: them a tactical advantage when they're trying to, you know, 329 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: sort of win the IQ battle with an organization like Milwaukee, 330 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: Like if you know when you when you are spending 331 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: that much more money than Cleveland and Tampa Bay, but 332 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: you're not winning as much as they are. Over ten years. 333 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: I mean, hello, I think that's a wake up call. 334 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: I don't know why there are Cardinals fans, and I 335 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: don't know how many I just happen to hear from 336 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: them who were resistant to this, you know, like looking. 337 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: Down on Tampa Bay and Cleveland. 338 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: I mean, to me, that's a little cuckoo quite frankly 339 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: pretty branding. 340 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: With those numbers. That's spending. You crush this because if 341 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: you're spending that much money and teams and you know, 342 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals are claiming a little bit of 343 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: frugality here with their cutting payroll for all of their 344 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: various reasons, and you're overspending that much to see minimal 345 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: results compared to what the very high expectations are in 346 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: the city, and they are deserved. You can't can't claim 347 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: the trophies and flun out the history and then next 348 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: done when fans all of a sudden are like, what's 349 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: going on, That's not how this works. I just it 350 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: rubs me the wrong way. Sometimes when I think the 351 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals, whoever's representing them at the time, will say, well, yeah, 352 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: we've had a really good run they had. Cardinals ownership 353 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: has had an insane run. I think John mozaylock because 354 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: this is what have you done for me? 355 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 3: Now? 356 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: Business people have forgotten just how great that first half was. 357 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: But you can't hide behind that. And more and more 358 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: we're seeing the Cardinals get exposed on just not only 359 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: falling behind, but really getting lapped, especially in areas that 360 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: they used to be so good at. And if you 361 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: want the Cardinals to go back to winning World Series 362 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: and being a powerhouse, they're never going to spend like 363 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. They're never going to spend like the Mets. 364 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: They never have. They need to get back to drafting 365 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: and developing players. It's how they've been good. It's how 366 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: they created an entire identity. They should have the model 367 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: of the Rays and the Guardians because they have the 368 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: ability and the resources to do it even better if 369 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: they hire the right people. And I at least am 370 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: under depression that they're off to a good start. 371 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: In that regard, I think they're off to a great start. 372 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: And to bring it closer to home, and I've used 373 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: this stat a lot, so you know, pardon me if 374 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: I'm you know, doing it again, but I think it's relevant. Okay, 375 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: since twenty seventeen, the Brewers have pretty much owned the Cardinals. 376 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: I mean, they've won more division championships, they've made the 377 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: playoffs more times, and they've won more regular season games, 378 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: and right on down the line, right they've they've kind 379 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: of embarrassed the Cardinals, considering that since twenty seventeen, the 380 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 3: Cardinals have outspent the Brewers by over four hundred million dollars. 381 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: So I don't throw that out there to take a 382 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: shot at John Mozleak. 383 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: I'd throw that out there in an. 384 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 3: Attempt to kind of maybe helped some fans understand that 385 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: what the Cardinals are doing now with this initiative to renovate, 386 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: rehabilitate their player development system what used to be builded 387 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: with Baby. By the way, it's absolutely necessary because when 388 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: you're out spending the Brewers by four hundred, four hundred 389 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: and twenty five million dollars since twenty seventeen, you're constantly 390 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: chasing them, Doesn't that tell you know. 391 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: Something went wrong here? 392 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: Maybe you need to kind of start from the roots 393 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: on up and quit worrying about chasing medium level free 394 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: agents who aren't going to like move the needle for 395 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: you that much. 396 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the Brewers because it reminds 397 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: me of one of the last conversations I have with 398 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnatto at the end of the twenty twenty four season. 399 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: I was talking to him and Paul Goldschmidt, and to 400 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: their credit, I sprang this on them last minute, and 401 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: they were more than willing to do it, and they 402 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: were more willing to be candid about it. And Nolan said, 403 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, talking about his four years in Saint Louis, 404 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: the Brewers had won the division three out of four times, 405 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: And I remember how he said it, and I remember 406 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: the quote exactly. He said, that's really tough, and his 407 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: voice trailed off for a second and he kind of shrugged, 408 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: and he said, because I thought that would have been us, 409 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: and I too, when I joined the Cardinals in twenty 410 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: twenty one, did not envision them a Hockey Brewers going 411 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: three for four in division titles. And I think it 412 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: just goes to show where the Cardinals are currently and 413 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: where they need to be. But speaking of Nolan Arnado, 414 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: h surprise that time on the show, no new updates, 415 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: so we're going to skip that. But I was thinking, 416 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: as we get closer and closer to pitchers and catchers 417 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: reporting there's a growing likelihood, at least for now, that 418 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: Nolan remains with the club. How will that impact this 419 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: youth movement that has been so pivotal for the Cardinals. 420 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: I mean, they've been so adamant that this is what 421 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: they're going to do. They're going to create new opportunities 422 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: for the players. And something again I agree with, how 423 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: does that work with Nolan Arnada playing third base? Because 424 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: he's not coming here and not playing third base every day. 425 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: That's just not how this works. 426 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: You've done a fantastic job at the athletic of just 427 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 3: kind of susten all this out, and certainly on Cardinals 428 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: territory you've done the same. I enjoy watching you with 429 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: Trevor Rosenthal, who's such a great guy, and you've pointed 430 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: out some of the ramifications. I mean, first of all, 431 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: what they really want Nolan Gorman is to be, you know, 432 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: to get six hundred plate appearances or so at third base, 433 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: see if his natural position, he'll be a good solid 434 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: third basement there. And then by then by doing that, 435 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: you know, you could you could do a number of things. 436 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: You could have Brendan Donovan as your primary second basement. 437 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: You can still move them around. 438 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: Thomas A jac would have more of a prominent role 439 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 3: rather than maybe no role at all. You you, you, 440 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: there's so many there's so many different ripple effects to this. Uh, 441 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: if you have Gorman at third base, you you don't 442 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: have to necessarily or feel is perhaps as much of 443 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 3: a pressing need to slash slash slash moor payroll because 444 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: you've gotten gotten uh uh, you've rid yourself of a 445 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: lot of the Aronato money. I mean, it just goes 446 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: right on down the line. And I didn't even you know, 447 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: talk about some other stuff like if if Ironado's here, 448 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna defer to you on that because I 449 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: heard what you told Trevor Rosenthal in the most recent video, 450 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: and I agree with what you said. You know, iron Otto, 451 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: Like I always wonder, okay, is he really going to 452 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: be happy here? Can he just shake all this off 453 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 3: if he comes back? Will this just be something that 454 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: just eats at him? And you you believe and you listen, 455 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: you've interviewed him a lot and written a lot about 456 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: him where he has been a very cooperative interviewee, right, 457 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 3: so I trust what you say about him you say 458 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 3: he's a pro. He'll come to work and he'll try 459 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: to do his best, and I got to think that 460 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: that's correct. 461 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: I do. But we'll find out. I guess. 462 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: I don't know whether to say I hope we'll find out, 463 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 3: or maybe we'll find out, because it's still very much 464 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: up in the air. 465 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: It is it is, and you know, I can't speak 466 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: for Nolan, but if he comes back to Saint Louis 467 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: and he's unhappy about it, you I don't think fans 468 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: are going to be able to tell, you know, if anything, 469 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: I think he'll be pretty motivated as it, Like, Hey, 470 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, I used to be a superstar and all 471 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden, nobody wants to trade for me. I'm 472 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: going to take that personally. But it is kind of 473 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: an interesting scenario because no matter what happens, it's going 474 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: to be chaotic. Right, he either gets traded at the 475 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: last second or he stays. And again, I think the 476 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: likelihood him staying is growing stronger each week we get 477 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: closer to spring training. If he stays, there's no room 478 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: for Nolan Gorman at third base, at least because again 479 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: Arnato was going to play there every day. Donovan couldn't 480 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: go back to being the super utility. We know that 481 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: about him, but I you know, I think it would 482 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: be nice for a player to have a home for once. 483 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, if he's going and bouncing back between the 484 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: infield and the outfield, that's logjamming the outfield. We know 485 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: that they want to see a new bar out there 486 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: every day. They have to see Jordan Walker out there 487 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: every day. They have to get Jordan Walker, right. What's 488 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: that going to mean for the center field spot with 489 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: Michael Sianni Victor Scott the second what's that going to 490 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: mean for Alec Burlson. We don't know. He's already relatively 491 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: blocked with Caturis at first base. So I think what 492 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm watching as we get closer to spring is if 493 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: the Cardinals can pull off this youth movement that they 494 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: have tried so hard to sell the fans on. And 495 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: I think it would be very messy if the Cardinals 496 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: are all of a sudden rolling out a very similar 497 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: roster to last year, Because right now I'm looking at it, 498 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: the twenty six man roster minus a couple of key 499 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: pictures looks exactly the same. 500 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: You're so right, and I've been a little bit of 501 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 3: a skeptic about the youth movement because I want to 502 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: believe in it, and I think that they're going to 503 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 3: try that, but I don't know that they're going to 504 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: go all the way with it, and I would kind 505 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: of like to see them go all the way with it. 506 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 3: They're kind of hedging a little bit, and I know 507 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: they also have to sort of strike a tone where 508 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: they're not They don't want the fans to think they're 509 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 3: throwing away the season. But for where I sit, and 510 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 3: I think you and I agree on this, they're not 511 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 3: throwing away a season because this must be done right now. 512 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: It's far to find out everything you need to learn 513 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: about guys that could be a big part of your 514 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: future or not. So the Car's actually started playing a 515 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: lot of young players last season, you know, so this 516 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: is almost kind of like year two of this. But 517 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: it's just that they've declared it as such, which they 518 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 3: didn't do last year. So I just don't know, you know, 519 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 3: you know, I believe that, you know, you go all 520 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 3: in with this movement, and I'm a little cold hearted, 521 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 3: I guess. But if you have assets and they're entering 522 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 3: their walk, ear trade them. If there's good offers for them, 523 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: you know, move that I kind of think that something 524 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: heim Bloom might be inclined to do. But that's not 525 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: fair because I don't know for sure. 526 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: But let me throw the question at you. 527 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 3: Do you think they're going far enough with the youth movement? 528 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: Will they go far enough? And I know if iron 529 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: Ido comes back, well it changes a lot of the plans, 530 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: But I just wonder about how far they go we're 531 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: going to go with the plans even with him gone? 532 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: What educate me on that? I really would like to 533 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: hear your opinion. 534 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: So when they first did their ill fated end of 535 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: VIRA press conference, I was kind of on board because I, 536 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: for one, did not envision Sonny gray Stain and I 537 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: did not envision Wilson Contras accepting the move to first base. 538 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: So I thought there would be much better openings right 539 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: without contraras you could probably slide some people in different 540 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: positions without Sunny Gray, more opportunity for some of the 541 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: young pictures. I did assume, maybe incorrectly, that Nolan Arnatto 542 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: would be traded and Ryan Helsley as well does not 543 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: look likely for either. Again, so knowing that they have 544 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: some some stipulations, right, Miles Michaelis, he can't trade him, 545 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: he has a no trade I don't know if they're 546 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: going to be able to trade Steven Matt I don't 547 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: know what his value is. There are some contracts that 548 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: they've locked themselves into, so I'm going to eliminate that 549 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: part because there's not really much they can do about it. Right, 550 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure and I think this goes too And 551 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying whether this is not, you know, a 552 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: right or wrong decision. You think John Mozelac wants to 553 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: lose in his lat in general, but in his life 554 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: last year, after what he's done for this organization, for 555 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: this city, for Major League Baseball. Look, I know that 556 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: he's not immune from criticism, but he's had a heck 557 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: of a tenure at top of the Saint Louis Cardinals. 558 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: Do you think he's happy about this? Of course not. No, 559 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: he wants to win. Still, I don't blame him. It's 560 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals. You should be trying to win 561 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: every single year. At the same time, if you're trying 562 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: to find a youth movement, I don't really know how 563 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: going half in, half out helps. I think from fans. 564 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: They just want to see the organization commit to a direction, 565 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: and I thought in October I thought they were committing 566 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: to it. Something's happened out of their control. I don't 567 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: think you can fault the organization for players electing to 568 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: use their right that they've burned the no trade clauses 569 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: right like they burn that right. You can't hold it 570 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: against an organization or a player. But that's why I 571 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: think Arnato Stain, if he does end up doing so, 572 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: makes this so much more interesting because now, all of 573 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, they don't really have a clear path anywhere, 574 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: with the exception of Mason Wynn, who you already knew, 575 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: and your catchers, who you know are still going to 576 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: be splitting time with Aymon Herrera and Pedro Pajez. So no, 577 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they've done enough for the youth movement, 578 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's been hampered by the organization and 579 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: Moe's desire to win, because again, it's the Saint Louis Cardinals. 580 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: You should be trying to win. 581 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: Every now and then, though, reality hits home and you 582 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 3: just have to kind of take absorb the blows and 583 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: take it on the chin and all that cliche stuff. 584 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: But you said something that resonates so much with me 585 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: because on my videos and even in some of my writing, 586 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: I use this phrase now more and more, and I 587 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: can I can speak for myself, but I think I 588 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: am speaking for a lot of fans where I just 589 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: want them to get out of the miss I call 590 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: it the mosaic middle. Just get out of the middle, 591 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: because they're just in the middle all the time. It's like, well, 592 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 3: they go a little bit over here, a little bit 593 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: over there, we're going to do this. Then they kind 594 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: of go back to the middle. We're going to do that, 595 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: and they come back to the middle. I mean, they got 596 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: to get out of the middle. And see my old review, 597 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: look at this is like, listen, if you get out 598 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: of the middle and you're not gonna have a good 599 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 3: season in terms of your record in twenty twenty five, 600 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: but if you truly are getting out of the middle 601 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: because you're committing to another plan, I am totally good 602 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: with that. The thing that I don't like is that 603 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: they're going to stay in the middle, and it seems 604 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: it seems like that's where it's headed. 605 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: Listen, we know they're not going to spend. 606 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 3: Money along the lines of the Mets and the Dodgers 607 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: and some other teams. 608 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: We can mention. We know that. 609 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: So it's got to be a youth movement. It's got 610 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: to be a strong pharm system. It's got to be 611 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: like state of the art player development and that stuff. 612 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: Time takes time, and it takes money. But it's like, man, 613 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: you gotta get out of the center lane. 614 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: You know which way are you gonna go here? 615 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: Exactly? And that's I think is the biggest frustration for fans. 616 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: And that's why you've seen such why you've seen the 617 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: totals that the Apostadium in the second half start to drop. 618 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: You're just seen in different I Like he's said, disillusioned 619 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: earlier in the episode, that's exactly what this fan base is, 620 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: the same Louis Cardinals fan base. They do not need 621 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: us to say it. They know it. One of the 622 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: most passionate fan bases in sports. If you put together 623 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: a compelling club or an idea for them to get behind, 624 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: they will show up and they will support. And if 625 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals youth movement goes out there, if they fully 626 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: committed and they've won seventy five games, very underwhelming season, 627 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: I still think that the fan base would be like, 628 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: you know what, this is what they had to do 629 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: to figure it out. This is a terrible baseball to watch, 630 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: but we're behind it because they committed to an idea. 631 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals have fully committed to their 632 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: self proclaimed youth movement, reset, retool, whatever word you don't 633 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: want to use. It's not rebuilding. And I think they're 634 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: running out of time to figure that out. And that's 635 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: why we've been talking so much about Arnatto, because it 636 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: really hinges on all of that, and I don't think 637 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: that's fair to put on the player. He didn't ask 638 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: for this, He didn't ask you to put in this decision. 639 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: He had actually asked to stay. You know, he didn't 640 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: use his off down twenty one and twenty two. He 641 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: stuck with the team in twenty twenty three after an 642 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: all around horrific performance from everyone involved, and twenty twenty 643 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: four was not much better. But you know, he didn't 644 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: ever demand the trade to Mo. Even this year, it 645 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: was Mo coming to Nolan. So I do feel a 646 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: little bit unfair that the way this is folding out 647 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: is all about like, oh, what's what's Nolan going to do? 648 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that's fair to him. Again though, it's 649 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: it's almost remarkable how the Cardinals have all these plans 650 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: and lately just have not been able to execute them. 651 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: No, that's right. 652 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: And by the way, I totally supported Nolan aron Outo's 653 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: decision to veto the Houston trade. I mean, that's why 654 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: he has it in his contract. That's why the Cardinals said, yeah, 655 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: that's in your contract, but we want you, so we'll 656 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 3: honor that. Of course, they have any choice but from us. 657 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: But the thing about it, and this is not a 658 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 3: criticism of him or his agent, it really isn't, because 659 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: it's really hard to read these markets, and they're probably 660 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 3: the agent's probably told some things. It gives them an 661 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: idea that maybe this team's really interested. The only thing 662 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: about Houston scratch them off the list. They pivoted very 663 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: quickly to Christian Walker, and that took one team that 664 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: we know for sure wanted Nolan Aarnado. 665 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: And so I don't know how many other. 666 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: Teams, and I know everybody plays a little bit of possum. 667 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: I don't know how many other teams. I don't know 668 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 3: what his market is. How many teams actually have a 669 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: yearning to trade for him. 670 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: Oh, they would do it. 671 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: If the Cardinals are willing to just just eat a 672 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: huge slice of. 673 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: His contract, they would do it. 674 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: If they did well, we're not going to give you 675 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 3: anything though, you know, if it's all on their terms, 676 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: they'll do it. They'll take the gamble on his offense there. 677 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 3: But from your reporting has been it doesn't sound like 678 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are inclined to take on a huge chunk 679 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 3: of that contract. And they still do hope to get 680 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of return, but maybe a 681 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: prospect or two that may not be acclaim now but 682 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 3: could be a lottery ticket, so to speak. Maybe someone 683 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: that Tim Bloom and robs Ortfolio are aware of. 684 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, if that player development system turns out the way, 685 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: it's fascinating, Bernie. I can't believe how fast the time 686 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: when time does fly when you're having fun. This is great. 687 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining. I know that you've 688 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: been a very popular ask from the show. So here 689 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: our Cardinal Territory. We try to give to people what 690 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: they want. Obviously, you can follow us on Twitter. You 691 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: can like and subscribe to car Territory on YouTube, on Spotify, Apple, 692 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: and don't forget to give Bernie Show a follow, but 693 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: she already are all are following. How could you not. 694 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: He's available on YouTube's and must listen to on KMOX 695 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: at noon sometimes and just all around if you've been 696 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: following Cardinals baseball. Bernie doesn't need me to speak for him. 697 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: He's just fantastic. So thank you again for joining. This 698 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: has been great. I can't wait to hopefully continue to 699 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: do this more. 700 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: It was my pleasure. 701 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: And I'm going to say what we were talking about 702 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 3: before we started, so listen. 703 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 2: I what I do every day of the week. 704 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 3: Weekdays, I sit in my home office and I turn 705 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: it into a content farm. 706 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 2: I never leave my house. 707 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: I'm basically trapped in here, right, I'm just kidding, but 708 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 3: I do spend all day in my office. My point 709 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 3: being is if you're always planning something and plans tend 710 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 3: to fall through, I'm your emergency help if you need 711 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 3: someone at the last minute, because I'm all right. So 712 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: you know, if your closer Trevor Rosenthal can't. 713 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 2: Make it, you have to go. 714 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 3: You have to go down to it like the maybe 715 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: the weaker part of the bullpen, but at least I'll 716 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: take the ball. 717 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, he's pitched five or seven. You're 718 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: not available today, so we got to call him the 719 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: big guns. You got to call him Bernie. 720 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 2: I love him just so. 721 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 3: No, it's really a pleasure to be on there with 722 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: you with a great conversation. 723 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm fired up. That was wonderful. Thank you, we do. 724 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. If arbitration didn't fire me up? 725 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: How what a world we are where arbitration deadline is 726 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: like big news for the month. I can't wait to 727 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: see how the rest of this January goes win or 728 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: warm up next weekend? Yay? And baseball, Yes, the same 729 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: with baseball. Writer's Dinner is coming up. You've heard me 730 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: talk about it, You're going to hear me talk about 731 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: it again. Limited tickets still available both for the dinner 732 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: and our VIP event. Come join the nineteen eighty five 733 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: team getting recognized for their fortieth anniversary of the NL 734 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: Championship pennant. So many other guys Brendan Donovan, Ryan Helsley, 735 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: Mason Winn goes down the list. It should be a 736 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: wonderful time. And of course our headliner Ozzie Smith getting 737 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: our Lifetime Achievement awards should be great for Bernie I'm Katie. 738 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: This is Cardinal Territory. We will see you next week. 739 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for watching and listening.