1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number two holiday edition, 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: President's Day. I hope all of you are having a 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: fantastic start to your weeks, especially if you got to 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: use this day as a vacation day. We are down 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: in Palm Beach tomorrow we will be live from Mara 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: Lago with President Trump right off the top of the show, 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and I guarantee you one of the things that we're 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: going to be talking about him with is everything going 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: on in Canada right now and Buck, throughout the entirety 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: of the weekend, the amount of force brought to bear 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: on truly peaceful protesters who were actually not creating any 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: substantial threat to anyone was off the charts. And there's 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: a couple of things that to me are terribly frustrating 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: and also create a great deal of fear going forward. 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: And that is, first of all, they have seized so 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: many different bank accounts, millions of dollars in bank accounts 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: based on people donating to the Canadian Trucker protest. This 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: is an unprecedented overreach of power that has been embarked 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: upon by Trudeau under his emergency powers acts that he undertook. 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: And the second part of this is Trudeau had two 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: options to me buck really two options here at its essence, 23 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: he could do what a lot of democratic governors have done, 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: look at the data coming out on COVID and make 25 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: a decision to eliminate masks and vaccine mandates and claim victory, 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: even though many of us out there who have been 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: watching this data know that it didn't actually occur, that 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: all of these restrictions led to COVID disappearing. Okay, So 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: that in and of itself was one option, and that's 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: the option that honestly, he is kind of a rational option, 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: even if you don't want to admit you were wrong. 32 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: He chose the other option rather than relent and start 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: to dial back all sorts of issues in Canada and 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: by the way, United Kingdom, Boris Johnson is coming out 35 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: in the near future here and effectively announcing all COVID 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: restrictions are over, even though, by the way, ninety five 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: year old Queen who of course wish Well is evidently 38 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: doing fine with COVID in England right now, handling light duties, yes, 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: still actually working even while she has COVID and the 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: other option he had so he could have been rational. 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: The other option was crush this protest like a totalitarian dictator, 42 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: and he took the second option here, and he's even now, 43 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: I believe we have audio of this book. Even now, 44 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: he's not saying it's over. They're going to treat these 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: protesters like it's January sixth and follow them to the 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: ends of the earth. Listen to this. As I said, 47 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: the Emergencies Act is not something to undertake lightly, and 48 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: it's something that needs to be momentary, temporary, and proportional. 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: That's why every single day I'm receiving briefings and we 50 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: are reflecting on how much longer the Emergencies Act needs 51 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: to be in place. We don't want to keep it 52 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: in place a single day longer than necessary. But even 53 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: though the blockheads are lifted across border openings right now, 54 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: even though things seem to be resolving very well in Ottawa, 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: this state of emergency is not over. There continues to 56 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: be real concerns about the coming days. But we will 57 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: continue to evaluate every single day whether or not it 58 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: is time and we are able to lift this state 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: of emergency. He is the absolute worst, to start with, that. 60 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can make a very strong 61 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: case that he's the worst politician in North America right now. 62 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: And I mean that based on his character and on 63 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: what has happened as a result of his decision, making 64 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: any his or her, any any politician across North America's 65 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: He's an absolute joke to anybody who thinks that Canada 66 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: is a place that values liberty and freedom at any level. 67 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: Justin Trudeau has really made that look like a farce. 68 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: Beyond that, though, Clay, when you see what's happened here, 69 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: there are far reaching implications of this kind of decision. 70 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: You have seen the mobilization of a Western democracy and 71 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: really really our closest ally, I mean almost an adjunct state, 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: America junior, whatever you want to call it, America's top half. Yeah. Yeah, 73 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: you have seen a mobilization of what is effectively either 74 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: counter you could say, counterinsurgency or counter insurrection powers of 75 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: the state to suppress a peaceful political protest. Now, people 76 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: will remember that it wasn't long ago that there were 77 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: actual in this country, not really in Canada so much, 78 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: but in this country there were riots, ongoing riots causing disorder, destruction. 79 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Did they try to burn down a church across from 80 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: the White House, right, I mean, we remember what was 81 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: going on. They're pulling down statues, they were destroying neighborhoods, 82 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 1: burning down police stations, trying to burn down a federal 83 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: courthouse in Portland. And the apparatus of the left was 84 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: furious with the notion, furious with the notion that Trump 85 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: was sending in any additional law enforcement resources, writing that 86 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: was thuggery. Those were you know, jack booted fascions going 87 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: into Portland or DC or wherever. And now look what 88 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 1: Trudeau has done, I mean, clay, They sent guys in 89 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: full on, head to toe tactical gear with long guns 90 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: to pull guys out of trucks who had spent the 91 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: last few days handing out you know, sandwich and playing 92 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: ice hockey in the streets and saying can we go 93 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: back to our normal lives. The mobilization of a state 94 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: of emergency in Canada to break a peaceful protest that 95 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 1: is a righteous protest with demands that should be clear 96 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: to everybody as the way forward is something that I 97 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: think we're gonna, unfortunately, be dealing with the ramifications up 98 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: for a long time. You think they're only going to 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: use it against the truckers. Anytime now there's a protest 100 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: that seems to come from the right, they may decide, oh, 101 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: this is look at the stuff they said, Neo Nazis, 102 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: trumpist insurrection. They lied about the movement in order to 103 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: justify what they did against the movement. It is. I 104 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: don't want to say that America did well with COVID, 105 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: because we certainly didn't. But if you look at New Zealand, 106 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: and you look at Australia, and you look at Canada, 107 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: three countries that I think most Americans pre COVID would 108 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: have characterized as relatively easygoing, relatively moderate in the politics 109 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: and the perspectives that they adopt, they all three lost 110 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: their mind. Frankly, in a way we did not, and 111 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: I think to a large extent that is because of 112 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: our federalism, because we had governors, in particular Rhonda Santis, 113 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: who were willing to look at the data and take risks. 114 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: And while that might have upset the Blue check brigade 115 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: out there, what it did was it encouraged the other 116 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: side of the country, and so we had less of 117 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: a pervasive anger in the United States compared to I 118 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: think what happened in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They 119 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of elevened it bye based on federalism. This is 120 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: why the discussion. You're totally right. I think you said 121 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: this a couple of weeks ago, and I've shared this 122 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: with other folks too, attributing it to you, of course, 123 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: but that where was the American trucker protests for the 124 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: most part, Well, the truckers who live in Texas, and 125 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: the truckers who live in Tennessee, Florida, and the Dakotas 126 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: and you know, Montana and Wyoming, they're like, we're kind 127 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: of okay, you know, you know, they haven't been put 128 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: through the same degree of what you've seen in Canada. 129 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: And I mean, as for those other states you mentioned, 130 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: really the what we used to call the Anglo sphere, 131 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: although people don't just for the English speaking nature of it, 132 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: the US, Canada and New Zealand, Australia, Great Britain, there 133 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: was a madness that COVID unleashed are really a mass hysteria, 134 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: and I do think that it was very much it 135 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: correlated with the degree of socialism in those countries. We 136 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: had thought of socialists in the past is oh, they 137 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: just want free healthcare and well, but there's also a mentality. 138 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: Socialists believe in effectively creating a religion of the state, 139 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: and that if you just give them enough authority and power, 140 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: they will create a de facto utopia. And that means 141 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: that also in the invent of an emergency, the same 142 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: people that believe the government can create perfection think the 143 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: government is in a perfect position to deal with a 144 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, deal with a threat like this, but you 145 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: just have to give it all the authority that it wants. 146 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: So I think that's why you saw countries, you know, 147 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: I do like Australia as East Germany with Koalas, and 148 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: that started to catch on a little bit because I 149 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 1: think it's true. You saw people recognizing that the socialist 150 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: mindset in times of dress lends itself all of a sudden, 151 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: the benevolent authoritarianism of a big government socialist state doesn't 152 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: feel so benevolent anymore. And what's interesting is England today 153 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: is effectively ending all restrictions. Australia has now opened back 154 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: up for tourists. New Zealand is acknowledging that zero COVID 155 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: is no longer a reality, and I believe we were 156 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: talking about during commercial breaks, their COVID cases have now 157 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: surged twenty four thousand percent or something such as that, 158 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: when they stopped being able to isolate themselves and keep 159 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: everyone else from coming in the country. And even with 160 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: Biden as a disastrous leader, I feel in many ways 161 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: as if you compare us to all of those other 162 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: countries that we would ordinarily have considered to be our 163 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: peer group, that things have gone better than we could 164 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: have hoped relative to places like Florida. By the way, 165 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: we got breaking news that's gonna be coming any moment 166 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: as we are talking to you. Vladimir Putin is going 167 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: to be making an announcement about Ukraine on Russian television, 168 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: and reports are we're looking at Fox News right now 169 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: that Putin is going to declare Eastern Ukraine independent, exactly 170 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: what we just talked about Johnskin's. They're gonna say the 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: separatist regions are now effectively part of Russia. They're gonna 172 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: dare the Ukrainian government to do anything. This is analysis, 173 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: that's not the breaking news, But we're an allowed you 174 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: know what. We'll come back into this in a second 175 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: because we're gonna need more time on it. But the 176 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: headline right now up on Fox News Putin to declare 177 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: Eastern Ukraine independent is exactly what we were expecting here 178 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: we talked about in the last hour of the show. 179 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: We'll bring you up to speed on that one. But 180 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, if Putin's supposed to make 181 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: an announcement at any moment, and that is also that 182 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: is also supposed to be reported on shortly. Here he's 183 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: not saying it's pieces. He's not saying it's piece in 184 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: our time, friends, that's for sure. We'll talk more about 185 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: this in a second. 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The declaration here 221 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: is that they are independent and the assumption that goes 222 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: along with this would be and now effectively part of Russia. 223 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: So in much the same way as there was a 224 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: referendum in Crimea to make it a part of the 225 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,119 Speaker 1: Russian Federation, and then there was this in this military 226 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: incursion by Russia into this part of Ukraine back in 227 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, they created a beachhead there for what is 228 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: now the official declaration of the independence of these East 229 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: Eastern Ukrainian breakaway state. Let's now look, it's even the 230 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: language you use here, you'll see it all goes to 231 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: the Russian Mazkarovka, the war through deception component of this 232 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: they want us to be talking about these breakaway This 233 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: is Russia seizing parts of Ukrainian territory effectively, that's what's 234 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: going on. According to Russian TV. Putin has declared Eastern 235 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: Ukraine independent and he has also told his plan to 236 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: EU leaders. We don't have more details on that yet. 237 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: We will, but Clay, here's what I think is happening 238 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: right now. So we've told the headlines, and now the 239 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: next steps are let's say they just leave it at 240 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: We'll call it the Dunbas Eastern Ukraine. If they just 241 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: have this now as part of Russia, the Russian military, 242 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: the Russian military situation around Ukrainian borders is such that 243 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: they could still deal some kind of a knockout blow 244 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: to the Ukrainian military if they choose to do so. 245 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: So this may essentially be a provocation to get some 246 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: kind of response from the Ukrainian government, because let's say 247 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: Ukrainian military goes into dun Boss and says these are 248 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: not this is this doesn't fly. Then the Russians go 249 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: in and say you're attacking Russian speakers, you're not, you know, 250 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: you're violating their sovereignty, and it just becomes this big 251 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: mess of lies. That's one possibility. The other possibilities of 252 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: Russians don't even wait for that kind of a movement 253 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: from the Ukrainian government create a false flag inside of 254 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: and we're talking about the Russians, by the way, they 255 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: do do false flags. That's not this not conspiracy stuff. 256 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: They've done false flags in checking you now, they do 257 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: false flags. But Clay, I think that's another possibility where 258 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: they'll act like they are just waiting and they just 259 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: want these regions, and then if there's some kind of 260 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: a conflagration, they say, oh, they forced our hands. And 261 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: the question that will be out there is how long 262 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: does this form? If if Ukraine is going to accede 263 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: in some way to the loss of this territory and 264 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: they have been fighting there since like twenty fourteen, right, so, 265 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean this has been a tumultuous region to say 266 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: the least already. To what extent does this end this story? 267 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: How long does this will he or won't he element 268 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: of the Ukrainian invasion continue in the wake of this. 269 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: If again Putin is going to declare Eastern Ukraine independent, 270 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: theoretically then all of Eastern Ukraine becomes a part of Russia. 271 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: If that occurs, are we talking about this border region 272 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: continuing to be on tenter hooks for years to come 273 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: or does this dial back the tension here and lead 274 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: to a resolution for both sides in some form or fashion. 275 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: Think about what we would see. Let's assume that it 276 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: stops more or less here, and that the dun Boss 277 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: or something roughly analogous to the dun Boss, which is 278 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: really the eastern and eastern region of Ukraine, obviously all 279 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: along the Russian border Clay, they could just say Putin 280 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: could say this is it, let's leave it here. And 281 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: what he would have is essentially in the eyes of 282 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: not just Putin the Kremlin and the people support him 283 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: from within the military complex there, but from his supporters 284 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: inside of Russia, he will have stared down Ato and 285 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: taken a chunk of lost territory without really any I mean, 286 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: there's been some shelling and minor no significant loss of 287 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: life or material. He will just have said I am Putin, 288 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: hear me, you know, hear me or else and taken 289 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: off a big chunk of Ukraine without having to actually 290 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: even go to war. That I think where we are 291 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: right now, is he will Is that actually sufficient? Well? 292 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: I think and for a lot of people out there, 293 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: how would the Biden administration respond to this? They probably 294 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: would let Russia, in theory take this small region of 295 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: eastern Ukraine and then hope that this thing just goes away. Yeah, 296 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I mean right, I mean, because the last thing they 297 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: want is this to linger. They'll put maybe they'll put 298 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: some sanctions on it and things like that. It doesn't 299 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: remind me for those who remember the great Tom Clancy 300 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: in Debt of Honor, if I recall, the whole point 301 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: is that the Japanese and an imperial Japanese resurgent right 302 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: wing Japanese military strike to take back lost territory from 303 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: World War Two, and their whole thing is where they're 304 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: going to take it so fast, Clay that why fight 305 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: over it once it's been taken? And it reminds me 306 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: a little bit what's going on here? Why why it's 307 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: already done? Guys? Why fight over this with us? That's 308 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: the idea of that. Well, and then the other thing 309 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: you have to worry about is the precedent that's being 310 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: set on Taiwan, because China certainly is watching this closely 311 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: to see how we respond in this situation. One Mike Lindell, 312 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: he invented my pillow, folks. He is a great American 313 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and his products are phenomenal. Okay, You've got 314 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: to try these slippers. The one thing I'm mad at myself. 315 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: I didn't bring my slippers on the road be down 316 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: here to Florida. But I've got them sitting right by 317 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: my bed at home. They're amazing. They're so comfortable. 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We are 328 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: down in Palm Beach on this President's Day, getting ready 329 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: to be with former President Trump forty five himself tomorrow 330 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: at Marlago right off the top of the show at 331 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: noon Eastern. Encourage you to be there hanging out with us. 332 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: We are right now awaiting official word from Vladimir Putin 333 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: about what he is going to do. Reports are that 334 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: he has notified people that he is going to declare 335 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: Eastern Ukraine to be independent, which would then theoretically allow 336 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: Russia to take over those parts of Eastern Ukraine as 337 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: a part of Russia. So we will bring you the 338 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: absolute latest as that happens. We are obviously monitoring that 339 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: closely as the show is progressing. But Buck, there a 340 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: couple of ridiculous stories that happened over the weekend that 341 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to hit you with and first, and I 342 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: can't believe that this is not becoming a bigger story now, 343 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: although it is starting to cross over outside of just 344 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: people who have functional brains. We had a transgender swimmer 345 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: at the University of Pennsylvania one four different IVY League championships, Buck, 346 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: four different IVY League championships, And if you haven't paid 347 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: attention to this story, we're talking about a man who 348 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: swam for three years on the University of Pennsylvania's team 349 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: and then decides to become a woman and now is 350 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: poised with the NCAA Championships coming up in a few weeks, 351 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: to potentially become the greatest women's in quotation, Mark Swimmer 352 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: of all time, and we have such identity politics colliding here. Buck. 353 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: You have Democrats whose predominant base to a large extent 354 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: is female voters, and so they don't want to offend 355 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: women who might enjoy competition. I know a ton of 356 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: you out there, dads and moms are seething over a 357 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: story like this, so they're pretending it doesn't exist. Simultaneously, 358 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: they're not saying, hey, men are bigger, stronger, and faster 359 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: than women. Just because you decide to become a woman 360 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: and start taking whatever drugs are necessary in order for 361 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: that to occur. It doesn't make you not over six 362 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: feet tall, or have bigger hands and feet and be 363 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: better at swimming than a woman would be, which is 364 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: what men are. He's effectively had almost ten years of 365 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: nature's testosterone therapy already. Let's be honest about this, right, 366 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: His biochemistry has been such that he has been receiving 367 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: as any male listening to this would be receiving the 368 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: benefits of male biochemistry when it comes to size, strength, speed, 369 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: and those issues. You know one thing that this brings 370 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: to bear here, Clay, because it is fascinating and you've 371 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: you've been reminding me of just how the sports media 372 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: pretend it doesn't exist, should be doing backflips about how amazing, 373 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: what a moment of huge progress. This is right. You'll 374 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: notice that when it came to the first I believe 375 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: was it the first transgender cabinet level official that was 376 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: or maybe a state level I think was state level 377 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: official in Pennsylvania, the health official, it was a huge story. 378 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: Everybody was it, how significant it was, you know, breaking 379 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: a glass ceiling of sorts or whatever, however they want 380 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: to frame it. If this is a good thing, they 381 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: should view this as an enormously positive story they want 382 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: to tell all over the place. They know that this 383 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: is an issue where I think, honestly eighty to ninety 384 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: percent of the country is just saying I think it's 385 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I think it is crazy. This is This is not 386 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: anywhere near a fifty fifty. This is not a Democrat 387 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: Republican issue. This is a sane versus insane issue. And 388 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: it does, though, remind me of how you have to 389 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: see a lot of this starts with and even conservatives 390 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: fault for this. It's about being polite. Let's just be polite, 391 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: Let's use the preferred pronouns, let's be included we don't 392 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: want any new feel but and I do think that 393 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: conservatives have culturally a desire for politeness and for courtesy 394 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: that has often used against us in these things, Like 395 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want anyone to feel bad. I 396 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: want people to feel good. I want people to feel 397 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: safe and you know, have a good day and all 398 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: the rest of it. But it's not courteous to make 399 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: twelve year old girls get undressed in their locker room 400 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: with twelve of your boys. It's not polite, it's not okay, 401 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: it's not courteous, which is a new policy. It's not 402 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: courteous to have female swimmers getting annihilated by someone who's 403 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: a biological male. I mean, what ends up happening is 404 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: if you don't see this for what it is in 405 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: the early stages. You know, courtesy cannot be at the 406 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: expense of truth. Politeness cannot be at the expense of truth. 407 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: And that's what you see in the transgender issue in sports. 408 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: All the time. I keep coming back to a quote 409 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: that an anonymous member of this Penn swimming team gave 410 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: to one of our writers, Joe Kenzie at OutKick, and 411 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: that swimmer said, and I'm paraphrasing her that she hopes 412 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: when she is married and has children of her own, 413 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: that she has boys, because women's sports are going to 414 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: cease to exist in many ways if tons of transgender 415 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: male athletes decide to become a part of women's sports. 416 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, this doesn't go the other direction, right, 417 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: because a woman who decides to become a man is 418 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: never going to be able to compete at the highest level, 419 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: So it isn't the same level of it's not an 420 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: attack upon the direct competitive spirit itself. But this is 421 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: to me a monstrously huge story that is being to 422 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: a large extent ignore because it provides an inconvenient lesson 423 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 1: which is biology still matters, and even men who decide 424 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: to become women are by far better. And look, the 425 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: analogy that I've used for a long time to to 426 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: sort of demonstrate the difference between men's and women's sports 427 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: is what goes on when you look at the state 428 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: of Texas. For instance, Buck, every single Texas high school 429 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: state champion recently was faster than high school boy, faster 430 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: than the fastest woman who's ever existed. Think about how 431 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: crazy it is. We're talking about sixteen seventeen eighteen year 432 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: old boys, all of them are faster than the fastest 433 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: woman that's ever existed. And yet at some level we 434 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: all know that's that's the reality. You know, you're giving 435 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: the data. We all understand though we've all seen men's 436 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: and women's sports. We've we've seen the differences and you know, 437 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: speed and strength, and there's a reason why we have, 438 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, segregated sports by sex as long as we have. 439 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: But this does also go to I think that when 440 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: who are the less just that push this, it's important 441 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: to think about why they push us, why they believe 442 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: it said, for some this is an issue of a 443 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: virtue signaling. They don't really understand the issue, they don't care, 444 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: and even privately they may say yeah, it's kind of unfair, 445 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: but publicly they want all the all the trappings of wokeness. 446 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I'm in favor of this, although there 447 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: are very few people who speak out forcefully who aren't 448 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: activists you know about this stuff. But you know, the 449 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: the left in this country, clay thinks that reality is 450 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: a construct. I mean, this goes to the center of 451 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: their ideology. They think that reality is a construct itself 452 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: and they can change reality based upon their desire, based 453 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: upon their political mobilization, and if they can get you 454 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: to affirm what is untrue in this case, I think 455 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: they view it as a door to make you affirm 456 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: other things that are untrue as well. It's confusing to 457 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: you when you're made to say things that you leado 458 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: if I said it made you repeat things that are untrue. 459 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: Eventually you start to think what is true. And that's 460 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: part of what the left gains out of this. And 461 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: there's doubt and also being afraid to say what the 462 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: truth is. It's not only saying things that are untrue, 463 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: it's being afraid to oppose this, which is where almost 464 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: everyone is right now as it pertains to this story, 465 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: which I think is going to continue to become a 466 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: bigger issue because there's the possibility here that this transgender 467 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: male swimmer is going to become the greatest college women's 468 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: swimmer of all time here in the next few weeks. 469 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: Already IVY League record books being rewritten by a man 470 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: that decided to become a woman. 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Putin is talking right now about 506 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: the area of eastern Ukraine that has been the site 507 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: of Russian incursion, invasion and the creation of two separatists 508 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: non recognized separatists republics of Luhansk and Donets. This area 509 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: in the eastern part of Ukraine, the far eastern part 510 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: of Ukraine is known as the Dunbas. And right now 511 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: we're hearing from Vladimir Putin, as it seems he is 512 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: declaring independence of these regions. Now, this is a much 513 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: lesser right now escalation than what was perhaps thought would 514 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: be happening if we had the opening of hostilities. Given 515 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: the size of the Russian military force arrayed along Ukraine's borders. 516 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that this won't escalate very rapidly, though. 517 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: What will the Ukrainian government do in response? Clay, there 518 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: is a very real chance, as we see this unfolding, 519 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: that Putin essentially created a situation where this will look 520 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: like Remember there was all this talk about by putting 521 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: all of the soldiers, putting all the military assets in place, 522 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: maybe it was a headfake to get concessions. Well, maybe 523 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: he put them all in place, because the head fake 524 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: in a sense is a massive invasion when the actual 525 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: desire is to just take this eastern portion, and it 526 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: will seem to everybody like well, at least this didn't 527 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: turn into open conflict and warfare the way that we thought. 528 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: So this may defang again this is we don't know yet, 529 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: We don't know what their future plans are, but as 530 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: it stands right now, this could be a move by 531 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: Putin to out maneuver and outplay the European and American response, 532 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: because if it's not open war, if it's just the 533 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: declaration of this official recognition, and the Ukrainian government doesn't 534 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: move against them and the Russians don't escalate, then this 535 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: becomes a day factor reality in the ground. They've been 536 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: giving out Russian passports in this region four weeks already, 537 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: so they're creating a reality on the ground of these 538 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: are Russian speakers and Russian citizens and we leave it there. 539 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: That's what could be happened. And to be fair, a 540 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: lot of these people might well prefer to be Russian 541 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: right in the border region. I mean something like eighty 542 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: five percent consider themselves to be of Russian ethnic origin 543 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: as opposed to Ukrainian. And so if he has been 544 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: selling the idea of I'm going to take over the 545 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: whole country and provoking all of this, all of this 546 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: fear that this was going to spiral into something far larger, 547 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: and then ultimately this is the price to pay. I mean, really, 548 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: the question is how is Ukraine going to respond now? Right? 549 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: Do they have any recourse here? Because I can't imagine 550 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: that they are very appreciative on having part of this 551 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: part of their territory just taken away, and the question 552 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: is is this going to be enough or is this 553 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: a prelude to something more significant going forward. But again 554 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: as we are as we are watching, will eventually have 555 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: official translation of this. But Putin has been declaring independence 556 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: for parts of Ukraine, and we need to check and see. 557 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: The other thing I was going to check buck is 558 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: what is the reaction of the stock market in general, 559 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: because initially on reports of this potentially occurring, the obviously 560 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: the stock market is closed today for President's Day, I believe, 561 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: but the futures on the stock market had declined pretty 562 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: precipitously in the last hour or so as people became 563 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: aware of what might be taking place. So there is 564 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: something of a playbook for this. The Russians have run 565 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: this before at the very end of the Bush administration. 566 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: So you're going back to now, I think what was 567 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: in August two thousand and eight, you had this escalation 568 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: that in a region of Georgia, the country of Georgia 569 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: where you had breakaway republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, 570 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: and the Russians did it was very similar. There were 571 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: some shelling and some we need to step in here 572 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: to protect the Russian speakers in the region, and you 573 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: had these little breakaway republics. And keep in mind that 574 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: the Russians effectively got their way and got away with this. 575 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: This is what actually ended up. This is this was 576 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: from their perspective of success. So it is not really 577 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: surprising that there is a similar campaign going on here, 578 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: or a similar play, it seems being made. As Putin 579 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: is officially declaring now, as he said, as Fox is 580 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: translating this u you know, the western news outlets of 581 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: translating this in real time. Putin has declared and he 582 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: says that Ukraine has always been a part of Russia, 583 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: that these eastern regions are now independent, Lohanska, Donetsk, Fastening Clay. 584 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: There has been some reporting on in the past who 585 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: were who were some of the top officials of these 586 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: non recognized now recognized by Vladimir Putin, of course, breakaway republics. 587 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: There was actually a dog catcher and a former mall 588 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: Santa that were running the governments in essence or at 589 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: the very top of the governments of these breakaway republics. 590 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: The point here being the Russia are running them. They 591 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: just found local people to pretend to be the Russian puppets, 592 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: if you will, and try to get all this set 593 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: up for what we're seeing right now. Do you believe 594 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: this lessons or increases tension going forward based on this 595 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: news happening literally as we are talking at this moment, 596 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: is it your indication of because I'm looking at the 597 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: stock market. The stock market is down around two percent, 598 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: the nasdak is, the TAO is down a little bit 599 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: over a percent. Obviously that's not those aren't monster moves, 600 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: but it suggests discomfort with what's going on. So you 601 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: could look at what did we do in response to Crimea, 602 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: What do we do in response to Abkhazia and South Ossetia? 603 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: What are we do in response to the initial incurasion 604 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: in Eastern Ukraine? Some sanctions, but did we do was there? 605 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: When I say we, by the way, let's prefer to it, 606 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: I don't just me in America, I mean in NATO, Europe, 607 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: the West, not a whole lot clay. If it stops here. 608 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: If it stops here, yeah, they'll be sank, they'll be 609 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: diplomatic wrangling. But Putin gets this part of Ukraine back 610 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: for the Russian Federation without actually having to fight which 611 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: is a huge win for him. So what are what 612 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: are the responses going to be here? Diplomatic and sanctions? 613 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: That's it. Obviously, no one's suggesting right now in this 614 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: country NATO is going to go in and do anything 615 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: about these breakaway republics. If they leave it here, Putin 616 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: might walk away with a win. But then the question 617 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: is how long lasting? How long is that last? What's 618 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: the next stop? Is he? You know, is the alligator 619 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: going to want to bite off more of Ukraine next? 620 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: That's the problem the Russian bearers. The case may be 621 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: that that's the question that will be faced with. But 622 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: if he if it stops right here, man, this might 623 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: be Putin out playing as Western counterparts and getting his 624 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: way like a cunning thug. We'll have to see. We 625 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: got Rand Paul Senta Ram Paul joining us here in 626 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: a few minutes. We'll ask him about this, by the way, 627 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 1: because Centator Rampaul is always a sound mind on foreign 628 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: policy matters. What's going on in Ukraine as he sees it, 629 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: plus the CDC and Fauci, you know that's gonna be fun. 630 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: Stick around for it.