1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck, and Jerry is on standby on our 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: phone ready for any issue to arise. We're supposed to 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: text her. And of course that makes this stuff you 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: should know, the too much information addition, that's right. And 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: you didn't even say a dish, A dish. I know, 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: I'm growing up. Look at me. So how are you 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: doing good? How are you good as well? Good? So, Chuck, 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this one for a number of reasons. One, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: we get to take a really standard, universally understood um 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: part of American history and smash it to bits and 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: explain how it really happened and what it really was 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: and what really went on. I love history stuff like that, 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: don't you? I do? Uh? And this is a good 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: one because it is. Uh. If you're like someone who 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: enjoys watching Jeopardy or playing in any sort of trivia 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: nights or trivia games, trivial pursuit stuff usually no trivial 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: pursuit Yeah, available everywhere. Uh, this is just get info. 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: I feel like these kind of questions. It's the Louisiana 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: Purchase is just such sort of a softball kind of 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: thing for trivia games. And I don't mean that it's easy. 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I just mean there's just so much in there, and 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: it's not like people go like, well, how am I 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: supposed to know about the Louisiana Purchase. Like it reshaped 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: America in ways or the United States rather in ways 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: that were just the tendrils just kept going and kept going. Yeah, 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: you can make a really good case that it helps 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: shape the world, because you know, it was the thing 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: that jumps started the United States into UM, I guess 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: the the initiation of it as a up and coming 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: world power, because yeah, we doubled our sur fas area 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: and size the United States did. UM and I saw 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: like and chuck to the Declaration of Independence and the 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: Constitution and that's where the that's where the list ended. 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: They basically said, those three things are the most important 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: parts of early American history that helped make the country. UM. 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of like really interesting stuff to it. 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: But there's also like a lot of the history that 40 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: just isn't talked about, doesn't get focused on enough, And like, 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: what's one of the really good things about like living 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: in the twenty centuries, Like we're really starting to examine 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: that stuff more and we're taking these really kind of um, 44 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, primary and basic and kind of watered down 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: versions of historical events and like really kind of bringing 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: them to life for better for worse. Yeah, I mean 47 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: it's not every day that a new, burgeoning nation can 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to acquire about eight hundred and fifty 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: thousand square miles uh, not acres square miles uh and 50 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: acquire are as we'll see more like the right to 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: acquire more like the right to kind of take Yeah, 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: which is what Oh, I know what you mean. I've 53 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: done the research. I know where you're going with that. Well, 54 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: should we go back then to how the name Luisiana Louisiana. 55 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: It sounds Italian when I say it, Yeah, I don't 56 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: think that's how it said. It's really French though, right, yeah, Louisian. Yeah. 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Exactly what was going on was there were people in France. 58 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people are from France rather uh, 59 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: and in fact they were bold enough to call it 60 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: new France. Uh. This was King Louis the what would 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: that be? Yes? Read, I'm brushing up on my Roman numerals, 62 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: and King Louis said, all right, Mr French explorer, I'm 63 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: gonna let my friend Josh over here to my right 64 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: to pronounce your name. Let me try Rene Robert Valier, 65 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Sir de la Salle. Quite a name. But Louis said, hey, dude, um, 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: you've got authority to explore all the the western part 67 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: of this area I called New France. You got a 68 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: monopoly on trade there on Buffalo hides. Go knock yourself out. 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: Licel did just that in two floated down the Mighty 70 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico and said, you know what, 71 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, all of this area it belongs 72 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: to France, and I'm gonna name it after h the 73 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: gentleman who handed over my charter. I guess uh. And 74 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: it was with an E at the time, Louisian, Louis Louisian. 75 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why the Italian keeps bobbing up the 76 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: land of Louis. It was basically they added in l 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: A at the beginning and then switched out the A 78 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: for an E, or you know, it would later become Louisiana. 79 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's Louisiane iced tea bags are a 80 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: nod to is it spelled with ane? Yeah, a n 81 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: any I think and they take the eye out. It's 82 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: all messed up. I read somewhere chuck that um that 83 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: Cavellier when he got to the um delta of the 84 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: Mississippi River where it hit the Gulf of Mexico, he 85 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: like located the indigenous people that lived around there and 86 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: read a proclamation to them. It's basically he said, hey, um, 87 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: can you stand still while I read this? And he proclaimed, 88 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: like you said that whole area belonging to King Louis 89 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: and they're just sitting there like, what are you talking about? 90 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: Were so? But this was how um, this part of 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: the world, this part of North America was settled. It 92 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: was by the French and um they figured that. And 93 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: I mean this was an enormous swath of of territory 94 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: from Canada down to the Gulf of Mexico, from the 95 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 1: west of the Mississippi River all the way to anyone 96 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: knows how. Yeah, you just go as far as you want. 97 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: No one had any idea what was over that way 98 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: except for until you ran into the Spanish and California. 99 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure they were there yet. So um 100 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: that that's how the English, um, the Dutch who were 101 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: up in New York, the French, the Spanish, how all 102 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: of these world powers that were running around North America 103 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: viewed the whole thing. And that was frances And so 104 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,559 Speaker 1: France said, all right, awesome, let's exploit this. We're gonna 105 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: make just a staggering amount of money, and I'm going 106 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: to let this one particular person. Uh. In seventeen twelve, 107 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Antoine crazat Um have the the charter to basically develop 108 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: this territory into New France. Like we called it kind 109 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: of prematurely. Yeah, that they he didn't get a lot 110 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: of support from France. Uh, they kind of handed this 111 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: over to him, and like you said, it was such 112 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: a big area, like it was just too unwieldy basically 113 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: to control and maintain and try to manage. And he 114 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: lost a ton of money. I think it only took 115 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: it took less than five years when he went back 116 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: to the king and said, you know what, I appreciate 117 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: the charter, but with all due respect, I would like 118 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: to be released from it. And you know that was fine. 119 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: He was released from the charter, but the French expeditions 120 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: kind of continued there for a while, but it was 121 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: sort of um, you know, they were outnumbered. They were uh. 122 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: The settlements were sparse, mostly still indigenous Americans populating the 123 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: area until seventeen sixty two when the Seven Years War 124 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: happened and France said, you know what, this territory is 125 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: now going to belong to Spain. But Spain didn't really 126 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: know what to do with it either, right, No, they 127 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: had I think even less of a presence in UM 128 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: in this I guess Louisiana territory than the French did. 129 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: I saw that even when Spain kind of ruled this 130 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: area as far as the European powers were concerned for 131 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: thirty seven years, there were more French officials calling the 132 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: shots there then there were Spanish officials, and um, I 133 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: think they were the greatest minority of all. The greatest 134 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: majority were the indigenous tribes in the area. But then 135 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: as far as Europeans went, you had Um English, you 136 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: had a lot of French people, you had UM, a 137 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: lot of people who had come down from Um Canada, 138 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: the Acadians who went on to become the Cajuns. They 139 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: were living in the area at the time. Um, and 140 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: it was just kind of uh. Spain was just they 141 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: just had the thing, they owned it, they weren't doing 142 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: much with it. Yeah, so they tried here and there too, 143 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: not you know, uh to not excellent results. There was 144 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: a colonial governor named Don Antonio del uh Ulloa. I 145 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: guess will that be right? I think? And he said, 146 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: all right, you know, we own this place technically, guys, 147 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: so I'd like to try to enforce some of our 148 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: rules if you don't mind about trade. And the French 149 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: leaders there said, yes, we very much do mind because 150 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: you're not calling the shots around here, despite the fact 151 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: that you quote unquote owned this land. So they revolted 152 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: drove him out of the colony. In seventeen uh, Spain 153 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: was able to quash that rebellion get a new governor 154 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: in there. I guess. I guess they were hoping with 155 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: a little more backbone, uh, and started saying like, hey, 156 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, fellow Spaniards, why don't you go and settle 157 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: that land, like we got all this great land. Please 158 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: go there and farm and try and you know, sort 159 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: of steak our claim. Yeah, it took also one of 160 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: the reasons that they they took so long to encourage 161 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: people to go do that and just kind of just 162 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: approached the whole thing with like it was just kind 163 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: of there was because to the Spanish, the Louisiana Territory 164 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: was a buffer between the English and then later on 165 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: the Americans to the east and their territory Texas, Mexico, California, 166 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: all that to the west. Um, and it was a 167 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: really just a nice little kind of no man's land 168 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: that Spain owned so that they could be like, you 169 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: need to get out, But they were more interested in 170 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: it for the this the kind of distance put between 171 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: the English and then the Americans and the Spanish colonies. Yeah, 172 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: so it served a purpose to them, even if they 173 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: weren't as intent on you know, settling it, I guess right. 174 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: And then so as far as the Americans were concerned, 175 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: when when America became a country, by the time eighteen 176 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: hundred rolled around, and think that was the year that 177 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: Jefferson was elected, and Jefferson kind of approached the whole 178 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: thing with We're totally cool Spain owns, uh, the Louisiana Territory. 179 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: We're okay with that right now, Spain's letting us use 180 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: the Mississippi. It's letting us use the Port of New Orleans. 181 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: It's letting us use the warehouses in the Port of 182 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: New Orleans. These were really big deals because that was 183 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: how you got stuff out to Europe. In North America 184 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: was basically out of the Port of New Orleans. UM 185 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: for a lot of stuff, right, especially the Midwestern stuff. UM. 186 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: And as long as things were like that, it was 187 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: all good. But Jefferson was very smart and he was like, 188 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: there's a really good chance that things are not going 189 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: to remain the same for very long. And he was right, Boy, 190 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: that sounds like a great cliffhanger, I think, so all right, well, 191 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: let's take a break. We'll be right back. Jefferson is 192 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: feeling his oats. He thinks he can tell the future. 193 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: And as Josh said, he was kind of right, and 194 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: will explore that right after this, Chuck, that was a 195 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: heck of a lead up. I didn't think I was 196 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna quit talking for a second. Just the whole podcast 197 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: spills out of your mouth from that point on, all right, 198 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: and you're just sitting there like I thought we were 199 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: taking over him. Uh so this is like the end 200 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: of the eighteenth century. Uh, Spain is not doing so hot. 201 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: Financially because of just kind of constant warring in Europe 202 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: for you know, many hundreds of years. Oh dude, it 203 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: was really bad that century. It was a bad century 204 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: for the European powers. Yeah. So, I mean it's just 205 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: a money drain on everyone. So Spain is hurting financially, 206 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: and in just before the turn of the century, in 207 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: sev Napoleon uh seizes control in France and he says, 208 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's you know what Napoleon wanted to do. 209 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: He wanted to rule the world the Andi Christ well exactly. 210 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: So part of that, you know, obviously would include the 211 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: America's and that's not just you know, Louis Louisiana territory, 212 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: but like all of the America's Central America down to 213 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: South America. And so uh he tried to do so. 214 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: In eighteen hundred, they uh signed a secret treaty with 215 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: Spain called the Third Treaty of San Il Defonso. Got 216 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: it again, buddy, you're on a rule. And the Louisiana territory, 217 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: which included New Orleans of course, came back to France 218 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: and said, here you go, Spain, um will help you 219 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: out with your money problems. And I understand, the nephew 220 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: of the Queen of Spain wants some area that to 221 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: call his own, so you can have a trucial Etruria 222 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: in Italy which is now I think Tuscany, Lazio and Umbria. 223 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: They're in central Italy. And they said great, thank you 224 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: so much. Yeah. So Spain says like a black check dealer, 225 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: as like I'm out of the Louisiana territory, and Frances like, yes, 226 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: we've got it back. And from what I understand, Napoleon 227 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: UM viewed this largely as a shipping, a storage and 228 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: shipping and exporting center. New Orleans was like the crown 229 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: jewel of Louisiana territory, but he viewed it more as 230 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: a um and assist to the real gem in the 231 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: French Empire, which was Saint Domain, which is now called Haiti, 232 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: which was one of the most profitable plots of earth 233 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: on Earth at the time. I read Chuck that Saint 234 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: doming Um, and I've looked at up. I'm pretty surelet's 235 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: tell you say it, Um, you're right before the before 236 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: the revolt, and I believe eighteen hundred um. They were 237 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: just the taxes alone that were paid by the goods 238 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: that were produced there is equal to twelve billion dollars 239 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: in US dollars today. Yeah, and that was just the 240 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: taxes that were being paid, let alone all the productivity. 241 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: So Napoleon viewed the Louisiana into territory is like the 242 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: place that all that stuff could come to and then 243 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: spread out to the rest of the world. Um. That 244 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: was how we viewed it. Um. The other thing that 245 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: about the French having it is that Jefferson was like, man, 246 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: this is not good because we've got really good stuff 247 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: going on with the Spanish letting us use the Mississippi 248 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: River and the Port of New Orleans, and I don't 249 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: think the French are going to do that. And he 250 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: turned out to be right, yeah, because they, like you said, 251 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: they had a sweet deal going. Uh. The one thing 252 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: we didn't mention was that part of the agreement with 253 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: Spain because you know, they still wanted that offer uh 254 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: to be intact. So they you know, said, France can 255 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: have it back, but like, you can't give it away 256 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: or sell it to anybody else. Okay, Napoleon, do you 257 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: will you shake on that? And he said sure, My 258 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: word is my word is my bond. So that was 259 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: a big important part of it. Uh. Like you said, 260 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: Jefferson is getting a little bit nervous because New Orleans 261 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: was very important to us as well. At the time, 262 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: tensions are mounting. Uh. In eight ten o two, Spain 263 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: revokes those rights that they had previously given us traders 264 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: uh in New Orleans. And they were like, wait a minute. 265 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: You said you could keep our stuff here and use 266 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: these warehouses. They said, not so much anymore. And Jefferson said, 267 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: Napoleon he's behind all this. I know, he is that 268 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: little stubby uh runt. He's trying to keep this clean. 269 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: It's really hard when I'm doing Jefferson, because you know 270 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: that guy, yeh, potty mouth. So he said, this is 271 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: all on Napoleon. I bet and I bet you anything 272 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: that they're gonna shut everything down soon. And so you know, 273 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: this got people, um pretty upset. In the early United States, 274 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: there were people that said, no, let's let's take it 275 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: back by force. There was a senator in Pennsylvania named 276 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: James Ross who was very big on that and lobby 277 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: for Jefferson to send actual, an actual army down there 278 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: of fifty men too, to take this land. Because there 279 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: was a big deal. You know, oh, it's a huge deal. Um. 280 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: Other the Federalist Party said no, you know, screw that, 281 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: Let's just succeed and let's form our own nation, which 282 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: includes New Orleans. And so things were getting really up 283 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: to sort of like a fever pitch about whether or 284 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: not the United States was gonna have access to this 285 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: territory for shipping. Right. Um, before we continue, Chuck, I 286 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: want to show you a little magic trick. You ready, 287 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: m I'm going to I'm going to delete a thousand 288 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: email drafts right now. What you call Napoleon a runt? 289 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: And he actually was average size. He was, he was 290 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: it's a big it's a big deal, and it was. 291 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: It all came down to a difference between the French 292 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: foot and the English foot. There's a mistranslation, and so 293 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: he was actually like five eleven. That's right. I'm not 294 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: trying to correct you. I'm just trying to those from 295 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: those emails. I knew that. But what my point is, Jefferson, 296 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: I've seen his diaries. He very much called him a runt. 297 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: Whether or not he was average sized or not, did 298 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: he really wow? Well, Also, Jefferson was like I think 299 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: nine and a half feet tall, so he would have 300 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: considered someone five eleven a run anyone under seven feets all, 301 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: it was a pretty small person. To Jefferson, Yeah, yeah, 302 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: for sure. So, um, because of the Haitian Revolution, uh, 303 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: like Hatie became the first black run country, um outside 304 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: of Africa in the world because there was a slave revolt, 305 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: and it was I mean, that's an enormous deal. Even 306 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: in retrospective at the time it was it was like 307 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: earth shattering for for Europe because you know, France was 308 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: making so much money off of this, but you know 309 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: it was having a trickling outward effect on all the 310 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: other countries as well, who were really benefiting from this 311 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: incredibly productive forced slave labor um. And so when that stopped, 312 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: it had a really huge effect on the economy. And 313 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: to Napoleon it was like, well, then what's the point 314 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: of Louisiana territory anymore? If it was just a supporting 315 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: character for Saint doming And now Saint Domag is now 316 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: Haiti and we don't have any interest in it anymore. Um, like, 317 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: there's no point in owning the Louisiana territory. And he 318 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: started stroking his chin and he thought, first he thought 319 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: I should grow a soul patch. And then after that 320 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: he said, what is a soul patch? And then the 321 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: third thing he thought at that moment was I'm gonna 322 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: sell New France the Louisiana territory to the Americans. Yeah. 323 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean the other reason too, is like he was 324 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: mad with power, but he also had a lot of 325 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: irons in the fire, and Louisiana was a long ways away, 326 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: so he was like, you know, and also to take 327 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: on like more warring now way over there. It's like 328 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm spread a little bit thin, even though I am. Uh, 329 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: everyone knows an average height, right, And everyone nodded and 330 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: said yes, yes, yes, And he's like, in history will 331 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: view me that way, right, it's just an average height person, Yes, sir, 332 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: absolutely sir. And he said okay, he said, so selling 333 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: it won't make me look short, and they nope, not 334 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: at all. He said, okay, well we'll proceed. Then I 335 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: saw he also thought, chuck that it would be really 336 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: great to basically help a fledgling nation become a really 337 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: big nation freshly balance out and temper well more more, 338 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: to be an enemy of his enemy, which was and 339 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: to kind of give the Brits or run for their money. 340 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: So he did all these things in one master stroke, 341 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: which was selling the Louisiana territory. The boy looking. I mean, 342 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: things were just wild back then, with uh world shaping stuff. 343 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: I would argue that still goes on today, not like that. 344 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: No really, I mean, do you do you think NATO's 345 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: fighting a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine right now? 346 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: So I would say, so, yeah, well, yeah, I mean, 347 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: these things happen. I'm just saying it seemed like back 348 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: then it was happening everywhere, all at once. No, yeah, 349 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: I still I still think that happens today. I don't 350 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: know that not everywhere all at once. Like Canada is 351 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: not at war with the US to try and take territory. 352 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: And Canada's greatest trick is convincing the world that they're 353 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: laid back? Are they? Are they laying in? Wait? Oh boy, 354 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: that's all we need? Yeah? A million guns chuck, That's 355 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: all I have to say. All right, So this is 356 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: um let's call it eighteen oh you, because that was 357 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: the year that it was. And Jefferson and you know, Jeffy, 358 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: it takes a long time to get word about stuff. 359 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: As I realized when I was creating this UM Jefferson 360 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: doesn't know, you know that Napoleon's has this plan to 361 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: sell us territory back, or not back to us, but 362 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: to us. So he orders our minister to France, Robert Livingston, 363 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: to go to France to their foreign minister and say 364 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: his last name is tally Ran, great name, and say, hey, listen, 365 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: we'd like to put a stop to the acquisition of 366 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: the territory from Spain unless it's already finalized. And in 367 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: the back of the set he was like, if it 368 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: is finalized, you know, maybe go over uh and see 369 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: if you can buy New Orleans. See if they'll put 370 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: New Orleans up for sale. Okay, I'll go over there. 371 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: And he took uh he took a future president with him, 372 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: right or was he former president? Future? I think we 373 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: only had Yeah, I always get the order mixed up 374 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: there in the early days. I think Jefferson was the third. 375 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: I really hope Jefferson was the third, but yeah, James 376 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: Monroe went along to help Livingston too, and UM they 377 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: they started negotiating. UM. They were authorized to spend up 378 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: to ten million dollars and they started negotiating with UM. 379 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: A guy named Barbe Marbois Francois Barbe Marbois, and he 380 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: was a politician. I don't think he was the foreign minister, 381 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: because I think tally Rand was the foreign minister, right, 382 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: tally Rand was the foreign minister. Correct, Okay, So so 383 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: Barbe Marbois was a politician who was close to Napoleon, 384 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: who was instructed to basically broker the steal. And then 385 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: tally Rand came along and and said I'm going to 386 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: help out too, And so as they started to talk 387 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: and negotiate, I think within the first couple of days 388 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: maybe Barbee Marbois and tally Rand said henceforth known as 389 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: the French contingent um. They said, hey, how about this 390 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: um have you? Would you guys be interested in purchasing 391 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: the whole Louisiana? Terry Tory and Monroe and Livi said like, 392 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. Yeah cool, and they're like, 393 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Monroe like examined his fingernails 394 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: and said, well, we'll think about it. We might take 395 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: it off of her. Now, how much do you want? 396 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: And the Prince said twenty two million bucks, And he 397 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: leaned over and said, well, Jefferson wanted chin million for 398 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: new Orleans twenty two mill for all of it's not 399 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: a bad deal. No, and uh and Monroe said six 400 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: nay on the eel day. Wait, what would that be? 401 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: Nix the deal, which actually is the opposite of what 402 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: he would have said. But anyway, well he said, let's 403 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: try and talk him down. Yeah. I think they countered 404 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: with eight million. Right, they settled on fifteen, just five 405 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: million more than he was authorized to pay for New 406 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: Orleans alone. Right, you get another you know, eight hundred 407 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: five thousand square miles. Right, that is a bargain. And 408 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: that's how this whole thing's gone down in history as 409 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: far as as most people look at that the French 410 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: made a terrible real estate deal and the Americans made 411 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: out like bandits. Because I think National Geographics said it 412 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: was equivalent fifteen million dollars at the time, was equivalent 413 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: to three two million dollars. I did the methods up 414 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: to three four now, but at the time that came 415 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: to about nine cents an acre, which is I mean 416 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: in today's money, that's nine cents an acre. Um. So 417 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: it's an incredible deal. Um. So of course they went 418 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: for it. But like you said that, the mail was 419 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: really slow at the time, so they couldn't wait to 420 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: get authorization from Jefferson. They had to just decide on 421 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: their own that this was too spectacular of a deal 422 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: to walk away from and they were going to spend 423 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: fifty more than they were authorized to to buy the 424 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: Louisiana territory. And they did. And it took two months 425 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: for Jefferson the President, to find out that this this 426 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: deal had gone down two months so yeah, there wouldn't 427 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: time to go back. Didn't spend another two months getting 428 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: word back to Napoleon's party, the French contingent excuse me right, 429 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: and apparently the whole um. They were putting pressure on 430 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: the Americans by saying like, well, Napoleon's reconsidering this deal. 431 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: The Americans were like, okay, all right, classic move. Yeah, 432 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: he's not really sure now the offer might be off 433 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: the table. So they announced the deal fourth of July 434 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: eighteen o three. Um. Most people in the United States 435 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: were obviously super psyched um, but not everyone. It seems 436 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: that people in New England were, uh, they had a 437 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: problem with it. They were like, hey, listen, we are 438 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of broke anyway, and we've already got enough land, 439 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: Like who wants eight hundred and fifty thousand square miles 440 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: to have to take care of when we're a fledgling 441 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: nation and what we need now is to keep our 442 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: coffers full. And Massachusetts Congressman Joseph Quincy said, you know, 443 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: we should succeed because of this. There was a lot 444 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: of threats to succeed. Thank goodness, that doesn't happen anymore, right, right, 445 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: but they you know that was that didn't happen obviously. Um, 446 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: there was another issue, which which was that Jefferson was 447 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: a real strict constitutionalist and did not believe in a 448 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: president just sort of exceeding their power. And he was like, 449 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't even know if what we 450 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: did was strictly legal. This guy helped, Yeah, he was like, 451 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: can you have someone check that? But I don't. I 452 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: don't think we're allowed to even do this, are we? 453 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: I mean he was right, No, there's no if you 454 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: if you limit the presidential powers to a strict reading 455 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: of the Constitution, No, nowhere in there it doesn't say 456 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: the president is allowed to acquire land for the nation, right, 457 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean they can go by a condo or something 458 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: if they want to privately. Sure, you know, the condo 459 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: White House, that's what they call that White House West, 460 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: nice little place on the Pacific Ocean, right. But but 461 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: he was he was worried about this, so he said like, hey, 462 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: maybe we should pass the constitutional amendment about this. Yeah, 463 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: And they and you know, everyone was kind of debating. 464 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: They're like, you know what, I don't think we need 465 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: to add a constitutional amendment. I think it's probably okay. Uh, 466 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, all the all the like the early brilliant 467 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: minds and early US government. We're trying to figure this out, 468 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: kind of thinking that, hey, we got to move through 469 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: with the purchase and we'll kind of figure it out later. 470 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: If we need to add an amendment, maybe we can 471 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: do that retroactively. Uh. And then his Treasury Secretary, Albert H. 472 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: Gallatin said, you know what, Um, this should be allowed 473 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: under your authority to make treaties. That's how I read it, 474 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 1: at least, And Jefferson said that sounds good. Let's debate it. 475 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: They debated it in eighteen oh three in October, and 476 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: the Senate voted twenty four to seven that it was 477 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: all good. Yeah, um, which makes sense. I think it 478 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: was upheld later on in three by the Supreme Court 479 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: by no less than Jefferson's political rival John Marshall. Justice 480 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: John Marshall Um said, yeah, actually, this is totally correct. 481 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: The presidents allowed to make treaties under the Constitution, and 482 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: you can acquire land through treaties ipso facto, the president 483 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: can acquire land. And ever since then that's just been 484 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, part of America, although it'll probably be reversed 485 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. How about a break, Yes, 486 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: all right, let's take a break and we'll talk about 487 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: the fact that this really wasn't a purchase outright, Okay, 488 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: Chuck so Um. Up to now, we've basically just been 489 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: laying down the general, the generally understood Louisiana purchase, maybe 490 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: with a few more details, and most people know more 491 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: than I knew before we started researching this, I should say, 492 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: But at this point we reached like the actual geopolitical, 493 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: um like layer of this, this historical event of how 494 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: the people at the time understood what was going on. 495 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: Because in retrospect, like I said, everybody looks at the 496 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: Louisiana purchase like the greatest real estate deal of all time. 497 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: If you look up greatest deal in history, the Louisiana 498 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: purchases cited as the greatest deal ever in almost every 499 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: return on whatever search engine use. Right, So at the 500 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: time they didn't really consider it that it wasn't like 501 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: a purchase of land. Instead, it was a transfer of 502 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: what the French had acquired through the doctrine of discovery, 503 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: which is essentially this kind of again a geopolitical layer 504 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: of the legal fiction that's laid over actual land that 505 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: basically says, um, if you go to an area and 506 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: you find people there but they're not Christians, you can 507 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: claim that land as yourself and deal with the people 508 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: who are indigenous as you see fit without interference from 509 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: the other European powers. Right, So that's what they purchase. Um, 510 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: you could call it a preemption or a territorial abstraction, 511 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, it basically meant your we almost bought the 512 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: right to steal that land from Native Americans without uh yeah, 513 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: like without Spain or France laying any claim to it. 514 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: I would agree with what you just said, fully, but 515 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: I would remove almost from it. Fully I guess the 516 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: word I mean, yeah, it's crazy. And that whole doctrine, 517 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: the discovery thing, by the way, came from people bull 518 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: Papal decree from coincidentally, where the Pope said essentially that like, 519 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: if you find a place that's considered Tera Nolus, which 520 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: is unpopulated, essentially unpopulated by Christians, that's your that's your land. 521 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: So it was basically legal cover for the genocide that 522 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: followed from that point on. Yeah, and it's at this 523 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: point that I'm gonna recommend again. I know mentioned it before, 524 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: but the great documentary series from one called Exterminate All 525 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: the Brutes. Uh, you, of all people would love it. Uh, 526 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: it's really good, you would love it. Um. Raoul Pecks 527 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: series Explorers Basically that was on HBO. I think just 528 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: sort of the history of um colonialism, but but more 529 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: than that, um the way he tells it through a 530 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: modern lens and um just sort of from the dawn 531 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: of time once people started um being mean to each other. 532 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: Basically really really tough, heavy documentary series. So yeah, it 533 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: sounds like my Friday night for sure, well several Friday nights, 534 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, sure if you watch that all on one 535 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: Friday night and then very dark Saturday of so, um, Okay, 536 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: I'll check it out. What's it call again the Brutes? Okay, 537 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: I'll check it out because I happen to have HBO Max. 538 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: Oh well too, maybe it's on there for my money, 539 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: one of the best streaming services. So um, the just 540 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: to kind of button this whole thing up. Basically, what 541 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: happened under the doctrines of discovery and the preemption that 542 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: America bought from France said that you can go do 543 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: whatever you want with this land. You can acquire it 544 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: however you want to. We're not going to do like 545 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: you don't actually get any land from us. You get 546 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: us saying this is yours now and the rest of Europe. 547 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: We have to leave these guys alone while they do 548 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: whatever they want. This is now part of their sovereign territory, 549 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: from one Christian nation to another. Basically exactly that's right. 550 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: So Um, the thing is is that I guess the 551 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: Americans that were running the show at the time, led 552 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: by Jefferson, we're well aware like this is this is 553 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: there's plenty of people out there, and probably even more 554 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: than we realize. I'm sure there's indigenous groups that we've 555 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: not even encountered yet. He sent Lewis and Clark out 556 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: in eighteen o four, like the the year after the 557 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: purchase was announced. Um, but they had to get that 558 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: land somehow, and this this preemption gave them the right 559 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: to either to do however they pleased treaty paying people off, 560 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: just straight up extermination however America wanted to do it. 561 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: From that point on, that was Europe was just going 562 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: to sit back and let it happen. Yeah, And it 563 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: was kind of a mix of all those things. Um, 564 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: the US did pay you know, uh, I mean it's 565 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: a lot of money, but it's still not a lot 566 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: of money, you know, uh, about eight point five billion 567 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: dollars in modern dollars two Native Americans for the land 568 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: within the Louisiana territory. But as we'll see, that happened 569 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,479 Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways, and there were some 570 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: modern sort of repartitions that happened as a result here 571 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: and there. Um, there was a land deal and these 572 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: are just some examples. Um, there was you know, there 573 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: was always sort of the threat of violence hanging over 574 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: every deal that was made, so you have to factor 575 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: that in. Um, there was a land deal with a 576 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: native nation. This was after you know, we made the 577 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 1: deal with France and the sac and Fox Nation sent 578 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: uh some people to St. Louis sent a delegation there 579 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know, uh, we murdered three squatters 580 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: on our land. I would really like you to not retaliate, 581 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: retaliate on us, because that would start a big mess. 582 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: And so William Henry Harrison, who was the governor um 583 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: of the Indiana Tory territory and now Louisiana, which was 584 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: this is a lot of area that William Henry Harrison 585 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: was covering, uh signed you know, put a lot of 586 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: heat on them, and they signed away three point six 587 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: million acres of land along the Mississippi, including about one 588 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: point six million that was part of the Louisiana purchased 589 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: here Tory for three thousand three dollars in goods. And 590 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: if that if that sounds like a paltry amount, you're right. 591 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: But even at the time it was like the Salk 592 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: and the Fox would have considered it paltry because I 593 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: read that they made something like sixty thousand dollars a 594 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: season just from selling furs alone. So this was an 595 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: insulting amount of money. Supposedly, William Henry Harrison was like 596 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: particularly adept at creating these treaties, and this was the 597 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: first one, and uh, they ended up basically negotiating with 598 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: this this contingency of this contingent of um Sac and 599 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Fox leaders, but also not people who were recognized in 600 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: those tribes as having the authority to sign away their land. 601 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: But they signed something. William Henry Harrison said, good enough, 602 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: this is legal. We now own that that land. Please 603 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: get out. And this all this is one of those 604 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: that um was brought up. Later in three there was 605 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 1: a commission, federal commission that look back on this land 606 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: deal and said, you know what it was worth about 607 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: sixty cents an acre at the time. We purchased it 608 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: for a half cent an acre. So here's what we're 609 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna pay you back now here in 610 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: the early nineteen seventies that fifty nine and a half cents. Uh, 611 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: here's two million dollars. And they said, we'll wait a minute, though, 612 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: this is this is nineteen seventy three. You're not including 613 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: inflation or interest like you're you're paying us for what 614 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: you owed us in eighteen o four using nineteen seventy 615 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: three money. And excuse me, what, here's your check. Just 616 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: go about your go about your day. And that's exactly 617 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: what happened. And that was the first deal, the first 618 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: treaty that was that was formed after the Louisiana purchase 619 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: that affected land from Louisiana territory, right, and it just 620 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: kind of went on from there. Some some tribes were 621 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: giving money, some tribes were forced out for no money whatsoever. 622 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 1: I think the black Feet famously lost twelve million acres 623 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: and were given no money at all. Um And what's 624 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: They weren't exactly like the indigenous tribes, weren't exactly treated 625 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: like royalty by the French or the Spanish, but they 626 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: weren't forced off of their land on mass um like 627 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: they were once America owned the Louisiana territory, like it 628 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: was a brand new a brand new show that they 629 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: had not been prepared for. They they lived and worked 630 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: and you know, follow their traditional ways among the French 631 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: and the Spanish, who you know, made concessions to them 632 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: and recognized a lot of their their um, their tribal 633 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: territory and their tribal customs um. But they were they 634 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: still considered the land belonging to France or belonging to Spain. 635 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: But they weren't moved off. And then America came along 636 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: and we're like, get out we've got a lot of 637 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: people back east, and we are spreading westward. And essentially 638 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: what they did was just continue to push and push 639 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: and push the Native Americans all the way into the Pacific. Basically. Yeah, 640 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: and you know, one of the things they would do 641 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: is like they would clear out one tribe and the 642 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: you know we call it the West, it was the 643 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: Louisiana territory to make room to move like an East 644 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: Coast tribe or a Southeastern tribe or a Northeastern tribe. 645 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: Then they would move them into that land and say here, 646 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: you can have this, but not for long because we're 647 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: also going to remove you. And it was just like 648 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: you said, it was just sort of shuffling these tribes 649 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: one at a time further and further west, which you 650 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: know obviously culminated in the Trail of tears Um, which 651 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: we had a I think that was a two parter, right, Yeah, 652 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: that was one of one of the best Um two 653 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: parters we've done. I think it rivaled Evil Kinneval. Even 654 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo tweeted out about that episode. I forgot Hulk himself. 655 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: That's right, he did Hulk himself, Polk himself. So it 656 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 1: was it was just sort of the beginning of uh, 657 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: beginning of a new day for Indigenous Americans, h no more, 658 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, basically sort of living with Europeans and kind 659 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: of sharing the land. It was like, now this is ours, 660 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: and and we're removing you, you know, permanently. Yeah, And 661 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean, just like that papal decree of the Doctrine 662 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: of Discovery, America kind of formulated its own stuff, like 663 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: the manifest Destiny, which essentially said, like we were we 664 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: were given this land to take it over from coast 665 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: to coast. This is America was meant to do this, 666 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: to become this continental nation and become a superpower. And 667 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: that was used as a reason like just we were 668 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: supposed to do it. We were, we were destined to 669 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: do this, so let's just keep doing it. And another 670 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: one that was used is that the Native Americans weren't 671 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: weren't using the land, they weren't putting it to use, 672 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: So we're going to put it to more productive use 673 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: and make money off of it, which if so facto, 674 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: means we should have it. So these were kind of 675 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: like the rationals for pushing further and further west, and 676 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: we did it with such gusto Chalk that the Louisiana 677 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: purchase was signed in eighteen oh three. Fifty years later, 678 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 1: the Gadsden Purchase purchased southern Arizona in southwest New Mexico 679 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 1: from Mexico. I believe, and at that moment, fifty years 680 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: after Louisiana purchased double the size the contiguous forty eight 681 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: states as they are today was set. Fifty years is 682 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: all it took for us to take over the entire 683 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: North American continent aside from Canada and Mexico. Wow, that 684 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: puts it into perspective. We were vigorous, I should say so. 685 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: Like you mentioned earlier, Lewis and Clark were then sent 686 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: out because we didn't really know even what we had 687 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: as far like the borders were very hazy. Uh. They 688 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: were hazy when Spain had it. They were hazy when 689 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: France had it. They knew the northern and southern borders 690 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: because you had the Gulf of Mexico and you had 691 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: the you know, Canada and the northern territories. But as 692 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: far as west goes, they're like, I don't know. And 693 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: everyone would look at each other, they would look at 694 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: mat makers and they would all shrug and go I 695 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: don't know so. Uh. In fact, in the purchase it said, uh, 696 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: they refer to the land the colony or province of Louisiana, 697 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: with the same extent it now has in the hands 698 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: of Spain and then it had when France possessed it. 699 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: In France and Spain both shrugged. So they sent Lewis 700 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: and Clark out, and Jefferson said, Hey, when it comes 701 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: to that western border, just go nuts. Um. You don't 702 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: don't feel like you got to really be too restrictive 703 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: on where that on where this Louisiana territory ends. And 704 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: so they said, how about the Rocky Mountains and they said, great, 705 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: that's they sound lovely perfect. Right. In America's tactic strategy, 706 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: national strategy, you could say, it was just to keep 707 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: pushing westward, right, so when you reached America's border, just 708 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: keep going. And we would show up in mass and 709 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: these British, like the British apparently controlled Oregon Territory, which 710 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 1: I didn't realize, but it explains Washington and British Columbia's names. Um, 711 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: and we would just show up along the Oregon Trail, 712 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: and enough of us would show up that the Brits 713 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: would finally be like, fine, forget it here, just take this. 714 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 1: We want British Columbia. You take Washington and Oregon. And 715 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: we did that in Texas. And that's how we just 716 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: kept acquiring more and more land, just just by virtue 717 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: of showing up in numbers and being willing to shed blood, 718 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: pay money, um, and do you know all sorts of 719 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: stuff to acquire that land. That's right, yeah, And I 720 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: mean there's it's not like this is all just a 721 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: nothing but a negative story. I mean, depending on your perspective. Yeah, 722 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty negative in a lot of ways. But also, 723 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean it's not like America is just like the 724 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: worst country that ever existed. Like America has done a 725 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: lot of really great stuff for the world, spread democracy, 726 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: spread peace, done a lot of shady stuff too. I 727 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: think everybody who has ever listening to the podcast knows 728 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: that I am aware of that. But it's also done 729 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot of really cool stuff for the world. So 730 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: in one sense, the Louisiana purchase helped kickstart that country 731 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: that would go on to do some really cool, important things. Unfortunately, 732 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: on the other hand, it gave us the Midwest. Oh Man, 733 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: I had a feeling that was building towards a joke, 734 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: a punchline. I meant everything, get Bay off. Okay, so 735 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: you got anything else about the Louisiana purchase. No, I 736 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: think I'm well armed for Jeopardy though. Okay I am too. 737 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: Let's get it on. As Alex Trebek used to say, uh, 738 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about the Louisiana purchase, 739 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: you can search that on um well on your favorite 740 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: search bar. But also, I'm sure How Stuff Works has 741 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: some good stuff on it, so why not start there? 742 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: And since I said how Stuff Works and it's two 743 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: thousand and ten again, it's time for listener mail. I'm 744 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: gonna call this support for you. Okay, thank you for 745 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: the whole songs. Sarah Tobacco when I in retrospect was 746 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: a little unfair When I was like, what you never knew? Stand? 747 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: Sarah meant no, Sarah's I didn't take it that way 748 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: at all. But I know how you feel right now 749 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: because I just cueate our How Vampires Works Episode Worked 750 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: episode from back then. Yes, and you said you didn't 751 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, And I was like, what, 752 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: all right, here we go. I just listened to the 753 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 1: life of played episode guys, it felt like I had 754 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: to back up Josh in regards to do Sarah and Sarah. 755 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm an architect and endured many grueling years of architectural school, 756 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: during which we primarily prepare graphic and architecture role presentations 757 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: in lieu of exams and paper so so you can 758 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: imagine the aesthetic mind of a young architect can get 759 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: obsessed with selecting the perfect font to align with the 760 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: architectural concept they're about to present. I wasted many hours 761 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: selecting the perfect font, and as did most other students 762 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: in my class. I mean now my thirties and have 763 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: been practicing for over twelve years, and made no connection 764 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: to the twelve years. Would you hire twenty four year 765 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: old architect? Mm hmmm. I don't know if if he 766 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: was okay, coacious and went he or she, you know, 767 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: started started attending Harvard at fifteen. May look at me. 768 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm being agents. Uh now mid thirties, have been practicing 769 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: for twelve years. Made no connection to the meaning of 770 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: Sarah until two or three years ago. Like Josh, I 771 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: was well aware of the idea of songs, but never 772 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: put the two and two together. You could take everything, 773 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: Josh stated word for word and apply it to me. 774 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: You guys make me laugh a lot, but this is 775 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: one of the better chuckles I've had while listening to 776 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: Josh go on about San Saraf, his San Sarah revelation 777 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: and the likeness to my own Unlike Josh, though I 778 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: never admitted it, allowed uh, and I felt it was 779 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: about time to Josh. Thanks for sharing and letting me 780 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: know that I'm not alone. Kind regards from Tim. Tim, 781 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: thank you for that support. That is very nice of you, 782 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm I'm the midwife of helping 783 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: you birth your own um admission, it just got weird 784 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: for sure, as Bob new Heart would put in, yeah, um. 785 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: Thanks again, Tim, and if you want to be like Tim, 786 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: you can send an email to stuff podcast at iHeart 787 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production 788 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, 789 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,280 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 790 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,720 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.