WEBVTT - 25 Players in 25 Years: Mina Kimes on Nos. 25-21 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:07.600 Welcome to NFL Daily's Top twenty five players of the 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.119 last twenty five years. Yes, this is the first episode. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.520 It's going to be a six part series. I'm really 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.200 excited about And there is no one I would rather 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:23.280 start the series with than my friend Mina Kimes of ESPN. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.640 This is a big responsibility, Mina taking the first episode. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.720 Hello, I'm excited to do this. The players that are 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.360 in this bunch are great. This is a great group. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.600 I mean, they're all great, that's the general premise of 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.560 this entire thing, but they're really fun players to talk about. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.080 So I'm particularly excited to be twenty five through twenty one. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.120 Yeah, a couple things I noticed putting the list together 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.880 that it's backloaded, like the current players are more towards 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.560 the back. Don't blame Mina or any of the future 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.480 guests that are coming on the show. It is my list, 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.760 but that they're coming on to give their impressions. And 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.880 we have a lot of great guests. Kevin Harlan is 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.800 going to be on the show coming up, your buddy, 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.000 Nate Tice, Brian Baldinger, Steve Weis. It's going to be 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.440 really great. Just a couple of little ground rules. Though, 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.440 for the listeners out there, if they're curious, it was 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.880 more about sustained greatness over like a three to five 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.399 year period. Was like where I started, like, you're not 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.160 going to be on this list if you only had 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.240 one or two great years. That's almost a prerequisite. But 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.199 it wasn't about longevity to me. It was like who 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.640 was the very best and maybe longevity is a little 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.160 bit of a tiebreaker. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.319 Do you think that's like a fair way to do it? Yeah? 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:32.840 I do. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.360 I mean we're talking about especially when you're talking about 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.399 top twenty five, it's tough, man. Yeah, you're gonna have 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.640 to make some really difficult cuts and you're gonna have 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.319 to set guidelines. I think around like, it's kind of 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:48.840 like when we do general debates that we're like who's 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.960 the greatest of all time? You have to take longevity 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.560 into account. You can't just be like a guy at 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.720 his peak. I actually think the player you're starting with 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.520 is a great He really is. He really is perfect 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.360 fodder for this exact question is exact debate because there's 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.360 another player who he's constantly compared to, who I think 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.480 is probably also on your list, and you're by starting 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.120 with this player, you're making drawing a line in the sand, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.399 really and you're kind of it's a take. 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.600 Honestly, it absolutely is, which means we should just get 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.520 to it. But yes, he's on one side of the equation. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.360 You're absolutely right, you're gonna find out. And a second 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.359 on the other side, for instance, is maybe a guy 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.320 like no Imdasamawa or something. And not that he was 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.080 close to making this list at all, but for a 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.240 three to four year period he was one of the 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.240 coldest cornerbacks of the last twenty five years. Like, obviously 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.960 he's not gonna make it because that's too short of 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.200 an absolute peak. But this list is full of guys 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:43.920 who had crazy high peaks. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.320 Larry Fitzgerald is not on this list, for instance. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.000 I don't want to spoil too much, but he's a 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.760 guy when you look at it, not that he was 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.720 a compiler, but a one first time All Pro or 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.560 first team All Pro, like two second teams, his highs 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:56.560 weren't quite as high. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.480 Let's just get the little list. Let's go to number 0:02:58.520 --> 0:02:59.040 twenty five. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:06.880 Number twenty five, Travis Kelcey Maholmes gets the shotgun snap 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:08.840 pulps throws for the end. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.760 Zone to Kelsey Asting makes the catch touchdown. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.799 Travis Kelcey put a touchdown in. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.119 The back right corner of the in zone. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:26.120 Kansas City wins it forty two thirty six and over time. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.200 Patrick Mahomes back does get up the road middle Travis Kelcey, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.480 this dude's taking over and been dominant in the playoffs. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.160 When Mahomes throws doing they have a. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.360 One forty quarterback writing, I mean, this is Montane wife territory. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:38.760 I don't care what people call us. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.280 I know I'm back to back and I won three 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:41.080 in whatever year. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.040 Y'all can call us the dynasty. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.440 You can call us whatever you guys want. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:45.240 I know we got it. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.360 Something more special than really what you've seen in the 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.600 NFL is because the guys in his locker room, in 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:50.160 the headcoach. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.960 It has been a wild dirty we have been on 0:03:59.040 --> 0:03:59.920 with Travis Kelcey. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:00.839 Yeah. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.200 I remember when he slips in the draft because of 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.200 tests and stuff and underrated and comes out. He was 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.040 older when he came out, twenty four years old. He 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.360 didn't have his first thousand yard season un till he 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.440 was twenty seven years old. And yet he is one 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.239 of the most famous certainly and one of the defining players. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.400 I mean, you started this whole thing already saying I'm 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.880 making a take. What do you think that take is 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.000 putting him at twenty five? 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.160 Well, I guess that take depends I'm making an assumption, 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:29.800 which is that Rob Gronkowski comes later. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:30.760 Yeah, you're in this list. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.159 Okay, So that's the take, right, Because this is the debate, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.880 and it's a debate, the debate between Gronkowski and Kelsey, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.479 and I think is a really good debate, and I 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.440 think it's not one that's like there's an obviously glaring 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.160 right answer. I think you can argue either side. It's 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.360 about longevity, it's about dominance, it's about peaks, it's about 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.040 postseason accomplishments. It's also about the nature of this particular position. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.200 I think that's the most important thing. Is when you're 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.320 talking about who is better, who was greater, who was 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.880 more dominant, you were also talking about, well, what are 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.359 we expecting out of the tight end position? 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.919 Aolute And yeah, his blocking obviously is not nearly what 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.800 Rob Gronkowski's is. But I don't want I don't want 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.560 to be comparing those two the whole time, because at 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.560 first he wasn't even on my list, and then I 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.719 started thinking about, yeah he was well because I'm thinking 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.200 about absolute dominance. 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:15.000 Who are the best? 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.279 But it's crazy the Hall of famers that are not 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.880 making this list. I mean there are there are a 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.560 lot of them. This is a it's a tough list. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.560 But for first team All pros three seconds. He's on 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.000 the All two thousand and tens team for the Hall 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.520 of Fame that they put out. He has the numbers 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.599 like most yards, most playoff touchdowns now, like third in 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.080 receiving yards among tight ends. So the numbers are all 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.880 there in terms of counting stats, and I just think 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.640 his peak wasn't like as high as some of the 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.200 guys higher on this list. But it is ridiculous, meana, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.080 how many defining moments he's had. And it's because he's 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.760 been in the playoffs so long, but it's because he 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.520 finished those games that catch you. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:53.039 Heard to start. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.159 It was the Divisional round, maybe the best game of 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.960 this decade that he finishes in the overtime against Buffalo. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.679 He's had like so many walkoffs, including against the Chargers. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.280 We might hurt hear that one a little later, like 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.719 him beating Kyle Hamilton in the AFC Championship just a 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.320 couple of years ago. The walk, Like, he's had so 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:18.080 many absolute big moments and he's just been incredibly consistent, and. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:19.040 He had to make this list. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.800 I talked to our friend Nick right because I was 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.479 thinking about Tony Gonzalez because his all pros and his 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.919 numbers are just outrageous. But I think at his peak, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.599 Kelsey was ultimately better, and obviously he deserves to be here. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.560 Yeah, a lot of thoughts on Traus Kelsey. First of all, 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.119 I think because of the comparison to Gronk and because 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.520 of who he is a disappointing career his career, we 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.960 forget he was an okay blocker. He wasn't like he 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.039 was never as dominant as Gronk, and that is a 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.160 huge part of the argument for Gronk if one wants 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.200 to make that argument, but he wasn't bad, I just 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.440 I want to throw that out there. He still isn't 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.560 actually that bad. He just gets used differently, And a 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.320 lot of the way he gets used has to do 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.200 with the fact that he has not been surrounded by 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.960 world beaters outside of Tyreek Hill. I think that also 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:10.160 bears mentioning this offense has been run through, has run 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.680 through Travis Kelcey at so many points in so many 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:18.360 big games, and certainly since Tyreek Hill left since then, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.400 and that's not something you see very often. A lot 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.080 of his usage is because of that. It's born out 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:30.000 of necessity. I would also argue, and this is something 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.840 I would say is a little bit is if you 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.240 weren't to make a case for him over Gronk, he 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:39.360 to me, Greg is the single best zone coverage beater 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.840 maybe of our lifetime. Maybe that's a little bit too rich. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.000 We think about some of the receivers, but certainly amongst tight. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.640 Ends, no question amongst tight ends. And you're right, I 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.679 would have to think about that list. And that's why 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.920 he was a tough one for me of where to 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.120 put him, Like is he high enough? He's one of 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.080 only two tight ends on this list. I don't mind 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:03.120 spoiling like that is his trademark. And you saying how 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.280 his usage went up, like his best season was twenty twenty, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.240 that that cursed season with no crowds or anything, that 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.480 he was just going crazy. He actually got a few 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.720 Offensive Player of the Year votes that that was one metric, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.920 Like was he ever at the super top where he's 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.960 winning those sorts of awards, not so much, but that year, 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.400 you know, fourteen hundred yards, like over one hundred catches 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:27.560 and just totally dominant. And to me, he's had a 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.200 better career than Antonio Gates. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.240 He's the key player other. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.760 Than Patrick Mahomes in you know, the best dynasty that 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.079 we've seen other than the Patriots dynasty, not just the 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.120 last twenty five years, but one of them in the 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:40.760 history of the NFL. And the thing that's crazy that 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.400 you pointed out, Mina is he's actually gotten better as 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.760 he's lost juice. One of the fun things I've gotten 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.680 to do with this exercise. I just go back watch 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.360 some old tape or watch some old highlights, and you know, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.120 he's ripping off eighty yard screen passes in twenty seventeen, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.319 twenty eighteen. You're like, oh, yeah, Travis Kelcey used to 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.080 have so much juice. And yet because he has a 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.760 ridiculous mind meld, maybe the best since Montana to Jerry Rice, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.520 as Mahomes to Kelsey, he's actually gotten better as he's 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:08.200 gotten older. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.720 I do like that, Like, you can't really punish eitherism 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.400 for the quarterback because they both played with like the 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.520 two greatest quarterbacks, right, So yeah, it's not like, well, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.560 Travis Kelsey got to play with Patrick Mahobes. I swear 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.080 to God, I'm not gonna only talk about Trales Kelsey 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.880 do the lens of Ropper Gronkowski, but Gronk got to 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.280 play with But I think right now he is in 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.559 that phase, the one last job phase of his career 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.319 where all they need is for him to be big 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.760 in huge moments in certain games, the same way that 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.400 Gronk was in the infamous RAM super Bowl victory on 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:40.760 that one last drive. Yeah, I think with Kelsey, like, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.240 I absolutely think he belongs on Listless. Yes, let's start there, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.319 because it's just like the TI, he really marries all 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:52.599 of it, longevity, peaks, playoff, accomplishments, big. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.120 Games, random reality shows. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.360 That's the other thing is like watching those clip like 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.080 because he's played for so long at this point and 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.120 as his persona has evolved so much, it's kind of 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.240 like his girlfriend's eras, like we do have Travis Kelce's. Yeah, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.320 that's that, by the way, is all I know about Ty. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.280 I've reached the limits of the slip jokes. That I 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.440 can make, but like, there have been points in his 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.360 career where he's been used in different plays where he's 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.720 where he's played different roles in that offense, where he 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:31.160 has sounded different he talks, and it's like he to me, like, 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.040 you really can't tell the story of the NFL over 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.400 the last ten years without him. Yeah, I just spectacular 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:39.040 football player. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.800 That It was part of my reasoning. Not only that 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.400 he was on a lot of these guys were going 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.640 to be on. Who were the most painful to leave off? 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.400 When I had him off first, I was like, oh, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.240 that's too painful and Chiefs fans are going to want 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:51.360 to hear this, But there were there were a lot 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.880 of like Chiefs that were right. I thought about Chris Jones, 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.440 I thought about Tony Gonzalez. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:56.920 They were among the first. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.920 People to be left offices that I was like, it 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.560 would be too painful to leave Kelsey, who, yes, not 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:06.960 only entertain millions, including the namesake of the studio, Chris 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.720 Westling and Lakeisha Westling were hardcore fans of Catching Kelsey 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.760 at the time, the only two people I know that 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.920 were watching every single episode. But yes, like authored so 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.480 many moments that I can remember, let's actually look back 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.400 because one thing I found looking through like his greatest 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.960 plays in his greatest games, so many of them came 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.360 against the Chargers. It's just outrageous that I just want 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:29.079 to play one of them. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.160 Get all number three on the all time Chiefs touchdown 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.120 catch list. Would one to night now just one catch 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:44.440 shay otis Taylor. Here is Kelsey, still going, still going, Kelsey, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.760 good night, touchdown Chiefs. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.000 Winning the thing I remembered more, not that I should have, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.079 but he has so many good after the catch plays 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.200 where he just puts that foot in the dirt and 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.160 gets everyone to go one way, and you don't think 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:57.720 of him like that. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.000 And half of them are against the Chargers. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.400 I mean, he has two game winning touchdowns against the Chargers. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.440 He has one hundred and ninety yard game against the Chargers. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:05.920 I believe that that was part of that, Like he 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.679 so many of them was just like breaking the rest 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.600 of the AFC's hearts, especially the Charger. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.599 It's funny because I feel like Derwin James on the 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.679 Chargers has been thought of as one of the dudes 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.600 you can count on to try to handle Travis Kelsey. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.440 I think that's the other thing that's so unique about him. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.959 Whenever we've talked about the Chiefs over the last few 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.400 years is certainly when during the Tyree Kill era, it 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.240 was a lot about how you handle that level of 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.280 speed and it was game tilting. But I know as 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.160 an analyst, every time I've talked about this team and 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.679 playing them and the defenses, it always starts with, Okay, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.880 who's on Kelsey? What is your game plan? What is 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.240 your approach to him? Are you comfortable playing zone coverage? 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.120 The question you ask always about the Chiefs, right like 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.240 do you have the capability to man up this team? 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.440 And if you do, who's on Kelsey? Like I just 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.400 I think that's a when I think about like great 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.760 players and whether or not they qualify for a list 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:01.320 like this. From my not to be solipsistic perspective, I 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.400 think through, Okay, when I'm thinking about this team and 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.520 their games, this is the first person I think of, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.319 how do you stop them? And he could make that 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.360 same argument for Chris Jones, by the way, who I 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:10.640 do think was probably a tough cut. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.080 It was he was an extremely tough cut, And like 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:14.520 I said, there's a lot of Hall of Famers not 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.760 on this list, So It's tough to make those cuts, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.040 but I'm glad Kelsey is on. I'm also glad I 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.680 have our next guy. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.360 Number twenty four, Terrell Owens. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.439 Terrel Owens down the sideline, getting the first down and 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.600 continuing richeld move backing sow Owens Loo's a big run 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:33.079 all the. 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.520 Way under the XIL for the forty nine touchdown. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.240 Another seventy five yard play, this time terror Owards. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:45.640 Doing it after the catch, throw it and doing see 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:46.400 you off the play. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:51.040 Rolling right the touchdown, ter Olands. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:56.079 Theren's are going right to the center of the stadium. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.160 Rug to the Dallas Cowboys all going yah, see it 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.480 touchdowns again. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.559 Heading from midfield there he goes. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.720 He's there's gonna be a penalty on George t because 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.079 he's gonna clock them, so ow it's just gonna show 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:12.800 him up again. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.959 And Tik just said, the heck with it. This game's 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.440 over anyway. I'm just gonna take a cheap shot at him. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:18.720 We are wrapping. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:23.040 Yeah, that little celebration ofterrell Owens with him sleeping on 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.640 the football. He could make this list just off the celebrations. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:31.240 You kind of forget how many of them were so iconic. Uh, 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.000 you got the popcorn eating the popcorn. You have the 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.760 Sharpie signing the ball, you have the Seahawks, you have 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.200 the pomp Poms grabbing and doing the pomp Pom dance. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:42.720 You have him, of course doing. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.920 Holding his arms up to the sky at the old 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.280 Texas Stadium. It's it's just amazing and five first team 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.120 All pros kind of what you imagine Mina when you 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.080 think of at least back in the day, there's not 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.240 as many of these guys of like, what would you 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.520 want your number one to look like? Six three, two 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.160 hundred and twenty five pounds and just fast as hell. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.120 I went down a rabbit hole watching too highlights when 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.720 I saw he was on your list, And one of 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.280 the highlights was just every catch he made against the 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.880 Chicago Bears in the record breaking game that I think 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.080 was Brandon Brushall Brooke that if I remember, yeah catches, yeah, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.560 and it's it's a great mix of just you know, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.000 slants and hitches, but then also some couple deep balls 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.280 as well, and you really get a full sense of 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:34.720 like his unbelievable skill set, which really was. I mean, 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.720 he was good a lot of things, but at that size, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.720 the speed the breakaway speed. First of all, he was 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.680 really physical, really strong, good contested catch guy. Some of 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.040 his most famous catches are like that. But then like 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.880 the breakaway speed and movement abilities he had at his 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.920 size were so rare, it's like you're like you put it. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.600 I mean there's another. I'm sure Calvia Johnson's going to 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.360 come later, but but it does feel like he was 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.120 like built in a lob to be a true X. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.960 Yeah, a little different, like better after the catch even 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:09.880 than Calvin Johnson, and but still had like the mobility. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.400 And I know he had some drops certainly along the 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.360 way and wasn't like as great a separator, say as 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.480 Antonio Brown, who was a tough cut from this list 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.360 ultimately because I just just on the field watching him. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.400 He was among the very best I ever saw. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.240 But he's a guy who, till the end of his 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.440 career was just a big play machine. He averaged fourteen 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.680 point eight yards per catch for his whole career that 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.640 like never fell off. He's third all time in receiving yards. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.240 He was on the All Decade team. He was timed 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.960 very well for this list his breakout season, and that 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.800 was part of it. I did not consider any nineteen 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.640 nineties seasons. So even if you started in the nineties, 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.720 like a Randy Moss for instance, that wasn't part of 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.720 the equation. And his breakout season to was two thousand 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:02.200 and five first team All Pros And man, he didn't 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.639 have like a ton of playoff moments. He had he 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.479 had to catch too, certainly with the forty nine ers 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.040 when he was young in his career. But you remember 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.080 that performance he had against the Eagles where Belichick has 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.760 said many times how he assumed to is not going 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.280 to be in that game or not gonna look like 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.879 to because he's coming off of a broken leg, and 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.840 he goes nine for one twenty two and almost kind 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.040 of carries them to a Super Bowl win all by 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.879 himself while he was a member of the Eagles. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.520 The was the finger game before that was after that, 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.280 right when he had the plate in his finger and 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.040 he came back and played. And that's the other thing 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.320 we got to talk about with him. Yeah, this is 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:39.840 the unbelievable toughness, which and it's the other thing about him, 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.439 like just like the perfect I talk about him being 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.359 like the perfect wide receiver, lab built ride receiver. The 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.240 personality is like when people think about wide receivers better 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.600 or worse, and I say better for better or worse 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.600 because you know, was he always the best teammate? No, 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.720 did he rebul the wrong way? Sure, but holy smokes, 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.639 his dude was tough and was a competitor. I mean, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.320 like some of the injuries that he overcame to play, 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.560 I feel like, maybe more so than he has some 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.600 of the most iconic coming off in injury games of 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.239 any player in NFL history. And it is funny to 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.640 me that like he contained multitudes in that way, right, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:20.639 Like we think of this like diva personality, but then 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.240 he was tough as nails. I don't know, he was 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.680 just kind of an interesting mix of contradictions. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.479 Yes, let's let's listen just to a little cut up 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.200 we have of some t o trashtock. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.239 I know you don't know me to sound put them 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.119 a sound in a way because I love me. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:40.240 Tell me I. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:42.520 Can hit me. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.399 Oh, y'all won't do what you can stuff. 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.200 He is an all time NFL Films sound effects guy, 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.760 like an all time NFL miked up guy. There's a 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.000 clip on YouTube from NFL Films with just thirteen minutes 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.960 of him on miked up and it's so good. And 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.120 one thing you do get from it is you're reminded, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.800 like he was a team captain more than a few 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.240 times in his career, he was known as like one 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.840