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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily's Top twenty five players of the

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Speaker 1: last twenty five years. Yes, this is the first episode.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a six part series. I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited about And there is no one I would rather

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Speaker 1: start the series with than my friend Mina Kimes of ESPN.

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Speaker 1: This is a big responsibility, Mina taking the first episode.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm excited to do this. The players that are

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Speaker 2: in this bunch are great. This is a great group.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're all great, that's the general premise of

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Speaker 2: this entire thing, but they're really fun players to talk about.

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Speaker 2: So I'm particularly excited to be twenty five through twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple things I noticed putting the list together

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Speaker 1: that it's backloaded, like the current players are more towards

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Speaker 1: the back. Don't blame Mina or any of the future

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Speaker 1: guests that are coming on the show. It is my list,

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Speaker 1: but that they're coming on to give their impressions. And

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of great guests. Kevin Harlan is

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Speaker 1: going to be on the show coming up, your buddy,

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Speaker 1: Nate Tice, Brian Baldinger, Steve Weis. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: really great. Just a couple of little ground rules. Though,

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Speaker 1: for the listeners out there, if they're curious, it was

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Speaker 1: more about sustained greatness over like a three to five

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Speaker 1: year period. Was like where I started, like, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be on this list if you only had

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Speaker 1: one or two great years. That's almost a prerequisite. But

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Speaker 1: it wasn't about longevity to me. It was like who

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Speaker 1: was the very best and maybe longevity is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a tiebreaker.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's like a fair way to do it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about especially when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: top twenty five, it's tough, man. Yeah, you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to make some really difficult cuts and you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to set guidelines. I think around like, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like when we do general debates that we're like who's

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Speaker 2: the greatest of all time? You have to take longevity

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Speaker 2: into account. You can't just be like a guy at

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Speaker 2: his peak. I actually think the player you're starting with

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Speaker 2: is a great He really is. He really is perfect

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Speaker 2: fodder for this exact question is exact debate because there's

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Speaker 2: another player who he's constantly compared to, who I think

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Speaker 2: is probably also on your list, and you're by starting

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Speaker 2: with this player, you're making drawing a line in the sand,

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Speaker 2: really and you're kind of it's a take.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it absolutely is, which means we should just get

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Speaker 1: to it. But yes, he's on one side of the equation.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you're gonna find out. And a second

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Speaker 1: on the other side, for instance, is maybe a guy

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Speaker 1: like no Imdasamawa or something. And not that he was

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Speaker 1: close to making this list at all, but for a

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Speaker 1: three to four year period he was one of the

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Speaker 1: coldest cornerbacks of the last twenty five years. Like, obviously

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna make it because that's too short of

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Speaker 1: an absolute peak. But this list is full of guys

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Speaker 1: who had crazy high peaks.

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Speaker 3: Larry Fitzgerald is not on this list, for instance.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil too much, but he's a

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Speaker 1: guy when you look at it, not that he was

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Speaker 1: a compiler, but a one first time All Pro or

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Speaker 1: first team All Pro, like two second teams, his highs

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Speaker 1: weren't quite as high.

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Speaker 3: Let's just get the little list. Let's go to number

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Speaker 3: twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Number twenty five, Travis Kelcey Maholmes gets the shotgun snap

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Speaker 4: pulps throws for the end.

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Speaker 5: Zone to Kelsey Asting makes the catch touchdown.

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Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey put a touchdown in.

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Speaker 1: The back right corner of the in zone.

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Speaker 5: Kansas City wins it forty two thirty six and over time.

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Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes back does get up the road middle Travis Kelcey,

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Speaker 6: this dude's taking over and been dominant in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: When Mahomes throws doing they have a.

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Speaker 5: One forty quarterback writing, I mean, this is Montane wife territory.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what people call us.

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Speaker 5: I know I'm back to back and I won three

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Speaker 5: in whatever year.

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Speaker 3: Y'all can call us the dynasty.

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Speaker 1: You can call us whatever you guys want.

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Speaker 5: I know we got it.

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Speaker 7: Something more special than really what you've seen in the

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Speaker 7: NFL is because the guys in his locker room, in

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Speaker 7: the headcoach.

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Speaker 1: It has been a wild dirty we have been on

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Speaker 1: with Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember when he slips in the draft because of

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Speaker 1: didn't have his first thousand yard season un till he

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Speaker 1: I mean, you started this whole thing already saying I'm

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Speaker 1: making a take. What do you think that take is

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Speaker 1: putting him at twenty five?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that take depends I'm making an assumption,

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Speaker 2: which is that Rob Gronkowski comes later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in this list.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the take, right, Because this is the debate,

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Speaker 2: and it's a debate, the debate between Gronkowski and Kelsey,

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Speaker 2: and I think is a really good debate, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's not one that's like there's an obviously glaring

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Speaker 2: right answer. I think you can argue either side. It's

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Speaker 2: about longevity, it's about dominance, it's about peaks, it's about

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Speaker 2: postseason accomplishments. It's also about the nature of this particular position.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the most important thing. Is when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about who is better, who was greater, who was

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Speaker 2: more dominant, you were also talking about, well, what are

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Speaker 1: Aolute And yeah, his blocking obviously is not nearly what

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Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski's is. But I don't want I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be comparing those two the whole time, because at

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Speaker 3: Who are the best?

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Speaker 1: But it's crazy the Hall of famers that are not

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Speaker 1: making this list. I mean there are there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of them. This is a it's a tough list.

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Speaker 1: But for first team All pros three seconds. He's on

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Speaker 1: the All two thousand and tens team for the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame that they put out. He has the numbers

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Speaker 1: like most yards, most playoff touchdowns now, like third in

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Speaker 1: receiving yards among tight ends. So the numbers are all

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Speaker 1: his peak wasn't like as high as some of the

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Speaker 1: how many defining moments he's had. And it's because he's

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Speaker 3: Heard to start.

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Speaker 1: It was the Divisional round, maybe the best game of

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Speaker 1: this decade that he finishes in the overtime against Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: He's had like so many walkoffs, including against the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: We might hurt hear that one a little later, like

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Speaker 1: him beating Kyle Hamilton in the AFC Championship just a

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Speaker 3: He had to make this list.

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Speaker 1: I talked to our friend Nick right because I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about Tony Gonzalez because his all pros and his

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Speaker 1: numbers are just outrageous. But I think at his peak,

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Speaker 1: Kelsey was ultimately better, and obviously he deserves to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of thoughts on Traus Kelsey. First of all,

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Speaker 2: I think because of the comparison to Gronk and because

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Speaker 2: of who he is a disappointing career his career, we

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Speaker 2: forget he was an okay blocker. He wasn't like he

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Speaker 2: was never as dominant as Gronk, and that is a

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Speaker 2: huge part of the argument for Gronk if one wants

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Speaker 2: I want to throw that out there. He still isn't

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Speaker 2: actually that bad. He just gets used differently, And a

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Speaker 2: world beaters outside of Tyreek Hill. I think that also

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Speaker 2: bears mentioning this offense has been run through, has run

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Speaker 2: through Travis Kelcey at so many points in so many

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Speaker 2: big games, and certainly since Tyreek Hill left since then,

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Speaker 2: and that's not something you see very often. A lot

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Speaker 2: weren't to make a case for him over Gronk, he

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Speaker 2: to me, Greg is the single best zone coverage beater

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Speaker 2: maybe of our lifetime. Maybe that's a little bit too rich.

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Speaker 2: We think about some of the receivers, but certainly amongst tight.

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Speaker 1: Ends, no question amongst tight ends. And you're right, I

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Speaker 1: would have to think about that list. And that's why

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Speaker 1: he was a tough one for me of where to

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Speaker 1: put him, Like is he high enough? He's one of

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Speaker 1: only two tight ends on this list. I don't mind

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Speaker 1: spoiling like that is his trademark. And you saying how

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Speaker 1: his usage went up, like his best season was twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: that that cursed season with no crowds or anything, that

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Speaker 1: he was just going crazy. He actually got a few

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Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the Year votes that that was one metric,

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Speaker 1: Like was he ever at the super top where he's

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Speaker 1: winning those sorts of awards, not so much, but that year,

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Speaker 1: you know, fourteen hundred yards, like over one hundred catches

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Speaker 1: better career than Antonio Gates.

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Speaker 3: He's the key player other.

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Speaker 1: Than Patrick Mahomes in you know, the best dynasty that

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Speaker 1: we've seen other than the Patriots dynasty, not just the

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Speaker 1: history of the NFL. And the thing that's crazy that

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Speaker 1: you pointed out, Mina is he's actually gotten better as

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Speaker 1: he's lost juice. One of the fun things I've gotten

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Speaker 1: to do with this exercise. I just go back watch

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Speaker 1: some old tape or watch some old highlights, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he's ripping off eighty yard screen passes in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. You're like, oh, yeah, Travis Kelcey used to

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Speaker 1: have so much juice. And yet because he has a

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Speaker 1: ridiculous mind meld, maybe the best since Montana to Jerry Rice,

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Speaker 1: as Mahomes to Kelsey, he's actually gotten better as he's

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Speaker 2: I do like that, Like, you can't really punish eitherism

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Speaker 2: for the quarterback because they both played with like the

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Speaker 2: two greatest quarterbacks, right, So yeah, it's not like, well,

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey got to play with Patrick Mahobes. I swear

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Speaker 2: to God, I'm not gonna only talk about Trales Kelsey

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Speaker 2: do the lens of Ropper Gronkowski, but Gronk got to

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Speaker 2: play with But I think right now he is in

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Speaker 2: that phase, the one last job phase of his career

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Speaker 2: where all they need is for him to be big

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Speaker 2: in huge moments in certain games, the same way that

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Speaker 2: Gronk was in the infamous RAM super Bowl victory on

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Speaker 2: that one last drive. Yeah, I think with Kelsey, like,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely think he belongs on Listless. Yes, let's start there,

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Speaker 2: because it's just like the TI, he really marries all

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Speaker 2: of it, longevity, peaks, playoff, accomplishments, big.

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Speaker 3: Games, random reality shows.

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing is like watching those clip like

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Speaker 2: because he's played for so long at this point and

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Speaker 2: as his persona has evolved so much, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like his girlfriend's eras, like we do have Travis Kelce's. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's that, by the way, is all I know about Ty.

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Speaker 1: That It was part of my reasoning. Not only that

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Speaker 6: Get all number three on the all time Chiefs touchdown

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Speaker 1: Winning the thing I remembered more, not that I should have,

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Speaker 2: who's on Kelsey? What is your game plan? What is

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Speaker 4: Number twenty four, Terrell Owens.

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Speaker 5: Terrel Owens down the sideline, getting the first down and

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Speaker 6: Theren's are going right to the center of the stadium.

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Speaker 3: And Tik just said, the heck with it. This game's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that little celebration ofterrell Owens with him sleeping on

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Speaker 2: I went down a rabbit hole watching too highlights when

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Speaker 1: He learned literally from Jerry Rice, and he talks about that,

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Speaker 2: Well speaking, I mean, I mean, I have to bet

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Speaker 2: He's not in the NFL one hundred. Did you know that?

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Speaker 2: come on, dude, he's third old time and receiving yards,

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Speaker 1: So I think making this list okay when you're just

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Speaker 1: argument that at his very peak, I don't know if

437
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Speaker 1: anyone was any better. These are guys that are not

438
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Speaker 1: on the list. Larry Fitzgerald, like I mentioned, who's just

439
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 1: stacked up numbers like not on the list.

440
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: It was very hard to separate wide receivers.

441
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Speaker 1: But ultimately, yeah, the combination for me of just he

442
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: was a little bit uncoverable because even though he had

443
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: those drops at times, he was such a good contested

444
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 1: catch guy that like, even if you could cover my

445
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: Revis had some good battles with him later in his career,

446
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 1: even if you could cover him, like it didn't really

447
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: matter if he was playing his best.

448
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Speaker 2: The Catch Tube being the perfect example of that. I

449
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: remember growing up when I first got access to like YouTube,

450
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: just watching that over and over and trying to like

451
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: understand it. It haven't right because it just doesn't just

452
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 2: like what wait the ball, Like how is this getting through?

453
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: And how is he winning for it? And yeah, it

454
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: was just yeah, remarkable. I was asking just one quick aside.

455
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: I was while I was watching Highlights, I was texting

456
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Speaker 2: a little bit with you. Mentioned Nate Tice and Danny

457
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: about who is the closest to him in this current generation,

458
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: and the consensus was AJ Brown is the player who's

459
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 2: most similar to t O, which I think is accurate.

460
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Speaker 1: I think that's right, especially this version of AJ Brown,

461
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: like where he is right now, where we just did

462
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: a Receivers episode and we had him third overall because

463
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: I think he's such a complete receiver. I think Too

464
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: also warmed up to that spot too, as you mentioned,

465
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: like the catch Too, that was his big breakout in

466
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Like, it's funny hearing them talk about him

467
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: early in his career, like he didn't speak, he was

468
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: very afraid to talk to the media. It was like

469
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: this shy guy until he wasn't. But yeah, Marvin Harrison

470
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: was another guy. Tyreek Kill was another guy that got

471
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Speaker 1: cut off this list. Marvin Harrison somewhat got cut off

472
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Speaker 1: from the ninety two thousand thing. But it's crazy how

473
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Speaker 1: hard it was to make it. So it just shows

474
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Speaker 1: you what kind of career Too had. Let's take a

475
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Speaker 1: quick break and we will be back with the next

476
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Speaker 1: guy on the list. Back on NFL Daily Best twenty

477
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: five players of the last twenty five years. And yeah,

478
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: as we go through some of these players, I will

479
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: be mentioning who didn't get off the list.

480
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: I almost feel bad not saying it.

481
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: It's like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase, they are building

482
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: up that resume, but they're getting cut off basically because

483
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: they haven't been in the NFL long enough.

484
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Speaker 3: Unlike our next.

485
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Speaker 4: Guy, Number twenty three, TJ WAT.

486
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 6: Sixty yards of offense for the Falcons since halftime Man.

487
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 4: Cousins is sacked.

488
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 6: Guess who TJ WAT put in an exclamation on this one.

489
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Speaker 5: Big rush Hey kJ On has that suck.

490
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 4: Unbelievable. TJ W comes around and.

491
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: Makes a sack.

492
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: Favorite pass rushler to watch. I mean, I have to say, TJ.

493
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 4: What shoe string sick?

494
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 3: From the master himself.

495
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 4: TJ continues to run rough shot woop, Newton gets hit,

496
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: ball is out. That's it in trouble periods.

497
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: TJ rock.

498
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 6: He is now the Steelers franchise all time leader in

499
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 6: that category.

500
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Speaker 1: The single most surprising player to make this list for

501
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: me in terms of I did not expect to be

502
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: putting him on when I started the list. He was

503
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: not even that close until I really started thinking about

504
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: the resume. Defensive Player of the Year Top four in

505
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: the voting four straight years, the last four years, four

506
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: all pros. The most sacks since he's entered the league,

507
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: the most forced fumbles by far since he's entered the league,

508
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: the most tackles for loss since he's entered the league,

509
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: the most sacks in his first eight seasons. Other than

510
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: Reggie White and DeMarcus where single season sack record led

511
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: the league in sacks three times, and I just thought about, like,

512
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? I'm talking about players

513
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: at the very top of their game. Even though I

514
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: feel a little lower than consensus on TJ. Watt in general,

515
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: I realize, like, not only is he a first ballot

516
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, but he deserves to make this list.

517
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Speaker 3: What do you think?

518
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of sneaks up on you how dominant

519
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: the numbers are. And we know, oh well, whenever we

520
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: do like we're the best three pass rushers in the NFL,

521
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: it's always TG Watt, Mouse Garrett and Blank Michael Parsons

522
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: right now, right, But I think you don't think of

523
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: him as like historically dominant until you look at what

524
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: you just described, the idea of that he has led

525
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: the NFL three times in sacks, twice enforced fumbles, that

526
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: he's reached such insane sack totals. It's kind of one

527
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: those things where you really have to take a step

528
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: back and realize how incredibly dominant he's been, which is

529
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Speaker 2: I think I'll throw something out. Do you feel like

530
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: maybe not he's that he's overlooked, But it seems so unbelievable.

531
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: JJ Watt could have a brother just right, like the

532
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: JJ Watt who his peaks were so high that his

533
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: brother came in and you were and you were like, uh,

534
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Speaker 2: you know, it's JJ Wat's brother. That he became what

535
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: he came seems so unlikely. Greg, maybe that plays into

536
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: it a little bit.

537
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: I think so. I mean, you know, who agrees with

538
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: you the entire NFL?

539
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: How did this guy go thirtieth in the draft, Because

540
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: for so many years all anyone said about JJ Watt was.

541
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: Like, how did he fall so far in the draft?

542
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: I know he was like he's a you know, walk

543
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: on and he had a different sort of career. He's

544
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: like a late bloomer at Wisconsin. But it's like he's

545
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: two ninety five and the biggest, freakiest athlete with like

546
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: the best motor you've ever seen, and then had you know,

547
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Fame season. Obviously he is

548
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: going to be on this list coming up. And then

549
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: the exact same thing happened mean with d J Watt.

550
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: Just knowing like what happened with JJ and somehow that

551
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: it's like in them they we used the phrase like

552
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: they're built different. Like, so Watts apparently really are built different.

553
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: How did TJ. Watt get to thirtieth and then be

554
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: this big of a seal for the Steelers of all teams?

555
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess, you know, genetics and also

556
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: just work ethic and technique. I mean, that's the thing

557
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: about TJ. Watt similar to JJ. But to focus on

558
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: TJ for a second, just such a complete player. I

559
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: think that's if you know, if I had to summarize

560
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: him in one word, it would be complete. He's so

561
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: good at everything. He's so good. Obviously, he is very

562
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: technically refined and fun to watch pass rusher, and that

563
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: is something he kind of has only gotten better at

564
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: over time as he's you know, added more to his repertoire.

565
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: He wins with speed, he wins with power. He wins

566
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: with speed to power. He's got great inside moves, like

567
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: he's just really really really smart. He's seen it all

568
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: and then he finishes, which is how you get the

569
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: high sack totals. But he's also a fantastic run defender

570
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: that matters if we're talking about like who are the

571
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: greatest of their generation. He's good in coverage, he's a

572
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: good moments coverage, he's read the quarterback, and he's just

573
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: he's just really really complete Greg. And I think when

574
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: you if you were able to hit that level, some

575
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: of it is nurture. Not to say that j Watt

576
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: and TG Wat's mom is over this, but like, clearly

577
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 2: these guys love ball and love studying ball, and that

578
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: has factored in.

579
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: They've got that dog at him and they're always you're

580
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: always looking for intangibles, and it's tough to really evaluate that.

581
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: But I really do think like the fact that he

582
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: was jj Watt's brothers should have gotten him drafted higher

583
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: because because there is clearly something about how you can

584
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: improve at the NFL level that that they haven't helped

585
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: to master.

586
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: And yeah, it is. It is the big plays.

587
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: It is the knack over and over and over to

588
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: have game winning plays like it. Once it happens like

589
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: a few times, you're almost like, is this a little

590
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: fluky that he's getting all these force fumble Like, like

591
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: I said, he leads the NFL and forced fumbles, Uh,

592
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: since he entered the league. Is it a little fluky

593
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: that like his best plays keep coming at the end

594
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: of these games. It's like at a certain point you

595
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: have to just accept like, no, that that is not fluky,

596
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: just just you know, thinking a few He had a

597
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: game against the Ravens where he called game on Lamar

598
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Jackson on a fourth down sack. He had the game

599
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: last year against the Falcons where he essentially called game

600
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: against then one. Right, Yeah, he essentially called game on

601
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: our boy Gino Smith in that Sunday night.

602
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: I remember that.

603
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has like a four sack game, you know,

604
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: he he's just had like when he goes big, he

605
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: goes so big and at the biggest moments, And I

606
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: do think that's that's how you get defined as like

607
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: one of the greatest of the greats.

608
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like anyone on this list has to

609
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: have taken over a game or taken a game games, right,

610
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: but bo, you know, both the all of the guys

611
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: we've talked about thus far, you would put in that category.

612
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: And with a pass rusher, that's like a really high

613
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: bar because it doesn't happen that often. And there's probably

614
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: like three or four guys in the league right now

615
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: where you can say I can point to a few

616
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: times where that's happened, And yeah, certainly it's been TJ.

617
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: Wild.

618
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: There's there's something cool too about that he is like

619
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: the ed Rusher of the Pittsburgh Steelers, that he's continuing

620
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: that you know, tradition for that team.

621
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Speaker 3: But he's the next and the greatest.

622
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Speaker 1: And the reason why he wasn't high on my list

623
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: at first is I think I was a little biased

624
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: towards the players.

625
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: That are in the middle of their prime.

626
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned before that like Justin Jefferson and Chase just

627
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: felt like just sure, if they had one or two

628
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: more years, like they really might make it. But seeing

629
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Speaker 1: you know, Wat's been in the league by now eight years,

630
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: and so why I started comparing them and you compare

631
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: his resume and here's some other guys. I'm just curious

632
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: your thoughts, like like a Kaleis Campbell, for instance, who

633
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: was All Proof Football Reference All twenty tens team, who

634
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: had a second place at a Defensive Player of the Year.

635
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: Jared Allen who's in the Hall of Fame.

636
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Jason Taylor, who you know was a second team All

637
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: two thousands is in the Hall of Fame. But I

638
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: don't think, actually, when I looked at it, that his

639
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: highest of highs were as high as t J.

640
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 3: Watt.

641
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney was probably my toughest omission where his peak

642
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: maybe wasn't quite as long, but he was such a

643
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: good player. But those guys, like, none of them had

644
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: a defensive player of the year like top four type

645
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: of run that that TJ.

646
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: Watt had.

647
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can probably. I mean TJ. Wat's

648
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: been like top one to three for.

649
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: Four years.

650
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least.

651
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: In some other years as well, where he wasn't that. Yeah.

652
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of the guys you mentioned I would put

653
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: over him, So I think that's fair. I am curious

654
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Speaker 2: now to see how high that another guy who i'd talked, well, yeah,

655
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want you to spoiler.

656
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh it's okay, it's good. It's a good tease for

657
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: for the rest of us. Speaking of let's talk about

658
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: a player that I know you will enjoy discussing number.

659
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: Twenty two, Walter Jones.

660
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 5: Let's be anything on the way head with me. I

661
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: want you to come in, you know, and try to

662
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 5: attack him. It's an honor to join Steve Larger at

663
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: quarter as Kennedy, I'm going to hear to rush up.

664
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: A feeling that tell me what w.

665
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 4: Christer Jones get the crown one at.

666
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 5: The third player to represent the Sea.

667
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: Yak fronchise, He's steal the Bess.

668
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Walton is still to Bess and the twelfth man.

669
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Speaker 6: What a great push by that left side of the

670
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Speaker 6: Sea Yawks offensive line.

671
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Speaker 1: Oh, Walter Jones, big Walt, he could be even higher

672
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: on the list, Mina, but I wanted to hear you

673
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: talk about your Seahawks. I mean, you were very young

674
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: when Walter Jones was at his speaking yeah, for our

675
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: for our audio listeners.

676
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Speaker 3: For instance.

677
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: If you're young, you heard that clip, h It was

678
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware asking tell me where Walter Jones is, so

679
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: that there's like game recognized game, A Hall of Fame player,

680
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: just absolutely fearful.

681
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: And worried about what Walter Jones was gonna do.

682
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: I think I was drafted when I was in maybe

683
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: fifth or sixth grade, so it wasn't that young. Well,

684
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: but then I would say he peaked for so long,

685
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: so it was, you know, he My point is that

686
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: I was in high school when he was great. I

687
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: was the beginning of college. He was still. I mean,

688
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: he hit something very rare. Although I guess while and Kelsey.

689
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: Interesting continuity here, one player, one team that great, you're

690
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: certainly more likely to stay on one team to where

691
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: to even begin. I was waiting for the block. It

692
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have a cool nickname, but the two thousand and

693
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: five NFC Championship game.

694
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Speaker 1: Talk about it. Play it, we got it, but you

695
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: could talk over it, So tell us about.

696
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: It a little bit.

697
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: It's against the Panthers NFC Championship two thousand and five.

698
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: I would contend, Yeah, there we go. Oh my god,

699
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: Mike Rucker rip. That man had a family one of

700
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: the single most dominant run blocks by left tackle in

701
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 2: the history of the sport right there, and he's taken him.

702
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: For a ride and he said as much too. He

703
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I saw an interview with him that he did. And

704
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: that's a play going to the weak side where yeah,

705
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: the defense man is on his outside shoulder, so he

706
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: has to get to the inside and block a two

707
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety pounds man and he does it twenty

708
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: five yards down the field and it's part of one

709
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: of the best his feet. Sorry to no, please please

710
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: go on about what Big Waltz meant to you?

711
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that play, so again, like if you what what

712
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: was so remarkable about this and maybe this is if

713
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: we're talking about Walter Jones and what made him great,

714
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: because he was really good at everything. He's a man

715
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: that size shouldn't have feet that moved that quick, and

716
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: you can really see that on that play. Like sometimes

717
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: you know, when a guy's like block, it's just like

718
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: he's it's just power and he's just nasty and he's

719
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: just kind of like a snowplow, you know, moving the

720
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: guy along. That's not what Walter Jones looked like. Like

721
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: his feet looked like a tight end or something out there.

722
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: It makes no sense. And that was his calling card, Greg.

723
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: It was he was so light on his feet and

724
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: so unbelievably athletic at his size. I think he ran

725
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: like a four six forty famously. I think he played

726
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 2: a little tight end in college or maybe the beginning

727
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: of college or something, so he had that background. But

728
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: it was just very rare and very unusual, and it

729
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: wasn't even I mean, he was an unbelievable past protector.

730
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: He just never seemed to get taken by surprise or

731
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: rattled again. A lot of that had to do with

732
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: the lightness of his feet, you know, I'm sure you

733
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: guys have some stats on this. He gave up so

734
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: few sacks and so little pressure over the course of

735
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: so many years, it was unbelievable.

736
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so's it's fifty seven hundred plays in his career,

737
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: only twenty three sacks in that entire time, and nine

738
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: holding penalties in that entire time. Four first team All Pros,

739
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: two second teams. He is the only player that was

740
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fames and Pro Football References first

741
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: team for the All two thousands, So I thought that

742
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: was interesting. He's the only one from this era that

743
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: did make that NFL one hundred list, which which did

744
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: influence me. It was tough to pick him over Orlando Pace.

745
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: Part of it was the way that Jones's career worked out.

746
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: You mentioned his longevity.

747
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: Pace was incredible at the start of his career, like

748
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: right off the jump in like ninety seven through ninety nine,

749
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: and Jones was still peeking late into his career. So

750
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: all those All pros that I mentioned are actually in

751
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: the two thousands. He actually made it all the way

752
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: Mina to the PFF era and so these are like

753
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: the last three years of his career, and he was

754
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: the highest rated tackle in pass protection in those three

755
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: years for PFF, and those are the final three years

756
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: of his career.

757
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: That's his mid thirties. So I know, like, there's no

758
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: perfect way to mention here.

759
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: To evaluate offensive line, especially twenty years later. But when

760
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: you have like the numbers like that, and then you

761
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: have all of the people that were around at the

762
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: same time saying it, I found like a handful of

763
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: players that were like, that's not just the best tackle,

764
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Speaker 1: that's the best football player alive right now, or that's

765
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Speaker 1: the best football player I've ever seen. And enough of

766
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: those I was just like, well, he has to be

767
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: on the list, and he could be higher if I wanted.

768
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: Who knows with offensive linemen.

769
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: Pace was the same draft, right he was.

770
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Speaker 3: He was taken first and Jones yeah, went later.

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00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: He was well no, But crazily enough, he was the Seahawks'

772
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Speaker 2: second pick in that draft because they took Sean Springs fourth. Yeah,

773
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Speaker 2: and then they traded up with the Bucks for Walter,

774
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: which was just insane and a little Seahawks lowreer. A

775
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: lot of that had to do with because that was

776
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: when all Alan took over the team. This was before

777
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: the rookie contract era. And Paul Allen was rich enough

778
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: to afford to for his around rookies. Like a weird

779
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: quirk of NFL history where he gave the green light

780
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 2: to do it, because that was what I think right

781
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: after the sale.

782
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: Or great, great call, because I was wondering, like I

783
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: was looking at his contracts and stuff. It's just like

784
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: those first round contracts at the time. They were like

785
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: seven years long, but they were they were huge for

786
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Speaker 1: the time.

787
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right. They tried to trade up with

788
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: the Jets.

789
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: They thought they had to deal with the Jets at

790
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: six in the end, the Jets said no, like when

791
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: they were on the clock. But Bill Parcell's got a

792
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: small assist apparently said hey, we were talking trade with

793
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: the Bucks. I don't think they're going to want to

794
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: sit there. You should call the Bucks. They call the

795
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: Bucks and they make history taking Walter Jones.

796
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: The contracts too, are another funny part of Walter Jones's career.

797
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: Who was the torreous for just not showing up to

798
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: camp again. This is all that you learn a lot

799
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 2: about NFL contract and CBA history through just reading about

800
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: Walter Jones. But every year he would just hold out

801
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: and he would train on his own, pushing like SUVs

802
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: up them and then just show up seth Wickershiam did

803
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: a great story about a USP in the magazine like

804
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. By the way, Uh anyways, he I

805
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: feel like Cortez Kennedy before him, maybe was the last

806
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: great Seahawks, but he really defined Seahawks football for an

807
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: extraordinarily long amount of time.

808
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: I loved hearing some old clips I found at like

810
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: John Madden talking about him and to be as recognized

811
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: as he was in like a pre internet era essentially

812
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: as just that dude, you have to just be that good.

813
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: And I did want to give a shout out to,

814
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: you know, his line mate Steve Hutchinson, who wasn't always there,

815
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: but once they got him in the trade that is

816
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: almost unquestionably the best left side of an offensive line

817
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: in NFL history. I started covering the NFL for Roadal

818
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: World in three and I would say that Seahawks offensive

819
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: line not that people talk about all time great offensive lines,

820
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: but maybe they get forgotten a little bit to me,

821
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: because to me, they would be right near the top

822
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys of the mid twenty tens of the

823
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: best offensive lines you know that I've you know, had

824
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: a privilege to cover and having Jones and Hutchinson next

825
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: to each other for a chunk of their primes is

826
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: pretty crazy.

827
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: We've been punished for it with twenty years in battle

828
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: place since then.

829
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Speaker 3: That's so true.

830
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, shout out to Steve Fudgets it did not

831
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: make the list, but had to get Jones on there.

832
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: Ravens fans, if you're curious, Jonathan Ogden, you know only

833
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: five years of his prime were in the two thousands,

834
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: so he like we missed a lot of the very

835
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: best of his career some other really great tackles over

836
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: the years. Lane Johnson did not make it for me.

837
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: Jason Peters did not make it for me. Tyron Smith,

838
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: who man, it's close at his very very best is

839
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to like ar you against him. But we

840
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: can only have so many offensive linemen.

841
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: We have a handful. We have a few more to go.

842
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: Let's go to our next guy and our last guy

843
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: will talk about with you.

844
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Speaker 8: Mina number twenty one, Lamar Jackson, it's a second down

845
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 8: and free Jackson takes it himself.

846
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 5: Look at him back and forth. Oh it broke his ankles.

847
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: Now he's gotten that turage. Damn, he's got a touchdown.

848
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 5: He is, who deny? Who want to play? Forty seven

849
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 5: yard touchdown run by the magical quarterback Lamar Jackson.

850
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 7: Wow, he's like Kobe Bryant. How you can't necessarily stop

851
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 7: Kobe Bryan. Kobe Bryant's gonna get his at some point

852
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 7: And that was a great analogy. Lamar's gonna get his

853
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 7: at some point. And we know that, and everybody knows that.

854
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: Everybody knows that buyers to the anz up touchdown on.

855
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: That tun Now I mingle with Vet, but he was

856
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Rema Eyes, so I'm right.

857
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: I'll say, all right, then I had to be twenty.

858
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson makes a list at twenty one, two MVPs

859
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: and a first team All Pro in the year twenty

860
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: twenty four, where he didn't win MVP but probably his

861
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: best season had led the yards per carry in terms

862
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: of the entire NFL four different time, third all time

863
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: if you're into quarterback rating, by the way, like if

864
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: you're just one of those old school people that like

865
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: quarterback rating and wins, I know wins are not a

866
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: quarterback stat mina, but he's third all time in like

867
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Speaker 1: winning percentage in quarterback fascorating Yeah, kdr, Yeah, it's funny, yes, passerating.

868
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: It's funny to me that like he dominates those like

869
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: old school traditional stats too, so there's no way to

870
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: come at him.

871
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: The passerrating one is the one that blew my mind

872
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: this season because he came close to the Rogers passer

873
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: rating record, and passer rating, for those who don't know,

874
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: doesn't take into an account quarterback rushing, which is why

875
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: it's kind of a useless stat to be honest, because

876
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: quarterback rushing is such a big part of the modern

877
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: gamell QPR accounts for a point whatever we have to

878
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: get to it, but anyway, point is like the quarterback

879
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: who coming into this league. I don't want to overplay

880
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: the Bill Poleon thing, but it was questioned by everybody

881
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: whether or not he could be a pocket passer now

882
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: whether they just switch positions. Just came close to breaking

883
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: the Pesser rating record, Like I cannot stress enough. And

884
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: I was as much of a Lamar Jackson fan as

885
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: anyone in that draft Dominice, and I wrote long article

886
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: about him like staking our you know, planting our flag.

887
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: I did not think he would be this good. It

888
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: is unbelievable what he has accomplished and he's only twenty eight.

889
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way to say about really any prospect

890
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: coming in that year. He is going to be an

891
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: inner circle all time great and that's what he is.

892
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: And that's what I had to think about with this exercise,

893
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: Like I was like, has he played long enough in

894
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: the NFL?

895
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 3: It's been seven years?

896
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: Has he done enough to get on this list over

897
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: some really great quarterbacks? Because I didn't want to make

898
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: this just like an all quarterbacks list. Initially I had

899
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: him on like a little higher than I had him

900
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: completely off. And I settled here and just decided, like,

901
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: especially of this generation. You know Mahomes is coming up

902
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, but of this generation, he literally was the

903
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: best player in the league either three times or if

904
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: you want to split it, this last year, like two

905
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: and a half times. And he's the best running quarterback

906
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: ever that like goes without saying not just that he

907
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: had the best season of all time in terms of

908
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: rushing yards, but leading all the NFL including the running

909
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: backs and yards per carry four times, Like to me,

910
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: is so crazy, But what you realize pretty quickly, and

911
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I think about that week one game actually in his

912
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: first full season starting, it was twenty eighteen, right or

913
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, sorry, against Miami, and that game where he

914
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: is just throwing bombs down the field and he is

915
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: so good throwing over the middle of the field, and

916
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: that is the game where you kind of realize, oh,

917
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: his legs are going to set up so much with

918
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: this passing and he is such a good passer. And

919
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: that season, you know, his first full season as a starter,

920
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: he wins the MVP.

921
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

922
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: I think he's also a guy where the stats, as

923
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: unbelievably impressive as they are, and you know, we just

924
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: discussed all of them, still don't capture what he does

925
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: to defenses and what he does on a football field

926
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: and the way he I would say, more than any

927
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: other player I've watched, Clee Michael Vick. He has more

928
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: gravity as a dual threat, and I love watching the

929
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: Ravens on tape for this reason. I love the way

930
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: he pulls defenses on a string still and the opportunities

931
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: that creates for the run game and other players is

932
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: just unparalleled. He is also just the most electric like

933
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: dynamic runner, you know, I mean just his style, the

934
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: fact that he never appears to be moving at full speed.

935
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: Is crazy. And then, oh, by the way, he also has,

936
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: by the way, become the most accurate passer in the NFL,

937
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: because you know, I was always a believer in his

938
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: passing ability and his football IQ and whatnot, but he

939
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: was not the passor he is now earlier in his career.

940
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: And that's another thing I really have loved about watching

941
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: him and about his game. And this is the same

942
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: would apply to Josh Allen. He's gotten so much better, Greg,

943
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: and he's twenty eight, twenty eight. I mean he's both

944
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: him and Allen, by the way, not only have gotten better,

945
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: but mentally, I would put up there with anyone in

946
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: the league right now.

947
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: Right because when you think about that twenty eighteen season

948
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: or twenty nineteen season, twenty eighteen, by the way, sort

949
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: of underrated when he came in and immediately started winning

950
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: games for them and was like an immediate sensation and

951
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: helps get them to the playoffs and belonged right away.

952
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: But he definitely needed to develop, and he did that

953
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: offseason in terms of his passing, You're right that twenty

954
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: nineteen season, his running was absolutely setting up his passing

955
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: and his passing was better than everyone realized. Hey led

956
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: the league in passing touchdowns and QBR ESPNSQBR that year.

957
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: But now the way he can manipulate defendant defenders, how

958
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: he can anticipate, how he can throw over to the

959
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: middle of the field. You have that part of it,

960
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like everyone who ever watched a

961
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: running quarterback growing up, whether it was Randall Cunningham or

962
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Steve Young or even Dante Culpepper and just thought, like,

963
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: that's so cool. Like if one guy could put it

964
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: all together, like at the highest level, wouldn't that be

965
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: the coolest football ever? And that is Lamar Jackson. He's

966
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: done it. He is that guy.

967
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: So you are taking into account playoff accomplishments putting this

968
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: list together. How much are you dinging him for the

969
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: fact that he's never been to a Super Bowl? So

970
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: he's never won a conference championship game? I imagine you know none,

971
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: I mean like Mahome. You said Mahomes is on the list,

972
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: so it's not like there's anyone else in this regard.

973
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 6: But but.

974
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: You know, does that do you think there are people screaming,

975
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: how can you put a guy this high? I'm just

976
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: playing Devil's advocate here. Do you think that there are

977
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: people at home saying, like, well, he's never even won

978
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: a conference championship game, how can you put him this

979
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: high on a top twenty high list.

980
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: I just think the best way to evaluate a quarterback

981
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: is over the course of a regular season, and he's

982
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: done that so many times that it tells me that

983
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: he will have that playoff success at some point and

984
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: that I'm not that worried about it, like we I

985
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: saw it with Peyton Manning, who is one of the

986
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: greatest individual success stories of all time, and it took

987
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: a while for him to actually get it done in

988
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and it didn't change really who who I

989
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: think about him and think of all the times just

990
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: because of the order it happened that, like Aaron Rodgers

991
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: knocked on the door and didn't make it, you know,

992
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: or Drew Brees after winning that Super Bowl the one time,

993
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: like it took that long. So I don't want to

994
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: have to wait till he's thirty one or thirty two

995
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: to recognize Plus he's like he just he makes your

996
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: jaw drop.

997
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: Let's actually look at one of my favorite Lamar Jackson place.

998
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 5: Justice Hill who's the best likely emotion, He buckles of

999
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 5: my God, performs groups of them, doctrooms at home, pretends

1000
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 5: Hubbard how from a look a word and.

1001
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 4: Cots on touchdown, cots on touchdown then likely.

1002
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely amazing.

1003
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 5: How in the world did he keep it together and

1004
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 5: let him find the open receiver.

1005
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: I could just do an entire show on Kevin Harlan

1006
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: calls of Lamar Jackson touchdowns. I've almost regretted not having

1007
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: Harlot on this episode just so I can hear him

1008
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: react to that. But we'll have them on some calls.

1009
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: I love it. Next, not to really nerd out, but

1010
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: next gen jet stats does the you know, completion percentage,

1011
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: likelihood of throws and whether or not a quarterbacks he

1012
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: seeded those he's got to have the most like just

1013
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: preposterously low odds of completing passes, touchdowns, deep passes, and

1014
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: just pulling the rabbit out of his hat. Of any quarterback,

1015
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Mahomes, I guess would.

1016
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: Be above him.

1017
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know, though, I mean they're close. They

1018
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: both have, you know, all the best quarterbacks in the

1019
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: league right now, by the way, can lay us to that.

1020
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: But Lamar, it feels like he has to lead in

1021
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: this guy moments like that.

1022
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: That's worth something like we're talking about best, we're talking

1023
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: about greatest to me, this freaking guy, this guy he

1024
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: came to and Josh Allen. It took a little slightly

1025
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: later developing obviously came out a little later.

1026
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: Like he ushered in this new generation.

1027
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: It was we were a while between like great truly

1028
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: like all time quarterbacks. It was really like Andrew Luck

1029
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: was this one guy in the middle of this desert

1030
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: that we thought was gonna get there and then obviously

1031
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: retired early.

1032
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: But it was.

1033
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: Between these guys and we thought maybe that like the

1034
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: next great quarterback would would look like this, and he does.

1035
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: And I think his arm gets underrated. I mean you

1036
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: mentioned like the crazy plays. One play I watched, like

1037
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: watching this was a sixty two yard in the air

1038
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: like air yards opposite hash throw where.

1039
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: Like he's at the eight and he hits.

1040
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I think it was the Sean Jackson of all people

1041
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: in stride. Like he does have a hose, which you

1042
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: kind of forget about with everything else.

1043
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a really strong arm and he has

1044
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: a really unique arm talent. The game where him and

1045
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford just went toe to toe, not this year,

1046
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: but the previous year where they were just launching nukes

1047
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: all over the place. It was one of my favorit

1048
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: football games the last few years. I remember watching that

1049
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: and being like, these guys have a lot of common

1050
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: because they both not only have strong arms, and they're

1051
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: not only preposterous and have like arm arrogance, but they

1052
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 2: also are doing like side army, Like Lamar side arms

1053
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: it a lot. He's throwing off of like crazy platforms.

1054
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: He's doing really really special things just with his arm.

1055
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: I just had I just interviewed Darius lagh and now

1056
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: these in the AFC North. I asked him, are you

1057
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: more wary of playing Joe Burrow's Bengals or Lamar Jackson's Ravens.

1058
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: I thought he would say the Bengals because of Jamar

1059
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 2: Chasen t Higgins, right, but he was like, no, Lamar.

1060
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 2: And it wasn't a knock on Burrow, but he just said,

1061
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: there's just nothing more frustrating than having to defend defend

1062
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: two plays in one so often against the quarterback. And

1063
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: that's just what makes him special. It's like he gets

1064
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: an extra play like it's crazy. I mean, what he's

1065
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: able to do.

1066
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: For the first handful of years, and it was kind

1067
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: of back last year too. I thought the most unstoppable

1068
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: play in the league was when you know, they did

1069
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, a play action or RPO and he pulls

1070
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: the ball and he just takes eight yards to the side,

1071
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: Like for four years the defense was essentially giving him

1072
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: seven to eight yards just running to the sidelines. There

1073
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: are so many runs throughout his career where he never

1074
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: hits the ground. It's just him going out of bounds,

1075
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: him just like gliding out a bound.

1076
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah, the ability to avoid contact is I mean,

1077
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: knock I would is just the most unique runner that

1078
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's crazy watching him run. It just

1079
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: makes no sense.

1080
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: You're the best guest ever.

1081
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: Because you even brought up like people yelling at me

1082
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: about the playoffs. That's I would have just like completely

1083
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: ignored it, which I which.

1084
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: I know I shouldn't. I shouldn't because it was it take.

1085
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: I'm certainly used to the playoffs.

1086
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Speaker 3: It's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I think that the first couple of years he played

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00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: tight and he was a young player then, but that's

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Speaker 1: also like Mahomes came in and played his very best

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Speaker 1: like immediately in the playoffs. The last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: he's had great games in the playoffs, whether it's the

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Speaker 1: divisional round or last year in the championship game, like

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00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: doing everything he could, needing the drive and making it

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00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: happen and playing well. So that that also really the

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00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: last two years especially, and there were there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of year gap there. They weren't in the playoffs and

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00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: he didn't play twenty one and twenty two. So the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years also as part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why I feel like he's he's over that hurdle, and

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Speaker 1: I think he has played well in the playoffs. But yes,

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Speaker 1: this is more for the regular season. Sorry to the

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen fans out there, their guy is not going

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Speaker 1: to be on this list. I mean, I think that's fair, right,

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Speaker 1: It's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then.

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Speaker 3: Said you have such a bad spot.

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Speaker 2: You I know, I don't want to make a comment

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Speaker 2: on this. I think that after Lamar, well, I don't

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Speaker 2: know which how many.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks, there's five more. There's five more quarterbacks. And that's

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Speaker 1: the thing, like I was thinking about Lamar, let's say

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Speaker 1: versus a Drew Brees. Drew Brees is going to be

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Speaker 1: on this list, of course. Yeah, and when I think

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Speaker 1: about lamar At is very very peak and what he's

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00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: already accomplished, you could argue, I think that's as high

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Speaker 1: or higher even than a great player like Drew Brees.

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Speaker 3: So the highs are there. I had to not put

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Speaker 3: my our guy, Philip Rivers on.

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Speaker 1: I thought about doing it just to help his Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame case, but I don't think I have that

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Speaker 1: kind of way that it would really matter. Brett Favre

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Speaker 1: was an interesting one, by the way, because he won

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Speaker 1: his three MVPs in the in the nineties and then

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Speaker 1: you realize, like in the two thousands he made like

1125
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Speaker 1: two first team All Pros and four second teams, Like

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Speaker 1: he was an incredible player in that decade, even though

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Speaker 1: like he was even better the one before.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, you got your guy Russ.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of great quarterbacks that could have made

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Speaker 1: this list, Matt Ryan, like, but you can't make it

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Speaker 1: an all quarterbacks list. But I did want one of

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Speaker 1: these these current guys, at least at the back end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you chose the right one. Non Mahome's division.

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